Casos de reencarnación || Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

0:04 R r or I I S. S. S. S. N.

1:55 Stories from the dark side. Lack of ceres, strangers, events, is inexplicable, diversity stories that other minds prefer to ignore. You know who you are. Actually, you know who he is. We usually think we' re who we are, period. However, it is us, our environment, our past and perhaps something else. When I say maybe something else, I don' t mean what our grandparents were, but what, in theory, we ourselves could have been before we were born. In general, the churches and religious beliefs of the world are divided into two large groups. Those who believe that there is a possibility to reincarnate in any of its variants, from metempsychosis, which considers returning even in plant forms, inanimate, etcetera.

3:19 Reincarnation in its purest sense, where one returns and occupies another human body. Reincarnation, as mentioned by the vagabond, where one can return in different animals and living beings depending on one' s own history. And, of course, non- reincarnationist beliefs, those that hold that there is only one journey and it is this and that then there can also come a period considered as eternal rest. Therefore, there are these two versions very found, but what can be said about it. One thing is what has been concluded in the different beliefs, in which mechanisms are analyzed and postulated, and another would be the cases that give us indications in this regard. It is a very interesting part, because for many years, some people have been gathering information about episodes in which people seem to remember past lives. Why don' t we all remember them. Why don' t we all have these strange experiences. Well, according to some of the most entrenched beliefs in that sense, when a person dies, there is a time when he retains all his identity, his

4:55 memories, his traumas, his fears. But, as he spends some time in a sort of cleansing, he ends up getting rid of all that and remaining only as the pure spiritual essence, having learned the message, having learned what he had to learn. He is able to reoccupy a body and relive, things he needs to learn for his spiritual growth and reach a final level at which he will no longer have to return. The time that passes between the death of the person and his reincarnation will depend on many things, but in general, the process of returning to a human body includes the loss of memory of those events that only remain at the level of the spiritual essence, at the level of that pure essence, where what was learned does not have to do with memory, but with experiences, something a little more complicated than it seems, but in short, that is the basic idea. A person dies, passes through a period in which he assimilates all those events lived and then comes the return with the complete loss of memory or not. And that ' s where these cases that I' m talking about and of course, there are some that are relatively recent compared to cases that occurred at the end

6:29 of the 19th century. Or over there are some cases that are really very recent and that, by the way, are quite interesting. Let me introduce you to the first one. First of all, I' m going to explain a couple of things. You' ve heard of an aircraft carrier. An aircraft carrier is a ship, a huge ship carrying planes. It' s a warship. The planes he' s carrying are war planes. An aircraft carrier has the function of making those planes to combat sites. They take off vainly in their misdeeds, that way they return and rest on the ship.

7:11 During World War II, the use of the aircraft carrier became a primary practice. For both Japan and the Americans, aircraft carriers became an indispensable tool. Not Germany, but the British did, and this led to the construction of these huge ships. Probably some of the largest ships ever built were aircraft carriers, not the heaviest ones, but the biggest ones, and these were extraordinarily powerful, with many planes both Japanese and American, and a great firing power. But, obviously, as the war progressed, it was also necessary to do some that turned out to be something like the family' s economics.

8:01 They were called scort carriers. They were smaller, very agile, much lighter in other respects, with fewer planes and were built faster, so many of these were started to be built. Unlike large aircraft carriers such as the Lexington, the Ex the York Down, which were very emblematic ships and from which many memories are kept, the small aircraft carriers, these scort carriers really passed without pity or glory. Many of them were built about a thousand nine hundred and forty- four, so when the end of the war came, they had had some encounters, but it was no big deal. One of those aircraft carriers, known as escort or escort carriers, pocket carriers, was the USS Nathoma Bay, named after a small bay in Alaska. This ship was not particularly spectacular. It hadn' t been built to last a long time It wasn' t very tough on a fast boat. It had been built quickly to replace some of the so many who had been lost in the war. He began sailing in nineteen hundred and forty- four, that is, already towards the end and his theatre of operations was on the stage of Pacific War. There he participated in the recovery of the Marshall Islands, in the recovery of the Solomon Islands and also participated in some major battles, such

9:37 as I wu Jima, where his planes bombed for a long time. This particular ship, the USS nahm Bay, had two main variants of aircraft. Since it was very small slowly it could not carry large planes, so it carried a particular model that was known as the f DOS wild Cat, a one- place bomber house relatively small aircraft. He also carried torpedo launchers that took off his deck. It was the two variants the Natoma Bay civil action did have some incidents. In fact, even a plane. Kamikase crashed into the deck, but survived very well. During the Battle of Gojima he only lost one plane. Unlike other clashes where many U S aircraft ended up at sea. In that battle of iwo Jima, in Toma Bay he only lost one plane, one small plane. His pilot was a 21- year- old from Pennsylvania. A very nice guy, James Houston. James Houston Jr, twenty- one years old, very young, had begun to fly at the age of nineteen when the war began and he enlisted. He was a marine pilot and had stood out for being a rather bold and very good pilot, but also a very nice great companion. He was a short man.

11:09 He was actually quite short, so many of his companions would jociously call him Littleman, the little man. And there are even those who claim that his plane had drawn a little man, but he found death. There, not exactly did Wujima finish bombing there. When they returned the afternoon, they found a group of boats in Chichi Hima Bay near Ujima. These Japanese ships were preparing for a discharge of materials and sending reinforcement troops to the garrison of Guajima and were surprised by the detachment of planes sent from the Natoma Bey and among those pilots was James Houston second, James Houston Jr. The maneuvers began and were launched at the time. The U S planes began to cannon the ships that were there and to launch everything they had. But the ships also had what to respond to, and one of those munitions impacted the engine of James ' plane, blowing it into flames, wrapping the entire plane in flames and quickly, rushing into the sea, colliding head- on into the water and sinking quickly. James Houston Junior was one of so many dead in that war.

12:33 Another pilot who missed the people who flew on that mission. Arriving at the aircraft carrier, he wrote a report locating the exact point where the plane crashed and giving the news that he had died. A few days later, James' family received an emotional letter from me just like millions of letters that had been sent, received a flag, some belongings that were removed from their locker on the boat, a little hat and news that he had died in action and his body had received the burial of the sea. Therefore, they would not receive a coffin and would have nothing else. James Houston Jr.

13:18 It was lost in an innumerable list of people killed in a brutal war, a terrible war. His body sank with his plane in a distant bay, far from Pennsylvania, far from home away from his people. A young man with a huge future ended his days there and of course he ended them together with hundreds of Japanese who burned with all their ships in that same bay and who were all anonymous. It was a war in which the great generals became famous the great speeches of a President, but the foot soldiers, those below, no one remembers them and the name of James Houston Junior appears virtually nowhere, except in the memory of his close family. Perhaps some flight mate, perhaps some acquaintance of the ship who remembered the memory of this leader of this small man was lost forever, just like his plane, like the Japanese who sank in that bay of Chichi Hima, that evening of one thousand nine hundred forty- four, at least for some time and why I tell him that for some time he waits a moment, time passes. Of course, people are forgetting that. The memory of human beings is quite selective and with the coming and going of life, things are happening. And it is nine hundred

14:52 and ninety- eight years since the end of World War II. Life goes on. There' s already been other things. There was Vietnam Korea. In fact, the Natoma Bey was such an unimportant ship that, after the Second World War, it served a small amount out there, as a school ship, they sent it to the Korean War, but did not do any mission. It just broke down and they returned it and by nine hundred and sixty they sold it as scrap, so no. By nine hundred and ninety - eight, practically no one remembered that ship. It was written down in some book and eventually some war veterans who had taken part in that ship would gather in a location near Texas, where there was a kind of veterans' club, and sometimes the veterans of the Natoma would go there. Otherwise, it had been lost in time. But I' m telling you, it ' s a thousand nine hundred and ninety- eight, and suddenly a baby is born Oh. Yeah, he' s a beautiful kid. The couple, the parents are members of a rather hermetic religious community. In fact, the couple are, as it were, unusual Christians. At the same time, very fervent of their Christian beliefs. Nothing further than any reincarnationist idea,

16:27 or any of that, let' s leave it there. The little one, when he is born, is a child and everyone celebrates him the grandfather, the grandmother to the uncles, is the first of the family and is very nice and knows how they call him James, a good name like any other name. The little one is developing well. Mom and Dad delighted with the life of seeing him is a very nice chubby boy. Dad travels constantly for work, but when he' s home, he loves to play with his kid and make things for him. Grandpa was in the war. He ' s a veteran. So eventually he also talks about it at home from his experiences back in the war. So when the child is a year and a half, just over a year and a half, he' s a cute creature and they take him to the museum. Actually, the trip to the museum was not for the child, but for the grandfather. They were in tiled dallas and there' s a tremendous aeronautics museum. So they went that way, arriving at the museum. Well, a little boy planes hanging from the roof other planes. Here and there huge photos signs, with all the history of every plane that the child does not read because he does not know how to read is very chatty. From a small point of view, he speaks very well, so he talks to his dad about things and laughs a little bit, plays a little game, buys him a little something,

18:00 and when they suddenly arrive in the room where the planes of World War II are. The little boy gets very quiet seeing everywhere all of a sudden. He points here, points here, as asking Dad to take him to see something in particular of each of those planes that, by the way, are not at all showy the exhibition there are planes the vast majority gray or blue. They don' t have much to see. Some of them even smell a little ugly from the oil they spill. They smell like rust, they smell like old, because they are devices that are fifty years old or older. But they are struck by the attention that the child points out, but he does not look happy, he is rather impressed to see that good.

18:47 Finish the ride. Finish the ride and little James Leininger is the last name comes to the little time, which is out and well, the enchanted dad of life. He' s a first- time dad with his beautiful baby, he goes and buys him some cute little toy planes and the dad finds something very nice. A video. It' s a Blue Angels record. Don' t get confused, they' re not a cumbia group, they ' re not the blue angels of iztapalapa. Blue Angels is a group of acrobatic pilots from the United States Navy. Their planes are blue. That' s why they' re called that and it' s a group that' s many years old. So the dad goes and buys that fascinated. When they get home, dad puts on his video and the kid comes fast and is delighted to see that. Then he starts playing with his little planes and they realize something weird. The child does something he might even think of as ugly grabs his little planes and constantly does this as if he crashed them.

20:00 He plays like he smashes them against the table. Dad tells them no, my son. Planes fly, they don' t do this. They fly and the child doesn' t seem very convinced. It' s been a while, but don' t imagine any damage. It' s been weeks and the boy is delighted with the Blue Angels video. He constantly asks to put it on and sits down and sees it from point to point. It ' s not exactly a fun thing. They' re little planes that make pirouettes. They tell the story. The first planes of the Blue Angels appear and until the last ones of the nineties. So it' s not so attractive to be seeing him again and again, but the child is fascinated with that. Then they give you the desired toy is a small plane of pedals.

20:48 It' s one of those carts. Like metal. I' ve put a picture of little James riding in his toy. That fascinated one, but he goes on with the little plane and the mom comes and says no, son, don' t crash and the planes fly look like this and look like this and look at it. This one has a bomb. Oh, he' s scared of a bomb down here. You saw the boy grab the plane and tell Mom, that' s not a bomb, it ' s an extraction fuel tank and keep playing. Of course, we' re talking about a child who' s barely serving eighteen months, just over a year and a half. And he just explained to his mom that that ' s under the plane is not a bomb, but a fuel tank, exactly as he should have explained it to someone much older and knowledgeable. Mom gets surprised and wonders where the lightning came from. I do not lose sight that he is a young boy who does not go to school, who does not know how to read and whose only access to these topics is to go to a museum and watch his video of the Blues Angels. Well, there ' s something else. Yeah, yeah, there' s something else.

22:04 A book. Dad bought a book for Grandpa. Grandpa had been ex- combatant, he had been a veteran. So, well, he wants to give you a book from the Second War. And there' s something really ugly going on there, because that day dad' s flipping through his book to give it away. He' s looking at it to see if it ' s right, if it is. And the boy passes by and he looks at a photograph and upset, irritated, visibly upset, he leaves when the dad tells him what happened. I don' t want to, I don' t know what, I don' t know what and he' s going and he' s flirting and cheerful in his baby voice, because he' s a baby and he doesn' t want to see it in the picture. It wasn' t a horrifying photo, it wasn' t a photo where people were dead, no explosions, nothing. It was a photograph of the island of Hwshima. Before the battle of Gojima. You could see that mountain, the Suribachi, you could see all that, but the boy got awfully uncomfortable and the dad left kept all these memories and the mom had started to notice these weird experiences because it was very notorious. And then it came to that moment where things got more ugly. And when I say they got ugly, it' s because the kid started acting worse at night, he started having horrible nightmares where he screamed, complained and made very strange movements, like trying to rip something off with his hands. He was very asleep, but he kicked and moved frantically. The mother had to wake him

23:37 up, and not once but several times over the course of one night. When he woke up, the mother asked him what happened, why you dreamt ugly what happened, and the boy could not explain it some time ago, not only was kicking and pulling, but he started repeating a sentence. The phrase was pretty scary because it said it again in English, Airplane crash on Fire, little Man kant ket Out. The plane crashed on fire and Little Man can' t get out of the plane. Mom keeps thinking what the hell this kid put on TV. And when she talks to her husband, the husband tells her nothing, man, just his Blue Angers video. But there' s nothing like that. Mom asks him who Little Man is.

24:36 It' s you why, you dream, that' s not, no, nothing' s gonna happen to you. And if so, it' s me. But it' s not me. And so that begins and dreams become terrifying because he shouts this same phrase, repeats it again and again and again and gradually, that makes them nervous until suddenly a good day, they see him out there an interview of a person who talks about regressions and past lives. They don' t believe this much, but it takes them to get help, and the help tells them that they have to talk to the child and that it' s worth explaining that he' s safe, that everything was something that happened many years ago that doesn' t have to do now with his home, with his world, that his dad, his mom are here, there' s no plane or he' s assuming, of course, that the child saw something that he shouldn' t see and indeed, that calms him and can sleep well, although he still has these weird ideas, like that day they went to pick up the dad at the airport and little James receives him and after politely greeting him with a classic Daddy tells him the plane crashed burning. Dad scolds him and tells him why you ' re telling me that. But he' s a baby, he' s a kid who' s just gonna be two years old and again, they take him to the museum for s s s NS. A reason.

26:00 They have to go with Grandpa, with someone and go to the museum and repeat that and this time it is with much more force. The boy looks worried, he looks weird when they' re in the area of World War II planes. Look, look, touch, try to get closer, but it' s uncomfortable that with the passing of days, these strange games with the plane and they even get to damage the table, they do the scratches and things because he keeps insisting with this one good day, the dad asks him why it happens, what is all this that you say about it, and the kid tells him it is that I already died. I' m little Man, my plane crashed and I died. Dad gets surprised and tells him well, what it' s about, what it' s like, where you saw this, what your plane was like, what and the kid tells him about a boat. I took off and died. Then comes that where suddenly the mom says good, but that can' t be. You are, my son says yes, but before I was another person and the father asks him well what your boat was called, to which the boy answers Nathomma. It rings a bell. I just told you the story at first.

27:29 Dad still saw and says no. That can' t be. That sounds more like a Japanese boat. They were the ones who shot how they killed me the Japanese. It was too violent what this kid was counting for a two- year- old. But, in addition to this, in the following days the drawings began and the drawings were equally terrifying, because the drawings of this child represented essential planes shooting at something, burning planes and something that crashed and repeated it several times in many parts. He made these drawings in drawing books he doesn' t go to school yet, however, in drawing books he had at home, in leaflets in whatever was filled with those horrible drawings. The father finally decides to investigate and the first thing he investigates is whether or not there really existed a ship with that name and is surprised to find out that there was the boat I told him about at first.

28:37 Now there was much more research to be done, and Dad' s starting to get in touch. He is surprised by the strange finding and surprised by two or three more things that are strange to him. The first thing is that the boy says that he was piloting a corsair to hang a very peculiar plane of gull- like wing, what happened to World War II, and the boy claims or has died in a corsar. There must have been some photograph of this plane and the boy claimed that that was his plane, but the dad didn' t remember having it. Seen that plane in the museum. Anyway, he' s still investigating, and that' s when you get to know that there' s a group of veterans meeting in Dallas, one good day he decides to go talk to them. He asks them things, those people answer things like war, etcetera, etcetera, but he can ' t find much evidence. A few days later, he sits down again to see the book, the one who is going to give the grandfather and the child comes and sees the photograph of Mount Suribachi and Iwo Jima, and the father asks him why you are afraid and the child answers him because there he died good. It' s a very tense moment to the next meeting he attends with the veterans. He asked them if the ship had participated in the battle of Wajima, to which they replied that yes, that it had participated there. You ask them if they knew which pilots or how many pilots

30:15 had died in that battle and that they would have been part of the natoma ship and they did not remember very well because many years had passed. But there' s one of them who does remember well and tells them that there was only one dead person, James Houston Junior. The bafaxe is very, very surprised. Everything was very well packed, but they didn' t know very well how. So how that had been. A few days later, talking to the child, he asks if he remembers the name of any of his companions and the child responds Jack Jack Clarsen flew with me, continues with his world. Dad immediately writes to the veteran group asking if they knew Jack Larsen. The answer is no, they knew a Larson they knew Lara.

31:11 I don' t know what, but they didn' t know Larsen. When the next meeting comes, there comes another person who says he did, but doesn' t know where he is. The fact of the matter is that a rebamba is armed to try to locate a pilot named Jack Larsen, and it turns out that he did exist and he was alive and he had a great memory and a lot of files and he knows what in one of those files kept the report of the death of James Houston Jr. How the drawings were, the trajectory and how he died. And you know something, something that turned out to be even worse is that this man was flying next to James when his plane burst into flames and fell into the sea in a rush, losing himself in the same way that the boy played to crash his little plane in the water. Larsen had the full information. Everything was perfectly imponed. So they decided to contact the only survivor of that family, who was the sister and sister, even though they didn' t tell her exactly why they contacted her and went to the veterans and all this sent them some pictures and the boy started crying when he saw the photos, covered his face, did all sorts of things and began to describe his life as James Houston junior. No one knew him, no one knew him. Moreover, in

32:43 the group of veterans of nathma Bay they did not even remember him had flown very little time in that carrier had already died in battle. Even his companions didn' t remember well. Only Larsen, who was flying with him and who, by the way, was the one who called him Littnman. When asked if James Houston had a nickname or was called in a loving way, Larsen recognized that he was called little Man. He remembers what the boy said. The plane on fire crashes. Lederman can' t get out. This was enough to leave the nerves to any parent, because what they were seeing there was a war veteran, killed in a thousand and forty- four in his child' s body. Later, the sister confirmed much of what the child had said about his own life, about the drunk father, his toys, where he slept, how he slept, how many brothers, all the information. Year two thousand there was not all the information that is now on the Internet Even when there was already Internet, it was not so powerful.

33:49 And yet, this child, who cannot read, who cannot write, who has not gone to school, has described the life of a dead person fifty years ago. The parents start looking for answers and that' s how they get to a television station that offers them a program, a TV program, the kid goes to the dads go help them get information, they go look, they put together a whole file and they record the pilot who never gets on the air because the program wasn' t interesting enough and it was canceled. They didn' t pay them anything. History as such was not sold. There was a prize out there. Someone gave them a prize of$ 20, 000 for a letter the family wrote about all this. It was a writing prize and years later, already beyond two thousand nine, they wrote a book with the story of the child and it was there. The doubt was real. This particular case left an enormous amount of doubts and questions and affirmations, because soon after, when the little one would turn about five years old, the story was erased. Currently, this boy, who is probably twenty- five years old, has no memories as such, except what he has been told today. He' d rather stay anonymous. He prefers to remain discreet. He' s not a pilot. He didn' t study for a pilot, and he didn' t do that. He prefers to

35:19 lead a quiet life away from reflectors. He doesn' t want people asking him, you' re the child of the no, but there are several questions. This may happen. It' s not a fraud. There are two important things. Some here claim that all this was a fraud set up by the parents to sell a story and that they searched a lot to get something to attract attention. They claim that, among other things, there were errors and inaccuracies. For example, the boy said that he was a pilot of a corsair, when in reality either the Toma Bay nard did not use those planes. The corsairs f four or did not fly in aircraft carriers were too heavy and often tires exploded at the time of reaching the deck, were unstable and had no good visibility. So they weren' t there at first.

36:17 The ship on which James Houston Jr died carried wildcat planes and torpedoes, but the boy had said corsair. So the vast majority of critics claimed that everything was a fraud and that everything was armed. That' s why and for other inaccuracies, like the boy had said he died in Egoajima, when Houston died four kilometers from there, in Chichi Hima Bay. But there' s more. It was still said that all this was for business and that it was a fraud, that they had sought the information that was available and from that they had invented a whole story. However, the party that does claim that this real provided also very hard data, such as James Houston Jr.

37:06 Indeed, he piloted corsair aircraft before being sent to Natoma Bay. He was a pilot of a corsair squadron and always told his family that that was the plane of his dreams that gave him a favorite plane, that he loved to fly that. It was said that the boy had seen these things in the museum and from there he had got the idea. However, the Museum, that museum where everything began between nineteen hundred and ninety- nine and up to two thousand and six, had no corsair plane in its collection. I had no way of knowing. It was said that, from the Blue Angels video, which I repeat, it is not the cumbias group, the child had invented this whole story. However, the Blue Angels, this acrobatic group, never had corsair planes among their fleet of planes and neither had planes like the Ns. The kid said he piloted the Natoma Bey, so not now.

38:05 For a fraud to be worth it there must be money and these people. What he brought out was a book that was sold in two thousand nine in a very discreet way. He won an award for writing an essay, et cetera, et cetera. But they didn' t sell the story, they didn' t make a movie, they didn' t sell the rights to a movie. Nothing else was gained if, of course, a Japanese television station paid them a trip to go there to Chichi Hima Bay, to the exact point where James Houston died, and they left a floral offering, a kind of ceremony that took place there very discreetly. For a fraud to be worth it there must be money that represents something, but this family spent years and years. The first writings James Son' s father sent from the year two thousand and continued to send letters are visiting information as a fanatic until well into the two thousand fifteen. That is, a fraud that leaves no money and that, after leaving no money and they realized that the television did not pull them, they continued to investigate, confirm, obtain data, bring photographs. Some make sense to be a fraud. It' s a very bad fraud. But in addition, the surviving sister, who at that time, when she met the child, was about ninety years old, claimed that the movements the smile and the things she said were very similar or what she

39:37 remembered of her brother. You, of course, will always have the best opinion. And now, if you have a better opinion, you can tell me it' s a fraudulent case or not. It' s fraudulent. But if I tell you that it is not the only one and that there is another case that has caught my attention enormously and that it has similar characteristics, perhaps you can change your mind and now let me take you to Chicago, Chicago, ILLINO, one thousand nine hundred and ninety- three. This picture I' m showing you is a place in North La Salle, 14th and 2nd North La Salle Street. Currently there is a very nice building.

40:25 There' s a four- story building, very nice, etcetera. It is an income system that is known as single room oupans. In the 1990s, this whole area was full of buildings that had actually been conceived as hotels but that with the crisis of the 1990s had become departments. The buildings as such were not particularly elegant and in general, they were very cheap places. Some of these places could cost, as I wish, dollars a week. They were ruinous, ugly, and many of them were very careless. One of these places was known as the Paxton Hotel or Praxton. In fact, in Praxton it was one of these models of single- room occupancy and many of the inhabitants of this place were people who had been there for a long time, people with scarce resources, lonely people, elderly people who no longer had a place to go and lived in this place. The building had been built in the 1930s and was not very pretty. I was very careless actually, but besides that, I wasn' t modernized. In a thousand nine hundred and ninety- three, the building lacked a fire sprinkler system. It lacked an alarm system, because the alarm system, which had been installed many

41:55 years ago, had been ruined and no one fixed it and it occupied by a hundred and forty people, four floors in the form of stairs at the end stairs in the middle of emergency exits, that someone had stolen the doors. There wasn' t much difference from one hallway to another. Everything was full of things because, besides, as these people used to live there already of plant and the departments were extraordinarily small. On many occasions, his things, his everyday things, his boxes, his bags, were outside his own room. The interior was even bloated with things. One hundred and forty persons and then, on the sixteenth of March of one thousand nine hundred and ninety - three, the unthinkable occurs. The tragedy comes at about four o' clock in the morning and somehow that was never specified, it could be a short circuit. A neighbor smoker who fell asleep, a chimney that did not serve anything failed and the building began to burn because of the way it was built, which was a mixture of masonry structure, hardwood floors, wood divisions and plaster that burned very quickly. When the fire department received the report around 4: 30 and arrived at the place, just four minutes later, they could see flames coming out of the ceiling and there was an impressive amount of smoke. The firemen weren' t equipped at the time There were just two

43:29 units. So they tried to rescue people with stairs. It was a very complicated mission because the smoke was very dense. Firefighters did an amazing job. They managed to get people out of there, but very soon the flames began to advance everywhere, tongues of fire coming out of the windows and there were those who panicked jumped I repeat that it was not a big building. There were four levels. So the one who was on the second floor and jumped well, came out with some scratches some crooked foot. The one on the fourth floor didn' t deliver it very well, at least a couple of people lost their lives jumping fire. It was controlled about four hours later, but the building was virtually destroyed. Walls had been left and several bodies among the rubble. At the end of the day, the count led to twenty - one people being considered fatal victims. Of the twenty- one occupants, two more people were never found. It is likely that they have charred beyond recognition and that their remains, when dispersed with the debris, have been lost.

44:37 So there are those who claim that the total number was twenty- three. Some say it could have been worse, because no one really knew how many people were there. The tragic thing about it is that, in the absence of a fire alarm system, no one found out. Some of these surviving neighbors claimed to have learned that the fire was in plenary when the firefighters arrived. Others noticed the fire when the smoke invaded their rooms and could not breathe. Some may have noticed before, but they could not leave because in addition, in this place lived people in very peculiar conditions, some people in wheelchairs, people alone. It was a horrible tragedy. However, after some newspapers publishing aggressive critical notes to the city government, which had not reviewed this, the matter remained there. The place where the Paxton was was completely demolished, it was cleaned and a beautiful new building was built. There on North Street, the victims' salle. Well, there were many and as it usually happens in these cases and as it happened in the first case. The memory of these people, except for their direct relatives, is lost in oblivion until the year two thousand and fifteen. There' s something very strange going

46:14 on. There' s a little boy, a cute little boy named Luke, and in the year two thousand and fifteen he' s two years old. He talks well, plays a lot, talks a lot, and loves talking to his mom and grandma Trump. Grandma' s been asked to Trump. The fact is, the mom comes and she' s around, I don' t know how much, and the kid' s playing with something. It' s a catarina, a faggot, as they call it in other places, a back law. The mom tells her how cute, what a beautiful creature, what a pam ay, what a beautiful real name and keeps playing later for anything else is Pam. Then he' s playing the kid and suddenly he plays like Pam. It' s not that I play with Pam, Pam' s diminutive, but she plays Pam. That' s getting really weird. Mom starts to worry and starts to worry about why.

47:22 When you ask Pam who Pam is, the boy answers, it' s me how you want her. Yeah, the thing is, I died I went to heaven and then God came back to me and when I was born again you told me my name was Luke and it' s me. Mom gets very nervous and says no, man, how do you think. They are not believers. They were not actually practitioners of any religion, much less. But mom' s funny about that and she laughs a lot. He says no, son, how do you think, but the grandmother around here finds out and gets very nervous. How' s this. The fact is that the days continue to pass and the games remain the same. One good day she arrives and something brings the mom in her ears a few scratches and the boy tells her I like your earrings very much because they are like the ones she wore and she looks at her with that peculiar look when she was Pam and then tells her I had black hair. That' s how he does it with the hands. So, referring to a very curly hair.

48:36 They go ahead with that and Grandma consults around here asks over there. It' s not very clear to you. This is not normal until suddenly one good day, the child asks him well and you say that in Pam died and then you were born as Luke, yes and how pam uy died like that, how that had been so fire and so the mom gets horrified. He says what the hell he' s talking about and the kid keeps telling him things. She asks, well, what color your skin is, to which the child responds by saying it was bold, that is, an Afro- descendant person. The mother keeps seeing him again and keeps asking questions and every time the child keeps talking. One good day he sees the train pass by and he says pam takes the train every day in Chicago, but they live in Ohio, in Cincinnati, Ohio, and the boy has never gone to Chicago. Chicago isn' t that far. Wow, it' s almost neighboring states and ILLINOI and I, but the kid' s never been to Chicago, and home. They never talk about Chicago, they don ' t have family there, they don' t say anything about how pam lives in Chicago. If she lives in Boys, well, she lived until the building fires. Shush, I know how in a big fire building and

50:09 again makes the signal as if she had thrown herself into the void. Mom doesn' t want to do this anymore. So they start going here and there and she' s looking to see what it' s about. The boy described a fire to him. The child has described a dead person to him. And that' s how the mom comes in and finds the story I told her about that building at the Praxton Hotel. And that' s not the end of it. The issue continues because from that moment on, the mother is given the task of searching everywhere for information about it. And that' s how you know that inside the victims of that hotel was a woman, an African- American woman named Pamela Robinson, a pretty creature, thirty years old, working with a family. He was staying in this place because it was very economical. She was one of the victims on the fourth floor and, according to some of the firefighters' reports, she was one of the people who lost their lives when they fell exactly as the child had said. It was difficult to get the information because it was an incident of ninety- three, something that had already been left in the past and that, in fact, few people remembered. The mother contacted the authorities, got more information and finally this came to the press. A television station invited the mother to an interview and the child and participated there. During the meeting,

51:43 the television station had some photos prepared in some way. They had obtained photos, Pam' s photos of Pamla Robinson, those photos and they were mounted on the child, but they showed them to them in a truculent way, because they placed many images of people of African descent, women about the same age for the child to select. The boy started seeing them and said I don' t know these people. I don' t know these people. I don' t know who these people are and I was small. I still don' t know who this picture is. If I know when it was taken, I remember very well. When we take it, I don ' t know what. I don' t know what. The person who was interviewing him tells him and who is pam and keeps seeing the other enthusiastic photos without knowing who they are, because the only real photo was that and it was from pam The child had positively identified her and the mother, although it was said that she had already got some photos before, it was not true, she did not get them on the Internet, because until this case came to light in the year two thousand fifteen, there was no photo of Pamela Robinson on the Internet. There is no page of sepelios where the location and characteristics of Pamela Robinson' s tomb can be granted. It is not in findah Grave or in Ancestree, which are the pages that have dedicated to this for many years. There are no previous photographs of Pamela Robinson. The

53:14 mom didn' t have any pictures for the kid to see and tell her that' s Pamela. When we go on TV, you say that' s not there. Of course, when all this is done, the mother gets in touch with Pamela' s family to explain all of this. The family of this Afro- descending girl tragically deceased, would not be made public, would not make public anything, have not spoken to the press, have not presented themselves, had contact and, to everyone' s surprise, a peculiar detail of the child coincided a lot with Pam Once while the mother was looking for a song on the radio, she ran into a station where she was singing Stevie Wonder, that singer from the seventies up to around the eighties and who was very famous, a person with weak visual glasses Afro- descending who sang and did things and the child suddenly listens to that and starts to do it and dance and the mom tells her you like it. Yeah, I love it. When they come home, he puts more songs and the child seems to know the two years old. I don' t want to see that two years old and the kid seems to know them. When he talks to the family of pam the family tells him that yes indeed, Pamelia loved the songs of this subject. Stevie Wonder. Having come to that conclusion

54:46 and known who little Luke was, he seems to have left behind. That as if those memories were no longer necessary, as if all that in oblivion remained there, no one charged a penny. We need to clear this up. The TV show didn' t pay anything, it wasn' t to be paid for. It was just an interview. There was no publication, no movie rights, nothing. It repeats the same thing. Fraud. It ' s a very bad fraud. He exposed his son. He showed it, risked it and nothing at all. It' s been many years. I could have written a book by now. He' s not interested.

55:27 Everyone goes on with their world, they go on with their lives. So there are two interesting cases there and you' ve noticed the coincidences. In both cases, deaths were violent and premature. In the case of James Houston Jr' s little man. He was a twenty- one- year- old boy, a young man with his whole life ahead of him and who died tragically and suddenly. I was at war. Of course, something could be expected to happen, but he died in a very violent way. As for Pam, Pam, she also died in a very violent, very sad way, at a very early age, thirty years, the whole future ahead of a tragedy. In both cases, the return was relatively early, unlike people who remember having been Napoleon or who remember living in Egypt. So I don' t know five thousand years like that. In these cases in which the memories are extraordinarily strong and come by themselves, not through regressive hypnosis or through therapies of past lives, but come by themselves, there is a constant and that constant is that people had died in the last incarnation prior to it in a violent way as young people and return very soon. In addition,

57:00 memories become very efficient or, at least, very noticeable in a period ranging from one and a half years to four years. From that moment on, the memories are erased very quickly. What used to be a memory now seems more like something read, not something of its own. You miss that. There is only this window of time that is absolutely indistinct. It doesn' t matter if he was a man or a woman in a past life, it doesn' t matter if he was of a different race or a different color. None of that matters, as you shouldn' t have it in real life for that person to have those memories. Tonight we wanted to share only these two cases because they have caught our attention strongly and they are cases that, as you see, are recent and give us an idea that perhaps and only perhaps, this is not the only tango that we dance you, that thinks very good nights and that you rest in peace