Ovnis, el gran secreto

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Hello everyone, how are you?
My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, the

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journalist, writer and director of the
Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. A

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few weeks ago, a prestigious scientific
journal published the research signed by eleven scientists

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who claimed that different masses of plasma
up to a hundred meters in diameter were

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orbiting our atmosphere. They were even
approaching some of the NASA ships and this

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group of scientists. What I was
saying was that this was another vision of

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the OMNI phenomenon. These plasma objects, which could be circular, some had,

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for example, also a cone shape, intelligently placed a phenomenon that had

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never been collected until now and that
however, what it does is give another

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dimension to the OMNI phenomenon, since
for many scientists those plasmas could be a

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door between this and another dimension,
as if they were the objects that send

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us here to earth to communicate with
us, although we still do not understand

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their language. But if you want
to know about this much more, don

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' t lose. The last mystery
night podcast on Caracol Radio Omnis, The

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Great Secret Mystery Night Juan Jesús Vallejo, on the 23rd of November of a

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thousand nine hundred and forty- four, in the middle of World War II,

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the four hundred and fifteen air squadron
of the United States Army was flying

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over the region of Alsace Lorraine,
the border of France with the north and

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that afternoon, several of the pilots
were able to see different spheres of light

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around one two meters in diameter flying
near them, but they had no wings,

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they had no propulsion systems, they
were able to fly far faster than

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they were, and that scared them
and they gave part to their superiors.

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I repeat, 23 November of the
year one thousand nine hundred and forty-

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four. Four days later, on
the 27th of November of the year nineteen

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hundred and forty- four, Lieutenant
Henry Gilt and technician Walter Clery also saw

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a bright sphere around about two meters
in diameter, again flying above them about

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five hundred meters, very close forgiveness
and also spent super fast going them at

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a speed of four hundred kilometers per
hour. Again they gave part to their

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superiors. A few weeks later,
in December, there were two net sightings,

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in this case not only of one
sphere, but of two spheres,

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in this case of orange colour.
In particular, it was Lieutenant David mcfals

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and Major William Leed who had sightings
on this occasion, already directly on German

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soil and on Austrian soil. On
January 2, 1994, the New York

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Herald Tevium reported on these sightings,
saying that the U S military was tremendously

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concerned about whether it was some sort
of Nazi secret weapon. However, they

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thought it was a secret Nazi weapon. Why aren' t we attacked?

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What has long nazis to catch and
has a plane or prototype of many better

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ships than ours. They chase us, they follow us, they run over

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us, they play with us,
but they don' t attack us.

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And the funny thing is that while
this was happening on the Allied side the

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Nazis, the German planes were also
seeing these kinds of objects as well.

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This story became so famous among the
Allied pilots that they decided to call these

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spheres of light foo Fighter, which
means firefighters. No one could ever explain

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what the Fu Fighters were. Obviously, it wasn' t any kind of

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German prototype or any secret German weapon. It is very curious because in World

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War II between one thousand nine hundred
and forty- six thousand nine hundred and

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forty- six, the Swedish government
complained to the Germans because they saw different

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ships shaped like cigars in Swedish airspace, and the Germans said that this was

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not theirs. In one thousand nine
hundred and forty- six the same sightings

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were again given and then Sweden complained
to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,

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which also told it that this was
not its own. And it is that

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until nineteen hundred and forty- seven
we did not begin to talk about the

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UFO phenomenon thanks to the sighting of
a man named Kenneth Arnold in the mountains,

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on Mount Rainier, in the United
States, where the famous expression flying

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saucer was coined. I repeat,
that was up to one thousand nine hundred

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and forty- seven. No one
at that time, between forty and forty

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- six, could have thought that
ships from other worlds might be visiting our

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planet. But the phenomenon of the
foo fighters was real and marked the Allied

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pilots, I repeat during the last
stage already of the Second World War.

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And the question that arises is what
milk are those spheres of light. They

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have a technology so tremendously different from
ours that we are waiting for the unidentified

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flying omnis objects. What other world
ships are here, we think they'

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re going to be made of bolt
plate with rivets with an engine, so

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it' s got propulsion. We
have no idea what technology they have is

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more and if they don' t
come from this galaxy and if they don

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' t or came they have from
this universe, if they come from a

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multiverse and if they come from another
dimension. Their technology and the way they

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operate has to be and is so
different from what we have on a technological

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level that even imagining it is already
a challenge. I' m sure they

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' re here. I find it
curious and intrigued by why they have such

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an interest in our wars. Why
they have so much interest, for example,

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in nuclear weapons, as there are
countless sightings by OMNI around military nuclear

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facilities. I have no idea,
because if they were preparing some kind of

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invasion, I think it would be
the slowest invasion in history. They'

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ve been preparing it for, like, 2, 000 years, three,

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thousand years, four, zero years. It doesn' t have any sons

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The thing is that it' s
there and it challenges us. And a

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few weeks ago, in a physics
magazine, an article was published that says

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that in ten NASA missions no longer
objects have been filmed, but spheres of

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plasma or plasma cones or even some
sort of plasma donuts that moved about 200

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miles above the earth. Some think
that this kind of plasma, plasma,

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would be the fourth state of matter. Then we' re going to comment

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on it could be biological entities or
not, or a type of ship of

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a technology so different from ours that
we have trouble imagining how that can go

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through space or the multiverse. When
we speak of the omni phenomenon open your

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minds do not be grided forget all
that you have taught us, forget about

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the science and technology that we have. We open the mind to other dimensions

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and to a multiverse, to a
magical cosmos full of infinite possibilities, many

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more than our mind can ever imagine. And what the OMNI phenomenon teaches us

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is that we are very little and
should be much humbler. My name is

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Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want
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you decide what' s behind it
and what' s not. And here

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we are a great family, in
the family of mystery. You know I

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' m doing an author' s
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have a trip the second half of
April for the road to Santiago. There

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are no more squares. There is
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to make Turkey, to walk along
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will do that will be in the
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Again to enjoy the magic of the
pyramids and navigate the Nile, the river

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of life and eternal magic. And
we' re starting now without madraction.

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Alejandra Barnal, partner friend, how
are you? Very well, Juan ge

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a greeting to you also for our
guests of exception of this program, Jorge

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Lui Suftdorf and Fernando if you ebra
is Silva Hildebram from Argentina, Rodrigo Bravo

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in Chile and, of course,
a huge greeting for all the people who

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hear us through the podcast that we
publish every week on the YouTube channel of

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Caracol Radio. Juan that there is
a very special program for me, for

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my Christmas, whenever there are this
kind of news about the phenomenon, I

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love them, they fascinate me.
For me this is the best and I

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think that today we are going to
debate and analyze what, at least for

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me and for other researchers and experts, is probably one of the most important

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scientific articles of the last fifty years
related to the UFO phenomenon. It is

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impressive what was published a few days
ago in the journal the off Aftrophysic Science

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Go little man, but indeed,
a scientific journal that publishes one that has

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to do with the OMNI phenomenon And
suddenly, the scientists that many of them,

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because they do not have the mind
precisely very open to these issues,

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begin to debate certain possibilities that,
notice, are more crazy than we ever

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imagined, that is, small clouds
of plasma hundreds of meters that move,

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that make angles, that have been
filmed by NASA ships And it is something

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that for me is an informative bombshell
story that I owe to a Mr Good.

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Here we are the family to the
mystery, today the family of the

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mystery very to the south cone,
because we have two good friends in Argentina

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and a good friend in Chile.
And we owe this news to him,

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who sent it to me this week
and I don' t remember or what

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I had for this Saturday and I
took it and said no, because we

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have to do a program of this
to our good friend Rodrigo Bravo, Chilean

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military pilot, who is right now
from Punta Arenas. Friends, good night,

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how you are Hello John Jesus,
listen to me well, We listen

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perfectly to you, Rodrigo, how
you are with Jesus Alexander. Thank you

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for the invitation, Thank you,
for sending me the article that I think

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or the proofreader that was Monday.
Yeah, on Monday, everyone sent him

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a hug, man. Thank you, I don' t speak English,

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but you gave it a translation and
I also passed it on to Alejandro and

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so they' re giving me more
data and I thought it was really historical,

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what do you think of that news. You also, as an aviation

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pilot Rodrigo Bueno, is one as
Alejandro well said in the introduction, this

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document is a scientific publication, that
is, with academic rigor, that had

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an editorial committee to be published at
the end of last year. It was

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published in January of this year,
that is, very fresh and clear information.

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For me it is an extraordinary question
which, in one other way,

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as it points out, is a
report, which is a study with twenty

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- four points of what, in
a way, we are looking for many

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years ago, which is to try
to explain phenomena that are to this day

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an enigma for the academic world that
has already become involved in this, for

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the aeronautical world and for all lovers
of mystery. The fact that ten academic

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entities, universities, eleven scientists are
here is no less. I mean,

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this wasn' t done by one
or two people. It was done by

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eleven people who, in another way, agree that here there is a much

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more interesting question and that for the
first time we see that with the rigor

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that the academy has, we begin
to speak already in other scenarios and in

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another way, for me and we
have always commented here on your program the

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most challenging phenomenon in history. Yeah, right and aside, let' s

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see good. I have commented and
made the introduction with the topic of the

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foo fighters, and then I will
read the translation that Rodrigo Bravo sent me,

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because in that translation it is also
spoken of foo Fighter, that the

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foo fighters, because there could be
the possibility that these plasmas were also coming

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down to earth and that they are
interacting with us, that it seems to

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me a possibility with fabulous sincerity,
even perhaps also to think that those plasmas

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could become extraterrestrial biological entities. And
you have to think that not all the

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biology of the Universe has to be
like ours hears. Rodrigo, look.

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I' m going to read the
translation you sent me. Okay, perfect.

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It says plasmas up to one kilometer
in size and behaves similarly to multicellular

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organisms. They have been filmed on
ten separate missions of the NASA space shuttle

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more than two hundred miles above Earth
within the thermosphere. These self- illuminated

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plasmas are attracted by and can feed
on electromagnetic radiation. They have different morphologies.

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One cone type, two NUBE type, three Donna type, four spherical,

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cylindrical and have been filmed. This
is super important. Flying down and

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down from the thermosphere into thunderstorms,
congregating into groups of hundreds of groups of

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hundreds. Flips with this and interacting
with satellites, generating electromagnetic activity approaching space

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shuttles. Computerized flight path analysis documents
that these plasmas travel at different speeds from

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different directions. If they change their
trajectory angle, making changes of forty-

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five ninety- eighty degrees and follow
each other. They' ve been filmed,

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speeded up, slowed down, stopped, congregated, and it goes on

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or I' m going to read
it, but I' m going to

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Argentina. They' re both out
there. Well, Jorge, Luis Subdorf,

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partner friend, how are you,
friend, now I hear you perfectly,

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Jorge, how wonderful Hello Ale Hello
Rodrigo fer too, and many greetings

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to all that huge and wonderful family
of mystery. Thank you very much,

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Jorge, I want to ask you
for your opinion of this news that sends

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me to Rodrigo Bravo this Monday,
which I also immediately. I sent you

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and holding on to hille Bran that
I' m going to give her way

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now. What do you think of
this news? First, I think it

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' s wonderful that scientists, a
group of eleven scientists, get involved in

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investigating this. And then I think
it' s also breaking the fact that

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we' re always thinking about Chapa' s omnis screw there with the contra

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Chapao and the guy and the blowtorch, we see the alien with the blowtorch

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there giving it. And maybe the
phenomenon of mine is very different. What

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do you think of all this,
Jorge, let' s see, I

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think of several rather thoughtful things.
The first thing I think of is to

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look at it. How important when
science takes ten minutes to start working and

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thinking about these issues. It'
s not like it' s a good

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thing It' s starting to revolutionize
right away. This I do not want

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to sound derogatory, because surely they
were working much longer than ten minutes,

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but I mean in the total of
scientific research, to start raising these questions

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that we ask ourselves from the beginning
of humanity, seems wonderful, of course,

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and I think it is very good, as well as institutions and people

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begin to see it from their point
of view. I' m not surprised

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at the conclusion. In fact,
I am convinced that omnis exist and I

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am convinced that I have no idea
what they are and that for me the

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extraterrestrial hypothesis is just one of them. Now, in a lot of documentaries.

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The research issue that I had raised
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on the subject is about life and
what life is. And I think it

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a lot today about what life is
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talks about looking for life on other
planets. That which Jorge Luis Subdor has

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said seems to me, but crucial
what life is, because we are looking

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for technology similar to ours and we
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maybe, this is much more complex. I remember once we were talking to

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a scientist and he said no,
because he passed the omoamúa what it'

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s called I' ll say the
word comes out to me. It'

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s not a comet, it'
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have any radio signals, because it
means it doesn' t have to do

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with being smart, but to see
what it means to see aliens have to

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communicate with radio like us and watch
the tele operation. Triumph also speak English

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and see big brother you know how
flip. Anyway, well and here we

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also have my good friend Fernando Gill
de Brand, director of the YouTube channel

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recommended, in the southern cone,
in Argentina, in the city of Buenos

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Aires, because this gentleman gets the
best interviews on the continent. It'

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s worth the super recommended science signal
and mystery YouTube channel. Fernando, partner

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friend, how you are, How
cute, friends, how nice to be

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gathered with this data, with this
information, Thank you for the invitation Juange

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and nothing available. Listen, Fernando, the first compelling question is what you

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think of this scientific article that,
from my point of view, is a

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bombshell and that I think Jorge has
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that, maybe we don' t
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I fully agree with Jorge, I
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also have a few opinions on this
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seems very well- armed to me. In fact, I' m already

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moving to interview one or two people
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good, to see if we can
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possible and ask them because I have
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didn' t get to read it
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seeing is that, although there is
a very interesting study on some things fall

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into generalities that I think you should
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them out. I' m not
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been published, or that this is
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Dr. Aransbro who is one of
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quite upset this week and the week
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because it might have been approved in
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know if the magazine was still out
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to be published and if this is
the final version. Anyway, talking to

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Andres Price Mondina, another great friend
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she started making some contact with Ansbrogh, I' m trying to touch others

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of the scientists and it looks like
we' re tracting there. But what

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gives me doubts about some things that
the paper shows or at least the tone

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or the place where it seems to
go to the paper, is to rush,

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to draw conclusions. I' m
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little review here about something that the
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seventeen and that' s a question
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you wonder if it' s that
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for example, from the United States, meet up with plasma uofnis ups and,

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in fact, they show some screenshots
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Mellon Flear the one from the tecta
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these videos you see something amorphous that
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and this amorphous looks like this because
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is a flier camera that only makes
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object. So, from that point
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that here, at some point,
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two- four limit event, when
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had all seen this. I don' t know where they get it.

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is really not where they get it, because I interviewed alexand Ditrich pilot who

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was there and told me that it
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a well- sized object, that
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theirs about fourteen meters and that it
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it was a giant tik tac,
a giant mentita. Then I don'

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t know. There are things I
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' m the first Mexican. It' s called science mystery and science mystery

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review I' m the first to
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m very happy with this. Now
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to read thoroughly and try to understand
what is being done in these kinds of

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initiatives that are great, but that
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are taking all the data that are
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a good appreciation of Fernando gil de
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it' s Jorge Rodrigo. When
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okay that I' m not happening. I think it' s really good

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what Fer says about depth. I
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believe that time should be given to
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come to and to be able to
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s also an interesting point in running
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down truths to us. I mean, science hasn' t touched on these

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issues before because it knows it can' t put truths and the times it

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' s put truths, it'
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that the concept of the hypothesis is
very good and that they begin to correct

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the errors and what they have to
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but if not, let' s
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a truth, because we already know
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I wanted to comment on one thing
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to the program understand it. That
there are many who do not know what

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the incident of the Nimich of the
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think I' ve told it a
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doesn' t know him, there' s basically a pilot named David Frevor.

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True I' m Frevor, who
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the radarman says also tells him there
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to the topic of hypersonic missiles.
Says hey I have some very rare echoes

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on the radar of supposed objects that
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sea level. In a second and
that' s impossible, I mean,

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it can' t be, but
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as far as there is one of
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he suddenly flies over the sea.
He comments that what you see from under

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the water an object the size of
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would be an identified flying object,
the other would be an unidentified underwater object,

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about two meters and that when he
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two objects, one under the water
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water disappears and gets into the depths
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speed. Then he goes to a
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the pilots and so and at the
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filmed and the video is called Tik
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' s another ephe eighteen that already
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these things are in these videos.
What was there was a kind of hand

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plant. I think there. I
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wanting to explain now all somnics as
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absolutely impossible. The phenomenon is much
more complex. Rodrigo Bravo, we'

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re quiet. Tell me something I
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that it is Fernando already making efforts
so that in his program he can interview

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the part of the staff that made
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a way, to supplement some information
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plasma means, that it is a
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that, in a way, here
in this report they clearly state that this

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presents a way of life but inorganic
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discuss that here with our colleagues on
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still not supposed to take a plasma
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laboratories or trials to try to imitate
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studying. I understand it' s
ten space missions. Yeah, and that

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' s very interesting. That is
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some missions that are so controversial.
There is one I remember that it was

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a video published in March of one
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if I am not mistaken, that
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- five, where indeed, they
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in the last layers of the atmosphere
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different luminous spheres and until now,
that video that was leaked, that it

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became very common that we saw it
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to say until recently I would say
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that accepts the reality of this unknown
Aryan phenomenon and that it does not

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know what they are until before that
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anger taken into account, nor was
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then. For me that is a
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it is not just that it is
being recognized if this in another,

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non- incidental way, but that
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says or so do Mr Jorge.
This is an approximation and the academic articles

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are precisely so that they can be
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contrast or make the rebuttal that corresponds
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that' s the good thing,
that this is already generating controversy in

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different spacious academics, and that'
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were saying that it was necessary and
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involved to investigate this. I'
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telling me about NASA from the 1990s
and so much is an experiment NASA did,

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that they released a huge wire because
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from the earth, create energy and
take advantage of it that didn' t

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work a damn thing and they started
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But absurd. I remember that video
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s what it was. I don' t know what space dust it was

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and it was ice play or it
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didn' t happen. All filming
hones is very crazy or something very interesting,

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especially what we' re talking about
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America. John is that, at
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there is no scientific consensus on this
so far as Shan. Kirkpatrick resigned the

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hoop address a week ago, thank
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they put another just as useless.
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But what John does today is look
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scientists do not reach consensus. NASA
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t know what it is. Laro' s hitting him, too. The

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worst thing I' m sorry I
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t know. What they don'
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' t want to investigate if they
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re generally denialist. This doesn'
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theoretical frameworks from the point of view
of science that these scientists who carried out

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this paper took hold of was John
Ge, a theory that is known as

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the theory of the electrical universe,
which was created by a Swedish Nobel Prize

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in physics, which was therefore awarded
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last century. Annest Halfen Hlvin commented
on the following Juange and listeners that basically

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the universe was a fair mix of
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antimatter, gave it another term.
I called it ambi plasma. And within

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this theoretical concept developed by this man, the ambiplasms would be this kind of

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particles created from plasma, which would
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interact with each other and, above
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time. Juange, you have to
keep in mind that within cosmology. This

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was a theory that was refuted at
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this study and say eye we are
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with what Halfven postulated more than sixty
years ago. We should not completely rule

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it out, but in principle,
this gentleman who postulated the seoria does not

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speak of that being biological entities.
This yes, I think it is being

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posed with the article that Rodrigo passed
me, that it was the exact term

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Juange, that scientists use is that
they are non- biological plasmas, that

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can represent a form of prevention.
Is it what God the Holy One,

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who revoked what he thinks and fernan
two hil of Bron a form of prevention?

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What do you think of it makes
you a little weird too that I

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love. You know I love the
pre- life way, but you know

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I think it' s a very
interesting point. But very very interesting what

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they are proposing, because it seems
that I entered perhaps with the stoppers with

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the paper, because I was reading
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say this, but I agree very
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happy that this happens. Eye,
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the truth is that, besides I
am the first to ask science or not

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the first, but that joins the
group of those who ask that science come

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and collaborate. Then I can'
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subject of the previty group is something
very interesting. In the year two thousand

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twenty- two, for the first
time I began to talk with Dr Nestor

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Berlanda, a doctor in psychiatry,
who investigates the phenomenon very deeply many years

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ago. Co- author of the
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which is the first book dedicated to
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in South America. And he was
telling me look there' s something that

411
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the first thing he tells me is
to investigate this and you told me to

412
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.239
the clouds of Cordilevski, the clouds
of Cordilevski. Well, I' m

413
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:30.639
looking. Cordilevski is a Polish astronomer
who in the year of nineteen hundred and

414
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:35.320
sixty- one discovered that there were
clouds orbiting almost like satellites, as if

415
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:40.639
it were the moon around the earth. And these clouds are clouds of dust,

416
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:46.599
where there' s a lot of
concentration of plasma. Well, I

417
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:51.199
' m still talking to him.
He makes an amazing presentation of Congress or

418
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.440
victory, where he begins to talk
about the phenomenon and includes the idea of

419
00:36:54.599 --> 00:37:01.039
plasmoids as forms of life, as
another way of life this state of matter,

420
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:07.960
proposing a way of life that we
do not identify as life by just

421
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:14.119
not sharing biology, but that does
maintain some of the basic premises, which

422
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:21.159
are relationship, communication, nutrition,
reproduction. Well, these studies have been

423
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.599
carried out, in fact, since
the years would be approximately one thousand nine

424
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:29.679
hundred and ninety- three. I
think it' s until ninety- nine

425
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:36.280
the real academy force, British Air
Force presents through one of the academy,

426
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:38.280
through a university that I don'
t remember now. I' ve got

427
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:43.079
the PIPER out there looking for it
and I can' t find it in

428
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:47.920
which they already talk about plasmas that
behave like life forms. There' s

429
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:55.559
a history of this, but it
could also generate some kind of contact with

430
00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:02.159
the witness of unidentified flying objects,
something very interesting. It is deeply interesting

431
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:09.360
because they had made a survey of
people who had seen plasmoids, plasma spheres

432
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:15.599
or larger or smaller plasmas, and
who had heard a voice, sometimes an

433
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:22.599
inner voice, sometimes not, that
talked with these people. The study proposed

434
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:29.360
that they could be two things,
either that plasmoy of that form of life

435
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:35.599
was communicating with the witness, with
the experimenter, or there was the magnetic

436
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:42.280
field of this plasma generating some kind
of ghost effect on the person' s

437
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.159
brain. Either way, the two
possibilities were pregnant and even in that paper,

438
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:51.239
for the first time they talked about
sofnis as waps. It' s

439
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:52.880
a very interesting paper that I'
m going to try to send to everyone

440
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:58.480
at the table tonight the next tea. If this way of life, which

441
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:02.440
is what Verlanda proposes, whether it
is a way of life or whether it

442
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.320
is connected. Perhaps and here we
can go to Jack Vallet and Carl Gusto

443
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:13.679
b Jung if this is connected with
another reality, with another dimension, with

444
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:20.880
another with a parallel universe, because
Berlanda' s proposal is that it happens

445
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:25.599
if these plasmas, which have a
different existence than ours that physics, according

446
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.559
to physics, could also interact with
reality in another way and to other spectra

447
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:37.119
are a means of communicating intelligences that
are on the other side until using them

448
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.599
to get here. I insist on
this. It' s very interesting.

449
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:47.119
There is a long way to go
and it seems to me that this is

450
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.440
something that we definitely need to pay
attention to. These videos Rodrigo is talking

451
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:54.679
about are great. I' ve
seen them remember, many years ago.

452
00:39:55.159 --> 00:40:00.519
It really looks like you' re
watching and I recommend to the audience to

453
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.400
look for them on the Internet,
because there are videos of these missions you

454
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.960
can find on YouTube. Looks like
you' re seeing a petri plate with

455
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:13.719
cellulite moving around and, actually,
you' re looking at space. The

456
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.079
interactions that occur there are those described
by the paper, interactions of something that

457
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:23.960
seems to eat up another persecution,
encounters and repulsions, as if they were

458
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:30.280
communicating what is opening up to us
right now. I think it' s

459
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.880
a huge one, it' s
a huge sandbox to go play with and

460
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:37.360
it' s fascinating. Nothing and
I don' t say anything anymore because

461
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:38.920
I don' t have a person. If you don' t, don

462
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.480
' t worry. There' s
a lot to say. Yeah, sure,

463
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:45.880
I think that' s great You
told me that Nestor had, Nestor

464
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.719
Errlanda, that he had that studio. I talked to him during the week,

465
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.559
he' s a charming gentleman and
I love him, but we couldn

466
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.199
' t match this week and he
was at family' s house and he

467
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.480
couldn' t come in live either. But in fact, the little informs

468
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:01.800
what more Sdon Nestor what little I
could see and such was that he raised

469
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:10.920
the possibility that these plasmas could be
as a door to other realities or that

470
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.840
they used them from other realities to
communicate with us, which I find super

471
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:22.760
interesting. I think Rodrigo Bravo wanted
to comment. We listened perfectly, Rodrigo,

472
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:27.519
perfect. Hey, no. I
wanted to make a small, a

473
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.519
small parenthesis based on the same thing
that comes out in this publication, which

474
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:37.119
is where they have been filmed or
where they have been recorded and these plasmas

475
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:43.599
have been seen, and the publication
is noted here as the luck of average.

476
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.320
This is filmed about three hundred and
sixty kilometers is what the atmosphere is.

477
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.960
That is why they refer to the
thermosphere, that is, the atmosphere.

478
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:59.079
It is the fourth layer, the
atmosphere that is between eighty kilometers and

479
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:05.440
eight hundred and is an extremely lax
layer, because those that we know of

480
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:10.880
telecommunications communication are also known as the
ionopheta. It' s where the waves

481
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.800
of the eleven- metrists or the
HF radios bounce. Then, during the

482
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:22.039
day this layer is opened extends and
reaches from eighty to eight hundred kilometers and

483
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.119
then in the night it is reduced. Therefore, during the night the frequencies

484
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.679
are very noisy or it is difficult
to communicate by radio in the frequency of

485
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:37.960
HF. But for us to get
an idea, it' s eight hundred

486
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.800
kilometers, that is, the distance
from London from Madrid, it' s

487
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:45.239
a thousand kilometers. Barity is a
dimensioned one, or we sometimes have as

488
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:50.719
some confusion of the distances that are
in the escape from the atmosphere, because

489
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.360
we are accustomed to all the metrological
phenomena of the vast majority of them being

490
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.239
in the first layer, which is
where they develop between quotation marks in life,

491
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.880
which is why it is interesting to
see this as this paper, with

492
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.239
what they speak of a way,
but primitive and that is the tropopher,

493
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:10.119
which is up to the nine the
eighteen kilometers. That' s where all

494
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.320
the weather phenomena happen. There are
circles, the planes at last, but

495
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.599
the rest up, like we have
some ignorance and this is too much,

496
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:23.559
it' s many miles. We
understand that satellites circulate or in some way

497
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:29.360
do the circum- vegation between one
hundred and thirty- five zero kilometers.

498
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:35.599
The ICS, the international space station, makes its seasonal geoorbit at 400 kilometers.

499
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:37.760
I mean, this is way up
top. It' s very high

500
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:42.679
up. And that is very important
because also in this paper it is pointed

501
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.599
out that some of those plasmas,
which can have up to a mile long,

502
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:53.840
in some occasions, descend and that
is where I make the center for

503
00:43:53.880 --> 00:44:00.199
the head and goal that when those
electromagnetic effects descend, because that here we

504
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:07.480
are speaking clearly of electromagnetic effects,
they can affect perfectly people, seriously humans,

505
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:14.559
perhaps in living beings or other living
beings. So it' s very

506
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.559
important to contextualize that this is very
high in the fourth, in the penultimate

507
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:24.079
layer of the atmosphere and that if
in some circumstances they go down or have

508
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:27.559
been registered, and they, that' s why they make that comparison,

509
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.679
either with the subject of the fighters, or with the subject of the videos

510
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.960
that were classified from the report of
the two thousand twenty- one, which

511
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:37.960
also put it as reference in this
paper. Through other experiences we can now

512
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:45.880
solve almost fifty percent of some zoophological
records around the world. How nautical they

513
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:52.119
are related does not have much similarity
to the records and to the description that

514
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.320
is made in this report. Then
it' s very important. What we

515
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:58.840
know here is that it has been
published, that it has to be refuted,

516
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.079
that it has to be discussed.
Perfectly that' s what this is

517
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:07.800
all about, but already the first
step, the jump is already given to

518
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.000
understand something that was until now an
enigma and was something very complex in that

519
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.239
sense. I think Rodrigo is absolutely
right. I mean, let' s

520
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.679
see. I think it' s
wonderful that science starts talking about this,

521
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.559
so notice that they haven' t
gone for the most normal omniss, for

522
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:28.639
the number of cases there are,
although they fixed the important thing also the

523
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:36.000
note of Ferrando Hillebrand, who have
begun to relate omni cases very famous with

524
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:37.320
these plasmas that I think is wrong
there. There I think one thing is

525
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.320
one thing and another thing is the
other. But it is laudable, because

526
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:49.119
science so far was basically total and
absolutely negationist. Or hopefully, science would

527
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:54.639
go into other cases. But whether
we want it or not, this is

528
00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:00.000
progress. Now it' s all
you do from my point of view,

529
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:04.960
talk more mystery to the phenomenon,
that is, surrounding the atmosphere. There,

530
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:09.079
too, in parts of the atmosphere, as Rodrigo said, there are

531
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:15.519
such plasmas, and perhaps they have
to do with OMNI phenomena more conventional than

532
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.400
why not, because it cannot be, as Ireland says, that they have

533
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.760
to do with these somnis and they
are like a kind of door to another

534
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:29.000
reality. And all the more so, the OMNI and Jorge Luis phenomenon is

535
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.199
complex, which has been investigated all
over the continent. It' s just

536
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:37.000
that drawing a conclusion is I think
practically impossible. I' m gonna try

537
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:43.119
not to steal too much time,
but I' d like to be a

538
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:44.639
small description of a lot of things
that aren' t clear. Little ones

539
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:50.199
don' t hit it first when
Rodrigo gets there. Like you did to

540
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.880
me. This paper seemed interesting to
me, especially because I, last year,

541
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.960
one of the programs, of the
documentaries that I made, is that

542
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.920
it was one of the episodes of
the series that I did with Jaime Mausan

543
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:07.079
was just talking about NASA and by
eighty percent what we put were videos recorded

544
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:14.719
from the space station and from others
this elements in the space where strange objects

545
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:21.280
were seen, passing near the space
station or in the distance, or entering

546
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:25.239
the atmosphere or coming out of the
atmosphere. Many videos, there are lots

547
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.119
of videos that are all taken from
official pages, especially NASA. I mean,

548
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:36.639
they' re not videos that you
see things that no one has been

549
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.360
able to explain and no one has
given you an explanation and this is a

550
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.400
first, a first approach, an
explanation. I think that' s wonderful.

551
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:49.960
Obviously, when we approach the earth, whenever we talk to witnesses or

552
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.719
talk to ufologists, they have always
put the plasma omnis or the energy omnis

553
00:47:53.840 --> 00:48:00.440
as one of the strongest variables that
many times science. It has even been

554
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:07.360
fought and it has been said that
they are errors and confusions, for example,

555
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:14.159
with globular rays, these strange rays
that become balls of energy and that

556
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:20.239
they can be from a few microseconds
to a long time in one place,

557
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.320
globular rays. These kinds of things
have appeared many videos that have not been

558
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:29.920
seen, but you see strange objects, as it is for me and this

559
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:36.239
I take to personal point, the
video that the air force of Mexico recorded

560
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.519
in the year two thousand four that
for science at some time they said were

561
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:45.360
oil wells, but you have the
pilots saying that they are passing their lives

562
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.679
or they were not oil wells,
that they were going very fast, obviously,

563
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.480
and they could have an explanation with
this. And many of the omnis

564
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.360
phenomena, as you say, could
have an explanation with this. Now,

565
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.360
this would be talking about two or
three things. First, he' d

566
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.400
be talking about a phenomenon that wouldn' t be extraterrestrial, because it'

567
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.199
s inside our atmosphere. In other
words, it would be a terrestrial phenomenon

568
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:13.079
and it would be one of the
variables that must always be sought, that

569
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.360
are natural phenomena that we do not
know and that give explanation to much of

570
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:19.559
the phenomena. I think this is
a phenomenon that would somehow be natural.

571
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.559
And there he goes. The second
argument is whether we' re talking about

572
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.960
life or not, and for that
we have to try to define life.

573
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:34.239
I always take a definition of life
that gave me to see. There are

574
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.280
two people who for me are brilliant
to listen to. One is certainly Nestor

575
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:44.599
Berlanda, who has a different head
and reasoning and who is amazing and wonderful.

576
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:52.519
The other one is Germán. Gate
restrepo Germán ando has given me many

577
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:57.320
of the definitions that I later,
for many years, have deepened and searched

578
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.079
and I remember that he once in
one of the first interviews I did to

579
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.760
him, we were talking about life
and the search for intelligent life or extraterrestrial

580
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:13.000
life. On the part of science, thinking above all about exobiology and so

581
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.199
on. And he gave me something
that was fundamental. He was telling me

582
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:22.559
when we went out looking for something, we have to define what that something

583
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.559
is in order to find it.
And he was telling me the simplest definition

584
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.039
of life that we used to go
out looking for it. In the universe

585
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:36.719
it is any element that can pass
its adn to a new element. There

586
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:42.519
are a million different definitions of life, but that is the denition that we

587
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.480
seek to go out to seek life. Well, all this would be out

588
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:51.119
of that definition, even in that
sense I know. If we thought of

589
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.639
the spiritual life, it would be
out of this definition. Also, that

590
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:58.239
is, there are many other things
that could be life, but that somehow

591
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:02.440
we should understand how to define life
in a very broad sense so that we

592
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:06.039
can understand whether this is life or
not. Obviously, after life, we

593
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:14.679
should pass like this can be extraterrestrial
life, intelligent life, forgiveness and technological

594
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.480
life, if we can call it
in some different way, because I know

595
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.920
that with many people we would debate
that there are actually a lot of animals

596
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:29.440
that are intelligent, but that'
s not why they have formed a complex

597
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:30.400
and technological society like the one made
by human beings. And there' s

598
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.960
the other question that doesn' t
have to do with the subject, but

599
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:38.119
I leave it pulling why we are
the only beings on the planet, in

600
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:43.079
so many millions of years of life
that it has evolved in such a different

601
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:46.039
way and this is a question that
I think is the key to absolutely everything.

602
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:54.840
So, with all this panorama,
it seems to me that continuing to

603
00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:01.079
look for how to explain certain things
also strengthens what has no explanation, because

604
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:05.880
there I agree with you, and
I agree with what Fera said before and

605
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:09.840
I also agree with what Rodrigo said
and even with what he said ale that

606
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:15.320
not all phenomena are explained with this
look and that there are a lot of

607
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.000
phenomena that come out of this look. So what we would be in some

608
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:22.440
way if we confirmed this, I
think, from how little I understood and

609
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:27.559
how short my understanding can be,
is that we would be talking, as

610
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:32.880
I said at the beginning of this
monologue, about a natural phenomenon that would

611
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.639
explain to us a lot of omnis
phenomena that we didn' t know what

612
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:39.800
they were. I' m not
right or not. I think that yes,

613
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:44.239
I mean, let' s talk
about this could explain part of the

614
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:47.280
OMNI phenomenon. Now what you'
ve said great notice, the definition of

615
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:53.840
life, not any element that can
leave its adn then to another individual.

616
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:58.360
And if this is Marty' s
plan theorizing, making a hypothesis here that

617
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.800
' s inventing me, then let' s be clear. And if these

618
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:06.519
plasma portma are life forms that are
billions of years old that were created and

619
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.639
are simply there and can have no
offspring or anything. And in other words,

620
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.440
go to know that the problem that
I think and I would like Fernando

621
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:21.800
and Rodrigo' s opinion is that
it' s that, we' re

622
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:28.599
going to investigate the OMNI phenomenon with
a very Earthly forgiveness vision. You let

623
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:32.639
me interrupt a cycle. I had
to put some little thing Jorge had on

624
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.199
the same note of this as I
meant. And there is another detail that

625
00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:42.280
is very interesting and that I united
it freely, and that is all that

626
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.119
began to be discussed about life in
the clouds of Venus. Oh yeah,

627
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:51.159
and I would ask if I couldn' t have anything to do with hoping

628
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:55.320
to find life in places we didn' t expect. That was the last

629
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:58.840
thing I needed to say that it
just had to do with what you were

630
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.079
saying. It seems clear to me
that, indeed, we have this concept

631
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:06.639
of life that Germán Puerta defines very
well. Not that it' s an

632
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:12.599
individual who leaves DNA his DNA to
another individual. But if there was a

633
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.480
way of life. For example,
what I said would take billions of years

634
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:20.920
to live. The universe I think
is thirteen zero million years old and it

635
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:23.519
' s a primordial form of life
that can' t pass on its adn

636
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:25.000
to The best thing is that it
doesn' t have i adn. I

637
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:28.480
mean, it' s one thing
that doesn' t fit our heads.

638
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:30.880
I always set the same example.
The day that if one day there was

639
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:35.880
a contact with an alien civilization,
I always talk about the same movie.

640
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.039
Up there suddenly the ship doesn'
t even come in and out and there

641
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:44.440
' s some kind of octopus and
he talks to you in some really weird

642
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:49.239
circles. It' s just that
you know, that' s as much

643
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.519
as we want to imagine. I
think it' s impossible, I mean,

644
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.519
we' re seeing as a tip
of unic seeing that we don'

645
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:59.559
t understand. That' s my
opinion. Fernando gil of brancarte you a

646
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:04.159
lot that these streets was listening with
great attention and, indeed, with many

647
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:08.320
joys. I totally agree with what
Jorge Just quoted, because I was thinking

648
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:14.320
of a part of the paper in
which they quote carl Sagan and clear and

649
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:23.960
his ocubrations regarding the possibilities of finding
life in Jupiter' s atmosphere and how

650
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:30.679
this kind of search, at least
intellectual, of how that life in Jupiter

651
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:37.119
' s atmosphere could be could coincide
with what is expected of a plasmoid that

652
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:42.960
has life. What we are finding
here without realizing and which I think is

653
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.519
super interesting and has been treated by
everyone at the table tonight, is the

654
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:51.840
following and it was also I think
that the first thing we start the program

655
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:58.880
What is Life, because here I
have in front of me Art Day Live

656
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.440
are alive. That' s the
question you ask in the paper. So

657
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:07.440
we have to start studying reality in
another way, and this is also a

658
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:13.639
way of expanding the horizons of consciousness
and clear reality, because if you are

659
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:21.440
suddenly already aware that there is not
only biological life or that it would not

660
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:25.559
exist, we are going to put
it there as an attempt only biological life,

661
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.800
but that there are other forms of
life that can be totally different.

662
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:36.639
Then we are already facing a subject
that gets much more exciting because it multiplies.

663
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:42.400
Let one know by how much the
chances of finding life in the universe

664
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:47.599
of finding it in our own planetary
system. This is I insist with this

665
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:52.519
and we have to pay attention to
the references in the paper, for example,

666
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.039
because this is a work that has
been done for a very long time.

667
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.159
For example, here I had stood
out and I want to believe them.

668
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:06.719
Just a second. The overall picture
of the phenomenon obtained so far shows

669
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.559
that the radiant potency of the phenomenon
varies reaching values of up to nineteen kil

670
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:15.840
watts. These changes are caused by
sudden variations of the surface of the illuminated

671
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:19.920
area, due to the appearance of
groups of luminous balls that behave in a

672
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:28.000
thermally regulated way. Other anomalous features
include the ability to eject smaller light balls,

673
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:32.760
some frequency change not identifying the BLF
range and possible metal particle position.

674
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:44.639
I' m talking about this paper
here. I am not talking about a

675
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:51.079
paper published in June of the year
two thousand four for maximum Teodorani, which

676
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:57.440
they cite as the chief investigator of
the Gesdallen Valley lights who are considered to

677
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:02.760
be plasmas. Just then this is
like a breakthrough. In that sense.

678
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:08.239
There is a scientific pre- existence
of this kind of search, so we

679
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:15.199
have to pay close attention to the
reconfiguration, also of our understanding of what

680
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:21.039
a way of life is and where
we can find it that seems fascinating to

681
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.119
me. A new world opens up
here. Yes, of course and I

682
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:29.920
was remembering when you just said the
lights of gestalem forgiveness in the Scandinavian Peninsula

683
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.599
that would also be like plasmas.
And the pictures that there are have that

684
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:36.800
form of plasma. That this was
investigated by scientists and they could never explain

685
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:40.039
it. Find an explanation. I
was remembering another phenomenon, the light in

686
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:44.960
my mind in Australia, for example, which is such a phenomenon or forgiveness.

687
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:49.480
You who are Argentine and I think
it is also in Chile, the

688
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:52.840
very famous bad light that goes to
people through the pampa and then, suddenly

689
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:55.840
comes to a light. But the
bad light, for example, does not

690
00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:00.559
interact or, be it look.
You three who know about bad light.

691
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:06.119
Bad light is something that scares people, but it does not interact with people

692
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:08.719
who are abdutions and, as in
other cases of the OMNI phenomenon, it

693
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:14.480
is very different. It' s
like more I don' t know how

694
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:17.960
to say it, as simpler,
as less complex. Not what you think

695
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:24.559
Rodrigo Jorge, Good agree is that, in reality, here this question is

696
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:34.719
so extensive because the phenomena that we
have discussed, discussed published has such an

697
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:40.679
immense variation that of course, this
publication helps in a certain way to reduce

698
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:45.800
what is doing science, reductionism,
in order to try to understand certain things

699
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:52.320
or, in this case, certain
phenomena that are ununderstandable. Indeed, as

700
00:59:52.519 --> 01:00:00.000
Fernando very well says, this paper
has as reference or articles of retor difference

701
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.119
that of Teodorani and the two thousand
four and clearly, there is a chapter

702
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.199
of this paper or an article that
is the number fifteen, which is precisely

703
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:13.239
the reference of one thousand nine hundred
seventy- six, when calp Siguen theorized

704
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.840
about the possibility of life in the
atmosphere of Jupiter, precisely with a way

705
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:23.480
of life different from that which we
have conceptualized. So here we enter where

706
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:30.079
this multi- disciplinary debate finally begins, because different areas of knowledge are required

707
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:34.760
to be able to face this type
of information at the level we are talking

708
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.159
about. First, of physical elements, second, with a behavior that has

709
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:43.719
already been detected during at least ten
space missions. Third, they are in

710
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:46.320
an atmosphere, but at the same
time they come down and they can be

711
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:54.159
made present or visible, even practically
the surface and there we have a solution

712
01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:02.880
for certain manifestations that were still unknown
now. But what about those observations of

713
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:07.360
phenomena that are introduced, for example, in the Volcanoes. They will be

714
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:12.800
within themselves, they will be of
the same type, they will be similar,

715
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:14.719
they will be cousins, they will
be brothers, they will have nothing

716
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:16.239
to do with it. That I
think is already an edge that has to

717
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:21.960
be investigated by other specialists who,
otherwise, also see those records and start

718
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:29.440
to gather this information. Because in
the end, indeed, if we take

719
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:34.880
the caseuistics, much of that caseuistics
could be solved, leaving some still unknown.

720
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:37.239
But it could be settled. But
if you don' t talk about

721
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:42.239
a world of possibilities that are even
more complex. As Jorge rightly said,

722
01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:46.159
the theme of life itself is not
only that of life, but if we

723
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:51.920
see a star map and realize the
sidereal distances of the Universe, if we

724
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.119
realize the age of the Universe,
which is thirteen seven hundred million years,

725
01:01:55.280 --> 01:02:00.360
and we see that at that age
of the Universe, if we make a

726
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:04.280
calendar from one January to thirty-
one December, we appear on thirty-

727
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:09.119
one December at eleven fifty- two
in the night. It actually gives way

728
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:14.960
to think that there may be thousands
of other forms, not just of life,

729
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:20.119
but of any number of possibilities of
everything and that we are just opening

730
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:24.000
up a little bit. We are
awakened, that is to say we have

731
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:30.239
always been present for today we are
already opening this debate where it has to

732
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:36.599
happen, which is precisely with a
argument with references, where we can specifically

733
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:42.519
understand that this is a little more
complex and that, as Einstein rightly said,

734
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.679
it has already been shown that light
behaves as a wave and as particles.

735
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:49.199
Well, it' s time to
put it into practice. Indeed,

736
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:51.119
no, and here' s a
very crazy thing. Also, for example,

737
01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:53.639
fix that note so good that it
has made Rodrigo Bravo right now.

738
01:02:54.639 --> 01:03:00.480
How many films there are of spheres
of light entering the search the other day

739
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:05.960
we interviewed Rafael Mercado, the Peruvian
researcher, journalist, researcher who told us

740
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.719
cases, for example, in the
Volcanoes, that there is near the city

741
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:16.280
of Arequipa Vaya. Debate I do
not know if we are going to draw

742
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:19.760
conclusions today or we are going to
ask more questions, I think there is

743
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.800
one thing that is clear, that
we all love that science gets involved in

744
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:27.760
this. Now there' s a
super complex thing going on, because it

745
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:31.960
' s not the typical omni that' s coming and it' s abducting

746
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:37.360
or taking out the videos. The
pentagon is not a fourth state of matter

747
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:44.039
and it seems that what it does
is that it behaves intelligently. Fricaro that

748
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:46.719
while I was listening to all the
guests tonight, a case came to mind

749
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:52.079
that for me is the craziest thing
in the history of ufology, but that

750
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:54.719
is key that can have a connection
with this and that would give it to

751
01:03:54.800 --> 01:04:01.760
another dimension. I am talking about
the 12th of July of the year one

752
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:11.320
thousand nine hundred and eighty- four, in a Soviet ship on Sayud seven

753
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:13.000
the following happens. I' m
going to read here as well as litras.

754
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:16.920
The cosmonauts of Sayud seven reported seeing
a strange orange glow around the spaceship.

755
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:26.000
They thought it was initially a gas
leak, but it looked like the

756
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:30.960
entire station was surrounded by an orange
cloud. As they looked at her,

757
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:35.719
the cloud was taking shape. Suddenly
there was a kind of explosion of orange

758
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:43.880
light that blinded them. When the
astronauts regained sight, they looked outside at

759
01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:48.400
the gates of the ship and what
they saw amazed them. They described having

760
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:59.239
seen seven colossal- sized angelic figures
shining and floating in space next to the

761
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:04.079
ship. These winged figures remained on
one side of the Russian station for ten

762
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:14.920
minutes before disappearing, the Aznauts were
called quizin alone. Jeff and Actov described

763
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:19.800
that as huge figures, even saying
they could get more than twenty- four

764
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:26.920
meters tall guys and if this plan
more escape after becoming angels and even religion.

765
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:30.639
It has to do with this.
I think I' m saying,

766
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:38.039
so making that case of the seound
seven crazy seems to me to be something

767
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:41.239
tremendously spectacular. What do you think, folks, I don' t even

768
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:43.719
know who it was to talk to
anymore. So there you have the bugs

769
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:46.039
and comment what you want, but
I suddenly remembered this case isn' t

770
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:53.280
the only time aside. Tell me
Fernando, it' s been a while

771
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:58.480
since Fernando Hillebran spoke. It'
s two seconds, that' s all,

772
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:04.480
and I think I' m gonna
slide and hard, but Mira was

773
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:10.840
listening to you, I was listening
to you and I' m coming up

774
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:10.840
with a moment of reflection from those
moments that you sometimes try to hide.

775
01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:15.280
You know I was just remembering this
salut seven event, which is so,

776
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:20.360
so strong, that Andrea appeared Montini
and had the opportunity to talk to one

777
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:26.559
of the cosmonauts that well, this
cosmonaut told them what' s going on

778
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:32.599
is that these angelic angelic figures greeted
us from the outside, that the greeted

779
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:40.119
gave, moved those limbs like hands
and did as a greeting, and we

780
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:43.280
couldn' t believe it. Best
of all, when that crew goes down

781
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:47.519
to the ground, they tell them, well, they probably had an oxygen

782
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:51.719
problem. Maybe it wasn' t
the right concentration and they were hallucinating.

783
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:58.719
The second mission that replaces them sees
exactly the same thing. And that'

784
01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.519
s when there' s no explanation
anymore. I don' t get that

785
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:04.639
out. It' s very,
very, very interesting that case and they

786
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:09.119
have many edges. Now. Suppose
it' s plasma, suppose that plasma

787
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:15.159
is alive and intelligent. Suppose that
plasma is not only alive is intelligent,

788
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:21.719
but, as Verlanda proposes, these
clouds that are orbiting the earth of dust

789
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:29.920
and plasma could be a sort of
cloud of information from the entire history of

790
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.880
the planet and these forms of life
have access to that. Imagine that those

791
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:43.440
life forms, to try to seem
friendly to us, decide to take a

792
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:48.599
form that we can identify as an
angelic form. That speaks of an intelligence

793
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:58.480
very, very, very symbolic,
very powerful, because in addition they would

794
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:04.000
be somehow also reading the history of
humanity. But to that we' d

795
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:08.360
have to add a little detail,
which I think we don' t have

796
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:13.920
to lose sight of tonight' s
NASA source. Ninety- nine point nine

797
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:23.800
percent of the visible universe is plasma. It' s made up of plasma,

798
01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:28.840
so if this fourth state of matter
is the ninety- nine point nine

799
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:35.479
percent visible in the universe and there' s plasma life in that whole universe,

800
01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:43.800
maybe we' re taking as primitive
life forms something that' s been

801
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:48.279
here for a long time and that
we can' t even start thinking or

802
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:56.119
understanding the kind of intelligence that it
can get to have, because if these

803
01:08:56.239 --> 01:09:00.359
things could communicate with each other in
a way that we still don' t

804
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.359
understand how all life is, try
to do it. Let' s put

805
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:08.960
planets by I don' t know
cells or by bodies, and try to

806
01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:14.239
communicate between them, between the different
bodies of a planetary system the information they

807
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.720
would have access to. I think
a hundred million years we could begin to

808
01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:21.399
understand it. I mean, I
threw myself in the pool, and it

809
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:25.520
was going to be anything there,
and that speculation was nothing more, but

810
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:30.760
ninety- nine percent of the visible
universe, yes, it' s a

811
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:31.920
fact that it' s a figure. What you said seems wonderful to me.

812
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.720
No throwing yourself in the pool,
I mean, I think it'

813
01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:39.920
s great to see that I was
thinking about maybe because I took this case,

814
01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:42.399
which is that it came to me. It came to mind. And

815
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.960
now I' m going to say
one thing. The most disturbing aspect of

816
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:49.119
the OMNI phenomenon is worth the redundancy, and here are five researchers. Today

817
01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:58.479
is when those objects or the crew
members of those objects approach us and are

818
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:03.920
able to enter our mind notice that
curious about the seven sayut it is worth

819
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:11.359
that suddenly that thing, which was
plasma, takes the form of angels why.

820
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.399
Because if you want to communicate with
someone, it' s better to

821
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:17.880
go as an angel than not as
a demon. But how do they know

822
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:21.560
they have to be angel- shaped
and not rabbit- shaped, for example?

823
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:27.079
Sure, sure, I mean,
that' s the sheath, I

824
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:31.680
mean, I think the key'
s right there. What do you think

825
01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:38.800
is really tremendous? I think there' s a topic here that actually spread

826
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:45.720
a little bit, which means the
dimension of what we' re talking about,

827
01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:53.199
which is very complex. Or I
think here, when we start,

828
01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:56.079
there' s the turo. We' re doing philosophy. It was logical

829
01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:58.359
around here, yes, but it' s great. I mean, we

830
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:00.680
' re five onion grandparents chatting.
There' s no lack of wine.

831
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:02.560
I' ll get a bottle,
I' ll get one. But it

832
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:06.279
' s true, that is because
in the end I think that the greatest

833
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:10.279
challenge we all have is to forgive
Rodrigo who cuts you from knowing what milk

834
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:15.039
the phenomenon is. Yes, yes, there we have and since we are

835
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.399
and as Fernando says, that he
threw the pool after waiting for Jorge'

836
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:23.880
s swimming pool, I am going
to throw mine asta that here there are

837
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:30.000
two phenomena that are fundamental that we
have discussed in other programs, which is

838
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:33.319
the original phenomena of our civilization,
myth and primitive religion. I invite you

839
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:39.960
to deepen in one other way.
There is a book that is extraordinary called

840
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:44.880
The elemental form of the religious life
of Emiliam Durkem, where it is a

841
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.760
little established that precisely primitive religion goes
hand in hand with these kinds of phenomena

842
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:57.720
that are considered as religious. But
to what extent, to what extent this

843
01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:01.199
kind of demonstrations I' m not, I mean, my pool doesn'

844
01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:05.560
t have as much water as the
braking that might have a different way to

845
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:08.840
get into the heads of some people
who are witnesses. They may be,

846
01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:12.159
they may be, and in fact, Jack Valet wrote it down. Our

847
01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:15.720
relander wrote it. Frede Alexi Llaga
in Chile wrote it. That is to

848
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:17.159
say, that is already for euphology
and that is an area that I,

849
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:23.079
the truth is that I do not
manage so much, but I do agree

850
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:27.439
that this, in one other way, has another character and it must be

851
01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:31.159
analyzed also with people who, hopefully, have a much deeper understanding of what

852
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:36.039
symbolic language and semiotic language means,
at the same time with what is iconography,

853
01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:42.880
iconology, lexiology, in short,
because there it seems a component that

854
01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:47.159
is linked to us, to our
culture, to our civilization. I don

855
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:50.560
' t know if the archetypal point
of view is no longer that. That

856
01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:55.439
' s a subject for many more
programs, but here we realize that this

857
01:12:55.479 --> 01:13:00.840
is the tip ifer So, here
we could develop a lot of ideas that

858
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:06.239
clearly wish every specialist in their area
could go deepening it, because slowly it

859
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:12.279
opens this and I find it fascinating. Look. I think the five of

860
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:15.359
us here are doing like those eleven
scientists. There' s something you don

861
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:19.279
' t understand. They tell him. Let' s throw balls at this

862
01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:24.439
and see if we bring something up
against Alejandro, it' s not really

863
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:26.880
that Rodrigo tell me they' re
going to see don' t Dale,

864
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:31.520
sorry, sorry Rodrigo just said something
great, because in reality, this is

865
01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:32.640
happening a long time ago and it' s still happening. One of my

866
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:39.079
journalistic sources is John Ramirez, who
is a retired CIA agent, who was

867
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:44.680
in charge of an orb research program
for the CIA and for the United States

868
01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:48.800
Geospatial Intelligence Agency. I didn'
t know that' s what I'

869
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.039
m giving, what a tip.
He' s given a few interviews.

870
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.399
He' s in an impasse right
now. That' s why you haven

871
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:56.880
' t interviewed him for a while. I don' t know why he

872
01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:00.199
can' t give interviews, but
what I do know because he told it

873
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.479
publicly and then I could consult him
privately and he told me exactly the same

874
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:08.399
thing. It' s just this. When you ask this man why he

875
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:13.079
suddenly decides to ask permission from the
CIA to start talking about these orbs,

876
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:17.640
these orbs that are like spheres of
light. He explains. What happens is

877
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:21.439
that when I met one of these
sips, with one of these spheres of

878
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:26.479
light, he approached me and told
me that I had to talk about this,

879
01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:31.159
that I had to communicate it.
He gave me a way and even

880
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.680
told me a person I had to
talk to and get in touch with,

881
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:39.680
that I can' t say his
name. Look at this because if this,

882
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:45.000
as Rodrigo says, has been happening
for millennia, well, we would

883
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:51.800
also have many answers regarding religions,
beliefs, events that sometimes seem fortuitous and

884
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:57.520
that may not be so much just
that nothing, but it is that you

885
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:00.279
too are on the spot, as
said Rodrigo. I mean, let'

886
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:05.119
s see the theme is that the
UFO phenomenon has changed the history of humanity

887
01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:10.640
and that' s a beard.
Let' s see everything takes that new

888
01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:13.560
testament and opens it if it turns
out that there is a sphere of light

889
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:16.840
that goes through the sky and separates
in the house in which they are going

890
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:21.359
to make the messiah, Jesus Christ
takes it there is worth it or it

891
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:25.680
is a sphere of light that goes
through the sky and is to be committed,

892
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:27.520
do not stand on top of a
house. You know what I mean,

893
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.840
and that' s the signal that
initiates use to get to that point.

894
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:33.560
In three, only three kings,
mare Mago, yes, indeed,

895
01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:36.640
that this is very controversial, because
really in the Bible, in which we

896
01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:42.640
have it in Greek, says Maggie, says Mago exactly John, who we

897
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:46.439
were talking about, that I think
this debate is wonderful about various referents from

898
01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:50.760
the point of view of science and
as I was right to say in a

899
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:58.439
previous block annest Halfven this Nobel Prize
in Swedish physics, of which our theory

900
01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:03.199
of the electrical universe is derived and
which spoke of this particle of ambiplasm and

901
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:09.960
came to mind Juan Ge also of
other referents that we have mentioned a lot

902
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:15.960
in these spaces a research that the
Italian American scientist Rullero Santilly did on an

903
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:20.199
antimatter telescope, an investigation that was
published in the year two thousand sixteen that

904
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:26.800
by the way, also had an
impact on the British press by Daily Express

905
01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:30.159
and basically what he published at this
time. At that time, this scientist

906
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:35.439
is that he had developed a telescope
of concave lenses that allowed him to detect

907
01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:40.960
antimatter and at one point in one
of his investigations, he decided to set

908
01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:45.680
a trap in flower exactly Juan Ge
and decided to point that telescope towards the

909
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:49.600
sky here, towards the atmosphere instead
of the stars, instead of the stars

910
01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:56.119
and found entities or particles or beings
as he calls it, which, according

911
01:16:56.199 --> 01:17:00.600
to Rugiero' s vision and hypothesis, santill were like a kind of vigilant

912
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:05.520
beings that would be from the sky, looking at interacting to a certain extent

913
01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:09.439
with us. And it will be
to us that these beings that this man

914
01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:11.159
was able to grasp, would also
be these plans. Well, those beings

915
01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:15.640
also had the same form. They
were cylinders, they were spheres that were

916
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:18.359
angel- shaped. They were cylinders. Sphere or similar to that of this

917
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:23.760
study and very similar indeed to that
of this study plus that from Santil.

918
01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:26.960
It' s funny because you put
it on the Internet. The program that

919
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:31.119
I did at that time, on
Blue Radio about these flipping then, of

920
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:38.279
course, must also be taken into
account. Jorge Luis sub Torf friend,

921
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:44.159
what do you think about already taking
out the wine and you were already here

922
01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:45.039
take out the wine and tell him
we didn' t all stick to the

923
01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:51.159
pool. I' m here listening
and enjoying. I would tone down the

924
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:58.720
expectation a little, because for me
it is report. What he is explaining

925
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:02.960
to us in large part is that
he opened up a new phenomenon to explain

926
01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:08.840
several things, but he would be
running us, at least in a first

927
01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:12.239
instance, I think, from a
matter of life or intelligence. As much

928
01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:15.239
as they say he' s moving, but they don' t say he

929
01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:18.159
' s moving will either. That' s the first thing I think about

930
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:21.359
and another one or I' d
like since I' m a little bit

931
01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:26.720
more. He' s not sceptical, because I think every time you explain

932
01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:29.039
something, he' s magnified what
he' s explaining to us. But

933
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:32.920
I think this would give us a
more coherent explanation of a lot of things,

934
01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:35.760
which is what we have to look
for. We have to always try

935
01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:42.680
to rule out everything possibly explicable and
then ask ourselves what has no explanation.

936
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:47.800
These scientists are rehearsing, I think, a different explanation, but an explanation

937
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:53.960
that would enter into a more natural
world. I mean, I think it

938
01:18:54.000 --> 01:19:00.239
would run from us thinking of a
technological construction of some civilization that is coming

939
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:03.720
that is watching us or of all
these hypotheses, although clearly, this does

940
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:09.000
not explain everything in any way.
It does explain a part, if they

941
01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:15.560
can explain it, because I think
the road is really very long on the

942
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:18.520
subject of the Angels and all that
is more of a case. I,

943
01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:24.399
when I did last year' s
show, found many other similar accounts,

944
01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:30.720
some more direct, others more indirect, but there are many cases of strange

945
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:39.560
things among astronauts that usually end up
posing as hallucinations. But it' s

946
01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:45.479
disturbing how they repeat that I know
I' m going to delirious to the

947
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:47.720
other side and I think you all
will know. But all these theories are

948
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:51.880
developed on a trip to the stars
in a wonderful way, and I think

949
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:57.199
seeing the stars travel with pencil and
paper in hand helps to try to explain

950
01:19:57.279 --> 01:20:03.720
many things a real wonder. This
pool we have all given ourselves, if

951
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:09.880
in the end the issue of the
OMNI phenomenon, which is that it is

952
01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:14.039
very complex. That is because it
is something that I am convinced, that

953
01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:18.479
I have modified human history, that
has changed our thinking, that has to

954
01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:24.000
do with religious phenomena. I always
put the same case. I haven'

955
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:28.800
t had an OMNIA sighting. So
say my mother, this is a pass.

956
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:33.000
But, for example, researching these
issues and another day I' ll

957
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:35.680
do a podcast of that. I
have already promised it several times when I

958
01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:40.039
find a case in the jaen billiards
year, in a thousand nine hundred ninety

959
01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:46.720
- six, and I end up
working and lying at the Arab Euro Foundation

960
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:53.039
to be able to translate three words
that were written in tamasig in ancient Saharan,

961
01:20:53.359 --> 01:20:58.960
into a stone that falls to a
man who throws a gentleman right at

962
01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:03.600
him in a good sight OMNI is
one is as if this wanted to communicate,

963
01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:08.800
as if suddenly he took archetypes like
angels, as if suddenly they tried,

964
01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:13.439
for that to throw messages through an
ancient writing. And well, we

965
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.439
' ve started talking, trying to
understand the OMNI phenomenon, although the key

966
01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:18.960
and I don' t remember anymore
or who actually said it, I think

967
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:27.520
it was Jorge or Rodrigo or Fernando
I don' t remember, is that

968
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:32.680
this group of scientists what they are
doing is, like estata, a totally

969
01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:38.359
new phenomenon, novel, although the
videos were there, as Fernando Hilder said,

970
01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:41.520
and the videos are clearer than the
water. But, as negationism always

971
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:46.399
said, ice is dust space.
I don' t know what, and

972
01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:48.840
now, all of a sudden these
guys say it' s not even nostalgic

973
01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:55.039
dust. It is a new phenomenon
that we have to face and what I

974
01:21:55.079 --> 01:22:00.279
find incredible, although Ferrando Hildrran has
criticized them a little because they vary is

975
01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:05.760
that they have had to face the
phenomenon. The open mind and they'

976
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:12.319
ve said hears and if it'
s a kind of life form, even

977
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:15.840
if we don' t understand it, it' s trying to communicate with

978
01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:20.039
us. I think the key and
the shots I think go around, Rodrigo

979
01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:24.199
Bravo, who has been talking to
us about what you think for a long

980
01:22:24.199 --> 01:22:26.239
time, is that I think that
this is a new phenomenon above all.

981
01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:30.560
It is one of more clients of
the Homni phenomenon, it is one more

982
01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:32.960
side. But we must also understand
there the very definition they give that,

983
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:38.880
as plasma, it is composed of
trillion electrons, the neutral electric field and

984
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:42.319
photons. And when we talk about
photons, we talk about light. When

985
01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:45.920
we talk about photons and we talk
about light, there' s something very

986
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:48.359
interesting, which is that light,
yes or yes, sends energy package.

987
01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:55.399
And that, in another way,
we begin to talk already about what is

988
01:22:55.439 --> 01:23:00.920
called quantum superimposition, that that is
already very interesting, because we have to

989
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:06.760
start to internalize that small subject that, at the same time allows us to

990
01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:15.119
understand sometimes the very abnormal behavior of
these manifestations or this plasma by its own

991
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:19.279
characteristics, that is, when we
talk about quantum superimposition, that is,

992
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:24.199
that two particles of light can transmit
information without being connected to each other.

993
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:29.399
There, from a philosophical point of
view, we are talking about magic of

994
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:33.079
the physical point of view, we
are talking about quantum overlap, but we

995
01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:40.479
must begin to discuss and begin to
understand, because how many optical cases today

996
01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:45.479
we have in that as a range
of possibilities today can solve or, at

997
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:50.600
least, approach a solution with this
hypothesis that is being put forward here,

998
01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:56.079
that are largely ionized plasma, that
is in some way in layers of the

999
01:23:56.119 --> 01:24:00.880
atmosphere and that, under different circumstances, approaches the super And in that approach

1000
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:03.960
of the surface not only interacts with
whoever is flying, but sometimes even with

1001
01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:10.600
people who are on the surface.
And that' s already an extraordinary advance

1002
01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:15.159
and I think we have to go, as Jorge says very well, step

1003
01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:19.319
by step. True, this requires
much more study and more deepening, more

1004
01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:27.319
debate, but we already give a
light at the end of the tunnel remember

1005
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:30.279
that and be honest. Before two
thousand twenty- one, this is completely

1006
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:34.840
closed, without any possibility of not
even discussing it, because if we discussed

1007
01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:40.199
it, we were talking about fantasy
or science, fiction or here we are

1008
01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:46.920
talking and already things that are at
least presented to be refuted. So it

1009
01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:51.680
' s a substantial advance. If
this is part, if this is part

1010
01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:57.399
of the UAP classification that originated the
two thousand twenty- one and that comes

1011
01:24:57.479 --> 01:24:59.800
the two thousand twenty- two said
to culminate the two thousand twenty- six.

1012
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:01.760
If today, two thousand twenty-
four we are talking about this already

1013
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:04.880
as a form possibility of it would
priminate. I guess we' re going

1014
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:08.640
to talk about next year to my
person who' s going to be in

1015
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:10.640
the two thousand sixteen, it'
s not going to be hilarious. I

1016
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.039
' ll get the wine. The
next one brings me the wine. But

1017
01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:17.760
look what Rodrigo said. So important
that that kind of plasma can have a

1018
01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:24.760
thing called quantum overlay. That means
you can communicate through those particles of light

1019
01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:30.880
that have a reflection, a mirror, not in this galaxy within the universe.

1020
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:38.520
And that' s a barbarity,
because that' s what some researchers

1021
01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:41.479
have talked about in an American.
I don' t remember the name now

1022
01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:45.600
that I was commenting that the OMNI
phenomenon was just like a kind of movie

1023
01:25:45.680 --> 01:25:50.199
that sent us from another part of
the universe, that they weren' t

1024
01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:58.680
even physically here, and then of
course this plasma thing seems wonderful to me,

1025
01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:03.399
because of course it can be communicating
with a part of the farthest part

1026
01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:04.439
of the universe in an instant without
having to travel at the speed of light.

1027
01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:09.479
That opens up the possibility that I
think is also what Nestor Berlanda was

1028
01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:14.439
proposing, that it is unfortunate that
he was not able to record him for

1029
01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:17.960
a few minutes this week, which
is that this is like a species,

1030
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:21.840
these plasmas as a kind of door
to other fixed realities. The philosophical things

1031
01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:25.079
I' ve put on and I
haven' t taken weird, the only

1032
01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:28.119
thing I' ve missed today,
in the absence of any, was the

1033
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:30.479
glass of wine, the next one. Next time, I' ll bring

1034
01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:31.520
it along, and it' s
good to stress it again. I think

1035
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:35.840
it' s wonderful that science gets
into this and what you' re describing

1036
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:42.159
is a new phenomenon that has to
do with the OMNI phenomenon, because we

1037
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:45.439
' re really talking about things that
fly unidentified. I' m not going

1038
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:50.199
to say objects, because plasma would
be the fourth state of matter, but

1039
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:56.520
that interact with us and have all
that complexity and that you can even talk

1040
01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:59.640
about them being a way of life, even if we don' t understand

1041
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:00.600
it. I think it' s
wonderful. Well, what' s also

1042
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:06.279
been news a few weeks ago if
it went super viral. I don'

1043
01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:14.079
t know if you' ve seen
it in particular, it was in Iraq

1044
01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:19.439
that a video of a jellyfish-
shaped OMNI was leaked, and there was

1045
01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:26.840
also talk of the possibility that that
jellyfish- shaped OMNI was also an extraterrestrial

1046
01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:29.479
biological entity. Alejandro Banal Tell us
that with all luxury of detail. It

1047
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:35.000
basically hears this record that was obtained
in October from two thousand and eighteen at

1048
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:40.840
a U S military base in Iraq. We' re talking about a few

1049
01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:44.880
years ago. It was leaked and
published through the media by an old acquaintance

1050
01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:48.880
of this program Juange, Mr Jeremy
Corbell, this documentary artist who mentioned it

1051
01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:54.159
the most carte gets all the leaks, because he has some good friends in

1052
01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:58.840
the pentagon. Or this or anyone
who understands it. Fernando Hillebrand, I

1053
01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:01.239
' m sure he can' t
clarify a bit, as you would say,

1054
01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:02.800
in Spain he' s more plugged
in than who knows what. But

1055
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:08.760
very well because of this ot the
plug and has a very good friend who

1056
01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:12.079
is called Jorghnapp, with whom,
by the way, makes a very popular

1057
01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:15.479
podcast on YouTube that is called a
weponist, where, by the way,

1058
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:17.479
they were also analyzing this. But
this video of the Omnime by Usa Juan

1059
01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:24.039
Ge was leaked by a documentary released
by an American television network TMC, a

1060
01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:29.920
documentary called Revolution Omnick, where Jeremy
corbell showed fragments of this video and explained

1061
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:33.119
the context in which it was obtained
and, in effect, was recorded in

1062
01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:38.840
October of two thousand eighteen on an
American base in Iraq. It could only

1063
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:44.560
be detected by thermal camera, because
the object presents temperature variations that are evident

1064
01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:48.000
in the video and something very curious
happens Juan, which turns out that this

1065
01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:53.720
object is flying over this base.
Then he goes to a body of water,

1066
01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:58.720
presumably a lake according to what Corbelle
says is submerged for seventeen minutes.

1067
01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:05.479
After that time, Emerge made a
rather strange move in forty- five degrees

1068
01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:13.600
and the American military failed to appreciate
it. What Corbell and other researchers argue

1069
01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:18.640
about this is that clearly this movement
and these characteristics would go hand in hand

1070
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:24.760
with one of the descriptions that experts
have taken from the US government, the

1071
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:30.960
transmedia capabilities that these unidentified flying objects
would have, an object that was making

1072
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:34.399
a trajectory in the sky. Then
it goes under and water, dives,

1073
01:29:34.840 --> 01:29:40.960
comes out and performs really amazing movements. Yeah, it' s good.

1074
01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:45.800
It is a very different type of
omnim and it practically looks like a jellyfish

1075
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:50.119
and the thermal chamber that was controlling
this American military base, since it captures

1076
01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:55.199
it and the object passes as above. As above it passes above the base

1077
01:29:55.239 --> 01:29:58.199
in such and besides that then the
base to military. Everyone was talking about

1078
01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:02.920
that story that and so forth,
Fernando Hill of Brann, you analyzed it

1079
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:08.800
on your YouTube channel on the science
mystery signal this video. Yeah, we

1080
01:30:09.039 --> 01:30:14.439
' ve been looking at it backwards, forwards, stabilizing it, trying to

1081
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:17.800
find out what it could be.
At first, there was literally talk of

1082
01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:24.199
pigeon poop. Dove poop, the
mother seriously, if you challenge this pigeon

1083
01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:30.119
poop explanation is in the lens of
the House. But no, no,

1084
01:30:30.119 --> 01:30:36.840
no, it definitely wasn' t
this, because, besides, when I

1085
01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:45.840
' m sorry, today we'
re for the Brindis, yes we'

1086
01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:53.159
re serious when you stabilize the video
and you realize that the object rotates slightly

1087
01:30:53.199 --> 01:30:56.199
to its right and returns to centrality. I mean, it' s a

1088
01:30:56.239 --> 01:31:02.560
three- dimensional object that' s
flying over this base and it' s

1089
01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:06.000
going through it on a flight that
the truth isn' t as explicable as

1090
01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:11.600
it is for that first sight.
The other possibility was that it was a

1091
01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:18.199
balloon arrangement widely used for certain festivities
that now I don' t remember which

1092
01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:21.920
were the one that was the researcher
of an Arab party, but I saw

1093
01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:26.359
the balloons ace and that looked like
that. No, no. But besides,

1094
01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:29.359
not only is it a question of
how it looks, it doesn'

1095
01:31:29.399 --> 01:31:32.760
t look like it, but when
you have a balloon hanging from another balloon,

1096
01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:34.880
hanging from another balloon, flying through
the air they go everywhere. Balloons

1097
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:41.880
don' t stay static like this
flying structure. The reality is that it

1098
01:31:41.960 --> 01:31:46.319
' s a big unknown, so
I could find out, so I could

1099
01:31:46.479 --> 01:31:50.039
find out even by talking to some
sources in the United States. The videos

1100
01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:57.079
exist, there are many videos of
this. Apparently, there would be four

1101
01:31:57.079 --> 01:32:01.920
different shots, four different video sources
and that is there would be the video

1102
01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:05.960
where you see the object submerge and
then it comes out of the water seventeen

1103
01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:12.319
minutes later. But it would not
have leaked because obviously, not everything can

1104
01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:17.279
be filtered if they would have been
or would be in the power of Kirpatrick

1105
01:32:17.279 --> 01:32:21.319
' s hoop, good ex te
Ekippatrick, because he retired in December,

1106
01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:25.199
although he is still an honorary advisor. This needs to be clarified, because

1107
01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:30.119
it is Kirir Patrick, of course, and it is part of the material

1108
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:35.039
that they have kept that good nothing
have been published and that we do not

1109
01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:38.560
know were to publish at some point, because surely it is very difficult to

1110
01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:43.399
explain. What the gendarmes who were
there at the base at that time say

1111
01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:48.439
is that they told him the monster
of Espaguetti is the name that you had

1112
01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:59.359
it This is the pasta par was
the name that they had put it and

1113
01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:03.479
that there was no explanation. Literally. The other day of this event comes

1114
01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:11.840
an intelligence agent asks for the videos
are apparently delivered to him this video that

1115
01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:14.479
we can see that there are two. And look out for this, because

1116
01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:17.840
it' s two different videos running
first posts the video where you see the

1117
01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:23.279
monster of Spaguenty passing over the base
and then you see it flying over already

1118
01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:30.680
the lake from which it would have
left after diving is interesting, I think

1119
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:35.319
good material. There' s correlation
with other events, there' s a

1120
01:33:35.319 --> 01:33:41.479
couple of very interesting videos, going
around the web many years ago on this

1121
01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:45.239
topic and it' s not the
first time they' ve talked to me

1122
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:49.439
about something like that. Here,
in Argentina. I remember about two or

1123
01:33:49.479 --> 01:33:55.520
three cases of people who have told
me look, which I saw weirder than

1124
01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:59.720
you think. She looked like a
flying jellyfish. And it' s those

1125
01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:04.079
strange cases that I think are the
most interesting of all, because tonight we

1126
01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:10.439
' re talking about the possibility of
unknown life. Well, I don'

1127
01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:14.640
t know if this would apply exactly
to me. It gives me more the

1128
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:18.960
idea of something technological, of something
physical because of this question of its own

1129
01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:26.159
rigidity. But, well, you
might get prosecuted in some of these explanations.

1130
01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:29.680
Well, yeah, I' ve
commented on it because it' s

1131
01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:32.560
been a very important hate story in
the last few weeks, because there was

1132
01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:38.279
also talk about whether it could be
a kind of alien biological entity. Although

1133
01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:42.199
I agree more with Fernando, that
is because I was also seeing analyses in

1134
01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:45.720
three of the object and that they
turned it and so on. And of

1135
01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:50.359
course it' s weird, it
doesn' t mean it has to be

1136
01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:53.960
a biological entity much less. Rodrigo
Bravo. I don' t know if

1137
01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:55.199
you came from you You' re
a military pilot. I don' t

1138
01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:59.600
know if you' ve come to
watch the video to see some pictures that

1139
01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:01.279
you think of. I checked it
out. I' m not on an

1140
01:35:01.319 --> 01:35:04.520
image list, but I checked it
out. I also did everything within my

1141
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:10.920
possibilities, little possibilities, but of
course it' s a strange video.

1142
01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:14.680
The other thing is that it'
s quite, I mean, it'

1143
01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:17.399
s two thousand eighteen, as Alexander
well said, but it came out recently.

1144
01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:21.640
But I' m struck by two
things and there' s the first.

1145
01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:28.039
To justify a video that has no
explanation, the arguments given to refute

1146
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:33.199
them are more ridiculous. That already
happens to a level that we laugh at

1147
01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:36.960
because it' s absurd. But, on the other hand, drawing attention

1148
01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:42.760
when the pentagon made by Harto Rato
himself or herself has to be giving voice

1149
01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:46.800
to this issue. He says they
don' t comment on the authenticity of

1150
01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:50.279
the material, yes I have leaked, but the defense does have to take

1151
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:55.840
this issue very seriously and I there, in a way, that' s

1152
01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:59.800
the official version. We know that
there are still a lot of things that

1153
01:35:59.840 --> 01:36:01.800
are its underground, a lot of
things that are not going to be known.

1154
01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:06.079
But there is a switch in the
sense that today this is already a

1155
01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:11.520
topic of debate, it is a
topic of conversation. There are already published

1156
01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:15.800
reports, they are every year,
from two thousand twenty- one upwards with

1157
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:20.800
different information. As Alexander rightly said
and read, the concept of transmedia anomaly

1158
01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:25.000
is the one that is best suited
to all these kinds of manifestations today,

1159
01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:30.039
because we insist again. There is
the one observed on the ground, in

1160
01:36:30.039 --> 01:36:38.760
the air, in the sea,
but now and there this idea, which

1161
01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:42.760
is in the electromagnetic spectrum, that
is sometimes not visible to humans, but

1162
01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:47.279
it is visible for electronic equipment or
the other way around. Then I insist

1163
01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:55.319
again. This video itself shows for
a change something that because inside the information

1164
01:36:55.319 --> 01:37:00.279
delivered by Jeremy Corber said I'
m submerging from the UGO for seven minutes,

1165
01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:04.800
but that' s not registered.
So it' s like the attached

1166
01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:11.000
information that complements you to this in
order to give you a context. Anyway,

1167
01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:16.560
as you say the bunch of birthday
balloons or that followed the pigeon poop,

1168
01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:20.479
it' s ridiculous, it'
s absurd, I mean, it

1169
01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:25.279
' s a mockery. Finally,
I don' t know what to say

1170
01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:30.079
is, as I suddenly insist there
if it' s going to be doing

1171
01:37:30.199 --> 01:37:30.840
that kind of analogy, because it' s like making fun of people.

1172
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:36.319
Yes, of course it is as
Jorge Luis Subtor has commented, when the

1173
01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:41.640
OMNI case of Campeche, where eleven
to thirteen objects are seen and the military

1174
01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:45.880
are there watching it with the Chamber, say they are not confused, if

1175
01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:48.880
it is the reflection of an oil
wells that is. I mean, it

1176
01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:54.359
' s more ridiculous than saying they' re extraterrestrial, they' re invading

1177
01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:58.399
the earth, I mean. It
doesn' t make sense, Jorge Luis

1178
01:37:58.439 --> 01:38:00.039
Subtor, what you thought of this
video. I think, on the other

1179
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:02.319
hand, you' re no longer
very convinced. No, no, I

1180
01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:04.600
' m not much of a friend
of this video. I really like the

1181
01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:09.319
explanation you just gave fer and it
makes me think a lot of things.

1182
01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:12.119
I, when I see it,
see it too close to the camera and

1183
01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:18.520
the lens and I would like to
have some more testimony in the first person

1184
01:38:18.600 --> 01:38:21.079
to understand if anyone really saw it. If no one saw him. I

1185
01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:24.880
see it very close to the lens. I see it as something that is.

1186
01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:29.800
No pigeon poop, because it clearly
has an independent movement, but it

1187
01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:33.319
looks like a choreography, it seems
something that is put there on purpose.

1188
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:38.600
I don' t see it believable, so I don' t have the

1189
01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:43.000
truth at all, but when I
see it, it falls to me and

1190
01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:47.239
I see it too close to the
lens, I see that the movement is

1191
01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:51.079
always too organic when something is so
perfect for me, the truth is very

1192
01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:58.000
striking to me. I may be
totally wrong, but without elements to be

1193
01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:01.960
able to raise it more objectively nothing. When we were getting there the other

1194
01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:05.199
day, I was really laughing at
this video. I can be totally wrong.

1195
01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:09.720
What I' m not wrong about
is that I wouldn' t accept

1196
01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:14.399
the wine if it doesn' t
come with some cheeses around it' s

1197
01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:16.159
okay and a little ham. No, I can' t get married,

1198
01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:24.399
or maybe I wish I had some
serrano ham, effect and give a whisky

1199
01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:27.000
here. I don' t know
if they want to give him who lives

1200
01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:29.000
here. You don' t know
how to live outside. Yeah, yeah,

1201
01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:31.520
I' m always here, here' s one forging. Gather the

1202
01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:36.000
choir, it' s coming together, it' s coming together, it

1203
01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:42.359
' s faking one. But anyway, gentlemen, we' ve got ten

1204
01:39:42.399 --> 01:39:46.800
minutes, ten minutes and nothing left. I wanted to emphasize this a little

1205
01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:54.199
bit and how nothing, nothing,
nothing. I see Rodrigo opened wine.

1206
01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:58.640
No. No, no, no, no, I' ll be honest

1207
01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:00.720
when you guys don' t drink
and without that I don' t drink.

1208
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:05.279
Yes, yes, but to complement
it, here we were discussing and

1209
01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:09.039
I want to give a greeting that
my husband is listening to me, is

1210
01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:13.840
my daughter, but I still have
to throw this joke that after the wine

1211
01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:20.279
I am and the ham, the
friends are missing for the night to be

1212
01:40:20.760 --> 01:40:24.119
imperfect, for the night to be
perfect. Your wife, your daughter,

1213
01:40:24.239 --> 01:40:27.960
is listening to you and your cousin, who tweeted. There and from there

1214
01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:31.079
I' m booked everywhere. That' s why, that, that,

1215
01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:36.239
that information. I think tomorrow you' ll have to cook nothing, nothing

1216
01:40:36.279 --> 01:40:38.960
that you told me, that you
make a very good lamb. So,

1217
01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:42.600
so nothing. I have to go
aim at the if we don' t

1218
01:40:42.600 --> 01:40:46.239
get depressed, yeah, hey,
but when you want to come and see

1219
01:40:46.319 --> 01:40:48.159
a spike, I' ll wait
for you with a cordellius and a lot

1220
01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:50.720
of centolla. Come on, I
love the accent already there in Chile,

1221
01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:56.239
anyway, well. Sir we are
coming to the end of the program and

1222
01:40:56.319 --> 01:41:01.000
we have two minutes each that of
course, we have communication plans for us

1223
01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:04.000
to make conclusions and close. Not
that in the end, well, because

1224
01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:09.000
we have this new phenomenon there,
well, new, no, but that

1225
01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:13.800
science is seeing it as new and
as tremendously researchable and that a group of

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01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:17.640
scientists do it, that is,
great and then we have derived in the

1227
01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:21.800
Holy God. This makes the phenomenon
neither more complex nor more complex. Or

1228
01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:27.920
we' re starting to decipher the
tip of ICEBR and we already have a

1229
01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:30.560
phenomenon, part of the phenomenon that
can be related to other things. But

1230
01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:34.640
that' s there and they'
re investigating it and I think this is

1231
01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:39.520
a wonderful thing. So, conclusion
and closing of each. I don'

1232
01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:43.159
t know why? Why do you
want to start, or come for the

1233
01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:44.520
one you want to start? What
do you want out there? That I

1234
01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:47.960
don' t want to send this
with a charade. I' m gonna

1235
01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:49.960
tell you this, and I'
m gonna lock up here quick. No,

1236
01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:54.520
you don' t have two minutes
without fear. And the key to

1237
01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:59.920
this paper should be to pay attention
to the fact that these plasmas have the

1238
01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:06.279
possibility to travel dust in space and
this dust if it contains condrita carbonacia,

1239
01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:12.840
which is something that has been demonstrated
in laboratory, which contains the dust through

1240
01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:15.600
which it functions through plasma, at
least in laboratories here on earth. Well,

1241
01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:21.199
it' s possible that nucleotides and
amino acids that are found in space

1242
01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:30.439
are part of these plasmoids and can
or have the potential, according to the

1243
01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:36.359
paper, to behave like RNA or
even DNA. So this leads to the

1244
01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:43.359
possibility that some plasmas may have an
rn an inner RNA world, which are

1245
01:42:43.479 --> 01:42:47.760
the bricks of life or pre-
life. It' s very interesting and

1246
01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:51.319
to this you have to pay a
lot of attention to Paper After, the

1247
01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:56.880
last thing I' m going to
say the sun also has plasma. It

1248
01:42:57.079 --> 01:43:00.079
' s a lot of plasma.
Ours, our star, is a lot

1249
01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:05.359
of plasma. And that made me
remember Jack Ballet and how Jack Ballet has

1250
01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:13.359
this idea of leading intelligence and the
control system, that there' s an

1251
01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:17.840
intelligence going around. I also remembered
a film that seems to me to have

1252
01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:23.720
marked us all. And that movie
was one of the first scenes that that

1253
01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:29.239
close encounter. The third guy has
a man who' s poor sitting on

1254
01:43:29.359 --> 01:43:32.359
a porch. Yeah, and what
does it say? Last night the sun

1255
01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:35.119
came up and sang to me?
And I repeat it all the time.

1256
01:43:35.239 --> 01:43:40.000
Last night the sun came up and
sang to me, as if a plasma

1257
01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:45.000
had suddenly appeared to him in front
of him and he had said or sung

1258
01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:49.039
something. And we have to remember
that film was justly advised by Jaccoulet.

1259
01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:54.159
It' s a whole world to
discover. I think it' s great

1260
01:43:54.279 --> 01:43:57.239
and I hope we' ll continue
this debate another day. Securely friend,

1261
01:43:57.680 --> 01:44:00.279
listen, by the way your social
networks and people, of course I listen

1262
01:44:00.319 --> 01:44:04.840
to the YouTube channel highly recommended with
the best interviews on the continent regarding the

1263
01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:10.600
topic OMNI in the sign science and
mystery your social networks, Fernando Hilder yes,

1264
01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:14.640
the signal zince mysteries on YouTube seek
it like this directly. This week

1265
01:44:14.720 --> 01:44:17.399
we' re going to have Ablo
Ev right now we' re going to

1266
01:44:17.479 --> 01:44:19.600
be talking about life in space in
a little bit. Let' s get

1267
01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:25.079
you Stephen Basset and we' re
gonna have Kevin Canut, who' s

1268
01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:30.359
another astrophysicist who' s giving you
talk and some other little surprises coming soon.

1269
01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:35.319
So feel there, but also on
Instagram it throws science and mysteries and

1270
01:44:35.399 --> 01:44:40.319
on Tiktok it also throws science mysteries. Thank you very much, my friend,

1271
01:44:41.039 --> 01:44:43.399
for sharing this evening with us.
Jorge, thank you, folks.

1272
01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:47.960
Name You, George or Rodrigo,
who you want conclusion infers the one who

1273
01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:57.039
invited us, the centocha and the
lamb first. Please, today' s

1274
01:44:57.119 --> 01:45:06.039
fine. All right, you guys
gave me give him Rodriguez, man not,

1275
01:45:06.359 --> 01:45:15.039
if you have to organize, if
nothing, give him Rodrigo without fear,

1276
01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:18.439
already good. I insist the limitation
is open. You guys need to

1277
01:45:18.439 --> 01:45:25.119
get organized. I' ll wait
here for you to the point you'

1278
01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:26.680
re finished, that' s good
for conclusion. In fact, I digested

1279
01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:30.039
very punctual things, because this has
no conclusion, but, on the contrary,

1280
01:45:30.600 --> 01:45:35.520
it is open. I do not
know if we deepened it, but

1281
01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:40.960
they left it open that my British
defense history had made, as I have

1282
01:45:41.079 --> 01:45:45.439
already announced, that they were analyzing
this kind of thing and I believe that

1283
01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:48.880
other organizations at the global level,
both in Chile and Uruguay, too.

1284
01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:58.159
But here we need a turro report. Two two the Turros deformes that took

1285
01:45:58.319 --> 01:46:01.039
place between the twenty of September or
the four of October ninety- seven meetings

1286
01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:08.800
twenty- four scientists to exclusively speak
of abnormal aerial phenomena or of hoven phenomena

1287
01:46:08.880 --> 01:46:15.319
that had a degree of validity or
of strength so that an academic panel can

1288
01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:20.239
make it known, among other things
transfromadas and, of course, hestallen that

1289
01:46:20.720 --> 01:46:24.399
they have no solution and had no
solution. Today, perhaps with this information

1290
01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:30.439
that exists you can approach a higher
percentage of solution and also see problems that

1291
01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:34.560
are in the air that have not
been solved, that is, a new

1292
01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:40.479
scientific, academic conclave is required and
hopefully it will not be one, but

1293
01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:45.279
it will be several, because these
will increase exponentially. More data, more

1294
01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:49.359
records, more videos, like the
one presented by friend Jeremy Corbel, like

1295
01:46:49.439 --> 01:46:55.760
other witnesses who are going to come
out in the new ones, in the

1296
01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:01.920
new statements of intelligence cognité, of
defense and this comes in a very brutal

1297
01:47:01.960 --> 01:47:08.279
way from here. The two thousand
twenty- six, then we have to

1298
01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:12.119
gradually process what we have today as
information, because this is increasing and the

1299
01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:16.239
two thousand twenty- six we'
re going to be talking maybe with a

1300
01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:18.920
step more or two ahead. And
that' s very good. And that

1301
01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:23.479
must also be recorded, because it
is history, and it is history within

1302
01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:27.479
this subject, within this phenomenon and
within I believe, of what the history

1303
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:32.039
of humanity means. Thank you so
much, Rodrigo. How they can follow

1304
01:47:32.039 --> 01:47:35.359
you. Well, cobuphoning on Twitter, but how they can follow you and

1305
01:47:35.399 --> 01:47:38.960
your YouTube channel I don' t
know if you keep doing things. There

1306
01:47:39.560 --> 01:47:44.039
' s a small channel called investigators. I hope to be able to invite

1307
01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:48.319
each of you to talk a little
bit about this topic and when your jobs

1308
01:47:48.439 --> 01:47:54.720
are left, we have my Twitter, which is gobuphon arroba and Instagram arroba

1309
01:47:54.720 --> 01:47:57.000
and a bass buffoon. There'
s everything. Published. On March 23rd

1310
01:47:57.079 --> 01:48:04.640
we presented in the morning the third
edition of the Uni Book from Chile and

1311
01:48:04.640 --> 01:48:08.600
I believe that in the afternoon there
is an activity that, if I am

1312
01:48:08.680 --> 01:48:11.920
not mistaken, comes stopping live in
Andrea. That' s good, that

1313
01:48:12.039 --> 01:48:17.000
' s good Too bad I can' t be around to eat that lamb

1314
01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:19.439
and that accent. Ya bueno Omni
from Chile that you can also buy for

1315
01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:26.079
amazone across the continent. Book represent
the third edition and we will see that

1316
01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:30.960
organize some things that Jorge Luis and
Alia can travel to Chile, because we

1317
01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:36.960
are here to make a more forceful
presentation and here at least there is a

1318
01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:43.039
lot of interest and great enthusiasm in
making this known to the Community, to

1319
01:48:43.119 --> 01:48:47.960
the people is, but it is
via reception. So help me out here.

1320
01:48:48.039 --> 01:48:53.159
Let' s get this straight,
sure as hell, friends, thank

1321
01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:57.479
you so much, as always radigorab
Jorge, Luis suugdo friend, your conclusion,

1322
01:48:57.760 --> 01:49:01.399
your closure, your social networks,
the OMNIC footprint, that wonderful podcast

1323
01:49:01.399 --> 01:49:03.600
and your YouTube channel. All Jorge, all together with good. I have

1324
01:49:03.680 --> 01:49:10.439
just signed up for Rodrigo' s
channel, which is not subscribed. I

1325
01:49:10.520 --> 01:49:14.840
think this is a novelty. I
think that' s good news. I

1326
01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:17.640
think it would be unfair to say
that this is the first time science is

1327
01:49:17.640 --> 01:49:20.800
involved. Or that science is getting
involved, because today we talk about many

1328
01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:25.880
names, of many scientists that have
been for years. Efforts are being made

1329
01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:33.359
to apply parts or the scientific method
of seeking explanations. I think it'

1330
01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:39.920
s interesting to start expanding the world
and the visions and that it' s

1331
01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:43.199
essential to have your head open for
that to happen. You have to be

1332
01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:45.880
encouraged to ask the questions, but
you have to lay down what comes when

1333
01:49:46.039 --> 01:49:49.800
you ask those questions and that'
s what this is all about. They

1334
01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:56.039
find me on Instagram as Jorge Luisse' s official arroba, on Twitter as

1335
01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:59.680
Jorge Luisse' s screenplay under seventy- seven. I have a podcast called

1336
01:49:59.880 --> 01:50:02.399
The Ovni Bone and I have a
YouTube channel that, putting the Omnia Bone

1337
01:50:02.399 --> 01:50:06.239
to my last name that is impossible
in either way, will be able to

1338
01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:10.960
find it. It' s an
honor for me you' ll be listening

1339
01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:15.000
to them. So it' s
wonderful for me to be in this place

1340
01:50:15.119 --> 01:50:17.920
with people who, besides admiring,
want a lot. Many thanks to my

1341
01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:24.199
tremendously happy friend to make such a
beautiful panel like this, Alejandro Bernato.

1342
01:50:24.239 --> 01:50:28.720
Conclusion of these circles very quickly because
we' re out of time. I

1343
01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:32.760
believe that this study opens up one
more edge within the complexity of the OMNI

1344
01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:39.800
phenomenon. I think it is an
element that adds that does not detract from

1345
01:50:40.119 --> 01:50:44.640
the omnis that were denounced by David
Grution of the United States Congress or cases

1346
01:50:44.800 --> 01:50:47.720
such as Rosewall' s and other
cases of other types of aircraft. It

1347
01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:54.279
' s just one more element that
adds to this great puzzle of the omnim

1348
01:50:54.319 --> 01:50:58.279
phenomenon I find it fascinating that science
is getting into this and you can follow

1349
01:50:58.319 --> 01:51:02.079
me on Twitter, Instagram, and
Tiktok steals it from the portman the Thank

1350
01:51:02.079 --> 01:51:04.520
you so much, my friend.
My conclusion, because the first thing that

1351
01:51:04.560 --> 01:51:11.199
I have been tremendously happy about in
this program because thanks to the investigation of

1352
01:51:11.319 --> 01:51:15.399
the OMNI phenomenon and the topics of
mystery in general, I can say that

1353
01:51:15.800 --> 01:51:20.359
I have friends for half a continent
and that that you notice with Rodrigo Bravo,

1354
01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:26.479
I do not even know physically that
I have a great time, that

1355
01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:28.199
reaching conclusions is very difficult, because
what I have clear is that the phenomenon

1356
01:51:28.199 --> 01:51:30.000
is real. But, look,
I' m going to keep a couple

1357
01:51:30.079 --> 01:51:38.199
of words that I said today Rodrigo
Bravo, super quantum position. It won

1358
01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:44.239
' t be these things that surround
our atmosphere and that are inside our atmosphere

1359
01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:50.039
like some kind of phone that we
could talk to other parts of the galaxy

1360
01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:57.640
or the universe. I think it' s a possibility we shouldn' t

1361
01:51:57.640 --> 01:52:02.920
forget. As his works and research, psychiatrist Nestor Berlanda, also comment,

1362
01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:10.199
are opening doors to other worlds.
We have them in front of us,

1363
01:52:10.720 --> 01:52:16.199
even if we don' t know
how they work or understand them, but

1364
01:52:16.319 --> 01:52:18.840
they' re there, they challenge
us and I think they' re part

1365
01:52:18.840 --> 01:52:21.800
of us and our history. And
never forget that we live in a magical

1366
01:52:21.920 --> 01:52:25.399
world, because it is full of
mystery