Fantasmas en la prisión de Lecumberri || Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

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If we talk about ghosts, where
do you think it is the ideal place

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for you to think about various things, what are the reasons that lead a

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person, after death, to get
trapped in this plane of existence. A

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grudge anger, a desire for revenge
can be attachment to certain places or certain

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things. It can also be fear, fear, fear to follow their path,

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to migrate from this plane, because
perhaps beyond is eternal punishment. If

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he were a bad person, if
he did a lot of bad things after

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death, he' d be waiting
to go straight with him down there.

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The fear of that will not let
him go too, of course, unsolved

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things. The desire to say something
will tell you something. A witness ghost

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who wants to tell you what happened
to him. If you think so.

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For example, a cemetery is not
very good for several things. First,

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because if someone was very attached to
a certain person, it would be preferable

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to be there. If he'
s too scared, he' ll stay

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in a place where he feels safe. If you have anything to say about

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a thing that they did to you
terrible and want to report it and let

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you know, you probably do it
where that happened. The cemetery is where

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physical matter, organic matter, bodies, bones are deposited. There are certainly

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things, too, but it'
s not the best place. If you

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think about it, a place where
all this is combined could be a prison,

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yes, a prison and the more
brutal this prison has been. Of

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course, whatever is stuck there,
those people who have not been able to

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migrate will obviously be much more violent, because if we heed the theory of

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personality survival after death, which says
that the one who was a good soul

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migrates quickly, but the one who
was is angry is as heavy as the

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lead in the water and will be
trapped. Where they are there, why

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don' t you come with me. We are going to visit a prison

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tales of the dark side, Panta
strange beings event. It is inexplicable to

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see you follow stories that other minds
prefer to ignore. Okay well, we

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' re in Mexico City. You
know the giant monster with millions and millions

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of automobile inhabitants throughout the 24 hours
of the day, who are frantically circulating

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in all directions public transport, airplanes, helicopters, sirens and many people walking.

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But in this place, in this
place that right now you see this

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façade, that looks like a castle, a strange work, in the middle

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of Mexico City, in the middle
of Febril activity, this site, just

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crossing the door, it seems that
the world stopped inside, millions of documents,

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are archived, stories stories stories.
There' s the demon doll I

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told you about in another video.
It is the General Archive of the Nation

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of Mexico. Right now, there' s a lot of silence coming in.

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It' s a research lexium site. There scientists, humanist historians looking

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for secrets between the archives. But
the real secret of this place, to

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be so quiet, is that it
was a prison and as such, the

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walls are extraordinarily thick of stonestone mass. But in addition, its walls keep

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an enormous amount of stories that are
not only stories in the most traditional sense

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of the word, but stories in
the realm of the paranormal. And it

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is that this building that today holds
the general archive of the Nation of Mexico,

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in its time was known as the
Black Palace, not only because the

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stones had taken a black coloration,
but because of what was happening inside and

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its name the prison of Lecumberry.
This site began to function as a project

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to us at the end of the
19th century, you will see Mexico.

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Mexico at the time, at the
end of the 19th century, was a

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country with incredible differences. On the
one hand, there were powerful people,

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wealthy politicians, part of the clergy
and people who had great power, but

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there were a vast majority of people
in terrible conditions, in famine dying,

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others were taken almost as slaves to
work in mines, in forests. It

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was a totally unequal Mexico. It
was a more tremendous situation because in big

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cities, like Mexico City, the
differences had obviously generated a huge crime.

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The same thing happened on the roads. The same was true in coastal areas,

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where the assaults and the boats were
piracy. All this was the product

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of a totally unbalanced society. But
one must also point out something at that

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time, the ruler of Mexico was
Porfirio Díaz, a general who had made

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his way fighting. He was a
field general, a war general, and

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had even fought Benito Juárez himself,
the Benemeritus of the Americas, an illustrious

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figure. His proposal had been that
there was no re- election. I

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know what you' re saying,
this guy' s crazy. No.

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No, Porfirio Díaz, at the
time stood up in arms against re-

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election in one thousand eight hundred and
seventy- one. But then, when

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he was already in the presidential chair, he liked that, he liked the

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hats, the caravans, the applause
and decided to stay there brought progress.

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Yes, Porfirio Díaz became a hard- handed dictator, a man who established

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that hot fuse without trial for what
are criminals kill them look for a wall

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where and execute them and then put
someone to bury them or hang them or

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do something, but he didn'
t feel like taking care of people.

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However, by the 19th century,
towards the end of the century the growth

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of much more modern and human ideas, for example, from France, England,

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Europe to Mexico seemed great and progress
also began to come. First with

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the trains, then the big factories, with electric generators, then lighting the

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drain. Mexico City was always flooded. So he invented a channel to get

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the waters out and that started to
work well. He invented the psychiatric hospital,

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a psychiatric hospital, not only a
place to sell people with mental problems,

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but a psychiatric hospital with doctors,
specialists, and scholars. And the

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time came when it was very bad- looking that they were killing criminals everywhere.

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I couldn' t do this thing
that this guy stole to kill him

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right there. No. No,
no, no, no, that was

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very bad- looking in the eyes
of the world. We had to build

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a model prison. And then a
model prison was designed. It was a

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prison based on different designs. He
took some French European designs. Then he

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took the Philadelphia model from the United
States, silent cells with isolation to think

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about what was done, but also
with the social reintegration model, a prison

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in which it would not be a
school of crime. Prison as such would

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also have to be extraordinarily safe.
Keep in mind that Mexico was a very

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violent country, so the criminals who
would get there would probably have sheaves of

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criminals behind them who would try to
rescue them, so it would have to

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be extraordinarily safe. And as such. A building with large walls was designed,

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deep foundations based on piles to reach
the hard stratum, because in that

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place the grounds of the lecumberriy family
an old wealthy Spanish family. The land

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was agricultural and very soft. So
it was a tremendous engineering work. The

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result was a model prison designed in
a system known as a panoptic, where

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there is a central tower, from
which you can see certain branches, as

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if they were the rays of a
bicycle, which are the crunches, where

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the cells are. The guards patrol
the cells and the guards are guarded by

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the chief from the panoptic tower in
the center. From there you can see

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all the doors of the cells,
you can see your watchmen as they go

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and they' re making the rondines, you can see if anyone is out

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there making any misdeeds. It was
a great idea. But in addition,

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Lecumberry prison had twenty workshops, so
that the prisoners, upon entering, took

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some of these workshops. It was
not only a matter of locking them up

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for a little while and then going
out to steal, but not to prepare

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them to train them, teach them
to sa, read and write. They

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would also have games so that somehow
they could release anger. All this.

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There were box workshops there were also
chess games. A lot of things.

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The project as such was sincerely very
interesting. He also had the punishment zone.

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There was behind every cell in every
crunch. At the end of each

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crunch, a small cell that was
known as the apando. The apando was

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designed to make a totally nefarious place, a completely closed door, with a

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small peephole, without ventilation, without
sanitary service. It was a punishment cell

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and, moreover, with horrible conditions
because it would later be placed just below

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the pando, a sauna bath,
a steam bath that was a privilege that

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was paid for, but whose heat
went up and the poor prisoner who was

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there saw them fatal. Japando derives
ra from the Spanish word to pandar,

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terrorize, means to remove, guard, lock up, protect his own.

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So this place was a lockdown place, but there was another worse area.

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There was still an area that was
known as the South Tower. The South

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Tower wasn' t cells. It
was actually a sort of radiating a circle

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that had a turret in the middle
of surveillance and around it in the form

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of radios, there were small hallways
discovered totally latched, without any protection against

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the weather. These cells were especially
dedicated to the most violent and the most

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dangerous, the aim was to break
the will and then reinsert them into society.

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The idea might seem great, but, like many great ideas, the

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reality of Mexico at the beginning of
the 20th century was different. The prison

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was designed to house about eight hundred
men in custody, about one hundred forty

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women and about four hundred minors.
By nine hundred and eight, he had

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five thousand inmates. The prison had
been opened in nine hundred years. On

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September 29th of the year of nineteen
hundred, President General Don Porfirio Díaz,

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the dictator who at that time ruled, inaugurated with hype and sauce in the

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modern prison, but if he had
one thousand two hundred and three hundred prisoners,

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he would become a disgust with five
thousand people. Imagine you, even

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though you did some small enlargements and
adjustments, a small cell like this one

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that I am showing you, came
to house twenty prisoners and this derived from

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something very simple. Corruption. Mexico
had these tremendous social differences. The vast

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majority of the prisoners were people who
were classified as the third class of society.

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Just as it was the poor,
the miserable, those who lived crowded,

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those who assaulted thieves, murderers for
drunkards. The first man who was

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imprisoned there was because he killed a
guy he argued with while he was drunk,

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another because he killed his boss for
stealing money from him. Then they

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were people with tremendous stigma, but
in the city there were also very powerful

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people who continued to commit crimes just
like today. The point is that if

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that was not known and could be
maneuvered in some way within the realm of

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corruption. That person never stepped on
prison, but if the scandal was such

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that he compromised the authorities, that
high- ranking person would surely go to

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the Kumberry. But unlike the others, this could be clear by a rigorous

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weekly payment that you could have your
own cell, comfortable to be able to

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access the steam bath, have Lino
in your own cell prepared from the outside,

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special visits. Let' s call
them that way that they weren'

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t conjugal visits, but the entrance
of people from prostitution, etcetera. All

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this was paid for, but in
addition, the prison itself began to develop

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self- government, something that has
happened many times and very soon every crunch,

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every one of these radials where the
cells were, had its own government,

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a major, a sergeant, corporals
and soldiers. These took care of

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the collections. It didn' t
matter who you were or what you would

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have done. If you went in
there, you paid and if you didn

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' t pay, they beat you, they cut you, they put you

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in the pando, and if you
got heavy, they killed you. In

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addition, conditions deteriorated very quickly,
because Mexico entered the revolution in nineteen hundred

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and ten. The Mexican Revolution broke
out on November 20, nineteen hundred and

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ten. The people rise up against
Porfirio Diaz. So there came a time

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when there is no government, there
is no money. A provisional government arrived,

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Francisco and Dalecio Madero were murdered by
another president, and then there was

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chaos to the point where the prison
stayed with the guards, because they lived

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from it, they lived from what
they charged the prisoners, but without money

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from the government. The conditions there
must have been terrible. But since that

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was progressing for the forty over five
years, many of them, without having

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a conviction, without even having a
trial, without having anything, had to

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manage to get money and be able
to pay, to eat, to have

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a space where to stand. There
came a point at which many of the

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prisoners were said to be asleep and
not to fall down and go and beat

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another and to arm themselves, they
were tied up because the cells were too

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small and there was no room to
lie down, not even to sit down.

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In this place, of course,
there were constant deaths, the one

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who did not pay, the one
who rejoiced, the one who tried something

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that was not allowed. And each
cell belonged to a crunch, and each

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crunch had a certain specialty. There
was the crackle of the drug, the

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crackle of the thieves, the killers. There was one where there were people

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of homosexual preference. This crunch was
only for this type of people, for

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these people who at the time were
considered a crime and were imprisoned there.

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The result is that this crunch,
which was known as the crunchy j from

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which it derived an appellative, rude
and offensive that has been used for many

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years, derives from that, that
the crunchy destined for people of homosexual preference

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was the crunch j The problem is
that that became a business also because it

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could not have access to the female
area because there was an area that was

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women' s l there, the
situation was more complicated because the crunch I

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was only under the control of the
police themselves guarding the prison. They regent

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that as a form of prostitution,
even when there were children. The photograph

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I showed you right now shows one
of these cells where the women who are

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there have their little children with them
in the same cell, where everything is

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in the same place, the bathroom
and wash, hand, clothes. Obviously,

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the conditions were appalling, but in
the crunch the people who were going

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to give there were exploited by the
prisoners themselves. Anyone who refused could find

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death or much ease. So this
place, in the midst of pain,

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fear, despair, many of those
who arrived there said that they had come

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to the big one and it doesn' t come out of the big one.

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It wasn' t just going to
give to the tamboo, as they

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called it, but going to give
to the Great, from the great one

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doesn' t come out. This
was the prison, the mother of all

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the prisons and the one that was
most scary, because in there, if

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you didn' t pay, they
could kill you or hit you, exploit

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whatever it was. In the midst
of all this, emotions, sadness,

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the fact that there were also numerous
people who really never committed any crime for

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a simple reason, because there was
no investigation, there was one dead.

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Who killed him he' s going
inside, what evidence, what investigation?

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It was a time when Mexico was
in a total crisis. One of the

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governments was happening another. Suddenly there
was one warlord, suddenly there was another.

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After all this, the cristera war
of the 1930s comes upon us,

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where the government exercises absolute control over
the church and there is religious persecution and

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then the people rise up in arms
in certain regions of the country and reassemble

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the Balacera. That' s the
world where Cuperry' s stories were woven.

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The fact is that there, little
by little, the prison became obsolete.

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By one thousand nine hundred and fifty- six she had ceased to be

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the mother of all prisons and had
become pretrial detention for those who had not

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yet had a trial, who were
in the process, who were without a

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sentence. Other more modern prisons had
already been assigned to prisoners with confirmed sentences.

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But the stories were still there.
Years later, in nineteen hundred and

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seventy- six, fed up with
the stigma of this prison that had served

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as a prison for political prisoners,
for disappearances during the revolts of one thousand

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nine hundred and sixty- eight,
when the students took up protest activity and

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there were demonstrations shortly before the Mexico
Olympics sixty- eight and there was a

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massacre of students, Many of them
were taken by soldiers to lecumberri Many of

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them never left. So he had
a stigma in a thousand nine hundred and

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seventy- six decide to shut it
down and demolish it. However, a

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group of intellectuals, archaeologist historians considered
it inappropriate for a thousand nine hundred and

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eighty- two. After six years
of abandonment, the General Archive of the

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Nation becomes that beautiful building that you
now see and that is full of ghosts

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after this long introduction, but that
is worth knowing where this building came from.

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Many stories have been told over the
years. The most common, the

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most well- known are, for
example, Don Jacinto' s. Don

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Jacinto was called the deer, called
the deer by the horns. His wife

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put him in jail. Just as
at some point the lady was fed up

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with Don Jacinto, accused him of
something and sent him to the Cumberry so

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he wouldn' t keep making her
heavy and not get her into trouble.

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She promised to come see him every
Saturday and then she' d take him

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out later. He never came back. The fact is that years later,

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when it began to operate as a
general archive of the nation and began to

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see visitors closing the archive eight o' clock in the night, when there

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was no one else, the cleaning
work began. And that' s when

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janitors begin to realize very strange things. One of them reported that on one

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occasion, while making the toilet of
one of the creeks that are now called

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galleries, he noticed that there was
a man sitting on a bench near him,

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a man sitting in a strange suit, like gray, like red,

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especially sad. Sitting there, the
janitor, surprised by the presence of that

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individual, is approaching. He asks
you, hear and you where it comes

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from, how did that man get
in? He doesn' t answer immediately,

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but he asks you again,"
Hey, how did he get in?

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" And that conversation leads to the
fact that this man tells you that

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she has not come. Amalia hasn' t come, she hasn' t

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come to see me where Malia is, and that man tells her I don

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' t know, but how did
you get in? But he said he

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was coming to see me when the
janitor turns around to leave the broom and

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go to the front shed to look
for a guard. The moment he leaves

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the broom and his element the one
in the bucket turns and the man is

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gone. For years, several employees
of the General Archives of the Nation have

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reported this to Don Jacinto el Venado
Amalia. His wife never came back,

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never went to see him. Obviously, this man took his own life.

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Another one out there is the father
of a very strange family. It is

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a case that is also worth recalling
the protagonist who gave rise to the history

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of the castle of Purity, a
man who locked his family up for nineteen

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years, but there has been much
debate between whether it was true or not,

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whether it was falsely accused. No. The fact is that this man

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of Last Name Pérez went there to
give lecumberriy when he was caught, but

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he did not resist and ended up
taking his life. He hung himself in

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one of the cells. He claimed
that he had not done what his family

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said and felt betrayed. During the
last carreo he had yelled at one of

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the daughters," A nuno de
los hijos" shouted the cute little book,

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" Don' t lie" The
child was called a free thinker,

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a little book, don' t
lie. Many years after he took his

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own life in a thousand nine hundred
and seventy- two, there are those

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who say that as he passed by, suddenly he heard a little bit of

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freedom. For those who do not
know history, they do not understand what

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is happening. Another of the stories
that is found in the black charro,

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which claim that there is a man
dressed in black that wanders through the corridors,

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but when suddenly disappears, there is
a terrible lament that runs through the

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whole gallery from point to point and
that makes even vibrate the glass. But

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these are more or less recent stories. The story that impresses me the most.

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It' s a story we were
told many years ago. It'

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s a story about Grandpa. Grandpa
was a doctor. By nineteen hundred and

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thirty he had been received from the
medical career. He was a doctor.

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He didn' t want to leave, there was a lot of work away,

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but he wanted to be close to
what his wife would be in Mexico

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City. One good day, an
acquaintance of his who worked in Lecumberry prison,

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recommends him to go to work as
a doctor in the clinic, in

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the back and inside the prison complex. There were some impressive six- meter

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- high fences, but there was
the medical service. It was very simple.

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I had some kind of operating room
table, an area to get the

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sickest of them. Let' s
just say it was a little clinic.

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This man goes to work there and
his journey was, according to him,

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a full day, a day of
rest. Full day, day off.

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It was a very tiring day.
What was expected to come. Obviously it

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was coming. People who were ill
with dysantee came with diarrhea that were leaving

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because the food was disgusting. Many
of the prisoners did not have a plate,

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there were no dishes as such when
the ranch arrived, as they called

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it food. They were horrible pots
with something there that was served with some

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kind of spoon in whatever you had. Some kept a small can sold to

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them by the mobsters in exchange for
paying for having the right to eat that

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basofia, they gave them a cat, but those who could not afford it

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ate by putting their hands and swallowing
as if they were animals more seasoned.

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What they were doing was putting on
the shirt, making a little doubles so

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they could throw their spoon in there
and then eat it quickly. But keep

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in mind that the health conditions were
null and void. Twenty people in a

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cell where there was only one toilet
and a sink for everyone and obviously the

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vast majority did not work, except
in the luxury cells, where they paid

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for the privilege, the vast majority
the toilet did not serve and in the

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appando there was no. So the
health conditions were horrible. Then came the

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beaten, those who had not accepted
something, those who had not cooperated,

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those who had not paid and those
who had been stabbed were beaten, many

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of whom did not survive even when
this medical service arrived at the infirmary and

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were then taken to a hospital.
The vast majority did not survive. The

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wounds were with weapons of the most
varied and strange, some of them were

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truly cavernous. A piece of stone, a stick, an open can,

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served as a weapon, to kill
those who arrived with wounds for having been

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sexually attacked at some point. What
Dr. Solis remembered and talked as a

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strange anecdote was what began to happen
when boys arrived who seemed to be in

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shock. They weren' t beaten, they didn' t use drugs,

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they didn' t have to buy
them or any of this. They were

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not drugs, but they were in
shock, they did not react, they

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were spoken to, they did not
blink, they seemed absent they trembled,

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they were cold. Some of them
even had severe breathing problems. I asked

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her what had happened to them some
of them couldn' t talk, she

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would take a while and give them
some sedative, some little drug trafficking.

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Of the few out there were very
limited until they began to calm down and

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count. Don Jacinto' s story
is a love story. Certainly the Black

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Charro is a musical story, if
you want to see it. So because

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what these people lived in those years
was much worse. Being in the cell.

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Suddenly they began to feel something coming
up to them, but it was

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not the dead one, It was
something cold, icy, that hugged them,

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that touched them, but they did
not see it. Suddenly, in

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the middle of the night, the
screams of one of these prisoners were heard,

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alarmed by horrors, began to scream
in a frenzy while he was attacked

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by something that was not seen there, the other members of that horrified cell

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ran to cover with each other in
a corner or stuck against the door.

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The doors were not bars, they
were closed doors that had a hatch that

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the guard could open to look inside
if he wanted to throw it out.

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Most of the time they didn'
t because, as the mafias controlled the

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different crunches, what happened there stayed
when the door opened at dawn. Some

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of these boys were absent. Some
of the stories that Dr Solis remembered,

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may he rest in peace, were
above all one of the dangerous prisoners where

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the murderers were. He told me
that he thought it was incredible that this

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boy who had stabbed himself with other
gang members had killed three horrible things.

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Suddenly it came like this. The
attacks were mostly in the early morning.

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There was nowhere to run, there
was no hiding it was inside the cells.

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Others claimed that the attacks were in
the workshops, but the most disturbed

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were those of the pando. Yes, those who were going to give this

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punishment cell where they were sometimes locked
up for several days. There, there,

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in. What was there was the
devil. That' s how one

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of the inmates who came to the
infirmary described it. Totally absent. He

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was gone, he came with a
terrible heart rhythm, his eyes were totally

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open, his blood pressure was coming
and going everywhere, as if he had

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been given some kind of very strong
drug. However, as the night passed,

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it dawned and the man regained a
little the color of the story that

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he had been attacked in there by
something he could not see, There was

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no one alone, he had not
had to be locked up with another three

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or four, but had been sent
by only that boy recovered what had attacked

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him there, however, it was
not the first time and he would attack

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others who would not end up very
well. Some lost their mind. They

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just lost their mind. They didn' t come to their senses, they

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ended up talking crazy, and they
were leaving, they were going wrong.

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For a long time it would be
the effect of locking up the drug,

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but it is not. Something else
there and it' s got all the

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logic. One of the cases he
most remembered was that of a man,

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a man who had been imprisoned for
a matter of money. He wasn'

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t a criminal as such. He
was someone who had been accused of drinking

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something or embezzling something. The fact
is, I didn' t even have

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a trial or a conviction. He
went to one of the cells along with

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another three or four had been lucky. Someone had paid so he wouldn'

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t be in a 20- year- old cell. One of those nights

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was very cold. Obviously, there
were no blankets, there was no such

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thing. Everyone was protecting themselves with
what they could in the middle of that

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night. Suddenly he began to hear
that one of his cellmates started screaming horrifiedly

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one of the ones he had in
bed. The bed was nothing but a

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kind of concrete bed, without any
cover or anything, but it was a

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privilege to be able to lie down
there, at least they could stretch out

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and this one started screaming. But
as if he had something covering his face,

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when he joined in to see what
it was all about. Notice that

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the cellmate is moving like he'
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a rag or a pillow, something, but there' s no one.

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It' s like the guy'
s choking himself and groping and trying to

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do something, he gets up and
shakes him. Tells him what' s

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wrong with you. What' s
the matter with you? And that'

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s when he feels that it wraps
him, wraps him. It' s

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dark, but still dark. He
would enter through the window of every cell

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that was facing the outside, some
light would come in, and that'

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s when he realized that that thing
held him and he started to feel a

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cold, that he would freeze him, that he couldn' t breathe,

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that he couldn' t move,
that he would paralyze him. The cold

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leaves it in your middle. It
seems instant the guy who was lying down

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has already incorporated himself still as weeping, as nervous. He goes to the

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corner where the toilet is or do
looking for a little shelter. Another who

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was over there beats him and another, but the fraudster, as he called

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him, stands in the middle of
the cell with that which is holding him

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and prevents him from breathing while the
cold burns him, until he is finally

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released. He falls to the ground
hard at dawn when the doors open,

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he' s lying there unconscious.
When they ask what happened. Nobody says

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anything. It would be until days
later, when one of the companions,

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approaching around to ask how the friend
was following, would talk about what had

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happened and how it had happened.
Perhaps the part that impressed Dr Solises most

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when he was told that the subject
was not on the ground, but that

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what he had had raised him about
forty or fifty centimeters above the ground.

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The cells were three meters high,
if there was space, but that had

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raised it until that man had probably
got amorated or I don' t know,

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because the pressure had already fallen the
prisoner would come back to himself,

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it would talk a little about what
had happened to him, but it would

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not be the same again. The
stories that were woven there. They also

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involved the area of the south tower, the so- called Gate eight,

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where those prisoners were punishing those who
considered themselves the worst. They were going

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to be left out there in the
open and many of them were not coming

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back. It didn' t really
matter. Some were political enemies of the

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warlord on duty, so the goal
was not to recover anyone, but rather

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to leave them there and not to
be heard from again. In this place.

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Strange things still happen today. It
is said that at that place,

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from eight o' clock in the
night, the cats gather to maul.

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And yes, in nineteen hundred and
eighty- two, as part of the

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reconstruction and modernization program, cats were
taken. There was an impressive rat plague.

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When it becomes the general archive of
the nation. Apart from poison mousetraps

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and everything you want and send,
they took cats because of the rat plague.

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It makes sense, but they didn' t feed there. I didn

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' t have a sense that they
would go there religiously, at certain hours

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of the night, to this place, which was the number eight door that

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leads to the area where they took
the worst. So, while today we

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can talk about the story of the
ghost crying for a good love or that

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of a dark character who screams the
realities that even while in use in prison,

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he had enough stories to drive any
certain cells crazy. They knew they

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had that and they had to pay
for not going there. There was the

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cell, the cell of the caresses
called him in this cell of the people

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who entered, they felt caresses.
Yes, of course, there was no

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one who was suddenly caressing the prisoner
in the middle of the night felt fondles

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of erotic content. They were not
caresses like those of a mother to her

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child, but caresses of sexual content. Obviously, the prisoner, when he

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realized this and woke up, was
trying to get in the way of whoever

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was doing evil. But he didn' t used to be any of his

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partners. It is that in that
cell it was said that on one of

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those occasions when the services of one
of those who came from the cell of

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the crunch were hired, the client
passed a little bit and ended up cutting

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his neck and he is still there, or at least he was still there

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he n o s on Llis would
not last long in prison, very soon

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disgusted with what he saw, of
the corruption, of the lack of medicines,

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of the lack, of the inability
to help anyone and the lack of

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interest. If someone got hurt by
a stabbing, by a stab wound in

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what they told an ambulance, yesterday
transferred to a hospital, he was dead.

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Even when the doctor ran to ask
for help, even when they asked,

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there was nothing to do, there
was no interest. The one who

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entered the big one was lost as
simple as that. The ghosts for those

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who have gone are still there today, surely they will have felt that.

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Recently, an acquaintance of ours was
doing research on the file and just entering

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it. First you feel that there
is someone with you even though there is

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no one who lived the horror of
Lecumberry prison. Many of them may still

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be there and now I' m
allowed to. Let' s send some

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greetings and congratulations to forget about the
horrors of Ecumberry. Let us begin by

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sending a very cordial greeting to Elder
Jesús Sánchez Escobar, who is in Comitán,

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Chiapas, and is celebrating the tenth
of September. For Edgar from Galaxy

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Diamant. He' s on September
10th. Ricardo Montelongo, our friend over

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there in Australia, in those remote
regions, is on September 11. We

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send a strong hug to Ricardo and
a very cordial greeting to his wife.

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For Eduardo Batasuna, he turns September
15, but we better congratulate him at

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once Samaria Lopez greets and congratulates his
grandfather, Carlos Cortés in Colombia. He

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' s on September 13th and he' s a follower of the program.

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Thank you very much, Daniela Lederer. She' s turning eighteen. But

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we are moving forward slowly and once
and for all we send you an early

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congratulations. We would like to thank
minor Covers, who has given us a

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donation through the hearts of the videos
called super Fenxs, and for our otivo

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friend, who has also supported us. We would also like to congratulate Lilia

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Rodriguez. Lilia Rodríguez fulfilled yesterday,
September 7, but we took advantage and

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sent her congratulations, even a little
late for Mary, who already had her

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birthday. But let' s congratulate
her Elder Jesús Sánchez Escobar, which is

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September 10. We had already congratulated
him, but we congratulate him again and

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well, we have a very large
list of greetings for Gustavo Vera from New

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Jersey. Say hello to his dad
Rubén and his mom Lilia, They'

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re in Atlisco, Puebla. Many
greetings for there conceptions Pitia and her husband

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Felipe Cuellar, in Ciudad Valles,
in San Luis Potosí, a very beautiful

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place. By the way, Elena
and Lorenzo, who listen to us while

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working at home on the island of
Cozumel, the trulyÁngeles Cuevas paradise and

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their ninety- four- year-
old mom, who are in Chihuahua,

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in northern Mexico, the big state
of Mexico. For Tati bel who received

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his grandson, Oliver. Oliver was
born on August 28. So Tati Vela

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must be crazy to taste. Many
congratulations to everyone at home. Tativel Juan

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Lun Hernández greets his son Daniel,
whom he cannot see because of the pandemic,

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but both are followers. We sent
a hug to both of you.

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It' s a good thing you' re with us and this is a

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way to bring the family together.
Olga Macías and César Valdés, who see

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us together, Guadalupe and Cristóbal,
who are in Murcia, in Spain,

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and also see us together. A
hug to those territories. Charlie Andrea,

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Charlie Andrea, greets her daughter Abril
Sofia, who will be eight years old.

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We send him a hug and invite
him to see white flag stories.

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It is a little more suitable to
see what accounts of the dark side Ricky

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Baez, who is a drummer and
is in Buenos Aires, we send a

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greeting and a strong hug to Buenos
Aires and well, thank you very much

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to all of you for having accompanied
us tonight good night and rest in peace

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in order to allow us to leave