Casos de reencarnación || Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

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R r or I I S.
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Stories from the dark side. Lack
of ceres, strangers, events, is

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inexplicable, diversity stories that other minds
prefer to ignore. You know who you

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are. Actually, you know who
he is. We usually think we'

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re who we are, period.
However, it is us, our environment,

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our past and perhaps something else.
When I say maybe something else,

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I don' t mean what our
grandparents were, but what, in theory,

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we ourselves could have been before we
were born. In general, the

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churches and religious beliefs of the world
are divided into two large groups. Those

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who believe that there is a possibility
to reincarnate in any of its variants,

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from metempsychosis, which considers returning even
in plant forms, inanimate, etcetera.

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Reincarnation in its purest sense, where
one returns and occupies another human body.

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Reincarnation, as mentioned by the vagabond, where one can return in different animals

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and living beings depending on one'
s own history. And, of course,

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non- reincarnationist beliefs, those that
hold that there is only one journey

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and it is this and that then
there can also come a period considered as

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eternal rest. Therefore, there are
these two versions very found, but what

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can be said about it. One
thing is what has been concluded in the

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different beliefs, in which mechanisms are
analyzed and postulated, and another would be

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the cases that give us indications in
this regard. It is a very interesting

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part, because for many years,
some people have been gathering information about episodes

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in which people seem to remember past
lives. Why don' t we all

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remember them. Why don' t
we all have these strange experiences. Well,

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according to some of the most entrenched
beliefs in that sense, when a

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person dies, there is a time
when he retains all his identity, his

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memories, his traumas, his fears. But, as he spends some time

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in a sort of cleansing, he
ends up getting rid of all that and

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remaining only as the pure spiritual essence, having learned the message, having learned

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what he had to learn. He
is able to reoccupy a body and relive,

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things he needs to learn for his
spiritual growth and reach a final level

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at which he will no longer have
to return. The time that passes between

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the death of the person and his
reincarnation will depend on many things, but

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in general, the process of returning
to a human body includes the loss of

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memory of those events that only remain
at the level of the spiritual essence,

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at the level of that pure essence, where what was learned does not have

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to do with memory, but with
experiences, something a little more complicated than

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it seems, but in short,
that is the basic idea. A person

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dies, passes through a period in
which he assimilates all those events lived and

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then comes the return with the complete
loss of memory or not. And that

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' s where these cases that I' m talking about and of course,

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there are some that are relatively recent
compared to cases that occurred at the end

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of the 19th century. Or over
there are some cases that are really very

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recent and that, by the way, are quite interesting. Let me introduce

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you to the first one. First
of all, I' m going to

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explain a couple of things. You' ve heard of an aircraft carrier.

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An aircraft carrier is a ship,
a huge ship carrying planes. It'

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s a warship. The planes he' s carrying are war planes. An

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aircraft carrier has the function of making
those planes to combat sites. They take

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off vainly in their misdeeds, that
way they return and rest on the ship.

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During World War II, the use
of the aircraft carrier became a primary

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practice. For both Japan and the
Americans, aircraft carriers became an indispensable tool.

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Not Germany, but the British did, and this led to the construction

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of these huge ships. Probably some
of the largest ships ever built were aircraft

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carriers, not the heaviest ones,
but the biggest ones, and these were

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extraordinarily powerful, with many planes both
Japanese and American, and a great firing

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power. But, obviously, as
the war progressed, it was also necessary

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to do some that turned out to
be something like the family' s economics.

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They were called scort carriers. They
were smaller, very agile, much

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lighter in other respects, with fewer
planes and were built faster, so many

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of these were started to be built. Unlike large aircraft carriers such as the

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Lexington, the Ex the York Down, which were very emblematic ships and from

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which many memories are kept, the
small aircraft carriers, these scort carriers really

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passed without pity or glory. Many
of them were built about a thousand nine

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hundred and forty- four, so
when the end of the war came,

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they had had some encounters, but
it was no big deal. One of

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those aircraft carriers, known as escort
or escort carriers, pocket carriers, was

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the USS Nathoma Bay, named after
a small bay in Alaska. This ship

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was not particularly spectacular. It hadn' t been built to last a long

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time It wasn' t very tough
on a fast boat. It had been

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built quickly to replace some of the
so many who had been lost in the

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war. He began sailing in nineteen
hundred and forty- four, that is,

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already towards the end and his theatre
of operations was on the stage of

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Pacific War. There he participated in
the recovery of the Marshall Islands, in

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the recovery of the Solomon Islands and
also participated in some major battles, such

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as I wu Jima, where his
planes bombed for a long time. This

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particular ship, the USS nahm Bay, had two main variants of aircraft.

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Since it was very small slowly it
could not carry large planes, so it

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carried a particular model that was known
as the f DOS wild Cat, a

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one- place bomber house relatively small
aircraft. He also carried torpedo launchers that

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took off his deck. It was
the two variants the Natoma Bay civil action

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did have some incidents. In fact, even a plane. Kamikase crashed into

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the deck, but survived very well. During the Battle of Gojima he only

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lost one plane. Unlike other clashes
where many U S aircraft ended up at

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sea. In that battle of iwo
Jima, in Toma Bay he only lost

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one plane, one small plane.
His pilot was a 21- year-

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old from Pennsylvania. A very nice
guy, James Houston. James Houston Jr,

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twenty- one years old, very
young, had begun to fly at

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the age of nineteen when the war
began and he enlisted. He was a

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marine pilot and had stood out for
being a rather bold and very good pilot,

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but also a very nice great companion. He was a short man.

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He was actually quite short, so
many of his companions would jociously call him

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Littleman, the little man. And
there are even those who claim that his

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plane had drawn a little man,
but he found death. There, not

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exactly did Wujima finish bombing there.
When they returned the afternoon, they found

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a group of boats in Chichi Hima
Bay near Ujima. These Japanese ships were

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preparing for a discharge of materials and
sending reinforcement troops to the garrison of Guajima

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and were surprised by the detachment of
planes sent from the Natoma Bey and among

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those pilots was James Houston second,
James Houston Jr. The maneuvers began and

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were launched at the time. The
U S planes began to cannon the ships

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that were there and to launch everything
they had. But the ships also had

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what to respond to, and one
of those munitions impacted the engine of James

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' plane, blowing it into flames, wrapping the entire plane in flames and

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quickly, rushing into the sea,
colliding head- on into the water and

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sinking quickly. James Houston Junior was
one of so many dead in that war.

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Another pilot who missed the people who
flew on that mission. Arriving at

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the aircraft carrier, he wrote a
report locating the exact point where the plane

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crashed and giving the news that he
had died. A few days later,

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James' family received an emotional letter
from me just like millions of letters that

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had been sent, received a flag, some belongings that were removed from their

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locker on the boat, a little
hat and news that he had died in

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action and his body had received the
burial of the sea. Therefore, they

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would not receive a coffin and would
have nothing else. James Houston Jr.

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It was lost in an innumerable list
of people killed in a brutal war,

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a terrible war. His body sank
with his plane in a distant bay,

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far from Pennsylvania, far from home
away from his people. A young man

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with a huge future ended his days
there and of course he ended them together

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with hundreds of Japanese who burned with
all their ships in that same bay and

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who were all anonymous. It was
a war in which the great generals became

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famous the great speeches of a President, but the foot soldiers, those below,

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no one remembers them and the name
of James Houston Junior appears virtually nowhere,

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except in the memory of his close
family. Perhaps some flight mate,

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perhaps some acquaintance of the ship who
remembered the memory of this leader of this

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small man was lost forever, just
like his plane, like the Japanese who

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sank in that bay of Chichi Hima, that evening of one thousand nine hundred

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forty- four, at least for
some time and why I tell him that

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for some time he waits a moment, time passes. Of course, people

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are forgetting that. The memory of
human beings is quite selective and with the

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coming and going of life, things
are happening. And it is nine hundred

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and ninety- eight years since the
end of World War II. Life goes

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on. There' s already been
other things. There was Vietnam Korea.

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In fact, the Natoma Bey was
such an unimportant ship that, after the

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Second World War, it served a
small amount out there, as a school

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ship, they sent it to the
Korean War, but did not do any

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mission. It just broke down and
they returned it and by nine hundred and

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sixty they sold it as scrap,
so no. By nine hundred and ninety

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- eight, practically no one remembered
that ship. It was written down in

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some book and eventually some war veterans
who had taken part in that ship would

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gather in a location near Texas,
where there was a kind of veterans'

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club, and sometimes the veterans of
the Natoma would go there. Otherwise,

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it had been lost in time.
But I' m telling you, it

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' s a thousand nine hundred and
ninety- eight, and suddenly a baby

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is born Oh. Yeah, he' s a beautiful kid. The couple,

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the parents are members of a rather
hermetic religious community. In fact,

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the couple are, as it were, unusual Christians. At the same time,

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very fervent of their Christian beliefs.
Nothing further than any reincarnationist idea,

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or any of that, let'
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when he is born, is a
child and everyone celebrates him the grandfather,

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the grandmother to the uncles, is
the first of the family and is

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very nice and knows how they call
him James, a good name like any

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other name. The little one is
developing well. Mom and Dad delighted with

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the life of seeing him is a
very nice chubby boy. Dad travels constantly

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for work, but when he'
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his kid and make things for him. Grandpa was in the war. He

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' s a veteran. So eventually
he also talks about it at home from

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his experiences back in the war.
So when the child is a year and

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a half, just over a year
and a half, he' s a

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cute creature and they take him to
the museum. Actually, the trip to

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the museum was not for the child, but for the grandfather. They were

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in tiled dallas and there' s
a tremendous aeronautics museum. So they went

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that way, arriving at the museum. Well, a little boy planes hanging

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from the roof other planes. Here
and there huge photos signs, with all

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the history of every plane that the
child does not read because he does not

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know how to read is very chatty. From a small point of view,

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he speaks very well, so he
talks to his dad about things and laughs

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a little bit, plays a little
game, buys him a little something,

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and when they suddenly arrive in the
room where the planes of World War II

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are. The little boy gets very
quiet seeing everywhere all of a sudden.

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He points here, points here,
as asking Dad to take him to see

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something in particular of each of those
planes that, by the way, are

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not at all showy the exhibition there
are planes the vast majority gray or blue.

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They don' t have much to
see. Some of them even smell

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a little ugly from the oil they
spill. They smell like rust, they

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smell like old, because they are
devices that are fifty years old or older.

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But they are struck by the attention
that the child points out, but

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he does not look happy, he
is rather impressed to see that good.

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Finish the ride. Finish the ride
and little James Leininger is the last name

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comes to the little time, which
is out and well, the enchanted dad

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of life. He' s a
first- time dad with his beautiful baby,

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he goes and buys him some cute
little toy planes and the dad finds

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something very nice. A video.
It' s a Blue Angels record.

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Don' t get confused, they' re not a cumbia group, they

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' re not the blue angels of
iztapalapa. Blue Angels is a group of

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acrobatic pilots from the United States Navy. Their planes are blue. That'

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s why they' re called that
and it' s a group that'

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s many years old. So the
dad goes and buys that fascinated. When

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they get home, dad puts on
his video and the kid comes fast and

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is delighted to see that. Then
he starts playing with his little planes and

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they realize something weird. The child
does something he might even think of as

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ugly grabs his little planes and constantly
does this as if he crashed them.

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He plays like he smashes them against
the table. Dad tells them no,

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my son. Planes fly, they
don' t do this. They fly

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and the child doesn' t seem
very convinced. It' s been a

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while, but don' t imagine
any damage. It' s been weeks

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and the boy is delighted with the
Blue Angels video. He constantly asks to

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put it on and sits down and
sees it from point to point. It

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' s not exactly a fun thing. They' re little planes that make

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pirouettes. They tell the story.
The first planes of the Blue Angels appear

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and until the last ones of the
nineties. So it' s not so

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attractive to be seeing him again and
again, but the child is fascinated with

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that. Then they give you the
desired toy is a small plane of pedals.

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It' s one of those carts. Like metal. I' ve

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put a picture of little James riding
in his toy. That fascinated one,

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but he goes on with the little
plane and the mom comes and says no,

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son, don' t crash and
the planes fly look like this and

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look like this and look at it. This one has a bomb. Oh,

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he' s scared of a bomb
down here. You saw the boy

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grab the plane and tell Mom,
that' s not a bomb, it

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' s an extraction fuel tank and
keep playing. Of course, we'

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re talking about a child who'
s barely serving eighteen months, just over

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a year and a half. And
he just explained to his mom that that

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' s under the plane is not
a bomb, but a fuel tank,

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exactly as he should have explained it
to someone much older and knowledgeable. Mom

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gets surprised and wonders where the lightning
came from. I do not lose sight

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that he is a young boy who
does not go to school, who does

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not know how to read and whose
only access to these topics is to go

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to a museum and watch his video
of the Blues Angels. Well, there

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' s something else. Yeah,
yeah, there' s something else.

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A book. Dad bought a book
for Grandpa. Grandpa had been ex-

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combatant, he had been a veteran. So, well, he wants to

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give you a book from the Second
War. And there' s something really

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ugly going on there, because that
day dad' s flipping through his book

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to give it away. He'
s looking at it to see if it

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' s right, if it is. And the boy passes by and he

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looks at a photograph and upset,
irritated, visibly upset, he leaves when

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the dad tells him what happened.
I don' t want to, I

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don' t know what, I
don' t know what and he'

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s going and he' s flirting
and cheerful in his baby voice, because

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he' s a baby and he
doesn' t want to see it in

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the picture. It wasn' t
a horrifying photo, it wasn' t

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a photo where people were dead,
no explosions, nothing. It was a

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photograph of the island of Hwshima.
Before the battle of Gojima. You could

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see that mountain, the Suribachi,
you could see all that, but the

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boy got awfully uncomfortable and the dad
left kept all these memories and the mom

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had started to notice these weird experiences
because it was very notorious. And then

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it came to that moment where things
got more ugly. And when I say

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they got ugly, it' s
because the kid started acting worse at night,

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he started having horrible nightmares where he
screamed, complained and made very strange

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movements, like trying to rip something
off with his hands. He was very

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asleep, but he kicked and moved
frantically. The mother had to wake him

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up, and not once but several
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When he woke up, the mother
asked him what happened, why you dreamt

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ugly what happened, and the boy
could not explain it some time ago,

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not only was kicking and pulling,
but he started repeating a sentence. The

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phrase was pretty scary because it said
it again in English, Airplane crash on

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Fire, little Man kant ket Out. The plane crashed on fire and Little

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Man can' t get out of
the plane. Mom keeps thinking what the

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hell this kid put on TV.
And when she talks to her husband,

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the husband tells her nothing, man, just his Blue Angers video. But

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there' s nothing like that.
Mom asks him who Little Man is.

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It' s you why, you
dream, that' s not, no,

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nothing' s gonna happen to you. And if so, it'

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s me. But it' s
not me. And so that begins and

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dreams become terrifying because he shouts this
same phrase, repeats it again and again

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and again and gradually, that makes
them nervous until suddenly a good day,

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they see him out there an interview
of a person who talks about regressions and

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past lives. They don' t
believe this much, but it takes them

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to get help, and the help
tells them that they have to talk to

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the child and that it' s
worth explaining that he' s safe,

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that everything was something that happened many
years ago that doesn' t have to

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do now with his home, with
his world, that his dad, his

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mom are here, there' s
no plane or he' s assuming,

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of course, that the child saw
something that he shouldn' t see and

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indeed, that calms him and can
sleep well, although he still has these

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weird ideas, like that day they
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airport and little James receives him and
after politely greeting him with a classic Daddy

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tells him the plane crashed burning.
Dad scolds him and tells him why you

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' re telling me that. But
he' s a baby, he'

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s a kid who' s just
gonna be two years old and again,

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they take him to the museum for
s s s NS. A reason.

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They have to go with Grandpa,
with someone and go to the museum and

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repeat that and this time it is
with much more force. The boy looks

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worried, he looks weird when they' re in the area of World War

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II planes. Look, look,
touch, try to get closer, but

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it' s uncomfortable that with the
passing of days, these strange games with

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the plane and they even get to
damage the table, they do the scratches

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and things because he keeps insisting with
this one good day, the dad asks

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him why it happens, what is
all this that you say about it,

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and the kid tells him it is
that I already died. I' m

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little Man, my plane crashed and
I died. Dad gets surprised and tells

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him well, what it' s
about, what it' s like,

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where you saw this, what your
plane was like, what and the kid

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tells him about a boat. I
took off and died. Then comes that

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where suddenly the mom says good,
but that can' t be. You

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are, my son says yes,
but before I was another person and the

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father asks him well what your boat
was called, to which the boy answers

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Nathomma. It rings a bell.
I just told you the story at first.

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Dad still saw and says no.
That can' t be. That

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sounds more like a Japanese boat.
They were the ones who shot how they

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killed me the Japanese. It was
too violent what this kid was counting for

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a two- year- old.
But, in addition to this, in

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the following days the drawings began and
the drawings were equally terrifying, because the

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drawings of this child represented essential planes
shooting at something, burning planes and something

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that crashed and repeated it several times
in many parts. He made these drawings

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in drawing books he doesn' t
go to school yet, however, in

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drawing books he had at home,
in leaflets in whatever was filled with those

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horrible drawings. The father finally decides
to investigate and the first thing he investigates

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is whether or not there really existed
a ship with that name and is surprised

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to find out that there was the
boat I told him about at first.

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Now there was much more research to
be done, and Dad' s starting

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to get in touch. He is
surprised by the strange finding and surprised by

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two or three more things that are
strange to him. The first thing is

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that the boy says that he was
piloting a corsair to hang a very peculiar

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plane of gull- like wing,
what happened to World War II, and

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the boy claims or has died in
a corsar. There must have been some

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photograph of this plane and the boy
claimed that that was his plane, but

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the dad didn' t remember having
it. Seen that plane in the museum.

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Anyway, he' s still investigating, and that' s when you

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get to know that there' s
a group of veterans meeting in Dallas,

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one good day he decides to go
talk to them. He asks them things,

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those people answer things like war,
etcetera, etcetera, but he can

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' t find much evidence. A
few days later, he sits down again

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to see the book, the one
who is going to give the grandfather and

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the child comes and sees the photograph
of Mount Suribachi and Iwo Jima, and

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the father asks him why you are
afraid and the child answers him because there

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he died good. It' s
a very tense moment to the next meeting

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he attends with the veterans. He
asked them if the ship had participated in

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the battle of Wajima, to which
they replied that yes, that it had

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participated there. You ask them if
they knew which pilots or how many pilots

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had died in that battle and that
they would have been part of the natoma

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ship and they did not remember very
well because many years had passed. But

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there' s one of them who
does remember well and tells them that there

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was only one dead person, James
Houston Junior. The bafaxe is very,

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very surprised. Everything was very well
packed, but they didn' t know

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very well how. So how that
had been. A few days later,

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talking to the child, he asks
if he remembers the name of any of

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his companions and the child responds Jack
Jack Clarsen flew with me, continues with

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his world. Dad immediately writes to
the veteran group asking if they knew Jack

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Larsen. The answer is no,
they knew a Larson they knew Lara.

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I don' t know what,
but they didn' t know Larsen.

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When the next meeting comes, there
comes another person who says he did,

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but doesn' t know where he
is. The fact of the matter is

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that a rebamba is armed to try
to locate a pilot named Jack Larsen,

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and it turns out that he did
exist and he was alive and he had

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a great memory and a lot of
files and he knows what in one of

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those files kept the report of the
death of James Houston Jr. How the

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drawings were, the trajectory and how
he died. And you know something,

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something that turned out to be even
worse is that this man was flying next

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to James when his plane burst into
flames and fell into the sea in a

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rush, losing himself in the same
way that the boy played to crash his

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little plane in the water. Larsen
had the full information. Everything was perfectly

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imponed. So they decided to contact
the only survivor of that family, who

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was the sister and sister, even
though they didn' t tell her exactly

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why they contacted her and went to
the veterans and all this sent them some

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pictures and the boy started crying when
he saw the photos, covered his face,

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did all sorts of things and began
to describe his life as James Houston

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junior. No one knew him,
no one knew him. Moreover, in

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the group of veterans of nathma Bay
they did not even remember him had flown

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very little time in that carrier had
already died in battle. Even his companions

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didn' t remember well. Only
Larsen, who was flying with him and

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who, by the way, was
the one who called him Littnman. When

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asked if James Houston had a nickname
or was called in a loving way,

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Larsen recognized that he was called little
Man. He remembers what the boy said.

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The plane on fire crashes. Lederman
can' t get out. This

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was enough to leave the nerves to
any parent, because what they were seeing

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there was a war veteran, killed
in a thousand and forty- four in

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his child' s body. Later, the sister confirmed much of what the

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child had said about his own life, about the drunk father, his toys,

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where he slept, how he slept, how many brothers, all the

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information. Year two thousand there was
not all the information that is now on

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the Internet Even when there was already
Internet, it was not so powerful.

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And yet, this child, who
cannot read, who cannot write, who

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has not gone to school, has
described the life of a dead person fifty

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years ago. The parents start looking
for answers and that' s how they

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get to a television station that offers
them a program, a TV program,

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the kid goes to the dads go
help them get information, they go look,

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they put together a whole file and
they record the pilot who never gets

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on the air because the program wasn' t interesting enough and it was canceled.

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They didn' t pay them anything. History as such was not sold.

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There was a prize out there.
Someone gave them a prize of$

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20, 000 for a letter the
family wrote about all this. It was

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a writing prize and years later,
already beyond two thousand nine, they wrote

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a book with the story of the
child and it was there. The doubt

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was real. This particular case left
an enormous amount of doubts and questions and

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affirmations, because soon after, when
the little one would turn about five years

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old, the story was erased.
Currently, this boy, who is probably

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twenty- five years old, has
no memories as such, except what he

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has been told today. He'
d rather stay anonymous. He prefers to

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remain discreet. He' s not
a pilot. He didn' t study

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for a pilot, and he didn' t do that. He prefers to

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lead a quiet life away from reflectors. He doesn' t want people asking

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him, you' re the child
of the no, but there are several

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questions. This may happen. It' s not a fraud. There are

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two important things. Some here claim
that all this was a fraud set up

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by the parents to sell a story
and that they searched a lot to get

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something to attract attention. They claim
that, among other things, there were

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errors and inaccuracies. For example,
the boy said that he was a pilot

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of a corsair, when in reality
either the Toma Bay nard did not use

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those planes. The corsairs f four
or did not fly in aircraft carriers were

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too heavy and often tires exploded at
the time of reaching the deck, were

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unstable and had no good visibility.
So they weren' t there at first.

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The ship on which James Houston Jr
died carried wildcat planes and torpedoes,

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but the boy had said corsair.
So the vast majority of critics claimed that

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everything was a fraud and that everything
was armed. That' s why and

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for other inaccuracies, like the boy
had said he died in Egoajima, when

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Houston died four kilometers from there,
in Chichi Hima Bay. But there'

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s more. It was still said
that all this was for business and that

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it was a fraud, that they
had sought the information that was available and

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from that they had invented a whole
story. However, the party that does

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claim that this real provided also very
hard data, such as James Houston Jr.

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Indeed, he piloted corsair aircraft before
being sent to Natoma Bay. He

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was a pilot of a corsair squadron
and always told his family that that was

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the plane of his dreams that gave
him a favorite plane, that he loved

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to fly that. It was said
that the boy had seen these things in

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the museum and from there he had
got the idea. However, the Museum,

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that museum where everything began between nineteen
hundred and ninety- nine and up

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to two thousand and six, had
no corsair plane in its collection. I

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had no way of knowing. It
was said that, from the Blue Angels

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video, which I repeat, it
is not the cumbias group, the child

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had invented this whole story. However, the Blue Angels, this acrobatic group,

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never had corsair planes among their fleet
of planes and neither had planes like

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the Ns. The kid said he
piloted the Natoma Bey, so not now.

412
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.400
For a fraud to be worth it
there must be money and these people.

413
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.000
What he brought out was a book
that was sold in two thousand nine

414
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.599
in a very discreet way. He
won an award for writing an essay,

415
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.960
et cetera, et cetera. But
they didn' t sell the story,

416
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.880
they didn' t make a movie, they didn' t sell the rights

417
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:29.119
to a movie. Nothing else was
gained if, of course, a Japanese

418
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.800
television station paid them a trip to
go there to Chichi Hima Bay, to

419
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:36.719
the exact point where James Houston died, and they left a floral offering,

420
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:43.360
a kind of ceremony that took place
there very discreetly. For a fraud to

421
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:49.719
be worth it there must be money
that represents something, but this family spent

422
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:55.480
years and years. The first writings
James Son' s father sent from the

423
00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:02.880
year two thousand and continued to send
letters are visiting information as a fanatic until

424
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.239
well into the two thousand fifteen.
That is, a fraud that leaves no

425
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.280
money and that, after leaving no
money and they realized that the television did

426
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:15.119
not pull them, they continued to
investigate, confirm, obtain data, bring

427
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.360
photographs. Some make sense to be
a fraud. It' s a very

428
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:28.320
bad fraud. But in addition,
the surviving sister, who at that time,

429
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:32.519
when she met the child, was
about ninety years old, claimed that

430
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.480
the movements the smile and the things
she said were very similar or what she

431
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:43.880
remembered of her brother. You,
of course, will always have the best

432
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:50.840
opinion. And now, if you
have a better opinion, you can tell

433
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.840
me it' s a fraudulent case
or not. It' s fraudulent.

434
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:58.360
But if I tell you that it
is not the only one and that there

435
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:06.559
is another case that has caught my
attention enormously and that it has similar characteristics,

436
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.199
perhaps you can change your mind and
now let me take you to Chicago,

437
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:15.440
Chicago, ILLINO, one thousand nine
hundred and ninety- three. This

438
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:21.800
picture I' m showing you is
a place in North La Salle, 14th

439
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.280
and 2nd North La Salle Street.
Currently there is a very nice building.

440
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.559
There' s a four- story
building, very nice, etcetera. It

441
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:37.639
is an income system that is known
as single room oupans. In the 1990s,

442
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:42.719
this whole area was full of buildings
that had actually been conceived as hotels

443
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:50.199
but that with the crisis of the
1990s had become departments. The buildings as

444
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:54.559
such were not particularly elegant and in
general, they were very cheap places.

445
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:00.880
Some of these places could cost,
as I wish, dollars a week.

446
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:08.159
They were ruinous, ugly, and
many of them were very careless. One

447
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:14.280
of these places was known as the
Paxton Hotel or Praxton. In fact,

448
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:22.320
in Praxton it was one of these
models of single- room occupancy and many

449
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.440
of the inhabitants of this place were
people who had been there for a long

450
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:32.639
time, people with scarce resources,
lonely people, elderly people who no longer

451
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.400
had a place to go and lived
in this place. The building had been

452
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:42.280
built in the 1930s and was not
very pretty. I was very careless actually,

453
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:49.519
but besides that, I wasn'
t modernized. In a thousand nine

454
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.599
hundred and ninety- three, the
building lacked a fire sprinkler system. It

455
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.599
lacked an alarm system, because the
alarm system, which had been installed many

456
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:00.400
years ago, had been ruined and
no one fixed it and it occupied by

457
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:06.679
a hundred and forty people, four
floors in the form of stairs at the

458
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.039
end stairs in the middle of emergency
exits, that someone had stolen the doors.

459
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.480
There wasn' t much difference from
one hallway to another. Everything was

460
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.199
full of things because, besides,
as these people used to live there already

461
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:25.440
of plant and the departments were extraordinarily
small. On many occasions, his things,

462
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.239
his everyday things, his boxes,
his bags, were outside his own

463
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:39.920
room. The interior was even bloated
with things. One hundred and forty persons

464
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:45.960
and then, on the sixteenth of
March of one thousand nine hundred and ninety

465
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:49.440
- three, the unthinkable occurs.
The tragedy comes at about four o'

466
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.239
clock in the morning and somehow that
was never specified, it could be a

467
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.840
short circuit. A neighbor smoker who
fell asleep, a chimney that did not

468
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:02.320
serve anything failed and the building began
to burn because of the way it was

469
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:07.719
built, which was a mixture of
masonry structure, hardwood floors, wood divisions

470
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:15.519
and plaster that burned very quickly.
When the fire department received the report around

471
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.880
4: 30 and arrived at the
place, just four minutes later, they

472
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.679
could see flames coming out of the
ceiling and there was an impressive amount of

473
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:29.639
smoke. The firemen weren' t
equipped at the time There were just two

474
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:34.960
units. So they tried to rescue
people with stairs. It was a very

475
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:38.119
complicated mission because the smoke was very
dense. Firefighters did an amazing job.

476
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.239
They managed to get people out of
there, but very soon the flames began

477
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.840
to advance everywhere, tongues of fire
coming out of the windows and there were

478
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:52.599
those who panicked jumped I repeat that
it was not a big building. There

479
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.360
were four levels. So the one
who was on the second floor and jumped

480
00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:00.320
well, came out with some scratches
some crooked foot. The one on the

481
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.360
fourth floor didn' t deliver it
very well, at least a couple of

482
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.400
people lost their lives jumping fire.
It was controlled about four hours later,

483
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:17.599
but the building was virtually destroyed.
Walls had been left and several bodies among

484
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:22.920
the rubble. At the end of
the day, the count led to twenty

485
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:28.280
- one people being considered fatal victims. Of the twenty- one occupants,

486
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.760
two more people were never found.
It is likely that they have charred beyond

487
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.519
recognition and that their remains, when
dispersed with the debris, have been lost.

488
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.639
So there are those who claim that
the total number was twenty- three.

489
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.639
Some say it could have been worse, because no one really knew how

490
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.960
many people were there. The tragic
thing about it is that, in the

491
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.840
absence of a fire alarm system,
no one found out. Some of these

492
00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.880
surviving neighbors claimed to have learned that
the fire was in plenary when the firefighters

493
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:07.440
arrived. Others noticed the fire when
the smoke invaded their rooms and could not

494
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:13.199
breathe. Some may have noticed before, but they could not leave because in

495
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:17.280
addition, in this place lived people
in very peculiar conditions, some people in

496
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:28.119
wheelchairs, people alone. It was
a horrible tragedy. However, after some

497
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:32.639
newspapers publishing aggressive critical notes to the
city government, which had not reviewed this,

498
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:38.719
the matter remained there. The place
where the Paxton was was completely demolished,

499
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:45.400
it was cleaned and a beautiful new
building was built. There on North

500
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:54.400
Street, the victims' salle.
Well, there were many and as it

501
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.760
usually happens in these cases and as
it happened in the first case. The

502
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:02.800
memory of these people, except for
their direct relatives, is lost in oblivion

503
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:14.000
until the year two thousand and fifteen. There' s something very strange going

504
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:19.639
on. There' s a little
boy, a cute little boy named Luke,

505
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.199
and in the year two thousand and
fifteen he' s two years old.

506
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:28.800
He talks well, plays a lot, talks a lot, and loves

507
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.760
talking to his mom and grandma Trump. Grandma' s been asked to Trump.

508
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:36.599
The fact is, the mom comes
and she' s around, I

509
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:37.400
don' t know how much,
and the kid' s playing with something.

510
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:43.679
It' s a catarina, a
faggot, as they call it in

511
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:45.960
other places, a back law.
The mom tells her how cute, what

512
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:52.159
a beautiful creature, what a pam
ay, what a beautiful real name and

513
00:46:52.280 --> 00:47:00.119
keeps playing later for anything else is
Pam. Then he' s playing the

514
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:07.840
kid and suddenly he plays like Pam. It' s not that I play

515
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:16.159
with Pam, Pam' s diminutive, but she plays Pam. That'

516
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:22.000
s getting really weird. Mom starts
to worry and starts to worry about why.

517
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:29.480
When you ask Pam who Pam is, the boy answers, it'

518
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.000
s me how you want her.
Yeah, the thing is, I died

519
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:37.679
I went to heaven and then God
came back to me and when I was

520
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.960
born again you told me my name
was Luke and it' s me.

521
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.280
Mom gets very nervous and says no, man, how do you think.

522
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.360
They are not believers. They were
not actually practitioners of any religion, much

523
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.039
less. But mom' s funny
about that and she laughs a lot.

524
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.519
He says no, son, how
do you think, but the grandmother around

525
00:47:55.559 --> 00:48:00.159
here finds out and gets very nervous. How' s this. The fact

526
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:06.119
is that the days continue to pass
and the games remain the same. One

527
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:09.840
good day she arrives and something brings
the mom in her ears a few scratches

528
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:15.000
and the boy tells her I like
your earrings very much because they are like

529
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:22.760
the ones she wore and she looks
at her with that peculiar look when she

530
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:27.360
was Pam and then tells her I
had black hair. That' s how

531
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.880
he does it with the hands.
So, referring to a very curly hair.

532
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:38.639
They go ahead with that and Grandma
consults around here asks over there.

533
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:44.559
It' s not very clear to
you. This is not normal until suddenly

534
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.159
one good day, the child asks
him well and you say that in Pam

535
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:55.000
died and then you were born as
Luke, yes and how pam uy died

536
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:04.800
like that, how that had been
so fire and so the mom gets horrified.

537
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.079
He says what the hell he'
s talking about and the kid keeps

538
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:13.119
telling him things. She asks,
well, what color your skin is,

539
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:21.480
to which the child responds by saying
it was bold, that is, an

540
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:28.360
Afro- descendant person. The mother
keeps seeing him again and keeps asking questions

541
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:32.119
and every time the child keeps talking. One good day he sees the train

542
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:37.440
pass by and he says pam takes
the train every day in Chicago, but

543
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:43.920
they live in Ohio, in Cincinnati, Ohio, and the boy has never

544
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.159
gone to Chicago. Chicago isn'
t that far. Wow, it'

545
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:52.400
s almost neighboring states and ILLINOI and
I, but the kid' s never

546
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:54.000
been to Chicago, and home.
They never talk about Chicago, they don

547
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:58.599
' t have family there, they
don' t say anything about how pam

548
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.039
lives in Chicago. If she lives
in Boys, well, she lived until

549
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:09.239
the building fires. Shush, I
know how in a big fire building and

550
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:15.679
again makes the signal as if she
had thrown herself into the void. Mom

551
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.320
doesn' t want to do this
anymore. So they start going here and

552
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:22.280
there and she' s looking to
see what it' s about. The

553
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:27.440
boy described a fire to him.
The child has described a dead person to

554
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.280
him. And that' s how
the mom comes in and finds the story

555
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:36.719
I told her about that building at
the Praxton Hotel. And that' s

556
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:40.320
not the end of it. The
issue continues because from that moment on,

557
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:46.920
the mother is given the task of
searching everywhere for information about it. And

558
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:52.159
that' s how you know that
inside the victims of that hotel was a

559
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:59.239
woman, an African- American woman
named Pamela Robinson, a pretty creature,

560
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:04.119
thirty years old, working with a
family. He was staying in this place

561
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.480
because it was very economical. She
was one of the victims on the fourth

562
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.679
floor and, according to some of
the firefighters' reports, she was one

563
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:15.000
of the people who lost their lives
when they fell exactly as the child had

564
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:20.199
said. It was difficult to get
the information because it was an incident of

565
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.440
ninety- three, something that had
already been left in the past and that,

566
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:28.880
in fact, few people remembered.
The mother contacted the authorities, got

567
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:37.400
more information and finally this came to
the press. A television station invited the

568
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:43.039
mother to an interview and the child
and participated there. During the meeting,

569
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:49.920
the television station had some photos prepared
in some way. They had obtained photos,

570
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:55.960
Pam' s photos of Pamla Robinson, those photos and they were mounted

571
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:01.480
on the child, but they showed
them to them in a truculent way,

572
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:07.079
because they placed many images of people
of African descent, women about the same

573
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:10.320
age for the child to select.
The boy started seeing them and said I

574
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.719
don' t know these people.
I don' t know these people.

575
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.039
I don' t know who these
people are and I was small. I

576
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.880
still don' t know who this
picture is. If I know when it

577
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.960
was taken, I remember very well. When we take it, I don

578
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:24.239
' t know what. I don' t know what. The person who

579
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:30.639
was interviewing him tells him and who
is pam and keeps seeing the other enthusiastic

580
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:34.719
photos without knowing who they are,
because the only real photo was that and

581
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.679
it was from pam The child had
positively identified her and the mother, although

582
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:44.280
it was said that she had already
got some photos before, it was not

583
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:50.480
true, she did not get them
on the Internet, because until this case

584
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:55.039
came to light in the year two
thousand fifteen, there was no photo of

585
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:59.320
Pamela Robinson on the Internet. There
is no page of sepelios where the location

586
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:04.159
and characteristics of Pamela Robinson' s
tomb can be granted. It is not

587
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:08.280
in findah Grave or in Ancestree,
which are the pages that have dedicated to

588
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:14.039
this for many years. There are
no previous photographs of Pamela Robinson. The

589
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:19.760
mom didn' t have any pictures
for the kid to see and tell her

590
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:23.239
that' s Pamela. When we
go on TV, you say that'

591
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:30.960
s not there. Of course,
when all this is done, the mother

592
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:36.960
gets in touch with Pamela' s
family to explain all of this. The

593
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:43.679
family of this Afro- descending girl
tragically deceased, would not be made public,

594
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:45.719
would not make public anything, have
not spoken to the press, have

595
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:52.519
not presented themselves, had contact and, to everyone' s surprise, a

596
00:53:52.159 --> 00:54:00.960
peculiar detail of the child coincided a
lot with Pam Once while the mother was

597
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:05.280
looking for a song on the radio, she ran into a station where she

598
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.760
was singing Stevie Wonder, that singer
from the seventies up to around the eighties

599
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:15.199
and who was very famous, a
person with weak visual glasses Afro- descending

600
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.880
who sang and did things and the
child suddenly listens to that and starts to

601
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.199
do it and dance and the mom
tells her you like it. Yeah,

602
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:24.000
I love it. When they come
home, he puts more songs and the

603
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:30.079
child seems to know the two years
old. I don' t want to

604
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.199
see that two years old and the
kid seems to know them. When he

605
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:37.000
talks to the family of pam the
family tells him that yes indeed, Pamelia

606
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:46.679
loved the songs of this subject.
Stevie Wonder. Having come to that conclusion

607
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:53.639
and known who little Luke was,
he seems to have left behind. That

608
00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:00.039
as if those memories were no longer
necessary, as if all that in oblivion

609
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:05.360
remained there, no one charged a
penny. We need to clear this up.

610
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.599
The TV show didn' t pay
anything, it wasn' t to

611
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.159
be paid for. It was just
an interview. There was no publication,

612
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.920
no movie rights, nothing. It
repeats the same thing. Fraud. It

613
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:19.960
' s a very bad fraud.
He exposed his son. He showed it,

614
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.320
risked it and nothing at all.
It' s been many years.

615
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:25.360
I could have written a book by
now. He' s not interested.

616
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:31.400
Everyone goes on with their world,
they go on with their lives. So

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there are two interesting cases there and
you' ve noticed the coincidences. In

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both cases, deaths were violent and
premature. In the case of James Houston

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Jr' s little man. He
was a twenty- one- year-

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old boy, a young man with
his whole life ahead of him and who

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died tragically and suddenly. I was
at war. Of course, something could

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be expected to happen, but he
died in a very violent way. As

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for Pam, Pam, she also
died in a very violent, very sad

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way, at a very early age, thirty years, the whole future ahead

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of a tragedy. In both cases, the return was relatively early, unlike

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people who remember having been Napoleon or
who remember living in Egypt. So I

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don' t know five thousand years
like that. In these cases in which

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the memories are extraordinarily strong and come
by themselves, not through regressive hypnosis or

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through therapies of past lives, but
come by themselves, there is a constant

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and that constant is that people had
died in the last incarnation prior to it

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in a violent way as young people
and return very soon. In addition,

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memories become very efficient or, at
least, very noticeable in a period ranging

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from one and a half years to
four years. From that moment on,

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the memories are erased very quickly.
What used to be a memory now seems

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more like something read, not something
of its own. You miss that.

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There is only this window of time
that is absolutely indistinct. It doesn'

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t matter if he was a man
or a woman in a past life,

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it doesn' t matter if he
was of a different race or a different

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color. None of that matters,
as you shouldn' t have it in

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real life for that person to have
those memories. Tonight we wanted to share

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only these two cases because they have
caught our attention strongly and they are cases

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that, as you see, are
recent and give us an idea that perhaps

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and only perhaps, this is not
the only tango that we dance you,

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that thinks very good nights and that
you rest in peace