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Hello, everyone, as you are
there. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo.

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I am a journalist, writer and
director of the Mystery Night program on

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Caracol Radio. In the mid-
nineteenth century, an actor shot and killed

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the President of the United States of
America, Abraham Lincoln, something that shocked

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the whole country and, as it
could be no less, set up a

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special entourage to carry Lincoln' s
body. It was a special train with

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nine wagons. Lincoln' s body
was displayed in different cities and seen by

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millions of people. But this shock
seems to have been able to have an

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echo decades, even centuries later,
because thousands of witnesses say they have seen

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the ghost train of the Lincoln entourage
long after and it is so about a

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disturbing possibility, are the ghosts echoes
memories of the past, when one fact

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is able to shock several people or
many thousands. Well, if you want

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to know about this and much more, you don' t want to.

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The last mystery night podcast on Caracol
Radio ghosts the inhabitants of the afterlife.

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That night of May, one thousand
and fifty- one, Clara Villanueva wept

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dismayed at her home in Manila,
Philippines. What I had experienced was terrible

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and very difficult to tell. According
to her testimony, an invisible entity that

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she described as a man of small
stature with large eyes, attacked him I

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say invisible because he could not be
seen by other people near him. Only

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she saw it. Clara Villanueva,
crying in grief at home, decided to

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call the police. Philippine police came
to Clara Villanueva' s house and the

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officers who were there were shocked to
see again for the second time. How

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that invisible being attacked her again.
The police only witnessed the attack, but

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also saw bites appear in their arms
and legs from nowhere. I don'

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t know what' s beyond the
shadows, but there are times when that

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something beyond is capable of waking up
and becoming our worst nightmare. And the

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story of Clara Villanueva, unfortunately,
is not unique. In the year nineteen

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hundred and seventy- four, the
University of California also received the desperate call

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from Doris Beater, one of the
best psychiatrists in the United States how Warlone,

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to be exact, professor at the
University of California became interested in her

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case and it is that Doris Beater
was saying that also not a being,

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but invisible beings that only she could
see attacked her. In particular, he

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said that he was a very dark
man who could never see his face in

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the company of two other little ones
who grabbed her and among the three abused

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her and also, they hurt and
beat her. At first, the Psychiatrist

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Guarlon thought that what happened to Doris
was nothing more than a sleep disorder and

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a possible case of hysteria. But
it all began to twist and become more

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bizarre. When the psychiatrist sent a
team of investigators to Doris Beater' s

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house and stunned saw how. Suddenly, one night the lights of the house

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began to blink, the cupboards opened
themselves and Doris began to convulse, leaving

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his body marked with different wounds.
This led Howarlong to take her directly to

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the University of California to a laboratory
to investigate the dream, which happened a

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night of nine hundred and seventy-
four at the University of California went down

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in history. Doris was fully monitored
in a room, being observed by different

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investigators, many of whom were psychiatrists. Suddenly, according to the testimonies of

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those who were there, a series
of strange lights began to materialize around Doris

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Beater. At the same time as
those lights materialized one hand as invisible,

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he took it, grabbed it and
tossed it. After that terrible shaking.

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On Doris' back appeared scratches on
his chest, scratches on his thighs and,

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most strange and disturbing, when he
was as gripped by that spectral being,

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injuries to his vagina typical of a
sexual assault. The psychiatrists who were

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terrified in front of us took different
pictures. One of them is still in

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analysis, in the annal forgiveness of
parapsychology worldwide. You can search it on

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Google, or then we put it
on our social networks, where you will

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see an arc of light in around
ons to Doris Beater. The investigation of

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his case lasted eight weeks and this
type of attack was repeated. It was

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then that the writer Fran De Felita
appeared there and witnessed one of those historical

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attacks that struck him so much that
he pushed to write a novel that was

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called El Ente in the early eighties, a film that was called El Ente

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whose script made fran de Felita and
it is curious what I am going to

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tell him. The research team at
the University of California was so disheartened and

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not knowing what to do with what
was happening to Dorics Better, that they

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invited her to go well away from
California and she went to live in Texas.

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They made him several exorcisms and the
attacks never stopped. There is something

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beyond hidden in the shadows capable of
tormenting us and legends do not arise from

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nothingness. They have heard of the
succubus, the demons who from the afterlife,

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from the darkness, come out and
in the night during sleep attack women

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to sexually assault them. It is
something that is in countless cultures and that

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science, thanks to this research by
Howard Long, was able to prove as

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a proven fact. Even if we
don' t know what' s behind

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it. Boris Peter said he was
a very dark man that when he grabbed

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her he had claws and that two
smaller ones also with claws helped him to

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hold her. A terrible story that
was even reflected in a disturbing photograph that

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has decades. Beware of shadows because
one day you can wake up remember,

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you always win the light and stick
to it. It is that something beyond

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the darkness, that shadow capable of
tormenting us. We don' t know.

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However, he has been with us
since man was a man. My

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name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What
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And this is another mystery night show.

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And here what we do is mystery
journalism. We put the facts on the

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table and you decide what' s
behind it and not today a series of

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disturbing facts, because we' re
going to tell you about that darkness,

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which is beyond the shadows. What
do you think of Doris Beater' s

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story? Then the story passed through
the novel as Carla Morán his real name,

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I repeat Doris Beater. You know
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Three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com I
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com and we start now without further
delay. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend,

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how are you doing very well that
a greeting for you, also for all

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those who consume this content through the
podcast that we publish on the YouTube channel

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of Caracol Radio today a program full
of cases of ghost trains Juan gne casuística

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quite interesting in the field of abnormal
phenomena and with an exception guest, a

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great friend of the two, Mado
Martínez, a great researcher. Yes,

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we' ll talk about ghost theatre. We will also talk, for example,

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about some ghost hotel and even a
ghost lighthouse if it doesn' t

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give us time, because we go
a little bit fair, just in time,

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and the interview with the writer and
our little sister, Amado Martínez,

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starts so where they end up and
where the limits of reality begin, a

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reality that often becomes disturbing, because
it is as if all of a sudden

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other dimensions penetrate this one and can
be counted not by thousands, I would

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say even by millions. The amount
of testimony he comments from people who comment

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that they have seen spectral beings and
not only spectral beings also known as ghosts,

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but even trains that seem to emerge
from that disturbing. Beyond that and

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the one she has published lately there
was a novel in which she speaks to

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us from fiction, from a story, from stories that are based on reality,

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from our friend and sister Mado Martínez, who has just released with Pan

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Americana Editorial a novel called The Train
of the Almamado Martínez, What' s

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there. How are you, friend, so happy to be here with you

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Juan Hey, with Alejandro Bernal and
all these listeners. Very, very happy

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to be here. How do I
tell you to write a novel in which

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a ghost train appears, for an
obsession. He tells you a session,

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I mean, I started chasing the
idea of a ghost train, a supernatural

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train, and it was an image
that I had inside my head. That

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' s what happens to all my
novels. I don' t mean this,

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but like I' m telling you. He was chasing me He looked

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at me. It was an obsession
and it made me anxious to have that

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in my head and not sit.
I mean, I had to sort of

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look for moments to sit down and
write that story, because I was starting,

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like, to come as characters,
like whispers. I write a novel,

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I always feel like some kind of
medium, like giving voice to those

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characters who eventually write themselves. And, well, that' s how this

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story came up from a group of
childhood friends who haven' t seen each

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other for a lot of years and
decide to meet in the old abandoned station

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of their village. More than anything, to fulfill the whim of barbara,

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which is as if I was not
waiting, was Alejandro, who is the

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one who goes crazy the normal group
for fulfilling the whim. And so they

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go there they' re drinking beer, broking, catching up. And what

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happens is that at the edge of
midnight he appears on the enigmatic train and

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they climb. And the interesting thing
is what starts aboard that train because they

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can' t get off. They
don' t go up and they can

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' t go down. But they
on board that train feel, then,

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that they can be those who have
never wanted who they could never have been.

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He' s kind of a wonderful
lamp genius. They feel very good

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in there, that is, they
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but, at the same time,
it is a kind of mirror that

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reflects their own monster and they will
not be able to come down unless they

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overcome the ghosts of their own mind. They have to resolve the conflicts,

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the debts they have between them.
From childhood we see how the whole history

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of all those days, debts and
secrets they have between them, with the

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collective history of their people schools,
which is a place where it seems like

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nothing ever happens, but everything is
happening. No. I' ve been

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from town and I always say that
small town, big hell, no,

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and it' s a broken-
child story that we all carry inside.

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It' s an intimate psychological terror, very emotional. You' ll spread

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guns. Listen, why is it? I had an obsession with terror issues

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Look at you We, Alejandro Bernallillo, here don' t practically ever make

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terror issues. And, well,
I admit I caught some mania from them.

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After investigating, I don' t
know how many scenes. Well,

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I' d say hundreds of cases
of polter Gate and I caught him a

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little laziness. I took a little
laziness in the sense of saying that I

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understand that the mystery is to show
people a magical world. And now,

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with my author travel agency and I' m going to Egypt and such a

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story that from time to time I
still like terror. I am not going

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to say that I suddenly hate it, that I have become a radical against

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terror and such, but it is
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I said uy, because I talk
about omnis other issues and they raze in

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digital and terror is not bad.
I' ll tell you what' s

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wrong, but I said well,
because I recognize him I caught him like

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a little bit of a laziness.
But You are this book the train of

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souls, which I don' t
know what kind of audience you' ve

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thought of and for all audiences.
It' s a little more youthful book.

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But it is that You have made
the best book that has been made

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of paranormal phenomena in recent years,
which is another one I have here than

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in Mysteries of the World with B
editions. By the way, these two

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books of yours, both the train
of souls and mysteries of the world,

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can be obtained by Amazon for people
living outside Colombia. Yes, of course,

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in fact, the mysteries of the
world are in Pengwin of the United

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States, that is, it is
in the chains of World Mart Warehouses.

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You, who have so much public
in the United States is easier to get

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in the United States than in Spain. The world is in Colombia, in

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the United States, in Spain will
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if Compenwin, not by the hand
of another publisher or if we will put

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it directly for sale on Amazon and
the train of souls is in editions at

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the fall of the group to Naya
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Panamericana, exactly for the people who
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Sure, maybe life' s easy. And what you' re telling

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us about the terror issues, the
truth is none of my horror novels in

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quotes. I always say already a
fantastic genre is of terror to use i

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e, it is not like scream, it is not a slasher, it

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is not of effect, it is
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psychological terror, very intimate and emotional
in the Holy, equal in the Curse,

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anyway, in all my novels.
Why, because in the end this

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is about how one gets off the
wagon of his own mind, from that

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goes to the train of souls,
how one gets off the wagon of that

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properly and the broken child that we
carry inside. It really doesn' t

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matter if we' re forty years
old, forty- five years old,

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fifty years old, fifty- five
years old, we' re still carrying

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a broken child inside. We never
stopped growing up. It is a continuous

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process of things that we have to
heal, of traumas, of traumas,

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of blames of fears and of that
to this story, in a supernatural three,

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what a great thing we all have
in our childhood. I think things

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that marked us and things that really
hurt us and traumas and fears and terrors

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and I think that' s normal. Okay, I think that' s

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normal and that you' ve made
a novel that addresses that and how you

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can leave those issues behind and how
we' re all submerged from time to

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time in stories that scare us,
that there are characters that are crucial to

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me in terror, like Stephen King. Not Stephen King that I left Stephen

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King because I always get a bad
fuck when I get to the end of

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the books, because everyone ends up
in a terrifying way and you don'

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t expect it. So I'
m already pissed off that I said I

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don' t read about Stephen King
anymore, but I remind you of a

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novel of his called a curse,
which I thought was one thing, but

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really brilliant. And we all have
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we' ve researched these kinds of
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some history. Whenever she says milk, she really exists beyond that. I,

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for example, see that I was
in the United States, and he

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goes next door to Annity Bill'
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this kid like Ronald de Feo murders
and ends up with the lives of his

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family members and no one hears the
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So face down in bed. It
just doesn' t make sense. No

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one was ever able to explain anything
like that. Or I remember so many

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nights I' ve been researching different
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look at that Alejandro Bernaldo got it
back, a fourth millennium program.

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I remembered it because it was one
thing that struck him very much in the

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abandoned tuberculosis hospital of Granada' s
Alfaguara that ruled Berta Wihelmi. I think

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it was called c effectively doing trying
to get psychophony out suddenly and of course,

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so you have to go asking questions
in case that answers with its coherence

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to what you' re asking that
someone didn' t know how to think

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that psychophonies are more than just a
meaningless echo, but that they would really

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echo from the hereafter. And I
ask what you see from the other side,

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and there' s a voice that
says to you you know that I

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ran out of there yeah, well, please, let' s see the

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fables, a little sawmill that'
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an abandoned tuberculous hospital. I think
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that nothing happened to you there,
because it turns out that, apart from

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passing an impressive cold, because in
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you can not be already second highest
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mean, it' s cold,
you' re cold, you' re

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cold, we' re wearing two
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know how many herseys. We didn' t even feel our fingers. It

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took us a long time to find
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easy to find it. We were
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well we arrived after many works,
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Cervantes, after many works, we
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recording company, better said, more
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to explore the area, we lit
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because it is that we were really
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that we started to do the recording
tests that if there is someone here that

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if I don' t know what, that if I don' t know,

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how much. But this in a
place as remote as you can imagine

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people have said it. Ayá on
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range of Faguarra, where it is
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that there was Cristina Candela, a
Malaga journalist, and there was my friend

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Xavi, there was Maria and there
was another guy. And I remember Christina

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and I were sitting in front of
each other, and we were asking those

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questions that, by the way,
I think we pulled out some psychophony,

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one that said our name, our
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but I hear it, uh,
it' s not that serious. We

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recorded a psychophony, which I heard
a scream and said nothing is worth it.

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I' m freaking out, but
I' m not saying anything It

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' s okay because I didn'
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also thought maybe I imagined it,
you know, and Cristina says, you

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heard that and everyone else didn'
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we panicked about these unexplained irrationals that
didn' t. But of course I

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was saying if I say now,
after everything we' ve had a hard

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time getting here, we' re
getting out of here, they' re

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going to throw themselves at me because
they' re going to say it.

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But if we just got here and
I say and I come up with an

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excuse, you know and I say
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a lot in the fog. This
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then we' re not gonna see
anything. We' d better not go

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now. I don' t know
what and all of a sudden I thought

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everyone was gonna tell me right now, but if we just got here,

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you know they say everything, but
let' s go and start everybody picking

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up all Hostia. But we panached, I mean, but one thing,

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but I didn' t look,
I said, but what' s going

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on here, what' s going
on, picks everybody up there already,

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but as if they were the soul
in it and we' re running away,

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but running, and my friend Cristina
looked back and everything and I was

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saying, but as if they were
already chasing us a super weird thing,

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not there, but kennel, because
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and in this kind of places,
well, apart from that human psychology influences

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a lot. It is suddenly milk
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I remember in that sanatorium of the
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Granada, in Spain, it is
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sent the tuberculosis so that they did
not spread and died and from there they

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did not leave. I mean,
it' s a tremendous place, a

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terrifying story, apart from living it
out of that psychophony, that there'

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s on the other side someone telling
me to you with a voice that we

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don' t know where it came
from. I remember an experience I had

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of something I had never lived in
life, which is one thing they call

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zero silence. There was wind,
the branches were moving and suddenly I would

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turn like this in the sanatorium and
I would stay in a square and there

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would be nothing to hear and say
but it doesn' t make sense,

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which is how it is that you
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know, that would be one thing
It' s really, really crazy.

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And then, well, I think
it' s still playing to be grown

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- ups when we go to that
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to terrorize us because it terrifies us
the unknown and looks back a while ago

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in hiding, behind the shadow on
the YouTube channel that I' ve also

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interviewed Michelangelo sure that he is a
person who has done a lot of research

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for Spain. Not about this and
he told me a sentence that the truth

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that made me reflect told me juange
what is in those places, what remains

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are always demons and it is as
if they feed on our energy, our

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terror, our emotions, what is
happening and so and it was a phrase

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that made me like reflect, because
there are times that I have also perceived

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as that, not as I hear
I have been careful, has been careful

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with this. I' m superstitious. You know that. Besides, I

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do, I' ve always been
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It' s okay because I haven' t trusted certain things and because I

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really believe the battle forgives. The
Earth has been a battlefield between lights and

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shadows for thousands of years. So
I have a lot of respect for that

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guy from him I have a lot
of respect for that kind of thing,

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and someday I don' t close
the door to re- investigate some gay

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porter phenomenon or. Something' s
good, but I' ve had fun.

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I think all the people we get
into mystery journalism, because we'

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ve ever done that kind of research. I just did a lot of it.

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I did a lot and it was
a lot of nights and I think

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it' s also a personal evolution
to say good, because I think it

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' s a stage that I went
through and that it burned And now it

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' s my turn, because other
different ones, because they are stages of

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life. And now it' s
our turn to make radio and other completely

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different stories. And we' re
still here on mystery night. We were

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interviewing writer Amado Martínez about her research
in different parts of the world and the

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interview continues ah Yes, today,
called why a train and not a hotel

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or a ship or a spaceship,
because look there is everything, but as

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this born an obsession in which I
did not stop imagining that train a supernatural

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phantom king train. Okay. I
think the train is one of the most

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romantic and at the same time most
disturbing means of transport in history, because

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look a lot at your journey.
They even have place inside the chierra on

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underground journeys, not through Tunnels as
if it swallowed you. And it'

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s one thing that when you think
about it, because when the first train

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arrived to the Peninsula at the Barcelona
station, can frank that that went thirty

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kilometers per hour, but people thought
it was a demonic egendro, because it

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was a thing made of Armatostes,
that exhaled smoke and made noises, and

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it was like that was alive and
they said that good. There were articles

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published in Lance magazine, which is
the most prestigious medical magazine that said that

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pregnant women could abort if they subscribed
to a pren you could move your brain

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and that that was dangerous. And
besides that they greased it with baby fat

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the sajamantecs killed children to grease the
machinery and there were boycotts and destroyed what

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was built at night, because that
was a drama. Suddenly arriving from Barcelona

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they killed in just a few minutes
playing before what was leaving were cars and

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tartanas, because of course it was
a brutal thing. But because of all

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those travel stories, you liked Adolfo
E, who was the great poet writer

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who also made those railway chronicles and
all those ghost train stories that inspired me.

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Although I also collected during years of
research, it is that the train

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of souls arises that beautiful. I
love the train. I love to travel

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by train. It seems to me
the most comfortable way to travel. The

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fact that you can get up to
a bar a restaurant inside the train and

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have a beer or bite is very
comfortable. You can go working with the

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computer, that is I have missed
that here, in Colombia, there are

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no more trains. We do not
have very good few railways, no less

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not yet, that is to say
like pauperrima or very jo I hope already

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infrastructures that recover them, because Colombia
also had its past. Yes, Alexander

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Nente that in Lady there was an
age. Yes, it' s about

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what you' re talking about,
which gives me a lot of nostalgia especially

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for my grandfather' s generation and
previous ones who got to see the train

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tracks running here in Colombia. This
is to contextualize people who are from outside

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the country. Unfortunately, Colombia does
not currently have a developed railway infrastructure.

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There are simply a few routes that
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actually passenger train, except for a
tourist train. Here, on the savannah

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of Bogotá, which is a fairly
short journey. At the country level,

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there is no developed infrastructure and this
is regrettable. And hopefully, not only

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this government, but the next ones
will pay more attention to this type of

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transport. Yeah, that would be
great. Yeah, I think there was

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a train even to Bogotá, to
Santa Marta. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?

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Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? You
also have to tell people that you

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don' t listen outside of Colombia, that I' m a lot more,

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I' m a majority. Here
too there are people who Colombia is

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one of the most orographically orographically more
complex countries in the world. Okay,

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because here the Andes mountain range is
divided into three plus the amount of jungle

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we have. I mean, in
Colombian. It' s easy to make

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train tracks, roads or absolutely my
airport. It' s just that they

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tell it to the grass airport whoever' s capable of landing. He'

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s already graduating there. Yeah,
this is a pretty particular country. Yeah,

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it' s pretty particular. But, hopefully, I fully support what

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Alejandro Bernal said I hope, this
government and the next ones will really promote

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the train again. I' d
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Train would have been beautiful. It
would be wonderful to get to.

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I think there was a train coming
from Bogotá to Santa Marta and stuff like

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that. I think that would fascinate
me. But, let' s keep

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dreaming that it' s still free
Listen to one of the stories that inspired

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you for this book, for the
train of souls, and that I keep

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the microphone and that pulls out of
your other book, the mystery book of

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the world. It is a story
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of the ghost train of Abraham Lincoln, who was President of the United States,

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who was shot on the fourteenth of
April of the year one thousand eight

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hundred and sixty- five, dying
on the fifteenth of April of one thousand

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eight hundred and sixty- five,
it has to be said that Lincoln was

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in a theater, at the Ford
Theatre, and that one of the actors,

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John willist Bot, shoots a jar
in his head and spends a few

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hours and the next day is a
terrible agony. Lincoln dies and what I

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didn' t know I read in
your book, I didn' t know

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this story. The truth is that
Lincoln is made to say the strangest and

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most railway funeral procession in history,
because they walk Lincoln' s body about

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two weeks more than two thousand kilometers
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many cities and that' s crazy. This is one of the most fascinating

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and bizarre stories I' ve ever
researched in my life. Che Al Lincoln,

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who already dismissed a strange character for
his wife was medium because they did

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spiritualism sessions to try to contact his
deceased son, his son Will who had

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also come to predict even his own
death. I mean, Lincoln' s

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is brutal and one of the most
beloved Presidents of the United States, loving

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you and beloved of history, they
murder him and the American people join a

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duel in a mourning that begins on
April 18th, one thousand eight hundred and

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sixty- five, which is when
they put Lincoln on a train that they

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had also created for him, as
if it were the Air Force One of

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the trains had not come to the
premiere and the Minister of Defense had taken

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over that train. By the way, along with the remains of his son

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Willy, who exhumed him, he
is worth putting on that train on a

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literal ice bed on an ice bed, with all the soldiers of the Union

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army dressed in blue, with all
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Of course, to start a journey
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twelve major cities and four hundred communities, the Minister of Defense ordered to print

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leaflets with schedules and everything goes for
when the train passes through his village.

409
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.639
Okay and every time they took it
to one of these twelve major cities,

410
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:45.519
they showed it in open taúd it' s okay that the thing smelled.

411
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:49.199
I' m telling you, they
had to embalm him twice, because this

412
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:53.880
lasted two weeks, two weeks,
and of course, this left an imprint

413
00:34:53.960 --> 00:35:00.039
on the brutal American historical memory.
This rail route, this one we go

414
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.760
the rolling burning chapel. Of course, you have to think of that train,

415
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.199
as you have said loved ones too, which was like lail foss One,

416
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.280
like the plane. It was a
train that had been thought of by

417
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:14.719
the super safe and super special president. And such are new nine vabons,

418
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:19.559
which would be a spectacular thing that
journey a couple of weeks of two thousand

419
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.719
and a peak kilometers. And there' s a bad fact in his book

420
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.480
that left me in shock, that
it' s estimated that over nine million

421
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:30.480
people physically saw the coffin and poor
Lincoln already rotting and people on top of

422
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.679
the coffin. It' s one
thing, yeah, don' t look.

423
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.519
If on the 21st of April,
at his stop in Harrisburg, there

424
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:45.280
was a terrible torrential rain that forced
to suspend the funeral procession and there were

425
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:47.480
so many altercations of all the people
who wanted to see him. I'

426
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:52.280
m talking about hundreds of thousands of
people who didn' t have a way,

427
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:57.199
that is, there was no way
to stop the Easts from being that,

428
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:02.119
or rain or anything. This was
then. This left such a strong

429
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:09.400
imprint in the historical memory of the
Americans that from that moment, at that

430
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.360
time, it is said that on
April 27th, at Albany station, which

431
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.880
is where this funeral procession and railway
rolling began, the Lincoln train appears and

432
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.280
many people go to Pukips, to
the Pukips station to see if it is

433
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:25.280
true, as happens a little to
the protagonists of my novel, the train

434
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:29.039
of the Souls, who will see
if it is true that the train of

435
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:30.519
the Souls of their people appears legends, because the people go to the station

436
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:35.039
of Hipokipsi, to see if it
appears the Lincoln Train, which says that

437
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:39.400
it appears, therefore, on a
black robe, covering the rails with the

438
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:45.679
soldiers of the Union army, in
their blue uniforms, guarding and flanking that

439
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:52.199
railway train, that when the Lincoln
Train passes, if all clocks stop,

440
00:36:52.280 --> 00:37:00.159
that does not work again until it
has left. This is the Lincoln Train

441
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.400
story and it' s very curious. Not because there' s press clippings.

442
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:12.719
You have a cut of companies from
the Albany Evening Times newspaper of nineteen

443
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:17.679
hundred and seventy- eight, where
they comment on how people go to the

444
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.159
place, to this station in Albany, to see if they can see the

445
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.960
train on the 27th of April and
who comment on people who appeared the train

446
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.079
as with a kind of two black
crespons, one on either side, people

447
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:36.440
who commented that they looked like spectral
figures of the Union soldiers, others who

448
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:42.840
listened like a whistle or even a
very light hearsay of the background. And

449
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:46.280
I do believe that when I'
ve researched all this ghost stuff and so

450
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:53.960
that there are like moments I don' t know why where the limits of

451
00:37:54.079 --> 00:38:02.199
reality fall and suddenly they can plant. They can appear as echoes of the

452
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.360
past, as things that could happen
and so and suddenly see it for one

453
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.639
or two seconds, but they can
be seen and that seems super curious to

454
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:19.440
me, especially the fact that they
marked so many billion people and where a

455
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:24.639
tremendous emotionality turned. I' m
a story that the truth I didn'

456
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.480
t know. I' d love
to see that train, even if my

457
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:34.639
watch stops for a few minutes And, well, I think it' s

458
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.440
funny, not because there' s
a part of me that says well,

459
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:45.159
because this is a fact that impacted
American civil society so much, that it

460
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:50.960
' s that they murdered a man
who is the one who ends the American

461
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.880
civil war also in the American civil
war, but that' s the one

462
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:57.159
who signs so that people of color
can live in freedom in the United States.

463
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.159
A person who for many will be
very dear, by others very hated

464
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:06.079
and who but, after all,
if it was a tremendous shock, then

465
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.880
I know to what extent an urban
legend is so that that memory never goes

466
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:15.199
away or maybe, someone really saw
something as if that train wanted to be

467
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:21.639
eternal reminding the Americans. Watch out
and beware that even if you are the

468
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.079
most powerful nation in the world,
there may also be civil wars here and

469
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:28.280
they fixed what happened on the Capitol
a couple of years ago. Alejandro bernal

470
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.719
Ok is that, in fact,
about what you are talking about and this

471
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:37.360
case so amazing that it told us
wrong a few moments ago, there is

472
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.840
a report from the Witchi Ta Herald
newspaper of the city of Wichitan, Kansas,

473
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:49.119
an article that was published in one
thousand eight hundred seventy- nine and

474
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:54.800
that gathers the testimony of a man
who claimed to have seen this ghost train

475
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.599
where Abraham Lincoln' s body was
located. This man commented that on the

476
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:02.480
night of the twenty- fourth of
April of one thousand eight hundred and sixty

477
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:08.920
- six, he heard the noise
of a locomotive very different from the usual

478
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:17.440
sound made by the trains that he
expected and suddenly appreciated a train that had

479
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.360
some banderitas and even reached to see
some soldiers. This man says that it

480
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:28.760
was a very vivid vision, something
very real and that later, when he

481
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.440
found out about a man who could
not read, it must be borne in

482
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:35.760
mind that in the nineteenth century there
was a lot of illiteracy, even in

483
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:40.559
the United States. When he later
learned of this journey they made with the

484
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:47.559
body of Abraham Lincoln, this man
immediately attributed this strange appearance of this train

485
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:52.920
in Wichita, Kansas in the 19th
century, with the train that would have

486
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:58.960
taken the body of this President of
the United States, murdered Jorge Curious,

487
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:06.599
not to say for different parts of
the country. It' s funny and

488
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:12.039
good I already tell you for me
when there is fact that they mark so

489
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.440
much population and in this case,
a tragic fact, a fact, a

490
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.239
lucid fact. I do believe that
those echoes of the past can remain and

491
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:23.519
things like this can happen in any
way. It' s not the only

492
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:30.760
ghost train story he' s picked
up, much less, because tragic story

493
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:37.400
of the ghost train of Bostiam Bridge, that this was an accident that there

494
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:43.039
was on August 27th of a thousand
eight hundred and ninety- one, one

495
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.400
on a train leaving the station of
Stattleville, in North Carolina, in the

496
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.840
United States, and that nothing that
just a couple of kilometers or three leaves

497
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:58.679
the station by a bridge passing a
river, the train falls and there are

498
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:02.119
many people who make the fall or
that were eighteen meters. Others also die

499
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:12.199
from drowning, so that twenty-
three people die. And this story struck

500
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:19.119
me a lot when I was reading
it, not just because there are witnesses

501
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:23.480
to that train, even a curious
one who lost his life trying to see

502
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:30.000
that train. How is that story
of this Bostian Bridge train, because for

503
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:34.480
me this is the Titanic of trains, because it was a real tragedy,

504
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.159
that is, it was late and
for trying to recover lost time, it

505
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.599
went up to the speed that you
already see sixty- five kilometers now.

506
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:52.719
But he did it on a deadly
stretch, which was that bridge, which

507
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.119
became a death trap and look.
If this five- car was terrible,

508
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.920
this thirty- five wagons that I
found standing on top of others imagine falling

509
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:07.440
these wagons there like some on top
of other machacándos had to call even the

510
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:14.679
soldiers of the penitentiary to help in
the rescue of what that was and held

511
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:19.239
to the second horror. Those who
had not died in the accident died drowning

512
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:28.039
as the wagons slowly sank. So, well, we have testimonies, but

513
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.400
as well as a movie of a
mother holding on to her daughter until she

514
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:36.199
couldn' t do it anymore and
I don' t know what she really

515
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:38.039
means to be a real, real
horrible traya, horrible horror, horrifying.

516
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:45.679
A year after this fateful event,
coinciding just with the anniversary of the accident,

517
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.960
and a group of people who were
walking along those very tracks, heard

518
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:54.480
an instruction. Then, looking at
the place of origin, they saw a

519
00:43:54.480 --> 00:44:00.159
man dressed as a railroad operator asking
them the time while staring at his pocket

520
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:07.559
watch and saying that well, it
seems that for a few moments they ignored

521
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.760
him because they looked up at the
bridge, which was what had happened,

522
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.559
the destroying that they had heard and
when they turned again, this man was

523
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:22.679
no longer there. I mean,
they heard a rumble like there was an

524
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:28.239
accident and they saw this man asking
her now looking at her chain clock.

525
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.239
They say that this man was actually
the ghost of the former baggage chief,

526
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.320
uh Lindster, who had been decorated
with a gold watch for thanking him for

527
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:44.119
all his years of service. Thirty
years in the service of the railway company

528
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:49.360
and some of the survivors also remembered
seeing him looking at the time clock with

529
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.960
gestures, as well as in amazement, as if he were wrong, not

530
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.360
before, just before the accident.
And this was the first legend that arose

531
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.719
around the Bostian Bridge, which was
not the only one and was accumulating more

532
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:06.599
misfortune, as I say as if
the place invoked misfortune. In a thousand

533
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.679
nine hundred forty- one twenty-
seven August, fifty years after the accident,

534
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:16.960
say, another anniversary, is worth
nothing. A woman was in her

535
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.360
car sitting there waiting for her husband
to come back to change the wheel of

536
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:27.960
the car because she had ruined it
and as she waits for it she sees

537
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:34.360
it coming out of nowhere a train
hears it the papor listens to the requests

538
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.280
of the locomotive, the rumble,
that is, the whole fall. He

539
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.559
sees a mass of that he sees
the scene, he sees everything, he

540
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:45.599
sees people uttering laments, he sees
all despair, everything lives everything in a

541
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:51.159
few moments. Or a car parked
next to yours. It was her husband

542
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.480
who was accompanying her with the owner
of good, with the mechanic who were

543
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.679
going to help her. And so, it combines them to go out and

544
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:02.400
see all that I' ve seen
when they arrive in absolutely nothing. She

545
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:08.400
entered as in a loop She had
seen that tragedy again repeated and then clear

546
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:15.039
from all these sightings, for the
legend of the ghost train of the Bostian

547
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:20.320
Bridche begins to become cumbersome and arises
around this phenomenon, like that of the

548
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.679
Lincoln train, for a series of
ghost hunters who try to go there always

549
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:29.280
in August and celebrating that anniversary,
to see if it is true that this

550
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.039
ghost train appears? What is it, because one of these ghost hunters,

551
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.239
to Christopherre Keyser, twenty- nine, who was from Charlotte, went with

552
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:43.719
a group of friends up there one
night to see if it was true that

553
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.639
the ghost train appeared. They get
there, they go into what is the

554
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:53.199
passage, the bridge, the railway
bridge and the railway bridge and, yes,

555
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.480
a train arrives. Well, they
hear a train, because they see

556
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.920
the lights, but it wasn'
t a ghost train. Echoes of the

557
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:07.840
past that occasionally wake up people who
are terrified, because they are able to

558
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:16.800
see what happened decades ago and here
we are on mystery night we were interviewing

559
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:23.760
Amado Martínez about ghost trains and the
interview continues ah Yes, it was a

560
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:28.400
real train and it was coming towards
them. And the worst of all is

561
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.880
that they were on a bridge,
on a bridge that they couldn' t

562
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:37.079
escape, and then they start running
in the opposite direction to run away from

563
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:45.400
that train that was going right towards
them, and nothing that they didn'

564
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:46.679
t die practically all alone. She' s some girl who was in front

565
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:53.320
of Christopher, who he pushed her, pushed her to save her, and

566
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:59.239
she was left with some pretty wounds, by the way, but well,

567
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:05.039
this ended in tragedy. As I
say, place again invokes misfortune. I

568
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.719
think we need to be very careful
about the people I' m going to

569
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.639
investigate in these kinds of places.
I say this because many times they are

570
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:16.519
abandoned places places that are far away
from absolutely everything, that are very careful,

571
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:23.199
because there have been far more accidents
than people imagine falling like this,

572
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:29.480
and do not play with the ferreal
track or play with absolutely none of this.

573
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.039
Then pass this boy' s grave, Christopher Kaiser' s. And

574
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:38.920
well, that American station, which
seems to be worth continually this station of

575
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:43.760
Bostian Bridge, which seems to be
continually what is making the tragedy look for

576
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:49.960
Alejandro Bernal yes Juan and to contextualize
to the listeners this stretch of Bostian Bridge,

577
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.440
a rather elevated bridge, which was
that epicenter of that tragedy that occurred

578
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:58.039
in one thousand eight hundred ninety-
one and that, as very well pointed

579
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:02.880
out bad, in the last decades
has been a great epicenter of search for

580
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:12.000
anomalous activity by the ghost hunters juange
and a spectral figure that has become practically

581
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:17.639
paradoxical within the investigations is that of
a man uniformed in costume of the nineteenth

582
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:23.360
century and that has been sighted with
a gold clock under the bridge where that

583
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.679
tragedy occurred. This has been reported
by several researchers, who have been in

584
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:34.639
situ doing research and many have claimed
not only them, but in locals to

585
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:39.159
have appreciated this strange man in uniform
with this gold watch that some attribute.

586
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:44.760
It could have been one of the
workers on board this train who had this

587
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:50.079
accident in one thousand eight hundred ninety- one. Curious is not the image

588
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:57.440
we have of the ancients, of
the former train reviewers. We have that

589
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:00.880
picture of the guy with the clock
and such stories stinging and stinging the bills

590
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.719
in the sense that one of the
advantages that the train had, plus in

591
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:09.920
the good ones and still has the
train is that it is tremendously accurate in

592
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:15.280
the time can be much more accurate
than the planes and than any other means

593
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:21.280
of transport. So, well,
this is funny, no, and I

594
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:24.360
love the tour you' ve made
loved by these ghost trains, which is

595
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:29.719
a very peculiar thing, because we' re used to being talked about as

596
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:35.239
a ghost boat and you imagine them, like that wandering Dutchman there at night,

597
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:37.960
among the haze a few flashes of
a boat beyond, but people imagined

598
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:43.719
us as a ghost train and that
sounds wonderful to me. And there'

599
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:45.519
s more, because, for example, one in Stockholm, that this is

600
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:50.079
no longer a train, it'
s a subway and Alejandro Bernal I think

601
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:54.480
that had been looked at well the
story of the silver pilen truth is called

602
00:50:54.639 --> 00:51:00.920
that what exactly is used the pilen
juelge to contextualize to the spectators a phantom

603
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:04.079
train, this case, a train
that is part of the metro tracks of

604
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.199
Stockholm, of the capital of Sweden. But for this one has to give

605
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:10.159
a context to the listeners. It
turns out that about one thousand and sixty

606
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:16.440
- five, when a few hours
of construction of lines were being carried out

607
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:22.679
there on the Stockholm metro, an
eight- car train, which was a

608
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.480
very particular train, was acquired.
Usually, trains that were part of the

609
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:32.159
railway system, in this case Sweden, had been coated or adorned with a

610
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.960
green paint that distinguished them. In
fact, it was practically an emblem of

611
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.920
the city of Estocolman back then and
this train that started running with a kind

612
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:49.400
of support train to be able to
provide, in this case a help to

613
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.679
the demand that these other lines had. For this train of aluminum color,

614
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:59.599
greyish, quite rough compared to the
other trains Juan Gemado and and today,

615
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:05.079
and it turns out that this train, while functioning as a support train,

616
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:10.320
passengers usually avoided using it, not
only because it looked quite rustic and archaic

617
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:16.400
compared to the other trains, but
because it began to epicenter a series of

618
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:23.000
stories of people who said that possibly
this train would be cursed or would bring

619
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:30.119
a misfortune began to become quite unpopular. And this coincided with the fact that

620
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:36.920
in the year nineteen hundred and seventy- five a work of extension of the

621
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:42.119
Stockholm metro was born, the lynch
clim station was started to be built There

622
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:47.280
in this country And it turns out
that, due to the reforms of hurbanization

623
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:53.039
in Stockholm, this line was unfinished
and then the stories of the silver catch

624
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:58.960
this crude train, this train that
did not correspond to that green painting,

625
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:05.400
to that aesthetic used by the other
trains of the Stockholm subway lines and this

626
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.159
abandoned station, began to merge.
And it turns out that from that moment,

627
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:12.039
in the middle of the decade of
the seventies last century, a significant

628
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:17.440
number of inhabitants of Stockholm and,
specifically in this area, very close to

629
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:23.800
this station of Climlisch began to report
that, precisely in this abandoned station they

630
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:31.679
appreciated this strange greyish, crude or
archaic train, that many people avoided boarding

631
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:39.559
and began to emerge testimonies of people
who were getting on that train and that,

632
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:45.440
according to these testimonies, it was
a train that did not stop,

633
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:52.599
that they were continuous functioning and that, according to some of them would have

634
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:58.159
their interior, some deceased. To
the spirits of people who, perhaps on

635
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:04.159
a tragic journey, could also have
approached this silver catch and who might have

636
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:10.400
perished in rather sinister circumstances. According
to a Beng Clinberg researcher, this man

637
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:15.360
was a great compiler, a half- martinez, but to the Swedes,

638
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:21.719
a man who collected information and in
this case testimonies from people there in Stockholm.

639
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:27.079
This man, in nineteen hundred and
eighty- six, published a series

640
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:34.519
of reports of people who had not
only seen this silver Pillen at this Cliveleach

641
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:42.239
station in Stockholm, but had also
seen this mysterious grey train. With this

642
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:49.559
rather rustic aspect, they had also
appreciated it on other lines of the Stockholm

643
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:53.239
metro. According to what this man
Clinberg says, many people who had appreciated

644
00:54:53.559 --> 00:55:00.199
this silverpillen from the outside had observed
such living dead spirits who would be aboard

645
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:08.360
this ghost train. I would dare
say that one of the most important in

646
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:15.840
Europe. The certain game is that, officially the City of Stockholm decided to

647
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:21.360
withdraw from the tracks this gray train, this silver catch in one thousand nine

648
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.480
hundred ninety- six. However,
after he had retired from service, a

649
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:32.400
significant number of sightings of this ghost
train continued to be present in Scandinavia.

650
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:37.880
How curious this is like a train
that is marked from the beginning of what

651
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.159
it was, that is, as
people horrified it, they did not want

652
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:45.239
to even climb and, above all, we have even ghost exactly because it

653
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:51.000
is that it is crazy, because
this not that starred either a terrines,

654
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.000
terrible tragedies, as well as the
previous ones and such history, but simply

655
00:55:55.159 --> 00:56:01.840
he, that poor was ugly is
badly designed the coinciding with an abandoned station

656
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:06.360
Juan Gestir. Then they merged both
stories and well, I think it'

657
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.159
s practically the creation of a sort
of Urman legend. Or well you,

658
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:13.760
namely, Mado Martina, what do
you think of this story that you compiled

659
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.000
in your book Mystery of the World, of the whistle They ask, then,

660
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:27.639
the silve pilen I believe that it
comes to be the Swedish version of

661
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:31.400
the phantom Metro of Madrid or the
phantom Transpelenio of Colombia Madrid, for example,

662
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:36.800
few people are known that the station
Tirso de Molina is built on the

663
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.239
former monastery of la Merced. Say
a bone tone monks buried there. He

664
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:44.280
also has a story. That'
s where a train comes up that sometimes

665
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:47.360
so that if you get on it
you don' t come back, such

666
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.159
or the ghost TransMilenio here in Bogotá, they say that well, because they

667
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:57.039
pick you up the station on Avenida
Jiménez others say that not that for another

668
00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:00.760
area and such and that it is
the Route sixty- six, a route

669
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:06.400
that doesn' t even exist,
that spends about two hours, past hours,

670
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:07.159
because it doesn' t exist,
that there are hours. Not to

671
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.639
see if it' s like this, because many people who aren' t

672
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:13.480
from Colombia and don' t know
it' s the TransMilenio tran. It

673
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.679
' s a very particular bus system
here in Bogotá. Since we don'

674
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:23.280
t have a subway yet you don' t have me. We' re

675
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:30.159
gonna have no tongue telling me in
parts of the next class. We won

676
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.800
' t be bad. I'
ve seen you there, but it'

677
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:36.400
s gonna be soon. Hey,
there' s not a cina going through

678
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.559
that the last few studies. Now, when the grace comes, little everything

679
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.679
to do like Switzerland, this is
going to be a thing. It'

680
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.639
s amazing that we could do a
program another day of this grace that they

681
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:47.599
say is coming. But I see
what I' m going to say that

682
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:52.159
if the Tranmilenio system is going to
the ball, then nothing, because some

683
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:57.159
have left exclusive lanes to them that
can' t enter the cars. And

684
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:01.079
then, because they are faster buses
than a conventional search of a city,

685
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:05.000
well, faster, without you going
to lose your hair in the TransMilenio either,

686
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.719
but good, but faster it goes
and that' s the system.

687
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.960
And I didn' t know there
was a ghost TransMilenium anymore and people say

688
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:14.519
that they see it on a route
that doesn' t exist. Tell me

689
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:16.320
about it, Alejandro, that I' ve lost my mind. Yes,

690
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:21.679
well, Alejandro, you will also
have heard that he is here urbanita of

691
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:25.679
Bogotá all his life, true Alejandro
yes beloved And it is that precisely I

692
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:31.679
began to hear those stories, just
as you related them to Jiménez Avenue to

693
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:36.760
contextualize, as Juan Gen said very
well after millennium, it usually works from

694
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.639
Monday to Friday, from four or
five in the morning to eleven in the

695
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:45.639
evening normally and on weekends practically until
ten. The truth is that it was

696
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:52.519
said that this kind of phantom articulated
bus would have been making stops at the

697
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:57.679
station of Las Jiménez after eleven o' clock in the night, after the

698
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:01.519
normal operating hours of the stations of
this service, that it would have a

699
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:07.000
number that would not correspond to the
number in regular sealing of the buses that

700
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.199
circulate through this urban transport service.
And, as I said, beloved.

701
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:15.440
Some people who got on said that
this bus has literally not been after stops,

702
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:21.400
that is, you got on in
the Jimenez began to make tours and

703
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:23.960
practically did not stop at any moment. And this story, this kind of

704
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:29.199
urban legend, began to become very
popular in the last fifteen years. Fang

705
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:34.639
Hey, but what a chévere It
seems to me that these stories arise among

706
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:40.519
the terrors of urban legends and it
is like trying to give magic in mystery

707
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.679
to the common elements that surround us
every day, in the case of Bogotá,

708
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.639
the tran Milenio, for example,
in the case of Madrid, this

709
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.079
station of tirso de Molina, how
beautiful I, that is a station in

710
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:53.480
which I have been humbled sometimes because
I have a friend who lives right next

711
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:59.840
door, then, because it is
a very beautiful station, that has a

712
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.639
decoration still tiles and such very old
and that, well, I did not

713
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:10.039
know that it was made from the
remains of a cemetery of religious And such

714
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:12.960
a story. It is said that
a nun appears, that the truth that

715
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:15.639
the station sees her and gives rise. And it is curious, besides that

716
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:20.239
this kind of ghost thing the Avenida
Jiménez, because it is not a very

717
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.239
safe avenue at night and it is
hilso of Molina, Madrid. The same

718
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:28.840
sheath Alejandro hernan O is that on
the Tirso de Molina station there is a

719
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:36.119
story that seems fascinating to me and
goes back to an apparent forbidden relationship,

720
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:43.280
that would have had a nun,
a clandestine relationship and this nun would have

721
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.320
been discovered by a girl, by
a child. And to prevent this story

722
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:54.159
from becoming known in Madrid. This
nun and her then lover had thrown this

723
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:59.159
girl on the train tracks, so
that this station of tirso de Molina would

724
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:06.519
have been not only cursed by this
so accidental death of this infant, but

725
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:13.159
that many people who frequent this station
in Madrid claim to have seen the specter

726
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:17.880
of a girl precisely in this station
Juan, which also very similar to something

727
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:21.960
that we related in the time when
you and I did you are of mystery

728
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:25.360
by the candlestick, a girl dressed
in white in Las Jiménez and in much

729
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:30.119
of the candelaria here in Bogotá.
That' s very curious. What Alejandro

730
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:34.679
Bernar just said when we were touring
around here in the candelaria. The fact

731
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.199
that so many testimonies have been collected
that what they say is that they see

732
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:42.679
a girl dressed in white, as
if she were a ghost that repeatedly appears

733
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.920
in the candelaria, which is the
old town of Bogotá. Don' t

734
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.679
ask me why, but that'
s right. It' s a fact

735
01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:52.360
and I find it very curious,
even if we don' t know how

736
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:58.559
to explain it. I find it
tremendously curious. I love urban legends.

737
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:04.000
For centuries we have not been talking
about urban legends as well and I think

738
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:09.679
they are necessary, because there are
times when cities become gloomy places pers because

739
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:15.280
we live so many millions of people
and there are so many millions of people

740
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:20.239
who feel alone that such stories,
even terrifying ones, from my point of

741
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:23.840
view, give souls to cities and
it seems to me a wonderful thing.

742
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:30.559
We' re gonna go on this
ghost train ride around the world and now

743
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:34.039
we' re gonna go. We' re going to go to Canada,

744
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:38.159
to a ghost train called the Light
of St Louis. And see if I

745
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:43.400
can say the word of the place
where this ghost train passes that then you

746
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:50.920
laugh because I speak English, but
remegamal that is Saskachihuam. I said perfect

747
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:54.960
bad right. You know what happens
in Saskachihua in Canada, because this goes

748
01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:02.199
beyond the legends of a boy.
There is a strange phenomenon known among the

749
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:07.719
locals, such as the light of
St Louis, because it is really seen

750
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:14.440
is that it is a very enigmatic
luminescence, which meanders along the tracks of

751
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:19.800
a railroad that no longer exist,
that is, there was a railway,

752
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:22.920
there were some railway tracks, but
they are no longer there. However,

753
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:30.840
you can see some lights winding along
these ancient tracks. So some people know

754
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:37.800
it as the light of St Louis, but they think it' s like

755
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:42.320
a ghost light of a spectral train, like a worm of light that is

756
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.039
also changing colors, it varies from
light to light, and long ago,

757
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:51.320
there really was a line there that
linked prin Saint Albert and Saint Louis,

758
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:58.360
who stopped operating. But the lights, apparently, continue to appear so often,

759
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.599
besides that even the mayor said seeing
them is worth good exalcal the first

760
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:08.679
Edil Emil Lucher, who also died
in the year two thousand fifteen. He

761
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:16.480
in the newspaper the Hua gazetilla in
virtual Saschivan Saskachihuan. He said I don

762
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:18.880
' t believe much in these things. He did not start by saying,

763
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:23.880
but that he was walking one day
with his brother- in- law along

764
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:29.639
the old road, when a red
light appeared, following our footsteps and was

765
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:31.719
so strong that it produced shadows,
that is, that the light produced shadows.

766
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:36.079
Among the most popular legends, apart
from that of the phantom train,

767
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:43.360
stands out a sinister story of a
drunk brake guard that the train would have

768
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:47.840
run over beheading him and that ever
since then I said that he wandered the

769
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:53.480
tracks with a flashlight trying to find
his head. And the funny thing is

770
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:59.400
that the tenth- year Rounch students
in the north of those Cachihuan did a

771
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:05.920
job and also won a science award
on this phenomenon for reproducing it. They

772
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:11.400
came to the conclusion and said an
experiment that the light was caused by a

773
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:15.280
phenomenon of diffraction of the lights of
cars circulating at a certain distance, which

774
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:19.320
is a totally plausible explanation, only
that, apparently, these lights have been

775
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:28.079
seen since before coconuts began to circulate
in this region. Of course you'

776
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:31.079
re telling me. He was reminding
me of so many cases that one day

777
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.199
we should do a show about it. From what is called worldwide is called

778
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:41.400
as popular lights, which are lights
that appear wrapped in mystery in countless places,

779
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:47.559
are of different sizes. Some have
been investigated even on a scientific level,

780
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:55.079
like the Hesdalem lights in the Scandinavian
Peninsula others that are super mysterious like

781
01:05:55.159 --> 01:06:00.239
the lights, the lights my min
in Australia, Here, in Patagonia,

782
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:06.599
both Argentina and Chile have the famous
bad light and there are cases also,

783
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:12.039
for example, in Spain. I
was remembering a case from the beginning of

784
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.800
the last century Ribera de Oveja,
where there is even a dead man,

785
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.000
a dead man for being near one
of these lights. I remember once you

786
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:24.840
interviewed a gentleman. That was a
sighting in the province of Jaén, in

787
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:28.400
Spain, a man who told me
he was saying well, you call the

788
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.199
omnio or whatever you want, but
it was like a tennis ball. That

789
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:33.440
was very small and if I moved
forward, I don' t know what

790
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:36.360
you are. I was very funny
and I taught it that way very field

791
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:40.559
and the guy told me that what
I saw in a ball for such a

792
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:43.599
ball but maybe it was, but
we' re going for a few meters

793
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:45.400
from me. He was moving from
one side to the other. I don

794
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.599
' t know what. Then I
don' t know why they show up,

795
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:53.159
because they' re there. But
there is a lot of casuistics worldwide,

796
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:59.199
but it seems brutal to me.
Alejandro Bernal wanted to comment on something,

797
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:04.559
or also Colombia horrors related to strange
lights that are seen in the fields,

798
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:10.320
lights that come hours of the morning
and that would have, because the

799
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:16.719
purpose of aguanistics exactly represent huacas or
even of scaring people who have a licentious

800
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:23.320
life, drunkards, womenizers or people
that we say do not behave well and

801
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:27.320
observe these lights as a warning that
they are doing something bad and about what

802
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:31.039
I was commenting mado Juange decentren ghost
of San Luis in Canada and this fact

803
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:36.840
you will love. It turns out
that Canada' s mail issued a series

804
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:45.039
of five postage stamps that show these
ghosts or represent these phenomena that have been

805
01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:47.719
epicentered in this area of those that
achihuan there in Canada. Juange and the

806
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:51.880
truth the postage stamps are very nice, in case anyone wants to search them

807
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:57.719
on the Internet. Interestingly enough,
in this case, the Canada Railways Division,

808
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:02.320
of Canada’ s mail, has
given the opportunity to represent these kinds

809
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:06.679
of stories through five postage stamps.
How cool it is that the mystery of

810
01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:11.920
culture and mystery part of our history
and there are mysteries that are as well

811
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:15.720
documented and as such and perhaps,
others are urban legends born of that collective

812
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.720
unconsciousness that we all have and that
is necessary to give soul to the things

813
01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:26.319
that surround us so that our world
makes sense. The man without the magic.

814
01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:31.520
It' s absolutely nothing a part
of this that I love that the

815
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:36.119
mystery of that culture shit seals and
stuff because these kinds of stories are part

816
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:44.399
of the memory and collective memory of
peoples. And I was just thinking about

817
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:47.720
popular lights. No psa. I
go here on the hill of Aranda,

818
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.880
which does not stop to become lights. Even a priest went up there to

819
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:57.079
do an exorcism that is very funny. The lights kept showing up, they

820
01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:00.960
made a cross. Obviously, and
it' s the place where I collect

821
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:03.920
more testimonies from people who tell me
to see identified flying object. Unidentified or

822
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:10.359
never seen in my life is a
super crazy thing and in our region of

823
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:14.680
Colombia juange la candileja, this light
that appears in the early hours of the

824
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:18.680
morning in the eastern plains and as
manifested in the interview that we had with

825
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:23.720
Madu, that it is generally like
the people who are drunk to those who

826
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:28.600
have a disordered life and that often
also represents the appearance, as you pointed

827
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:30.680
out, of huacas, of treasures, hidden in this part of the geography

828
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:36.000
of Colombia. Indeed, and all
these, gentlemen, is part of our

829
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:45.239
history and our culture. And we' re still here on mystery night,

830
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.239
or we' re talking about different
appearances of lights. By the way,

831
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:55.279
that Alejandro Bernal passed me through Whatsapp, the stamps of Canada, of ghosts

832
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.520
and stinks and of spectra seem to
me a real wonder. Yes, gentlemen,

833
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:04.800
this is from our history. We
were interviewing Amado Martínez and his interview

834
01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:11.800
continues ah Yes, listen we are
going to finish this walk already on the

835
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:15.840
ghost trains with one that seems to
me also very curious, and this one

836
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:19.520
is in Santiago de Chile, the
ghost train of Maipú, and is that

837
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:26.560
in a thousand nine hundred fifty six
there was also a tremendous tragedy in a

838
01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:28.720
place that was called the true locksmiths
Mado Martínez. Yes, to me,

839
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:32.319
in this case it reminds me a
lot of the tragedy of the camping of

840
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:39.720
alphaques in Spain. It was also
terrible to tell her In a second good,

841
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:44.159
it was basically a truck carrying a
truck carrying chemicals. I don'

842
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:46.199
t know if sulfuric acid was such
a thing. I don' t remember

843
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:50.439
the chemical I was carrying anymore.
Imagine a campsite, people bathing in a

844
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:59.640
swamp, the truck falls into the
swamp and the contact of water with that

845
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:04.840
pro- autochemical causes the temperature to
rise and people to boil alive. That

846
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:11.239
was a terrifying thing, but terrifying
is terrifying. Two hundred and forty-

847
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:15.159
three dead, two hundred alphacs.
Well, there was one brutal thing and,

848
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:21.439
obviously, in these places where a
tragedy has taken place. Well,

849
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:27.840
he doesn' t have an interview
with people who said he' d seen

850
01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.479
spectra on the outskirts, on the
road that he went through at the alphaques

851
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:34.920
campsite. It reminds me a lot
of this case of the Alphaques campsite,

852
01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:40.720
because it is the typical scarce also
where a horrible tragedy has occurred, something,

853
01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:45.840
where there has been a lot of
suffering that, then, leaves as

854
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:51.119
a kind of footprint in the memory
of those who remember or to remember people.

855
01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:55.000
It' s not like I was
here. This is why no one

856
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:59.239
ever forgets what happened here, and
it is that in cerrillos, because an

857
01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:03.159
activión took place between the year one
thousand nine hundred fifty- six in a

858
01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:09.640
commune, the sector of Santiago de
Chile, and they say that since then,

859
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:14.640
since that accident, the neighbors continue
to listen to the servant of that

860
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:21.319
train and, although they have lived
with this spectral howl for decades, they

861
01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:29.079
still shudder some nights they say that
they hear up to more than ten times

862
01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:30.800
this whistle of that spectral train the
worst hour. Two o' clock in

863
01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:34.920
the morning, they say it'
s the most commonly heard time. In

864
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:40.600
fact, there are people on Twitter
who, when it' s two o

865
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:45.319
' clock in the morning, say
they just passed the train from Maipú,

866
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:48.000
who have heard it, which is
an invisible train, which advances along the

867
01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:50.680
rails, but is allowed to listen
because it roars, because pita, because

868
01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:57.199
it howls. And well in memory
remains that 14th of February, when the

869
01:12:57.279 --> 01:13:01.039
railroad headed for Cartagena, it crashed
with another compo. I' m going

870
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:02.960
straight ahead, leaving a raison d'être of twenty- three dead.

871
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:10.800
Many Chileans believe that the spirits of
those who lost their lives in that accident

872
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:17.399
are still wandering around. Or they
expect to get to the place they never

873
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:20.840
reached, to that spa, to
that tourist destination they never reached. And

874
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:26.000
so I say that reminds me a
lot of the case of the Campiín de

875
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.319
los Alfaques, which is a place
that also hosted a horrible tragedy in Alcanar,

876
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:34.439
in Tarragona, in Spain, and
that good has left behind a trail

877
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:41.560
of sightings of people who see people
on the road, who are not,

878
01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:46.119
who look, who disappear, who
are still like in that place as if

879
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:50.760
time had stopped. I don'
t think it' s tremendous when that

880
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:56.279
kind of story happens. If that
memory of the past becomes constant in many

881
01:13:56.399 --> 01:14:00.039
places, I was not remembering how
we were talking about Chile many years ago,

882
01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:06.399
filming and reporting in Amberstone, which
is a salitrera. I mean,

883
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:10.800
let' s see, Chile has
the particularity. I' m talking about

884
01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:13.039
me. I think this is like
a couple of hours from the city of

885
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:16.079
Iquique, to the north of Chile, to the north of Santiago de Chile

886
01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:21.960
and to the side of the Atacama
desert, and there was a series of

887
01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:27.119
salitreras that were exploited by different multinationals. Two of the late 19th century were

888
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:34.560
spoken at the beginning of the 20th
century and slavery was reinvented in those salitreras,

889
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:42.159
because people lived there and paid them
with food and clothing stamps. So

890
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:51.960
they basically ate and dressed. But
already and I was very shocked by the

891
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:58.439
toys of the children, which were
toys made with irons and cans, made

892
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:01.439
little trains with cans of sardines,
things like that shocked me very much.

893
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:06.039
I was able to interview the last
remaining inhabitants in Amberston. I don'

894
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:12.319
t know whether they' re still
there or not, and they told me

895
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:16.560
countless stories, ghosts, ghost stories
at the Amberstone Theatre. The curious thing

896
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:24.520
like the British who carried this place, because they had tennis courts to play

897
01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:29.800
luxury houses such beside an absurd misery. And one of the things that hit

898
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:35.720
me the most is when I'
m interviewing people there, they call me

899
01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:40.279
Juan G the tragedy. There seems
to be an eternal echo here, because

900
01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:44.800
the problem is that many of the
people who died here buried him next to

901
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:50.319
Amberston. But also salt then the
salt with the changes of temperature bursts and

902
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:57.600
pulls the coffins to the surface dude
fuck and suddenly forty years later the tomb

903
01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:02.199
is blown by that of the salt
to contract and dilate and pulls out the

904
01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:08.520
coffins, takes them out to the
base uncle, with the bones and clothes

905
01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:14.279
of the mortaja and with everything very
crazy, as if they were places marked

906
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:17.319
by the tragic. I mean,
I, for one, wouldn' t

907
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:21.399
like to sleep in Amberstone. I
didn' t sleep and I wouldn'

908
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:27.000
t want to sleep there for absolutely
nothing. And it also makes us reflect

909
01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:31.000
on, unfortunately, as human nature, not as some are able to abuse

910
01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:35.479
others in a brutal way, that
is, as humans are able to mistreat

911
01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:45.880
other human beings in such a beastly, absolutely beastly way. Today we are

912
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:50.680
giving marked places, places like this, ghost trains. Another day we have

913
01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:56.079
to do a program about hotels,
cursed hotels or marked hotels and not give

914
01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:58.520
time. But I do want us
to comment on history, because it was

915
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:01.039
so funny this afternoon that I was
here taking a look at the mystery book

916
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:03.920
of the beloved world and I said
milk. But if in the chapter of

917
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:11.119
the hotels has been taken the Bolívar
Hotel in Lima, Peru, which at

918
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:14.159
day ten is a hotel after star, which is a hotel that is made

919
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:16.760
in the twenties of the last century
and that was for decades the best hotel

920
01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:20.680
in Lima and where the high peak
of Lima went. What' s more,

921
01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:25.680
where they say they invented a very
famous cocktail that is the Pisco Sauer.

922
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.000
There are people who say it was
invented there. I don' t

923
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:30.600
know if it' s an Urman
legend a reality, which is what you

924
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.680
know about the Bolívar Hotel and why
you included it in your book more And

925
01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:38.319
that one you know pretty well about
The two of us have slept there?

926
01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.720
Did we both sleep there? Well, the Gran Hotel Bolívar in Peru is

927
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:49.880
one of these hotels that I call
hotels not to sleep. Okay. The

928
01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:53.640
truth is, we' re doing
our job and it' s been a

929
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:56.760
hundred years. It opened in nineteen
hundred and twenty- four and it has

930
01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:00.159
been a hundred years just since that
hotel was opened. And I can say

931
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:04.000
that that hotel is as it was
in the year nineteen hundred and twenty-

932
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:09.079
four, because when you enter to
the point Hotel Bolivar of Peru, you

933
01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:11.880
enter into a time machine, that
is, if you want to know what

934
01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:16.960
it was like not to go to
the Bolivar of Peru, a hundred years

935
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:20.399
ago it is still the same phone, the same garbage cane, the same

936
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:26.880
knob at the door. Everything is
exactly the same as it really is the

937
01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:30.159
damaged lamps, the great dance halls. That' s where Backarner' s

938
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:32.439
been, that' s where Hemingway' s been, that' s where

939
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:33.640
Clark Gable' s been, that' s where the big president O'

940
01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:39.479
s been. Be impressive what this
hotel has, because it has the peculiarity

941
01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:45.760
that, because on top of there
is a plant that is closed, as

942
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:48.000
you well know, you hold a
fire that they say well, that is

943
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:50.079
that it is cursed, that I
do not know what others have, that

944
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:57.000
is that the other is a cooperative
that has a great debt and that there

945
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.039
is no money to repair that plant. The truth is that well, as

946
01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:03.000
you have been able to see also
talking to workers, with me talking with

947
01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:06.239
buttons, with the receptionist. It' s a place where they say you

948
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:10.560
feel a very heavy energy. There
are people who do not want to go

949
01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:15.920
up to the roof when you pass
that closed floor and look up the stairs

950
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:20.319
because there is a cordon, because
it is really disturbing, because you feel

951
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:23.479
do. I was me, I
went through that natural plant, of course,

952
01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:30.960
being cold one feels it all.
It' s terrifying that plant and

953
01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:33.039
well, I can say that I
don' t know if it' s

954
01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:35.239
because the hotel is old or not
old. The TV went off on my

955
01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:38.880
own. I have to say it' s really so old that I didn

956
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:42.279
' t even know how the pull- out mechanism worked, that is.

957
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.840
I had to call the receptionist.
I' ve never seen a mechanism to

958
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:49.800
pull the chain as old as it
was, and I' ve been to

959
01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:54.840
countries where it pulls off the chain
of twenty- four thousand five hundred different

960
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:58.239
forms. Okay, no, that' s a mechanism of the last century.

961
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.920
I mean, imagine the green that
happens. No, but it'

962
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:08.319
s an experience sleeping there with ghosts
or without ghosts. In case, I

963
01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:11.880
recommend everyone. I loved it.
There are many legends around the hotel,

964
01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:15.279
the Bolívar Hotel. I was at
the Bolívar Hotel for the first time in

965
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:19.720
the year two thousand and five,
almost twenty years ago. Holy and total

966
01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:24.960
uncle. It is the moment when
the cooperative that is created from the workers

967
01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:30.479
stays with Hotel Bolívar for a series
of non- payments and things. And

968
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:33.000
just don' t ask me why. Perhaps because we were very exotic,

969
01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:39.439
a Spanish television group that we were
going to make documentaries to La Selva and

970
01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:43.239
Machu Picchu. And so And and
well, we had to spend a few

971
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:47.640
days to have forty meetings with pro
people in Peru. And, well,

972
01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:51.359
I think I liked the lady who
was carrying the whole thing, the cooperative,

973
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:56.520
the hotel manager. Let' s
go and then with the pisco story,

974
01:20:56.720 --> 01:20:58.199
asaguer and chatting and so and so
and I don' t know what.

975
01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:01.479
We already commented and told him my
companions no, but it is that

976
01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:03.880
John, who is an expert,
a mystery, but how and how and

977
01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:06.680
how and I do not know what. Well, my niece' s coming

978
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:11.479
this afternoon, and if you want
at night, you do my research and

979
01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:13.079
I don' t know what.
Blah, blah, blah, and well,

980
01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:15.920
I do, it' s true
that I collected several testimonies, especially

981
01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:19.399
one that struck me a lot from
a gentleman who told me that he in

982
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:24.479
the dance room and a huge dance
series clearly that is a hotel from the

983
01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:29.199
beginning of the century a huge dance
room with a brutal spider lamp. He

984
01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:32.239
told me that ghostly music is heard
there and that many people, including him,

985
01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:39.960
had seen or a woman in a
white dress turning and moving as if

986
01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:46.479
she were alone dancing a waltz.
That struck me. We went up that

987
01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:49.920
night with the filmmaker Javi Ruiz.
A hug. If you hear this,

988
01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:58.479
the girl who was this lady'
s niece who was the hotel manager and

989
01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:02.199
someone else lets us all go up
for a walk all over the floor.

990
01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:10.079
It is abandoned, which was really
very gloomy, very mulugure, because if

991
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:13.800
you walk through the Hotel Bolívar in
the twenties there, since you are in

992
01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:18.359
the twenties but completely abandoned, then
I remember that we recorded some psychophony.

993
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:25.600
It was very curious, but what
did manage us a lot is that we

994
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:29.600
went through the place. We'
re filming it, we' re going

995
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.560
to see if we record psychophony,
we' re going down to the room

996
01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:33.600
to see if we' re listening
to psychophonies or not. And when I

997
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:39.439
went up for the second time and
I' m sure no one could have

998
01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:45.840
come up, someone had opened the
tap of a bathtub and a huge stream

999
01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:50.079
of water was falling in the bathtub. We got into the room, we

1000
01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:55.920
saw the jet. We could close
it. And that did shock me,

1001
01:22:56.680 --> 01:23:00.000
because no one could have done that, to be safe with us. I

1002
01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:03.079
mean, no one could have done
that, so that, for example,

1003
01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:08.880
did shock me. I' ll
never get it, I' ll never

1004
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:15.239
get it. We suggest ourselves a
lot. And then when we did several

1005
01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:20.640
interviews with Peruvian archaeologists at the Bolívar
Hotel, then many times, well,

1006
01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:28.520
many times I took pictures to see
them framing and what I interviewed. And

1007
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:30.600
there' s one in a suite, because we ordered. They gave us

1008
01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:33.439
a suite, as the lady was
super hot, they gave us a huge

1009
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:40.159
suite so we could ride that little
film set. And in a photo that

1010
01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:45.760
I threw behind the gentleman appears a
huge white stain that was invisible and that

1011
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:50.479
appears in that photo and I had
a super top digital camera at the time,

1012
01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:54.439
I won' t say the mark, but I had a super top

1013
01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:57.680
and there was no way to explain
that white spot in the new photo.

1014
01:23:59.079 --> 01:24:01.479
And they' re things that,
well, they shocked me. I was

1015
01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:05.520
pretty shocked. I don' t
think it' s a hotel, unfortunately,

1016
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:10.800
it' s come to less where
everything' s happened. Since I

1017
01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:15.119
loved the bar, I loved drinking
boys. The bar is a past uncle

1018
01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:21.960
Alvar is a real wonder. Then, from love, drunken love, you

1019
01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:25.920
horn all you want to these people
who have taken their own lives. That

1020
01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:29.760
' s all been going on in
a century. Well, the Bolívar Hotel,

1021
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:33.800
which was the crem de la cream
of Lima, today is a place,

1022
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:36.399
a little, come less, but
come on if I come back Lima,

1023
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:39.960
I wouldn' t mind sleeping at
the Bolivar Hotel at all. I

1024
01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:42.479
loved it I just don' t
sleep this place, I' m not.

1025
01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:45.560
The Hotel de Olívar in Lima has
come to less. It depends on

1026
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:49.000
the pocket, because it' s
still worth making dollars at night or worth,

1027
01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:53.399
so now I figured in dollars.
I can' t afford it that

1028
01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:57.159
much. I don' t know
what' s good. It' s

1029
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:00.840
not a hotel, it' s
a Hilton, it' s still a

1030
01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:01.920
gil right now, I mean,
I don' t know if it'

1031
01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:06.640
s a Hilton, now it'
s not Linton, it' s not

1032
01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:09.079
still owned by the cooperative. I
don' t think I know. I

1033
01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:14.079
know it' s expensive. If
it' s worth that caress well,

1034
01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:15.880
it also depends on the room you
ask for. There are several rooms.

1035
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:19.600
It' s just that I was
with more people. I don' t

1036
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:24.560
think we ordered a triple room,
but for me that place is a luxury.

1037
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:29.319
I mean, I loved it,
because it' s like sleeping in

1038
01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:33.279
a museum, I mean, I
wouldn' t stay anywhere else, that

1039
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:34.640
is, one. He' s
got to be at the Gran Hotel Bolívar.

1040
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:40.079
In addition, this imposing façade is
superbly located. That as you say,

1041
01:25:40.159 --> 01:25:42.279
because what happened that has seen the
cattle to liiva to the attacks of

1042
01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:46.960
descending a luminous. Everything has seen
the history of Peru there and is still

1043
01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:50.840
standing with all its majesty in that
square, in the center of Lima.

1044
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:55.039
It' s not an ideal place. I only love him if the gun

1045
01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:59.239
square. I just want to tell
people to go there one thing. Never

1046
01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:03.119
take in more than three beaks,
because in the room you start talking nonsense

1047
01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:05.560
that you don' t. You
can imagine how he gets that sheath drunk.

1048
01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:12.359
Jesus Christ, that is, I
have a paranormal history with the pisco,

1049
01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:16.760
but there they are very good at
the truth. Or I have a

1050
01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:21.640
real wonder. Beloved Martinez, tremendously
happy to have you again on mystery night

1051
01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:26.399
that was long ago many months ago, that we did not have you talking

1052
01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:30.880
about this magnificent book of yours the
train of souls of Panamericana Editorial. People

1053
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:36.000
out there from Colombia can acquire it
through Amazon and also super recommended the book

1054
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:44.800
Mystery of the World. Travel to
the center of the unusual Mado Martínez,

1055
01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:48.000
which collects all these ghost stories,
which I believe give soul to the city

1056
01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:54.079
and give soul to hotels and trains, because life in the end is light

1057
01:26:54.239 --> 01:27:00.439
and shadows. Life in the end
is good things and such bad things.

1058
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:04.399
And that makes our reality. And
it is necessary that in life there is

1059
01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:08.279
always a street, a sand,
a light and a shadow, so that

1060
01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:13.079
there is a nemesis, so that
we can have a balance also in life.

1061
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:16.880
Dear Mado, my friend, thank
you so much for your conclusion and

1062
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:19.680
your closure for all the people who
are listening right now to mystery night.

1063
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:23.640
Well, my conclusion with all we' ve talked about tonight about trains,

1064
01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:30.399
ghosts of places, is that there' s always a story behind all these

1065
01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:32.680
stories, and that' s the
one that' s really scary or the

1066
01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:38.279
one that' s overwhelming. All
these stories that we' ve told about

1067
01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:42.000
ghosts of I don' t know
what in the end, they' re

1068
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:45.920
the oral heritage of humanity and they' re part of the body and historical

1069
01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:48.760
memory of all those places and all
those regions and all those people. So,

1070
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:54.560
thank you for being here with you. I know that people who read

1071
01:27:54.600 --> 01:27:58.920
the soul train are going to enjoy
the journey. So I expect your comments

1072
01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:01.159
to invite everyone to follow me on
my social networks, on Twitter Mado Martínez,

1073
01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:06.000
on Facebook, Mado Martínez, writer, on Instagram, Nebraskan with Bay

1074
01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:10.560
with k Finished in n and on
my YouTube channel, Mao Martínez, where

1075
01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:15.319
I have a podcast entitled Antena mysteries
that people can also hear, apart on

1076
01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:21.720
YouTube, in Spotify or in Evox, where I also count many things and

1077
01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:28.359
travel to many enchanted places to share
it with all of you. My friend,

1078
01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:30.840
little sister, a big hug and
thank you very much. We see

1079
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:33.640
each other in another program here in
mystery night, a very big hug,

1080
01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:42.239
hug that pleasure to make interview always
Amado Martínez, and I remember this Souer

1081
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:45.439
peak in the hotel that I have
drunk of having to make one day a

1082
01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:49.920
program about the drinks that get drunk
the most in the world. But we

1083
01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:57.760
still have a few minutes left to
keep talking about these spectra appearances and those

1084
01:28:57.960 --> 01:29:04.000
places where they suddenly pierce the shadow. And today we have not talked about

1085
01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:10.560
others of the icons of this type
of appearance that are the enchanted lighthouses.

1086
01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:13.720
If there is a very special one, which is that of Olbs Heat,

1087
01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:18.359
not exactly John he Olshead in Maine, in the United States, for some

1088
01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:24.000
experts, the most important enchanted lighthouse
in the United States and the world,

1089
01:29:24.399 --> 01:29:29.119
with a series of impressive legends and
that, according to researchers and locals,

1090
01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:34.319
would have the presence of two well- known spectra, a girl, a

1091
01:29:34.399 --> 01:29:40.319
infant known as the lettle lady or
the little infant who, according to the

1092
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:45.560
researchers and people who have had the
opportunity to witness anumala activity in this lighthouse

1093
01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:51.239
Maine, sudden low temperature, phenomena, polter gas strange noises, but attributed

1094
01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:57.239
to this appearance of this Leaderlady Juange, a very special kind of energy,

1095
01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:01.600
of a lot of peace, a
comforting energy, not something terrifying, unlike

1096
01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:06.319
the other appearance, which would be
the keeper of the lighthouse, the farer,

1097
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:12.760
which would be an appearance of a
man who would be in an eternal

1098
01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:17.239
cycle, it would seem to play
with constant care of this lighthouse, even

1099
01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:21.560
being on the other plane, condemned
almost as if it were, or forcing

1100
01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:26.760
him to always climb a stone that
he would then have to come back,

1101
01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:28.800
and fall away. And because the
lighthouses I think also give rise to that

1102
01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:32.239
kind of apparitions, because, as
they are so lonely places in front of

1103
01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:38.079
the sea, with all those that
have the sea and its mystery. And

1104
01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:42.920
this is a whole world econo and
juang the brutal testimony of a woman named

1105
01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:48.199
Dennis German. Turns out this woman
was the wife of who, in the

1106
01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:51.760
mid- eighties, was the caretaker
of this lighthouse of Ouldhead. Her husband

1107
01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:58.520
' s name was Andy and she
lived an absolutely amazing freak in this lighthouse.

1108
01:30:58.640 --> 01:31:02.319
Juanje counted tennis in the mid-
eighties, on a night where she

1109
01:31:02.439 --> 01:31:09.439
was certainly spending the night with her
husband. Suddenly, she looked back at

1110
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:15.880
her bed because she thought her husband
was sleeping with her. When he literally

1111
01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:19.239
saw a print on the bed.
It wasn' t her husband' s

1112
01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:23.800
footprint, because her husband wasn'
t there at the time, but had

1113
01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:30.399
gone out to check some things out
of the lighthouse and this footprint began to

1114
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:32.199
move alone in front of her.
Danny German says he didn' t use

1115
01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:36.720
substances, he was absolutely awake.
But it says I' ve always had

1116
01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:42.560
as a pretty strong mentality for this
kind of thing. I just told that

1117
01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:45.920
print, that shadow that was there, to leave me alone, to let

1118
01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:50.439
me rest. But no less amazing
is the version of this story Juange of

1119
01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:56.439
Andy, Denis' husband. This
man says that, when he went out

1120
01:31:56.920 --> 01:32:01.239
to check some materials that were in
the lighthouse, he sensed an extra whitish

1121
01:32:01.399 --> 01:32:08.399
fog, a white shadow that passed
under him and headed towards the fourth,

1122
01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:13.279
where his wife was. The next
morning, when they got up and wanted

1123
01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:19.319
to exchange the stories, the two
were amazed at how these two events coincided,

1124
01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:25.119
two people who lived these events in
different parts of the lighthouse, but

1125
01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:28.880
who coincided on the night when all
this had happened. I think it'

1126
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:34.880
s funny. Not as that exact
white Taint describes moving into his wife'

1127
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:39.520
s bedroom and then as his wife
says there' s someone in the room,

1128
01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:44.439
even that leaves a mark exactly on
the bed Holy God, and there

1129
01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:47.399
' s some theory of why these
things happen there or they don' t

1130
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:50.560
just happen to her. The theories
that have been discussed over the years by

1131
01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:55.520
George state that, possibly, as
a beacon of the oldest in the United

1132
01:32:55.560 --> 01:33:00.359
States, it may have been epicenter
of tragic shipwreck accidents. In fact,

1133
01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:05.640
there is another testimony that is also
very striking, Juange, because they are

1134
01:33:05.720 --> 01:33:11.479
literally gay polter events, quite obvious, quite physical. To the Gord a

1135
01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:15.359
man who also had the opportunity to
take care of this lighthouse in the late

1136
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:19.520
1980s, says that, along with
one of his relatives, he observed a

1137
01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:27.319
pumpkin on Halloween turning on herself,
without anyone having been interacting with this artifact.

1138
01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:31.600
And to further curl the curl,
as you say in Spain, Juange

1139
01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:36.880
also another of the legends that is
spoken is that the daughter or one of

1140
01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:42.600
the girls of one of the caretakers
of this lighthouse used to comment that he

1141
01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:46.000
was, or at least attributed and
said to be playing with a very old

1142
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:50.760
man, with a captain and to
be constantly talking to him. But the

1143
01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:55.520
craziest thing about all this is that, in the midst of all this anomalous

1144
01:33:55.520 --> 01:34:02.279
juange activity, the thermostat of this
lighthouse seems to accommodate automates without anyone interacting

1145
01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:08.520
with this artifact, as if a
spirit, an energy or a moderate presence.

1146
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:12.359
In this case, the temperature inside
this lighthouse is not crazy. And

1147
01:34:12.399 --> 01:34:14.960
besides, that' s kind of
super, super typical. In the phenomenon

1148
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:20.000
brought down abruptly from temperature, rosen
rosen was measured in rosenham in Germany to

1149
01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:26.680
a drop of eight degrees are only
a second, as if that type of

1150
01:34:26.680 --> 01:34:30.600
entity needed some kind of energy or
something to be able to move and to

1151
01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:35.359
be able to present itself in this
plane of reality. Alejandro Bernal, friend,

1152
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:40.279
your conclusion and you close that we
are already coming to the end of

1153
01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:43.960
the program. I believe that it
is self- evident and as this podcast,

1154
01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:47.319
this program, plays that this kind
of energies, this type of entities

1155
01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:54.960
exist on that other plane those useful
energies and on many occasions use certain places,

1156
01:34:55.560 --> 01:35:00.000
sometimes marked by tragedy or other kind
of places charged with a very special

1157
01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:03.880
energy, as a kind of bridge
to communicate with us, to interact even

1158
01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:09.920
on other planes. It seems to
me that in this case, the docier

1159
01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:15.520
that we developed with Mau was wonderful, an incredible research that is in his

1160
01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:18.399
Mystery Book of the World and in
his book Or in what inspired him to

1161
01:35:18.520 --> 01:35:23.319
create his new novel, Juan Ge, so a wonder to be able to

1162
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:28.359
always share microphones with her and can
follow me on Instagram on top of Lebernal

1163
01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:30.800
Press and I just want to tell
you one thing. Always look back at

1164
01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:35.720
the shadows because in it I see
something, something I don' t know

1165
01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:41.319
what. It' s just,
from time to time he wakes up and

1166
01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:45.560
they have the ability to enter this
world to torment us, I don'

1167
01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:50.000
t know why. But I really
believe that our planet, Earth, since

1168
01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:55.560
time immemorial, is a place where
there is a war between lights and shadows.

1169
01:35:56.479 --> 01:36:00.439
Always stick to the light, abandon, leave the sounds of light,

1170
01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:05.279
a light that I desire to guide
the path of all who are listening to

1171
01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:10.560
this and never forget that we live
in a magical world, because it is

1172
01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:11.119
full of mystery