El enigma de los templos estelares

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Hey, everybody, how you doing. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo,

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journalist, writer and director of the
Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. From

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the earliest antiquity, humans erected great
stone monuments pointing to the stars, and

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we have some well- known sites, such as, for example, the

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three pyramids on the Giza plateau in
Egypt, which reflect the belt of orion

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upon the earth. But there are
other places that also put the stars in

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contact with our ancestors, such as
Calanis, in Scotland, where the ancient

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Celts made a great calendar in stone
to mark us as time moved and also,

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according to some, the time when
the gods would return to the earth

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and other places also full of mystery, such as the huge and pogees that

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are on the island of Malta,
one of them known by the name of

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Gigantia, evokes that time when men
gods and even giants walked together on the

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face of the earth, telling us
of a time of legend that was a

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reality for our ancestors. But if
you want to know about this and much

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more, don' t miss the
last mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio.

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The enigma of the star temples.
For thousands of years, our ancestors looked

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at the stars, and not just
to contemplate the magic of the firmament.

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They go to the stars, because
ancient gods came to earth to give them

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different messages and it is a constant
that repeats itself over and over and over

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again in different civilizations of the planet. And these civilizations, the more lavish

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they were, the more impossible technology
they accumulated, the more they looked at

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the stars, as is the case, for example, of ancient Egypt.

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I don' t know if you' ve ever heard of the texts of

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the pyramids, and in the fifth
Dynasty, in the pyramids in the archaeological

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area of Sácara, there are a
number of texts that turn out to be,

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at least disturbing. They are texts
that tell us of magic formulas for

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Pharaoh' s soul to take the
film, but not only for the firmament

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to surface in a metaphorical way,
but they saw Pharaoh as a demigod able

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to travel through the stars exactly as
his ancestors did, because for the ancient

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Egyptians, Pharaoh was the direct son
of the gods and one more god on

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earth. And that' s what
it looks like in these texts. In

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these texts it is narrated how Pharaoh
is born in the star of Orion,

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and he ascends the sky exactly as
did the god Osiris, one of the

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chief gods of Egypt, who receives
you at the gates of the afterlife.

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And it is curious what qualities this
god had that was born in the star

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of Orion and from above the sky. And it must be said that it

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is in the orion belt of this
star that the Egyptians placed the duat,

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the door to the beyond where the
gods live. Very concrete facts that tell

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us about a possible extraterrestrial visit many
thousands of years ago on the banks of

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the Nile River and I will read
literal one of those texts of the pyramids.

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Anubist will take your innut arm.
It will give your heart that you

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smell tall like a falcon, that
you smell tall like a heron, that

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travels to the West lives, lives
next to your father, next to Orion.

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In the sky. These texts described
how the gods traveled to the star

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of Orion and from Orion came to
the earth. It is a simple religious

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text, or it tells us this
a disturbing reality that few of us know

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about. For it is still curious
that the Orion belt is the three stars

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of the Orion olive belt that reflect
the three great pyramids of the Giza plateau.

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The greatest effort man has ever made
in creating monuments. The only wonder

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of the ancient world that continues to
stand and just this work of titans and

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giants connects with the stars and with
some stars, specifically where the gods lived.

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The chief of them is Osiris,
the Star traveler who came to earth.

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But not only that and this we
will comment on later in the program.

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The sons of Oruslo, the southern
ones who ruled Egypt for more than

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six thousand years, also came from
the constellation Orion. And not only are

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the ancient Egyptians talking about Orion.
French anthropologists Marcel Giriol and his wife of

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Last Name Diertelem went to the country
of Mali, until the failure, dobon

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the Bandigara fault, right where it
begins in that area, Black Africa,

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and the tribe there. The dogs
told marcer griol that thousands of years ago

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some beings of the stars they called
nommos came there and came on a flying

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ship. And that ship that was
flying came to the Fault of Bandigara and

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there it entered a lake and this
we did not say that fish men also

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came out of the water to communicate
with them. But the legend has even

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more curious and powerful details. And
the dogones told them that, around the

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star of Sirius there was another one
that was invisible, and that invisible star

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turned every fifty years to the star
of Sirius and the dogones began to make

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a feast to commemorate that potolo,
which means small seed, that invisible star

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gave every fifty years a turn to
the star of Sirius in the constellation of

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orion. And it' s funny
because when they describe that potolo, that

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small seed, that invisible star,
they say that a handful of potolo,

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which I could choose with my hand
weighed more than all the sand in the

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Sahara desert. Centuries ago it was
discovered that around the star of Sirius there

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is a white dwarf that today is
known astronomically as Sirius b The case is

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that the vessels in which a millet
beer was made for this feast continues that

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it is done every fifty years to
commemorate that this invisible star turned accumulated in

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a ritual hut. They had many
centuries before modern astronomy knew and even that

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there was Syrian B and it is
curious how men keep telling us about these

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visits of ancient gods. And in
the places where those visits took place there

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are always temples that look at the
stars. And that' s today'

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s theme, the enigma of menir
star temples like, for example, in

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Carnac thousands of menirs in France pointing
out the menir stars is huge blocks of

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gigantic stones looking at the stars in
Stoneheinge, in Britain, also menirs here

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in Colombia, in the infiernito,
looking at the stars. A constant all

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over the world. And I don' t know about you, but I

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do think you came and you communicated
with men and I' m convinced that

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those gods will one day come back
perhaps to end that human stupidity that is

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it and you don' t know
that I' m doing copyright trips this

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September. On the 22nd of September, on the 1st of October, I

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will be making a trip to Egypt
to visit these stellar temples that are on

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the banks of the Nile, such
as Carnak, places full of magic,

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mystery, with magic that remains intact
thousands of years later and, of course,

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we will also walk in the pyramids
of Guizas. If you want to

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sign this trip. All the information
is on the website. Three trips Juan

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Jesús Vallejo as I repeat, Three
trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com and we start

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yazz in ripening. Alejandro Bernada,
half to partner, how you are.

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All right, I greet you today
on a journey with the imagination Jorge through

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some of the most important star temples
in our world, bobe clepe Kalanish in

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Scotland, which I was very surprised
I particularly, did not know axis either,

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but with our guest of exception tonight, Iván Martínez, we will tour

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these wonderful places. In this world. Indeed, tonight we have a guest

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of Luxurious Ivan Martinez, who is
the director of the YouTube channel, great

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mystery. I' m sure many
of you know it for us a pride

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that is here tonight We have a
pre- recorded interview that has been uprooted

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for thousands of years and I don' t know why men built stone temples,

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leaving us an unwritten message, but
that message, however, is eternal.

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It is a message only to initiate
for those who understand the symbols that

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are on those stones, which are
eternal. And there they left us,

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I repeat, a legacy of the
time when men continually looked at the stars.

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And not only is this a metaphor
of star looks, it is that

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from the stars came a knowledge to
the earth that was embodied in temples that

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were the most important sacred places that
there was in Antiquity, the memory of

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a time when men and gods walked
together on the face of the Earth.

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But speaking of this type of temples
and of this kind of places, today

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we have here in mystery night,
here in Caracol radio to an exceptional guest

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who has just made a book called
The Enigma of the Star Temples, I

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repeat, the enigma of the Star
Temples, which is a book that you

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can get throughout Latin America through Amazon
in a very simple way and the and

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the author of this book is a
very well known youtuber that surely you will

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already know who is here throughout the
continent, that is Ivan Martinez, who

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is the director of the YouTube channel, Great Mystery, Iván Martínez, Good

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evening that there are, how you
are Good evening, Juan G because very

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happy and happy to be here with
you and to be able to talk about

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these subjects that we like so much, because many thanks, friends. I

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was already looking forward to having you
here on mystery night, Alejandro Bernal.

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I think, like me, I
was recently on your YouTube channel, in

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great mystery. And well, from
there, from Spain, you have become

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a reference here in Latin America as
well. And the first question is a

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must, which is the one I
ask to all the guests who arrive for

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the first time last night of mystery
forgiveness and do not know who you are

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Iván Martínez for the entire audience of
Caracol Radio. Well, Iván Martínez is

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a person passionate about the mystery world, someone with a lot of curiosity who

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for more than twelve years began making
video programs on the Internet about different enigmas

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of all kinds, from ufology to
archaeology. Everything that interested me, because

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I tried to make a library of
videos and thus learn about the subject,

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about the study of this. But
over time, well, I saw that

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the mystery is not only to investigate, but to create a kind of philosophy

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of its own, an initiatory path
perhaps and led me to travel around the

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world, to write several books,
to meet wonderful people about this realm of

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mystery and, in the end,
it is a lifestyle that is very integrated

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into me and, well, I
am simply a curious one who shares the

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things that find a lifestyle and a
way of thinking. That' s why

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some non- critical people recently were
in the middle of commenting on some podcasts.

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This is about encouraging free thinking,
which is what people like you,

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Alejandro Bernal or a servant do,
because I think that many people resent it

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in a time of history when it
seems like they want to take us as

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if we were going for water without
thinking about one current or another. Suddenly,

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telling people quiet, read documentese if
you can travel, travel that is

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even better and draw your own conclusions
is a more dangerous message than we think.

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They weren' t going, man. Sure, because in the end

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you are challenging ideas established for many
years and now worse than a while ago,

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because now everything is polarized. I
suspect that there is some kind of

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social engineering behind big social networks like
Twitter, to try to bring people to

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extremism. And perhaps there is an
elite that designs these strategies to divide.

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I don' t know. Me. What I see is more division than

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ten years ago, for example,
but much more division. A hate if

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you hurry me up irrational and you
can' t talk about things at large.

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It is an involution where, effectively, different social networks like Twitter,

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has a lot to do with this
social radicalization. But, well, we,

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who are a bunch of crazy people
a little bit apart, will continue

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with this speech and I think both
the people who listen to your great mystery

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YouTube channel and the people who listen
to this mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio.

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They' re people who are freethinkers. So here we can speak of

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everything with total and absolute freedom.
Ivan, you just wrote a book.

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Your second book. Correct me if
I' m wrong that it' s

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called the puzzle of the star temples, what is it that pushes you to

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write this book. Well, what
pushes me to write this book is to

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try to remove that false label from
people who see these contents from outside a

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youtuber who is at home reading books
and little more not I this book.

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What I tried to do was to
write only about what I could see and

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touch, that is, I traveled
a lot of places and I wrote only

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about what I had in front of
me. I' ve been to Egypt,

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to Turkey, I' ve been
to the Calanis Stones, to the

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islands beyond northern Scotland. I'
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been to a lot of places and
I' ve been able to see those

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stellar temples that for me is a
theory that tries to relate some sort of

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ancient technology to the construction of big
minires, great constructions like pyramids, as

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if there were mathematical knowledge, also
starting implicit in the rock, in the

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stone. And well, it'
s a very interesting topic, because it

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' s led me to discover a
lot of places I didn' t know.

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Of course it is different to read
it in the books to see it

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in documentaries, that being there is
a wonder And this I recommend to everyone,

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not man and you learn things that
are not in the books. I

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mean, I think it' s
another world look. I always give the

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same example I have read of Inca
culture a lot. I had been in

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Peru many times until I lived in
Lima for a season like five months I

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lived in Lima and all of a
sudden it was one of the trips I

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made to the sacred valley with one
of the guides I had in a place

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that in principle I didn' t
care about, shit, which is the

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Church of Andaguailillas. I was with
the guide right in the center of the

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church ship. I said look at
the arch on the left, because in

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the arch or Zerda you will see
our father written in three languages, in

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Latin, Quechua and Pukina. And
I told him but what' s this

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about Pukina. And he tells me
the Incas, the Intipchurin, the children

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of the Sun, who were a
very small tribe, the Inca nobility,

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the people, did not understand them
because when they spoke among themselves, although

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they spoke Quechua, they were bilingual
among themselves speaking in Pukina, which is

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a language that today is dead.
No one speaks Puquina and, moreover,

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it is practically impossible to relate to
other languages of the world. It is

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a rare thing, a language that
is spoken by the people who were the

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creators of Cuzco, Saxai Waman and
so many sacred places with stones of hundreds

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of thousands of kilos, creating an
archaeological challenge that reaches us to this day

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as much as I read. I
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a place I didn' t really
care about in the first place. I

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wanted to say something. We remember
very much the language Aimara. I don

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' t know if you know him. The Aimar went through a series of

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computer programs and determined that it was
as perfect as a code as a software.

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How could this be made clear?
It is the myth of creation,

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of giving knowledge to man who exists
in the past. The language is very

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impressive for different knowledge. The Aymara, which is spoken in good parts,

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in a large part of Bolivia and
which, moreover, is the language with

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the most verbal times in the world. It' s a very complex thing.

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But very complex. But good.
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really glad to keep your book in
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of what I was saying, if
I wanted to comment on one thing about

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what I was saying to youubers,
that many youtuber who don' t travel

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and such is that what I think
happens and I would like your opinion of

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this, even if we get a
little off the program Vale is that good.

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There are many people who have signed
up for this mystery on YouTube,

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because the mystery has relative ease to
make certain viral content and I find people.

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For example, I' ve found
people, because I' m not

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going to tell you the name,
but a girl doesn' t, because

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I started first making make- up. But since my makeup didn' t

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work, then I got into the
mystery world. I' ve heard a

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few things that, obviously prefer not
to answer Vale as saying joy because what

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interest you had in this knowing something
that marked your life. It' s

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clear what you think of everything that' s being set up on YouTube with

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mystery issues, because it' s
very broad, but I would like your

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opinion, because you have a community
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look. I think people attract what
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Their intentions go through different paths.
If a person and tries it with makeup,

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with music, with whatever and then
says I will enter the mystery to

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see if I do more visit,
then that person will never be able to

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make content dedicated to trying to know
the truth of things, trying to dump

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passion for these topics, because there
is no passion. The pretense is to

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seek an economic benefit and that is
the danger within the mystery, because that

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makes you throw away for viral issues, even if they are false, whatever,

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the more crazy, extravagant, the
better we are going forward. Let

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' s see if we make any
money. And that is, then,

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one of the plagues that the world
of mystery has. Currently the land is

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flat beyond the Ice Wall. We
have the other day a guy who calls

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him the harlequin in Tiktok Sete.
How many were two hundred continents, and

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one hundred and seventy continents. Something
like that. He already came upstairs and

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you see some things that well,
you made a video, very good about

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this recently on your channel, giving
your opinion about eye. Beware of this

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that I think that there are people
who have not lost our sense or try

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to study or read a lot or
bring or bring guests, that we know

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that there are people who have also
studied and that know things that I don

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' t know or that you don' t know is worth and careful with

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these kind of characters that are appearing
and that this is the beginning they are

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going to continue to appear more with
such as to take money. But well

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we to our friend, to make
mysteries in condition and to continue to grow

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and not to lose the sanity Hey
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we have talked about many times from
here. But I want your vision,

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which is a place that has clearly
changed history, which is Gobecklitepe, the

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navel mountain in Turkey, because until
Gobert Kitepe appeared, they always said that

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the first civilizations in history had about
five thousand and five hundred years old Sumeria,

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wet Jodar and Jarapa in Pakistan,
then Egypt, three thousand and fifty

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before Christ, and suddenly a German
archaeologist arrived clauuse Smith, and he says

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that this must be delayed seven thousand
more years. How was your experience in

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Govier Typpe, because it was a
very nice experience, because first of all,

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before you get to Goberly Teppe,
you have to cross a very long

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road, very long that is with
the Syrian border, and it was very

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shocking to see a tank coming out
on one side of the road and pointing

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us to the caravan. We already
thought this far, but well it was

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the Turkish army that was simply doing
a review of the people passing by the

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road. Of course, you get
there and what' s striking is not

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Goberly Teppe, it' s around. They are very planite mountains that you

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see protruding, semi- buried structures
that are lost there waiting for one day

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to be unburied. Sure, I
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here there' s a lot,
there' s a lot to discover,

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but good by focusing on governingly clear
tepe, you see, beyond the images

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of documentaries, you see a complex
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Some say that in a deliberate way
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it can be. And you see
some columns in tea shapes with a number

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of symbols, many of them are
animals. There are theories that these animals

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were a kind of protor representation of
the stars, a celestial vault that would

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be perhaps different from ours, because
there is a phenomenon of precession that moves

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like a kind of top. The
planet earth every 20, 000 and peak

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years. I don' t remember
the number and that changes the celestial vault.

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But of course, you see,
other strange things, like humanoids with

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a series of m- shaped belts
and also an altar in the center of

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the concentric rings that form the obergli
TP theses. It is a panorama of

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absolute mystery to be there and the
sensations are that more studies are needed,

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more discovery and so on. Very
interesting, well, look at you I

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can tell you one thing. I
was at Google Clictpe just when the carbon

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fourteen tests came out. I would
swear that he was the first Spanish journalist

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who went there thanks to the support
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was about the year two thousand seven, two thousand eight tops I was a

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few weeks ago. They haven'
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exactly as I saw it just as
they have put a giant awnings on it

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and have made a walk so that
you are no longer so close to ruin.

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But I meant that I think it
is also a political issue. Okay,

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so that' s how Close Smitch
was German and he was the one

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who discovered Gobe Clitepe. They have
turned the archeological studies of Turkish archaeologists to

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put on the medal of I discovered
it and, for example, about a

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year ago it was already carajan Tepe, which seems to be a thousand years

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before bobecli Tepe. I think it' s a political issue. It is

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my opinion, I may be wrong
and more than a hundred archaeological sites that

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remain in the area for investigating me
to hear well more than a hundred archaeological

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sites a whole world for discovering a
lesson of humility for archaeologists, historians and

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all human beings, because there was
a humanity before humanity. And we'

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re still here on mystery night.
We were immersed in the mysteries of Gobe

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Clitepe on Mt Ombligo, in Turkey, the place where the history of humanity

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was rewrote, twelve zero years old, and the interview with Iván Martínez continues

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like this. Well, maybe,
maybe. The truth is that it is

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a pity, because they could even
stretch tourism there and, well, earn

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a number of economic benefits so that
they can continue digging up the place and

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continue investigating. But they don'
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do not know, not in the
case of Carajantep, and there are others

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also other different TPs, each jan
TP is very particular because there is a

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theory about sound. You can see
that there are columns in some kind of

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something that could have been in a
somewhat ritual tank, something with water.

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to be that by hitting them they emit

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some kind of sound. And this
the first time I heard it was Javier

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Sierra, who was talking about it. I was very intrigued by this.

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In fact, in that pool there
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a strange figure that reminds me a
lot of Aguanaco. In Tiaguanaco there are

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some heads who suffer greatly from this. I don' t know. There

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are many riddles throughout the region and
perhaps good are related to each other and

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it is a place where history is
being rewritten over the next few years that

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places like bobe Quitepe will continue to
appear. It' s a shame Chittepe

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didn' t dig badly. And
besides, I think bobet Litepe has some

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riddles that don' t relate to
the stars, which I want to know

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your opinion about those gods that come
from the stars. But I' m

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going to do it to you in
the next block when I ask you about

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the great pyramid that is the famous
trail of the vulture, where you see

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a vulture with an extended wing,
some kind of sun or something. And

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there are people who have related to
non- scientific people of first order forgiveness,

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who have related this to an event
that may be the recent draya,

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which changed the earth around about twelve, fourteen, fifteen zero years ago,

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a great cataclysm that made the level
of the sophres if there were more than

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a hundred meters you think that actually
in Clitepe gobe they don' t tell

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that kind of story of how the
world changed and the relationship of man with

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the stars. I think so.
In fact, there are at least three

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scientific studies linking Gobertgli Tepe to a
kind of cataclysm. Some speak of recent

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stripes, as you have said,
and others of a meteorite species, something

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that fell from the sky that impacted
quite a lot in society at the time

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tried to make Cobegli Tepe a kind
of ritual cult to prevent something like this

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from happening in the future. In
those symbolic beliefs, in fact, around

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Cobeglitepe, huge circles were found,
as if they were a kind of stone

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donux very large meters and a half
meters, and the theory says that they

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tried to represent the mouth as the
sound because they were all unusable inclined towards

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the stars and again related to the
sound of each jan tepe as if it

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were the key to the enigma.
What is the sound, what is the

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voice what they meant if then everything
was buried. But yes, there is

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a cosmic catastrophe, or at least
it is what several studies warn about the

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sense of goberglitepe. But we'
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a lot to dig up. We
never know. And I think that,

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besides, one of the keys to
Clip bobe and you commented it before,

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is that the temples were not abandoned, buried and sealed, as if the

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man said this stage of the story
ended and starts another one or they fought

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with their gods or I don'
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to bury the temples is almost as
great or more as the effort to do

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so. You bet, you bet. In fact, I believe it obeys

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a sacred character. Either it is
a message for the future, for the

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other civilizations that discover it or had
enormous respect for LITP and decided to bury

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it with a sacred character. But
of course they' re all theories,

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because we can' t know the
real intention of this. They' re

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hypotheses. They are hypotheses, and
well, the important thing I think is

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to be there ourselves, as researchers
and as divulgators, and well, tell

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us what science is telling us and
what our soul tells us in our hearts

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about the intentionality that can have such
a place. Hey, we' re

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gonna move on to another one of
the Good Ones. I think this is

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the riddle of riddles and as much
as we talk about it. We can

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talk about this during a thousand programs
and details always come up. There'

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s always new things. The great
pyramid Giza, the great pyramid, supposedly

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for some that or that it is
not alone in the middle of the plateau

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of Giza, is along with two
other pyramids that reflect on the belt of

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the East. We' ve got
the sphinx next door. There are already

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studies that tell us that the great
pyramid is an electromagnetic condenser. That was

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scientifically demonstrated by a Russian university Iván
Martínez, which is what you think when

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you get there in Egypt you see
that huge mole that I always say the

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same to you, it makes you
feel so small and so insignificant, that

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it is a lesson of eternal humility
that gives us the great pyramid oysters I

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think it is enormous. You can' t really imagine how big it is

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when you' re there. In
fact, the first time I saw her

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was at night, because we went
in at night and went out because after

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dawn and it was after I had
been inside, when I really saw her

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with the sunlight and said my mother. This is one of the things I

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' m going to take forever,
because that' s often with that vision

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afterwards, because it' s very
shocking. It is not like an indelible

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imprint on the spirit, on the
human soul and good to be inside is

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different, as I imagined it is
very overwhelming. I mean, there'

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s a lot of humidity. Looks
like I don' t know how you

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' re short of breath, and
I didn' t figure that out.

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When I was there I noticed it
and much more when I went down to

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the Chaos Chamber. It' s
a lot more overwhelming there, because the

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tunnels aren' t ready. It
is very narrow you fill with sand,

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but it is worth it because you
notice the weight of the Great Pyramid on

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your head, since in this case, in the Chamber of Chaos you are

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under the Great Pyramid, under the
plateau of Izza. It' s impressive,

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but that was my first contact on
the wonder affair. I know I

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want to tell people that, unfortunately, the general public cannot see the three

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chambers of the Great Pyramid, one
known as the Chamber of Chaos, which

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is below, as Ivan said,
under the great pyramid and is excavated in

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the rock of the Giza plateau,
because the plateau of Iza is pure rock.

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Well they put him in the Chaos
Chamber I always say it like they

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could have put him in my cousin' s chamber. We have no idea

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what the Queen' s House was
called or anything that my grandmother' s

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chamber might have put on her.
Well, no queen was ever found there.

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And then, at the top that
is made of pink granite and with

407
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stones of more than 150 thousand kilos, the House of Pharaoh you believe that

408
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:42.280
the great pyramid wants to leave us
a message in stone that we do not

409
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:47.119
yet know, of number, of
course, and above all because there is

410
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a record of larger cameras that are
still sealed and I do not know very

411
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.880
well why they do not open them. There was a Japanese investigation into putting

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in the Chamber of Chaos huge computers
that they did was the detection of muons

413
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.199
that are cosmic particles that, when
they collide against the great pyramid, the

414
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:10.559
change of density that occurs when there
is an internal cavity, is reflected in

415
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.239
the computer and thus they discovered a
camera of fifty meters that there is no

416
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.000
more news. And this and a
lot of years ago, how they don

417
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:22.599
' t open that chamber or open
it and they don' t say anything

418
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:28.039
like that. I believe it,
but perfectly and more knowing archaeologists there how

419
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.400
the matter works. I don'
t know, I don' t know.

420
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.920
There' s a very big riddle
that we don' t know yet

421
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.039
and that maybe they know, because
when there are tourist times there are new

422
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:44.800
discoveries. Always yes and, for
example, now that there are fewer passenger

423
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.519
cars in Egypt, unfortunately, because
of the Gaza conflict, they were already

424
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:52.159
saying that Cleopatra' s tomb was
going to appear in Alexandria. They remember

425
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:58.000
you, or now they want to
fuck and bomb the new museum they'

426
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.239
ve opened. But if you keep
it, you give it to them,

427
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.159
because for them it is an issue, it is an economic issue. They

428
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.320
know that Egyptian tourism moves, moves
a lot of money and keeps it and

429
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.800
when they feel like it, they
release it. But with dropper. Alejandro

430
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.239
Bernal O, since we are talking
about Egypt, I want to know Ivan

431
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:22.440
' s point of view about probably
one of the discoveries that at the media

432
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.400
level had the greatest impact in recent
months a series of channels known as the

433
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:32.280
branch to Ramat, with which they
could have transported those blocks to build the

434
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:37.559
pyramids that they think about this discovery
Ivan. You think this allowed four thousand

435
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.519
years ago to create these portents,
or clearly lack more information to know how

436
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.440
they did it. To see 100% you cannot know, but I think

437
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:52.760
it is quite obvious that they could
have used the water, since this discovery

438
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:58.679
it raises is that, satellite view
you can see the ancient vestiges of a

439
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:05.880
series of good rivers or water that
could have been, because perhaps deviated to

440
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:13.000
or that part of a second river
Nile was formed. They even talk is

441
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.599
accurate. It would be the settlement, a second Nile river, and it

442
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:22.239
would seem that large blocks from the
Asuan quarry would be likely to be transported

443
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:27.000
there, but I think it is
300 kilometers away. I want to remember

444
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.920
a thousand thousand kilos, so look
at yourself, look at you. That

445
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.000
' s why I' m saying
100% can' t be known,

446
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.039
because it' s a thousand kilometers. Uh, I don' t know,

447
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:42.519
the theory is interesting, because from
the water it' s a little

448
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:44.800
easier, a little not, but
look. The importance of Alexander Bernal'

449
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:50.039
s question how much we don'
t know about Egypt, which has now

450
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.400
been shown to have a second river
Nile Forgiveness, a second artificial river that

451
00:38:54.400 --> 00:39:00.559
they channeled it, obviously, to
have more farmland and that could also serve

452
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:05.960
the best. It is not known
for the transport of stones or other things,

453
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.039
but that we realized three days ago
and for a satellite theme, that

454
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:15.800
is, neither in the Egyptian texts
nor in anything seemed that clear. We

455
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.119
' re talking about a very important
thing and we didn' t know anything.

456
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.840
I think it' s an incredible
thing, and I think it'

457
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:24.519
s all like that in Egypt.
No, I mean, it' s

458
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.159
all of a sudden to see what
he' s telling us. I suspect

459
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.559
that under the Giza plateau there is
a tunnel gallery that may have been flooded

460
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:37.519
by water. In fact, there
is an investigation, some articles that are

461
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.119
complex to find, but they exist. I have them in case anyone wants

462
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.559
them from zai jaguas when he discovered
a kind of well near the great pyramid,

463
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:51.760
which was later known as the well
of Osigris, a well that led

464
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.199
to three chambers. One of them
had a sarcophagus of which there has been

465
00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.280
little talk about who was buried there. It is said that what an obsp

466
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.719
is a mystery and then he sent, after removing the water, to seal

467
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.039
it. You don' t know
very well why. But of course,

468
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:13.199
if there is a huge well in
the Chaos Chamber, maybe that well was

469
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:17.679
connected to a tunnel gallery flooded by
water. In fact, there' s

470
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.599
an engineer who doesn' t remember
the name, but he became very famous

471
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.519
a few years ago. What did
the following say? If there is water

472
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:30.159
in underground tunnels under the Giza plateau
and climbs up the well of the Chamber

473
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:36.239
of Chaos The going up and down
does the same thing as some kind of

474
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.079
hydraulic pumping, because the pressure would
rise upwards. Tempting or talking a little

475
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:46.280
bit about maybe there was some energy
component unknown to us, but known to

476
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.920
some in ancient times. But that' s clear. More evidence is needed.

477
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.679
Obviously, yeah, yeah, yeah, there' s so much more

478
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.960
evidence. But this is funny because
look now that you' ve talked about

479
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:02.239
the Osiris well issue. One of
the guides in Egypt I work with is

480
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.360
archaeologist, and well he played in
the NBA of archaeology, because he was

481
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:12.159
archaeologist on the plateau of Giza.
To be that logo, maybe you have

482
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.360
to be a genius, if not
obvious. He won' t let you

483
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:17.800
and he told me that it can' t be made public. Obviously,

484
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.079
because Zaihawas is the first one to
hide it that he is that he worked

485
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:27.280
in the well of Osiris, oyster
man and then told me that I worked

486
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.599
in the well. I was there
and the archaeological traces gave us the five

487
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:36.599
thousand before Christ, but they told
us that all quiet people who were prettier

488
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:42.159
than and then stamped it flippa.
I also had the contact of a guide

489
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.960
of the two of the previous two
times that I have been, a guide

490
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:53.239
called pepe who asked for information about
this well of Siris and sent me some

491
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.679
photographs that he himself had made of
a kind of very fenced entrance, but

492
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:04.000
it was sealed and why they would
get that yes, it is tremendously interesting,

493
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.039
very rare. When you want me
to go to Egypt, I'

494
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.360
ll give you this friend' s
contact again because he did work as an

495
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.559
archaeologist in Giza and he was there
and to me when he told me that,

496
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.039
I stayed, I stayed at shows
and I told him. But why

497
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.920
don' t you know and say
you can' t say it because it

498
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.000
' s about rewriting the story and
it' s a fucking polemic. In

499
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.480
fact, it' s totally unknown
to many archaeologists, that is, you

500
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:28.840
don' t even know what.
Yes, I do. Yeah, yeah,

501
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:30.920
yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but this day I' m

502
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:35.199
telling you by chance and the guy' s also a love, he'

503
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:40.519
s super good friend so that he
can give you information because he was there,

504
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.000
he' s cool and that'
s not what he left me on

505
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:49.840
show because besides, I didn'
t understand why they silenced him. He

506
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:55.159
also related this research to me and
told me that the first thing that came

507
00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.960
to mind of archaeologists when they were
there in the well of Osiris, was

508
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:06.920
that they had to delay yes or
yes, the dating of the sphinx.

509
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.199
He didn' t even tell me
about the pyramids. He told me the

510
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:16.280
theme of the Osiris well is that
it also caused us to delay the adaptation

511
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:21.679
of the sphinx. Then everybody quiet
covered the well and that' s the

512
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.440
end of the story. So,
seen the sphinx, which has two types

513
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:30.880
of erosion up and another horizontal,
as if the water had hit him too

514
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:36.840
and then you look like the sphinx, it seems like they are restoring it

515
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.679
with different blocks to the time,
like covering that erosion is that there are

516
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:46.239
many things to tell. That'
s not really stopping yes, and an

517
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:53.800
official archaeology that won' t let
this change. Not because it' s

518
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:59.400
heavily controlled by the Antiquities Ministry.
And so and so I don' t

519
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.320
know that I didn' t even
ask him about the Osiri well, that

520
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.519
neither, even though they know all
this, did he come up talking to

521
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.880
him about the sphinx and the possibility
that the sphinx was seven or eight thousand

522
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.719
years before Christ, even ten zero
before Christ, as he defends, as

523
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:21.400
Robert Bauball says. And then it
was he who told me about the well

524
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:28.840
of Cyris and I was equipped to
freak out tell me you can also look

525
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.719
at the side of the sphinx and
a temple, the temple of the sphinx,

526
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.599
and that temple is very strange.
It has the largest and most perfect

527
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.920
rocks, i e forgiveness, the
largest and most perfect blocks I have found

528
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.920
in all of Egypt. In fact, I have a photograph that I'

529
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.639
m next to a block and I
have a little flea next to it,

530
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.079
and it' s not like they
stop going into that temple. It'

531
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.599
s complicated. I want to try
in a few months because you can'

532
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.880
t really get in. Not if
not aside, it is a very enigma

533
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:07.159
temple, because it is not clear
exactly for use. The fact that it

534
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.599
doesn' t have a roof.
They tell me why amun ra rituals were

535
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.280
performed. But everything is very weird, all very long, because, besides,

536
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.440
and you have been written several times
like me, the rest of the

537
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:22.400
temples you see in Egypt have absolutely
nothing to do with this one. Nothing,

538
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.239
nothing, nothing, super different,
super different. That' s why

539
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:29.480
I always tell people when they'
re there, maybe I say look at

540
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:30.719
this fourth Dynasty thing. It'
s like going to another planet. Then

541
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.159
we see the other Egypt, the
normal one that has a lot of symbolism,

542
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.760
magic and is very beautiful and such, but perhaps Niguel understands it.

543
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:43.119
No, not really weird, it' s one thing, it' s

544
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.679
not a super crazy thing. I
think that as many times as we go

545
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:52.239
there, we will always be amazed
by its mystery. We will always think

546
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.559
that well, that it is a
message in stone, the most important in

547
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:58.719
history and that we have not been
able to decipher it. And already,

548
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:04.519
as a last question about this,
what do you think of that relationship not

549
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.440
only of the pyramids of ancient Egypt, with beings coming from the stars that

550
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:15.400
were known as the sensu or and
that ruled for six thousand years as the

551
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:16.440
same pharaohs. And so the Turin
papyrus says, Not that I say,

552
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:21.719
well, it' s in an
official Egyptian document. It' s true

553
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.800
in this papyrus you mention the Letuirin. There are three great periods of history,

554
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.519
the period of the reign of the
gods, the intermediate period of the

555
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:37.639
reign of the honors and then the
period of men. Of course we are

556
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.119
a followers of orus. It was
a kind of hybrid between gods and man,

557
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:47.320
but there is not much data about
them. Of course official archaeology says

558
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:54.360
from this date we take it as
historical. But behind it is not to

559
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:58.719
say gods and it is in his
honor not valid, but all is in

560
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.639
the same papyrus, that is,
as it can be, and all are

561
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:07.239
with those with very precise times of
reign, such God, so long,

562
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.639
what is there, what happens with
these followers of Horus. There' s

563
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:17.079
some kind of hybridization between gods and
men. There' s a controversy that

564
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:22.239
I' m not 100% sure
is real. Well, I' ve

565
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:30.119
heard this, and of course we
can' t know it either, and

566
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.320
it says that many kings of Egypt
had one kind of blood, the rarest

567
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.719
in the world, the negative bird. Of course, if this were so,

568
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.079
because it' s zero comma two
percent of the world' s population.

569
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:45.920
If this were so, what a
strange coincidence and fit much with the

570
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:51.920
perpetuation of blue blood, as they
say no of kings who should not or

571
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:57.760
should keep that pure and real blood. I don' t know what you

572
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.119
think about it, because I'
m not 100% sure, since I

573
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.079
haven' t seen any study of
it. Let' s see this,

574
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.320
this is crazy. For the following, I do tell you the key here

575
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.320
what you say how in an official
Egyptian document you tell me up to three

576
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.239
thousand hundred and fifty before Christ,
that we do not even know clearly what

577
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.559
the name of the first Pharaoh is, because it appears with two names.

578
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:22.039
In some places he appears as Narmer
and in others as Menes. And then

579
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.239
the archaeologists said well, because I
skipped the problem and never mind Narmes and

580
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:32.199
mene in Armer and Meneze is the
same wave There' s that to start

581
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.239
with the problem, as I jumped
it for Narmer and Mene is the same

582
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:40.760
guy worth perfect. I give it
to you as valid, but yeah,

583
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:47.320
back and forth. That' s
there for literature and it' s very

584
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.920
curious because those sensuor are also called
the resplendent ones. Yes, right,

585
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:58.039
that' s because they say they
emitted light and such and further describe that

586
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:02.840
time of history as if they were
needed by them, because besides Orud'

587
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:09.119
s children were the sons of Seth
Ojo and the followers of Seth those were

588
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:14.079
more evil, but bad bad.
It' s like a kind of war

589
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:17.880
between angels and demons. In other
words, what we are told about this

590
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:22.599
period of history, of which there
is very little data, as you have

591
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.719
said except that which I am commenting
on And then, if they insist that

592
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:31.440
those sensuor were protectors of men,
because there were followers of thirst and there

593
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:36.159
had been a very important war between
Orus and Seth, which is the devil

594
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:40.519
for people who do not know giptology. And it' s all very crazy

595
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:45.480
and if it gives rise to thought, even as the ancient Sumerian texts say,

596
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.719
the Anuma Ellis, which you know
much more about than I do.

597
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:53.320
Another day we can do an interview
on reptilian and all that. But in

598
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.760
that Anuma Ellis it is clear that
he tells us of those anun here that

599
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:00.239
come down from the faithful to the
earth and there are good ones, if

600
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:05.679
there are bad ones and between them
they fight and such and this is like

601
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:08.280
a kind of Egyptian version, but
of which we do not have so much

602
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:09.119
data, because in the number Ellis
and other texts it is Sumerian. If

603
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:14.679
there' s data, let'
s say from that battle, but it

604
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:15.639
makes us think of some kind of
hybridization. But let' s see if

605
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.880
that' s what the Bible says, copy it from the Ellis Numa,

606
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:23.480
the Sumerius and indeed on the Ellis
numa, that is, the Bible copies

607
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:28.159
the Ellis Anuma, because what the
Ellis numa says, that text of creation

608
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:34.599
is so extremely important that its echo
is repeated in the different cultures that in

609
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:39.079
the Middle East for thousands of years
and religion there, for example, ended

610
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:44.119
up being Judaism and Christianity. That' s why it' s in the

611
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:50.519
Bible. We are talking to Iván
Martínez, the Anuma Ellis, about that

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text of creation that tells us about
when the Anunaki come to earth and they

613
00:50:55.480 --> 00:51:00.440
are here and mix even with men, as the Bible says, when he

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00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:06.119
comments that the angels mated with the
most beautiful women and the interview Iban Martínez

615
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:12.840
continues like this and made us in
his image and likeness more clear the water

616
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:20.400
to see. The Nome Ellis says
many things that are parallel to the Bible,

617
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.159
especially when he talks about how man
was made out of the blood and

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00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:30.280
mud of a good god. He
wasn' t a god, he was

619
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:31.599
an anunak named King Woo. But
you have to tell people that eduma Ellis

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00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:36.559
is not a sub- text.
It' s an Akkadian text. I

621
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.679
mean, first there were the sobs
and then the akkadians. The Akkadians.

622
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:46.360
When they took the legacy of the
somedios, they saw the submediate tables and

623
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:50.760
said this what it says here.
They couldn' t read the cuneiform.

624
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:55.519
They had to invent a cuneiform easier
than the Sumerian in order to create the

625
00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:01.159
new mythology that was directed to the
germ of the Mount, because Marduk appeared

626
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:07.719
for the first time with the fifty
names of Marduk, as giving him more

627
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:12.440
power than the other gods who in
their average were all equal, were sometimes

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00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.880
invisible to the human eye and carefully
before the Sumerian. In the protosumeria,

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00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:22.440
in the settlements of Oba to Bite
are the only representations with a reptilian aspect.

630
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.360
In fact, there' s a
very famous, a statue that I

631
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:32.480
think took her for a long day
where you see a reptile nursing a reptile

632
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:38.519
mammal being a very rare thing,
but only in Protosumedia, on its average.

633
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:45.320
Then in Acádios, in the Babylonians, in the Hittites, the Anunaki

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00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:51.920
gods were transformed into beings with a
huge beard into human beings, because I

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00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:57.400
suspect that if there was contact with
aliens, it was in protosumedia. It

636
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:01.639
was a very brief contact, perhaps
that had a full impact on the unconscious

637
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:06.320
of society at the time. But
the so mediums no longer saw those gods,

638
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.639
they did not arrive, neither the
Akkadians nor others humanized them. But

639
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:16.159
that is another gigantic issue of sound
culture. And besides, I recommend your

640
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:20.199
big mystery channel, because you have
a lot of videos of this. I

641
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.519
think you have as much as a
three- hour documentary, where a documentary

642
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:25.719
took me two years to do it. People don' t know that,

643
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:34.159
because I tried to say look at
the version of Cecarias and chin is completely

644
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:38.880
invented. They are all dialogues and
there are no dialogues in the omedia tablets.

645
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:45.440
And I tried to find five linguists, compare their texts, their translations,

646
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:49.760
and realized that they give them.
One of them was Federicolada, Peinado

647
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.800
de la Complutense de Madrid, a
professor of those who know the most about

648
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:59.360
the world. I would say that
he taught and that well, when he

649
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.719
could not translate to something of the
tablets, he put unreadable word for destruction

650
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:07.320
or deterioration, that is, it
was genuine and clear the story was totally

651
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:12.159
different. If he has invented many
things, neither virus does not appear in

652
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.840
secondary texts. It appears once in
texts here to God as the polar and

653
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:20.000
good star. But I' m
just getting out of it. This is

654
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.800
a very big issue and it doesn' t give anything that. Another day

655
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:27.320
we' ll give you an interview, it' ll bother you, and

656
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:28.280
I' ll give you an interview
about that. No, but it'

657
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:32.519
s great that you tell him about
one thing, because maybe that contact that

658
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:37.039
was in ancient Sumeria was the same
contact that there was at the same time

659
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:42.599
in Egypt. That' s why
we' re talking about the sensuor thousands

660
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.440
of years ago. And that'
s the possibility, because in addition,

661
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:52.079
in Egypt we see a technology that
we feel is completely impossible, that is,

662
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:53.119
theory of how the great pyramid was
made. You have this which you

663
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:58.800
want to make none, absolutely none, that if the ramp system has already

664
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.360
passed into history, then a lever
oma, now they tell us about a

665
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:06.119
pulley system to another type. He
made it up, he came up with

666
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:07.280
it. It was a theme that
was with water and his life very beautiful.

667
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.800
Everything remains graphics without papers but love
a great pyramid and then I believe

668
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:16.400
you worth it then it' s
very complex. But this story of those

669
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:20.880
gods who lived side by side with
us and who in Egypt, for example,

670
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:24.800
even ruled as in the sense,
is very clear. It is very

671
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.559
clear in the texts in a very
old time. And that' s why

672
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:32.239
what we have left is kind of
a memory of what you said. That

673
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.920
is, because in the Ubai culture
of seven thousand years ago, in the

674
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:43.039
archaeological settlement of Harmond appear these figures
of reptiles avantando men, which is a

675
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.440
crazy and very rare thing, but
crazy and also, with the head of

676
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:52.760
deformed olicocephalus, as the pharaohs did
or as it has been done in many

677
00:55:52.800 --> 00:56:00.159
places to resemble the gods, but
it was a long time ago. That

678
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:04.199
is why what remains is a memory, but it was so shocking that that

679
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.960
memory is becoming a legend so that
society can understand that these sacred beings lived

680
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:15.440
with us. And, well,
Egypt has a thousand stories like that and

681
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:17.719
a thousand more enig like that.
I' m very passionate about Egypt.

682
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.239
People know that. Now, in
September I' m taking another author'

683
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:27.840
s trip now and again I'
m going to ask to keep bringing in

684
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:29.039
more riddles, not that I'
m going to solve any. I ask

685
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.280
you, bro comes up more than
clear. It' s not possible.

686
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:36.960
Yeah, that' s impossible.
Hey, there' s a place in

687
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.480
your book that I' ve never
read about before. I have no knowledge,

688
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:45.719
it' s Calanis, in Scotland. What is there in Calanis,

689
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:50.920
how are those ruins of Calanis,
They are like a kind of Stonehays of

690
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.400
monoliths describe online and why it took
your curiosity to investigate this place and how

691
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:02.719
important it is The calanis stor is
a place of legend, it is like

692
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:09.199
being inside the artistic myths, but
now it is very interesting because it is

693
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:16.920
the other Stone Heads. The calanis
Stones are flat stones of two meters,

694
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:24.119
two and a half meters that make
concentric circles and seen from above you see

695
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:30.639
that they are like clocks, watches
for their alignment with the solstices and equinoxes,

696
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:35.719
as they pass perfectly through a series
of indexes. The sun when solstice

697
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:40.039
or equinox arrives in stone Heads,
it happens the same. But it'

698
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:45.400
s interesting there because around the Calanis
Stones, about 500 meters away, there

699
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:52.280
' s another one. There are
three complexes that make up that kind of

700
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:57.559
clock It is very interesting because being
there you see those stones, flat and

701
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:04.079
pointed is that they are very striking
when you do it, that they seem

702
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:07.000
a much higher riddle than that of
Stonheads in terms of the first visual impact.

703
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.239
Then what there is is different and
it tells us how very ancient peoples

704
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:17.599
had some kind of art or knowledge
initiatory wisdom to work the stone and align

705
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:23.519
it with the stars, a kind
of cult of the stars that we see

706
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:29.199
as one of the star temples that
we have good there in Scotland. In

707
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:34.400
fact, the megalithic cult is distributed
not only throughout Europe, but throughout the

708
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.760
world in general, and it is
always like making the earth acupuncture with those

709
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:46.760
megalithic monuments. Very interesting and what
a good reflection you have said in the

710
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:52.480
end is how to make a kind
of acupuncture to the earth that connects us

711
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.039
to the stars. There' s
one element that I think we can'

712
00:58:55.280 --> 00:59:01.599
t lose sight of is what kind
of xamanic rituals would be done there and

713
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:06.800
here to open doors to the hereafter, to talk to what went away with

714
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.800
the dead or to talk to the
gods who were in the stars. There

715
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:20.360
are some books I' ve been
good at reading recently about something they call

716
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:23.920
a dream incubation ritual. It is
very interesting the incubation of dreams, because

717
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:32.280
it tells us how the caves or
the big pinks or monoliths altered in some

718
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:39.199
electromagnetic form of the human brain and
allowed that, through rituals, by itself,

719
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:45.920
rituals of alteration of consciousness, they
can have very lucid dreams that for

720
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.320
them was the contact with the gods
seems very interesting to me. I don

721
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:51.719
' t remember the author of the
book. I think it was something kings,

722
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:58.039
kings the last name. No,
and that' s very curious,

723
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:02.760
because going to a place where your
consciousness through dreams can connect with other realities,

724
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.519
since dreams according to this last one
of consciousness I see it very important

725
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:12.559
And it is that, maybe you
have to think that these places, like

726
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:16.760
bobekiltepe the great pyramid of Calanis,
that I didn' t know him,

727
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:22.920
are places where men could keep talking
to the gods, that is, they

728
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:25.880
were a telephone to talk to the
gods. What happens is that we have

729
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:30.800
forgotten how the number is marked through
those hamanic rituals, that kind of dreams,

730
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:38.519
that kind of experiences that made us
closer to the sacred. But an

731
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:44.079
unpleasant concept that is not like the
one we have today, that goes to

732
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:46.360
one and prays and does penance or
whatever you want and such, but was

733
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:52.599
like much more lived, from my
point of view, all those rituals that

734
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:58.760
were in ancient times. And I
think, besides, as with Celtic culture,

735
01:00:59.239 --> 01:01:01.599
there was nothing left, because everything
was destroyed. And besides, there

736
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:06.280
aren' t even texts from the
Celts that would tell us what those rituals

737
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.760
were like, because it' s
oral tradition, but it' s already

738
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:12.159
very deformed. We don' t
really know what was going on there.

739
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.639
A mystery, because in the case
of the Celts were absorbed by a lot

740
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:23.519
of other cultures and in fact,
we also have it in Catholicism. Not

741
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:30.000
a bit like an absorption of pagan
cults, ancient Celtics that were transformed simply

742
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:35.440
to destroy that culture, that faith
that. That has happened many times not

743
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:37.960
men and symbols as curious as the
Celtic cross slide, which is simply the

744
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:42.000
circle with which they worshiped the gods
put a cross in the middle of it

745
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:45.679
already and there you are. This
is sacred to everyone, so we don

746
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:50.440
' t fight. Ready. It' s like very funny and you see

747
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:55.320
some rosabelue that the circle around the
cross and the cross itself has pagan Celtic

748
01:01:55.320 --> 01:02:04.199
symbol. It' s super crazy, man It' s in that It

749
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:06.599
' s a very funny thing.
Listen I' m going to ask you

750
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:08.920
about another place I' ve never
been and see that I feel like and

751
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:14.440
I' ve read and it'
s Malta, and I think Malta does,

752
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:21.199
which contains a lot of tremendous mysteries, because there are places there like

753
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:23.679
Alsa Fieni, which are how we
explain what Halsafieni or Gigantia is like.

754
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:30.719
They were giants and it' s
clear that I was never in Malta.

755
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:37.000
They were like great places of worship, but they were made like temples,

756
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:40.000
that much of the temples are underground
and so and worships were done there.

757
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.400
But we haven' t had any
text left in history, because we'

758
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:51.559
re talking about five thousand years ago, if not worse, what your experience

759
01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:57.559
in Marta was. Here you were
researching there Ivan, in Malta. I

760
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:00.719
' ve been doing a lot of
things. First, looking for the car

761
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:07.239
roots, which are marks on the
rock that look like car marks. That

762
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:09.039
' s why the name. But
it' s a mystery, because they

763
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:13.519
intersect each other, get into the
sea, don' t know what they

764
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:16.880
were used for. I was in
the hypogeum, too. Lipogeo is a

765
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:22.679
tremendous story, because it was discovered
by chance in the reforms and there is

766
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:29.039
a giant gallery. Well, they' re not a lot of tunnels in

767
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:31.000
themselves, at least those that let
you see. But it is very interesting

768
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:36.119
the hypogeum of Malta, because first
it has been found in a lot of

769
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:40.920
skeletons, in the darkness of those
caverns, skeletons with dolicocephalus skulls and you

770
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:45.920
go in there and you see it
have a newspaper cut framed in the very

771
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:53.920
enclosure of Malta, where you see
alien skulls alien schools put very striking,

772
01:03:54.239 --> 01:04:00.280
very striking that, but the interesting
thing is that at the bottom of the

773
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:05.599
hypogeum there is a hole in the
wall and the studies that were made on

774
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:12.679
the sound was that it bounced the
sound to a very specific frequency that affected

775
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:17.639
the human brain and it came to
theorize that in that hole in the wall

776
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:19.960
there were ritual chants to enter into
States sautéed of consciousness. As we used

777
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:26.960
to talk about incubation of dreams and
there was found a very famous statue of

778
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:31.079
a mother goddess. I think the
oldest cults that exist on Earth are two,

779
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:39.400
the mother venus or goddesses and the
snake cult. But the thing is,

780
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.719
well, there' s a whole
gigantic riddle. Then I was also

781
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:47.480
in the temples of Agarching, for
example, I was in a lot of

782
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:53.599
temples because there are many and they
are very well built, megalithic and that

783
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.360
without equal megalithic as large stone,
as if it were a Stonehings, but

784
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:02.000
covered, which has an exact ceiling
like a covered stenge, but full of

785
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:09.239
spirals, like the symbol par excellence, spirals that well, in the hypogeum

786
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:13.119
the spirals were painted, but they
were red, but good. I was

787
01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:16.559
in agar Kim, I was in
Gigantija to go there. You had to

788
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:21.000
take a boat because I think it
was on the island of Gozo and Gigantija.

789
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:27.000
Well, they' re tremendously big
rocks that you don' t know

790
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:31.039
very well how they can be made, but I looked, approaching the House

791
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:38.960
all over the rock, that were
filled with small marine fossils, there were

792
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:43.800
a lot of conchitas, there were
a lot of fossilized marine animals and you

793
01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:45.480
can see in the video that I
made clear. The big question of the

794
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:54.280
island of Malta is that in the
Hill Sea there are other temples and perhaps

795
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:59.360
thousands of years ago, because they
are before the pyramids of Egypt, perhaps

796
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:03.400
in the Mediterranean Sea there was a
culture that extended to the island of Sardinia,

797
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:10.760
where we have an average cigüity and
there are ancient texts that speak of

798
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:15.039
a Sumerian expedition that stayed in Sardinia, changed the language of Sardinia and left

799
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:19.639
a cigüity. But, well,
that' s a different subject. The

800
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:26.480
fact is that all this relates to
a megalithic cult of the Mediterranean and Malta

801
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:30.920
is one of the tests. But
it extends even in Valencia. There are

802
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:35.159
carruts. I remember in Ayora I
didn' t anayo was. I don

803
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:42.239
' t know if it was the
Pedai Carruch people in Valencia, how crazy

804
01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:44.719
I had absolutely no idea. Listen
to the subject of Malta. I think

805
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:45.360
it' s a few things I' ve read about. I haven'

806
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:48.599
t had the luck, like you
being there. One, the subject of

807
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:54.000
the hypogeum, this famous Calzacieni,
because besides, those crane, those skulls

808
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:59.480
that are spoken of as extraterrestrials,
have a particularity and is that we,

809
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.320
here, at the front of the
skull, have good, because they are

810
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:09.079
we have a series of bones that
are growing and so I don' t

811
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:12.400
know what it' s called interaccipital
lines. Well, we have some lines

812
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.840
between the bones there so our skull
can grow. Those skulls didn' t

813
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:20.280
have it, they didn' t
have it. That' s weird Those

814
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:26.000
skulls don' t have those cracks
so our bones can grow. They'

815
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:29.559
re stuck there in a warehouse that
can' t be seen or anything,

816
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:34.519
unless they ask the Maltel Government for
permission, and I don' t know

817
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:38.480
if they' ve ever had any
adn studies or anything. But that'

818
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:42.920
s a super crazy thing. And
then, in addition, the theme of

819
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.159
Gigantia, which looks like a temple
for giants with colossal stones and sizes with

820
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:50.920
them comes out completely absurd. All
in that place of a megalithic culture of

821
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:55.760
many thousands of years ago, where
these mother goddesses appear and where the snake

822
01:07:55.880 --> 01:08:00.760
gods are referred to, because in
the temple of Halsa Fiere it is said

823
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:05.079
that there was a serpent priest who
cured human beings. Alexander Bernal wanted to

824
01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:09.840
comment with that one of the mysteries
that has fascinated me all the more about

825
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:14.440
Malta is that of a mythical creature
of the Silf Hoon who, according to

826
01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:20.439
some experts, would be a huge
like a kind of sea monster who was

827
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:25.119
able to devour people who lived in
the south of the island of Malta.

828
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:30.159
There is an important 18th century clergyman, Thanashuws Kirchner, who in fact dared

829
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:34.039
to say that he saw one of
these mythical creatures stranded on one of the

830
01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:38.720
shores of the island of Malta.
And since then, John ge Ivan and

831
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:43.600
listeners have speculated a lot about whether
it would perhaps be a species to this

832
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:50.399
day unclassified. This sithun appears even
in cartography drawings of centuries ago on the

833
01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:55.039
island of Malta Iuan You what do
you think about it. This silfun would

834
01:08:55.279 --> 01:09:00.560
perhaps be an uncategorized species, or
a sea monster or something strange. There

835
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:05.039
' s something very strange about sea
monsters all over Scotland, because of course,

836
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:12.119
you see the mythical famous photo of
nesy of the Lagonese monster and you

837
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:16.199
can say good they invented a legend, because not totally wrong. Before that

838
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:21.960
photo, before the Lagonese, there
is a tremendous casuistic of sea monsters in

839
01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:28.159
different lakes. Each lake has its
monster, of course, older than the

840
01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:31.319
photo is and all the boom of
the Lagonese monster. It makes me think

841
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:40.640
that there was some kind of plesiosaudius
who resisted the catastrophes of our eras and

842
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:47.000
that, well he could have offspring
and move around Scotland, because there are

843
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:57.199
many ancient legends. I remember it
was a boat where there was a kind

844
01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:01.680
of monk who met a sea monster
and said a few words in God'

845
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:05.279
s name or something. I do
not remember the story well and that remained

846
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:12.439
in posterity within the biblical legends,
good biblical, within the legends of a

847
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:17.239
priest who finds the strange. Of
course, mythology is tremendous. I think

848
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:24.600
there' s some marine cryptozoology,
good marine. Let' s see they

849
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:26.600
' re in lakes, but also
in the sea. Yeah, yeah,

850
01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:30.880
yeah, it' s not super, it' s super crazy It'

851
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:35.760
s okay for these beings to show
up And, above all, apart from

852
01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:41.079
Scotland, I didn' t know
that data that you said appeared on the

853
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:45.359
island of Malta, where there are
a number of riddles that have taken us

854
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:49.520
thousands of years ago, where they
also place us in those star temples,

855
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:56.079
in connection with the gods and of
which we know very little, and also,

856
01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:56.760
with those skulls that really look like
beings from other worlds. Hey,

857
01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:59.600
in your book, we got,
like, ten minutes of interview in your

858
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:03.199
book, it looks like a theme. I find it fascinating that you relate

859
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:08.279
it to these star temples, because
you have a chapter in which you talk

860
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:13.319
about modern star temples today, modern
star temples. And there we are going

861
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:15.720
to surprise him, because there are
temples that have been made today and some

862
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:25.479
of them even with prophetic messages,
stellar temples in ancient times that marked the

863
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:31.159
history of men and now others that
continue to challenge us. But if you

864
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.880
want to know about this, you
miss the interview with Iván Martínez that continues

865
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:42.079
ah Yes, like things that relate
us to the stars and in this part

866
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:46.239
of your book tell us about the
guiding stone of Georgia, that these are

867
01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:51.279
stones that appeared in Georgia with a
series of tremendously cryptic messages that then someone

868
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:56.640
charged them, that I am not
very clear why those stones were loaded.

869
01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:00.640
I don' t know if you
were there or you put it simply because

870
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:02.199
it' s an ennio that you' re passionate about and that' s

871
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:06.640
a challenge for you look. It
was just when I wrote that chapter,

872
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:12.319
when the news showed that they bombed
and destroyed them, and I say how

873
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:19.560
this can be more synchronicidal. Yes
and clear are modern stone temples. For

874
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:26.199
one thing, from the mystery of
full Canelli and the mystery of cathedrals,

875
01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:33.920
we know that the great masons built
cathedrals used the same concepts as the megalithic

876
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:43.439
alignment of ancient times as an initiatic
method. That is to say, great

877
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:50.119
cathedrals or modern constructions try to imitate
the sacred knowledge of antiquity because within Freemasonry

878
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:56.600
it was a kind of seal that
they themselves gave themselves as great builders.

879
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:03.239
And of course, the full Caneli
thing is a mystery, but in the

880
01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:08.760
case of Georgia' s stones,
this was a mysterious figure who one day

881
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:15.560
came there and ordered a stoneman to
build these stones with commandments or phrases in

882
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:19.359
different languages and became very famous,
because, well, after turning off a

883
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:27.119
million dollars and disappearing the letters or
commandments that said these stones, it was

884
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:32.960
to keep the world population at less
than a percentage. That is why they

885
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:39.880
became famous as the stones of the
Illuminati in name to good those perfectionists.

886
01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:45.560
No and well, I don'
t know very well why they planted bombs

887
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:49.840
back then when I wrote the book
and completely loaded Georgia' s famous stones.

888
01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:54.920
An unsolved mystery is that it'
s a very crazy thing. For

889
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:58.000
example, they put this in a
thousand nine hundred and eighty. The guy

890
01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:00.840
who orders them and you post a
message doesn' t know who it was.

891
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:04.840
It is also necessary to buy the
land the stone. I' m

892
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:11.039
looking here in the photo itself and
such were huge. They were tremendous monoliths

893
01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:16.760
full of completely cryptic messages and we
don' t know who took it or

894
01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:20.039
why. So, I just don' t understand any of this. Uncle

895
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:27.439
nothing, Alexander Bernal Ange, is
that the message that these guiding stones of

896
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:31.560
Georgia had said the following, to
keep humanity less than five hundred million in

897
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:38.720
perpetual balance with nature, to wisely
guide reproduction, improving the condition and diversity

898
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:42.920
of humanity, to unite humanity with
a new living language, to govern passion,

899
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.680
faith and tradition and all things with
tempered reason, as iván Te very

900
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:55.119
well said. It suggests that it
clearly seems like a guide, a series

901
01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:59.359
of morning precepts, precisely in the
United States and Corrijo decided to keep humanity

902
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:05.000
to less than five hundred billion.
And besides, he has ideas about Eugenesia,

903
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:10.960
because, as you well said,
it seems that what they want is

904
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.920
to try to control the world birth
rate. But, in fact, I

905
01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:18.800
don' t know if you knew, but at the CIA facility they had

906
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:25.159
to build a mini stone heads with
a lot of letters inside the cryptography,

907
01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:30.840
leaving some messages that few have deciphered
very interesting. They call it cryptex or

908
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:36.960
cryptos. Of that I had no
idea there was a ministon hats in the

909
01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:44.199
CIA, and the director ordered it
to be built so that there was someone

910
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:47.199
who could solve the riddle. And
three messages. They have discovered two over

911
01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:51.800
the years, but the great message
only comes out when they discover the three

912
01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:59.279
and they are giant cylinders, made
of iron and silver with lots of letters

913
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:04.439
that have a code message, and
the biggest cryptographers within the CIA tried to

914
01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:11.479
solve them unsuccessfully and there were mysterious
figures that were independent, which deciphered it

915
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:16.920
into all different mystery. But it
enters into the catalog of modern megalithic monuments.

916
01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:23.560
But not only modern megalithic monument,
but like that ancient message that we

917
01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:29.239
were talking about pyramids, that has
Calanis or becliy Tepe and so suddenly there

918
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:32.239
would be as a group calls the
sects or whatever, as were the illuminatis,

919
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:38.000
that illuminati, for people who have
never heard of this. It was

920
01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:41.560
simply a Masonic group that was born
in Bavaria, that carried a lord named

921
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:46.920
Adam Waysehout and that these people really
changed the world because they were behind the

922
01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:50.279
birth of the French Republic and the
birth of the United States of America,

923
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:55.199
which are the first two modern democracy
in history. And this thing I'

924
01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:59.760
m talking about, redundancy, it' s history. They' re done

925
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:00.359
different things and then they' re
back or they' re not. But

926
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:05.079
this kind of thing, like the
stones of Georgia, which have done certain

927
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:09.800
Masonic groups and so does make us
think that, maybe there are people who

928
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:14.960
might have a series of data and
knowledge that the rest of us don'

929
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:17.680
t have. But from time to
time they put this kind of thing to

930
01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:23.760
us, like Georgia' s guiding
stones, so that the one who quite

931
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:30.880
understand few words missing is able to
reach a cryptic message that the vast majority

932
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:36.039
of humanity does not know or know. Hey ivan I want to comment now

933
01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:44.119
with you, as a little minutitos
are missing well, the new Boom in

934
01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:45.680
archaeology worldwide. I don' t
know if you' ve been to me.

935
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:50.359
I would love to go that it
is a padan in Indonesia, because

936
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:57.960
just a few months ago a group
of scientists from Indonesia demonstrated with tests of

937
01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:01.439
geor radas not only that the base
of the pyramid of with a padam has

938
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:05.439
three cameras where everything is to be
investigated and that we do not know what

939
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:13.640
its content is, but that it
would also have the barbarity of thirty thousand

940
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:15.920
years old. You heard me well. I wasn' t wrong in this

941
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:20.359
is a rat thirty thousand years old. Watch out for this which is a

942
01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:26.079
place where In addition, today they
continue to become hidden. People in the

943
01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:30.039
area are going to do healing rituals
at the base of the pyramid Today what

944
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.760
they think of Goodun Pann and if
this is going to be a new paradigm,

945
01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:36.960
like Gobe Clydepe and maybe, we
have to start looking at Asia differently,

946
01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:43.039
at different places, because this can
change history, because it does look.

947
01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:51.159
At the end of my book there
is a small chapter of star temples

948
01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:56.439
that I have not visited. It' s a very small chapter at the

949
01:18:56.520 --> 01:19:01.039
end and mentioned with a clear para, the same thing that was Gobegli Tepe

950
01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:04.800
for the Sumedia, for the old
its mean, like rewriting the story,

951
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:09.640
because now we have the same thing
again. Gn a Parang will really be

952
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:13.279
what will make the gobergliy get you
not the oldest thing within the constructions that

953
01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:19.199
require, as a type of technology
and knowledge, because of course it is

954
01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:27.279
not the same a megalithic temple lost
from three hundred years ago as a construction

955
01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:32.359
that has to be measured with perhaps
technological knowledge. And in the case of

956
01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:36.600
Gunum Padang it has been spoken as
if it were some kind of inverted pyramid,

957
01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:43.279
like there is a series of very
old cameras and some oquities that have

958
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:48.119
not yet been discovered. Of course
I investigated this and it seems that in

959
01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:53.920
principle many people went up to pray
and didn' t know very well why,

960
01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:58.680
by oral tradition, by very old
legends, they went up and what

961
01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:01.239
they didn' t know was that
there was a huge construction underneath. The

962
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:06.000
place is very striking, because you
see large pillars scattered throughout the area,

963
01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:11.239
which are geological. It must be
said that they are natural. Well,

964
01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:15.119
100% is known, but the
most logical hypothesis that is natural, because

965
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:20.039
there are layers of rock that can
be totally normal, but they are striking.

966
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:26.720
And I think it was Graham Hancock
one of those who went to investigate

967
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:31.920
there are James exact. He fought
a lot with the government, a lot

968
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:36.319
to get that out of the air, because they didn' t want to

969
01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:36.720
know anything, they didn' t
want to make it visible, or anything.

970
01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:42.319
And in the end it seems that
it has been achieved that the goal

971
01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:46.920
archaeology hand there because they have discovered
that it is tremendously old notice and it

972
01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:53.399
is a fight between archaeology and the
most conventional science, because it is a

973
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:57.159
guy is a geologist with with a
geo Radar, which was also the one

974
01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.840
who also worked with Karajan Janko and
such that he said to see you are

975
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:02.920
digging up the top of the pyramid
I for two thousand years, but it

976
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:06.560
is that you have not made an
archaeological tasting seven meters low or ten meters

977
01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:10.800
low. Just me, with the
geo Radar, I can get to where

978
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:14.399
you don' t get to.
The cameras and the whole story are up.

979
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:19.039
I think it' s a really
exciting thing. I don' t

980
01:21:19.119 --> 01:21:23.800
know why maybe I' m crazy, but I do relate it to another

981
01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:26.680
great archaeological ening, but it'
s my turn to go Asia, which

982
01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:29.239
is my big stranger. But in
the coming years I' m going to

983
01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:32.760
make trips of authors Asia, the
caves of Lanju in China, the caves

984
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.399
of Longju, in China that are
huge caves, where there is no writing.

985
01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:43.840
Different symbols such as the dragon and
so many others appear that have been

986
01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:47.479
discovered a few years ago, that
do not appear in any ancient Chinese text,

987
01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:53.239
that we have no idea they are, but that they are gigantic.

988
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:58.279
There are some enormous, I mean
artificial caves excavated with man, for ritual

989
01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:01.439
purposes for ancient Chinese culture, but
they are not capable of dating it.

990
01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:06.680
It' s a super crazy thing. So maybe things like Anjou' s

991
01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:12.800
stuff and what' s going on
in Google a padan are going to go

992
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:19.000
to us like we have such a
Western view of how culture is born and

993
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:25.600
so on in Europe' s growing
fertile. Besides and North Africa and maybe

994
01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:30.159
we' re wrong. You have
to start looking at Asia to rewrite history.

995
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:34.439
Maybe the shots go around and we' ve never paid attention to this

996
01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:40.359
and it' s a huge barrier
to me. The West East has a

997
01:22:40.439 --> 01:22:45.600
tremendous barrier. We don' t
even know the cases of any mystery issues

998
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:48.359
that happen there. It' s
all not theirs, but it doesn'

999
01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:53.159
t come. Even the theme oven
ovni doesn' t come. It'

1000
01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:56.000
s all there to discover. Yeah, he' s not here. And

1001
01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:59.239
besides, there are certain countries like
China, which has all hyper censored.

1002
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:05.399
Hard to investigate anything or do anything
except for archaeologists, Chinese archaeologists, because

1003
01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:10.359
there are a lot of pyramids in
China that we are not even clear what

1004
01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:15.479
their function is and can not investigate
Alejandro Bernal then about the latest studies of

1005
01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:20.640
these that could have been built at
the end of the last ice age.

1006
01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:27.720
Maybe you think maybe with it'
s the vestige of another hump. Maybe.

1007
01:23:28.600 --> 01:23:31.239
Maybe it' s because, since
it' s so old from twenty

1008
01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:34.399
- five to thirty zero years,
we' d have to see how they

1009
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:42.239
could do that. They drink of
very ancient knowledge that we could relate to

1010
01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:45.600
Atlantis, that is, there was
another very advanced humanity that, by whatever

1011
01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:50.600
means, disappeared. He left there. His latest knowledge of rock, in

1012
01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:56.760
the construction of Gunummpadam, is only
hypothesis. What' s needed is to

1013
01:23:56.840 --> 01:24:01.039
open those cameras and get in there
as a researcher of that, but look

1014
01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:05.399
at gobel and tepe that years and
years go by and no one digs up,

1015
01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:09.960
because imagine there in Asia I assure
you that I was and no one

1016
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:14.880
had done anything. Except put this
dome on top and ready. There'

1017
01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:17.760
s nothing else. Hopefully, we
will continue to investigate with a padan Johnnaguni

1018
01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:23.079
that according to some underground ruins that
in Japan, because there are a series

1019
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:29.439
of elements suddenly in Asia that no
one has been able to investigate thoroughly until

1020
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:31.560
now, that archaeology is very reluctant, but that if they did not come

1021
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:35.760
out of a humanity before humanity,
a humanity that would have disappeared at best

1022
01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:41.640
in this recent dray or at some
event and from there would have begun a

1023
01:24:41.760 --> 01:24:46.039
new humanity and we forgot the previous
Ivan. We' re coming to the

1024
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:53.159
end of the interview and I could
ask you about one thing, as well,

1025
01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:54.960
because your YouTube channel is a great
mystery. It' s going super

1026
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:59.039
good. You have a community of
over a million people, and what I

1027
01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:01.680
see is me being a great-
granddaddy. I' m pretty old than

1028
01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:05.199
you' re worth. And I' ve seen the evolution of mystery journalism

1029
01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:12.000
from magazines to radio. Well,
the Boom in Spain was the radio bonus

1030
01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:15.439
with on the network being I'
m forgetting the name right now with José

1031
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:19.840
Antonio les jj Te with the literature, feran dos Jimíneess from the on television

1032
01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:26.359
and then it was magazines. Those
magazines arrived here in Latin America and were

1033
01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:31.439
very important. Year zero riddle.
Now YouTube, I think it' s

1034
01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:35.319
the biggest door that has the mystery. Let' s not fool ourselves into

1035
01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:39.600
this mystery night show, where there' s more repercussion. He' s

1036
01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:44.680
got that one on YouTube. Now
video podcast formats are emerging how to see

1037
01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:48.640
the evolution good and a lot of
characters are coming out that say good crazy

1038
01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:50.880
since you. I also say this
because of what happened the other day in

1039
01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:55.520
the Jordi Wild program, that people
know it, it became super viral and

1040
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:58.119
so that there is a series of
characters that point to this from the point

1041
01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:04.279
of view simply to steal how they
see the evolution of mystery journalism with these

1042
01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:09.159
new media and so on and with
everything that is going on, how they

1043
01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:12.319
see evolution over the next two or
three years. I think no one can

1044
01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:20.279
predict more to see. I have
to talk about how there was a legacy

1045
01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:26.920
of people before me, such as, for example, Antonio Rivera or Andreas

1046
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:31.239
Faber Kaiser, who very well treated
in his book the secret the ruins of

1047
01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:35.680
Nan Madol, which are a whole
enigma, an absolute mystery on the island,

1048
01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:40.239
where only the children saw in black
and white and that, well,

1049
01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:45.600
there were gigantic constructions under the water
where they were removed, for even a

1050
01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:49.279
mysterious silver sarcophagus. But the fact
is that with this I mean that there

1051
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:55.920
is an ancient legacy of people who
ventured to go to places, to do

1052
01:26:56.000 --> 01:27:00.319
interviews, to try to search for
the mystery in situ, as I have

1053
01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:04.439
in fact looked for, because in
these stellar temples, this I do not

1054
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:11.880
see on YouTube, this I do
not see in other researchers who simply turn

1055
01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:15.079
on a camera and speak that it
is very good, because in diversity,

1056
01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:17.359
because there is much more taste.
But the thing is, it' s

1057
01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:25.279
what people are looking for, looking
for entertainment, or really looking to dig

1058
01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:30.520
into the truth. Of course,
there are theories that are poisoning the mystery

1059
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:39.319
like terraplanism and perhaps so clearly say
Mr Mausan' s mummies. I think

1060
01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:45.520
there are a lot of topics that
try to transform mystery into something else,

1061
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:49.720
into show business, into a show, and as there are many opportunities now.

1062
01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:54.359
You turn the camera on and if
you' re lucky, because you

1063
01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:59.880
go viral, because people will be
the one who has to decide what they

1064
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:04.640
want to entertain or seek the mystery
of truth the future, in two or

1065
01:28:04.640 --> 01:28:11.479
three years, I think the mystery
will be in danger. The mystery of

1066
01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:18.079
truth is going to be much more
show than passion And well, it will

1067
01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:20.159
be, because it will be a
dark age for mystery. At least I

1068
01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:25.760
see it that way, because it' s very difficult to fight such attractive

1069
01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:30.560
ideas. How to find a cube
in the Antarctic and tell it in a

1070
01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:35.239
way that looks good someone' s
biggest film against predaton. That' s

1071
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:41.159
very attractive. People are looking to
entertain themselves, but there are people who

1072
01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:45.000
are really looking for the truth.
I think those people will be the ones

1073
01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:50.640
who find our content and see there, beyond. What you said seems super

1074
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:56.840
wise to me in the sense.
I' m now going to post a

1075
01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:00.439
video on my YouTube channel about that. It' s fine in shadow ocultural.

1076
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:05.399
It reminds me to a certain extent
of what is happening now. I

1077
01:29:05.479 --> 01:29:11.399
hope I' m wrong as when
in Spain, here people in Latin America

1078
01:29:11.439 --> 01:29:14.840
don' t dimension it. You
remember when you started making junk TV and

1079
01:29:14.920 --> 01:29:19.079
completely absurd characters came out, ridiculing
the mystery. And I remember once this

1080
01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:23.800
was like in the year ninety-
eight ninety- nine, a talk I

1081
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:27.880
had with Fernando Jiménez de Roso,
may he rest in peace that for people

1082
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:30.439
who don' t know him,
he was a well- known person in

1083
01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:36.000
Spain and Latin America and he called
me Vallejito. Never sell your image because

1084
01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:39.319
they' re going to give you
back then It was a money. Okay,

1085
01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:44.319
they' re going to give you
a thousand euros to go to a

1086
01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:46.239
debate and so to sit down with
a bunch of characters that are completely ridiculous.

1087
01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:48.359
You' re gonna screw up your
image. Your image, it'

1088
01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:53.359
s gonna get screwed. You'
re already eating from your image or the

1089
01:29:53.479 --> 01:29:57.359
story is and I' m taking
a lot of Fernando' s reflection or

1090
01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:01.000
what you just did. You in
the sense that effectively, you take a

1091
01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:09.600
tremendously fantastic story and the account that
seems to be consensual and that grabs an

1092
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:15.800
absurd virality. And that gives people
money. It used to be the junk

1093
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:19.079
and now it' s all the
networks and YouTube and twitch and so on.

1094
01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:23.840
And all this, because they go
in there and I think there'

1095
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:25.760
s going to be a lot of
opportunist that will do it. You wanted

1096
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:30.119
to comment. I do that in
the end these kinds of attitudes what it

1097
01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:34.000
does is put more doors to mystery
and close them, because people from the

1098
01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:36.359
outside will say good. They'
re a bunch of crazy people. They

1099
01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:42.119
' re all the same, but
it' s not when they put us

1100
01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:46.119
in the same sack that people have
more doors, that is, I see

1101
01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:51.800
it, as well as they close
your vision to the particular thing when you

1102
01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:57.039
see it as a whole already stained
by these things, but well, very

1103
01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.039
complicated, well, yes, well, we have to keep doing our thing

1104
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:05.319
to our work, Thank God,
the Three are doing very well to keep

1105
01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:09.640
going around and ready and all these
things that come up, because the worst

1106
01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:12.279
thing is that you' re right, is that the next few years are

1107
01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:15.680
going to happen more, because as
they have become so viral, there are

1108
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:16.239
going to be people who get into
the opportunism of this sheath. But well,

1109
01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:20.680
well, gentlemen, we have already
reached the end of the interview and

1110
01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:25.920
super recommended the book The Enigma of
Iván Martínez' s Star Temples. You

1111
01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:30.680
' ve got it all over the
continent. Here you can buy it through

1112
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:33.720
Amazon, very easy. And Ivan
wants to have some conclusion and some closure

1113
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:39.560
for dinner, for closing or for
dinner I was wrong already thinking about lunch

1114
01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:43.960
time, he wants to tell you
some comment for your social networks your YouTube

1115
01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:48.920
channel called Big Mystery. Nothing.
Just grateful for this talk. I'

1116
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:55.000
ve been very comfortable with you and
well, I hope you repeat the next

1117
01:31:55.039 --> 01:32:01.680
insurance friend, a hug and thank
you so much. Anyway, and we

1118
01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:05.000
' ve ended up talking about a
topic that' s topical, that'

1119
01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:09.039
s what' s happening on YouTube
with the mystery issues. I think it

1120
01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:13.560
was because of the debate that Jordi
Wild did with a guy named Mr.

1121
01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:17.960
Tartaria, who does not mention me
directly, but there was a Spanish journalist

1122
01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:24.720
there in Bogotá and such a stupid
and good thing, because to see the

1123
01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:27.439
media change and everything changes. You' ve got a YouTube channel that'

1124
01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:30.720
s mandrating the mystery. I have
one hidden behind the shadow, where you

1125
01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:33.920
also give me a hand. And
well, on our YouTube channels we have

1126
01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:36.880
topics that maybe, well, we
think they can' t get in here

1127
01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:40.560
or that it' s not right
for them to get in here. Or

1128
01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:43.520
Alejandro, who has more time,
isn' t like me who' s

1129
01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:47.000
made a mess, because you put
a lot of news on your YouTube channel

1130
01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:53.439
on Mandragon to mysteriut. But yes, it' s true that with this

1131
01:32:53.479 --> 01:33:00.680
YouTube- Tiktok network thing and so
a whole series of people are appearing that

1132
01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:03.560
yes, as they tell a very
fantastic story that seems to be consensual because

1133
01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:09.239
that' s that it' s
brutal, not apart from currents like terraplanism

1134
01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:11.600
and that kind of thing, that' s the belief already in the meth

1135
01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:15.079
that everyone believes what they want.
But also that many of those people sell

1136
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:18.920
machines that happened to them is that
this is ridiculous to a contact of theirs,

1137
01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:27.000
Nicola Tesla or super absurd and naked
things in the game. Yeah,

1138
01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:31.279
or what we were saying to Evan
Martinez in the interview. No, no,

1139
01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:34.840
I wanted to make a YouTube make- up channel, but the mystery

1140
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:39.279
works better for me. Well you' re interested all your life, all

1141
01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:42.159
your life. So why do you
think, Alejandro, then Juan, that

1142
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:46.319
to me what scares me the most
about this type of characters and this phenomenon

1143
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:49.800
that you very well describe, they
use it if these characters, because I

1144
01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:56.720
have always known, You know that
always did not have that diffusion. What

1145
01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:00.800
worries me are the groups and sects, the groups of thought that those islands

1146
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:05.600
that arise around these characters, that
defend them to capable of sword almost as

1147
01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:10.039
if they were politicians, that is, they are going to favor it,

1148
01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:15.279
they are not able to analyze their
discourses, their messages from a critical point

1149
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:20.079
of view. They really become almost
a leader, a political leader. And

1150
01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:24.560
that and that seems very dangerous to
me juange because to me it seems good

1151
01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:28.359
that there are all kinds of ideas, that is to say, whatever you

1152
01:34:28.439 --> 01:34:32.560
want, that you say, that
you try to argue it, but that

1153
01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:39.760
these kinds of people who fanatize with
that kind of messages tend to clash with

1154
01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:43.920
other kinds of juanje users who don' t see any sense, neither want

1155
01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:47.079
or mean, they don' t
see it, they don' t find

1156
01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:50.079
any sustenance and they just formed a
controversy. For me, from my point

1157
01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:54.479
of view, Jun is a free
and pointless polemic to see if everything about

1158
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:56.840
Jordi Wile, from a point of
view of wisdom, to see conspiracy in

1159
01:34:56.920 --> 01:35:00.359
the fact that already, in fact, a book of conspiracy, conspiracies,

1160
01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:04.039
for example, that happened in the
Gulf of Tonking just days before the United

1161
01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:10.399
States declared the Vietnam war to him, because even the same cia already recognized

1162
01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:15.000
that there was no exact viennese attack
then that, yes, is conspiracy.

1163
01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:19.399
But it is true that Jordi Will
or Wail, as they say, is

1164
01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:24.039
not English, it is true that
he takes a subject that is, that

1165
01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:27.920
is super viral, which is the
thing about this guy who says that is

1166
01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:31.399
the antartic and so ta. But
all this is that he obeys as one.

1167
01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:36.279
I don' t know, I
don' t know if it'

1168
01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:40.000
s a stupidization of society, a
panalization of society. Yes, in other

1169
01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:45.800
words, they are subjects that are
becoming more and more absurd that go viral,

1170
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:48.560
that is, forgiveness, that hope
gomez, goes viral taking a walk

1171
01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:51.199
in the beaches of Cartagena. I
understand, of course, of course.

1172
01:35:51.239 --> 01:35:55.640
But some guy who doesn' t
even have a pilot' s license,

1173
01:35:55.640 --> 01:35:57.920
say here. It' s in
the Antarctic, that extraterrestrial spokesmen, that

1174
01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:00.720
the helicopter arrived. It' s
there in that sheath, because it'

1175
01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:02.159
s like you freak out that I
think more than YouTube, even look at

1176
01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:05.319
you, I think it' s
Tiktok, Sistocktok, which is like you

1177
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:10.920
' ve even sucked out of Tikto
something because it' s the realm of

1178
01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:14.960
that kind of characters and content creators. So that is, and good because

1179
01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:17.399
it is already, for it is
a social change with its good and bad

1180
01:36:17.439 --> 01:36:20.920
things. But of course the media
already communicated, that is to say before

1181
01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:25.680
the media had a filter. If
you and I say that a barbarous snail

1182
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:28.960
tomorrow is not long, I could
not write any barbarity in the magazine or

1183
01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:32.359
when working in Spain in the PRISA
group, or works on Spanish television on

1184
01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:36.760
YouTube, I say that the Queen
of England is a reptilian and that she

1185
01:36:36.880 --> 01:36:42.239
has relations with her nephew on an
island of Iceland. And I argue it

1186
01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:45.720
well and YouTube doesn' t monetize
me and give me all the money to

1187
01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:47.439
the world. That has some danger. Yeah, it' s gonna change

1188
01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:51.960
this, not even if it'
s not gonna get any worse. Alejandro

1189
01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:58.119
thirty seconds for your conclusion of your
closing, though as but in the dialogue

1190
01:36:58.199 --> 01:37:01.520
we had with Igual Martínez. I
think the important thing is to promote,

1191
01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:05.840
spread and also have critical thinking towards
all. If neither of us sells a

1192
01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:13.079
truth, we simply put information and
that you know in this case, discern

1193
01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:16.279
what is behind the same data that
we provide to you. And we and

1194
01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:19.640
I can be followed on social networks, on Instagram, in alebernal prez with

1195
01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:26.920
les. Well, gentlemen, this
fake messiah thing has been coming for centuries.

1196
01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:32.239
Be very careful because this type of
social media creates characters that, from

1197
01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:38.039
the point of view, are pathetic
and incredibly thousands of people follow you this

1198
01:37:38.119 --> 01:37:44.439
complex in our increasingly polarized society.
But here the key, critical thinking,

1199
01:37:45.039 --> 01:37:51.479
read, document, inform and draw
your own conclusions on the issues that interest

1200
01:37:51.560 --> 01:37:57.119
you. I think it' s
the key to a healthy society and never

1201
01:37:57.119 --> 01:38:00.000
forget that we live in a magical
world, because it' s a mystery.