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0:08 Hello, everyone, as you are there. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. I am a journalist, writer and director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. In the mid- nineteenth century, an actor shot and killed the President of the United States of America, Abraham Lincoln, something that shocked the whole country and, as it could be no less, set up a special entourage to carry Lincoln' s body. It was a special train with nine wagons. Lincoln' s body was displayed in different cities and seen by millions of people. But this shock seems to have been able to have an echo decades, even centuries later, because thousands of witnesses say they have seen the ghost train of the Lincoln entourage long after and it is so about a disturbing possibility, are the ghosts echoes memories of the past, when one fact is able to shock several people or many thousands. Well, if you want to know about this and much more, you don' t want to.

1:18 The last mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio ghosts the inhabitants of the afterlife. That night of May, one thousand and fifty- one, Clara Villanueva wept dismayed at her home in Manila, Philippines. What I had experienced was terrible and very difficult to tell. According to her testimony, an invisible entity that she described as a man of small stature with large eyes, attacked him I say invisible because he could not be seen by other people near him. Only she saw it. Clara Villanueva, crying in grief at home, decided to call the police. Philippine police came to Clara Villanueva' s house and the officers who were there were shocked to see again for the second time. How that invisible being attacked her again. The police only witnessed the attack, but

2:54 also saw bites appear in their arms and legs from nowhere. I don' t know what' s beyond the shadows, but there are times when that something beyond is capable of waking up and becoming our worst nightmare. And the story of Clara Villanueva, unfortunately, is not unique. In the year nineteen hundred and seventy- four, the University of California also received the desperate call from Doris Beater, one of the best psychiatrists in the United States how Warlone, to be exact, professor at the University of California became interested in her case and it is that Doris Beater was saying that also not a being, but invisible beings that only she could see attacked her. In particular, he said that he was a very dark man who could never see his face in the company of two other little ones who grabbed her and among the three abused

4:25 her and also, they hurt and beat her. At first, the Psychiatrist Guarlon thought that what happened to Doris was nothing more than a sleep disorder and a possible case of hysteria. But it all began to twist and become more bizarre. When the psychiatrist sent a team of investigators to Doris Beater' s house and stunned saw how. Suddenly, one night the lights of the house began to blink, the cupboards opened themselves and Doris began to convulse, leaving his body marked with different wounds. This led Howarlong to take her directly to the University of California to a laboratory to investigate the dream, which happened a night of nine hundred and seventy- four at the University of California went down in history. Doris was fully monitored in a room, being observed by different investigators, many of whom were psychiatrists. Suddenly, according to the testimonies of those who were there, a series of strange lights began to materialize around Doris

5:59 Beater. At the same time as those lights materialized one hand as invisible, he took it, grabbed it and tossed it. After that terrible shaking. On Doris' back appeared scratches on his chest, scratches on his thighs and, most strange and disturbing, when he was as gripped by that spectral being, injuries to his vagina typical of a sexual assault. The psychiatrists who were terrified in front of us took different pictures. One of them is still in analysis, in the annal forgiveness of parapsychology worldwide. You can search it on Google, or then we put it on our social networks, where you will see an arc of light in around ons to Doris Beater. The investigation of his case lasted eight weeks and this type of attack was repeated. It was then that the writer Fran De Felita appeared there and witnessed one of those historical attacks that struck him so much that he pushed to write a novel that was called El Ente in the early eighties, a film that was called El Ente whose script made fran de Felita and it is curious what I am going to

7:34 tell him. The research team at the University of California was so disheartened and not knowing what to do with what was happening to Dorics Better, that they invited her to go well away from California and she went to live in Texas. They made him several exorcisms and the attacks never stopped. There is something beyond hidden in the shadows capable of tormenting us and legends do not arise from nothingness. They have heard of the succubus, the demons who from the afterlife, from the darkness, come out and in the night during sleep attack women to sexually assault them. It is something that is in countless cultures and that science, thanks to this research by Howard Long, was able to prove as a proven fact. Even if we don' t know what' s behind it. Boris Peter said he was a very dark man that when he grabbed her he had claws and that two smaller ones also with claws helped him to hold her. A terrible story that was even reflected in a disturbing photograph that

9:09 has decades. Beware of shadows because one day you can wake up remember, you always win the light and stick to it. It is that something beyond the darkness, that shadow capable of tormenting us. We don' t know. However, he has been with us since man was a man. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want to follow me on social media. My twitter is Arroba Juang Vallejo, Juan j de Vallejo, on Instagram and on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show.

9:54 And here what we do is mystery journalism. We put the facts on the table and you decide what' s behind it and not today a series of disturbing facts, because we' re going to tell you about that darkness, which is beyond the shadows. What do you think of Doris Beater' s story? Then the story passed through the novel as Carla Morán his real name, I repeat Doris Beater. You know I' m doing copyright trips. The next author' s trip will be from September 22 to October 1st of this year to Egypt, to navigate the magical temples of the Nile that keep their magic intact for thousands of years, or to walk next to the pyramids of Giza. All the information about my copyright trips is available on the web.

10:48 Three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com I repeat, three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com and we start now without further delay. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how are you doing very well that a greeting for you, also for all those who consume this content through the podcast that we publish on the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio today a program full of cases of ghost trains Juan gne casuística quite interesting in the field of abnormal phenomena and with an exception guest, a great friend of the two, Mado Martínez, a great researcher. Yes, we' ll talk about ghost theatre. We will also talk, for example, about some ghost hotel and even a ghost lighthouse if it doesn' t give us time, because we go a little bit fair, just in time, and the interview with the writer and our little sister, Amado Martínez, starts so where they end up and where the limits of reality begin, a reality that often becomes disturbing, because it is as if all of a sudden other dimensions penetrate this one and can be counted not by thousands, I would say even by millions. The amount of testimony he comments from people who comment that they have seen spectral beings and not only spectral beings also known as ghosts, but even trains that seem to emerge from that disturbing. Beyond that and the one she has published lately there was a novel in which she speaks to

12:22 us from fiction, from a story, from stories that are based on reality, from our friend and sister Mado Martínez, who has just released with Pan Americana Editorial a novel called The Train of the Almamado Martínez, What' s there. How are you, friend, so happy to be here with you Juan Hey, with Alejandro Bernal and all these listeners. Very, very happy to be here. How do I tell you to write a novel in which a ghost train appears, for an obsession. He tells you a session, I mean, I started chasing the idea of a ghost train, a supernatural train, and it was an image that I had inside my head. That ' s what happens to all my novels. I don' t mean this, but like I' m telling you. He was chasing me He looked at me. It was an obsession and it made me anxious to have that in my head and not sit. I mean, I had to sort of look for moments to sit down and write that story, because I was starting, like, to come as characters, like whispers. I write a novel, I always feel like some kind of medium, like giving voice to those characters who eventually write themselves. And, well, that' s how this story came up from a group of childhood friends who haven' t seen each other for a lot of years and decide to meet in the old abandoned station of their village. More than anything, to fulfill the whim of barbara,

13:54 which is as if I was not waiting, was Alejandro, who is the one who goes crazy the normal group for fulfilling the whim. And so they go there they' re drinking beer, broking, catching up. And what happens is that at the edge of midnight he appears on the enigmatic train and they climb. And the interesting thing is what starts aboard that train because they can' t get off. They don' t go up and they can ' t go down. But they on board that train feel, then, that they can be those who have never wanted who they could never have been. He' s kind of a wonderful lamp genius. They feel very good in there, that is, they are not in a hurry to come down, but, at the same time, it is a kind of mirror that reflects their own monster and they will not be able to come down unless they overcome the ghosts of their own mind. They have to resolve the conflicts, the debts they have between them. From childhood we see how the whole history of all those days, debts and secrets they have between them, with the collective history of their people schools, which is a place where it seems like nothing ever happens, but everything is happening. No. I' ve been from town and I always say that small town, big hell, no, and it' s a broken- child story that we all carry inside.

15:16 It' s an intimate psychological terror, very emotional. You' ll spread guns. Listen, why is it? I had an obsession with terror issues Look at you We, Alejandro Bernallillo, here don' t practically ever make terror issues. And, well, I admit I caught some mania from them. After investigating, I don' t know how many scenes. Well, I' d say hundreds of cases of polter Gate and I caught him a little laziness. I took a little laziness in the sense of saying that I understand that the mystery is to show people a magical world. And now, with my author travel agency and I' m going to Egypt and such a story that from time to time I still like terror. I am not going to say that I suddenly hate it, that I have become a radical against terror and such, but it is true that, especially after the pandemic, I said uy, because I talk about omnis other issues and they raze in digital and terror is not bad. I' ll tell you what' s wrong, but I said well, because I recognize him I caught him like a little bit of a laziness. But You are this book the train of souls, which I don' t know what kind of audience you' ve thought of and for all audiences. It' s a little more youthful book.

16:21 But it is that You have made the best book that has been made of paranormal phenomena in recent years, which is another one I have here than in Mysteries of the World with B editions. By the way, these two books of yours, both the train of souls and mysteries of the world, can be obtained by Amazon for people living outside Colombia. Yes, of course, in fact, the mysteries of the world are in Pengwin of the United States, that is, it is in the chains of World Mart Warehouses. You, who have so much public in the United States is easier to get in the United States than in Spain. The world is in Colombia, in the United States, in Spain will surely come. I don' t know if Compenwin, not by the hand of another publisher or if we will put it directly for sale on Amazon and the train of souls is in editions at the fall of the group to Naya in Spain and here in Colombia, in Panamericana, exactly for the people who are in the United States or outside Amazon.

17:17 Sure, maybe life' s easy. And what you' re telling us about the terror issues, the truth is none of my horror novels in quotes. I always say already a fantastic genre is of terror to use i e, it is not like scream, it is not a slasher, it is not of effect, it is not to give, it is not a psychological terror, very intimate and emotional in the Holy, equal in the Curse, anyway, in all my novels. Why, because in the end this is about how one gets off the wagon of his own mind, from that goes to the train of souls, how one gets off the wagon of that properly and the broken child that we carry inside. It really doesn' t matter if we' re forty years old, forty- five years old, fifty years old, fifty- five years old, we' re still carrying a broken child inside. We never stopped growing up. It is a continuous process of things that we have to heal, of traumas, of traumas, of blames of fears and of that to this story, in a supernatural three, what a great thing we all have in our childhood. I think things that marked us and things that really hurt us and traumas and fears and terrors and I think that' s normal. Okay, I think that' s normal and that you' ve made a novel that addresses that and how you can leave those issues behind and how we' re all submerged from time to time in stories that scare us, that there are characters that are crucial to

18:47 me in terror, like Stephen King. Not Stephen King that I left Stephen King because I always get a bad fuck when I get to the end of the books, because everyone ends up in a terrifying way and you don' t expect it. So I' m already pissed off that I said I don' t read about Stephen King anymore, but I remind you of a novel of his called a curse, which I thought was one thing, but really brilliant. And we all have this way. I think that the people we' ve researched these kinds of issues we all have, as well as some history. Whenever she says milk, she really exists beyond that. I, for example, see that I was in the United States, and he goes next door to Annity Bill' s very famous house, which is how this kid like Ronald de Feo murders and ends up with the lives of his family members and no one hears the shots and appears on all the bodies.

19:41 So face down in bed. It just doesn' t make sense. No one was ever able to explain anything like that. Or I remember so many nights I' ve been researching different abandoned places in Spain and elsewhere. Well, look at that Alejandro Bernaldo got it back, a fourth millennium program. I remembered it because it was one thing that struck him very much in the abandoned tuberculosis hospital of Granada' s Alfaguara that ruled Berta Wihelmi. I think it was called c effectively doing trying to get psychophony out suddenly and of course, so you have to go asking questions in case that answers with its coherence to what you' re asking that someone didn' t know how to think that psychophonies are more than just a meaningless echo, but that they would really echo from the hereafter. And I ask what you see from the other side, and there' s a voice that says to you you know that I ran out of there yeah, well, please, let' s see the fables, a little sawmill that' s just outside Granada where there' s an abandoned tuberculous hospital. I think it was abandoned about a century ago, that nothing happened to you there, because it turns out that, apart from passing an impressive cold, because in that Sierra de Granada, in winter, you can not be already second highest elevation in Europe after Mont Blanc. I

21:15 mean, it' s cold, you' re cold, you' re cold, we' re wearing two pairs of pants. I don' t know how many herseys. We didn' t even feel our fingers. It took us a long time to find the place, because it' s not easy to find it. We were with a Jesuit monk who indicated us and well we arrived after many works, as they would say in the past, Cervantes, after many works, we arrived there with all our equipment, the recording company, better said, more loaded than a donkey and nothing we started to explore the area, we lit a campfire in a vidon that we found, because it is that we were really in danger of hypothermia already and because that we started to do the recording tests that if there is someone here that if I don' t know what, that if I don' t know, how much. But this in a place as remote as you can imagine people have said it. Ayá on top, in the saw of the mountain range of Faguarra, where it is not easy to reach. And I remember that there was Cristina Candela, a Malaga journalist, and there was my friend Xavi, there was Maria and there was another guy. And I remember Christina and I were sitting in front of each other, and we were asking those questions that, by the way, I think we pulled out some psychophony, one that said our name, our story and suddenly I hear a scream,

22:47 but I hear it, uh, it' s not that serious. We recorded a psychophony, which I heard a scream and said nothing is worth it. I' m freaking out, but I' m not saying anything It ' s okay because I didn' t want to. I mean, I also thought maybe I imagined it, you know, and Cristina says, you heard that and everyone else didn' t find anything and I did and suddenly we panicked about these unexplained irrationals that didn' t. But of course I was saying if I say now, after everything we' ve had a hard time getting here, we' re getting out of here, they' re going to throw themselves at me because they' re going to say it.

23:30 But if we just got here and I say and I come up with an excuse, you know and I say no, it' s just coming down a lot in the fog. This isn' t with the car, and then we' re not gonna see anything. We' d better not go now. I don' t know what and all of a sudden I thought everyone was gonna tell me right now, but if we just got here, you know they say everything, but let' s go and start everybody picking up all Hostia. But we panached, I mean, but one thing, but I didn' t look, I said, but what' s going on here, what' s going on, picks everybody up there already, but as if they were the soul in it and we' re running away, but running, and my friend Cristina looked back and everything and I was saying, but as if they were already chasing us a super weird thing, not there, but kennel, because I think that in that kind of moments and in this kind of places, well, apart from that human psychology influences a lot. It is suddenly milk that is playing across the limits of reality.

24:36 I remember in that sanatorium of the Alfaguara, I repeat, province of Granada, in Spain, it is a very gloomy place, because there they sent the tuberculosis so that they did not spread and died and from there they did not leave. I mean, it' s a tremendous place, a terrifying story, apart from living it out of that psychophony, that there' s on the other side someone telling me to you with a voice that we don' t know where it came from. I remember an experience I had of something I had never lived in life, which is one thing they call zero silence. There was wind, the branches were moving and suddenly I would turn like this in the sanatorium and I would stay in a square and there would be nothing to hear and say but it doesn' t make sense, which is how it is that you don' t hear anything here. You know, that would be one thing It' s really, really crazy.

25:26 And then, well, I think it' s still playing to be grown - ups when we go to that kind of place, every now and then to terrorize us because it terrifies us the unknown and looks back a while ago in hiding, behind the shadow on the YouTube channel that I' ve also interviewed Michelangelo sure that he is a person who has done a lot of research for Spain. Not about this and he told me a sentence that the truth that made me reflect told me juange what is in those places, what remains are always demons and it is as if they feed on our energy, our terror, our emotions, what is happening and so and it was a phrase that made me like reflect, because there are times that I have also perceived as that, not as I hear I have been careful, has been careful with this. I' m superstitious. You know that. Besides, I do, I' ve always been loaded with rings, amulets, tattoos.

26:25 It' s okay because I haven' t trusted certain things and because I really believe the battle forgives. The Earth has been a battlefield between lights and shadows for thousands of years. So I have a lot of respect for that guy from him I have a lot of respect for that kind of thing, and someday I don' t close the door to re- investigate some gay porter phenomenon or. Something' s good, but I' ve had fun. I think all the people we get into mystery journalism, because we' ve ever done that kind of research. I just did a lot of it. I did a lot and it was a lot of nights and I think it' s also a personal evolution to say good, because I think it ' s a stage that I went through and that it burned And now it ' s my turn, because other different ones, because they are stages of life. And now it' s our turn to make radio and other completely different stories. And we' re still here on mystery night. We were interviewing writer Amado Martínez about her research in different parts of the world and the interview continues ah Yes, today, called why a train and not a hotel or a ship or a spaceship, because look there is everything, but as this born an obsession in which I did not stop imagining that train a supernatural phantom king train. Okay. I think the train is one of the most romantic and at the same time most disturbing means of transport in history, because look a lot at your journey. They even have place inside the chierra on

27:57 underground journeys, not through Tunnels as if it swallowed you. And it' s one thing that when you think about it, because when the first train arrived to the Peninsula at the Barcelona station, can frank that that went thirty kilometers per hour, but people thought it was a demonic egendro, because it was a thing made of Armatostes, that exhaled smoke and made noises, and it was like that was alive and they said that good. There were articles published in Lance magazine, which is the most prestigious medical magazine that said that pregnant women could abort if they subscribed to a pren you could move your brain and that that was dangerous. And besides that they greased it with baby fat the sajamantecs killed children to grease the machinery and there were boycotts and destroyed what was built at night, because that was a drama. Suddenly arriving from Barcelona they killed in just a few minutes playing before what was leaving were cars and tartanas, because of course it was a brutal thing. But because of all those travel stories, you liked Adolfo E, who was the great poet writer who also made those railway chronicles and all those ghost train stories that inspired me.

29:19 Although I also collected during years of research, it is that the train of souls arises that beautiful. I love the train. I love to travel by train. It seems to me the most comfortable way to travel. The fact that you can get up to a bar a restaurant inside the train and have a beer or bite is very comfortable. You can go working with the computer, that is I have missed that here, in Colombia, there are no more trains. We do not have very good few railways, no less not yet, that is to say like pauperrima or very jo I hope already infrastructures that recover them, because Colombia also had its past. Yes, Alexander Nente that in Lady there was an age. Yes, it' s about what you' re talking about, which gives me a lot of nostalgia especially for my grandfather' s generation and previous ones who got to see the train tracks running here in Colombia. This is to contextualize people who are from outside the country. Unfortunately, Colombia does not currently have a developed railway infrastructure.

30:23 There are simply a few routes that are used to transport certain products, but actually passenger train, except for a tourist train. Here, on the savannah of Bogotá, which is a fairly short journey. At the country level, there is no developed infrastructure and this is regrettable. And hopefully, not only this government, but the next ones will pay more attention to this type of transport. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, I think there was a train even to Bogotá, to Santa Marta. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? You also have to tell people that you don' t listen outside of Colombia, that I' m a lot more, I' m a majority. Here too there are people who Colombia is one of the most orographically orographically more complex countries in the world. Okay, because here the Andes mountain range is divided into three plus the amount of jungle we have. I mean, in Colombian. It' s easy to make train tracks, roads or absolutely my airport. It' s just that they tell it to the grass airport whoever' s capable of landing. He' s already graduating there. Yeah, this is a pretty particular country. Yeah, it' s pretty particular. But, hopefully, I fully support what Alejandro Bernal said I hope, this government and the next ones will really promote the train again. I' d love to go from Bogota to the Caribbean.

31:38 Train would have been beautiful. It would be wonderful to get to. I think there was a train coming from Bogotá to Santa Marta and stuff like that. I think that would fascinate me. But, let' s keep dreaming that it' s still free Listen to one of the stories that inspired you for this book, for the train of souls, and that I keep the microphone and that pulls out of your other book, the mystery book of the world. It is a story that I find fascinating, which is that of the ghost train of Abraham Lincoln, who was President of the United States, who was shot on the fourteenth of April of the year one thousand eight hundred and sixty- five, dying on the fifteenth of April of one thousand eight hundred and sixty- five, it has to be said that Lincoln was in a theater, at the Ford Theatre, and that one of the actors, John willist Bot, shoots a jar in his head and spends a few hours and the next day is a terrible agony. Lincoln dies and what I didn' t know I read in your book, I didn' t know this story. The truth is that Lincoln is made to say the strangest and most railway funeral procession in history, because they walk Lincoln' s body about two weeks more than two thousand kilometers down. I don' t know how many cities and that' s crazy. This is one of the most fascinating

33:09 and bizarre stories I' ve ever researched in my life. Che Al Lincoln, who already dismissed a strange character for his wife was medium because they did spiritualism sessions to try to contact his deceased son, his son Will who had also come to predict even his own death. I mean, Lincoln' s is brutal and one of the most beloved Presidents of the United States, loving you and beloved of history, they murder him and the American people join a duel in a mourning that begins on April 18th, one thousand eight hundred and sixty- five, which is when they put Lincoln on a train that they had also created for him, as if it were the Air Force One of the trains had not come to the premiere and the Minister of Defense had taken over that train. By the way, along with the remains of his son Willy, who exhumed him, he is worth putting on that train on a literal ice bed on an ice bed, with all the soldiers of the Union army dressed in blue, with all the authorities of the bureaucrats and two embalmers.

34:20 Of course, to start a journey of more than two hundred kilometers through twelve major cities and four hundred communities, the Minister of Defense ordered to print leaflets with schedules and everything goes for when the train passes through his village. Okay and every time they took it to one of these twelve major cities, they showed it in open taúd it' s okay that the thing smelled. I' m telling you, they had to embalm him twice, because this lasted two weeks, two weeks, and of course, this left an imprint on the brutal American historical memory. This rail route, this one we go the rolling burning chapel. Of course, you have to think of that train, as you have said loved ones too, which was like lail foss One, like the plane. It was a train that had been thought of by the super safe and super special president. And such are new nine vabons, which would be a spectacular thing that journey a couple of weeks of two thousand and a peak kilometers. And there' s a bad fact in his book that left me in shock, that it' s estimated that over nine million people physically saw the coffin and poor Lincoln already rotting and people on top of the coffin. It' s one thing, yeah, don' t look.

35:34 If on the 21st of April, at his stop in Harrisburg, there was a terrible torrential rain that forced to suspend the funeral procession and there were so many altercations of all the people who wanted to see him. I' m talking about hundreds of thousands of people who didn' t have a way, that is, there was no way to stop the Easts from being that, or rain or anything. This was then. This left such a strong imprint in the historical memory of the Americans that from that moment, at that time, it is said that on April 27th, at Albany station, which is where this funeral procession and railway rolling began, the Lincoln train appears and many people go to Pukips, to the Pukips station to see if it is true, as happens a little to the protagonists of my novel, the train of the Souls, who will see if it is true that the train of the Souls of their people appears legends, because the people go to the station of Hipokipsi, to see if it appears the Lincoln Train, which says that it appears, therefore, on a black robe, covering the rails with the soldiers of the Union army, in their blue uniforms, guarding and flanking that railway train, that when the Lincoln Train passes, if all clocks stop, that does not work again until it has left. This is the Lincoln Train story and it' s very curious. Not because there' s press clippings.

37:05 You have a cut of companies from the Albany Evening Times newspaper of nineteen hundred and seventy- eight, where they comment on how people go to the place, to this station in Albany, to see if they can see the train on the 27th of April and who comment on people who appeared the train as with a kind of two black crespons, one on either side, people who commented that they looked like spectral figures of the Union soldiers, others who listened like a whistle or even a very light hearsay of the background. And I do believe that when I' ve researched all this ghost stuff and so that there are like moments I don' t know why where the limits of reality fall and suddenly they can plant. They can appear as echoes of the past, as things that could happen and so and suddenly see it for one or two seconds, but they can be seen and that seems super curious to me, especially the fact that they marked so many billion people and where a tremendous emotionality turned. I' m a story that the truth I didn' t know. I' d love to see that train, even if my watch stops for a few minutes And, well, I think it' s funny, not because there' s a part of me that says well,

38:37 because this is a fact that impacted American civil society so much, that it ' s that they murdered a man who is the one who ends the American civil war also in the American civil war, but that' s the one who signs so that people of color can live in freedom in the United States. A person who for many will be very dear, by others very hated and who but, after all, if it was a tremendous shock, then I know to what extent an urban legend is so that that memory never goes away or maybe, someone really saw something as if that train wanted to be eternal reminding the Americans. Watch out and beware that even if you are the most powerful nation in the world, there may also be civil wars here and they fixed what happened on the Capitol a couple of years ago. Alejandro bernal Ok is that, in fact, about what you are talking about and this case so amazing that it told us wrong a few moments ago, there is a report from the Witchi Ta Herald newspaper of the city of Wichitan, Kansas, an article that was published in one thousand eight hundred seventy- nine and that gathers the testimony of a man who claimed to have seen this ghost train where Abraham Lincoln' s body was located. This man commented that on the night of the twenty- fourth of April of one thousand eight hundred and sixty - six, he heard the noise of a locomotive very different from the usual

40:09 sound made by the trains that he expected and suddenly appreciated a train that had some banderitas and even reached to see some soldiers. This man says that it was a very vivid vision, something very real and that later, when he found out about a man who could not read, it must be borne in mind that in the nineteenth century there was a lot of illiteracy, even in the United States. When he later learned of this journey they made with the body of Abraham Lincoln, this man immediately attributed this strange appearance of this train in Wichita, Kansas in the 19th century, with the train that would have taken the body of this President of the United States, murdered Jorge Curious, not to say for different parts of the country. It' s funny and good I already tell you for me when there is fact that they mark so much population and in this case, a tragic fact, a fact, a lucid fact. I do believe that those echoes of the past can remain and things like this can happen in any way. It' s not the only ghost train story he' s picked up, much less, because tragic story of the ghost train of Bostiam Bridge, that this was an accident that there was on August 27th of a thousand eight hundred and ninety- one, one

41:43 on a train leaving the station of Stattleville, in North Carolina, in the United States, and that nothing that just a couple of kilometers or three leaves the station by a bridge passing a river, the train falls and there are many people who make the fall or that were eighteen meters. Others also die from drowning, so that twenty- three people die. And this story struck me a lot when I was reading it, not just because there are witnesses to that train, even a curious one who lost his life trying to see that train. How is that story of this Bostian Bridge train, because for me this is the Titanic of trains, because it was a real tragedy, that is, it was late and for trying to recover lost time, it went up to the speed that you already see sixty- five kilometers now.

42:44 But he did it on a deadly stretch, which was that bridge, which became a death trap and look. If this five- car was terrible, this thirty- five wagons that I found standing on top of others imagine falling these wagons there like some on top of other machacándos had to call even the soldiers of the penitentiary to help in the rescue of what that was and held to the second horror. Those who had not died in the accident died drowning as the wagons slowly sank. So, well, we have testimonies, but as well as a movie of a mother holding on to her daughter until she couldn' t do it anymore and I don' t know what she really means to be a real, real horrible traya, horrible horror, horrifying.

43:38 A year after this fateful event, coinciding just with the anniversary of the accident, and a group of people who were walking along those very tracks, heard an instruction. Then, looking at the place of origin, they saw a man dressed as a railroad operator asking them the time while staring at his pocket watch and saying that well, it seems that for a few moments they ignored him because they looked up at the bridge, which was what had happened, the destroying that they had heard and when they turned again, this man was no longer there. I mean, they heard a rumble like there was an accident and they saw this man asking her now looking at her chain clock.

44:29 They say that this man was actually the ghost of the former baggage chief, uh Lindster, who had been decorated with a gold watch for thanking him for all his years of service. Thirty years in the service of the railway company and some of the survivors also remembered seeing him looking at the time clock with gestures, as well as in amazement, as if he were wrong, not before, just before the accident. And this was the first legend that arose around the Bostian Bridge, which was not the only one and was accumulating more misfortune, as I say as if the place invoked misfortune. In a thousand nine hundred forty- one twenty- seven August, fifty years after the accident, say, another anniversary, is worth nothing. A woman was in her car sitting there waiting for her husband to come back to change the wheel of the car because she had ruined it and as she waits for it she sees it coming out of nowhere a train hears it the papor listens to the requests of the locomotive, the rumble, that is, the whole fall. He sees a mass of that he sees the scene, he sees everything, he sees people uttering laments, he sees all despair, everything lives everything in a few moments. Or a car parked next to yours. It was her husband who was accompanying her with the owner of good, with the mechanic who were going to help her. And so, it combines them to go out and see all that I' ve seen when they arrive in absolutely nothing. She

46:04 entered as in a loop She had seen that tragedy again repeated and then clear from all these sightings, for the legend of the ghost train of the Bostian Bridche begins to become cumbersome and arises around this phenomenon, like that of the Lincoln train, for a series of ghost hunters who try to go there always in August and celebrating that anniversary, to see if it is true that this ghost train appears? What is it, because one of these ghost hunters, to Christopherre Keyser, twenty- nine, who was from Charlotte, went with a group of friends up there one night to see if it was true that the ghost train appeared. They get there, they go into what is the passage, the bridge, the railway bridge and the railway bridge and, yes, a train arrives. Well, they hear a train, because they see the lights, but it wasn' t a ghost train. Echoes of the past that occasionally wake up people who are terrified, because they are able to see what happened decades ago and here we are on mystery night we were interviewing Amado Martínez about ghost trains and the interview continues ah Yes, it was a real train and it was coming towards them. And the worst of all is that they were on a bridge, on a bridge that they couldn' t escape, and then they start running in the opposite direction to run away from

47:37 that train that was going right towards them, and nothing that they didn' t die practically all alone. She' s some girl who was in front of Christopher, who he pushed her, pushed her to save her, and she was left with some pretty wounds, by the way, but well, this ended in tragedy. As I say, place again invokes misfortune. I think we need to be very careful about the people I' m going to investigate in these kinds of places. I say this because many times they are abandoned places places that are far away from absolutely everything, that are very careful, because there have been far more accidents than people imagine falling like this, and do not play with the ferreal track or play with absolutely none of this.

48:29 Then pass this boy' s grave, Christopher Kaiser' s. And well, that American station, which seems to be worth continually this station of Bostian Bridge, which seems to be continually what is making the tragedy look for Alejandro Bernal yes Juan and to contextualize to the listeners this stretch of Bostian Bridge, a rather elevated bridge, which was that epicenter of that tragedy that occurred in one thousand eight hundred ninety- one and that, as very well pointed out bad, in the last decades has been a great epicenter of search for anomalous activity by the ghost hunters juange and a spectral figure that has become practically paradoxical within the investigations is that of a man uniformed in costume of the nineteenth century and that has been sighted with a gold clock under the bridge where that tragedy occurred. This has been reported by several researchers, who have been in situ doing research and many have claimed not only them, but in locals to have appreciated this strange man in uniform with this gold watch that some attribute.

49:39 It could have been one of the workers on board this train who had this accident in one thousand eight hundred ninety- one. Curious is not the image we have of the ancients, of the former train reviewers. We have that picture of the guy with the clock and such stories stinging and stinging the bills in the sense that one of the advantages that the train had, plus in the good ones and still has the train is that it is tremendously accurate in the time can be much more accurate than the planes and than any other means of transport. So, well, this is funny, no, and I love the tour you' ve made loved by these ghost trains, which is a very peculiar thing, because we' re used to being talked about as a ghost boat and you imagine them, like that wandering Dutchman there at night, among the haze a few flashes of a boat beyond, but people imagined us as a ghost train and that sounds wonderful to me. And there' s more, because, for example, one in Stockholm, that this is no longer a train, it' s a subway and Alejandro Bernal I think that had been looked at well the story of the silver pilen truth is called that what exactly is used the pilen juelge to contextualize to the spectators a phantom train, this case, a train that is part of the metro tracks of Stockholm, of the capital of Sweden. But for this one has to give a context to the listeners. It turns out that about one thousand and sixty

51:10 - five, when a few hours of construction of lines were being carried out there on the Stockholm metro, an eight- car train, which was a very particular train, was acquired. Usually, trains that were part of the railway system, in this case Sweden, had been coated or adorned with a green paint that distinguished them. In fact, it was practically an emblem of the city of Estocolman back then and this train that started running with a kind of support train to be able to provide, in this case a help to the demand that these other lines had. For this train of aluminum color, greyish, quite rough compared to the other trains Juan Gemado and and today, and it turns out that this train, while functioning as a support train, passengers usually avoided using it, not only because it looked quite rustic and archaic compared to the other trains, but because it began to epicenter a series of stories of people who said that possibly this train would be cursed or would bring a misfortune began to become quite unpopular. And this coincided with the fact that in the year nineteen hundred and seventy- five a work of extension of the Stockholm metro was born, the lynch clim station was started to be built There

52:42 in this country And it turns out that, due to the reforms of hurbanization in Stockholm, this line was unfinished and then the stories of the silver catch this crude train, this train that did not correspond to that green painting, to that aesthetic used by the other trains of the Stockholm subway lines and this abandoned station, began to merge. And it turns out that from that moment, in the middle of the decade of the seventies last century, a significant number of inhabitants of Stockholm and, specifically in this area, very close to this station of Climlisch began to report that, precisely in this abandoned station they appreciated this strange greyish, crude or archaic train, that many people avoided boarding and began to emerge testimonies of people who were getting on that train and that, according to these testimonies, it was a train that did not stop, that they were continuous functioning and that, according to some of them would have their interior, some deceased. To the spirits of people who, perhaps on a tragic journey, could also have approached this silver catch and who might have perished in rather sinister circumstances. According to a Beng Clinberg researcher, this man was a great compiler, a half- martinez, but to the Swedes,

54:15 a man who collected information and in this case testimonies from people there in Stockholm. This man, in nineteen hundred and eighty- six, published a series of reports of people who had not only seen this silver Pillen at this Cliveleach station in Stockholm, but had also seen this mysterious grey train. With this rather rustic aspect, they had also appreciated it on other lines of the Stockholm metro. According to what this man Clinberg says, many people who had appreciated this silverpillen from the outside had observed such living dead spirits who would be aboard this ghost train. I would dare say that one of the most important in Europe. The certain game is that, officially the City of Stockholm decided to withdraw from the tracks this gray train, this silver catch in one thousand nine hundred ninety- six. However, after he had retired from service, a significant number of sightings of this ghost train continued to be present in Scandinavia.

55:34 How curious this is like a train that is marked from the beginning of what it was, that is, as people horrified it, they did not want to even climb and, above all, we have even ghost exactly because it is that it is crazy, because this not that starred either a terrines, terrible tragedies, as well as the previous ones and such history, but simply he, that poor was ugly is badly designed the coinciding with an abandoned station Juan Gestir. Then they merged both stories and well, I think it' s practically the creation of a sort of Urman legend. Or well you, namely, Mado Martina, what do you think of this story that you compiled in your book Mystery of the World, of the whistle They ask, then, the silve pilen I believe that it comes to be the Swedish version of the phantom Metro of Madrid or the phantom Transpelenio of Colombia Madrid, for example, few people are known that the station Tirso de Molina is built on the former monastery of la Merced. Say a bone tone monks buried there. He also has a story. That' s where a train comes up that sometimes so that if you get on it you don' t come back, such or the ghost TransMilenio here in Bogotá, they say that well, because they pick you up the station on Avenida Jiménez others say that not that for another area and such and that it is the Route sixty- six, a route that doesn' t even exist, that spends about two hours, past hours,

57:06 because it doesn' t exist, that there are hours. Not to see if it' s like this, because many people who aren' t from Colombia and don' t know it' s the TransMilenio tran. It ' s a very particular bus system here in Bogotá. Since we don' t have a subway yet you don' t have me. We' re gonna have no tongue telling me in parts of the next class. We won ' t be bad. I' ve seen you there, but it' s gonna be soon. Hey, there' s not a cina going through that the last few studies. Now, when the grace comes, little everything to do like Switzerland, this is going to be a thing. It' s amazing that we could do a program another day of this grace that they say is coming. But I see what I' m going to say that if the Tranmilenio system is going to the ball, then nothing, because some have left exclusive lanes to them that can' t enter the cars. And then, because they are faster buses than a conventional search of a city, well, faster, without you going to lose your hair in the TransMilenio either, but good, but faster it goes and that' s the system.

58:08 And I didn' t know there was a ghost TransMilenium anymore and people say that they see it on a route that doesn' t exist. Tell me about it, Alejandro, that I' ve lost my mind. Yes, well, Alejandro, you will also have heard that he is here urbanita of Bogotá all his life, true Alejandro yes beloved And it is that precisely I began to hear those stories, just as you related them to Jiménez Avenue to contextualize, as Juan Gen said very well after millennium, it usually works from Monday to Friday, from four or five in the morning to eleven in the evening normally and on weekends practically until ten. The truth is that it was said that this kind of phantom articulated bus would have been making stops at the station of Las Jiménez after eleven o' clock in the night, after the normal operating hours of the stations of this service, that it would have a number that would not correspond to the number in regular sealing of the buses that circulate through this urban transport service. And, as I said, beloved.

59:10 Some people who got on said that this bus has literally not been after stops, that is, you got on in the Jimenez began to make tours and practically did not stop at any moment. And this story, this kind of urban legend, began to become very popular in the last fifteen years. Fang Hey, but what a chévere It seems to me that these stories arise among the terrors of urban legends and it is like trying to give magic in mystery to the common elements that surround us every day, in the case of Bogotá, the tran Milenio, for example, in the case of Madrid, this station of tirso de Molina, how beautiful I, that is a station in which I have been humbled sometimes because I have a friend who lives right next door, then, because it is a very beautiful station, that has a decoration still tiles and such very old and that, well, I did not know that it was made from the remains of a cemetery of religious And such a story. It is said that a nun appears, that the truth that the station sees her and gives rise. And it is curious, besides that this kind of ghost thing the Avenida Jiménez, because it is not a very safe avenue at night and it is hilso of Molina, Madrid. The same sheath Alejandro hernan O is that on the Tirso de Molina station there is a story that seems fascinating to me and goes back to an apparent forbidden relationship, that would have had a nun, a clandestine relationship and this nun would have

1:00:43 been discovered by a girl, by a child. And to prevent this story from becoming known in Madrid. This nun and her then lover had thrown this girl on the train tracks, so that this station of tirso de Molina would have been not only cursed by this so accidental death of this infant, but that many people who frequent this station in Madrid claim to have seen the specter of a girl precisely in this station Juan, which also very similar to something that we related in the time when you and I did you are of mystery by the candlestick, a girl dressed in white in Las Jiménez and in much of the candelaria here in Bogotá. That' s very curious. What Alejandro Bernar just said when we were touring around here in the candelaria. The fact that so many testimonies have been collected that what they say is that they see a girl dressed in white, as if she were a ghost that repeatedly appears in the candelaria, which is the old town of Bogotá. Don' t ask me why, but that' s right. It' s a fact and I find it very curious, even if we don' t know how to explain it. I find it tremendously curious. I love urban legends.

1:01:59 For centuries we have not been talking about urban legends as well and I think they are necessary, because there are times when cities become gloomy places pers because we live so many millions of people and there are so many millions of people who feel alone that such stories, even terrifying ones, from my point of view, give souls to cities and it seems to me a wonderful thing. We' re gonna go on this ghost train ride around the world and now we' re gonna go. We' re going to go to Canada, to a ghost train called the Light of St Louis. And see if I can say the word of the place where this ghost train passes that then you laugh because I speak English, but remegamal that is Saskachihuam. I said perfect bad right. You know what happens in Saskachihua in Canada, because this goes beyond the legends of a boy. There is a strange phenomenon known among the locals, such as the light of St Louis, because it is really seen is that it is a very enigmatic luminescence, which meanders along the tracks of a railroad that no longer exist, that is, there was a railway, there were some railway tracks, but they are no longer there. However, you can see some lights winding along these ancient tracks. So some people know

1:03:30 it as the light of St Louis, but they think it' s like a ghost light of a spectral train, like a worm of light that is also changing colors, it varies from light to light, and long ago, there really was a line there that linked prin Saint Albert and Saint Louis, who stopped operating. But the lights, apparently, continue to appear so often, besides that even the mayor said seeing them is worth good exalcal the first Edil Emil Lucher, who also died in the year two thousand fifteen. He in the newspaper the Hua gazetilla in virtual Saschivan Saskachihuan. He said I don ' t believe much in these things. He did not start by saying, but that he was walking one day with his brother- in- law along the old road, when a red light appeared, following our footsteps and was so strong that it produced shadows, that is, that the light produced shadows.

1:04:32 Among the most popular legends, apart from that of the phantom train, stands out a sinister story of a drunk brake guard that the train would have run over beheading him and that ever since then I said that he wandered the tracks with a flashlight trying to find his head. And the funny thing is that the tenth- year Rounch students in the north of those Cachihuan did a job and also won a science award on this phenomenon for reproducing it. They came to the conclusion and said an experiment that the light was caused by a phenomenon of diffraction of the lights of cars circulating at a certain distance, which is a totally plausible explanation, only that, apparently, these lights have been seen since before coconuts began to circulate in this region. Of course you' re telling me. He was reminding me of so many cases that one day we should do a show about it. From what is called worldwide is called as popular lights, which are lights that appear wrapped in mystery in countless places, are of different sizes. Some have been investigated even on a scientific level, like the Hesdalem lights in the Scandinavian Peninsula others that are super mysterious like the lights, the lights my min in Australia, Here, in Patagonia, both Argentina and Chile have the famous bad light and there are cases also,

1:06:06 for example, in Spain. I was remembering a case from the beginning of the last century Ribera de Oveja, where there is even a dead man, a dead man for being near one of these lights. I remember once you interviewed a gentleman. That was a sighting in the province of Jaén, in Spain, a man who told me he was saying well, you call the omnio or whatever you want, but it was like a tennis ball. That was very small and if I moved forward, I don' t know what you are. I was very funny and I taught it that way very field and the guy told me that what I saw in a ball for such a ball but maybe it was, but we' re going for a few meters from me. He was moving from one side to the other. I don ' t know what. Then I don' t know why they show up, because they' re there. But there is a lot of casuistics worldwide, but it seems brutal to me. Alejandro Bernal wanted to comment on something, or also Colombia horrors related to strange lights that are seen in the fields, lights that come hours of the morning and that would have, because the purpose of aguanistics exactly represent huacas or even of scaring people who have a licentious life, drunkards, womenizers or people that we say do not behave well and observe these lights as a warning that they are doing something bad and about what I was commenting mado Juange decentren ghost of San Luis in Canada and this fact you will love. It turns out that Canada' s mail issued a series

1:07:38 of five postage stamps that show these ghosts or represent these phenomena that have been epicentered in this area of those that achihuan there in Canada. Juange and the truth the postage stamps are very nice, in case anyone wants to search them on the Internet. Interestingly enough, in this case, the Canada Railways Division, of Canada’ s mail, has given the opportunity to represent these kinds of stories through five postage stamps. How cool it is that the mystery of culture and mystery part of our history and there are mysteries that are as well documented and as such and perhaps, others are urban legends born of that collective unconsciousness that we all have and that is necessary to give soul to the things that surround us so that our world makes sense. The man without the magic.

1:08:26 It' s absolutely nothing a part of this that I love that the mystery of that culture shit seals and stuff because these kinds of stories are part of the memory and collective memory of peoples. And I was just thinking about popular lights. No psa. I go here on the hill of Aranda, which does not stop to become lights. Even a priest went up there to do an exorcism that is very funny. The lights kept showing up, they made a cross. Obviously, and it' s the place where I collect more testimonies from people who tell me to see identified flying object. Unidentified or never seen in my life is a super crazy thing and in our region of Colombia juange la candileja, this light that appears in the early hours of the morning in the eastern plains and as manifested in the interview that we had with Madu, that it is generally like the people who are drunk to those who have a disordered life and that often also represents the appearance, as you pointed out, of huacas, of treasures, hidden in this part of the geography of Colombia. Indeed, and all these, gentlemen, is part of our history and our culture. And we' re still here on mystery night, or we' re talking about different appearances of lights. By the way, that Alejandro Bernal passed me through Whatsapp, the stamps of Canada, of ghosts and stinks and of spectra seem to me a real wonder. Yes, gentlemen,

1:09:59 this is from our history. We were interviewing Amado Martínez and his interview continues ah Yes, listen we are going to finish this walk already on the ghost trains with one that seems to me also very curious, and this one is in Santiago de Chile, the ghost train of Maipú, and is that in a thousand nine hundred fifty six there was also a tremendous tragedy in a place that was called the true locksmiths Mado Martínez. Yes, to me, in this case it reminds me a lot of the tragedy of the camping of alphaques in Spain. It was also terrible to tell her In a second good, it was basically a truck carrying a truck carrying chemicals. I don' t know if sulfuric acid was such a thing. I don' t remember the chemical I was carrying anymore. Imagine a campsite, people bathing in a swamp, the truck falls into the swamp and the contact of water with that pro- autochemical causes the temperature to rise and people to boil alive. That was a terrifying thing, but terrifying is terrifying. Two hundred and forty- three dead, two hundred alphacs. Well, there was one brutal thing and, obviously, in these places where a tragedy has taken place. Well, he doesn' t have an interview with people who said he' d seen spectra on the outskirts, on the road that he went through at the alphaques

1:11:30 campsite. It reminds me a lot of this case of the Alphaques campsite, because it is the typical scarce also where a horrible tragedy has occurred, something, where there has been a lot of suffering that, then, leaves as a kind of footprint in the memory of those who remember or to remember people. It' s not like I was here. This is why no one ever forgets what happened here, and it is that in cerrillos, because an activión took place between the year one thousand nine hundred fifty- six in a commune, the sector of Santiago de Chile, and they say that since then, since that accident, the neighbors continue to listen to the servant of that train and, although they have lived with this spectral howl for decades, they still shudder some nights they say that they hear up to more than ten times this whistle of that spectral train the worst hour. Two o' clock in the morning, they say it' s the most commonly heard time. In fact, there are people on Twitter who, when it' s two o ' clock in the morning, say they just passed the train from Maipú, who have heard it, which is an invisible train, which advances along the rails, but is allowed to listen because it roars, because pita, because it howls. And well in memory remains that 14th of February, when the railroad headed for Cartagena, it crashed with another compo. I' m going

1:13:01 straight ahead, leaving a raison d'être of twenty- three dead. Many Chileans believe that the spirits of those who lost their lives in that accident are still wandering around. Or they expect to get to the place they never reached, to that spa, to that tourist destination they never reached. And so I say that reminds me a lot of the case of the Campiín de los Alfaques, which is a place that also hosted a horrible tragedy in Alcanar, in Tarragona, in Spain, and that good has left behind a trail of sightings of people who see people on the road, who are not, who look, who disappear, who are still like in that place as if time had stopped. I don' t think it' s tremendous when that kind of story happens. If that memory of the past becomes constant in many places, I was not remembering how we were talking about Chile many years ago, filming and reporting in Amberstone, which is a salitrera. I mean, let' s see, Chile has the particularity. I' m talking about me. I think this is like a couple of hours from the city of Iquique, to the north of Chile, to the north of Santiago de Chile and to the side of the Atacama desert, and there was a series of salitreras that were exploited by different multinationals. Two of the late 19th century were spoken at the beginning of the 20th century and slavery was reinvented in those salitreras,

1:14:35 because people lived there and paid them with food and clothing stamps. So they basically ate and dressed. But already and I was very shocked by the toys of the children, which were toys made with irons and cans, made little trains with cans of sardines, things like that shocked me very much. I was able to interview the last remaining inhabitants in Amberston. I don' t know whether they' re still there or not, and they told me countless stories, ghosts, ghost stories at the Amberstone Theatre. The curious thing like the British who carried this place, because they had tennis courts to play luxury houses such beside an absurd misery. And one of the things that hit me the most is when I' m interviewing people there, they call me Juan G the tragedy. There seems to be an eternal echo here, because the problem is that many of the people who died here buried him next to Amberston. But also salt then the salt with the changes of temperature bursts and pulls the coffins to the surface dude fuck and suddenly forty years later the tomb is blown by that of the salt to contract and dilate and pulls out the coffins, takes them out to the base uncle, with the bones and clothes

1:16:09 of the mortaja and with everything very crazy, as if they were places marked by the tragic. I mean, I, for one, wouldn' t like to sleep in Amberstone. I didn' t sleep and I wouldn' t want to sleep there for absolutely nothing. And it also makes us reflect on, unfortunately, as human nature, not as some are able to abuse others in a brutal way, that is, as humans are able to mistreat other human beings in such a beastly, absolutely beastly way. Today we are giving marked places, places like this, ghost trains. Another day we have to do a program about hotels, cursed hotels or marked hotels and not give time. But I do want us to comment on history, because it was so funny this afternoon that I was here taking a look at the mystery book of the beloved world and I said milk. But if in the chapter of the hotels has been taken the Bolívar Hotel in Lima, Peru, which at day ten is a hotel after star, which is a hotel that is made in the twenties of the last century and that was for decades the best hotel in Lima and where the high peak of Lima went. What' s more, where they say they invented a very famous cocktail that is the Pisco Sauer.

1:17:25 There are people who say it was invented there. I don' t know if it' s an Urman legend a reality, which is what you know about the Bolívar Hotel and why you included it in your book more And that one you know pretty well about The two of us have slept there? Did we both sleep there? Well, the Gran Hotel Bolívar in Peru is one of these hotels that I call hotels not to sleep. Okay. The truth is, we' re doing our job and it' s been a hundred years. It opened in nineteen hundred and twenty- four and it has been a hundred years just since that hotel was opened. And I can say that that hotel is as it was in the year nineteen hundred and twenty- four, because when you enter to the point Hotel Bolivar of Peru, you enter into a time machine, that is, if you want to know what it was like not to go to the Bolivar of Peru, a hundred years ago it is still the same phone, the same garbage cane, the same knob at the door. Everything is exactly the same as it really is the damaged lamps, the great dance halls. That' s where Backarner' s been, that' s where Hemingway' s been, that' s where Clark Gable' s been, that' s where the big president O' s been. Be impressive what this hotel has, because it has the peculiarity that, because on top of there is a plant that is closed, as you well know, you hold a fire that they say well, that is that it is cursed, that I do not know what others have, that is that the other is a cooperative that has a great debt and that there

1:18:57 is no money to repair that plant. The truth is that well, as you have been able to see also talking to workers, with me talking with buttons, with the receptionist. It' s a place where they say you feel a very heavy energy. There are people who do not want to go up to the roof when you pass that closed floor and look up the stairs because there is a cordon, because it is really disturbing, because you feel do. I was me, I went through that natural plant, of course, being cold one feels it all. It' s terrifying that plant and well, I can say that I don' t know if it' s because the hotel is old or not old. The TV went off on my own. I have to say it' s really so old that I didn ' t even know how the pull- out mechanism worked, that is.

1:19:42 I had to call the receptionist. I' ve never seen a mechanism to pull the chain as old as it was, and I' ve been to countries where it pulls off the chain of twenty- four thousand five hundred different forms. Okay, no, that' s a mechanism of the last century. I mean, imagine the green that happens. No, but it' s an experience sleeping there with ghosts or without ghosts. In case, I recommend everyone. I loved it. There are many legends around the hotel, the Bolívar Hotel. I was at the Bolívar Hotel for the first time in the year two thousand and five, almost twenty years ago. Holy and total uncle. It is the moment when the cooperative that is created from the workers stays with Hotel Bolívar for a series of non- payments and things. And just don' t ask me why. Perhaps because we were very exotic, a Spanish television group that we were going to make documentaries to La Selva and Machu Picchu. And so And and well, we had to spend a few days to have forty meetings with pro people in Peru. And, well, I think I liked the lady who was carrying the whole thing, the cooperative, the hotel manager. Let' s go and then with the pisco story, asaguer and chatting and so and so and I don' t know what.

1:20:58 We already commented and told him my companions no, but it is that John, who is an expert, a mystery, but how and how and how and I do not know what. Well, my niece' s coming this afternoon, and if you want at night, you do my research and I don' t know what. Blah, blah, blah, and well, I do, it' s true that I collected several testimonies, especially one that struck me a lot from a gentleman who told me that he in the dance room and a huge dance series clearly that is a hotel from the beginning of the century a huge dance room with a brutal spider lamp. He told me that ghostly music is heard there and that many people, including him, had seen or a woman in a white dress turning and moving as if she were alone dancing a waltz. That struck me. We went up that night with the filmmaker Javi Ruiz. A hug. If you hear this, the girl who was this lady' s niece who was the hotel manager and someone else lets us all go up for a walk all over the floor.

1:22:02 It is abandoned, which was really very gloomy, very mulugure, because if you walk through the Hotel Bolívar in the twenties there, since you are in the twenties but completely abandoned, then I remember that we recorded some psychophony. It was very curious, but what did manage us a lot is that we went through the place. We' re filming it, we' re going to see if we record psychophony, we' re going down to the room to see if we' re listening to psychophonies or not. And when I went up for the second time and I' m sure no one could have come up, someone had opened the tap of a bathtub and a huge stream of water was falling in the bathtub. We got into the room, we saw the jet. We could close it. And that did shock me, because no one could have done that, to be safe with us. I mean, no one could have done that, so that, for example, did shock me. I' ll never get it, I' ll never get it. We suggest ourselves a lot. And then when we did several interviews with Peruvian archaeologists at the Bolívar Hotel, then many times, well, many times I took pictures to see them framing and what I interviewed. And there' s one in a suite, because we ordered. They gave us a suite, as the lady was super hot, they gave us a huge

1:23:33 suite so we could ride that little film set. And in a photo that I threw behind the gentleman appears a huge white stain that was invisible and that appears in that photo and I had a super top digital camera at the time, I won' t say the mark, but I had a super top and there was no way to explain that white spot in the new photo. And they' re things that, well, they shocked me. I was pretty shocked. I don' t think it' s a hotel, unfortunately, it' s come to less where everything' s happened. Since I loved the bar, I loved drinking boys. The bar is a past uncle Alvar is a real wonder. Then, from love, drunken love, you horn all you want to these people who have taken their own lives. That ' s all been going on in a century. Well, the Bolívar Hotel, which was the crem de la cream of Lima, today is a place, a little, come less, but come on if I come back Lima, I wouldn' t mind sleeping at the Bolivar Hotel at all. I loved it I just don' t sleep this place, I' m not.

1:24:42 The Hotel de Olívar in Lima has come to less. It depends on the pocket, because it' s still worth making dollars at night or worth, so now I figured in dollars. I can' t afford it that much. I don' t know what' s good. It' s not a hotel, it' s a Hilton, it' s still a gil right now, I mean, I don' t know if it' s a Hilton, now it' s not Linton, it' s not still owned by the cooperative. I don' t think I know. I know it' s expensive. If it' s worth that caress well, it also depends on the room you ask for. There are several rooms. It' s just that I was with more people. I don' t think we ordered a triple room, but for me that place is a luxury.

1:25:25 I mean, I loved it, because it' s like sleeping in a museum, I mean, I wouldn' t stay anywhere else, that is, one. He' s got to be at the Gran Hotel Bolívar. In addition, this imposing façade is superbly located. That as you say, because what happened that has seen the cattle to liiva to the attacks of descending a luminous. Everything has seen the history of Peru there and is still standing with all its majesty in that square, in the center of Lima. It' s not an ideal place. I only love him if the gun square. I just want to tell people to go there one thing. Never take in more than three beaks, because in the room you start talking nonsense that you don' t. You can imagine how he gets that sheath drunk.

1:26:06 Jesus Christ, that is, I have a paranormal history with the pisco, but there they are very good at the truth. Or I have a real wonder. Beloved Martinez, tremendously happy to have you again on mystery night that was long ago many months ago, that we did not have you talking about this magnificent book of yours the train of souls of Panamericana Editorial. People out there from Colombia can acquire it through Amazon and also super recommended the book Mystery of the World. Travel to the center of the unusual Mado Martínez, which collects all these ghost stories, which I believe give soul to the city and give soul to hotels and trains, because life in the end is light and shadows. Life in the end is good things and such bad things.

1:27:00 And that makes our reality. And it is necessary that in life there is always a street, a sand, a light and a shadow, so that there is a nemesis, so that we can have a balance also in life. Dear Mado, my friend, thank you so much for your conclusion and your closure for all the people who are listening right now to mystery night. Well, my conclusion with all we' ve talked about tonight about trains, ghosts of places, is that there' s always a story behind all these stories, and that' s the one that' s really scary or the one that' s overwhelming. All these stories that we' ve told about ghosts of I don' t know what in the end, they' re the oral heritage of humanity and they' re part of the body and historical memory of all those places and all those regions and all those people. So, thank you for being here with you. I know that people who read the soul train are going to enjoy the journey. So I expect your comments to invite everyone to follow me on my social networks, on Twitter Mado Martínez, on Facebook, Mado Martínez, writer, on Instagram, Nebraskan with Bay with k Finished in n and on my YouTube channel, Mao Martínez, where I have a podcast entitled Antena mysteries that people can also hear, apart on YouTube, in Spotify or in Evox, where I also count many things and travel to many enchanted places to share it with all of you. My friend, little sister, a big hug and thank you very much. We see

1:28:30 each other in another program here in mystery night, a very big hug, hug that pleasure to make interview always Amado Martínez, and I remember this Souer peak in the hotel that I have drunk of having to make one day a program about the drinks that get drunk the most in the world. But we still have a few minutes left to keep talking about these spectra appearances and those places where they suddenly pierce the shadow. And today we have not talked about others of the icons of this type of appearance that are the enchanted lighthouses. If there is a very special one, which is that of Olbs Heat, not exactly John he Olshead in Maine, in the United States, for some experts, the most important enchanted lighthouse in the United States and the world, with a series of impressive legends and that, according to researchers and locals, would have the presence of two well- known spectra, a girl, a infant known as the lettle lady or the little infant who, according to the researchers and people who have had the opportunity to witness anumala activity in this lighthouse Maine, sudden low temperature, phenomena, polter gas strange noises, but attributed to this appearance of this Leaderlady Juange, a very special kind of energy, of a lot of peace, a comforting energy, not something terrifying, unlike

1:30:01 the other appearance, which would be the keeper of the lighthouse, the farer, which would be an appearance of a man who would be in an eternal cycle, it would seem to play with constant care of this lighthouse, even being on the other plane, condemned almost as if it were, or forcing him to always climb a stone that he would then have to come back, and fall away. And because the lighthouses I think also give rise to that kind of apparitions, because, as they are so lonely places in front of the sea, with all those that have the sea and its mystery. And this is a whole world econo and juang the brutal testimony of a woman named Dennis German. Turns out this woman was the wife of who, in the mid- eighties, was the caretaker of this lighthouse of Ouldhead. Her husband ' s name was Andy and she lived an absolutely amazing freak in this lighthouse.

1:30:58 Juanje counted tennis in the mid- eighties, on a night where she was certainly spending the night with her husband. Suddenly, she looked back at her bed because she thought her husband was sleeping with her. When he literally saw a print on the bed. It wasn' t her husband' s footprint, because her husband wasn' t there at the time, but had gone out to check some things out of the lighthouse and this footprint began to move alone in front of her. Danny German says he didn' t use substances, he was absolutely awake. But it says I' ve always had as a pretty strong mentality for this kind of thing. I just told that print, that shadow that was there, to leave me alone, to let me rest. But no less amazing is the version of this story Juange of Andy, Denis' husband. This man says that, when he went out to check some materials that were in the lighthouse, he sensed an extra whitish fog, a white shadow that passed under him and headed towards the fourth, where his wife was. The next morning, when they got up and wanted to exchange the stories, the two were amazed at how these two events coincided, two people who lived these events in different parts of the lighthouse, but who coincided on the night when all this had happened. I think it'

1:32:28 s funny. Not as that exact white Taint describes moving into his wife' s bedroom and then as his wife says there' s someone in the room, even that leaves a mark exactly on the bed Holy God, and there ' s some theory of why these things happen there or they don' t just happen to her. The theories that have been discussed over the years by George state that, possibly, as a beacon of the oldest in the United States, it may have been epicenter of tragic shipwreck accidents. In fact, there is another testimony that is also very striking, Juange, because they are literally gay polter events, quite obvious, quite physical. To the Gord a man who also had the opportunity to take care of this lighthouse in the late 1980s, says that, along with one of his relatives, he observed a pumpkin on Halloween turning on herself, without anyone having been interacting with this artifact.

1:33:29 And to further curl the curl, as you say in Spain, Juange also another of the legends that is spoken is that the daughter or one of the girls of one of the caretakers of this lighthouse used to comment that he was, or at least attributed and said to be playing with a very old man, with a captain and to be constantly talking to him. But the craziest thing about all this is that, in the midst of all this anomalous juange activity, the thermostat of this lighthouse seems to accommodate automates without anyone interacting with this artifact, as if a spirit, an energy or a moderate presence. In this case, the temperature inside this lighthouse is not crazy. And besides, that' s kind of super, super typical. In the phenomenon brought down abruptly from temperature, rosen rosen was measured in rosenham in Germany to a drop of eight degrees are only a second, as if that type of entity needed some kind of energy or something to be able to move and to be able to present itself in this plane of reality. Alejandro Bernal, friend, your conclusion and you close that we are already coming to the end of the program. I believe that it is self- evident and as this podcast, this program, plays that this kind of energies, this type of entities exist on that other plane those useful energies and on many occasions use certain places, sometimes marked by tragedy or other kind of places charged with a very special

1:35:00 energy, as a kind of bridge to communicate with us, to interact even on other planes. It seems to me that in this case, the docier that we developed with Mau was wonderful, an incredible research that is in his Mystery Book of the World and in his book Or in what inspired him to create his new novel, Juan Ge, so a wonder to be able to always share microphones with her and can follow me on Instagram on top of Lebernal Press and I just want to tell you one thing. Always look back at the shadows because in it I see something, something I don' t know what. It' s just, from time to time he wakes up and they have the ability to enter this world to torment us, I don' t know why. But I really believe that our planet, Earth, since time immemorial, is a place where there is a war between lights and shadows.

1:35:56 Always stick to the light, abandon, leave the sounds of light, a light that I desire to guide the path of all who are listening to this and never forget that we live in a magical world, because it is full of mystery