Misterios del cine

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Hey, everybody, how' s
it going there? My name is Juan

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Jesús Vallejos, the journalist, writer
and director of the Night of Mystery program

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on Caracol Radio. I send you
a greeting from Galician soil, here,

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at the foot of the Camino de
Santiago, imagine you crossing the galaxy following

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the wake of some mystical knights,
the Jedi, who were able to handle

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the force that unites us all in
the universe. Or it might look like

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science fiction. However, these types
of films are based on real facts.

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If you look, for example,
at the helmet of the famous Darth Vader,

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it is a copy of a samurai
caboose and that concept of force appears

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in different Asian cultures. Chi for
the Chinese or ky for the Japanese or

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other kinds of sagas, for example, like those of Indiana jones You think

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that the Nazis actually sought the Holy
Grail or Ark of the Covenant, as

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it was and is historically proven.
But if you want to know about this

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and much more, don' t
miss the last mystery night podcast on Caracol

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Radio Mysteries of cinema. Crossing the
galaxy as a rebel, searching for forces

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and energies that remain in an incomprehensible
mythology, while one goes through the galaxy

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as a rebellious frame, which I
believe is also the key to the success

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of the film series that everyone will
have already guessed. Even looking for love,

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why not face monsters, villains,
all kinds of strange bugs, even

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take a couple of beers in a
tavern that looks more like western than from

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another galaxy. I think everyone will
have in mind the saga I' m

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talking about, Star Wars, the
war of galaxies. I don' t

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know about you guys since I was
a kid, I have to say I

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' m addicted. It' s
more than that addiction I have to Star

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Wars, I identify with Darth Vader
pretty much. I think he had a

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dark time in my life and all
of a sudden, I came to light

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again an eternal death and rebirth that
we all have to face in life.

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And I think George Lucas was a
genius, because I don' t think

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you can compare the Star Wars saga
to anything else in the movies. I

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don' t know how many billions
of viewers have had all the sequels he

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' s had afterwards, plus on
television, on digital platforms. Now Mandalorian

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and by the time he saw it, by ze. Then we' ll

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really get into that. George Lucas
touched something that reaches the soul of any

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human being on the planet. And
to do that, even if it seems

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simple at first, I sincerely believe
it' s up to you to be

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a genius and today' s show
is going to see the mystery of cinema.

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And not only are we going to
talk about Star Wars, which I

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think is going to take a good
part of the show, but other films

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that have made us dream about fiction, a fiction that can be very based

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on real facts, because the Indiana
jones saga more than any other, even

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if it seems to you science,
fiction is totally and absolutely based on real

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facts. The Nazis sought the Holy
Grail, did it specifically in France,

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near the castle of Montsegur the archaeologist
Bueno was professor of medieval literature in charge

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of searching the Holy Grail was called
Otto Rung. The Nazis also sought out

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the ark of the Covenant, in
a thing called the Jericho Trumpets operation and

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did it in the city of Venice
and in the city of Tanis, in

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Egypt. A film, a saga
of film that pushed me, as I

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am a little crazy, to study
audiovisual production in order to make documentaries and

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make television reports around the world on
this type of subject. And I did

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it. I have to say,
I didn' t find anything. Indinajon

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if he found the Holy Abrial other
things. I found nothing, but I

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went around the world through that apparent
fantasy that is still a disturbing reality.

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I' d like you to put
on what saga of movies or which fictional

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or science fiction film has impacted you
most. The good thing about cinema is

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that through fiction it brings to us
things that were apparently impossible, but that

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happened in reality, such as the
film The Exorcist, which is based on

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Robert Manhein' s exorcism. He
was a boy, not really a girl,

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the person who had an exorfism in
Washington that terrified the Catholic church itself.

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Other sagas of films based on literature, such as Harry Potter, or

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as he is, for example,
the Lord of the Rings, who have

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made us dream that magic exists and
that witchcraft is also real and this is

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what today' s program is all
about, trying to understand not only the

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sources from which great screenwriters and television
directors drink and define, but also to

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understand why some stories and others do
not reach our soul. My name is

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Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want
to follow me on social networks, on

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my twitter is Juan that Vallejo,
Juan j de Vallejo, on Instagram,

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on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And
this is another mystery night show. And

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here what we do is mystery journalism. We oppose the facts on the table

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and you decide what is behind and
what is not. Today in a tremendously

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playful program where we will dive into
the curiosities and realities that hide us.

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Some of the most famous film sagas
in film history. You know what I

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do as an author. Twenty-
two September. On one October of this

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year, two thousand twenty- four
I will be making an author' s

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trip to Egypt, walking right next
to the pyramids of Giza to surprise us

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with works that seem from another world, so that you may also sail for

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the Nile, understanding in its temples, such as, for example, a

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finger or bidos, that there is
an ancient magic that today is still alive

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and we start now without further delay. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how

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are you? Very well, Juan
I have a greeting for you, also

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for our exceptional guests of this podcast, Esteban Cruz, Juan Castel Blanco,

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Carlos García Ruiz and, of course, all the people who consume this content

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through the podcast that we publish on
the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio. On

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this occasion juange speaking of one of
my favorite themes, the Seventh Art.

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Curiosities of cinema, great mysteries around
productions within the Seventh Art that have been

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mythical and as a curious fact you
the introduction said that at some stage of

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your life you felt like Darth Vader, because Darth Vader without mask also suffered

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dialects and so he hit you in
the Palo Ponte. Looks like you'

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re going to the power of all
the historic film sagas. That' s

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how he defines a hundred desíicos which
one you like the most and why Indiana

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jones cinesa wouldn' t be here
with what it means to be that movie.

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I believe that for people who already
have more than four decades, Juange

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was a very important film because it
made us see magic through cinema and history,

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perhaps a magic not as mythical or
medieval as had been represented in cinema

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in other kinds of productions, without
a magic that came from great relics of

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the past, which was set in
events of the first half of the 20th

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century and which, at least I
felt very close to it. It had

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a lot of historical context, had
some performances and a wonderful staging. For

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me, Indiana Jones, it'
s one of my life' s favorite

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sagas Jorge, and if you like
my job, I invite you to subscribe

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to my YouTube channel. Mandragora Mysteries
Mandragora Mysteries on YouTube, also say that

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to me, Indiana jones that changed
my life, i mean, I wanted

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to be Indiana Johns and go out
there for the world to look, to

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look for Treasure. If this anecdote
tells it. The other day I gave

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a talk to the University of the
Forest here a professor of the Forest today

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and commented on that not, I
mean, commenting on how I wanted to

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go out and look for all those
things and I had a meeting and these

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true ones with the Jerusalem Conservative,
who authorized me for the first time in

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history to look for the Ark of
the Alliance with Geords. Then I didn

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' t get funding to make the
documentary, but I was there, I

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was sitting and it was really fun. Anyway, I' ll keep looking

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for the ark, even if I
don' t find a fuck next time

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I go to Israel and we'
re going here. We' re going

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here for collaborators. The one that
most appeared here on mystery night is Esteban

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Cruz, who has a YouTube channel
called Los Audios de Cruz. Writer,

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writer. I don' t know
how many books you also have that you

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can get through Amazon. Esteban Cruz, partner friend, how are you?

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All right, Juan, very happy
to be here with you tonight. You

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talk about a subject as interesting as
cinema, and you have said something that

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is that it is real and that
the Hine inspired us all. Not seeing

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these images represented, seeing those stories
represented, makes us feel that we too

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can achieve it. It does not
prompt us to go further, Not yes

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the truth, but the seventh art
in pure magic and impels us to go

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further. And the one who also
knows a lot about the themes of seventh

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art. He is my good friend, Carlos Garcia, who is a professor

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of dramatic art at the University of
the Forest. In case anyone identifies him

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the terrible Spanish that appeared in the
series La villamizar. Carlos, there'

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s a good night, how are
you, well, good night, how

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are you, how are all the
listeners here? And I make a point

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of the alizar area I was the
bad guy, well I of the bad

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guys, it' s very good. He was the good guy. There

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were a lot of bad guys and
I was doing inside the bad guys that

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we were the Spaniards, because I
was Cape Tobon, that was the good

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guy, the one that had the
most heart, it' s rich,

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I was doing plate, super good
talking and I would say no that you

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said that talking about cinema I as
a screenwriter, actor, people that move

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in that half made things of cinema, television, a lot of theater,

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too. The mystery itself is that
it exists in cinema, or from there,

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anything can happen when you go to
a great production, you find so

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many people doing so many different things
and that all of that comes to a

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happy end by saying so. That' s the biggest mystery of all.

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It' s more mystery all of
us, and then we can enjoy it

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clearly. That' s the director
and the producer, which is when they

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record a movie and then in post- production. Well, preproduction is hysterical.

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For several months, I have lived
with documentaries, but I think it

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is not the same level, because
they are very small, very small team,

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eight ten fifteen people between production and
post- production, while cinema are

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hundreds of people. It' s
really crazy. Just watch the movie credits.

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Yes, of course, you have
to see the credits that I tell

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many students. Actors and actresses are
the last ones on the menu. That

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is to say, first there are
many things, producers, screenwriters, directors,

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make- up artists, stage designers. Yeah, the actor' s

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the last one. It' s
the dessert of the evening and the one

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that' s about to have once
here on mystery night. It is Juan

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fe Castel Blanco, who is instagrammer, who has an Instagram channel that is

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called and polículas with almost sixty thousand
subscribers. Now and I' m going

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to ask you the question that I
ask to all the guests who appear for

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the first time on mystery night,
Who is John Faith Castel Blanco? For

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the entire mystery night and radio snail
audience. Of course I do, Juan,

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and thank you very much. First
of all for having me has been

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invited and good night to all,
my colleagues today introduced me quickly. I

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am Juan Felipe Castel Blanco, I
am a civil engineer from the University of

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the Andes and two years ago I
came to live in Canada, Toronto,

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more specifically, here to do my
postgraduate and here being in Canada, I

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came to go with my friends,
best friends of the school, and he

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also had an Instagram project of personal
finances and it started to go very well,

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very well. And he started telling
me how good, what he expects

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to join this world. See that
we' re growing up, that I

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don' t know what anymore,
and he saw me a lot all the

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time, in my time, free
watching movies, watching series, because that

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' s what I love doing in
my time, free watching movies of all

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series, and that' s what
I' ve always liked since very little.

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Then he' d tell me I
thought a channel would help him,

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or I' d just motivate him. Well, that' s where we

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' re growing. And so well
until one day I decided and in September

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last year we opened the channel Monte, my first video And well now a

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little more than six months later,
already almost sixty thousand followers that did not

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expect it. But well, he' s going to open a YouTube channel

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soon to continue the project as well. Not super and I' m happy

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a lot that besides tra hired,
even to make some Disney videos of all

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the movie sagas that I gave you
that we' re commenting on Indiana John

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Star Wars, or if you have
another, what' s your favorite movie

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saga Within the history of film,
science fiction ok, well, my favorite

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is Star Wars why, because I
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of view. My mom' s
a big fan too, and she started

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making me watch movies since I was
little. I gave them to myself in

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order of the order there is now
from the prequels to the following. Then

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maybe well, right now, we' ll discuss it. That' s

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why they' re a lot of
favorites. But I also have to mention

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that, Right now, the Jung
movies that are coming out in recent years

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also seemed to me to be very
good movies, which because very early still

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to say, but they can become
very good movies from a future. It

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doesn' t look so good.
Me. The first one I loved,

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the second one bore me. A
little bit, I have to say anyway,

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but how good we have different and
diverse opinions, that we are in

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a society where people now have different
or different opinions, it seems that we

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have to kill ourselves, when it
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it' s a very constructive thing. Well let' s start with Star

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Wars, which is the saga of
the saga. I don' t know

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how many billions of people have ever
seen anything from Star Wars. I do

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not know how many billions of dollars
have given in merchandising, that I think

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that also has the total and absolute
record, and it has to be said

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from the point of view, I
already want your opinion and that this is

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a chat. George Lucas, to
me was an eye genius, because he

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is also the Indiana jones argumentist and
screenwriter not only of Star Wars. So

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the point is that this gentleman read
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that basically goes, it' s
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mythologys of all the cultures of the
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of archetypes. And it' s
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figure of Darth Vader, who is
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shadows, but into his phyto heart. There' s light in the end.

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Then he gets out of there and
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as well. For example, the
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with the Japanese culture that put the
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such that I believe that, from
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opinion, they are a copy of
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Vader' s helmet is a cabo
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and Jeki, which is when Japanese
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the sword that use the potatoes gives
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what it does have is also a
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for example, are the French comics
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if any of those who are hearing
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they put Moebius or Yan Giro,
it was his real name. In Google

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there are going to be images that
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on in Star Wars, in more
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go a thing that really looks like
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the great inspirations, also the best
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twentieth century, which is a silent
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as we see the robot e trespo. Now you' re going to laugh

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because in Spanish we say three things
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a radically different way. And then
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samurai stuff and so the samurai would
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of force is just like the concept
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King ki heal you through the energy
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the universe that I think is also
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the guy made that mix between medieval
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great success is to bring a film
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future that is credible. And this
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mean, I have to say I' ve swallowed them all. I don

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' t like the first three,
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rabbit and I would have killed him, I mean, there' s a

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horrible thing going on with me,
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it also has certain touches, like, for example, now that they'

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re coming out on digital mandalorian platforms
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him to the wester. They'
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into a wester and all that for
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speak like a parrot, something I
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s the wire Anyone can talk.
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especially a subject that I manage quite
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the sources of the dramaturgy of the
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which, besides, if anyone wants
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series of documentaries of interviews with Joseph
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in the Ranch Sky Walker, where
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all Uncle George Lucas and this man
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his book. Indeed, as you
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ones to pose the raw ones of
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in principle was the first part and
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always thought he said he wrote that
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' d go beyond a movie,
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had to write back and forth.
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read, the hero of the thousand
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as you said, that you pose
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of any continent. It has common
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characters. But the interesting thing is
that this hero not only has physical features,

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he is a hero of a cloak
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what Joseph Cambell really defends is the
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think that' s one of the
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only does Darth Vader succeed in destroying
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reward is wisdom, it' s
becoming a complete Jedi. And that'

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s the hero' s real good
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' s something that I think it' s hard for all of us to

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know ourselves. That' s the
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' s what makes these movies a
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why it reaches the heart, because
I have touched that we all seek eternally

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is to know who we are and
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is, which is another subject that
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it from the cool point of view. I haven' t read Campbell'

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s book, but, indeed,
the key here is that, while he

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' s forming like jedi and he' s attacking the bad guys and all

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this and so on, he'
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s getting to know what his place
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apart from knowing even father and everything, so I' m going here

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for what in my life and what
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where we' re all characters and
I think they' ve narrated it this

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great way. Esteban Cruz, Friends, we have three minutes before we go

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to the pause. But you,
as an anthropologist, how to see the

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story is told Carlos, how it
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which is the hero of the Hambilcara, yes that is Star Wars, It

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is not only that great epic that
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which also picks up Lucas Es and
that also all the time ago Speelberg,

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is to use an archetype of these
that had already spoken sine that is

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called Cargus sap Jung, that it
is one of mysteries, that said that

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he had some spirits that spoke to
him of a house in Switzerland as a

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kind of genius, that writes a
book that is called the Red Book,

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that no one understands until today,
nobody can say it. Well Joong said

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there were archetypes and one of those
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something that we all have on top
of us and under our skin and is

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mentioned from Greek myths like Hercules'
s to Mesopotamian myths, with ancient poems

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and epics. And it' s
that Star Wars is a modern poem in

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cinema, it' s an epic
in cinema. And what the hero always

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has, which is very interesting,
is that the hero does not fight to

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be a millionaire, to be loved
by everyone. The hero does not triumph

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to transform his life in some way, but to transform it from others.

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And the hero' s journey that
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of characters, as they are told, this kind of characters is Luke Skywalker,

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for example, since he' s
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moon and they kill the guys and
it' s completely wrong and he becomes

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a jedi. And the end is
not to return to being milled to have

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a house with fifty thousand women,
reproduce getting drunk. The end is to

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be a simple guy again, as
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as happens to Batman himself when they
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is left alone and again in love
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or follow him. And two more
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Luke also used the image of the
Templars, like these knight warriors who were

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fighting, because they were, they
were celibates, they were priests, they

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were going to war today, they
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guns and rockets. If they were
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driving an Ephe Sixteen. But these
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exterminated by the Catholic Church itself and
by the King of France. So

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many say that the jedis exterminated by
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for what happened to the Templars.
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to me, because besides, the
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that come to this day. It
is because the Church bore them well,

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they were charged to their temples all
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where to be archived from the Templars. We don' t know about being

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famous. Third of the Templars.
Everything was embarked on a port in France

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called La Rochelle, which left fourteen
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through Portugal. But it' s
a great mystery and they want to drop

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a pearl You know for me too
what one of the keys to Star Wars

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' success is. In all the
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bad guy and instead Darth Vader falls
great, he falls super well, which

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is a very crazy thing. I
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believe that in Star Wars, the
fourth one we saw when we were kids,

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that in which it premieres in nineteen
hundred and seventy- seven, the

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scene where Darth Vader is, there
with all the generals and such and loose

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one because nothing. And in the
universe with the power of the star of

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death, capable of destroying planets,
and so and so says Darth Vader.

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No, because that' s not
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force and so and the other one
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He does that with his little finger, he moves it a little bit

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and the guy starts out there like
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re all thinking, when we were
sitting around, I' d take him

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for an asshole. But how he
messes with Darth Vaders. You have to

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be melong or. As you say, force does not exist, and this

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seems wonderful to me that there is
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Your lack of faith is bothering me. And here we were diving into the

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curiosities of cinema on what these works
are really inspired, which are science fiction,

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but which have very real bases and
a thousand curions. I closed the

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previous block by saying that, from
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things Star Wars has is precisely that
not the one that created an antagonist,

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a bad one that ends up becoming
total and absolute protagonist and that, moreover,

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falls very sympathetic. So because I
think we' ve all been a

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little Darth Vader in life, we' ve had some dark times. That

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' s where we came out.
Well, then. For me this is

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a very, very curious detail of
the triumph of the saga, in my

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opinion, for being wrong, of
course, Alejandro Barnar, although something that

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has always seemed fascinating to me about
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the history, about the classic cinema, for example, George Lucas, to

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create the characters of Citripio, as
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Arturito, as we also say in
Latin America, that it is not pronounced

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like this, but so we say
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in this case, of Lawrence of
Arabia, of David Lind of nine hundred

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sixty starring Peter O toul He said
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to portray it with these characters,
with part of the rhythm that had also

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permeated him to the characterization of these
two characters, these two robots and Tripio

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and Arturito, and the battles that
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New Hope, which would come first, which was released in the seventy-

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seventh century, but that within the
saga would be the fourth episode LU,

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that the battle of George Lucas.
George Lucas said that, when he was

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devising the staging that finally came out
in the film, he saw a lot

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of movies, tapes and recordings of
World War II, and he wanted to

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imbue this veric sensation in these Star
Warson scenes, and he did great,

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because the scenes of ship chases and
that seem to me to be a real

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wonder. Juan Felipe Castel Blanco,
why do you think Star Wars is the

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biggest series in history? Well,
from my perspective that I started watching it

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as a child, I feel like
it' s a saga that people can

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relate to very easily, whether it' s from seeing the first movies in

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the' 70s in cinema or,
for example, in my case, that

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my favorite movies, with everyone'
s forgiveness here are the first three,

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not the chronological ones, being episode
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re the first ones I saw as
a child. So I think I can

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relate more to Anakin, to how
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And, well, already the dark
part, I kind of don' t,

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but already on that side, I
feel like that' s why Star

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Wars is nothing here in such a
successful movie at all times, because from

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the elderly to the children who are
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not with whatever it is. I
think you can relate a very,

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very good way. Also what you
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which is a villain who but who
kind of likes it, like people

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like that is I also very much
relate to that, for example, to

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my brother. I don' t
know if you remember episode three, when

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Ana who reveals herself and starts fighting
Obi Wane, my brother was I want

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to be like Anakin, I'
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and I was like no, I' m more like the same side,

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okay, but well, it was
like that kind of rivalry too. But

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that' s why I also love
the saga and I think it' s

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also one of the most fascinating in
science, fiction right now, I think

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you' ll notice that I'
m curious about the generational jump we'

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re a little more granny. If, on the other hand, Juan Fe,

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who is not even thirty years old, how you see three first movie

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as a wonder and I see it
as a puking thing, that is about

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all the Jark Jarbing thing, that
is to say I get involved and if

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I would already like to close the
Star Wars issue, because it will not

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give you time or half of what
we had to preach your opinion about Bueno.

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First, they' re going to
make three new ones, three new

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ones, and besides, this has
already created a whole series of saga,

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science series, fiction. I,
Mandalorian, love Obi Wong. Well,

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that' s where I swallowed it
because Darth Vader comes out and then he

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00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.200
goes out to Darth Vader and he' s already a winner. Andor loved

410
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.680
it. And very bad, very
bad Ashoka' s, the last one

411
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.920
they' ve pulled out. It' s bad, but it' s

412
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:37.519
bad from my point of view.
I like nothing. I mean, it

413
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.160
' s kind of a thing I
didn' t like. I mean,

414
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.240
this is the first time I'
ve seen anything from Star Wars that I

415
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.319
' ve said this honestly. I
didn' t like it. What do

416
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:51.480
you guys think about commenting on what
you want to raise your hand and talk

417
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:52.240
about is worth what you think?
Well let' s see this already is

418
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.640
such a heavy saga that it has
to take out products and it is a

419
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:57.960
money- making machine. In some, forgiveness is wrong, in others,

420
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:00.759
in some, forgiveness is correct.
That' s wrong. They are wrong,

421
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.359
because I also think that writers and
directors are human this ban cro I

422
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.640
think would comment yes, I wanted
to tell you something, something that works

423
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:13.160
very well and that the Americans do
very well is copy themselves. No.

424
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.319
If something succeeds, you have to
go around, perhaps in Latin America or

425
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:20.799
in Ibero- America in general.
When something goes very well, you say

426
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.160
we don' t have to change
to be better. They don' t

427
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.759
repeat the same. Scheme. So
you see all the movies and it'

428
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:31.759
s also destroying another star of death, destroying another base, destroying another planet.

429
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.319
It' s exactly the same model. It' s the same thing

430
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.279
seen a two, three, four, or five, six, seven,

431
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:44.640
eight times, and the three times
they get there they' re going to

432
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:49.279
do the same system again and they' re going to have a funny little

433
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.519
robot again and there' s going
to be a protagonist who fights everything because

434
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.240
it' s the same thing,
but here they' re going to put

435
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:58.400
something different, other names and something
that has more to do with the society

436
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.279
in which it' s unfolding.
Not that good review. I' ve

437
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:06.279
never seen it like this, but
indeed, they repeat the story eighty zero

438
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.240
times Carlos García. I think it
also has to do a little bit with

439
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:15.160
what you said about defining, designing
a good villain. And I think the

440
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:21.720
series that you said, that the
products that work well have a good antagonist

441
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:28.400
and then it makes you more entertaining
and more fun when the antagonist is not

442
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.759
good, that also a theory about
the antagonist and the tremendous protagonist, because

443
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:38.319
it is not attractive at all.
A good antagonist puts the most complicated things

444
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:45.000
to the hero or the protagonist,
and also attracts us to have more interest

445
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:51.599
to see how he succeeds in overthrowing
that villain, that antagonist. I don

446
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:57.000
' t think the definition, character
design of the character of the bad guy

447
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.279
is fundamental to all these films and
I as you say to you, of

448
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:07.519
pearls, the word hero that I
love comes from Greek, comes from eros

449
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:12.039
and the god heroes was the god
of love, with which the hero has

450
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:16.360
to execute his actions in a light- hearted way and with a large dose

451
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:22.400
of love. In that no and
this, this little detail has to be

452
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:28.079
in these films, that hero'
s protagonist has to be, he has

453
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.679
to do it with something more than
the will. I think that also lies

454
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:35.639
in success, failure as the definition
of a good bad. Indeed, and

455
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.000
what is curious is that the last
saga of three is the bad one.

456
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:40.960
I don' t remember what the
bad guy' s called now. Some

457
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.800
remember the name of the bad guy, the one who has the sword this

458
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:50.400
citation and has a helmet that lime
Kilo Renka and replaces them the bad guy

459
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.559
exactly the same. He is a
bad man who falls the darkness of strength

460
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.320
and such, but in the end
he ends up being good, that is,

461
00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.239
Esteban Cruz nailed it, that is, they have repeated again absolutely all

462
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.039
and we have not swallowed it and
we are looking forward to the three new

463
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.159
ones. Alejandro Vernal Juan He It
should be noted that now the Star Wars

464
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.280
saga belongs to Disney. Disney is
a money- making machine, so it

465
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.280
' s normal for them to overexploit
it and create various products, various spinoffs

466
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:20.400
for all kinds of audiences, from
adult audiences to children' s audiences.

467
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.159
There are even animated series now from
Star Wars to reach that younger audience.

468
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.000
So I think it' s normal
for them to do that with the saga.

469
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.760
Yes, indeed, I have to
admit that I pay the platform just

470
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:35.000
to watch the Star Wars series.
I see nothing else on that platform,

471
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.840
which is a little heavy the theme
Juan Felipe spent Blanco. Yeah, and

472
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:44.199
right now, a new Star Wars
series is coming out in June It'

473
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:46.400
s called The Accolight. In fact, yes and it will tell as the

474
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:51.480
history of origin and how it was
created on that dark side. That'

475
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:52.480
s what he' s gonna tell. We don' t know much more

476
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.960
about the series, but if a
new Star Wars series is going to come

477
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.960
out in June so they' re
looking forward to it, let' s

478
00:35:59.960 --> 00:36:00.559
see how good they are. I
mean, that series is going to be

479
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.599
the genesis of the dark side of
the City and all of this. Yeah,

480
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.239
you can say it was going to
be a hundred years before episode one.

481
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:13.840
A hundred years earlier. It is
supposed to be set in the Upper

482
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.400
Republic, in the parties, when
the school of the Jedi was full.

483
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.440
It' s working at full speed
and they do start showing up. There

484
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:28.400
are signs that the sives come back, because they had been extinct several centuries

485
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:32.079
before, but that' s how
they reappear. You' re right.

486
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:37.199
John knows very little of that good
series and of all the series what they

487
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:43.320
have done and such Mandalorian Andor,
that of obi Wan. I forgot Shoka

488
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:49.320
which one you liked the same,
because I think Dale Dale would say Andor,

489
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:57.599
with some doubt the best for you. Yeah,' cause I think

490
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.559
it was focused on an audience,
a little bit more adult. Maybe it

491
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.960
' ll be another one and the
worst one in obi Won. Unfortunately,

492
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.840
thank you very much, because he
is a character that I like very much

493
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.000
and I did not attract anything.
And I think that in addition, I

494
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:14.760
think, as a middle- class
professional, I think it' s mistook,

495
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.079
that it has a lot of mistakes
in filming and approach. From the

496
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:21.280
sequence is that the problem that I
see Obi Wong' s series is that

497
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.639
a guy who' s a jedi
and shit and suddenly has care problems,

498
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:29.559
like he says male, he'
s not going to go to the psychologist

499
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:31.440
now to do the series and give
joints to right- handed and sinister.

500
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:37.000
It' s what I think,
they were cross exactly the same, that

501
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.639
is, I think the one who
promised the most and the one who would

502
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.760
have the most strength was the Obi
Wan. You' d have a lot

503
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.280
of actors, someone like Ioan McGregor. You had the whole Disney budget and

504
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.039
it didn' t work. Then. What I think is that this shows

505
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.840
in part that you also need to
have a quality that doesn' t go

506
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.760
until you have a good actor character
and have a lot of budget and you

507
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.880
can end up doing something that was
hard for me to see. In the

508
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:06.679
end, or one while you see
things like Mandaloria, the one who sent

509
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:12.800
that for me is the best is
Mandalorian because besides it is a character that

510
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:20.400
is ultras secondary, that simply had
his charisma because it sold the merchandising of

511
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:25.639
the doll very much from the house
rewards that had only left scarcely ten twenty

512
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:30.119
minutes less and you take all the
films of Star Wars and put together a

513
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.360
series that takes to the obi one
then there I believe, moreover, a

514
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:35.920
character that does not see his face, that should not be seen his face.

515
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:38.760
Then I find it surprising. They' ve created us the whole universe

516
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:44.440
of the Mandalorians with this road thing. That' s right and I don

517
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.239
' t know what and they gave
a maquia to me too Mandalorian at the

518
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:51.119
best there are people left to baby
Yoda and such, but to a thousand

519
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:52.440
baby Yoda I had to pot a
little bigger to grow a bit worth.

520
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.480
That' s true. But,
yes, for me Mandalorian. But that

521
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.760
Mandarin, to me it' s
also a wester eh, but I mean,

522
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.360
but a total and absolute wester.
I mean, instead of carrying a

523
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.320
Samurais film and magic cape for the
future, it' s taken a western

524
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.599
to the future. From my point
of view, and I find it great

525
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:14.280
how Juan Fe of all these series
have done it and so for you the

526
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.239
best and the worst. And because
for me the best is Mandalorian, too.

527
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:22.400
I must admit I didn' t
know much about the character the truth

528
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.760
before the Mandalorian series came out.
I think it' s good Boba Fett

529
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.840
and he' s the ones that
sounded the most in Star Wars, but

530
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.199
I really had no idea the character
and I was pleasantly surprised. It is

531
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:37.599
my favorite of the series that have
come out and also, as Carlos said

532
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.480
Oi Wan, I am very disappointed
also because it is of my favorite characters

533
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.480
of the saga and maybe it is
like who expects a lot of that series

534
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.760
and that it will not meet those
expectations. You say how bad or not,

535
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.159
but with Mandalorian, like I didn' t expect anything and I was

536
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:57.760
very surprised. Then it was like
amazing wow. So, that' s

537
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:01.599
the whole universe to Star Wars.
Alejandro Mandar, your favorite and the one

538
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.239
you don' t like. Okay. I' m going to say something

539
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.639
that I get classified for. I' m not a fan of Star Wars

540
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:14.639
but I saw Mandalorian and as a
person who appreciates audiovisual works, I liked

541
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.199
it very much and I think it
has a lot of merit that not being

542
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.239
a fan of a saga and I
saw Loria boss and I said listen this

543
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:22.679
is very well made to be reinteresting. I liked it a lot, the

544
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:27.920
one I liked the least. I
abstain because I' m not a fan,

545
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:32.239
but from Gamemer' s point of
view, because I' m a

546
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.519
video player, it' s siduous. I loved the Vibor Juan jadisor that

547
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.480
video game so great, that video
game so well released a few years ago

548
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:45.000
for new generation consoles. It seems
to me that it is one of the

549
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.679
best representations of the Star Wars universe
are video games and not a fan of

550
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.320
the saga, but a fan of
video games. I think he' s

551
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.199
got some great video game. Recommendation
here to the house hear, but what

552
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:57.760
wedge is so good in it?
We forget the money that moves this with

553
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.400
video games. Exactly. Juan is
that it' s more. George Lucas,

554
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.440
he' s been more interested in
video games for a few years.

555
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.320
He' s got to make movies. Today the entertainment industry that makes the

556
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:13.599
most overall gain in the world is
video games, so the exact one.

557
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.599
So Jadisor Vibor, for me one
of the best representations of the Star Wars

558
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:25.000
universe. In digital leisure you can
buy a game that costs you. Let

559
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.480
' s put your first exit two
hundred and four hundred thousand pesos yes and

560
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:35.920
one entry at the end is fifteen
zero exactly yes. Of course it is

561
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:40.639
a big investment and the number of
people buying the video game millions, including

562
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:52.239
me eye also yan yan hooked with
the moden Worfer three, but very good

563
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.880
of Sawa we have also crossed online
around. But we don' t know

564
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.960
what peace you made me an acquired
doctor. This is because there are video

565
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:05.639
games like during fauto before going back, going back to the sino and another

566
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:10.280
movie that already sold more than hundreds
fifty million copies, a video game that

567
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.599
costs sixty euros. So he'
s the one who tells him who'

568
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.599
s good at math is gonna get
us out. Next. The big trefauto

569
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:21.840
is already ringing a lot, next
it' s going to have some pretty

570
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.159
interesting things. And about this Mandalorian
thing, I don' t call it

571
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.880
Mandaloria, which is very good,
but there are things I didn' t

572
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.599
want to convince. Watch out for
the guy who plays Mandaloriano. In the

573
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:37.119
originals you say you take out,
ten minutes, no, no, three

574
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.519
minutes, three minutes, three minutes. In the originals comes out three minutes

575
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:46.320
and the actor now I don'
t remember the name. He' s

576
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:51.920
really been asking for those three minutes
going to all the Star Wars conventions to

577
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:57.559
assert T- shirts, photos and
so he lives from that live di convention

578
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.920
in Star Wars says I' m
me, I want original mandalorian and he

579
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:02.400
lives pretty well. By the way, most of the other things he does

580
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.039
actorically. How crazy it is that
one plays a part in that if you

581
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.840
already live with that other one.
Uncle' s life is crazy. Dude,

582
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.480
it' s one thing, yeah, yeah, it' s a

583
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.239
crazy thing. Well, let'
s move on to the next big movie

584
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.400
saga and, of course, it
had to be Indiana Jones and again that

585
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.960
this is very strong, the same
character George Lucas. And besides, George

586
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.639
Lucas was this with a chat taking
some wikis there or some mojitos. I

587
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:34.320
don' t know what you'
d be taking in Hawaii. To be

588
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:40.719
exact with Steven Spielberg who decide to
do the Indiana Jones story, it means

589
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.960
Steven Spielberg is a fricazo of mystery, like us, quite important. I

590
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.880
mean, he loves mystery stuff,
he loves Omni' s stuff. That

591
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.880
' s why he made meetings of
the third kind that in Spain was called

592
00:43:52.960 --> 00:44:00.079
encounters in the third phase, and
it was easy for both Spilbert and George

593
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.519
Lucas to know about the stories of
the Nazis, who had a whole body

594
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:08.880
of intellectuals who called themselves the ant
nerve, dedicated to looking for objects of

595
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:10.960
power, that this is not science
fiction, that this is a reality.

596
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:16.719
Two expeditions were made with another rang
at the head that financed the Heinries Himler

597
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:22.800
himself, controlled by the creator of
the SS, looking for the Holy Grail

598
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:28.039
in the south of France. They
were also, as I said, the

599
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.760
Jericho Trumpets operation, searching for the
Ark of the Alliance, both in the

600
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:36.519
city of Tanis, in Egypt,
as it appears in the film, and

601
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:43.000
in Venice, as it appears in
the film. And the second, which

602
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.320
in Spain was called Indiana Jans and
the Cursed Temple, what was called here,

603
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.719
in Latin America the Temple of Jarge
Doom and the Temple of Doom.

604
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:54.119
Well, this is based on a
Hindu sect that is the Touks who put

605
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:59.639
in the film the stoggis, the
tuuks or stranglers who adored it gave that

606
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:05.360
cali, strangled people and so on. And the white stone that appears in

607
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.960
the film is that really in Hindu
mythology it is believed that the earth is

608
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:14.280
a living entity and then each of
its chakras is a precious stone that has

609
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:20.639
special powers. And then the last
two. The skull one. What'

610
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:22.239
s the name of the skull of
destiny. I would swear yes, yes,

611
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:27.199
the skull of fate, which there
was a zancoche, a bit strange.

612
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.119
That' s where I got the
town of Cacor. A map of

613
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.400
Nazca appears, what we' ve
been to Nazca, which is ridiculous.

614
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.199
Yeah, did the Russian character,
the Russian character, get in pretty good

615
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.760
for me? This and such with
superpowers, because there was a psychic war

616
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:47.320
in the sixties and seventies between the
faith and the KGB. But that'

617
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:53.039
s the only one I like the
fourth least because they made a pretty weird

618
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:57.360
run. And the last one I
liked the target dial with the anti-

619
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:05.559
quiter machine that exists the machine,
because I also found it very curious.

620
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.679
I think it' s the saga
that my mom has hit, because I

621
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:12.559
took it so seriously that I went
to get the Holy Grail was every alliance,

622
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.360
but for me, Indiana jones reminds
us of something that' s milk.

623
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:22.000
Star Wars brings us a whole world
of fiction. Star Wars Indiana jones

624
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:27.880
instead, it' s reality outpaces
fiction and this seems wonderful to me.

625
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.360
Alejandro Bernal is biting wants to tell
something ang la sagan day in my life.

626
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:37.119
Please, if in that saga you
would be here about what you were

627
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.559
talking about, bear in mind that
George Lucas and Stelberg, when creating the

628
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.960
Indiana Jones character, were inspired by
series B films, even up to the

629
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.039
S series of the 1930s or forties, where there were explorers who were going

630
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:55.519
to look for great treasures. But
of course, not only did the directors

631
00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.440
not have enough technical resources at the
time, but there were also enough guionny

632
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:07.480
gaps to make good works. But
they wanted to move some of the spirit

633
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.599
of those mythical and adventurous adventures into
what was Indiana Jones. Now just what

634
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:15.199
you' re saying about the last
movie of the Destiny Road, which I

635
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.599
also loved the truth, not as
much as the original ones, but it

636
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:21.880
seemed to me like a very dignified
film, very well made, especially to

637
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.440
keep in mind that the great antagonist, and eye don' t want to

638
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:28.639
spoil them, but the great antagonist
of the last film, Indiana Jones is

639
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.079
Berner. It was Brown, the
Nazi who through Operation Paper Clip, ended

640
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:37.159
up working for NASA and designing the
program' s rockets. Apollo. Yes,

641
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:39.719
gentlemen, he' s the bad
guy from Indiana Jones' last.

642
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.960
But it' s not just that, man, it' s that thanks

643
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.639
to Ernest bon Brown we got to
the moon. I mean, you were

644
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.239
saying it exactly Apollo, so it' s crazy, so that' s

645
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.079
a character who' s under a
pretty important historical revisionism, because scientists are

646
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.079
always at Bon Brown, Bon Brown, but Bon Brown was a member of

647
00:47:55.079 --> 00:48:01.000
the CSS. Be careful that it
wasn' t just any naffit a genius

648
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:06.159
making rockets. But for me it
is the basis and we have come from

649
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:10.360
a saga where there is an idea
of self- improvement, of finding himself

650
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:14.519
the Jedi and such and this not. This is a guy, who'

651
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.559
s an intellectual, who' s
a little drunk and a womanizer who goes

652
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.480
around in every port has a love. We all want to be Indiana.

653
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:27.920
John without so much, let'
s say transcendental and ready theme and I

654
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.719
think that also by h for seen, by zcuejo in the audience to the

655
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:36.320
beast. It' s two and
a half minutes before the briefing is cut.

656
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.960
But who wants to speak Carlos Esteban, John faith Yes, John And

657
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.599
there is one thing very minded in
Jones' India, which is the search

658
00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.880
for relics, for relics of power, which I think is mass here.

659
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.639
I mean, unlike Star Wars,
it' s an epic. This is

660
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.559
somehow a character who goes in search
of magical elements that have always sought out

661
00:48:53.639 --> 00:49:00.320
all Nazis, the Soviet Union,
the same North Americans, the great religions,

662
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.920
the crusades. It is that the
crusades were made to recover the nails

663
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.360
of Christ, in part, not
part of the motivations. Let' s

664
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:14.079
go for the longines spear and all
these elements appear in all the movies.

665
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:17.440
Thus a small one has been mentioned
in the last mention of the spear of

666
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.079
longines. In the previous one they
also mentioned the ends of Christ. Well,

667
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.000
there are a lot of things that
make this series of films that have

668
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:30.119
already ended, transformed into a movie, into something exciting, because the search

669
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:36.199
for the impossible, the search for
the objects that can transform reality, the

670
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:38.639
search for the magic that comes from
the past. That' s what I

671
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:44.880
think is Indiana jones Yeah, it' s tremendous And now here the character

672
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:49.280
basically looks for treasure. They say
that this has never been said by George

673
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:53.280
Luca nor is it Ilber Not that
they say that they were based on the

674
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:58.000
character of Silvanos Morley, that he
was the archaeologist who is caba chichen Itza

675
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:02.119
and that, besides being archaeologist at
the beginning of the 20th century, he

676
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:05.119
was a spy, was a spy
and also worked for the secret services in

677
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.159
Americans. Other people say that it
was issued in Iran Bingham has seen me

678
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:12.519
seems absurd Irambigan was the lord who
discovered Machu Pichu. But apart from discovering

679
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.239
Machu Pichu, he didn' t
do one more shit in his life and

680
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.639
ransack him because he ransacked Machu Pichu. Others also think that they perceive Fautes

681
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.440
of the colonel who was lost in
a thousand nine hundred and twenty- five

682
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.000
looking for the mythical city of Zeta, the snoring massif in Brazil. But

683
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.719
it' s not clear to me. But to everyone in life I think

684
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.679
we would ever like to be hunted
for treasure, a little womanizing and a

685
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:52.119
little drunk, as well as intellectuals. And we were talking about Indiana jones

686
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:58.280
and how it inspired even some crazy
people to get into mystery journalism. But

687
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.840
Carlos Garcia tells me that you and
I worse, what happened to Indiana joans

688
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:05.199
friend. Well, yeah, I
was telling you now that I went to

689
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.599
see her at the movies. My
uncle accompanied me, he took me,

690
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:08.159
he didn' t accompany me,
my uncle, Angel, took me.

691
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:13.400
We are going to see a very
good film by an archaeologist, which is

692
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.599
that it was very small, but
well there was an archaeologist and I went

693
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:21.519
there, of course in love so
much that the years passed and then I

694
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.679
was about to go to the University
of Salamanca to study history, because I

695
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:30.119
wanted to be an archaeologist, that
I am already history, to be an

696
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.199
archaeologist to go like Indiana jones There, looking for relics and being I of

697
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:39.039
note that we are talking about relics, being I of a totally medieval town,

698
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:43.280
in Leon, where the way of
Santiago passes, the subject of relics

699
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.239
since the Middle Ages, that you
spoke before the nails of Christ. If

700
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.719
all the nails of Christ that have
been found are joined together, you could

701
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:57.400
crucify five hundred people, just like
all the bones of Saint all the bones

702
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.920
of I don' t know of
Saint Teresa, for example, which are

703
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:05.960
sweet imagine they gave for fifteen or
fourteen skeletons. Yes, there was a

704
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:09.280
trade in important relics, such as
raising the movies line Dinera York. In

705
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:15.280
fact, these relics were fundamental because
they made people go to the cathedrals move

706
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:22.800
commerce in addition to faith. Then
there couldn' t be a cathedral without

707
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.239
relics. What if it is true
that on the way to Santiago is a

708
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:31.000
very exaggerated thing, if any B- series church has fourteen relics, the

709
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:38.280
finger of Santa Pepita and one thing
yes, yes? It is a crazy

710
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.559
thing, a copy, for example, also of the Bed linen of Landon,

711
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.079
of the Shroud of Tourism, Holy
Salary, Turin. What you said

712
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:53.400
you and some B- series saints
would say serial z, because St A

713
00:52:53.440 --> 00:53:00.280
Papucius, the great one who left
his right little finger frozen here and is

714
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:06.239
who St A Papucius was, I
don' t know, but he is

715
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:08.800
revered yes, yes. I invite
people to investigate this, all this beyond

716
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:15.119
the faith and history of the Camino
Santiago, this version, this version of

717
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:20.400
the other part of the Camino Santiago, which is very interesting and very funny.

718
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:23.599
Besides, it' s a lot
of fun. Yes yes to me,

719
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:28.639
I love to see all those relics
because they also put them in the

720
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:32.960
many times they are in showcases and
that a showcase of a normal church has

721
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:38.360
eighty riquia, that is pieces of
the Saint, the piece of the tunic

722
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:42.000
of Fulanitos. It' s one
thing you can' t believe. Juan

723
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.760
Fecastillo Blanco your opinion of Indiana,
John Artist, already caught you too,

724
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:51.320
too young, but the last feelings
were shocked. Or how you met the

725
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:57.960
saga. Well, I have different
opinions here than you. Unfortunately, I

726
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.719
' m the first one I was
at the Crystal Skull. I think it

727
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:06.119
' s called the yes and I
didn' t like the truth at all

728
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.199
And from there, like I said
anything, this, this isn' t

729
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:12.800
for me, it' s not
for me, and the Indiana jones saga

730
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:14.920
to my lard didn' t catch
me. I feel like not all of

731
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.320
me didn' t see the previous
ones. I didn' t understand,

732
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:21.599
because who wasn' t, I
mean, I think I messed up there

733
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:24.719
like I didn' t see them
before I saw this one, but yes,

734
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:28.960
the truth. I do, with
Indiana, Indiana jones, and I

735
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:32.480
' m not very close. Right, that' s the good thing.

736
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.920
You went in badly crawling and that' s what I' m told the

737
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.719
worst kid ever cried out to you
like the worst one ever. Yeah,

738
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:43.119
I just saw you the first time, because I think young people have kind

739
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.960
of a reluctance to watch old movies
because of the subject of special effects.

740
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:52.440
And so yes, yes, yes, you know that if it happens to

741
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.880
me like I already see a movie
of those old wells, unless it'

742
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:59.920
s, well, one like a
classical cult, like I don' t

743
00:54:59.920 --> 00:55:02.960
know the Padrin, things like that, but in a jones it needs a

744
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.760
little bit more like then in my
eyes I started to see cinema as it

745
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.199
' s called special effects and you
call more things. I see those movies,

746
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:20.119
and I' m kind of not
like he lacks a little bit of

747
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.519
love, the different generational versions,
which I find wonderful. That' s

748
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.159
the, that' s the reality. Well, let' s get on

749
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:30.360
with it, keep on going with
the next intina saga. John made us

750
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:37.800
dream and be a bit of a
bad archaeologist Borrachet wandering the world with x

751
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:40.480
lover who is great. And now
we' re almost going to have to

752
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:45.039
get into the mystery of literature.
With this because what we' re going

753
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:50.440
to talk about is the Lord of
the Rings and the Lord of the Rings.

754
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:52.960
We are in a literary work by
a man named Jr. R.

755
00:55:53.079 --> 00:56:00.320
Tolking, who was a professor of
English language and literature at Oxford University,

756
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:04.920
was a literary genius. I don' t think anyone in Oxford will be

757
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:09.039
given a professorship of English language and
literature. And I think it' s

758
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:15.199
a saga. I mean, it' s a saga of brutal magic and

759
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:19.800
sword that puts us into a total
and absolutely imaginary world, where the bad

760
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.920
guys are terrible and the good guys
are very good, where, from my

761
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.519
point of view, I would like
your opinion. What Tolkin does is go

762
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:32.760
through a lot of what Celtic mythology
is. And it is curious because he

763
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.559
is also based, for example,
good poetic sagas one of the 13th century,

764
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:44.760
the silk of Snori Stulson, which
is an Icelandic saga. I think

765
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.480
he puts elements in a certain autobiographical
medium. He is left orphaned at twelve

766
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:53.960
years of age and that is why
the hobby is orphaned and so and then,

767
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:58.800
from my point of view, the
clearest source of inspiration from my point

768
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.639
of view, I would like to
know your opinion of the Lord of the

769
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:08.320
Rings is the singing of the levelungos, an epic poem of the thirteenth century

770
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:13.119
German, where, of course Sigfredo
is looking for a treasure that is underground,

771
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:17.400
guarded by dwarf, where there is
a cursed ring that I think it

772
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:21.360
is as if clearer, impossible.
But what does seem fascinating to the Lord

773
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:24.000
of the Rings is that, unlike
the sagas we have talked about, which

774
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:28.639
are purely and harshly cinematic, where
they are created by screenwriters and created by

775
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.719
characters like George Lucas, director and
screenwriter, this does not, this comes

776
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:39.360
out of the magic of the brain
of a man who is a professor of

777
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:44.599
Oxford and hears this has been able
to break the barriers of time that I

778
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.480
do not know how many hundreds of
millions of books have been sold the Lord

779
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:51.960
of the Rings. Now I'
m looking for the data and, on

780
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:59.159
top of that, the movies have
been razed in the box office and I

781
00:57:59.159 --> 00:57:59.480
think they' re also thinking of
making some more film. I don'

782
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:00.960
t know if the cell or the
lion or some pod if more. I

783
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:07.360
have no idea. Well the series
you just released on the platform now is

784
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:13.000
also cast in the Lord of the
Rings. Then he created a magical universe,

785
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.880
that is, for me it was
really ahead of Star Wars, that

786
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:22.480
is, he created the magical paper
universe that in the celluloid razed carlos.

787
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:28.880
How you see him as a playwright, Well Tolkien, you' re right

788
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:32.079
about that. Not only does it
emerge from the cinematic world, but there

789
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:37.119
is a rather strong and well-
founded literary base. I mean, not

790
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:40.079
only is he a gentleman who comes
up with a series of things and links

791
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:46.559
them there, in addition to the
influences that you say You and I would

792
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:53.599
add the arturic cycles of Arthurs'
quest for the grail fell round grandeur and

793
00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:02.719
all this is also interesting to comment
that Tolkien was in World War I as

794
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:09.599
a soldier and then many of the
experiences that he also reflects as you said

795
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:16.760
autobiographical, in the cruelty of war
and the great battles that he reflected in

796
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:22.119
part lived in his flesh, in
the trenches in World War I. And

797
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.039
that I have chosen the Lord of
the Rings. A long time ago.

798
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:30.800
However, it is quite well reflected, for example, and the industrial revolution.

799
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:36.480
When forumdo retakes the hero' s
theme, he returns with the elisir

800
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:42.000
of wisdom and decides not to be
what everyone expects it to be. It

801
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:47.480
returns to a region that is totally
changed and that is modified by it has

802
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:53.039
become an industrial place where there are
large factories. Then he goes back somewhere

803
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:58.519
that' s not the same place
that he left, which gives him a

804
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:05.239
mental crack. Then, possibly everything
guides, when it was the war and

805
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.719
he came back, he found a
different England as he left it. All

806
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:15.760
that is reflected. There' s
one Maybe Esteban knows a lot about this,

807
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:20.800
too. It is said that the
overwhelming themes he writes to you are

808
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:23.800
limited in love, death and power. But there' s a fourth very

809
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:28.320
interesting topic that raises all the authors, which is, when you write something,

810
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:34.000
you' re indirectly asking who I
am. I try to answer that

811
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:37.679
question through what you write. And
in Tolkin' s case, it'

812
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:42.239
s very, very, very clear. You haven' t done a great

813
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:47.000
dissertation, because besides, in fact, the artistic myths of those knights who

814
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:50.960
are going to look for the Holy
Grail here, what they are going to

815
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.239
look for is a ring to destroy
it, so that the world can function.

816
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:57.199
And then the guy. For me
he is a genius because as a

817
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.440
linguist, because I believe even the
elf that you were in the helix,

818
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:07.760
but the guy creates an elf language
and gives them a whole series of elements

819
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:09.880
and so that makes the theme of
the elves super magical, for example.

820
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:14.920
I was looking at the data,
because they sold themselves from the Lord of

821
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:19.079
the Rings. They have sold one
hundred and fifty million books and covide one

822
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.840
hundred and forty books to give us
an idea, almost three hundred million copies.

823
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:28.119
That without counting the sill maririon or
another is one of the twenty books.

824
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:31.079
Well, those two are among the
20 best- selling books in history.

825
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:35.679
So it' s a real barbarity, because I remember when I read

826
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.559
it to myself so many years ago. Really Tolking' s descriptions make you

827
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:45.000
get into that world more and notice
that in addition to those is that the

828
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:50.000
guy was grgian. It was very
prolific, it was an author who wrote

829
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.000
a lot. There are others I
don' t know what they call another

830
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:58.719
twelve or fifteen books of Middle Earth
stories. That' s what they'

831
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:05.000
re calling the new, the new
series about, taking situations here and about

832
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.599
the new films you' ve commented
on or want to investigate, because it

833
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:12.760
' s a very, very,
very, very rich, very rich universe

834
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.039
with many things to explore yet.
Besides, the guy did nothing but write

835
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:22.760
in his life, because they are
especially extensive books. No, the guy

836
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.920
was a genius Esteban Cruz. Why
you owe it so much. Success has

837
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.119
been so great that I have.
The first contact I had with the Lord

838
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:34.039
of the Rings was a movie,
I think it was porn called the Lord

839
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:39.800
of the Guarrillos. And then,
I saw where it came from and discovered

840
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:45.039
that there was the Lord of the
Rings and that there were some very old

841
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:51.000
versions in animation. And I remember
a lot that in the eighties it was

842
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:54.159
said that the Lord of the Rings
was never going to be able to film

843
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:59.320
because there was so much fantasy,
that there was no chance that it would

844
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:00.760
be done because of the special effects
they saw at that time. And there

845
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.159
were and it was done. And
good and yet. Peter Jackson had to

846
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:13.239
cut the films because they were four
or five hours old and he had to

847
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:15.920
cut them out for three hours,
which is something that is quite interesting.

848
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:19.840
Again, speaking of archetypes, what
we' re going to see here are

849
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.960
John' s classic archetypes. I
think John kissed and for him it would

850
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:28.000
be dessert. He would say my
God is my theory come true, because

851
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:35.639
we see the archetype of the magician, who is grandalf the archetype of the

852
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:38.280
hero who is frodo, who is
the hero who gives everything for something,

853
01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:42.639
the archetype of the warrior, the
archetype even of the evil of the dragon.

854
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.840
It' s like there' s
a psychoanalysis work. I think Freud

855
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:50.159
would have seen this, made my
God here I can write a new treatise.

856
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:54.280
I take the edipus and break it
for why, because it is incredibly

857
01:03:54.360 --> 01:04:00.519
of the inner world of each,
of the unconscious, collective, as I

858
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:01.559
would say, as yung would say. So, there I think it'

859
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.760
s the key. I think it
reflects all the impulses of humanity and shows

860
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:13.840
us different types of personality, all
together working as a group as a community.

861
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:17.519
And that' s what I want
to claim, not as a chance

862
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:20.960
to see ourselves. Yeah, I
think that' s very curious. Not

863
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:28.360
the magician, the warrior, the
hero, the villain, the impossible love

864
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:32.039
is worth another element that cannot be
missed in the great novels. So,

865
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:35.960
of course, I think it'
s a good combination. You' ve

866
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:39.360
already seen the figures on the books. It' s ridiculous, that is,

867
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:43.800
those two have sold almost three hundred
million copies. It' s a

868
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:47.320
typical barbarity. It' s a
great classic in science, fiction that'

869
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:53.199
s going to be eternal. Alejandro
Larnal, what did you think of the

870
01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:55.800
Lord of the Rings, because it
is his success. Well, Juan,

871
01:04:55.880 --> 01:05:00.920
I think that in that sense,
Tolkien bases his great success and his great

872
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:06.119
merit on taking much of those myths, from those great stories of the Celts,

873
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:14.440
giving them a turn of the eye, creating an impressive universe of literature

874
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:18.280
from which were inspired several of the
finest films and perhaps one of the sagas

875
01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:23.599
from the point of view of the
most important cinema of all time. And

876
01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:28.280
one thing that I have always loved
about Tolken Juange and listeners is that this

877
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.400
man took many experiences of his own, also things that happened to him throughout

878
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.320
his life and transported them to his
work, to his books, for example,

879
01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:41.760
the concept of the region where the
Hobbits live, this rural environment,

880
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.920
very quiet, very far away,
let' s say from a war environment.

881
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:50.639
It turns out that Mr Thorkin took
him out of the village where he

882
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:55.119
grew up, from Sart Hall,
which is a rural area very close to

883
01:05:55.119 --> 01:06:00.000
Birmingham. He said that he grew
up basically in a very small, very

884
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:04.159
quiet region where everyone knew each other, very similar to what he represented from

885
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:11.840
the Hobbits' life. Also and
this already in a personal way, Tolkien

886
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:16.639
wanted to represent through that almost impossible
relationship between Arwin and Aragon. Arwin an

887
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:23.639
elf and Aragon a human, an
impossible love that he lived in his life

888
01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:27.360
the same tol as a juan,
which turns out that he was in love

889
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:31.519
with a woman named Edith Matty Bratt, a woman who was three years older

890
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:38.360
than him, was a young woman
who already at that time had a suitor,

891
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:44.599
wanted to marry that man, and
Mr Tolkien prevented that marriage, that

892
01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:48.360
impossible love. He felt absolutely in
love with this woman and then Eddith Marite

893
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:54.960
Brat became his wife. As a
curious detail of this kind of details that

894
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:59.960
man impressed in his work his personal
experiences and another very interesting detail also Juan,

895
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:04.960
regarding Afrodo Bolson. And well this
story that has to do with lod

896
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:11.159
Hobbit, it turns out that Mr
Tolken had been an orphan. He lost

897
01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:15.719
his mother at the age of nine, a few years later to his father,

898
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:21.400
and he wanted to imbue part of
this experience with Frodo' s life

899
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.679
and included it in his book and
was then represented in the film. So,

900
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:30.079
in this way we see as details
and characteristics of the life of Mr

901
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:34.320
Tool, who were included in the
work and subsequently represented on the Great screen.

902
01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:40.360
Juan is a real wonder, and
he took a lot of his personal

903
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:42.880
elements and I think he was a
kind of guy who wrote because he liked

904
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:46.079
it better than even he thought he
was going to sell so many millions of

905
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:50.239
copies. Obviously, he had a
very good job, being an Anglo-

906
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:57.400
Saxon professor of language and literature at
Oxford, and the guy was really a

907
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.280
genius, because he created a magical
world in which they have immersed themselves.

908
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:04.960
I no longer feel billions of people
now, through the film Juan fe Castil

909
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:11.880
Blanco, the generation of young people. Or the Lord of the Rings arrives

910
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:14.920
so much. Or not, or
it happens to you like Limiana Jons No,

911
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:18.680
no. Not the Lord of the
Rings and I like very much also

912
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:24.319
listed as one of the best trilogies
in the history of cinema. Also,

913
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:29.119
as a curious fact, not only
as in box office or in books as

914
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:31.880
well, but also in prizes The
Lord of the Rings and the return of

915
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.720
the King and is of the most
oscar films in history, along with Titanic

916
01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:42.800
and Ben Hur have eleven eleven statuettes
of the films. Then it also shows

917
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:48.840
the quality of the films they made. I also find it impressive that the

918
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:55.399
films were recorded in the' 90s
I think they recorded the three films in

919
01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:59.840
one. The three films were recorded
one by one and that allowed them to

920
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:01.560
be released in two thousand one,
two thousand two and two thousand three.

921
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.560
I think they took it out with
a year' s difference every one that

922
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:10.640
I think helped, too, because
it wasn' t too hard to wait

923
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:13.319
five years for the next movie to
be released. Or that' s like

924
01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:16.800
people already, like they bore him. And also the last thing I wanted

925
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:20.039
to say was like special effects,
since we' re talking about that in

926
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:25.319
old movies. Well they were,
they were old, but these special effects

927
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.520
have nothing to envy to movies right
now, they don' t see the

928
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:31.760
movies as with the bad effects that
doesn' t tell them how I'

929
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:36.239
m going in the nineties, with
that technology that they had and they could

930
01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:43.039
do this and now, more,
with even more technology and make the half

931
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:45.119
- chambona movies that tells us how
amazing Shina. Yeah, me, the

932
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.159
only thing I didn' t like
was that in the prequel, in the

933
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:54.279
hobby, making him a trilogy.
That' s where they extended it to

934
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:58.319
the absurd, that is, I
think they broke the magic of the whole

935
01:09:58.319 --> 01:09:59.960
film saga. I don' t
mean, I think they had to have

936
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:02.880
made one condition right and not three. Well, to get money, the

937
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:06.880
detail that the trilogy had recorded has
not come out, while that had to

938
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:13.159
be a work Carlos has made series
of fission, but titanic of mad.

939
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:20.319
They spent three years recording them in
several places, especially in New Zealand,

940
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:25.439
which is where all the exteriors were
recorded, all those valleys, those mountains

941
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.760
and such are from New Zealand.
And there' s a funny fact about

942
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:32.159
this. When the actors' team
of the ring lords trilogy, when the

943
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:39.880
films were finished, they all made
the same tattoo to remember this if it

944
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:45.640
was a tattoo that was the nine
in the phyco, because the team of

945
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:53.960
nine main actors were living together practically
three years between New Zealand, studies in

946
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:57.840
London and other places. And everyone
has a tattoo that' s a nine

947
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:03.520
in elfico, that remembers that,
that odyssey and clear curiosities of filming,

948
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:10.239
because there are many three years notice, there are many. You have to

949
01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:15.079
remember. Watch out that Peter Jackson
started with a movie that I love that

950
01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:20.199
your mother ate my dog. Your
mother ate my dog. I don'

951
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:27.560
t know. Enough was enough,
your mother ate my dog, which is

952
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:32.439
an absolute sparrow with liters of blood
everywhere. You don' t ask him

953
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:33.840
anymore. I don' t ask
Juan if he' s seen her anymore.

954
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:43.479
Obviously not, from the sixties where
a Spanish actress acted, by the

955
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:47.680
way they are acting yes, a
about Max was well known in Spain because

956
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:53.359
to make movies and television. I
don' t remember her name right now.

957
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:55.279
I' m telling you, I' m looking for him right now.

958
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:58.279
I' m telling you, it
was the weirdest thing this broad does,

959
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:03.079
that he went to Australia to record
this Gore movie with Peter Jackson when

960
01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:08.600
he started and cijata where Peter Jackson
got to and where he is, of

961
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:10.720
course, he didn' t remember
the Gore genre anymore. I believe that

962
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:15.239
we have already closed the subject of
Mr de los Anills, and I did

963
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:18.720
not remember the genre of Gore,
which I believe has already disappeared. Not

964
01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:21.479
for people who don' t know. I don' t know if Juan

965
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:26.159
Fe ever seen in a gore movie
or wasn' t all Serie B bad,

966
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:30.880
but terrible practices. They were all
zombies. And then the zombies when

967
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.279
they were killed, because guts were
coming out everywhere and the zombies devoured people

968
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:36.920
and ate them and it was obvious
that, instead of blood, because obviously,

969
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:42.319
it was water with coloring that they
had in their mouths and it was

970
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:46.359
a very ridiculous thing, but it
gave us morbidness. I don' t

971
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:50.960
know why I love Serie B movies, bad movies. I love about all

972
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:57.000
the bad zombie leagues and terror.
I enjoy it because I know where the

973
01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:01.279
difference between terror and comedy is.
Okay, there' s an invisible line.

974
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.800
That' s hard there. This. Do they do it for us

975
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:10.800
to laugh? They do it so
we' re scared it goes very well

976
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:15.319
because and Ba Payok on YouTube,
which is on YouTube fablmente, because that

977
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:17.279
' s what it is. Basically
that. I think this Esteban has something,

978
01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:23.960
this is a Gordin Freep expert.
I remember seeing bad things and I

979
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:27.520
remember Peter Jackson saying that he had
done that with friends and they had recorded

980
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:30.479
it with almost homemade cameras, and
that' s what made him so famous,

981
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:33.319
because it doesn' t look like
a Hollywood studio b movie, but

982
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:38.840
they did it hand- in-
hand and there are some amazing scenes with

983
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:43.800
some aliens. But I remember if
something nasty and unclean and rotten. It

984
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:47.920
was a film he made after it
was the next one called mid the Fables

985
01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:54.079
and Meted Fables. It' s
a movie Peter Jackson made, which is

986
01:13:54.520 --> 01:14:00.199
like moppets, but completely junkies with
venereal diseases. In other words, it

987
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:04.079
' s something like that. Vomiting
and I remember it. You' ve

988
01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:08.439
seen it many times. I saw
her like three times and I remember seeing

989
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:12.439
her and my dad was looking at
me like I have to wear a psychiatrist,

990
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:21.000
because she was really insane. It
was insane the maps with venereal diseases

991
01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:24.720
I' ve checked, I'
ve already looked at the data. The

992
01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:29.319
Spanish actress does not go on bat
and comes out the after Nit the Fabers,

993
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:33.279
which is called Brinded, which is
also a gore they are. I

994
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:38.239
think they' re both YouTube Binder
and Suffice Nit the Favers' I don

995
01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:41.000
' t know. I had long
been her name Diana Peñalvert, as she

996
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.239
went to Australia to record with Peter
Jackson. Long before the big ones long

997
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:50.920
before the big actors of Lord of
the Rings and Binder' s is also

998
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:59.640
one thing. His character Brinde is
called Paquita María Salas, who was a

999
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:02.680
spain living in Australia, who I
don' t know why Peter Jackson put

1000
01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:06.800
a Spanish, a Spanish woman in
his film, because I don' t

1001
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:12.640
know why he' s called Paquita
Maria. The magic of series B cinema

1002
01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:15.119
that I think has already been lost. I would remember all my life those

1003
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:20.720
thirty- year- old Japanese films, that all Godzilla against King Kong or

1004
01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:25.399
Godzilla against other monsters, and it
was noticeable that they were dolls and moved

1005
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:30.720
it like that and it was that
I didn' t know whether laughing or

1006
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:32.279
terrified was great. Chap has already
lost the magic of all this kind of

1007
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:47.800
sheath and we have opened the melon
of terror with the gore, as I

1008
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:53.039
have missed that gore. Of course, the gobio was to stop him by

1009
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:57.560
taking a beer because if there was
no one to say it. We have

1010
01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:00.800
opened the melon of horror cinema,
the horror cinema that has had throughout the

1011
01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:04.279
history different boom. I think the
last big boom was when the movie was

1012
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:09.600
made the sixth sense, and it' s a boom that' s lasted

1013
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:14.680
until a few years ago and now
I create my feelings that after coviding people

1014
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:21.159
terror costs them. But terror didn' t leave a movie that are classics

1015
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:25.520
of cinema, that are masterful masters
of Carlos is telling me almost that.

1016
01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:32.039
Now you pass films that are magisterial, such as the exorcist based on a

1017
01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:38.119
novel by Peter Blatti and a real
exorcism, in exorcism by Robert Manhein,

1018
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:42.079
Alejandro Barnar tell us, on what
is based the history of the exorcist and

1019
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:44.640
all the details of the film we
already give you. I pass to Carlos

1020
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:47.560
García, because for me it is
the best horror movie in history. I

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01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:53.800
believe that the icing put in this
case by the exorcist in a thousand nine

1022
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:57.760
hundred and seventy- three has not
been re- matched by any production of

1023
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:03.840
this genre in the history of the
Seventh Art jue that this event takes us

1024
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:09.520
until the 20th of August of a
thousand nine hundred and forty- nine,

1025
01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:15.880
when the Washington Post, one of
the most important newspapers in the United States,

1026
01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:20.560
publishes a report that speaks of an
exorcism that was performed on a child,

1027
01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:27.760
to a supposed Roland Dow at least
so identified at the time, and

1028
01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:33.359
when William Peter Blatty was able to
read this report by Washington Post was really

1029
01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:40.760
impressed. He felt that it was
a very good idea to be able to

1030
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.199
transfer him to the seventh art and
as a very curious fact Juange. While

1031
01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:48.439
Peter Blatty was finding out what had
happened in this story of this infant,

1032
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:55.159
Roland Dow took a mind- blowing
surprise from one of the most impressive exorcism

1033
01:17:55.199 --> 01:18:02.880
cases of all time. Ron'
s investigations of Peter Blatti and other curious

1034
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:10.239
regarding this Washington Post article, Wange
learned that later this child had identified himself

1035
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:18.399
as Robert Manheim, a teenager who
at the age of thirteen had been the

1036
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:27.840
victim of demonic possession. After having
done some Wiham board sessions they would have

1037
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:32.520
opened a door to the beyond the
interesting thing about this Juange is that the

1038
01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:36.920
family begins to report that Robert Manheim
is a teenager. He started having erratic

1039
01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:45.680
behavior. Strange noises began to be
heard in the house and they decided to

1040
01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:49.159
contact the Lutheran pastor. Reverend Luthor
Miles Shulls, who, in fact,

1041
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:56.279
had the opportunity to see the young
man, found that he had a very

1042
01:18:56.479 --> 01:19:02.479
strange behavior and that inexplicable events were
happening in the house and Luther Mike decided

1043
01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:08.479
to contact a Catholic priest, in
this case Raymond J. Bishop, who

1044
01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:15.560
in the company of another body of
priests Juange, Edward Hughes, Walter Haroland

1045
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:21.039
and William S Bowdern, decided to
form a team to help accompany Raymond Bishop

1046
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:27.239
to carry out the release of this
case because what Luther thousands said is happening

1047
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:32.239
here very rare things are happening.
This is more for Catholics. You have

1048
01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:35.800
more training in this regard than you
are in charge of this. And Lutherans

1049
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:40.960
don' t admit pphysm sexers,
they exactly lubricate it. They don'

1050
01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:44.239
t emit asorphisms for that. No. So, even though the family was

1051
01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:48.960
Lutheran, they laid hands on Father
Bishop, who was also a psychologist,

1052
01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:53.600
it was he who made the daughter
with his aunt, it was his uncle,

1053
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:56.159
with his aunt and it is his
aunt who dies. And the priest.

1054
01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:59.920
This Lutheran stays in shop because he
says that in the house, that

1055
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:03.640
is, strange noises were heard and
claw marks appeared on the walls. Specifically,

1056
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:09.600
and the exorcist who carries out the
exorcist, who is Father Bulldiing,

1057
01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:15.000
who had experience in visions and was
the second Sorcist. There was a first

1058
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:18.279
one who tried to hold him,
but the boy broke his arm. He

1059
01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:23.800
ripped a pier out of the hospital
bed and broke his arm. And then

1060
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:29.199
that' s why he arrived in
Bulldeig and the esorfism lasted months, in

1061
01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:32.000
that months and months and it was
in Holy Week when he ended up counting

1062
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:35.640
Bulldin. I had a moment that
the boy told him that he saw a

1063
01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:40.119
light and then he started telling him
the bull Daine see if you' re

1064
01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:41.560
like in a well. Go make
the light. Make the light, go

1065
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:45.399
make the light. And so ended
the exorcism of Robert Manging, who is

1066
01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:49.000
one of the most famous in the
history of the Catholic Church. I think

1067
01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:54.960
the 20th century, by far,
is super documented. I in Spain,

1068
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:58.399
many years ago remove the report on
this. You access it to the nephew

1069
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:01.119
' s father' s statements.
Father nephew was the one who shared room

1070
01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:05.960
with Bullding and in those statements exactly
what the nephew' s father said that

1071
01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:12.720
Boldain told him that they decided to
do the exorcism because one night they were

1072
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:16.479
with the child, he spoke in
perfect English backwards. And that' s

1073
01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:21.239
complicated, because a few words from
the kid put them in and I was

1074
01:21:21.319 --> 01:21:25.920
speaking perfect English backwards. There were
cases of editing of the child, moving

1075
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:31.520
the furniture. According to church chronicles, he dermagraphs what appears in the film

1076
01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:36.199
that the child showed him my help. That' s true, according to

1077
01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:39.880
ecclesiastical chronicles, and then it'
s a story. There was a tremendous

1078
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:45.079
fear, but it has to be
said that the film is very good,

1079
01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:48.399
that is, the scene, for
example, of the girl throwing up the

1080
01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:55.159
priest. I think we' ve
had it all recorded our whole life since

1081
01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:59.920
childhood. And then, when they
put the scenes she didn' t put

1082
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:02.880
in, she put the girl in
the movie walking like a crab down the

1083
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:09.319
stairs. And so, I think
that and these titles of mystery journalist and

1084
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:12.279
I think I don' t know
if Alejandro agrees with me, there'

1085
01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:15.479
s nothing more scary than the devil
doesn' t care about the spirit,

1086
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:20.000
the spectrum of that. The demon
wins from beatings because it' s ancestral,

1087
01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:25.159
it' s archetypal and you can
be the coolest guy in the world

1088
01:22:25.239 --> 01:22:26.680
that you don' t believe in
anything. But they tell you about the

1089
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:30.600
devil and you hear two weird noises
and you poop and that' s what

1090
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:32.960
the movie Carlos plays with, which
was there that told me he didn'

1091
01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:35.720
t agree. Also, with that
terror is not fashionable look, we only

1092
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:40.239
talked about it part of the other
day at the University, in the talks

1093
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:47.479
you saw, there are statistics of
collection by genres that can be searched on

1094
01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.840
the Internet and in various portals.
No. And while terror is never the

1095
01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:58.039
first, because in recent years there
is the first adventure, superhero action you.

1096
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:05.119
The horror genre is constant, its
face- to- face is constant,

1097
01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:11.239
and then more films are produced,
many more films, but with much

1098
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:14.159
less budget. So you make a
movie of Captain America, for example,

1099
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:19.600
you make fifty horror movies. Then
the number of productions of horror genre is

1100
01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:28.479
much higher than that of any other
genre in the last fifteen years. Practically

1101
01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:33.159
so that a little what we were
saying the other day, that the situation

1102
01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:40.920
of instability, terror arises in times
of crisis also global. The ex-

1103
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:46.520
sorgist comes out in the seventies as
the great sagas of terror, also like

1104
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:50.840
Halloween, rule thirteen in the seventies, sheltered by the oil crises of the

1105
01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:55.800
seventies, moments where humanity, where
people do not know what will happen.

1106
01:23:56.199 --> 01:24:00.560
We saw that situation of ten years
old, we don' t know what

1107
01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:05.800
' s going to happen ten years
ago and that serial terror b floods the

1108
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:11.199
platforms, for example, in Netflix
there are a thousand horror movies, in

1109
01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:15.760
Max there are not how many millions. Even in Disney, within its characteristics

1110
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:23.520
produce little things that have to do
with a very childish terror. AC is

1111
01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:28.479
that they already terrorize teenagers. Or
that' s yes, then terror doesn

1112
01:24:29.079 --> 01:24:31.000
' t win by beating. But
it' s always there. It'

1113
01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:35.399
s always there constantly, constantly,
constantly. I think it' s a

1114
01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:41.520
need for us to see that kind
of story. And about the orphist,

1115
01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:45.920
you were saying I put it on
my students not long ago when I got

1116
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:48.399
out of the pandemic. Of course
they laughed at the special effects. True,

1117
01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:57.159
laughter and such escaped, but history
struck them. There was another level

1118
01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:01.119
in history, another level. There
are scenes that we don' t believe.

1119
01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:12.359
Others are very well- rounded,
but the story of the background is

1120
01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:16.399
what really comes and does get a
little comfortable. For me it' s

1121
01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:18.720
the classic of classics. I think
it' s the movie that gave me

1122
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:21.920
the most terror. So is the
spell. It scared the shit out of

1123
01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:25.399
me. I only saw the first
one,' cause now I' m

1124
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:27.159
lumping up. It' s hard
for me to see terror. And the

1125
01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:32.840
other horror movie, which I thought
was a wonder, is the prophecy again

1126
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:39.760
with the demon, the child Damian
and so bad, Esteban Cruz, who

1127
01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:45.239
is an anthropologist. I believe that
terror has an element that is impressive in

1128
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:50.279
all of us, which is the
possibility of being able to live to the

1129
01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:56.079
extreme the most horrible things without having
to be there. Not then are we

1130
01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:59.720
spectators of death, of the massacre, of the supernatural, of the demons,

1131
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:03.159
without it touching us. And that
takes us like on a roller coaster.

1132
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:08.560
When we got off the roller coaster, we said huy almost killed me

1133
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:12.039
uy was in front of the vertigo
in the horror movie it' s the

1134
01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:15.159
same. But here' s one
very interesting thing I think about, and

1135
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:18.520
it' s that in recent years
there have also emerged some horror classics that

1136
01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:20.720
for me are no longer easy to
digest. I mean, I sit down

1137
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:27.560
to see the quiet prophecy literally compared
to what they' re doing now.

1138
01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:31.000
I mean, I don' t
know if you' ve seen, but

1139
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:35.680
heredity and other kind of movies you' re making now of terror really that

1140
01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:42.640
does disturb one, that is,
let' s say this looks like a

1141
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.800
fairy tale, prophecy and exorcism compared
to everything you' re doing now,

1142
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:47.840
because it' s pretty much a
mascia between gor and a terror. A

1143
01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:55.520
little more subtle also with noises,
with music that disturbs you with much more

1144
01:26:55.560 --> 01:27:00.840
force. Not then, yes,
we have now had some real Mixomar films,

1145
01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:03.560
for example Mitchomar, which is a
film that leaves one disturbed and cannot

1146
01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:06.479
sleep in ten days. I mean, one, there' s God,

1147
01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:12.800
I want to see the prophecy again
as I eat more melos days, Santo,

1148
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:16.680
ay bueno, by order that I' m already messing with Alejandro Bernar,

1149
01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:19.760
Carlos García, Juan Fegas. The
bass serves as point data. Robert

1150
01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:27.399
Manheim' s exorcism of this teenager
culminated on April 18, nineteen hundred and

1151
01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:30.760
forty- nine, just as you
described it. He said that the priest

1152
01:27:31.399 --> 01:27:38.119
had possibly invoked the favor of St
Michael Archangel, who had indeed produced this

1153
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:44.600
liberation, this release of this demon
that this teenager had And it turns out

1154
01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:47.239
that a few years ago, a
magazine in the United States, the Skepticallin

1155
01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:54.039
Quaire, decided to do an investigation
with some of the priests and relatives,

1156
01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:59.359
trying to trace in this case the
name of Pila, the real name and,

1157
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:02.640
in fact, Robert Mann had existed
or if it had also been another

1158
01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:11.560
invention, Juange, wounded with this
case the real identity of the young man

1159
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:15.079
who was the protagonist of this liberation, one of the most important exorcisms of

1160
01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:19.199
the 20th century. Juange Ronald Hunkeler, a man who, during his adult

1161
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:25.920
life, ended up becoming a NASA
engineer, that is, the character who

1162
01:28:26.039 --> 01:28:31.279
inspired the film of prophecy. He
had a professional career at NASA quite interesting

1163
01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:35.760
and by way of strange things that
happened in the shooting of the film Juange

1164
01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:44.199
It turns out that, when they
were finishing the pre- production process,

1165
01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:48.079
they decided to hire a priest to
do an exorcism on the set to push

1166
01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:51.359
away the bad spirits, because very
strange things were happening in the shooting.

1167
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:56.520
It is said, for example,
that the actress who played Regan Nadmiel,

1168
01:28:56.600 --> 01:29:01.199
the protagonist, the girl incarnated by
Linda Bloor, at some point in that

1169
01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:08.079
state where she was possessed, predicted
the death of someone who was part of

1170
01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:13.520
the production technical team. This person, in fact, died, and in

1171
01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:19.199
total, John G numbered between four
and nine people who died in various events,

1172
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:24.560
between four and nine people related to
the prophecy production team who died in

1173
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:29.079
strange circumstances. You mean no prophecy, if you don' t mean exorcist.

1174
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:38.119
Exorcist Carlos Garcia did say about the
prophecy. Now a movie has come

1175
01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:42.279
out. The first prophecy, which
is happening before the prophecy and was already

1176
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:46.000
at the end, is being simulated. Or that it took us a long

1177
01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:51.880
time to get to the platform.
It' s funny what we were talking

1178
01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:58.680
about terror, because yes I think
it' s a necessity we have,

1179
01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:03.119
just like when they told us stories
that Joseph comes back here again to change,

1180
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:10.479
just like when they told us stories
about the fire Jun next to a

1181
01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:16.920
cave there, when we arrived at
caverns, other ancestors usually those stories,

1182
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:20.520
because they used to have something that
impacted. We do nothing but reproduce all

1183
01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:27.279
those habits through this kind of horror
films as Esteban Nidsommar has said, which

1184
01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:31.439
is a film that has a lot
to do with the anthropological, with the

1185
01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:40.560
rites, I will say floral,
please, with other types of rites not

1186
01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:48.520
to them, tactical, The florals, are others, etcetera. And we

1187
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:54.560
need them to scare us. We
need you to tell us those things like

1188
01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:58.840
when you analyze children' s stories
a little bit and you see that basically,

1189
01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:01.000
in every children' s story there
is a terrifying story. No little

1190
01:31:01.159 --> 01:31:05.239
Red Riding Hood pussy that the wolf
eats the girl, so people don'

1191
01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:12.079
t think about it. The wolf
eats the girl and tells the girl not

1192
01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:15.479
to go alone in the woods,
because they can you. The least they

1193
01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:19.039
can do to you? It'
s stealing from you, is that the

1194
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:20.279
least they can do to you?
I can do a thousand things to you.

1195
01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:25.000
I don' t think we need
to be told this. And I

1196
01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:28.800
think that the horror genre is always
going to have its place, even if

1197
01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:30.960
it doesn' t sign up,
as I said before, it' s

1198
01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:33.239
always going to be there. I
think that' s good, although there

1199
01:31:33.319 --> 01:31:35.920
' s one thing in terror.
The genre I like is parodic terror.

1200
01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:43.680
I love parodic terror, I love
comic terror, coct terror, okay,

1201
01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:48.640
I love holy day. Yeah,
I think it' s necessary, I

1202
01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:51.479
mean, to see myself for a
while that I loved horror movies. It

1203
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:56.079
doesn' t cost me the truth
anymore, no, but it' s

1204
01:31:56.199 --> 01:32:00.079
true that many people need it,
because that' s because suddenly they scare

1205
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:03.359
you up the line and such Juan
Felipe sings white castel. How people see,

1206
01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:09.600
how young people consume the end of
terror. Good for us, so

1207
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:12.239
do I, for example, the
exorcist, the' 70s. I don

1208
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:15.680
' t think I' ve seen
that one. I have to admit to

1209
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:18.560
the movies. The first horror movie
was that of exorcism, but Emily Rose.

1210
01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:23.319
I don' t know if it' s tight and really good.

1211
01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:26.720
That was the first one and I
was already small. So, I kind

1212
01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:30.079
of got traumatized for a while from
the horror movies. Already after growing up

1213
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:32.279
a little bit, I began to
like it more, as I began to

1214
01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:34.359
eat more affection and especially, when
the spell came out. Like you said,

1215
01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:39.680
I' m also made that the
success of those movies is like they

1216
01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:42.880
' re based on real fact.
The Warrens, who are the couple who

1217
01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:46.680
go out in the spell Deelorraine Warren, really existed already, but they existed.

1218
01:32:48.279 --> 01:32:50.960
The cases of the first and second
films, the third, I'

1219
01:32:50.960 --> 01:32:56.239
m not sure, were real.
Obviously, Hollywood exaggerates them a little bit,

1220
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but because, I mean, the
cases happened, the demons then existed

1221
01:33:01.439 --> 01:33:04.119
those cases. Like that, as
well as the movie having I don'

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01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:11.279
t know something more exciting for me. For me and something that Carlos mentioned

1223
01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:15.079
just a little bit ago that the
budget horror movies, that is, have

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01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:19.399
very little budgets. Last year a
film came out of a small studio called

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01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:24.199
twenty- four. The film is
called Tok Tomi Talk to Me. I

1226
01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:28.159
don' t know if they saw
her. The budget was$ 4 million,

1227
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:31.840
but the film doesn' t feel
like a series b It doesn'

1228
01:33:31.920 --> 01:33:35.079
t feel like a movie. Just
like homemade, the movie doesn' t

1229
01:33:35.119 --> 01:33:40.840
feel like it had a giant budget. Very good, very good of the

1230
01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:43.960
best films of the last years for
here that I have seen in terror.

1231
01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:49.600
Too good, and the cool thing
about that movie was like in all the

1232
01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:54.600
exorcist movies. And no one wants
them to own it. Obviously, the

1233
01:33:54.680 --> 01:34:00.640
demons got into this toctomy and no
spoilers or anything. Young people want to

1234
01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:03.439
be possessed, they want to prove
that they feel possessed. So that made

1235
01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:08.319
me a different approach to horror movies
that I liked very much and if you

1236
01:34:08.560 --> 01:34:12.279
haven' t seen it, see
them very good, well, thank you

1237
01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:15.920
very much for that Council. Well, sir, you' ve got five

1238
01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:19.000
minutes to get to the end of
the show, not six minutes, and

1239
01:34:19.119 --> 01:34:21.439
then what I want to see is
that we have time to make some final

1240
01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:28.079
conclusions. Here in good condition,
we start with Mr Esteban Cruz, who

1241
01:34:28.119 --> 01:34:33.039
has a YouTube channel called Crilliente'
s Cross audios. Esteban Croue your conclusion,

1242
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:36.039
your closure. Why we' re
such movie fans. I believe that

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01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:43.960
chine allows us to see and allow
us to feel, to feel things that

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01:34:44.039 --> 01:34:47.039
are in our imagination and that we
sometimes consider impossible. When we watch Indiana

1245
01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:53.680
Jones on the screen, when we
watch Luke Skywalker, when we watch horror

1246
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:58.600
movies, we feel in our soul, in our heart. What these protagonists

1247
01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:02.600
feel is neuronal effect, they are
mirror neurons and so on. And that

1248
01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:06.000
and that is living other lives.
And I believe that cinema allows us the

1249
01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:12.079
illusion of living other lives and living
fantastic impossible worlds. And that' s

1250
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:15.079
what remains a mystery to me and
continues to the Cross. It' s

1251
01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:18.920
the YouTube channel. You can look
for it. Place Writing Cross on YouTube.

1252
01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:23.640
They write Cruz, writer on YouTube. There it is, they subscribe.

1253
01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:26.880
It' s free and there'
s a lot of mystery issues like

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01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:28.840
this and a lot more. Thank
you very much, Juan Que for the

1255
01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:33.399
invitation, thanks to you friend Carlos, friend, because cinema is pure magic

1256
01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:38.840
and it is not only mysteries,
but magic and indeed, that ability that

1257
01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:41.960
it has to do beyond. Well, a little more I can add to

1258
01:35:41.960 --> 01:35:45.600
what you said to with what Esteban
said. From that angle I go back

1259
01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:48.680
to what he said in the end, forgiveness at first. Cinema is a

1260
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:55.800
mystery in itself. I still find
it wonderful to put in front of a

1261
01:35:56.159 --> 01:36:00.640
screen and see what they tell me
and see what they tell me and how

1262
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:04.319
they tell me. On Sunday,
a few days ago I went to see

1263
01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:10.920
the second part of it and it
still impresses me. I' m still

1264
01:36:10.960 --> 01:36:13.319
impressed to get into a dark place
because I' m from alcina. Although

1265
01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:16.279
I really like watching movies at home, it' s another way, but

1266
01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:19.840
I like going to the movies.
I' ve grown up with it.

1267
01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:25.439
It' s wonderful to me.
It' s an experience you have to

1268
01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:29.960
live and I think that, unfortunately, you' re missing the fact of

1269
01:36:30.079 --> 01:36:32.720
going to the movies, going to
the living room and enjoying that event.

1270
01:36:33.119 --> 01:36:38.920
I hope, I hope, it
doesn' t get lost, even if

1271
01:36:39.039 --> 01:36:39.800
it' s for minorities and I
wouldn' t want to lose it.

1272
01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:42.600
I' m saying that sometimes it' s hard for me and I like

1273
01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:45.039
to see it at home, but
I think it' s necessary, because

1274
01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:48.039
it doesn' t take us anywhere
else. It makes us dream and we

1275
01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:51.000
need to dream. We need to
escape this world continuously at every minute.

1276
01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:58.159
And you get that from a century
ago, and I hope it goes on

1277
01:36:58.279 --> 01:37:03.720
for another two centuries. How I
hope it continues that good reflection you have

1278
01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:08.279
made friend Carlos García, in the
sense of the crisis in which he is

1279
01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:10.720
entering the cinema, because people no
longer want to leave home. We want

1280
01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:15.880
to see it all on the platform
and it' s like it' s

1281
01:37:15.159 --> 01:37:17.479
slowly shrinking and that' s it. I don' t know the magic

1282
01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:24.960
to go to the movies to eat
your chryspeta, your coke tail in one

1283
01:37:25.079 --> 01:37:28.399
with a gigantic screen and now more
than you can see the cinema in three

1284
01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:30.039
d put on your glasses and a
music that shakes your soul. It'

1285
01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:34.399
s a shame we' re losing, losing that. Juan fe Castel Blanco,

1286
01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:39.600
your conclusion and your close friend,
because the cinema magic mystery and will

1287
01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:43.920
always accompany us. I feel like
the chine will always accompany us, because

1288
01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:47.159
it' s like an escape we
have. Sometimes you' re in that

1289
01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:51.359
reality. It also helps us like
going to different fantastic worlds, as Esteban

1290
01:37:51.439 --> 01:37:57.159
said, and feeling like we'
re part of a bigger world, which

1291
01:37:57.239 --> 01:38:00.600
is that we' re here.
Also if it helps us to do that,

1292
01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:04.399
like to escape and to feel calmer, they also do in some cases,

1293
01:38:05.720 --> 01:38:11.279
doing catharsis you go to the movies
and sometimes you cry you laugh you

1294
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:13.039
get scared and that' s magic. That' s magic to me,

1295
01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:16.920
and that feels like they just feel
nothing, you just get to feel in

1296
01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:19.840
a movie room in the house.
You might as well, but movie theaters

1297
01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:26.119
for me can' t die.
And hopefully, they' ll get more

1298
01:38:26.920 --> 01:38:29.520
strength, because that is, with
the same strength as before, because it

1299
01:38:29.640 --> 01:38:31.840
' s really amazing to go to
the movies and experience that there. Thank

1300
01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:35.560
you very much, John faith and
your channel of instagram is and polículas,

1301
01:38:35.960 --> 01:38:41.199
I repeat, and very well polículas, Alejandro Bernal, your conclusion of your

1302
01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:44.800
final friend. You couldn' t
understand the 20th century without the cinema.

1303
01:38:45.079 --> 01:38:48.760
For me one of the most important
forms of entertainment of the last century and

1304
01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:53.760
in the present, used by the
Nazis to be propaganda. But the great

1305
01:38:54.319 --> 01:38:59.159
dream machine of the 20th century.
For me it was the cinema and you

1306
01:38:59.239 --> 01:39:01.479
can follow me on social networks,
on Twitter, Instagram and tiktok, on

1307
01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:06.159
Arroba, alevernal Press and if you
like my work, I invite you to

1308
01:39:06.359 --> 01:39:13.199
subscribe to my YouTube channel. Mandra
Misterius, Mandragora Mysteries on YouTube, because

1309
01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:17.479
it seems wonderful to me to be
able to see another world and touch them,

1310
01:39:18.079 --> 01:39:25.239
even with the tip of our fingers, simply sitting in front of a

1311
01:39:25.439 --> 01:39:30.439
big screen, diving into a story
of characters who are villains, others,

1312
01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:35.319
loving, drunk, prostitute, good
people, bad people, people, villain,

1313
01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:40.960
what society is and what the world
itself is and being able, even

1314
01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:45.760
with cinema, to travel through other
galaxies. It is a magic that I

1315
01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:50.560
hope will never be lost and that
we can all continue to enjoy, because

1316
01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:55.359
all human beings. From time to
time we need to get out of a

1317
01:39:55.920 --> 01:40:00.960
world that often paints tedious, where, in addition, there are people as

1318
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:04.439
evil, even as politicians. And
never forget that we live in a magical

1319
01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:06.960
world, because it is full of
mystery