Misterios del cine

0:07 Hey, everybody, how' s it going there? My name is Juan Jesús Vallejos, the journalist, writer and director of the Night of Mystery program on Caracol Radio. I send you a greeting from Galician soil, here, at the foot of the Camino de Santiago, imagine you crossing the galaxy following the wake of some mystical knights, the Jedi, who were able to handle the force that unites us all in the universe. Or it might look like science fiction. However, these types of films are based on real facts. If you look, for example, at the helmet of the famous Darth Vader, it is a copy of a samurai caboose and that concept of force appears in different Asian cultures. Chi for the Chinese or ky for the Japanese or other kinds of sagas, for example, like those of Indiana jones You think that the Nazis actually sought the Holy Grail or Ark of the Covenant, as it was and is historically proven. But if you want to know about this and much more, don' t miss the last mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio Mysteries of cinema. Crossing the galaxy as a rebel, searching for forces and energies that remain in an incomprehensible mythology, while one goes through the galaxy

1:38 as a rebellious frame, which I believe is also the key to the success of the film series that everyone will have already guessed. Even looking for love, why not face monsters, villains, all kinds of strange bugs, even take a couple of beers in a tavern that looks more like western than from another galaxy. I think everyone will have in mind the saga I' m talking about, Star Wars, the war of galaxies. I don' t know about you guys since I was a kid, I have to say I ' m addicted. It' s more than that addiction I have to Star Wars, I identify with Darth Vader pretty much. I think he had a dark time in my life and all of a sudden, I came to light again an eternal death and rebirth that we all have to face in life.

2:35 And I think George Lucas was a genius, because I don' t think you can compare the Star Wars saga to anything else in the movies. I don' t know how many billions of viewers have had all the sequels he ' s had afterwards, plus on television, on digital platforms. Now Mandalorian and by the time he saw it, by ze. Then we' ll really get into that. George Lucas touched something that reaches the soul of any human being on the planet. And to do that, even if it seems simple at first, I sincerely believe it' s up to you to be a genius and today' s show is going to see the mystery of cinema.

3:23 And not only are we going to talk about Star Wars, which I think is going to take a good part of the show, but other films that have made us dream about fiction, a fiction that can be very based on real facts, because the Indiana jones saga more than any other, even if it seems to you science, fiction is totally and absolutely based on real facts. The Nazis sought the Holy Grail, did it specifically in France, near the castle of Montsegur the archaeologist Bueno was professor of medieval literature in charge of searching the Holy Grail was called Otto Rung. The Nazis also sought out the ark of the Covenant, in a thing called the Jericho Trumpets operation and did it in the city of Venice and in the city of Tanis, in Egypt. A film, a saga of film that pushed me, as I am a little crazy, to study audiovisual production in order to make documentaries and make television reports around the world on this type of subject. And I did it. I have to say, I didn' t find anything. Indinajon if he found the Holy Abrial other things. I found nothing, but I went around the world through that apparent fantasy that is still a disturbing reality.

4:46 I' d like you to put on what saga of movies or which fictional or science fiction film has impacted you most. The good thing about cinema is that through fiction it brings to us things that were apparently impossible, but that happened in reality, such as the film The Exorcist, which is based on Robert Manhein' s exorcism. He was a boy, not really a girl, the person who had an exorfism in Washington that terrified the Catholic church itself. Other sagas of films based on literature, such as Harry Potter, or as he is, for example, the Lord of the Rings, who have made us dream that magic exists and that witchcraft is also real and this is what today' s program is all about, trying to understand not only the sources from which great screenwriters and television directors drink and define, but also to understand why some stories and others do not reach our soul. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want to follow me on social networks, on my twitter is Juan that Vallejo, Juan j de Vallejo, on Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is mystery journalism. We oppose the facts on the table

6:21 and you decide what is behind and what is not. Today in a tremendously playful program where we will dive into the curiosities and realities that hide us. Some of the most famous film sagas in film history. You know what I do as an author. Twenty- two September. On one October of this year, two thousand twenty- four I will be making an author' s trip to Egypt, walking right next to the pyramids of Giza to surprise us with works that seem from another world, so that you may also sail for the Nile, understanding in its temples, such as, for example, a finger or bidos, that there is an ancient magic that today is still alive and we start now without further delay. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how are you? Very well, Juan I have a greeting for you, also for our exceptional guests of this podcast, Esteban Cruz, Juan Castel Blanco, Carlos García Ruiz and, of course, all the people who consume this content through the podcast that we publish on the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio. On this occasion juange speaking of one of my favorite themes, the Seventh Art.

7:33 Curiosities of cinema, great mysteries around productions within the Seventh Art that have been mythical and as a curious fact you the introduction said that at some stage of your life you felt like Darth Vader, because Darth Vader without mask also suffered dialects and so he hit you in the Palo Ponte. Looks like you' re going to the power of all the historic film sagas. That' s how he defines a hundred desíicos which one you like the most and why Indiana jones cinesa wouldn' t be here with what it means to be that movie. I believe that for people who already have more than four decades, Juange was a very important film because it made us see magic through cinema and history, perhaps a magic not as mythical or medieval as had been represented in cinema in other kinds of productions, without a magic that came from great relics of the past, which was set in events of the first half of the 20th century and which, at least I felt very close to it. It had a lot of historical context, had some performances and a wonderful staging. For me, Indiana Jones, it' s one of my life' s favorite sagas Jorge, and if you like my job, I invite you to subscribe to my YouTube channel. Mandragora Mysteries Mandragora Mysteries on YouTube, also say that to me, Indiana jones that changed my life, i mean, I wanted to be Indiana Johns and go out there for the world to look, to look for Treasure. If this anecdote tells it. The other day I gave a talk to the University of the Forest here a professor of the Forest today

9:09 and commented on that not, I mean, commenting on how I wanted to go out and look for all those things and I had a meeting and these true ones with the Jerusalem Conservative, who authorized me for the first time in history to look for the Ark of the Alliance with Geords. Then I didn ' t get funding to make the documentary, but I was there, I was sitting and it was really fun. Anyway, I' ll keep looking for the ark, even if I don' t find a fuck next time I go to Israel and we' re going here. We' re going here for collaborators. The one that most appeared here on mystery night is Esteban Cruz, who has a YouTube channel called Los Audios de Cruz. Writer, writer. I don' t know how many books you also have that you can get through Amazon. Esteban Cruz, partner friend, how are you?

9:56 All right, Juan, very happy to be here with you tonight. You talk about a subject as interesting as cinema, and you have said something that is that it is real and that the Hine inspired us all. Not seeing these images represented, seeing those stories represented, makes us feel that we too can achieve it. It does not prompt us to go further, Not yes the truth, but the seventh art in pure magic and impels us to go further. And the one who also knows a lot about the themes of seventh art. He is my good friend, Carlos Garcia, who is a professor of dramatic art at the University of the Forest. In case anyone identifies him the terrible Spanish that appeared in the series La villamizar. Carlos, there' s a good night, how are you, well, good night, how are you, how are all the listeners here? And I make a point of the alizar area I was the bad guy, well I of the bad guys, it' s very good. He was the good guy. There were a lot of bad guys and I was doing inside the bad guys that we were the Spaniards, because I was Cape Tobon, that was the good guy, the one that had the most heart, it' s rich, I was doing plate, super good talking and I would say no that you said that talking about cinema I as a screenwriter, actor, people that move in that half made things of cinema, television, a lot of theater, too. The mystery itself is that it exists in cinema, or from there,

11:26 anything can happen when you go to a great production, you find so many people doing so many different things and that all of that comes to a happy end by saying so. That' s the biggest mystery of all. It' s more mystery all of us, and then we can enjoy it clearly. That' s the director and the producer, which is when they record a movie and then in post- production. Well, preproduction is hysterical. For several months, I have lived with documentaries, but I think it is not the same level, because they are very small, very small team, eight ten fifteen people between production and post- production, while cinema are hundreds of people. It' s really crazy. Just watch the movie credits.

12:11 Yes, of course, you have to see the credits that I tell many students. Actors and actresses are the last ones on the menu. That is to say, first there are many things, producers, screenwriters, directors, make- up artists, stage designers. Yeah, the actor' s the last one. It' s the dessert of the evening and the one that' s about to have once here on mystery night. It is Juan fe Castel Blanco, who is instagrammer, who has an Instagram channel that is called and polículas with almost sixty thousand subscribers. Now and I' m going to ask you the question that I ask to all the guests who appear for the first time on mystery night, Who is John Faith Castel Blanco? For the entire mystery night and radio snail audience. Of course I do, Juan, and thank you very much. First of all for having me has been invited and good night to all, my colleagues today introduced me quickly. I am Juan Felipe Castel Blanco, I am a civil engineer from the University of the Andes and two years ago I came to live in Canada, Toronto, more specifically, here to do my postgraduate and here being in Canada, I came to go with my friends, best friends of the school, and he also had an Instagram project of personal finances and it started to go very well, very well. And he started telling me how good, what he expects to join this world. See that we' re growing up, that I don' t know what anymore, and he saw me a lot all the time, in my time, free watching movies, watching series, because that ' s what I love doing in my time, free watching movies of all

13:43 series, and that' s what I' ve always liked since very little. Then he' d tell me I thought a channel would help him, or I' d just motivate him. Well, that' s where we ' re growing. And so well until one day I decided and in September last year we opened the channel Monte, my first video And well now a little more than six months later, already almost sixty thousand followers that did not expect it. But well, he' s going to open a YouTube channel soon to continue the project as well. Not super and I' m happy a lot that besides tra hired, even to make some Disney videos of all the movie sagas that I gave you that we' re commenting on Indiana John Star Wars, or if you have another, what' s your favorite movie saga Within the history of film, science fiction ok, well, my favorite is Star Wars why, because I started watching it from a very small point of view. My mom' s a big fan too, and she started making me watch movies since I was little. I gave them to myself in order of the order there is now from the prequels to the following. Then maybe well, right now, we' ll discuss it. That' s why they' re a lot of favorites. But I also have to mention that, Right now, the Jung movies that are coming out in recent years also seemed to me to be very good movies, which because very early still to say, but they can become very good movies from a future. It doesn' t look so good. Me. The first one I loved, the second one bore me. A little bit, I have to say anyway, but how good we have different and diverse opinions, that we are in

15:16 a society where people now have different or different opinions, it seems that we have to kill ourselves, when it should be quite the opposite. I think it' s a very constructive thing. Well let' s start with Star Wars, which is the saga of the saga. I don' t know how many billions of people have ever seen anything from Star Wars. I do not know how many billions of dollars have given in merchandising, that I think that also has the total and absolute record, and it has to be said from the point of view, I already want your opinion and that this is a chat. George Lucas, to me was an eye genius, because he is also the Indiana jones argumentist and screenwriter not only of Star Wars. So the point is that this gentleman read a book called The Hero of the Thousand Faces, of an anthropologist named Joseph Campbell, and it' s a book that basically goes, it' s a treatise of mythology, that all the mythologys of all the cultures of the world in the background, follow a series of archetypes. And it' s what he turns into his film, the figure of Darth Vader, who is his type, who falls into darkness and shadows, but into his phyto heart. There' s light in the end.

16:25 Then he gets out of there and has a thousand winks to other things as well. For example, the Jedi, this guy has fallen in love with the Japanese culture that put the warriors who had that power of strength and such that I believe that, from my point of view, I want your opinion, they are a copy of what Samurai want you, if even Darth Vader' s helmet is a cabo and even the word Jedi comes from jida and Jeki, which is when Japanese films are made that are of the time the sword that use the potatoes gives laser would be like a katana and then what it does have is also a series of winks to retro things like, for example, are the French comics of Moebius. I don' t know if any of those who are hearing have seen any. No, but if they put Moebius or Yan Giro, it was his real name. In Google there are going to be images that are practically like the ones you see later on in Star Wars, in more than one has a comic where the protagonists go a thing that really looks like the millennial falcon. I think these were the great inspirations, also the best aesthetics of the film Metropolis of the early twentieth century, which is a silent German film in aesthetics, for example, as we see the robot e trespo. Now you' re going to laugh because in Spanish we say three things and in Latin America you say it in

17:59 a radically different way. And then I think this guy mixed up all this samurai stuff and so the samurai would be the Jedi and besides, the concept of force is just like the concept of Japanese ki. There are disciplines like King ki heal you through the energy that surrounds us all and connects us to the universe that I think is also so evident in the film And I think the guy made that mix between medieval Japan and then, for me, his great success is to bring a film from cape to magic and sword to a future that is credible. And this is box office, but unbeatable. I mean, I have to say I' ve swallowed them all. I don ' t like the first three, especially where Jarbing jart comes out I the rabbit and I would have killed him, I mean, there' s a horrible thing going on with me, but I swallowed them all and I think it also has certain touches, like, for example, now that they' re coming out on digital mandalorian platforms that I love that they' ve taken him to the wester. They' ve gone past medieval Japan and turned it into a wester and all that for me is super winner. But as I speak like a parrot, something I want you to talk about. There' s the wire Anyone can talk. Well I from what you said rescue, especially a subject that I manage quite well when we talk about semiology and dramaturgy, the sources of the dramaturgy of the script, the theme of Joseph Campbell,

19:33 which, besides, if anyone wants to search YouTube, there is a series of documentaries of interviews with Joseph Campbell that do. Those interviews are done in the Ranch Sky Walker, where there are all the mysteries and so and all Uncle George Lucas and this man were quite friends and he was based on his book. Indeed, as you said, the hero of the very expensive ones to pose the raw ones of Star Wars, a no hope, which in principle was the first part and then became the fourth. No. I always thought he said he wrote that movie. I didn' t think you ' d go beyond a movie, but he found such a bombshell that he had to write back and forth. And this Joseph Campbell, I' ve read, the hero of the thousand faces, and it' s a book, as you said, that you pose all the mythologies of the world, of any continent. It has common features for the creation and approach of heroic characters. But the interesting thing is that this hero not only has physical features, he is a hero of a cloak and sword fighting, etcetera, but what Joseph Cambell really defends is the spirituality of this type of characters. I think that' s one of the keys to these movies working, because not only does Darth Vader succeed in destroying the star of death, but his ultimate reward is wisdom, it' s becoming a complete Jedi. And that'

21:07 s the hero' s real good reward. And within that wisdom, it ' s something that I think it' s hard for all of us to know ourselves. That' s the hero' s big reward, and that ' s what makes these movies a winner. I think more than that is why it reaches the heart, because I have touched that we all seek eternally is to know who we are and above all, that is who our father is, which is another subject that goes below hears, but you have told it from the cool point of view. I haven' t read Campbell' s book, but, indeed, the key here is that, while he ' s forming like jedi and he' s attacking the bad guys and all this and so on, he' s getting to know himself and he' s getting to know what his place is in the universe, in the world, apart from knowing even father and everything, so I' m going here for what in my life and what I' m doing within this universal theater where we' re all characters and I think they' ve narrated it this great way. Esteban Cruz, Friends, we have three minutes before we go to the pause. But you, as an anthropologist, how to see the story is told Carlos, how it is based on this work of anthropology, which is the hero of the Hambilcara, yes that is Star Wars, It is not only that great epic that shows us and is that what Campbell does,

22:37 which also picks up Lucas Es and that also all the time ago Speelberg, is to use an archetype of these that had already spoken sine that is called Cargus sap Jung, that it is one of mysteries, that said that he had some spirits that spoke to him of a house in Switzerland as a kind of genius, that writes a book that is called the Red Book, that no one understands until today, nobody can say it. Well Joong said there were archetypes and one of those is the hero, and the hero is something that we all have on top of us and under our skin and is mentioned from Greek myths like Hercules' s to Mesopotamian myths, with ancient poems and epics. And it' s that Star Wars is a modern poem in cinema, it' s an epic in cinema. And what the hero always has, which is very interesting, is that the hero does not fight to be a millionaire, to be loved by everyone. The hero does not triumph to transform his life in some way, but to transform it from others.

23:37 And the hero' s journey that is how he stands today, this kind of characters, as they are told, this kind of characters is Luke Skywalker, for example, since he' s a boy carried around on a deserted moon and they kill the guys and it' s completely wrong and he becomes a jedi. And the end is not to return to being milled to have a house with fifty thousand women, reproduce getting drunk. The end is to be a simple guy again, as happens to Fro the Lord of the Rings, as happens to Batman himself when they try to finish, is that he is left alone and again in love and does not want anyone to chase him or follow him. And two more notes say, for example, that because Luke also used the image of the Templars, like these knight warriors who were fighting, because they were, they were celibates, they were priests, they were going to war today, they would be priests with mini usis and machine guns and rockets. If they were the Templars today, I' d be driving an Ephe Sixteen. But these Templars, at the time, were exterminated, exterminated by the Catholic Church itself and by the King of France. So many say that the jedis exterminated by the SITS and so on are a metaphor for what happened to the Templars. No yes, what you said sounds great to me, because besides, the Templars had a lot of secrets and mystery that come to this day. It is because the Church bore them well,

25:14 they were charged to their temples all and such, but we do not know where to be archived from the Templars. We don' t know about being famous. Third of the Templars. Everything was embarked on a port in France called La Rochelle, which left fourteen ships and ended up in Scotland after passing through Portugal. But it' s a great mystery and they want to drop a pearl You know for me too what one of the keys to Star Wars ' success is. In all the movies, the antagonist you fall for the bad guy and instead Darth Vader falls great, he falls super well, which is a very crazy thing. I mean, let' s see. I believe that in Star Wars, the fourth one we saw when we were kids, that in which it premieres in nineteen hundred and seventy- seven, the scene where Darth Vader is, there with all the generals and such and loose one because nothing. And in the universe with the power of the star of death, capable of destroying planets, and so and so says Darth Vader.

26:06 No, because that' s not nashi you compare it to the power of force and so and the other one says superstitious things and then stares at it. He does that with his little finger, he moves it a little bit and the guy starts out there like he' s gonna die and we' re all thinking, when we were sitting around, I' d take him for an asshole. But how he messes with Darth Vaders. You have to be melong or. As you say, force does not exist, and this seems wonderful to me that there is this t- shirt in that sentence. Your lack of faith is bothering me. And here we were diving into the curiosities of cinema on what these works are really inspired, which are science fiction, but which have very real bases and a thousand curions. I closed the previous block by saying that, from my point of view, one of the things Star Wars has is precisely that not the one that created an antagonist, a bad one that ends up becoming total and absolute protagonist and that, moreover, falls very sympathetic. So because I think we' ve all been a little Darth Vader in life, we' ve had some dark times. That ' s where we came out. Well, then. For me this is a very, very curious detail of the triumph of the saga, in my opinion, for being wrong, of course, Alejandro Barnar, although something that has always seemed fascinating to me about Star Wars is the amount of reference about

27:37 the history, about the classic cinema, for example, George Lucas, to create the characters of Citripio, as we say here in Latin America, or Arturito, as we also say in Latin America, that it is not pronounced like this, but so we say here to George Lucas were the film, in this case, of Lawrence of Arabia, of David Lind of nine hundred sixty starring Peter O toul He said that the staging of this film had wanted to portray it with these characters, with part of the rhythm that had also permeated him to the characterization of these two characters, these two robots and Tripio and Arturito, and the battles that occur with the spaceships in episode four to New Hope, which would come first, which was released in the seventy- seventh century, but that within the saga would be the fourth episode LU, that the battle of George Lucas. George Lucas said that, when he was devising the staging that finally came out in the film, he saw a lot of movies, tapes and recordings of World War II, and he wanted to imbue this veric sensation in these Star Warson scenes, and he did great, because the scenes of ship chases and that seem to me to be a real wonder. Juan Felipe Castel Blanco, why do you think Star Wars is the biggest series in history? Well, from my perspective that I started watching it

29:11 as a child, I feel like it' s a saga that people can relate to very easily, whether it' s from seeing the first movies in the' 70s in cinema or, for example, in my case, that my favorite movies, with everyone' s forgiveness here are the first three, not the chronological ones, being episode one, two and three because they' re the first ones I saw as a child. So I think I can relate more to Anakin, to how he grows up and becomes a Jedi. And, well, already the dark part, I kind of don' t, but already on that side, I feel like that' s why Star Wars is nothing here in such a successful movie at all times, because from the elderly to the children who are up to now starting to watch it mandaloryly, not with whatever it is. I think you can relate a very, very good way. Also what you mentioned is that Darth vader are a character, which is a villain who but who kind of likes it, like people like that is I also very much relate to that, for example, to my brother. I don' t know if you remember episode three, when Ana who reveals herself and starts fighting Obi Wane, my brother was I want to be like Anakin, I' m Ana who. I' m Anakin and I was like no, I' m more like the same side, okay, but well, it was like that kind of rivalry too. But that' s why I also love the saga and I think it' s also one of the most fascinating in science, fiction right now, I think

30:44 you' ll notice that I' m curious about the generational jump we' re a little more granny. If, on the other hand, Juan Fe, who is not even thirty years old, how you see three first movie as a wonder and I see it as a puking thing, that is about all the Jark Jarbing thing, that is to say I get involved and if I would already like to close the Star Wars issue, because it will not give you time or half of what we had to preach your opinion about Bueno. First, they' re going to make three new ones, three new ones, and besides, this has already created a whole series of saga, science series, fiction. I, Mandalorian, love Obi Wong. Well, that' s where I swallowed it because Darth Vader comes out and then he goes out to Darth Vader and he' s already a winner. Andor loved it. And very bad, very bad Ashoka' s, the last one they' ve pulled out. It' s bad, but it' s bad from my point of view. I like nothing. I mean, it ' s kind of a thing I didn' t like. I mean, this is the first time I' ve seen anything from Star Wars that I ' ve said this honestly. I didn' t like it. What do you guys think about commenting on what you want to raise your hand and talk about is worth what you think? Well let' s see this already is such a heavy saga that it has to take out products and it is a money- making machine. In some, forgiveness is wrong, in others, in some, forgiveness is correct. That' s wrong. They are wrong, because I also think that writers and directors are human this ban cro I think would comment yes, I wanted to tell you something, something that works very well and that the Americans do very well is copy themselves. No.

32:13 If something succeeds, you have to go around, perhaps in Latin America or in Ibero- America in general. When something goes very well, you say we don' t have to change to be better. They don' t repeat the same. Scheme. So you see all the movies and it' s also destroying another star of death, destroying another base, destroying another planet. It' s exactly the same model. It' s the same thing seen a two, three, four, or five, six, seven, eight times, and the three times they get there they' re going to do the same system again and they' re going to have a funny little robot again and there' s going to be a protagonist who fights everything because it' s the same thing, but here they' re going to put something different, other names and something that has more to do with the society in which it' s unfolding. Not that good review. I' ve never seen it like this, but indeed, they repeat the story eighty zero times Carlos García. I think it also has to do a little bit with what you said about defining, designing a good villain. And I think the series that you said, that the products that work well have a good antagonist and then it makes you more entertaining and more fun when the antagonist is not good, that also a theory about the antagonist and the tremendous protagonist, because it is not attractive at all. A good antagonist puts the most complicated things to the hero or the protagonist, and also attracts us to have more interest

33:45 to see how he succeeds in overthrowing that villain, that antagonist. I don ' t think the definition, character design of the character of the bad guy is fundamental to all these films and I as you say to you, of pearls, the word hero that I love comes from Greek, comes from eros and the god heroes was the god of love, with which the hero has to execute his actions in a light- hearted way and with a large dose of love. In that no and this, this little detail has to be in these films, that hero' s protagonist has to be, he has to do it with something more than the will. I think that also lies in success, failure as the definition of a good bad. Indeed, and what is curious is that the last saga of three is the bad one.

34:39 I don' t remember what the bad guy' s called now. Some remember the name of the bad guy, the one who has the sword this citation and has a helmet that lime Kilo Renka and replaces them the bad guy exactly the same. He is a bad man who falls the darkness of strength and such, but in the end he ends up being good, that is, Esteban Cruz nailed it, that is, they have repeated again absolutely all and we have not swallowed it and we are looking forward to the three new ones. Alejandro Vernal Juan He It should be noted that now the Star Wars saga belongs to Disney. Disney is a money- making machine, so it ' s normal for them to overexploit it and create various products, various spinoffs for all kinds of audiences, from adult audiences to children' s audiences.

35:20 There are even animated series now from Star Wars to reach that younger audience. So I think it' s normal for them to do that with the saga. Yes, indeed, I have to admit that I pay the platform just to watch the Star Wars series. I see nothing else on that platform, which is a little heavy the theme Juan Felipe spent Blanco. Yeah, and right now, a new Star Wars series is coming out in June It' s called The Accolight. In fact, yes and it will tell as the history of origin and how it was created on that dark side. That' s what he' s gonna tell. We don' t know much more about the series, but if a new Star Wars series is going to come out in June so they' re looking forward to it, let' s see how good they are. I mean, that series is going to be the genesis of the dark side of the City and all of this. Yeah, you can say it was going to be a hundred years before episode one.

36:08 A hundred years earlier. It is supposed to be set in the Upper Republic, in the parties, when the school of the Jedi was full. It' s working at full speed and they do start showing up. There are signs that the sives come back, because they had been extinct several centuries before, but that' s how they reappear. You' re right. John knows very little of that good series and of all the series what they have done and such Mandalorian Andor, that of obi Wan. I forgot Shoka which one you liked the same, because I think Dale Dale would say Andor, with some doubt the best for you. Yeah,' cause I think it was focused on an audience, a little bit more adult. Maybe it ' ll be another one and the worst one in obi Won. Unfortunately, thank you very much, because he is a character that I like very much and I did not attract anything. And I think that in addition, I think, as a middle- class professional, I think it' s mistook, that it has a lot of mistakes in filming and approach. From the sequence is that the problem that I see Obi Wong' s series is that a guy who' s a jedi and shit and suddenly has care problems, like he says male, he' s not going to go to the psychologist now to do the series and give joints to right- handed and sinister.

37:31 It' s what I think, they were cross exactly the same, that is, I think the one who promised the most and the one who would have the most strength was the Obi Wan. You' d have a lot of actors, someone like Ioan McGregor. You had the whole Disney budget and it didn' t work. Then. What I think is that this shows in part that you also need to have a quality that doesn' t go until you have a good actor character and have a lot of budget and you can end up doing something that was hard for me to see. In the end, or one while you see things like Mandaloria, the one who sent that for me is the best is Mandalorian because besides it is a character that is ultras secondary, that simply had his charisma because it sold the merchandising of the doll very much from the house rewards that had only left scarcely ten twenty minutes less and you take all the films of Star Wars and put together a series that takes to the obi one then there I believe, moreover, a character that does not see his face, that should not be seen his face.

38:36 Then I find it surprising. They' ve created us the whole universe of the Mandalorians with this road thing. That' s right and I don ' t know what and they gave a maquia to me too Mandalorian at the best there are people left to baby Yoda and such, but to a thousand baby Yoda I had to pot a little bigger to grow a bit worth. That' s true. But, yes, for me Mandalorian. But that Mandarin, to me it' s also a wester eh, but I mean, but a total and absolute wester. I mean, instead of carrying a Samurais film and magic cape for the future, it' s taken a western to the future. From my point of view, and I find it great how Juan Fe of all these series have done it and so for you the best and the worst. And because for me the best is Mandalorian, too.

39:17 I must admit I didn' t know much about the character the truth before the Mandalorian series came out. I think it' s good Boba Fett and he' s the ones that sounded the most in Star Wars, but I really had no idea the character and I was pleasantly surprised. It is my favorite of the series that have come out and also, as Carlos said Oi Wan, I am very disappointed also because it is of my favorite characters of the saga and maybe it is like who expects a lot of that series and that it will not meet those expectations. You say how bad or not, but with Mandalorian, like I didn' t expect anything and I was very surprised. Then it was like amazing wow. So, that' s the whole universe to Star Wars. Alejandro Mandar, your favorite and the one you don' t like. Okay. I' m going to say something that I get classified for. I' m not a fan of Star Wars but I saw Mandalorian and as a person who appreciates audiovisual works, I liked it very much and I think it has a lot of merit that not being a fan of a saga and I saw Loria boss and I said listen this is very well made to be reinteresting. I liked it a lot, the one I liked the least. I abstain because I' m not a fan, but from Gamemer' s point of view, because I' m a video player, it' s siduous. I loved the Vibor Juan jadisor that video game so great, that video game so well released a few years ago for new generation consoles. It seems to me that it is one of the best representations of the Star Wars universe are video games and not a fan of

40:47 the saga, but a fan of video games. I think he' s got some great video game. Recommendation here to the house hear, but what wedge is so good in it? We forget the money that moves this with video games. Exactly. Juan is that it' s more. George Lucas, he' s been more interested in video games for a few years. He' s got to make movies. Today the entertainment industry that makes the most overall gain in the world is video games, so the exact one. So Jadisor Vibor, for me one of the best representations of the Star Wars universe. In digital leisure you can buy a game that costs you. Let ' s put your first exit two hundred and four hundred thousand pesos yes and one entry at the end is fifteen zero exactly yes. Of course it is a big investment and the number of people buying the video game millions, including me eye also yan yan hooked with the moden Worfer three, but very good of Sawa we have also crossed online around. But we don' t know what peace you made me an acquired doctor. This is because there are video games like during fauto before going back, going back to the sino and another movie that already sold more than hundreds fifty million copies, a video game that costs sixty euros. So he' s the one who tells him who' s good at math is gonna get us out. Next. The big trefauto is already ringing a lot, next it' s going to have some pretty

42:21 interesting things. And about this Mandalorian thing, I don' t call it Mandaloria, which is very good, but there are things I didn' t want to convince. Watch out for the guy who plays Mandaloriano. In the originals you say you take out, ten minutes, no, no, three minutes, three minutes, three minutes. In the originals comes out three minutes and the actor now I don' t remember the name. He' s really been asking for those three minutes going to all the Star Wars conventions to assert T- shirts, photos and so he lives from that live di convention in Star Wars says I' m me, I want original mandalorian and he lives pretty well. By the way, most of the other things he does actorically. How crazy it is that one plays a part in that if you already live with that other one. Uncle' s life is crazy. Dude, it' s one thing, yeah, yeah, it' s a crazy thing. Well, let' s move on to the next big movie saga and, of course, it had to be Indiana Jones and again that this is very strong, the same character George Lucas. And besides, George Lucas was this with a chat taking some wikis there or some mojitos. I don' t know what you' d be taking in Hawaii. To be exact with Steven Spielberg who decide to do the Indiana Jones story, it means Steven Spielberg is a fricazo of mystery, like us, quite important. I mean, he loves mystery stuff, he loves Omni' s stuff. That ' s why he made meetings of the third kind that in Spain was called

43:52 encounters in the third phase, and it was easy for both Spilbert and George Lucas to know about the stories of the Nazis, who had a whole body of intellectuals who called themselves the ant nerve, dedicated to looking for objects of power, that this is not science fiction, that this is a reality. Two expeditions were made with another rang at the head that financed the Heinries Himler himself, controlled by the creator of the SS, looking for the Holy Grail in the south of France. They were also, as I said, the Jericho Trumpets operation, searching for the Ark of the Alliance, both in the city of Tanis, in Egypt, as it appears in the film, and in Venice, as it appears in the film. And the second, which in Spain was called Indiana Jans and the Cursed Temple, what was called here, in Latin America the Temple of Jarge Doom and the Temple of Doom.

44:51 Well, this is based on a Hindu sect that is the Touks who put in the film the stoggis, the tuuks or stranglers who adored it gave that cali, strangled people and so on. And the white stone that appears in the film is that really in Hindu mythology it is believed that the earth is a living entity and then each of its chakras is a precious stone that has special powers. And then the last two. The skull one. What' s the name of the skull of destiny. I would swear yes, yes, the skull of fate, which there was a zancoche, a bit strange. That' s where I got the town of Cacor. A map of Nazca appears, what we' ve been to Nazca, which is ridiculous.

45:34 Yeah, did the Russian character, the Russian character, get in pretty good for me? This and such with superpowers, because there was a psychic war in the sixties and seventies between the faith and the KGB. But that' s the only one I like the fourth least because they made a pretty weird run. And the last one I liked the target dial with the anti- quiter machine that exists the machine, because I also found it very curious. I think it' s the saga that my mom has hit, because I took it so seriously that I went to get the Holy Grail was every alliance, but for me, Indiana jones reminds us of something that' s milk.

46:16 Star Wars brings us a whole world of fiction. Star Wars Indiana jones instead, it' s reality outpaces fiction and this seems wonderful to me. Alejandro Bernal is biting wants to tell something ang la sagan day in my life. Please, if in that saga you would be here about what you were talking about, bear in mind that George Lucas and Stelberg, when creating the Indiana Jones character, were inspired by series B films, even up to the S series of the 1930s or forties, where there were explorers who were going to look for great treasures. But of course, not only did the directors not have enough technical resources at the time, but there were also enough guionny gaps to make good works. But they wanted to move some of the spirit of those mythical and adventurous adventures into what was Indiana Jones. Now just what you' re saying about the last movie of the Destiny Road, which I also loved the truth, not as much as the original ones, but it seemed to me like a very dignified film, very well made, especially to keep in mind that the great antagonist, and eye don' t want to spoil them, but the great antagonist of the last film, Indiana Jones is Berner. It was Brown, the Nazi who through Operation Paper Clip, ended up working for NASA and designing the program' s rockets. Apollo. Yes, gentlemen, he' s the bad guy from Indiana Jones' last.

47:39 But it' s not just that, man, it' s that thanks to Ernest bon Brown we got to the moon. I mean, you were saying it exactly Apollo, so it' s crazy, so that' s a character who' s under a pretty important historical revisionism, because scientists are always at Bon Brown, Bon Brown, but Bon Brown was a member of the CSS. Be careful that it wasn' t just any naffit a genius making rockets. But for me it is the basis and we have come from a saga where there is an idea of self- improvement, of finding himself the Jedi and such and this not. This is a guy, who' s an intellectual, who' s a little drunk and a womanizer who goes around in every port has a love. We all want to be Indiana.

48:21 John without so much, let' s say transcendental and ready theme and I think that also by h for seen, by zcuejo in the audience to the beast. It' s two and a half minutes before the briefing is cut. But who wants to speak Carlos Esteban, John faith Yes, John And there is one thing very minded in Jones' India, which is the search for relics, for relics of power, which I think is mass here. I mean, unlike Star Wars, it' s an epic. This is somehow a character who goes in search of magical elements that have always sought out all Nazis, the Soviet Union, the same North Americans, the great religions, the crusades. It is that the crusades were made to recover the nails of Christ, in part, not part of the motivations. Let' s go for the longines spear and all these elements appear in all the movies.

49:14 Thus a small one has been mentioned in the last mention of the spear of longines. In the previous one they also mentioned the ends of Christ. Well, there are a lot of things that make this series of films that have already ended, transformed into a movie, into something exciting, because the search for the impossible, the search for the objects that can transform reality, the search for the magic that comes from the past. That' s what I think is Indiana jones Yeah, it' s tremendous And now here the character basically looks for treasure. They say that this has never been said by George Luca nor is it Ilber Not that they say that they were based on the character of Silvanos Morley, that he was the archaeologist who is caba chichen Itza and that, besides being archaeologist at the beginning of the 20th century, he was a spy, was a spy and also worked for the secret services in Americans. Other people say that it was issued in Iran Bingham has seen me seems absurd Irambigan was the lord who discovered Machu Pichu. But apart from discovering Machu Pichu, he didn' t do one more shit in his life and ransack him because he ransacked Machu Pichu. Others also think that they perceive Fautes of the colonel who was lost in a thousand nine hundred and twenty- five looking for the mythical city of Zeta, the snoring massif in Brazil. But it' s not clear to me. But to everyone in life I think we would ever like to be hunted for treasure, a little womanizing and a little drunk, as well as intellectuals. And we were talking about Indiana jones

50:52 and how it inspired even some crazy people to get into mystery journalism. But Carlos Garcia tells me that you and I worse, what happened to Indiana joans friend. Well, yeah, I was telling you now that I went to see her at the movies. My uncle accompanied me, he took me, he didn' t accompany me, my uncle, Angel, took me. We are going to see a very good film by an archaeologist, which is that it was very small, but well there was an archaeologist and I went there, of course in love so much that the years passed and then I was about to go to the University of Salamanca to study history, because I wanted to be an archaeologist, that I am already history, to be an archaeologist to go like Indiana jones There, looking for relics and being I of note that we are talking about relics, being I of a totally medieval town, in Leon, where the way of Santiago passes, the subject of relics since the Middle Ages, that you spoke before the nails of Christ. If all the nails of Christ that have been found are joined together, you could crucify five hundred people, just like all the bones of Saint all the bones of I don' t know of Saint Teresa, for example, which are sweet imagine they gave for fifteen or fourteen skeletons. Yes, there was a trade in important relics, such as raising the movies line Dinera York. In fact, these relics were fundamental because they made people go to the cathedrals move commerce in addition to faith. Then there couldn' t be a cathedral without

52:22 relics. What if it is true that on the way to Santiago is a very exaggerated thing, if any B- series church has fourteen relics, the finger of Santa Pepita and one thing yes, yes? It is a crazy thing, a copy, for example, also of the Bed linen of Landon, of the Shroud of Tourism, Holy Salary, Turin. What you said you and some B- series saints would say serial z, because St A Papucius, the great one who left his right little finger frozen here and is who St A Papucius was, I don' t know, but he is revered yes, yes. I invite people to investigate this, all this beyond the faith and history of the Camino Santiago, this version, this version of the other part of the Camino Santiago, which is very interesting and very funny.

53:22 Besides, it' s a lot of fun. Yes yes to me, I love to see all those relics because they also put them in the many times they are in showcases and that a showcase of a normal church has eighty riquia, that is pieces of the Saint, the piece of the tunic of Fulanitos. It' s one thing you can' t believe. Juan Fecastillo Blanco your opinion of Indiana, John Artist, already caught you too, too young, but the last feelings were shocked. Or how you met the saga. Well, I have different opinions here than you. Unfortunately, I ' m the first one I was at the Crystal Skull. I think it ' s called the yes and I didn' t like the truth at all And from there, like I said anything, this, this isn' t for me, it' s not for me, and the Indiana jones saga to my lard didn' t catch me. I feel like not all of me didn' t see the previous ones. I didn' t understand, because who wasn' t, I mean, I think I messed up there like I didn' t see them before I saw this one, but yes, the truth. I do, with Indiana, Indiana jones, and I ' m not very close. Right, that' s the good thing.

54:32 You went in badly crawling and that' s what I' m told the worst kid ever cried out to you like the worst one ever. Yeah, I just saw you the first time, because I think young people have kind of a reluctance to watch old movies because of the subject of special effects. And so yes, yes, yes, you know that if it happens to me like I already see a movie of those old wells, unless it' s, well, one like a classical cult, like I don' t know the Padrin, things like that, but in a jones it needs a little bit more like then in my eyes I started to see cinema as it ' s called special effects and you call more things. I see those movies, and I' m kind of not like he lacks a little bit of love, the different generational versions, which I find wonderful. That' s the, that' s the reality. Well, let' s get on with it, keep on going with the next intina saga. John made us dream and be a bit of a bad archaeologist Borrachet wandering the world with x lover who is great. And now we' re almost going to have to get into the mystery of literature. With this because what we' re going to talk about is the Lord of the Rings and the Lord of the Rings.

55:50 We are in a literary work by a man named Jr. R. Tolking, who was a professor of English language and literature at Oxford University, was a literary genius. I don' t think anyone in Oxford will be given a professorship of English language and literature. And I think it' s a saga. I mean, it' s a saga of brutal magic and sword that puts us into a total and absolutely imaginary world, where the bad guys are terrible and the good guys are very good, where, from my point of view, I would like your opinion. What Tolkin does is go through a lot of what Celtic mythology is. And it is curious because he is also based, for example, good poetic sagas one of the 13th century, the silk of Snori Stulson, which is an Icelandic saga. I think he puts elements in a certain autobiographical medium. He is left orphaned at twelve years of age and that is why the hobby is orphaned and so and then, from my point of view, the clearest source of inspiration from my point of view, I would like to know your opinion of the Lord of the Rings is the singing of the levelungos, an epic poem of the thirteenth century German, where, of course Sigfredo is looking for a treasure that is underground, guarded by dwarf, where there is a cursed ring that I think it is as if clearer, impossible. But what does seem fascinating to the Lord

57:21 of the Rings is that, unlike the sagas we have talked about, which are purely and harshly cinematic, where they are created by screenwriters and created by characters like George Lucas, director and screenwriter, this does not, this comes out of the magic of the brain of a man who is a professor of Oxford and hears this has been able to break the barriers of time that I do not know how many hundreds of millions of books have been sold the Lord of the Rings. Now I' m looking for the data and, on top of that, the movies have been razed in the box office and I think they' re also thinking of making some more film. I don' t know if the cell or the lion or some pod if more. I have no idea. Well the series you just released on the platform now is also cast in the Lord of the Rings. Then he created a magical universe, that is, for me it was really ahead of Star Wars, that is, he created the magical paper universe that in the celluloid razed carlos.

58:22 How you see him as a playwright, Well Tolkien, you' re right about that. Not only does it emerge from the cinematic world, but there is a rather strong and well- founded literary base. I mean, not only is he a gentleman who comes up with a series of things and links them there, in addition to the influences that you say You and I would add the arturic cycles of Arthurs' quest for the grail fell round grandeur and all this is also interesting to comment that Tolkien was in World War I as a soldier and then many of the experiences that he also reflects as you said autobiographical, in the cruelty of war and the great battles that he reflected in part lived in his flesh, in the trenches in World War I. And that I have chosen the Lord of the Rings. A long time ago.

59:25 However, it is quite well reflected, for example, and the industrial revolution. When forumdo retakes the hero' s theme, he returns with the elisir of wisdom and decides not to be what everyone expects it to be. It returns to a region that is totally changed and that is modified by it has become an industrial place where there are large factories. Then he goes back somewhere that' s not the same place that he left, which gives him a mental crack. Then, possibly everything guides, when it was the war and he came back, he found a different England as he left it. All that is reflected. There' s one Maybe Esteban knows a lot about this, too. It is said that the overwhelming themes he writes to you are limited in love, death and power. But there' s a fourth very interesting topic that raises all the authors, which is, when you write something, you' re indirectly asking who I am. I try to answer that question through what you write. And in Tolkin' s case, it' s very, very, very clear. You haven' t done a great dissertation, because besides, in fact, the artistic myths of those knights who are going to look for the Holy Grail here, what they are going to look for is a ring to destroy it, so that the world can function.

1:00:53 And then the guy. For me he is a genius because as a linguist, because I believe even the elf that you were in the helix, but the guy creates an elf language and gives them a whole series of elements and so that makes the theme of the elves super magical, for example. I was looking at the data, because they sold themselves from the Lord of the Rings. They have sold one hundred and fifty million books and covide one hundred and forty books to give us an idea, almost three hundred million copies. That without counting the sill maririon or another is one of the twenty books. Well, those two are among the 20 best- selling books in history. So it' s a real barbarity, because I remember when I read it to myself so many years ago. Really Tolking' s descriptions make you get into that world more and notice that in addition to those is that the guy was grgian. It was very prolific, it was an author who wrote a lot. There are others I don' t know what they call another twelve or fifteen books of Middle Earth stories. That' s what they' re calling the new, the new series about, taking situations here and about the new films you' ve commented on or want to investigate, because it ' s a very, very, very, very rich, very rich universe with many things to explore yet. Besides, the guy did nothing but write in his life, because they are especially extensive books. No, the guy was a genius Esteban Cruz. Why you owe it so much. Success has

1:02:25 been so great that I have. The first contact I had with the Lord of the Rings was a movie, I think it was porn called the Lord of the Guarrillos. And then, I saw where it came from and discovered that there was the Lord of the Rings and that there were some very old versions in animation. And I remember a lot that in the eighties it was said that the Lord of the Rings was never going to be able to film because there was so much fantasy, that there was no chance that it would be done because of the special effects they saw at that time. And there were and it was done. And good and yet. Peter Jackson had to cut the films because they were four or five hours old and he had to cut them out for three hours, which is something that is quite interesting.

1:03:15 Again, speaking of archetypes, what we' re going to see here are John' s classic archetypes. I think John kissed and for him it would be dessert. He would say my God is my theory come true, because we see the archetype of the magician, who is grandalf the archetype of the hero who is frodo, who is the hero who gives everything for something, the archetype of the warrior, the archetype even of the evil of the dragon. It' s like there' s a psychoanalysis work. I think Freud would have seen this, made my God here I can write a new treatise. I take the edipus and break it for why, because it is incredibly of the inner world of each, of the unconscious, collective, as I would say, as yung would say. So, there I think it' s the key. I think it reflects all the impulses of humanity and shows us different types of personality, all together working as a group as a community.

1:04:14 And that' s what I want to claim, not as a chance to see ourselves. Yeah, I think that' s very curious. Not the magician, the warrior, the hero, the villain, the impossible love is worth another element that cannot be missed in the great novels. So, of course, I think it' s a good combination. You' ve already seen the figures on the books. It' s ridiculous, that is, those two have sold almost three hundred million copies. It' s a typical barbarity. It' s a great classic in science, fiction that' s going to be eternal. Alejandro Larnal, what did you think of the Lord of the Rings, because it is his success. Well, Juan, I think that in that sense, Tolkien bases his great success and his great merit on taking much of those myths, from those great stories of the Celts, giving them a turn of the eye, creating an impressive universe of literature from which were inspired several of the finest films and perhaps one of the sagas from the point of view of the most important cinema of all time. And one thing that I have always loved about Tolken Juange and listeners is that this man took many experiences of his own, also things that happened to him throughout his life and transported them to his work, to his books, for example, the concept of the region where the Hobbits live, this rural environment, very quiet, very far away, let' s say from a war environment.

1:05:46 It turns out that Mr Thorkin took him out of the village where he grew up, from Sart Hall, which is a rural area very close to Birmingham. He said that he grew up basically in a very small, very quiet region where everyone knew each other, very similar to what he represented from the Hobbits' life. Also and this already in a personal way, Tolkien wanted to represent through that almost impossible relationship between Arwin and Aragon. Arwin an elf and Aragon a human, an impossible love that he lived in his life the same tol as a juan, which turns out that he was in love with a woman named Edith Matty Bratt, a woman who was three years older than him, was a young woman who already at that time had a suitor, wanted to marry that man, and Mr Tolkien prevented that marriage, that impossible love. He felt absolutely in love with this woman and then Eddith Marite Brat became his wife. As a curious detail of this kind of details that man impressed in his work his personal experiences and another very interesting detail also Juan, regarding Afrodo Bolson. And well this story that has to do with lod Hobbit, it turns out that Mr Tolken had been an orphan. He lost his mother at the age of nine, a few years later to his father, and he wanted to imbue part of this experience with Frodo' s life

1:07:21 and included it in his book and was then represented in the film. So, in this way we see as details and characteristics of the life of Mr Tool, who were included in the work and subsequently represented on the Great screen. Juan is a real wonder, and he took a lot of his personal elements and I think he was a kind of guy who wrote because he liked it better than even he thought he was going to sell so many millions of copies. Obviously, he had a very good job, being an Anglo- Saxon professor of language and literature at Oxford, and the guy was really a genius, because he created a magical world in which they have immersed themselves. I no longer feel billions of people now, through the film Juan fe Castil Blanco, the generation of young people. Or the Lord of the Rings arrives so much. Or not, or it happens to you like Limiana Jons No, no. Not the Lord of the Rings and I like very much also listed as one of the best trilogies in the history of cinema. Also, as a curious fact, not only as in box office or in books as well, but also in prizes The Lord of the Rings and the return of the King and is of the most oscar films in history, along with Titanic and Ben Hur have eleven eleven statuettes of the films. Then it also shows the quality of the films they made. I also find it impressive that the films were recorded in the' 90s I think they recorded the three films in

1:08:55 one. The three films were recorded one by one and that allowed them to be released in two thousand one, two thousand two and two thousand three. I think they took it out with a year' s difference every one that I think helped, too, because it wasn' t too hard to wait five years for the next movie to be released. Or that' s like people already, like they bore him. And also the last thing I wanted to say was like special effects, since we' re talking about that in old movies. Well they were, they were old, but these special effects have nothing to envy to movies right now, they don' t see the movies as with the bad effects that doesn' t tell them how I' m going in the nineties, with that technology that they had and they could do this and now, more, with even more technology and make the half - chambona movies that tells us how amazing Shina. Yeah, me, the only thing I didn' t like was that in the prequel, in the hobby, making him a trilogy. That' s where they extended it to the absurd, that is, I think they broke the magic of the whole film saga. I don' t mean, I think they had to have made one condition right and not three. Well, to get money, the detail that the trilogy had recorded has not come out, while that had to be a work Carlos has made series of fission, but titanic of mad.

1:10:15 They spent three years recording them in several places, especially in New Zealand, which is where all the exteriors were recorded, all those valleys, those mountains and such are from New Zealand. And there' s a funny fact about this. When the actors' team of the ring lords trilogy, when the films were finished, they all made the same tattoo to remember this if it was a tattoo that was the nine in the phyco, because the team of nine main actors were living together practically three years between New Zealand, studies in London and other places. And everyone has a tattoo that' s a nine in elfico, that remembers that, that odyssey and clear curiosities of filming, because there are many three years notice, there are many. You have to remember. Watch out that Peter Jackson started with a movie that I love that your mother ate my dog. Your mother ate my dog. I don' t know. Enough was enough, your mother ate my dog, which is an absolute sparrow with liters of blood everywhere. You don' t ask him anymore. I don' t ask Juan if he' s seen her anymore.

1:11:33 Obviously not, from the sixties where a Spanish actress acted, by the way they are acting yes, a about Max was well known in Spain because to make movies and television. I don' t remember her name right now. I' m telling you, I' m looking for him right now. I' m telling you, it was the weirdest thing this broad does, that he went to Australia to record this Gore movie with Peter Jackson when he started and cijata where Peter Jackson got to and where he is, of course, he didn' t remember the Gore genre anymore. I believe that we have already closed the subject of Mr de los Anills, and I did not remember the genre of Gore, which I believe has already disappeared. Not for people who don' t know. I don' t know if Juan Fe ever seen in a gore movie or wasn' t all Serie B bad, but terrible practices. They were all zombies. And then the zombies when they were killed, because guts were coming out everywhere and the zombies devoured people and ate them and it was obvious that, instead of blood, because obviously, it was water with coloring that they had in their mouths and it was a very ridiculous thing, but it gave us morbidness. I don' t know why I love Serie B movies, bad movies. I love about all the bad zombie leagues and terror. I enjoy it because I know where the difference between terror and comedy is. Okay, there' s an invisible line.

1:13:01 That' s hard there. This. Do they do it for us to laugh? They do it so we' re scared it goes very well because and Ba Payok on YouTube, which is on YouTube fablmente, because that ' s what it is. Basically that. I think this Esteban has something, this is a Gordin Freep expert. I remember seeing bad things and I remember Peter Jackson saying that he had done that with friends and they had recorded it with almost homemade cameras, and that' s what made him so famous, because it doesn' t look like a Hollywood studio b movie, but they did it hand- in- hand and there are some amazing scenes with some aliens. But I remember if something nasty and unclean and rotten. It was a film he made after it was the next one called mid the Fables and Meted Fables. It' s a movie Peter Jackson made, which is like moppets, but completely junkies with venereal diseases. In other words, it ' s something like that. Vomiting and I remember it. You' ve seen it many times. I saw her like three times and I remember seeing her and my dad was looking at me like I have to wear a psychiatrist, because she was really insane. It was insane the maps with venereal diseases I' ve checked, I' ve already looked at the data. The Spanish actress does not go on bat and comes out the after Nit the Fabers, which is called Brinded, which is also a gore they are. I

1:14:33 think they' re both YouTube Binder and Suffice Nit the Favers' I don ' t know. I had long been her name Diana Peñalvert, as she went to Australia to record with Peter Jackson. Long before the big ones long before the big actors of Lord of the Rings and Binder' s is also one thing. His character Brinde is called Paquita María Salas, who was a spain living in Australia, who I don' t know why Peter Jackson put a Spanish, a Spanish woman in his film, because I don' t know why he' s called Paquita Maria. The magic of series B cinema that I think has already been lost. I would remember all my life those thirty- year- old Japanese films, that all Godzilla against King Kong or Godzilla against other monsters, and it was noticeable that they were dolls and moved it like that and it was that I didn' t know whether laughing or terrified was great. Chap has already lost the magic of all this kind of sheath and we have opened the melon of terror with the gore, as I have missed that gore. Of course, the gobio was to stop him by taking a beer because if there was no one to say it. We have opened the melon of horror cinema, the horror cinema that has had throughout the history different boom. I think the last big boom was when the movie was

1:16:04 made the sixth sense, and it' s a boom that' s lasted until a few years ago and now I create my feelings that after coviding people terror costs them. But terror didn' t leave a movie that are classics of cinema, that are masterful masters of Carlos is telling me almost that. Now you pass films that are magisterial, such as the exorcist based on a novel by Peter Blatti and a real exorcism, in exorcism by Robert Manhein, Alejandro Barnar tell us, on what is based the history of the exorcist and all the details of the film we already give you. I pass to Carlos García, because for me it is the best horror movie in history. I believe that the icing put in this case by the exorcist in a thousand nine hundred and seventy- three has not been re- matched by any production of this genre in the history of the Seventh Art jue that this event takes us until the 20th of August of a thousand nine hundred and forty- nine, when the Washington Post, one of the most important newspapers in the United States, publishes a report that speaks of an exorcism that was performed on a child, to a supposed Roland Dow at least so identified at the time, and when William Peter Blatty was able to read this report by Washington Post was really impressed. He felt that it was a very good idea to be able to

1:17:41 transfer him to the seventh art and as a very curious fact Juange. While Peter Blatty was finding out what had happened in this story of this infant, Roland Dow took a mind- blowing surprise from one of the most impressive exorcism cases of all time. Ron' s investigations of Peter Blatti and other curious regarding this Washington Post article, Wange learned that later this child had identified himself as Robert Manheim, a teenager who at the age of thirteen had been the victim of demonic possession. After having done some Wiham board sessions they would have opened a door to the beyond the interesting thing about this Juange is that the family begins to report that Robert Manheim is a teenager. He started having erratic behavior. Strange noises began to be heard in the house and they decided to contact the Lutheran pastor. Reverend Luthor Miles Shulls, who, in fact, had the opportunity to see the young man, found that he had a very strange behavior and that inexplicable events were happening in the house and Luther Mike decided to contact a Catholic priest, in this case Raymond J. Bishop, who in the company of another body of priests Juange, Edward Hughes, Walter Haroland

1:19:15 and William S Bowdern, decided to form a team to help accompany Raymond Bishop to carry out the release of this case because what Luther thousands said is happening here very rare things are happening. This is more for Catholics. You have more training in this regard than you are in charge of this. And Lutherans don' t admit pphysm sexers, they exactly lubricate it. They don' t emit asorphisms for that. No. So, even though the family was Lutheran, they laid hands on Father Bishop, who was also a psychologist, it was he who made the daughter with his aunt, it was his uncle, with his aunt and it is his aunt who dies. And the priest.

1:19:56 This Lutheran stays in shop because he says that in the house, that is, strange noises were heard and claw marks appeared on the walls. Specifically, and the exorcist who carries out the exorcist, who is Father Bulldiing, who had experience in visions and was the second Sorcist. There was a first one who tried to hold him, but the boy broke his arm. He ripped a pier out of the hospital bed and broke his arm. And then that' s why he arrived in Bulldeig and the esorfism lasted months, in that months and months and it was in Holy Week when he ended up counting Bulldin. I had a moment that the boy told him that he saw a light and then he started telling him the bull Daine see if you' re like in a well. Go make the light. Make the light, go make the light. And so ended the exorcism of Robert Manging, who is one of the most famous in the history of the Catholic Church. I think the 20th century, by far, is super documented. I in Spain, many years ago remove the report on this. You access it to the nephew ' s father' s statements. Father nephew was the one who shared room with Bullding and in those statements exactly what the nephew' s father said that Boldain told him that they decided to do the exorcism because one night they were with the child, he spoke in perfect English backwards. And that' s complicated, because a few words from the kid put them in and I was speaking perfect English backwards. There were cases of editing of the child, moving the furniture. According to church chronicles, he dermagraphs what appears in the film

1:21:31 that the child showed him my help. That' s true, according to ecclesiastical chronicles, and then it' s a story. There was a tremendous fear, but it has to be said that the film is very good, that is, the scene, for example, of the girl throwing up the priest. I think we' ve had it all recorded our whole life since childhood. And then, when they put the scenes she didn' t put in, she put the girl in the movie walking like a crab down the stairs. And so, I think that and these titles of mystery journalist and I think I don' t know if Alejandro agrees with me, there' s nothing more scary than the devil doesn' t care about the spirit, the spectrum of that. The demon wins from beatings because it' s ancestral, it' s archetypal and you can be the coolest guy in the world that you don' t believe in anything. But they tell you about the devil and you hear two weird noises and you poop and that' s what the movie Carlos plays with, which was there that told me he didn' t agree. Also, with that terror is not fashionable look, we only talked about it part of the other day at the University, in the talks you saw, there are statistics of collection by genres that can be searched on the Internet and in various portals. No. And while terror is never the first, because in recent years there is the first adventure, superhero action you.

1:23:00 The horror genre is constant, its face- to- face is constant, and then more films are produced, many more films, but with much less budget. So you make a movie of Captain America, for example, you make fifty horror movies. Then the number of productions of horror genre is much higher than that of any other genre in the last fifteen years. Practically so that a little what we were saying the other day, that the situation of instability, terror arises in times of crisis also global. The ex- sorgist comes out in the seventies as the great sagas of terror, also like Halloween, rule thirteen in the seventies, sheltered by the oil crises of the seventies, moments where humanity, where people do not know what will happen.

1:23:56 We saw that situation of ten years old, we don' t know what ' s going to happen ten years ago and that serial terror b floods the platforms, for example, in Netflix there are a thousand horror movies, in Max there are not how many millions. Even in Disney, within its characteristics produce little things that have to do with a very childish terror. AC is that they already terrorize teenagers. Or that' s yes, then terror doesn ' t win by beating. But it' s always there. It' s always there constantly, constantly, constantly. I think it' s a need for us to see that kind of story. And about the orphist, you were saying I put it on my students not long ago when I got out of the pandemic. Of course they laughed at the special effects. True, laughter and such escaped, but history struck them. There was another level in history, another level. There are scenes that we don' t believe.

1:25:08 Others are very well- rounded, but the story of the background is what really comes and does get a little comfortable. For me it' s the classic of classics. I think it' s the movie that gave me the most terror. So is the spell. It scared the shit out of me. I only saw the first one,' cause now I' m lumping up. It' s hard for me to see terror. And the other horror movie, which I thought was a wonder, is the prophecy again with the demon, the child Damian and so bad, Esteban Cruz, who is an anthropologist. I believe that terror has an element that is impressive in all of us, which is the possibility of being able to live to the extreme the most horrible things without having to be there. Not then are we spectators of death, of the massacre, of the supernatural, of the demons, without it touching us. And that takes us like on a roller coaster.

1:26:03 When we got off the roller coaster, we said huy almost killed me uy was in front of the vertigo in the horror movie it' s the same. But here' s one very interesting thing I think about, and it' s that in recent years there have also emerged some horror classics that for me are no longer easy to digest. I mean, I sit down to see the quiet prophecy literally compared to what they' re doing now. I mean, I don' t know if you' ve seen, but heredity and other kind of movies you' re making now of terror really that does disturb one, that is, let' s say this looks like a fairy tale, prophecy and exorcism compared to everything you' re doing now, because it' s pretty much a mascia between gor and a terror. A little more subtle also with noises, with music that disturbs you with much more force. Not then, yes, we have now had some real Mixomar films, for example Mitchomar, which is a film that leaves one disturbed and cannot sleep in ten days. I mean, one, there' s God, I want to see the prophecy again as I eat more melos days, Santo, ay bueno, by order that I' m already messing with Alejandro Bernar, Carlos García, Juan Fegas. The bass serves as point data. Robert Manheim' s exorcism of this teenager culminated on April 18, nineteen hundred and forty- nine, just as you described it. He said that the priest had possibly invoked the favor of St Michael Archangel, who had indeed produced this

1:27:38 liberation, this release of this demon that this teenager had And it turns out that a few years ago, a magazine in the United States, the Skepticallin Quaire, decided to do an investigation with some of the priests and relatives, trying to trace in this case the name of Pila, the real name and, in fact, Robert Mann had existed or if it had also been another invention, Juange, wounded with this case the real identity of the young man who was the protagonist of this liberation, one of the most important exorcisms of the 20th century. Juange Ronald Hunkeler, a man who, during his adult life, ended up becoming a NASA engineer, that is, the character who inspired the film of prophecy. He had a professional career at NASA quite interesting and by way of strange things that happened in the shooting of the film Juange It turns out that, when they were finishing the pre- production process, they decided to hire a priest to do an exorcism on the set to push away the bad spirits, because very strange things were happening in the shooting.

1:28:51 It is said, for example, that the actress who played Regan Nadmiel, the protagonist, the girl incarnated by Linda Bloor, at some point in that state where she was possessed, predicted the death of someone who was part of the production technical team. This person, in fact, died, and in total, John G numbered between four and nine people who died in various events, between four and nine people related to the prophecy production team who died in strange circumstances. You mean no prophecy, if you don' t mean exorcist. Exorcist Carlos Garcia did say about the prophecy. Now a movie has come out. The first prophecy, which is happening before the prophecy and was already at the end, is being simulated. Or that it took us a long time to get to the platform. It' s funny what we were talking about terror, because yes I think it' s a necessity we have, just like when they told us stories that Joseph comes back here again to change, just like when they told us stories about the fire Jun next to a cave there, when we arrived at caverns, other ancestors usually those stories, because they used to have something that impacted. We do nothing but reproduce all those habits through this kind of horror films as Esteban Nidsommar has said, which

1:30:27 is a film that has a lot to do with the anthropological, with the rites, I will say floral, please, with other types of rites not to them, tactical, The florals, are others, etcetera. And we need them to scare us. We need you to tell us those things like when you analyze children' s stories a little bit and you see that basically, in every children' s story there is a terrifying story. No little Red Riding Hood pussy that the wolf eats the girl, so people don' t think about it. The wolf eats the girl and tells the girl not to go alone in the woods, because they can you. The least they can do to you? It' s stealing from you, is that the least they can do to you? I can do a thousand things to you.

1:31:20 I don' t think we need to be told this. And I think that the horror genre is always going to have its place, even if it doesn' t sign up, as I said before, it' s always going to be there. I think that' s good, although there ' s one thing in terror. The genre I like is parodic terror. I love parodic terror, I love comic terror, coct terror, okay, I love holy day. Yeah, I think it' s necessary, I mean, to see myself for a while that I loved horror movies. It doesn' t cost me the truth anymore, no, but it' s true that many people need it, because that' s because suddenly they scare you up the line and such Juan Felipe sings white castel. How people see, how young people consume the end of terror. Good for us, so do I, for example, the exorcist, the' 70s. I don ' t think I' ve seen that one. I have to admit to the movies. The first horror movie was that of exorcism, but Emily Rose.

1:32:19 I don' t know if it' s tight and really good. That was the first one and I was already small. So, I kind of got traumatized for a while from the horror movies. Already after growing up a little bit, I began to like it more, as I began to eat more affection and especially, when the spell came out. Like you said, I' m also made that the success of those movies is like they ' re based on real fact. The Warrens, who are the couple who go out in the spell Deelorraine Warren, really existed already, but they existed. The cases of the first and second films, the third, I' m not sure, were real. Obviously, Hollywood exaggerates them a little bit, but because, I mean, the cases happened, the demons then existed those cases. Like that, as well as the movie having I don' t know something more exciting for me. For me and something that Carlos mentioned just a little bit ago that the budget horror movies, that is, have very little budgets. Last year a film came out of a small studio called twenty- four. The film is called Tok Tomi Talk to Me. I don' t know if they saw her. The budget was$ 4 million, but the film doesn' t feel like a series b It doesn' t feel like a movie. Just like homemade, the movie doesn' t feel like it had a giant budget. Very good, very good of the best films of the last years for here that I have seen in terror.

1:33:44 Too good, and the cool thing about that movie was like in all the exorcist movies. And no one wants them to own it. Obviously, the demons got into this toctomy and no spoilers or anything. Young people want to be possessed, they want to prove that they feel possessed. So that made me a different approach to horror movies that I liked very much and if you haven' t seen it, see them very good, well, thank you very much for that Council. Well, sir, you' ve got five minutes to get to the end of the show, not six minutes, and then what I want to see is that we have time to make some final conclusions. Here in good condition, we start with Mr Esteban Cruz, who has a YouTube channel called Crilliente' s Cross audios. Esteban Croue your conclusion, your closure. Why we' re such movie fans. I believe that chine allows us to see and allow us to feel, to feel things that are in our imagination and that we sometimes consider impossible. When we watch Indiana Jones on the screen, when we watch Luke Skywalker, when we watch horror movies, we feel in our soul, in our heart. What these protagonists feel is neuronal effect, they are mirror neurons and so on. And that and that is living other lives. And I believe that cinema allows us the illusion of living other lives and living fantastic impossible worlds. And that' s what remains a mystery to me and continues to the Cross. It' s

1:35:15 the YouTube channel. You can look for it. Place Writing Cross on YouTube. They write Cruz, writer on YouTube. There it is, they subscribe. It' s free and there' s a lot of mystery issues like this and a lot more. Thank you very much, Juan Que for the invitation, thanks to you friend Carlos, friend, because cinema is pure magic and it is not only mysteries, but magic and indeed, that ability that it has to do beyond. Well, a little more I can add to what you said to with what Esteban said. From that angle I go back to what he said in the end, forgiveness at first. Cinema is a mystery in itself. I still find it wonderful to put in front of a screen and see what they tell me and see what they tell me and how they tell me. On Sunday, a few days ago I went to see the second part of it and it still impresses me. I' m still impressed to get into a dark place because I' m from alcina. Although I really like watching movies at home, it' s another way, but I like going to the movies. I' ve grown up with it.

1:36:19 It' s wonderful to me. It' s an experience you have to live and I think that, unfortunately, you' re missing the fact of going to the movies, going to the living room and enjoying that event. I hope, I hope, it doesn' t get lost, even if it' s for minorities and I wouldn' t want to lose it. I' m saying that sometimes it' s hard for me and I like to see it at home, but I think it' s necessary, because it doesn' t take us anywhere else. It makes us dream and we need to dream. We need to escape this world continuously at every minute. And you get that from a century ago, and I hope it goes on for another two centuries. How I hope it continues that good reflection you have made friend Carlos García, in the sense of the crisis in which he is entering the cinema, because people no longer want to leave home. We want to see it all on the platform and it' s like it' s slowly shrinking and that' s it. I don' t know the magic to go to the movies to eat your chryspeta, your coke tail in one with a gigantic screen and now more than you can see the cinema in three d put on your glasses and a music that shakes your soul. It' s a shame we' re losing, losing that. Juan fe Castel Blanco, your conclusion and your close friend, because the cinema magic mystery and will always accompany us. I feel like the chine will always accompany us, because it' s like an escape we have. Sometimes you' re in that reality. It also helps us like going to different fantastic worlds, as Esteban

1:37:51 said, and feeling like we' re part of a bigger world, which is that we' re here. Also if it helps us to do that, like to escape and to feel calmer, they also do in some cases, doing catharsis you go to the movies and sometimes you cry you laugh you get scared and that' s magic. That' s magic to me, and that feels like they just feel nothing, you just get to feel in a movie room in the house. You might as well, but movie theaters for me can' t die. And hopefully, they' ll get more strength, because that is, with the same strength as before, because it ' s really amazing to go to the movies and experience that there. Thank you very much, John faith and your channel of instagram is and polículas, I repeat, and very well polículas, Alejandro Bernal, your conclusion of your final friend. You couldn' t understand the 20th century without the cinema.

1:38:45 For me one of the most important forms of entertainment of the last century and in the present, used by the Nazis to be propaganda. But the great dream machine of the 20th century. For me it was the cinema and you can follow me on social networks, on Twitter, Instagram and tiktok, on Arroba, alevernal Press and if you like my work, I invite you to subscribe to my YouTube channel. Mandra Misterius, Mandragora Mysteries on YouTube, because it seems wonderful to me to be able to see another world and touch them, even with the tip of our fingers, simply sitting in front of a big screen, diving into a story of characters who are villains, others, loving, drunk, prostitute, good people, bad people, people, villain, what society is and what the world itself is and being able, even with cinema, to travel through other galaxies. It is a magic that I hope will never be lost and that we can all continue to enjoy, because all human beings. From time to time we need to get out of a world that often paints tedious, where, in addition, there are people as evil, even as politicians. And never forget that we live in a magical world, because it is full of mystery