El enigma de los templos estelares

0:08 Hey, everybody, how you doing. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, journalist, writer and director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. From the earliest antiquity, humans erected great stone monuments pointing to the stars, and we have some well- known sites, such as, for example, the three pyramids on the Giza plateau in Egypt, which reflect the belt of orion upon the earth. But there are other places that also put the stars in contact with our ancestors, such as Calanis, in Scotland, where the ancient Celts made a great calendar in stone to mark us as time moved and also, according to some, the time when the gods would return to the earth and other places also full of mystery, such as the huge and pogees that are on the island of Malta, one of them known by the name of Gigantia, evokes that time when men gods and even giants walked together on the face of the earth, telling us of a time of legend that was a reality for our ancestors. But if you want to know about this and much more, don' t miss the last mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio.

1:37 The enigma of the star temples. For thousands of years, our ancestors looked at the stars, and not just to contemplate the magic of the firmament. They go to the stars, because ancient gods came to earth to give them different messages and it is a constant that repeats itself over and over and over again in different civilizations of the planet. And these civilizations, the more lavish they were, the more impossible technology they accumulated, the more they looked at the stars, as is the case, for example, of ancient Egypt.

2:34 I don' t know if you' ve ever heard of the texts of the pyramids, and in the fifth Dynasty, in the pyramids in the archaeological area of Sácara, there are a number of texts that turn out to be, at least disturbing. They are texts that tell us of magic formulas for Pharaoh' s soul to take the film, but not only for the firmament to surface in a metaphorical way, but they saw Pharaoh as a demigod able to travel through the stars exactly as his ancestors did, because for the ancient Egyptians, Pharaoh was the direct son of the gods and one more god on earth. And that' s what it looks like in these texts. In these texts it is narrated how Pharaoh is born in the star of Orion, and he ascends the sky exactly as did the god Osiris, one of the chief gods of Egypt, who receives you at the gates of the afterlife.

3:52 And it is curious what qualities this god had that was born in the star of Orion and from above the sky. And it must be said that it is in the orion belt of this star that the Egyptians placed the duat, the door to the beyond where the gods live. Very concrete facts that tell us about a possible extraterrestrial visit many thousands of years ago on the banks of the Nile River and I will read literal one of those texts of the pyramids. Anubist will take your innut arm. It will give your heart that you smell tall like a falcon, that you smell tall like a heron, that travels to the West lives, lives next to your father, next to Orion.

4:49 In the sky. These texts described how the gods traveled to the star of Orion and from Orion came to the earth. It is a simple religious text, or it tells us this a disturbing reality that few of us know about. For it is still curious that the Orion belt is the three stars of the Orion olive belt that reflect the three great pyramids of the Giza plateau. The greatest effort man has ever made in creating monuments. The only wonder of the ancient world that continues to stand and just this work of titans and giants connects with the stars and with some stars, specifically where the gods lived.

5:47 The chief of them is Osiris, the Star traveler who came to earth. But not only that and this we will comment on later in the program. The sons of Oruslo, the southern ones who ruled Egypt for more than six thousand years, also came from the constellation Orion. And not only are the ancient Egyptians talking about Orion. French anthropologists Marcel Giriol and his wife of Last Name Diertelem went to the country of Mali, until the failure, dobon the Bandigara fault, right where it begins in that area, Black Africa, and the tribe there. The dogs told marcer griol that thousands of years ago some beings of the stars they called nommos came there and came on a flying ship. And that ship that was flying came to the Fault of Bandigara and there it entered a lake and this we did not say that fish men also came out of the water to communicate with them. But the legend has even more curious and powerful details. And the dogones told them that, around the star of Sirius there was another one that was invisible, and that invisible star

7:23 turned every fifty years to the star of Sirius and the dogones began to make a feast to commemorate that potolo, which means small seed, that invisible star gave every fifty years a turn to the star of Sirius in the constellation of orion. And it' s funny because when they describe that potolo, that small seed, that invisible star, they say that a handful of potolo, which I could choose with my hand weighed more than all the sand in the Sahara desert. Centuries ago it was discovered that around the star of Sirius there is a white dwarf that today is known astronomically as Sirius b The case is that the vessels in which a millet beer was made for this feast continues that it is done every fifty years to commemorate that this invisible star turned accumulated in a ritual hut. They had many centuries before modern astronomy knew and even that there was Syrian B and it is curious how men keep telling us about these visits of ancient gods. And in the places where those visits took place there

9:01 are always temples that look at the stars. And that' s today' s theme, the enigma of menir star temples like, for example, in Carnac thousands of menirs in France pointing out the menir stars is huge blocks of gigantic stones looking at the stars in Stoneheinge, in Britain, also menirs here in Colombia, in the infiernito, looking at the stars. A constant all over the world. And I don' t know about you, but I do think you came and you communicated with men and I' m convinced that those gods will one day come back perhaps to end that human stupidity that is capable of ending planet consumerism. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want to follow on social networks in my twitters arroba Juan ge Vallejo, Juan j de Vallejo, on Instagram and Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is mystery journalism. We put the facts on top of the table and you decide what' s behind it and you don' t know that I' m doing copyright trips this September. On the 22nd of September, on the 1st of October, I will be making a trip to Egypt to visit these stellar temples that are on

10:35 the banks of the Nile, such as Carnak, places full of magic, mystery, with magic that remains intact thousands of years later and, of course, we will also walk in the pyramids of Guizas. If you want to sign this trip. All the information is on the website. Three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo as I repeat, Three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com and we start yazz in ripening. Alejandro Bernada, half to partner, how you are. All right, I greet you today on a journey with the imagination Jorge through some of the most important star temples in our world, bobe clepe Kalanish in Scotland, which I was very surprised I particularly, did not know axis either, but with our guest of exception tonight, Iván Martínez, we will tour these wonderful places. In this world. Indeed, tonight we have a guest of Luxurious Ivan Martinez, who is the director of the YouTube channel, great mystery. I' m sure many of you know it for us a pride that is here tonight We have a pre- recorded interview that has been uprooted for thousands of years and I don' t know why men built stone temples, leaving us an unwritten message, but that message, however, is eternal.

11:52 It is a message only to initiate for those who understand the symbols that are on those stones, which are eternal. And there they left us, I repeat, a legacy of the time when men continually looked at the stars. And not only is this a metaphor of star looks, it is that from the stars came a knowledge to the earth that was embodied in temples that were the most important sacred places that there was in Antiquity, the memory of a time when men and gods walked together on the face of the Earth.

12:33 But speaking of this type of temples and of this kind of places, today we have here in mystery night, here in Caracol radio to an exceptional guest who has just made a book called The Enigma of the Star Temples, I repeat, the enigma of the Star Temples, which is a book that you can get throughout Latin America through Amazon in a very simple way and the and the author of this book is a very well known youtuber that surely you will already know who is here throughout the continent, that is Ivan Martinez, who is the director of the YouTube channel, Great Mystery, Iván Martínez, Good evening that there are, how you are Good evening, Juan G because very happy and happy to be here with you and to be able to talk about these subjects that we like so much, because many thanks, friends. I was already looking forward to having you here on mystery night, Alejandro Bernal.

13:30 I think, like me, I was recently on your YouTube channel, in great mystery. And well, from there, from Spain, you have become a reference here in Latin America as well. And the first question is a must, which is the one I ask to all the guests who arrive for the first time last night of mystery forgiveness and do not know who you are Iván Martínez for the entire audience of Caracol Radio. Well, Iván Martínez is a person passionate about the mystery world, someone with a lot of curiosity who for more than twelve years began making video programs on the Internet about different enigmas of all kinds, from ufology to archaeology. Everything that interested me, because I tried to make a library of videos and thus learn about the subject, about the study of this. But over time, well, I saw that the mystery is not only to investigate, but to create a kind of philosophy of its own, an initiatory path perhaps and led me to travel around the world, to write several books, to meet wonderful people about this realm of mystery and, in the end, it is a lifestyle that is very integrated into me and, well, I am simply a curious one who shares the things that find a lifestyle and a way of thinking. That' s why some non- critical people recently were in the middle of commenting on some podcasts.

15:01 This is about encouraging free thinking, which is what people like you, Alejandro Bernal or a servant do, because I think that many people resent it in a time of history when it seems like they want to take us as if we were going for water without thinking about one current or another. Suddenly, telling people quiet, read documentese if you can travel, travel that is even better and draw your own conclusions is a more dangerous message than we think. They weren' t going, man. Sure, because in the end you are challenging ideas established for many years and now worse than a while ago, because now everything is polarized. I suspect that there is some kind of social engineering behind big social networks like Twitter, to try to bring people to extremism. And perhaps there is an elite that designs these strategies to divide.

16:00 I don' t know. Me. What I see is more division than ten years ago, for example, but much more division. A hate if you hurry me up irrational and you can' t talk about things at large. It is an involution where, effectively, different social networks like Twitter, has a lot to do with this social radicalization. But, well, we, who are a bunch of crazy people a little bit apart, will continue with this speech and I think both the people who listen to your great mystery YouTube channel and the people who listen to this mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio. They' re people who are freethinkers. So here we can speak of everything with total and absolute freedom. Ivan, you just wrote a book.

16:47 Your second book. Correct me if I' m wrong that it' s called the puzzle of the star temples, what is it that pushes you to write this book. Well, what pushes me to write this book is to try to remove that false label from people who see these contents from outside a youtuber who is at home reading books and little more not I this book. What I tried to do was to write only about what I could see and touch, that is, I traveled a lot of places and I wrote only about what I had in front of me. I' ve been to Egypt, to Turkey, I' ve been to the Calanis Stones, to the islands beyond northern Scotland. I' ve been to Malta, I' ve been to a lot of places and I' ve been able to see those stellar temples that for me is a theory that tries to relate some sort of ancient technology to the construction of big minires, great constructions like pyramids, as if there were mathematical knowledge, also starting implicit in the rock, in the stone. And well, it' s a very interesting topic, because it ' s led me to discover a lot of places I didn' t know.

18:08 Of course it is different to read it in the books to see it in documentaries, that being there is a wonder And this I recommend to everyone, not man and you learn things that are not in the books. I mean, I think it' s another world look. I always give the same example I have read of Inca culture a lot. I had been in Peru many times until I lived in Lima for a season like five months I lived in Lima and all of a sudden it was one of the trips I made to the sacred valley with one of the guides I had in a place that in principle I didn' t care about, shit, which is the Church of Andaguailillas. I was with the guide right in the center of the church ship. I said look at the arch on the left, because in the arch or Zerda you will see our father written in three languages, in Latin, Quechua and Pukina. And I told him but what' s this about Pukina. And he tells me the Incas, the Intipchurin, the children of the Sun, who were a very small tribe, the Inca nobility, the people, did not understand them because when they spoke among themselves, although they spoke Quechua, they were bilingual among themselves speaking in Pukina, which is a language that today is dead. No one speaks Puquina and, moreover, it is practically impossible to relate to other languages of the world. It is a rare thing, a language that is spoken by the people who were the

19:40 creators of Cuzco, Saxai Waman and so many sacred places with stones of hundreds of thousands of kilos, creating an archaeological challenge that reaches us to this day as much as I read. I found out about that at Andahuelilla church, a place I didn' t really care about in the first place. I wanted to say something. We remember very much the language Aimara. I don ' t know if you know him. The Aimar went through a series of computer programs and determined that it was as perfect as a code as a software. How could this be made clear? It is the myth of creation, of giving knowledge to man who exists in the past. The language is very impressive for different knowledge. The Aymara, which is spoken in good parts, in a large part of Bolivia and which, moreover, is the language with the most verbal times in the world. It' s a very complex thing.

20:37 But very complex. But good. Hey, well, I' m really glad to keep your book in your hands here. And on the subject of what I was saying, if I wanted to comment on one thing about what I was saying to youubers, that many youtuber who don' t travel and such is that what I think happens and I would like your opinion of this, even if we get a little off the program Vale is that good. There are many people who have signed up for this mystery on YouTube, because the mystery has relative ease to make certain viral content and I find people. For example, I' ve found people, because I' m not going to tell you the name, but a girl doesn' t, because I started first making make- up. But since my makeup didn' t work, then I got into the mystery world. I' ve heard a few things that, obviously prefer not to answer Vale as saying joy because what interest you had in this knowing something that marked your life. It' s clear what you think of everything that' s being set up on YouTube with mystery issues, because it' s very broad, but I would like your opinion, because you have a community of more than a million people, so look. I think people attract what they are or what they really want.

21:47 Their intentions go through different paths. If a person and tries it with makeup, with music, with whatever and then says I will enter the mystery to see if I do more visit, then that person will never be able to make content dedicated to trying to know the truth of things, trying to dump passion for these topics, because there is no passion. The pretense is to seek an economic benefit and that is the danger within the mystery, because that makes you throw away for viral issues, even if they are false, whatever, the more crazy, extravagant, the better we are going forward. Let ' s see if we make any money. And that is, then, one of the plagues that the world of mystery has. Currently the land is flat beyond the Ice Wall. We have the other day a guy who calls him the harlequin in Tiktok Sete. How many were two hundred continents, and one hundred and seventy continents. Something like that. He already came upstairs and you see some things that well, you made a video, very good about this recently on your channel, giving your opinion about eye. Beware of this that I think that there are people who have not lost our sense or try to study or read a lot or bring or bring guests, that we know that there are people who have also studied and that know things that I don ' t know or that you don' t know is worth and careful with these kind of characters that are appearing and that this is the beginning they are

23:21 going to continue to appear more with such as to take money. But well we to our friend, to make mysteries in condition and to continue to grow and not to lose the sanity Hey You start your book with a place that we have talked about many times from here. But I want your vision, which is a place that has clearly changed history, which is Gobecklitepe, the navel mountain in Turkey, because until Gobert Kitepe appeared, they always said that the first civilizations in history had about five thousand and five hundred years old Sumeria, wet Jodar and Jarapa in Pakistan, then Egypt, three thousand and fifty before Christ, and suddenly a German archaeologist arrived clauuse Smith, and he says that this must be delayed seven thousand more years. How was your experience in Govier Typpe, because it was a very nice experience, because first of all, before you get to Goberly Teppe, you have to cross a very long road, very long that is with the Syrian border, and it was very shocking to see a tank coming out on one side of the road and pointing us to the caravan. We already thought this far, but well it was the Turkish army that was simply doing a review of the people passing by the road. Of course, you get there and what' s striking is not Goberly Teppe, it' s around. They are very planite mountains that you see protruding, semi- buried structures that are lost there waiting for one day to be unburied. Sure, I stayed looking at the horizon and I say

24:53 here there' s a lot, there' s a lot to discover, but good by focusing on governingly clear tepe, you see, beyond the images of documentaries, you see a complex very well preserved because it was buried. Some say that in a deliberate way and that is an absolute mystery, as it can be. And you see some columns in tea shapes with a number of symbols, many of them are animals. There are theories that these animals were a kind of protor representation of the stars, a celestial vault that would be perhaps different from ours, because there is a phenomenon of precession that moves like a kind of top. The planet earth every 20, 000 and peak years. I don' t remember the number and that changes the celestial vault.

25:41 But of course, you see, other strange things, like humanoids with a series of m- shaped belts and also an altar in the center of the concentric rings that form the obergli TP theses. It is a panorama of absolute mystery to be there and the sensations are that more studies are needed, more discovery and so on. Very interesting, well, look at you I can tell you one thing. I was at Google Clictpe just when the carbon fourteen tests came out. I would swear that he was the first Spanish journalist who went there thanks to the support of the Turkish Government. I think that was about the year two thousand seven, two thousand eight tops I was a few weeks ago. They haven' t dug anything. Go away nothing is exactly as I saw it just as they have put a giant awnings on it and have made a walk so that you are no longer so close to ruin.

26:42 But I meant that I think it is also a political issue. Okay, so that' s how Close Smitch was German and he was the one who discovered Gobe Clitepe. They have turned the archeological studies of Turkish archaeologists to put on the medal of I discovered it and, for example, about a year ago it was already carajan Tepe, which seems to be a thousand years before bobecli Tepe. I think it' s a political issue. It is my opinion, I may be wrong and more than a hundred archaeological sites that remain in the area for investigating me to hear well more than a hundred archaeological sites a whole world for discovering a lesson of humility for archaeologists, historians and all human beings, because there was a humanity before humanity. And we' re still here on mystery night. We were immersed in the mysteries of Gobe Clitepe on Mt Ombligo, in Turkey, the place where the history of humanity was rewrote, twelve zero years old, and the interview with Iván Martínez continues like this. Well, maybe, maybe. The truth is that it is a pity, because they could even stretch tourism there and, well, earn a number of economic benefits so that they can continue digging up the place and continue investigating. But they don' t. There is something there that we do not know, not in the case of Carajantep, and there are others also other different TPs, each jan TP is very particular because there is a

28:17 theory about sound. You can see that there are columns in some kind of something that could have been in a somewhat ritual tank, something with water. You can see that these columns appear to be that by hitting them they emit some kind of sound. And this the first time I heard it was Javier Sierra, who was talking about it. I was very intrigued by this. In fact, in that pool there was also a head of a statue, a strange figure that reminds me a lot of Aguanaco. In Tiaguanaco there are some heads who suffer greatly from this. I don' t know. There are many riddles throughout the region and perhaps good are related to each other and it is a place where history is being rewritten over the next few years that places like bobe Quitepe will continue to appear. It' s a shame Chittepe didn' t dig badly. And besides, I think bobet Litepe has some riddles that don' t relate to the stars, which I want to know your opinion about those gods that come from the stars. But I' m going to do it to you in the next block when I ask you about the great pyramid that is the famous trail of the vulture, where you see a vulture with an extended wing, some kind of sun or something. And there are people who have related to non- scientific people of first order forgiveness, who have related this to an event that may be the recent draya,

29:51 which changed the earth around about twelve, fourteen, fifteen zero years ago, a great cataclysm that made the level of the sophres if there were more than a hundred meters you think that actually in Clitepe gobe they don' t tell that kind of story of how the world changed and the relationship of man with the stars. I think so. In fact, there are at least three scientific studies linking Gobertgli Tepe to a kind of cataclysm. Some speak of recent stripes, as you have said, and others of a meteorite species, something that fell from the sky that impacted quite a lot in society at the time tried to make Cobegli Tepe a kind of ritual cult to prevent something like this from happening in the future. In those symbolic beliefs, in fact, around Cobeglitepe, huge circles were found, as if they were a kind of stone donux very large meters and a half meters, and the theory says that they tried to represent the mouth as the sound because they were all unusable inclined towards the stars and again related to the sound of each jan tepe as if it were the key to the enigma. What is the sound, what is the voice what they meant if then everything was buried. But yes, there is a cosmic catastrophe, or at least it is what several studies warn about the

31:21 sense of goberglitepe. But we' ll never know, because there' s a lot to dig up. We never know. And I think that, besides, one of the keys to Clip bobe and you commented it before, is that the temples were not abandoned, buried and sealed, as if the man said this stage of the story ended and starts another one or they fought with their gods or I don' t know what happened. But the effort to bury the temples is almost as great or more as the effort to do so. You bet, you bet. In fact, I believe it obeys a sacred character. Either it is a message for the future, for the other civilizations that discover it or had enormous respect for LITP and decided to bury it with a sacred character. But of course they' re all theories, because we can' t know the real intention of this. They' re hypotheses. They are hypotheses, and well, the important thing I think is to be there ourselves, as researchers and as divulgators, and well, tell us what science is telling us and what our soul tells us in our hearts about the intentionality that can have such a place. Hey, we' re gonna move on to another one of the Good Ones. I think this is the riddle of riddles and as much as we talk about it. We can talk about this during a thousand programs and details always come up. There'

32:52 s always new things. The great pyramid Giza, the great pyramid, supposedly for some that or that it is not alone in the middle of the plateau of Giza, is along with two other pyramids that reflect on the belt of the East. We' ve got the sphinx next door. There are already studies that tell us that the great pyramid is an electromagnetic condenser. That was scientifically demonstrated by a Russian university Iván Martínez, which is what you think when you get there in Egypt you see that huge mole that I always say the same to you, it makes you feel so small and so insignificant, that it is a lesson of eternal humility that gives us the great pyramid oysters I think it is enormous. You can' t really imagine how big it is when you' re there. In fact, the first time I saw her was at night, because we went in at night and went out because after dawn and it was after I had been inside, when I really saw her with the sunlight and said my mother. This is one of the things I ' m going to take forever, because that' s often with that vision afterwards, because it' s very shocking. It is not like an indelible imprint on the spirit, on the human soul and good to be inside is different, as I imagined it is very overwhelming. I mean, there' s a lot of humidity. Looks like I don' t know how you ' re short of breath, and I didn' t figure that out.

34:22 When I was there I noticed it and much more when I went down to the Chaos Chamber. It' s a lot more overwhelming there, because the tunnels aren' t ready. It is very narrow you fill with sand, but it is worth it because you notice the weight of the Great Pyramid on your head, since in this case, in the Chamber of Chaos you are under the Great Pyramid, under the plateau of Izza. It' s impressive, but that was my first contact on the wonder affair. I know I want to tell people that, unfortunately, the general public cannot see the three chambers of the Great Pyramid, one known as the Chamber of Chaos, which is below, as Ivan said, under the great pyramid and is excavated in the rock of the Giza plateau, because the plateau of Iza is pure rock.

35:12 Well they put him in the Chaos Chamber I always say it like they could have put him in my cousin' s chamber. We have no idea what the Queen' s House was called or anything that my grandmother' s chamber might have put on her. Well, no queen was ever found there. And then, at the top that is made of pink granite and with stones of more than 150 thousand kilos, the House of Pharaoh you believe that the great pyramid wants to leave us a message in stone that we do not yet know, of number, of course, and above all because there is a record of larger cameras that are still sealed and I do not know very well why they do not open them. There was a Japanese investigation into putting in the Chamber of Chaos huge computers that they did was the detection of muons that are cosmic particles that, when they collide against the great pyramid, the change of density that occurs when there is an internal cavity, is reflected in the computer and thus they discovered a camera of fifty meters that there is no more news. And this and a lot of years ago, how they don ' t open that chamber or open it and they don' t say anything like that. I believe it, but perfectly and more knowing archaeologists there how the matter works. I don' t know, I don' t know.

36:30 There' s a very big riddle that we don' t know yet and that maybe they know, because when there are tourist times there are new discoveries. Always yes and, for example, now that there are fewer passenger cars in Egypt, unfortunately, because of the Gaza conflict, they were already saying that Cleopatra' s tomb was going to appear in Alexandria. They remember you, or now they want to fuck and bomb the new museum they' ve opened. But if you keep it, you give it to them, because for them it is an issue, it is an economic issue. They know that Egyptian tourism moves, moves a lot of money and keeps it and when they feel like it, they release it. But with dropper. Alejandro Bernal O, since we are talking about Egypt, I want to know Ivan ' s point of view about probably one of the discoveries that at the media level had the greatest impact in recent months a series of channels known as the branch to Ramat, with which they could have transported those blocks to build the pyramids that they think about this discovery Ivan. You think this allowed four thousand years ago to create these portents, or clearly lack more information to know how they did it. To see 100% you cannot know, but I think it is quite obvious that they could have used the water, since this discovery it raises is that, satellite view you can see the ancient vestiges of a series of good rivers or water that could have been, because perhaps deviated to

38:06 or that part of a second river Nile was formed. They even talk is accurate. It would be the settlement, a second Nile river, and it would seem that large blocks from the Asuan quarry would be likely to be transported there, but I think it is 300 kilometers away. I want to remember a thousand thousand kilos, so look at yourself, look at you. That ' s why I' m saying 100% can' t be known, because it' s a thousand kilometers. Uh, I don' t know, the theory is interesting, because from the water it' s a little easier, a little not, but look. The importance of Alexander Bernal' s question how much we don' t know about Egypt, which has now been shown to have a second river Nile Forgiveness, a second artificial river that they channeled it, obviously, to have more farmland and that could also serve the best. It is not known for the transport of stones or other things, but that we realized three days ago and for a satellite theme, that is, neither in the Egyptian texts nor in anything seemed that clear. We ' re talking about a very important thing and we didn' t know anything.

39:20 I think it' s an incredible thing, and I think it' s all like that in Egypt. No, I mean, it' s all of a sudden to see what he' s telling us. I suspect that under the Giza plateau there is a tunnel gallery that may have been flooded by water. In fact, there is an investigation, some articles that are complex to find, but they exist. I have them in case anyone wants them from zai jaguas when he discovered a kind of well near the great pyramid, which was later known as the well of Osigris, a well that led to three chambers. One of them had a sarcophagus of which there has been little talk about who was buried there. It is said that what an obsp is a mystery and then he sent, after removing the water, to seal it. You don' t know very well why. But of course, if there is a huge well in the Chaos Chamber, maybe that well was connected to a tunnel gallery flooded by water. In fact, there' s an engineer who doesn' t remember the name, but he became very famous a few years ago. What did the following say? If there is water in underground tunnels under the Giza plateau and climbs up the well of the Chamber of Chaos The going up and down does the same thing as some kind of hydraulic pumping, because the pressure would rise upwards. Tempting or talking a little bit about maybe there was some energy component unknown to us, but known to some in ancient times. But that' s clear. More evidence is needed.

40:51 Obviously, yeah, yeah, yeah, there' s so much more evidence. But this is funny because look now that you' ve talked about the Osiris well issue. One of the guides in Egypt I work with is archaeologist, and well he played in the NBA of archaeology, because he was archaeologist on the plateau of Giza. To be that logo, maybe you have to be a genius, if not obvious. He won' t let you and he told me that it can' t be made public. Obviously, because Zaihawas is the first one to hide it that he is that he worked in the well of Osiris, oyster man and then told me that I worked in the well. I was there and the archaeological traces gave us the five thousand before Christ, but they told us that all quiet people who were prettier than and then stamped it flippa. I also had the contact of a guide of the two of the previous two times that I have been, a guide called pepe who asked for information about this well of Siris and sent me some photographs that he himself had made of a kind of very fenced entrance, but it was sealed and why they would get that yes, it is tremendously interesting, very rare. When you want me to go to Egypt, I' ll give you this friend' s contact again because he did work as an archaeologist in Giza and he was there and to me when he told me that, I stayed, I stayed at shows and I told him. But why don' t you know and say you can' t say it because it ' s about rewriting the story and it' s a fucking polemic. In

42:22 fact, it' s totally unknown to many archaeologists, that is, you don' t even know what. Yes, I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but this day I' m telling you by chance and the guy' s also a love, he' s super good friend so that he can give you information because he was there, he' s cool and that' s not what he left me on show because besides, I didn' t understand why they silenced him. He also related this research to me and told me that the first thing that came to mind of archaeologists when they were there in the well of Osiris, was that they had to delay yes or yes, the dating of the sphinx.

43:07 He didn' t even tell me about the pyramids. He told me the theme of the Osiris well is that it also caused us to delay the adaptation of the sphinx. Then everybody quiet covered the well and that' s the end of the story. So, seen the sphinx, which has two types of erosion up and another horizontal, as if the water had hit him too and then you look like the sphinx, it seems like they are restoring it with different blocks to the time, like covering that erosion is that there are many things to tell. That' s not really stopping yes, and an official archaeology that won' t let this change. Not because it' s heavily controlled by the Antiquities Ministry. And so and so I don' t know that I didn' t even ask him about the Osiri well, that neither, even though they know all this, did he come up talking to him about the sphinx and the possibility that the sphinx was seven or eight thousand years before Christ, even ten zero before Christ, as he defends, as Robert Bauball says. And then it was he who told me about the well of Cyris and I was equipped to freak out tell me you can also look at the side of the sphinx and a temple, the temple of the sphinx, and that temple is very strange. It has the largest and most perfect rocks, i e forgiveness, the largest and most perfect blocks I have found

44:40 in all of Egypt. In fact, I have a photograph that I' m next to a block and I have a little flea next to it, and it' s not like they stop going into that temple. It' s complicated. I want to try in a few months because you can' t really get in. Not if not aside, it is a very enigma temple, because it is not clear exactly for use. The fact that it doesn' t have a roof. They tell me why amun ra rituals were performed. But everything is very weird, all very long, because, besides, and you have been written several times like me, the rest of the temples you see in Egypt have absolutely nothing to do with this one. Nothing, nothing, nothing, super different, super different. That' s why I always tell people when they' re there, maybe I say look at this fourth Dynasty thing. It' s like going to another planet. Then we see the other Egypt, the normal one that has a lot of symbolism, magic and is very beautiful and such, but perhaps Niguel understands it.

45:37 No, not really weird, it' s one thing, it' s not a super crazy thing. I think that as many times as we go there, we will always be amazed by its mystery. We will always think that well, that it is a message in stone, the most important in history and that we have not been able to decipher it. And already, as a last question about this, what do you think of that relationship not only of the pyramids of ancient Egypt, with beings coming from the stars that were known as the sensu or and that ruled for six thousand years as the same pharaohs. And so the Turin papyrus says, Not that I say, well, it' s in an official Egyptian document. It' s true in this papyrus you mention the Letuirin. There are three great periods of history, the period of the reign of the gods, the intermediate period of the reign of the honors and then the period of men. Of course we are a followers of orus. It was a kind of hybrid between gods and man, but there is not much data about them. Of course official archaeology says from this date we take it as historical. But behind it is not to say gods and it is in his honor not valid, but all is in the same papyrus, that is, as it can be, and all are with those with very precise times of reign, such God, so long,

47:07 what is there, what happens with these followers of Horus. There' s some kind of hybridization between gods and men. There' s a controversy that I' m not 100% sure is real. Well, I' ve heard this, and of course we can' t know it either, and it says that many kings of Egypt had one kind of blood, the rarest in the world, the negative bird. Of course, if this were so, because it' s zero comma two percent of the world' s population. If this were so, what a strange coincidence and fit much with the perpetuation of blue blood, as they say no of kings who should not or should keep that pure and real blood. I don' t know what you think about it, because I' m not 100% sure, since I haven' t seen any study of it. Let' s see this, this is crazy. For the following, I do tell you the key here what you say how in an official Egyptian document you tell me up to three thousand hundred and fifty before Christ, that we do not even know clearly what the name of the first Pharaoh is, because it appears with two names.

48:17 In some places he appears as Narmer and in others as Menes. And then the archaeologists said well, because I skipped the problem and never mind Narmes and mene in Armer and Meneze is the same wave There' s that to start with the problem, as I jumped it for Narmer and Mene is the same guy worth perfect. I give it to you as valid, but yeah, back and forth. That' s there for literature and it' s very curious because those sensuor are also called the resplendent ones. Yes, right, that' s because they say they emitted light and such and further describe that time of history as if they were needed by them, because besides Orud' s children were the sons of Seth Ojo and the followers of Seth those were more evil, but bad bad. It' s like a kind of war between angels and demons. In other words, what we are told about this period of history, of which there is very little data, as you have said except that which I am commenting on And then, if they insist that those sensuor were protectors of men, because there were followers of thirst and there had been a very important war between Orus and Seth, which is the devil for people who do not know giptology. And it' s all very crazy and if it gives rise to thought, even as the ancient Sumerian texts say, the Anuma Ellis, which you know much more about than I do.

49:47 Another day we can do an interview on reptilian and all that. But in that Anuma Ellis it is clear that he tells us of those anun here that come down from the faithful to the earth and there are good ones, if there are bad ones and between them they fight and such and this is like a kind of Egyptian version, but of which we do not have so much data, because in the number Ellis and other texts it is Sumerian. If there' s data, let' s say from that battle, but it makes us think of some kind of hybridization. But let' s see if that' s what the Bible says, copy it from the Ellis Numa, the Sumerius and indeed on the Ellis numa, that is, the Bible copies the Ellis Anuma, because what the Ellis numa says, that text of creation is so extremely important that its echo is repeated in the different cultures that in the Middle East for thousands of years and religion there, for example, ended up being Judaism and Christianity. That' s why it' s in the Bible. We are talking to Iván Martínez, the Anuma Ellis, about that text of creation that tells us about when the Anunaki come to earth and they are here and mix even with men, as the Bible says, when he comments that the angels mated with the most beautiful women and the interview Iban Martínez continues like this and made us in his image and likeness more clear the water to see. The Nome Ellis says many things that are parallel to the Bible,

51:20 especially when he talks about how man was made out of the blood and mud of a good god. He wasn' t a god, he was an anunak named King Woo. But you have to tell people that eduma Ellis is not a sub- text. It' s an Akkadian text. I mean, first there were the sobs and then the akkadians. The Akkadians. When they took the legacy of the somedios, they saw the submediate tables and said this what it says here. They couldn' t read the cuneiform. They had to invent a cuneiform easier than the Sumerian in order to create the new mythology that was directed to the germ of the Mount, because Marduk appeared for the first time with the fifty names of Marduk, as giving him more power than the other gods who in their average were all equal, were sometimes invisible to the human eye and carefully before the Sumerian. In the protosumeria, in the settlements of Oba to Bite are the only representations with a reptilian aspect.

52:23 In fact, there' s a very famous, a statue that I think took her for a long day where you see a reptile nursing a reptile mammal being a very rare thing, but only in Protosumedia, on its average. Then in Acádios, in the Babylonians, in the Hittites, the Anunaki gods were transformed into beings with a huge beard into human beings, because I suspect that if there was contact with aliens, it was in protosumedia. It was a very brief contact, perhaps that had a full impact on the unconscious of society at the time. But the so mediums no longer saw those gods, they did not arrive, neither the Akkadians nor others humanized them. But that is another gigantic issue of sound culture. And besides, I recommend your big mystery channel, because you have a lot of videos of this. I think you have as much as a three- hour documentary, where a documentary took me two years to do it. People don' t know that, because I tried to say look at the version of Cecarias and chin is completely invented. They are all dialogues and there are no dialogues in the omedia tablets.

53:39 And I tried to find five linguists, compare their texts, their translations, and realized that they give them. One of them was Federicolada, Peinado de la Complutense de Madrid, a professor of those who know the most about the world. I would say that he taught and that well, when he could not translate to something of the tablets, he put unreadable word for destruction or deterioration, that is, it was genuine and clear the story was totally different. If he has invented many things, neither virus does not appear in secondary texts. It appears once in texts here to God as the polar and good star. But I' m just getting out of it. This is a very big issue and it doesn' t give anything that. Another day we' ll give you an interview, it' ll bother you, and I' ll give you an interview about that. No, but it' s great that you tell him about one thing, because maybe that contact that was in ancient Sumeria was the same contact that there was at the same time in Egypt. That' s why we' re talking about the sensuor thousands of years ago. And that' s the possibility, because in addition, in Egypt we see a technology that we feel is completely impossible, that is, theory of how the great pyramid was made. You have this which you want to make none, absolutely none, that if the ramp system has already passed into history, then a lever oma, now they tell us about a pulley system to another type. He made it up, he came up with it. It was a theme that was with water and his life very beautiful.

55:07 Everything remains graphics without papers but love a great pyramid and then I believe you worth it then it' s very complex. But this story of those gods who lived side by side with us and who in Egypt, for example, even ruled as in the sense, is very clear. It is very clear in the texts in a very old time. And that' s why what we have left is kind of a memory of what you said. That is, because in the Ubai culture of seven thousand years ago, in the archaeological settlement of Harmond appear these figures of reptiles avantando men, which is a crazy and very rare thing, but crazy and also, with the head of deformed olicocephalus, as the pharaohs did or as it has been done in many places to resemble the gods, but it was a long time ago. That is why what remains is a memory, but it was so shocking that that memory is becoming a legend so that society can understand that these sacred beings lived with us. And, well, Egypt has a thousand stories like that and a thousand more enig like that. I' m very passionate about Egypt.

56:19 People know that. Now, in September I' m taking another author' s trip now and again I' m going to ask to keep bringing in more riddles, not that I' m going to solve any. I ask you, bro comes up more than clear. It' s not possible. Yeah, that' s impossible. Hey, there' s a place in your book that I' ve never read about before. I have no knowledge, it' s Calanis, in Scotland. What is there in Calanis, how are those ruins of Calanis, They are like a kind of Stonehays of monoliths describe online and why it took your curiosity to investigate this place and how important it is The calanis stor is a place of legend, it is like being inside the artistic myths, but now it is very interesting because it is the other Stone Heads. The calanis Stones are flat stones of two meters, two and a half meters that make concentric circles and seen from above you see that they are like clocks, watches for their alignment with the solstices and equinoxes, as they pass perfectly through a series of indexes. The sun when solstice or equinox arrives in stone Heads, it happens the same. But it' s interesting there because around the Calanis Stones, about 500 meters away, there ' s another one. There are three complexes that make up that kind of

57:52 clock It is very interesting because being there you see those stones, flat and pointed is that they are very striking when you do it, that they seem a much higher riddle than that of Stonheads in terms of the first visual impact. Then what there is is different and it tells us how very ancient peoples had some kind of art or knowledge initiatory wisdom to work the stone and align it with the stars, a kind of cult of the stars that we see as one of the star temples that we have good there in Scotland. In fact, the megalithic cult is distributed not only throughout Europe, but throughout the world in general, and it is always like making the earth acupuncture with those megalithic monuments. Very interesting and what a good reflection you have said in the end is how to make a kind of acupuncture to the earth that connects us to the stars. There' s one element that I think we can' t lose sight of is what kind of xamanic rituals would be done there and here to open doors to the hereafter, to talk to what went away with the dead or to talk to the gods who were in the stars. There are some books I' ve been good at reading recently about something they call a dream incubation ritual. It is very interesting the incubation of dreams, because

59:23 it tells us how the caves or the big pinks or monoliths altered in some electromagnetic form of the human brain and allowed that, through rituals, by itself, rituals of alteration of consciousness, they can have very lucid dreams that for them was the contact with the gods seems very interesting to me. I don ' t remember the author of the book. I think it was something kings, kings the last name. No, and that' s very curious, because going to a place where your consciousness through dreams can connect with other realities, since dreams according to this last one of consciousness I see it very important And it is that, maybe you have to think that these places, like bobekiltepe the great pyramid of Calanis, that I didn' t know him, are places where men could keep talking to the gods, that is, they were a telephone to talk to the gods. What happens is that we have forgotten how the number is marked through those hamanic rituals, that kind of dreams, that kind of experiences that made us closer to the sacred. But an unpleasant concept that is not like the one we have today, that goes to one and prays and does penance or whatever you want and such, but was like much more lived, from my point of view, all those rituals that were in ancient times. And I think, besides, as with Celtic culture,

1:00:59 there was nothing left, because everything was destroyed. And besides, there aren' t even texts from the Celts that would tell us what those rituals were like, because it' s oral tradition, but it' s already very deformed. We don' t really know what was going on there. A mystery, because in the case of the Celts were absorbed by a lot of other cultures and in fact, we also have it in Catholicism. Not a bit like an absorption of pagan cults, ancient Celtics that were transformed simply to destroy that culture, that faith that. That has happened many times not men and symbols as curious as the Celtic cross slide, which is simply the circle with which they worshiped the gods put a cross in the middle of it already and there you are. This is sacred to everyone, so we don ' t fight. Ready. It' s like very funny and you see some rosabelue that the circle around the cross and the cross itself has pagan Celtic symbol. It' s super crazy, man It' s in that It ' s a very funny thing. Listen I' m going to ask you about another place I' ve never been and see that I feel like and I' ve read and it' s Malta, and I think Malta does, which contains a lot of tremendous mysteries, because there are places there like Alsa Fieni, which are how we explain what Halsafieni or Gigantia is like.

1:02:24 They were giants and it' s clear that I was never in Malta. They were like great places of worship, but they were made like temples, that much of the temples are underground and so and worships were done there. But we haven' t had any text left in history, because we' re talking about five thousand years ago, if not worse, what your experience in Marta was. Here you were researching there Ivan, in Malta. I ' ve been doing a lot of things. First, looking for the car roots, which are marks on the rock that look like car marks. That ' s why the name. But it' s a mystery, because they intersect each other, get into the sea, don' t know what they were used for. I was in the hypogeum, too. Lipogeo is a tremendous story, because it was discovered by chance in the reforms and there is a giant gallery. Well, they' re not a lot of tunnels in themselves, at least those that let you see. But it is very interesting the hypogeum of Malta, because first it has been found in a lot of skeletons, in the darkness of those caverns, skeletons with dolicocephalus skulls and you go in there and you see it have a newspaper cut framed in the very enclosure of Malta, where you see alien skulls alien schools put very striking, very striking that, but the interesting thing is that at the bottom of the

1:04:00 hypogeum there is a hole in the wall and the studies that were made on the sound was that it bounced the sound to a very specific frequency that affected the human brain and it came to theorize that in that hole in the wall there were ritual chants to enter into States sautéed of consciousness. As we used to talk about incubation of dreams and there was found a very famous statue of a mother goddess. I think the oldest cults that exist on Earth are two, the mother venus or goddesses and the snake cult. But the thing is, well, there' s a whole gigantic riddle. Then I was also in the temples of Agarching, for example, I was in a lot of temples because there are many and they are very well built, megalithic and that without equal megalithic as large stone, as if it were a Stonehings, but covered, which has an exact ceiling like a covered stenge, but full of spirals, like the symbol par excellence, spirals that well, in the hypogeum the spirals were painted, but they were red, but good. I was in agar Kim, I was in Gigantija to go there. You had to take a boat because I think it was on the island of Gozo and Gigantija.

1:05:21 Well, they' re tremendously big rocks that you don' t know very well how they can be made, but I looked, approaching the House all over the rock, that were filled with small marine fossils, there were a lot of conchitas, there were a lot of fossilized marine animals and you can see in the video that I made clear. The big question of the island of Malta is that in the Hill Sea there are other temples and perhaps thousands of years ago, because they are before the pyramids of Egypt, perhaps in the Mediterranean Sea there was a culture that extended to the island of Sardinia, where we have an average cigüity and there are ancient texts that speak of a Sumerian expedition that stayed in Sardinia, changed the language of Sardinia and left a cigüity. But, well, that' s a different subject. The fact is that all this relates to a megalithic cult of the Mediterranean and Malta is one of the tests. But it extends even in Valencia. There are carruts. I remember in Ayora I didn' t anayo was. I don ' t know if it was the Pedai Carruch people in Valencia, how crazy I had absolutely no idea. Listen to the subject of Malta. I think it' s a few things I' ve read about. I haven' t had the luck, like you being there. One, the subject of the hypogeum, this famous Calzacieni, because besides, those crane, those skulls

1:06:54 that are spoken of as extraterrestrials, have a particularity and is that we, here, at the front of the skull, have good, because they are we have a series of bones that are growing and so I don' t know what it' s called interaccipital lines. Well, we have some lines between the bones there so our skull can grow. Those skulls didn' t have it, they didn' t have it. That' s weird Those skulls don' t have those cracks so our bones can grow. They' re stuck there in a warehouse that can' t be seen or anything, unless they ask the Maltel Government for permission, and I don' t know if they' ve ever had any adn studies or anything. But that' s a super crazy thing. And then, in addition, the theme of Gigantia, which looks like a temple for giants with colossal stones and sizes with them comes out completely absurd. All in that place of a megalithic culture of many thousands of years ago, where these mother goddesses appear and where the snake gods are referred to, because in the temple of Halsa Fiere it is said that there was a serpent priest who cured human beings. Alexander Bernal wanted to comment with that one of the mysteries that has fascinated me all the more about Malta is that of a mythical creature of the Silf Hoon who, according to some experts, would be a huge like a kind of sea monster who was able to devour people who lived in the south of the island of Malta.

1:08:25 There is an important 18th century clergyman, Thanashuws Kirchner, who in fact dared to say that he saw one of these mythical creatures stranded on one of the shores of the island of Malta. And since then, John ge Ivan and listeners have speculated a lot about whether it would perhaps be a species to this day unclassified. This sithun appears even in cartography drawings of centuries ago on the island of Malta Iuan You what do you think about it. This silfun would perhaps be an uncategorized species, or a sea monster or something strange. There ' s something very strange about sea monsters all over Scotland, because of course, you see the mythical famous photo of nesy of the Lagonese monster and you can say good they invented a legend, because not totally wrong. Before that photo, before the Lagonese, there is a tremendous casuistic of sea monsters in different lakes. Each lake has its monster, of course, older than the photo is and all the boom of the Lagonese monster. It makes me think that there was some kind of plesiosaudius who resisted the catastrophes of our eras and that, well he could have offspring and move around Scotland, because there are many ancient legends. I remember it was a boat where there was a kind

1:09:57 of monk who met a sea monster and said a few words in God' s name or something. I do not remember the story well and that remained in posterity within the biblical legends, good biblical, within the legends of a priest who finds the strange. Of course, mythology is tremendous. I think there' s some marine cryptozoology, good marine. Let' s see they ' re in lakes, but also in the sea. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it' s not super, it' s super crazy It' s okay for these beings to show up And, above all, apart from Scotland, I didn' t know that data that you said appeared on the island of Malta, where there are a number of riddles that have taken us thousands of years ago, where they also place us in those star temples, in connection with the gods and of which we know very little, and also, with those skulls that really look like beings from other worlds. Hey, in your book, we got, like, ten minutes of interview in your book, it looks like a theme. I find it fascinating that you relate it to these star temples, because you have a chapter in which you talk about modern star temples today, modern star temples. And there we are going to surprise him, because there are temples that have been made today and some of them even with prophetic messages, stellar temples in ancient times that marked the history of men and now others that continue to challenge us. But if you

1:11:31 want to know about this, you miss the interview with Iván Martínez that continues ah Yes, like things that relate us to the stars and in this part of your book tell us about the guiding stone of Georgia, that these are stones that appeared in Georgia with a series of tremendously cryptic messages that then someone charged them, that I am not very clear why those stones were loaded. I don' t know if you were there or you put it simply because it' s an ennio that you' re passionate about and that' s a challenge for you look. It was just when I wrote that chapter, when the news showed that they bombed and destroyed them, and I say how this can be more synchronicidal. Yes and clear are modern stone temples. For one thing, from the mystery of full Canelli and the mystery of cathedrals, we know that the great masons built cathedrals used the same concepts as the megalithic alignment of ancient times as an initiatic method. That is to say, great cathedrals or modern constructions try to imitate the sacred knowledge of antiquity because within Freemasonry it was a kind of seal that they themselves gave themselves as great builders.

1:12:58 And of course, the full Caneli thing is a mystery, but in the case of Georgia' s stones, this was a mysterious figure who one day came there and ordered a stoneman to build these stones with commandments or phrases in different languages and became very famous, because, well, after turning off a million dollars and disappearing the letters or commandments that said these stones, it was to keep the world population at less than a percentage. That is why they became famous as the stones of the Illuminati in name to good those perfectionists.

1:13:40 No and well, I don' t know very well why they planted bombs back then when I wrote the book and completely loaded Georgia' s famous stones. An unsolved mystery is that it' s a very crazy thing. For example, they put this in a thousand nine hundred and eighty. The guy who orders them and you post a message doesn' t know who it was. It is also necessary to buy the land the stone. I' m looking here in the photo itself and such were huge. They were tremendous monoliths full of completely cryptic messages and we don' t know who took it or why. So, I just don' t understand any of this. Uncle nothing, Alexander Bernal Ange, is that the message that these guiding stones of Georgia had said the following, to keep humanity less than five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature, to wisely guide reproduction, improving the condition and diversity of humanity, to unite humanity with a new living language, to govern passion, faith and tradition and all things with tempered reason, as iván Te very well said. It suggests that it clearly seems like a guide, a series of morning precepts, precisely in the United States and Corrijo decided to keep humanity to less than five hundred billion. And besides, he has ideas about Eugenesia, because, as you well said, it seems that what they want is

1:15:11 to try to control the world birth rate. But, in fact, I don' t know if you knew, but at the CIA facility they had to build a mini stone heads with a lot of letters inside the cryptography, leaving some messages that few have deciphered very interesting. They call it cryptex or cryptos. Of that I had no idea there was a ministon hats in the CIA, and the director ordered it to be built so that there was someone who could solve the riddle. And three messages. They have discovered two over the years, but the great message only comes out when they discover the three and they are giant cylinders, made of iron and silver with lots of letters that have a code message, and the biggest cryptographers within the CIA tried to solve them unsuccessfully and there were mysterious figures that were independent, which deciphered it into all different mystery. But it enters into the catalog of modern megalithic monuments.

1:16:17 But not only modern megalithic monument, but like that ancient message that we were talking about pyramids, that has Calanis or becliy Tepe and so suddenly there would be as a group calls the sects or whatever, as were the illuminatis, that illuminati, for people who have never heard of this. It was simply a Masonic group that was born in Bavaria, that carried a lord named Adam Waysehout and that these people really changed the world because they were behind the birth of the French Republic and the birth of the United States of America, which are the first two modern democracy in history. And this thing I' m talking about, redundancy, it' s history. They' re done different things and then they' re back or they' re not. But this kind of thing, like the stones of Georgia, which have done certain Masonic groups and so does make us think that, maybe there are people who might have a series of data and knowledge that the rest of us don' t have. But from time to time they put this kind of thing to us, like Georgia' s guiding stones, so that the one who quite understand few words missing is able to reach a cryptic message that the vast majority of humanity does not know or know. Hey ivan I want to comment now with you, as a little minutitos are missing well, the new Boom in archaeology worldwide. I don' t know if you' ve been to me.

1:17:45 I would love to go that it is a padan in Indonesia, because just a few months ago a group of scientists from Indonesia demonstrated with tests of geor radas not only that the base of the pyramid of with a padam has three cameras where everything is to be investigated and that we do not know what its content is, but that it would also have the barbarity of thirty thousand years old. You heard me well. I wasn' t wrong in this is a rat thirty thousand years old. Watch out for this which is a place where In addition, today they continue to become hidden. People in the area are going to do healing rituals at the base of the pyramid Today what they think of Goodun Pann and if this is going to be a new paradigm, like Gobe Clydepe and maybe, we have to start looking at Asia differently, at different places, because this can change history, because it does look.

1:18:45 At the end of my book there is a small chapter of star temples that I have not visited. It' s a very small chapter at the end and mentioned with a clear para, the same thing that was Gobegli Tepe for the Sumedia, for the old its mean, like rewriting the story, because now we have the same thing again. Gn a Parang will really be what will make the gobergliy get you not the oldest thing within the constructions that require, as a type of technology and knowledge, because of course it is not the same a megalithic temple lost from three hundred years ago as a construction that has to be measured with perhaps technological knowledge. And in the case of Gunum Padang it has been spoken as if it were some kind of inverted pyramid, like there is a series of very old cameras and some oquities that have not yet been discovered. Of course I investigated this and it seems that in principle many people went up to pray and didn' t know very well why, by oral tradition, by very old legends, they went up and what they didn' t know was that there was a huge construction underneath. The place is very striking, because you see large pillars scattered throughout the area, which are geological. It must be said that they are natural. Well, 100% is known, but the most logical hypothesis that is natural, because

1:20:15 there are layers of rock that can be totally normal, but they are striking. And I think it was Graham Hancock one of those who went to investigate there are James exact. He fought a lot with the government, a lot to get that out of the air, because they didn' t want to know anything, they didn' t want to make it visible, or anything. And in the end it seems that it has been achieved that the goal archaeology hand there because they have discovered that it is tremendously old notice and it is a fight between archaeology and the most conventional science, because it is a guy is a geologist with with a geo Radar, which was also the one who also worked with Karajan Janko and such that he said to see you are digging up the top of the pyramid I for two thousand years, but it is that you have not made an archaeological tasting seven meters low or ten meters low. Just me, with the geo Radar, I can get to where you don' t get to. The cameras and the whole story are up.

1:21:15 I think it' s a really exciting thing. I don' t know why maybe I' m crazy, but I do relate it to another great archaeological ening, but it' s my turn to go Asia, which is my big stranger. But in the coming years I' m going to make trips of authors Asia, the caves of Lanju in China, the caves of Longju, in China that are huge caves, where there is no writing. Different symbols such as the dragon and so many others appear that have been discovered a few years ago, that do not appear in any ancient Chinese text, that we have no idea they are, but that they are gigantic. There are some enormous, I mean artificial caves excavated with man, for ritual purposes for ancient Chinese culture, but they are not capable of dating it.

1:22:02 It' s a super crazy thing. So maybe things like Anjou' s stuff and what' s going on in Google a padan are going to go to us like we have such a Western view of how culture is born and so on in Europe' s growing fertile. Besides and North Africa and maybe we' re wrong. You have to start looking at Asia to rewrite history. Maybe the shots go around and we' ve never paid attention to this and it' s a huge barrier to me. The West East has a tremendous barrier. We don' t even know the cases of any mystery issues that happen there. It' s all not theirs, but it doesn' t come. Even the theme oven ovni doesn' t come. It' s all there to discover. Yeah, he' s not here. And besides, there are certain countries like China, which has all hyper censored.

1:23:00 Hard to investigate anything or do anything except for archaeologists, Chinese archaeologists, because there are a lot of pyramids in China that we are not even clear what their function is and can not investigate Alejandro Bernal then about the latest studies of these that could have been built at the end of the last ice age. Maybe you think maybe with it' s the vestige of another hump. Maybe. Maybe it' s because, since it' s so old from twenty - five to thirty zero years, we' d have to see how they could do that. They drink of very ancient knowledge that we could relate to Atlantis, that is, there was another very advanced humanity that, by whatever means, disappeared. He left there. His latest knowledge of rock, in the construction of Gunummpadam, is only hypothesis. What' s needed is to open those cameras and get in there as a researcher of that, but look at gobel and tepe that years and years go by and no one digs up, because imagine there in Asia I assure you that I was and no one had done anything. Except put this dome on top and ready. There' s nothing else. Hopefully, we will continue to investigate with a padan Johnnaguni that according to some underground ruins that in Japan, because there are a series of elements suddenly in Asia that no one has been able to investigate thoroughly until now, that archaeology is very reluctant, but that if they did not come

1:24:31 out of a humanity before humanity, a humanity that would have disappeared at best in this recent dray or at some event and from there would have begun a new humanity and we forgot the previous Ivan. We' re coming to the end of the interview and I could ask you about one thing, as well, because your YouTube channel is a great mystery. It' s going super good. You have a community of over a million people, and what I see is me being a great- granddaddy. I' m pretty old than you' re worth. And I' ve seen the evolution of mystery journalism from magazines to radio. Well, the Boom in Spain was the radio bonus with on the network being I' m forgetting the name right now with José Antonio les jj Te with the literature, feran dos Jimíneess from the on television and then it was magazines. Those magazines arrived here in Latin America and were very important. Year zero riddle. Now YouTube, I think it' s the biggest door that has the mystery. Let' s not fool ourselves into this mystery night show, where there' s more repercussion. He' s got that one on YouTube. Now video podcast formats are emerging how to see the evolution good and a lot of characters are coming out that say good crazy since you. I also say this because of what happened the other day in the Jordi Wild program, that people know it, it became super viral and so that there is a series of characters that point to this from the point of view simply to steal how they see the evolution of mystery journalism with these

1:26:04 new media and so on and with everything that is going on, how they see evolution over the next two or three years. I think no one can predict more to see. I have to talk about how there was a legacy of people before me, such as, for example, Antonio Rivera or Andreas Faber Kaiser, who very well treated in his book the secret the ruins of Nan Madol, which are a whole enigma, an absolute mystery on the island, where only the children saw in black and white and that, well, there were gigantic constructions under the water where they were removed, for even a mysterious silver sarcophagus. But the fact is that with this I mean that there is an ancient legacy of people who ventured to go to places, to do interviews, to try to search for the mystery in situ, as I have in fact looked for, because in these stellar temples, this I do not see on YouTube, this I do not see in other researchers who simply turn on a camera and speak that it is very good, because in diversity, because there is much more taste. But the thing is, it' s what people are looking for, looking for entertainment, or really looking to dig into the truth. Of course, there are theories that are poisoning the mystery like terraplanism and perhaps so clearly say Mr Mausan' s mummies. I think

1:27:39 there are a lot of topics that try to transform mystery into something else, into show business, into a show, and as there are many opportunities now. You turn the camera on and if you' re lucky, because you go viral, because people will be the one who has to decide what they want to entertain or seek the mystery of truth the future, in two or three years, I think the mystery will be in danger. The mystery of truth is going to be much more show than passion And well, it will be, because it will be a dark age for mystery. At least I see it that way, because it' s very difficult to fight such attractive ideas. How to find a cube in the Antarctic and tell it in a way that looks good someone' s biggest film against predaton. That' s very attractive. People are looking to entertain themselves, but there are people who are really looking for the truth. I think those people will be the ones who find our content and see there, beyond. What you said seems super wise to me in the sense. I' m now going to post a video on my YouTube channel about that. It' s fine in shadow ocultural.

1:29:01 It reminds me to a certain extent of what is happening now. I hope I' m wrong as when in Spain, here people in Latin America don' t dimension it. You remember when you started making junk TV and completely absurd characters came out, ridiculing the mystery. And I remember once this was like in the year ninety- eight ninety- nine, a talk I had with Fernando Jiménez de Roso, may he rest in peace that for people who don' t know him, he was a well- known person in Spain and Latin America and he called me Vallejito. Never sell your image because they' re going to give you back then It was a money. Okay, they' re going to give you a thousand euros to go to a debate and so to sit down with a bunch of characters that are completely ridiculous.

1:29:46 You' re gonna screw up your image. Your image, it' s gonna get screwed. You' re already eating from your image or the story is and I' m taking a lot of Fernando' s reflection or what you just did. You in the sense that effectively, you take a tremendously fantastic story and the account that seems to be consensual and that grabs an absurd virality. And that gives people money. It used to be the junk and now it' s all the networks and YouTube and twitch and so on. And all this, because they go in there and I think there' s going to be a lot of opportunist that will do it. You wanted to comment. I do that in the end these kinds of attitudes what it does is put more doors to mystery and close them, because people from the outside will say good. They' re a bunch of crazy people. They ' re all the same, but it' s not when they put us in the same sack that people have more doors, that is, I see it, as well as they close your vision to the particular thing when you see it as a whole already stained by these things, but well, very complicated, well, yes, well, we have to keep doing our thing to our work, Thank God, the Three are doing very well to keep going around and ready and all these things that come up, because the worst thing is that you' re right, is that the next few years are going to happen more, because as they have become so viral, there are going to be people who get into the opportunism of this sheath. But well,

1:31:16 well, gentlemen, we have already reached the end of the interview and super recommended the book The Enigma of Iván Martínez' s Star Temples. You ' ve got it all over the continent. Here you can buy it through Amazon, very easy. And Ivan wants to have some conclusion and some closure for dinner, for closing or for dinner I was wrong already thinking about lunch time, he wants to tell you some comment for your social networks your YouTube channel called Big Mystery. Nothing. Just grateful for this talk. I' ve been very comfortable with you and well, I hope you repeat the next insurance friend, a hug and thank you so much. Anyway, and we ' ve ended up talking about a topic that' s topical, that' s what' s happening on YouTube with the mystery issues. I think it was because of the debate that Jordi Wild did with a guy named Mr.

1:32:14 Tartaria, who does not mention me directly, but there was a Spanish journalist there in Bogotá and such a stupid and good thing, because to see the media change and everything changes. You' ve got a YouTube channel that' s mandrating the mystery. I have one hidden behind the shadow, where you also give me a hand. And well, on our YouTube channels we have topics that maybe, well, we think they can' t get in here or that it' s not right for them to get in here. Or Alejandro, who has more time, isn' t like me who' s made a mess, because you put a lot of news on your YouTube channel on Mandragon to mysteriut. But yes, it' s true that with this YouTube- Tiktok network thing and so a whole series of people are appearing that yes, as they tell a very fantastic story that seems to be consensual because that' s that it' s brutal, not apart from currents like terraplanism and that kind of thing, that' s the belief already in the meth that everyone believes what they want. But also that many of those people sell machines that happened to them is that this is ridiculous to a contact of theirs, Nicola Tesla or super absurd and naked things in the game. Yeah, or what we were saying to Evan Martinez in the interview. No, no, I wanted to make a YouTube make- up channel, but the mystery works better for me. Well you' re interested all your life, all your life. So why do you think, Alejandro, then Juan, that to me what scares me the most about this type of characters and this phenomenon

1:33:46 that you very well describe, they use it if these characters, because I have always known, You know that always did not have that diffusion. What worries me are the groups and sects, the groups of thought that those islands that arise around these characters, that defend them to capable of sword almost as if they were politicians, that is, they are going to favor it, they are not able to analyze their discourses, their messages from a critical point of view. They really become almost a leader, a political leader. And that and that seems very dangerous to me juange because to me it seems good that there are all kinds of ideas, that is to say, whatever you want, that you say, that you try to argue it, but that these kinds of people who fanatize with that kind of messages tend to clash with other kinds of juanje users who don' t see any sense, neither want or mean, they don' t see it, they don' t find any sustenance and they just formed a controversy. For me, from my point of view, Jun is a free and pointless polemic to see if everything about Jordi Wile, from a point of view of wisdom, to see conspiracy in the fact that already, in fact, a book of conspiracy, conspiracies, for example, that happened in the Gulf of Tonking just days before the United States declared the Vietnam war to him, because even the same cia already recognized that there was no exact viennese attack then that, yes, is conspiracy.

1:35:16 But it is true that Jordi Will or Wail, as they say, is not English, it is true that he takes a subject that is, that is super viral, which is the thing about this guy who says that is the antartic and so ta. But all this is that he obeys as one. I don' t know, I don' t know if it' s a stupidization of society, a panalization of society. Yes, in other words, they are subjects that are becoming more and more absurd that go viral, that is, forgiveness, that hope gomez, goes viral taking a walk in the beaches of Cartagena. I understand, of course, of course. But some guy who doesn' t even have a pilot' s license, say here. It' s in the Antarctic, that extraterrestrial spokesmen, that the helicopter arrived. It' s there in that sheath, because it' s like you freak out that I think more than YouTube, even look at you, I think it' s Tiktok, Sistocktok, which is like you ' ve even sucked out of Tikto something because it' s the realm of that kind of characters and content creators. So that is, and good because it is already, for it is a social change with its good and bad things. But of course the media already communicated, that is to say before the media had a filter. If you and I say that a barbarous snail tomorrow is not long, I could not write any barbarity in the magazine or when working in Spain in the PRISA group, or works on Spanish television on YouTube, I say that the Queen of England is a reptilian and that she has relations with her nephew on an island of Iceland. And I argue it well and YouTube doesn' t monetize me and give me all the money to the world. That has some danger. Yeah, it' s gonna change

1:36:47 this, not even if it' s not gonna get any worse. Alejandro thirty seconds for your conclusion of your closing, though as but in the dialogue we had with Igual Martínez. I think the important thing is to promote, spread and also have critical thinking towards all. If neither of us sells a truth, we simply put information and that you know in this case, discern what is behind the same data that we provide to you. And we and I can be followed on social networks, on Instagram, in alebernal prez with les. Well, gentlemen, this fake messiah thing has been coming for centuries.

1:37:27 Be very careful because this type of social media creates characters that, from the point of view, are pathetic and incredibly thousands of people follow you this complex in our increasingly polarized society. But here the key, critical thinking, read, document, inform and draw your own conclusions on the issues that interest you. I think it' s the key to a healthy society and never forget that we live in a magical world, because it' s a mystery.