Amazonia, la selva misteriosa

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In fact, hello everyone how it
is there. My name is Juan Jesús

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Vallejo, that journalist desk, the
director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol

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Radio. It has almost seven million
square kilometers of a jungle, between the

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magical, the legend and the enigmatic. I am referring to the Amazon jungle,

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a place where still old shamans come
into contact with ancient gods, a

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place of enormous anthropological wealth, where
there are still tribes even without contact,

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and a place where expeditions have been
made looking for the impossible. You have

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ever heard of matin Guari, for
example, a kind of giant ape yetti

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in the Amazon or, for example, a place where expeditions were made looking

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for lost cities wrapped in legend,
as did, for example, in a

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thousand nine hundred and twenty- five
the British explorer perci Faucet in the snoring

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massif in Brazil, searched for the
city of Zeta, a city of Roman

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Greco style that, according to texts
that appeared in Rio de Janeiro, would

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have already discovered some garin peiros looking
for gold decades ago. But if you

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want to know about this and much
more, don' t miss the last

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mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio Amazonia
the mysterious jungle. In the year of

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1, 500 forty- two,
an expedition entered the depths of the Amazon

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jungle at that time, At that
time, the conquerors did not yet know

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the heart of the South American continent. This expedition was because Gonzalo Pizarro and

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Francisco de Orellana were looking for the
country of the Cinnamon, a region tremendously

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rich, in spices, a region
that did not exist, since that was

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in Asia and not here in America. But it was in that expedition,

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in that madness, that Francisco de
Orellana, along with fifty men, entered

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a river after having made a small
brig so that he could look for more

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supplies for his expedition. However,
it was a journey without return, a

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journey that took seven months to travel
four hundred kilometers, a journey whose scrubbing

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chronicler of Carpac de Carvajal, wrote
in his chronicles countless exploits and adventures.

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Men from Europe faced a new world, a world that did not know a

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tribal world that lived in a true
paradise, a paradise that still exists today.

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And it is for this expedition that
we know this river, the longest

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and most abundant river in the world, like Amazonas, since Gaspar de Carvajal,

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with everything in his chronicles, as
at a certain moment, some indigenous

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people that he describes as women,
fight fiercely against that group of Spaniards and

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then frogaspar de Carvajal and the same
Orellana and the rest of the members of

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the expedition said these very brave women. I' m sure they' re

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the same Amazons Ulysses described in his
adventures in ancient Greece. Everything far from

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reality. We don' t even
know if that tribe of warrior women really

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attacked them, that they attacked them
safely because Carvajal' s scrubbing even lost

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an eye for that adventure. However, to this day many anthropologists think that

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really with whom they faced that group
of Spanish explorers was with the indigenous yaguas

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who, having as a dress a
skirt, were confused by the Spanish with

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women. Anyway, we get into
the realm of hypotheticals. We have no

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certainty, except that the expedition was
real and that these men crossed that great

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paradise. The truth is that,
after that expedition and after the baptism of

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that entire area of the Amazon,
everyone knew that there were countless unexplored territories.

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I note that today there are still
unexplored territories, such as the Chiribiquete

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National Park, here in Colombia,
which belongs to the Amazon basin. Pious

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in that only part, Carbajal tells
how there were entire cities on the banks

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of the river, how there were
huge communities, and it was thought until

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a few years ago that the pair
of Carvajal lied now the archaeology has discovered

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thousands and I am saying well thousands
of cities in the Amazon jungle. In

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a few years, more than 90
percent of Amazonians died from the bacteriological shock.

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After the arrival of Europeans today I
believe that it is still a magical

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land full of mystery, an area
that has seven million square kilometers covering countries

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such as Brazil, Peru, Colombia, Bolivia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname

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and French Guiana, where there are
more than eighty zero plant species, three

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zero species of freshwater fish, three
hundred seventy- eight types of reptiles,

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sixteen zero types of trees. In
total, about three hundred and ninety million

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trees, four hundred and twenty-
seven types of mammals, one three hundred

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types of birds and on a human
level, the wealth of the Amazon is

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not left behind. About that natural
wealth. There are more than 300 different

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languages and 400 Indian groups. It' s a level of math and data.

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Really for me, the Amazon,
which is an area where I love

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and have been in Bolivia, I
have been here in Colombia, has been

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also in Peru, is a magical
area where still the whisper of the shaman

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speaks to the trees and birds,
a place where the places, where the

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places have soul, a place where
there are sacred sites, guarded by the

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power of ancient and mysterious gods.
An unknown land that still resists, five

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hundred years later to be really not
only conquered, but not even known,

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as if those gods of the Amazon
were stubborn that in certain places the white

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man should not enter, as if
he insisted that that ancient magic that is

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thousands of years old can continue to
live. Unfortunately, the 21st century Destroyer

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has put many of the species and
many of the Amazonian places in danger of

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extinction. A human being who is
increasingly predatory and who does not respect his

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own home. We have to think
that the Amazon is not only the place

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of earth magic and mystery, but
also the lung of the planet. If

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the entire Earth does not care for
the Amazon, this will be billed to

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the entire planet. A magical place, a place where expeditions are very difficult.

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It is a rather hostile territory,
with the heat, humidity, mosquitoes

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and, despite that, of all
the times that it is, I would

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go again, to hear again the
shaman singing that whispers to the trees and

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birds. My name is Juan Jesús
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show. And here what we do
is mystery journalism. We put the facts

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on the table and you decide what' s behind it and you don'

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t know what I' m doing. Author' s travel. The second

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fortnight of September of this year we
will travel again to Egypt, to immerse

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ourselves in the mystery of the Pyramids, to navigate the magical Nile, land

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of pharaohs and also of ancient and
mysterious gods. All the information on that

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trip is in three ws. Juan
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We took him out there without malam
Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how you

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are. Very well, Juan ge
a greeting for you, also for our

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guests of exception of this program Esteban
Cruz and Camilo Manjarres and, of course,

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a huge hug and for all those
who consume our podcast through the publication

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that we make every week on the
YouTube channel of Caracol Radio. Today Juan

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G a special program for all people
who have always been attracted to the mysteries

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of the Amazon. What great riddles, what great underground cities, a vergel

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and a great puzzle of riddles related
to the great lung of the world,

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as is the Amazon. Juan G. And if you like my work,

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I invite you to subscribe to my
YouTube channel. Mandragora Mysteries Mandragora Mysteries on

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YouTube. Indeed, a land that
for me, I love, I love

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the manzanía, but those if issued
by the Amazon are made hard. What

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the introduction said was not a pose, but that the subject of heat is

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moistened by mosquitoes. I still love
the jungle. I don' t know

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what has to hypnotize me, because
look above, throw the beach anywhere else

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in the jungle, if you forget
the world and enter another universe that is

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that ancient paradise and we have much
more guests. Obviously, we have our

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friend historian and anthropologist, presenter and
program director beyond in Redman, Esteban Cruz,

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partner friend, how you are.
All right, John Jesus, here

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again happy night of mystery. It' s a pleasure for me to always

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listen to you and participate. Thank
you for the invitation. If I tell

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you the Amazon rainforest, which is
the first thing that comes to mind Esteban

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Cruz, because I remember many years
ago he will be already in the middle

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of the Amazon jungle on the border
of Peru and Colombia. I remember a

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lot the river plus waves think it' s just jungle and water, but

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there' s really a lot of
people at night. It looked like a

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highway, full of boats, full
of boats, but quantities that go from

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one side to the other, very
large boats and also very small boats,

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and also lots of stories. And
I remember a lot that many of those

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who were there told me that there
was a lake where they did not enter,

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because there came out a sort of
being that they called the motel Mama,

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that it was like a sort of
island that they saw with trees and

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everything that arose and disappeared a ghost
island and that when people were around,

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they realized that it was something that
had head and legs under the water,

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because for them motello mama is like
the great ancestral turtle, which is like

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a living island. I remember that
still such a beautiful story. And that

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' s what you' ve said
curiously in the Amazon, it' s

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just to stop verancha good the Amazonas, the Amazonas, that one arrives here

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in Leticia, in Colombia and you
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of it, that is, it' s huge for people to come out

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an idea when it comes together in
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it starts what is the Amazonas River, it' s already three kilometers wide,

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it' s almost triple that the
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' s a real barbarity and it' s true not that you see a

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lot of boat passing from one side
to the other. But on the other

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hand, if you get jungle in
as soon as you' ve walked for

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two hours, you get to a
place where no one gets there anymore.

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I mean, it' s one
thing that' s really super, super

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crazy Amazon to me. I love
it, and here, in Colombia,

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we have a place that is Port
Cariño, which is crucial, because from

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there you can start countless expeditions to
the Amazon rainforest, both through the river

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and inland. And today we also
have another more luxurious guest, who is

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Mr Camilo Manjarres, Friend Camilo,
how are you hello Juangel as a greeting

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to you parafarjo and for going very
good night. And Juan, I think

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the Amazon theme is quite interesting and
I remember a lot of an author or

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a Spaniard, a writer named Enrique
Poncella, who mentions that history is what

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happened, but we ignore if really
what happened. And I think many times

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we don' t know if there
were actually civilizations in the Amazon, if

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there were, say, tribes,
who had contact with other beings. Then

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a rather interesting topic that we can
address tonight. Yes, the truth is

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that, if I repeat the Amazon
is a land, it is a land

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full of unknowns and mystery, we
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He commented that one of the most
curious stories of the Amazon, which has

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endorsed archaeology a few decades ago is
precisely that that in that chronicle of scrub

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par de Carvajal we were told of
countless cities that were in the Amazon and

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he described them like this and then
it was always said that this was a

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legend, that this was not reality, because good, because the Amazon soil,

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as it has a very acidic pch, is very, very, very

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difficult fertility, quite complex enough for
agriculture and, moreover, since no remains

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of cities were found, neither of
nor of anything, I repeat ninety percent

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of the population of the area died
from the bacteriological shock after the arrival of

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Europeans, because this remained in the
legend until a few years ago and on

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top we have more archaeological news.
It has been shown that, indeed,

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the Amazon is not that there were
cities, there were, but many cities,

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thousands of cities that are now being
rediscovered. Alejandro Bernard Tell us,

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what has happened in recent years at
the archaeological level in the Amazon, which

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has been in authentic revolution at the
historical level and precisely Juan Ge one of

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the most interesting novelties related to the
discovery of cities in the Amazon. It

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has to do with a study that
was published by Science magazine in October of

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two thousand twenty- three, a
very recent article that echoes a research that

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was led by a Brazilian expert,
Vinicius Peripatos, a man who is part

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of the National Institute of Space Research
of Brazil, who, with the help

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of Lydar technology to contextualize to the
listeners a very advanced laser beam that allows

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to look below the canopy of the
jungle, below what are the trees vegetation

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and others and with this technology,
peri Pato and a group of scientists could

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find Juange a really impressive find.
It turns out that they did a scan

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of five thousand three hundred and fifteen
square kilometers of and detected a significant number

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of patterns that indicated human action in
the jungle, detected more than nine hundred

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earth movements and up to twenty-
four constructions. Within these data, which

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were collected by Peripato and these other
scientists, not only from Brazil, but

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from other parts of the world,
they also established that under Brazil' s

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thick Amazon rainforest could hide up to
sixteen hundred and eighty- seven deposits of

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structures raised by the human hand.
Within these data collected by these experts,

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they also found seventy- nine species
of trees cultivated in an area they called

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about one thousand seven hundred patches of
forests that included several heitis near land works

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discovered in recent years. Due to
this discovery, Juange was a camel and

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listener, because, of course,
the Amazon, not only in Brazil,

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but here in South America, regained
a really impressive relevance thanks to this lydar

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technology, this technology that allows us
to show this type of structures under the

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dense Amazon rainforest and another of the
great discoveries that has been made recently.

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And this yes is quite new Juange, because it has to do with an

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article of the journal Science of January
of this year of two thousand twenty-

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four has to do with an impressive
finding in the Ecuadorian Amazon, a huge

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settlement of at least two thousand five
hundred years old that was also found thanks

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to this impressive idar technology. Specifically, the people who led this scientific study

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from France, Ecuador and other parts
of the continent found in the rainforest of

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the Upano Valley, which remains in
the Amazonian province of Moronga, Santiago,

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in our neighboring nation of Ecuador,
as it turns out Juan Ge found about

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three hundred square kilometers of what for
them would have been a densely populated valley

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with residential and ceremonial structures. According
to this study and this publication of sites,

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one of the most important scientific journals
in the world and the reitero,

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something that was published very recently.
There would have been at least five population

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groups that would have inhabited this area
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the six hundred B C E,
at least according to preliminary data, it

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is still not known how parts of
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According to the French archaeologist who was
the leader of this investigation and also

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the author of this science article,
Stephen Rostaine, This is a man who

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has been investigating this area of Ecuador
since nineteen hundred and ninety- six.

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Juange and they found something impressive.
They observed a complex road system that extends

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over tens of kilometers according to the
Rostein and the other scientists, this kind

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of roads or roads are connected to
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There are a kind of areas that, according to Rostain and these scientists,

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would be like a kind of neighborhoods
that would have very defined sectors, interspersed

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streets, rectangular crop areas, hillsides
where there were terraces of various types of

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cultivation. Really John gealgo amazing what
these experts found in this study of Science

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magazine. A compatriot of yours,
Alejandra Sánchez Polo. This woman is a

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Spanish archeologist from the University of Valladolid, who is one of the experts who

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has been there in Ecuador on site
verifying this finding. According to this woman,

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they managed to identify more than 7, 500 positive elements, modified and

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tons of land moved by pre-
Hispanic communities. The reitero in the Ecuadorian

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Amazon, in the Amazon province of
Moronga Santiago, is not that everything is

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crazy, that is, the number
of cities that are appearing in the Brazilian

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jungle. Now Ecuador, also northern
Bolivia, is appearing cities and what seemed

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like a legend of history, by
Gaspar de Carvajal, because it not only

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turns out to be true, but
it is also much more between quotation marks.

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Fantastic, that is, it was
understood that the Amazon rainforest was a

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very hostile environment, but still a
very hostile environment. There many people lived,

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millions of people had lived on the
arrival of Spaniards, Europeans. What

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happens that, when the population died
and as the houses and the main buildings

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of this type of cities were made
of wood and vegetable fiber, since everything

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rotted with the passage of time and
the tremendous humidity. And it' s

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also curious because decades ago geoglyphs began
to appear in the Brazilian jungle, that

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is, people fell trees and from
a drone a helicopter, it clearly looked

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like some kind of drawings made on
the ground. And apparently, this also

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has to do with the cities,
in the sense that those geoglyphs were the

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tons of land that the ancient inhabitants
of the Amazon moved to make their cities,

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which many were walled. And then
that road system that Alejandro Bernal commented,

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which shows us a fantastic world that, unfortunately, disappeared. Esteban Cruz

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friend you as an anthropologist, what
do you think of this whole story.

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You have to have him much more, You have to look much more at

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the legends than we initially thought yes, Juan Ge and there is one very

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interesting thing, and there have always
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Specifically, there are some that many
people do not remember because they place

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them in other places and in other
spaces, such as the City of Caesars.

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I don' t know if we
remember this story that really in Argentina

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is also when Dale Dale tells me, not that I the context that I

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had in the City of Caesars were
Argentina already very south. Exactly. Yes,

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but what happens there in 1,
500 twenty- eight, this captain

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Francisco César had heard that he was
in Permambuco, in what today is Brazil,

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that there was an entrance through the
water, that led to a place

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where there was the famous Sierra de
la Plata, that many say was Potosí

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and that is why they call him
Mar del Plata. But there are some

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theorists who say that the Rio de
la Plata connects with the northern part of

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Argentina, which is linked to some
areas of Bolivia, which today are Bolivia,

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which are filled with Selva, which
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Amazon and also of Brazil, like
the Tibnis and others. And some say

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that that city, which was the
lost city of the Caesars, that many

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say they were in the cone would
surreally be in the Amazon, in the

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Amazon, which was a place full
of gold and silver and wealth and advanced

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technology. Many say it has to
do with an area called the Sierras de

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las Pampeanas and that there is a
lot of jungle that already reaches the Amazon

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at the top. So many claim
that there are legends like this and other

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gold cities of the Amazon are real. And with these things he tells us

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here, Alexander, for they would
come true, no, because there are

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many more. Other lost cities have
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They have also been found in Upper
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in Ucayali, they have also been
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Then we could talk about these stories
being read from lost cities, from the

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cities of the Caesars. The Paititi
the gold could be completely real. Trapalanda,

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for example, Otrapalanda. I'
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Then you don' t comment because
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what you said about Paititi, goes
from the famous city of Paititi, also

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from the gold of the Incas,
that there are people who are still searching

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even today, to urban legends in
Peru that say Fujimori found it and that

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he took all the treasure out of
there. Moreover, I have already heard

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from everyone in that regard. But
it is true that all this legend is

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nourished, because the amount of gold
that was in empires like the Inca the

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arrival of the Spaniards is still not
easy to explain, although they say that

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that gold came out of the rivers
and such, but of course because of

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the bacteriological shock, all the communities
were isolated. If it is possible that

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in the Amazon jungle there were large
golden veins that were exploited by some indigenous

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people. And there are even legends
among dosqueros in Peru, among the Queros

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Indians, for example, they have
even a dance that speaks the chuncho zapas

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of the Indian, of the rich
Indian who and go dancing with huge chains

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of gold, so that those legends
continue to give us a lot of ground

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to continue dreaming about being adventurers.
Anyway, I think I was born in

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the wrong time. We were talking
to Esteban Cruz about that possibility that cities

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still remain undiscovered all that the scientific
articles that Alejandro Bernal mentioned to us,

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which are a past, that is, they have been discovered and four days

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ago, countless cities in the Ecuadorian
Amazon and countless cities in the Brazilian Amazon

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do nothing but demonstrate, as he
said before, that legends have a basis

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of real and farta pro electoral.
Well yet, for example, the forest

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of Bolivia and I don' t
even tell you the Colombian chiribiquete, which

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may still be there. Thus,
we have absolutely no idea Camilo Manjarrea,

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which you have not expressed on this
issue of lost cities. Yes, John

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that because in fact, I would
like to be a historical resource and understand

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why they originate like these beliefs.
And we must leave Juange Alejos, Esteban

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and each of the listeners that we
should talk about the great Inca empire the

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Incas, as most may know,
covered almost the entire western part of South

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America Juangelo, which is from parts
of Colombia, through Ecuador, Peru,

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Bolivia, Chile and to a small
part of Argentina. More Juange the population

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of the Incas. It is believed
that it reached up to twelve million inhabitants,

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that is, it was a fairly
large empire for this time. The

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most interesting thing is that the Incas
called their empire of Tahuanti their Juange,

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which means the four regions together here
It is extremely important and I share with

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the listeners to understand a word,
which suddenly pronounces it wrong, because it

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is in Quechua that they japakñan. What it means is the Villalandine system,

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that is, it is a wide
network of road Juange, that allowed

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the Incas to articulate politically, economically
and socially, to these peoples, that

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is to say a rather interesting thing
and that is, juanje Alejo and Esteban

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we must bear in mind that the
Inca Empire was divided into four regions,

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which was the antisuyo that was geographically
located Juange, in the upper Amazon,

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was a tropical jungle that was filled
with natural resources such as coca leaves,

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medicinal plants, gold and even feathers
of exotic birds. We must also remember

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that there was Chincha and his that
covered the most important agricultural region of the

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Empire. This Juange territory comprised much
of present- day Peru, Ecuador and

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a portion of Colombia, more or
less what would be parts of grass here

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in southern Colombia. We must also
remember the conti that supplied the Incas with

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important marine resources. And finally,
Juan ge Alejo and Esteban whose own covering

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southern Peru and, as I had
mentioned, parts of Bolivia, Argentina and

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Chile. Then, John who was
a fairly broad empire that expanded through much

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of South America, which obviously had
relations with the Amazon rainforest and, most

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importantly, in the key piece,
Juange and listeners were the famous Chasquis Chasquis

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were the messengers of this time of
the Inca Empire and were athletes, because

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these people, this native community,
they were in charge of sending the messages

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to the different regions of the Inca
Empire and obviously, they had to run,

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they had to be physically adapted to
face any problems that could arise along

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the way to send these messages.
So, John who, listener, listener

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and far you go. We can
determine that the Chasquis these messengers knew routes

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to reach these regions quickly and that
they possibly had the knowledge and even knew

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about the existence of these cities for
today unknown. That thing Amilo said seems

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super interesting to me and I'
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on onion again. I don'
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or not here, but, well, basically to see the capagan the Inca

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way. I think this bank even
knows this better than I would darken that

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I' m going to have twenty- five zero kilón, twenty- five

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zero kilometers of roads. I'
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zero kilometers. So what the Inca
Empire does is that in two centuries it

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expands a barbarity and, indeed,
it has contact with the areas of Selva,

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with the areas not only of the
pampa of the Puna until Argentina,

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Chile, here in Colombia, until
the area of pairs of Pasto arrived the

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Capañán, but that there was a
super rich trade between the different regions and

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obviously, the Incas what they did
was monopolize it and they actually brought gold

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from the Selva with exotic feathers other
things, and sold them to the peoples

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of the coast the other way around
and the whole continent was interconnected. That

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what happens is that that ends when, when the Spaniards obviously arrive, the

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bacteriological shock ends with ninety percent of
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Then, at that moment of splendor, it is possible that the Incas exchanged

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with the peoples of the Amazon rainforest. I pray, for other things,

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and not just the Incas, the
muiscas. Here on the cundiboyacense savannah super

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probable. That' s more than
likely and the story of onion flights that

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I' ve ever told. That' s what you' re going to

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Peru and where Lausangate Mountain is.
There are the kerosene, there are the

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kerosene from above, and the kerosene
from above, which is a tribe to

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many, were the slaves of the
syncales, bringing them things from the Amazon

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rainforest. The kerosene above know that
there is a tribe of kerosene down and

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they know that there are the kerosene
below, but they have no contact with

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them for almost five centuries. And
the kerosene below you go and ask questions

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that are near the port of Maldonado
and know that there are some kerosene up

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there, but they have no contact
with them. Centuries ago, then,

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when I investigate this, there is
a French adventurer named Antoine George, who

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told me this whole story. Then
he' d say no. The road

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was broken centuries ago and a few
years ago a quero from above came down,

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put some ropes and went down to
connect with the jungle, because it

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is an area that goes down from
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And then he tells me because the
guy put some strings, but when

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he got down, he saw a
barefoot print. He died of fear and

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went up because they say they'
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güey di chunchu are very violent Indians
who throw the invisible arrows. They throw

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with blowpipes and then they poison the
arrows with which they give you are very

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small, but with which I make
you a little cut, who sings impaze.

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Then it doesn' t come out
of that. That is to this

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day, researching in the area,
in the area of Cusco Vale have imagined

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centuries ago the contact that there was
that flourishing trade between different peoples and Etnia,

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that not everything was cuché paper and
beautiful things, because the Incas that

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ask the chimoes did not remain one
that is, no empire. It'

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s done by handing out little kisses. Okay. But indeed, it is

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a remora of a world that those
scientific studies that the Dejanda Bernal has told

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us, puts us clearly on the
table that was completely true this ban cro.

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I wanted to say something yes,
Juan Ge is that in the year

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two thousand and seventeen something very crazy
happened. It is that there is a

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village there in Cusco, in the
area of Cusco, in the province,

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if I am not ill from the
Convention that is called Juno, and I

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remember a lot that Juno went there
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He was a man named Javier Paso, another man named Benancio Escalada and a

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man named Justo Puma, and they
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That was the September nine of the
two thousand and seventeen when they realized

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that a cow, as I was
disturbed, approached, saw that there was

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a wall, began to clean and
then found a road and then some terraces

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and then realized that it was something
gigantic. The news came out for the

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world. And it is that in
this area, which is from Selva,

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they had found a litter, an
Inca city. And it is that many

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archaeologists, my colleagues say that many
of the Inca cities that were after the

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Andes, which were inside the Jungle, were lost. The Inca remember,

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they fled after the fall from Cusco
to Vilcabamba and there they had a government

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in exile near the Jungle. But
many say that there remained a lot of

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lost cities that still find us and
that they could be part of a jungle

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kingdom, which they called the Paititi, which was supposedly very advanced, that

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many say was Inca or pre-
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these discoveries are astounding, because they
have to do with legend. Perhaps there,

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in the depths of the SELVA,
are still the ancient altars, perhaps

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00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.719
there Juanje and all the listeners at
the bottom of the SELVA, are the

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00:36:53.119 --> 00:37:00.119
ancient places of reunion, of communion
among the ancient civilizations never found by the

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00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:06.599
Europeans, who had advanced metallurgy,
gold, which even had technology that we

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00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.119
do not know, something supremely rare
and hidden. And this seems incredible to

407
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:14.639
me because after that news no one
went to see, Nadila went to see,

408
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.880
because that is very expensive and because
many do not care nor are the

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00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:22.239
photos. And it was three cattle
ranchers who dropped a calf there and took

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00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.519
a lap and then said this it
is and they realized that it was a

411
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:29.440
bragging city like machu pichu in the
jungle and that' s in the Peruvian

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00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:34.079
jungle. Esteban Yes, sir in
quejuno is called the village. Within five

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00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.559
hours walking, these gentlemen took their
cows, walked into the mountain, and

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00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.760
that was what I told them.
There are even pictures of them laughing and

415
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:46.840
there walking the cattle on top of
good, great monumental steps. There,

416
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.159
they found them there. And it' s really surprising this case, because

417
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.000
because a lot of this news comes
out all the time and nobody says anything.

418
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.440
No, nobody says anything. He
forgets and he' s curious.

419
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.320
And there is a city and many
say it can be the Paititi. What

420
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:06.119
else will there be? What else
will there be? Well, a city

421
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:07.639
that I' m telling you has
already been looted and looted. Well,

422
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.760
there' s one very curious thing
to say. Tiran Bingham wasn' t

423
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.559
looking for Machu Pichu. Machu piche
we don' t even know what the

424
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.159
name is Machu Pichú. It'
s called the mountain forgiveness, the mountain

425
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.199
travels or the old beak. He
was looking for Vilcabamba, the city where

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00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:28.559
your Pacamarus hid and there was supposedly
much of the Inca treasure. He never

427
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.440
looked for Machu Pichu. Vilcabamba was
looking for the gold issue, a thousand

428
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.159
nine hundred and eleven, for he
discovered Machu Pichu and was told no.

429
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.559
Here on the mountain had fallen a
ruins and notice what he discovered. And

430
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.880
there is still archaeological discussion if the
Vilcabamba that we have today is the one

431
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.840
that the really Villcabamba that Tu Pakamaru
was in. It' s not even

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00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:52.920
clear. Ajandro bernal because so that
we do not get an idea of the

433
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.000
size of this city, which was
found in the province of Burrona Santiago,

434
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.320
he studied the magazines there in January
of this year. In figures, what

435
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:09.159
these researchers found were five four hundred
and fifteen platforms, one thousand and five

436
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:16.360
hundred eleven truncated culls, two hundred
and sixty mounds, with tops, rounded,

437
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.519
square, rectangular, oval structures,
others in d l forms and composed

438
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.679
of various levels. According to the
researchers, there are also squares, squares,

439
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:34.559
terraces, ramps and ditches in this
area. We are talking about a

440
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:40.840
large and monumental structure that would demonstrate
that the inhabitants of Ecuador, in this

441
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.760
area of our continent, had not
only a knowledge, but a form of

442
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.760
complex construction that is erected precisely in
this area of Ecuador, the province of

443
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:57.559
Morona Santiago. It is not a
barbarity what you have said p five thousand

444
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.719
silver platform five thousand four hundred and
fifteen, John, madness. That'

445
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.800
s a real beast. I am
already reminded that also at the end of

446
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:09.000
the last century, Jins Saboy discovered
the city of Gran Saposa, which is

447
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:14.000
believed to have about 200 hectares.
What happens to Gran Saposa takes about fifteen

448
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.920
days to arrive. In other words, they are in the middle of the

449
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:21.400
raid and, indeed, as soon
as people are told, there is wakea

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00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:25.880
before the archaeological investigation has reached Camila
Manjarre, I wanted to comment, yes,

451
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.440
Juan that because in fact I believe
that almost everyone has usually heard about

452
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.840
the Dora issue or about the city
of Dorado. And curiously there' s

453
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:37.079
the fight between o. Well,
it' s from Peru or it'

454
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.599
s from Colombia, because, as
far away and as you Juan that mentioned

455
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:44.039
and this ban on the famous Paititi, what' s going on here.

456
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:49.320
It is very important that the listeners
bear in mind that on July 26,

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00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:53.599
1, 500, thirty- three, Tahualpa died in the hands of the

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00:40:53.599 --> 00:41:00.199
Spaniards. What happens when he dies, all these Spaniards ask the Incas where

459
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:06.519
they' re getting all this gold. They say more words less, tell

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00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.039
them that there is a mythical city
in Amazonas and that there they take out

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00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:13.480
the money. What' s going
on? It was originally believed that this

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was the famous Dorado, the famous
Paititi. But when some Spanish settlers arrived

463
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:23.199
in Colombia. They arrived in the
Guatavita region. What' s going on

464
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:28.239
in Watabita? For a long time, some believed that the gold was in

465
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.800
Colombia because in the Sagra lagoon of
Watabita there was a very interesting ritual,

466
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:37.880
which covered a leader with gold dust, the next Inca leader, leader who

467
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:45.920
in Muiscao who was correct approached the
Guatavita lagoon. In this lagoon, this

468
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:52.000
new leader threw himself into the lagoon
and the other natives threw, because gold

469
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.679
in this lagoon, which led them
to believe that possibly the you was the

470
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:59.800
golden one. But what happens As
before I mentioned about this empire, which

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00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.880
was quite large, of the Inca
empire, for possibly both the muiscas as

472
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:09.239
well as the Incas and other native
communities of South America if they had the

473
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:16.280
knowledge and if they had as the
contact of that mythical sacred city and therefore

474
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:22.280
every culture engaged in native civilization had
these rituals related to gold. So very

475
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:29.239
important to understand that possibly all these
native communities had the knowledge and knew about

476
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.039
the existence of this mythical city of
Dorado. And as a curious fact Juan

477
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:37.800
that already to finish, the lagoon
of Guatavita is called this because, according

478
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:42.880
to some chronicles, it is mentioned
that long ago, Esteban and Alejo existed

479
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.199
a rather ferocious muisca that was called
Guatavita and one day he saw how his

480
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:51.559
wife, because it was unfaithful to
him and decided to murder the lover.

481
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.360
He took out his heart and forced
his wife to consume this person’ s

482
00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:01.000
heart. His wife, then,
obviously so badly in crisis, crying,

483
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:06.760
decides to take her little baby in
her arms and throws herself into this lagoon

484
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.760
and then obviously dies drowned with her
daughter and with the passage of time,

485
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.320
because this lagoon that gives the name
of guatavita, this ferocious Wiska that murdered

486
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:20.800
his wife' s lover. That' s what you said to give him

487
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.960
some information to clarify. Basically one
thing is the question of the gold of

488
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:30.199
the Incas and possibly coming from the
Amazon rainforest. There' s a very

489
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.280
curious detail. The Koricancha, the
most sacred temple of the Incas, was

490
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:38.280
a temple that was all inside lined
with gold, where were the Malkins,

491
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.280
the mummies of the Cinti Churing,
the sons of Sun, those who had

492
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:47.039
been emperors before and besides, there
was a replica of a forest in gold

493
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:53.239
with corn cobs in gold, all
in this way that blackboard. What the

494
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.440
Spaniards describe when they get there is
that in the coricanchan the first rays of

495
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:01.440
sun You within the theme. You
couldn' t even see how many thousands

496
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:08.679
of pounds of gold there was.
Then you have to think about the following,

497
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:13.320
when the Spaniards will not tell the
story, which is a little long.

498
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:19.280
But basically, when the Spaniards kill
Tahualpa in Cajamarca, what happens there

499
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:23.719
is that the Spanish blackhead takes Atahualpa
and tells his general to Rumiñagui, give

500
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:30.159
me all the gold of the empire
and I give you and I give you

501
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.360
to the emperor and Rumiñahui, whatever
was the northern part of the Empire because

502
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.679
the Incas were in civil war Uascar, who was the one in Cuzco,

503
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.440
were civil war with his brother,
because Atahualpa had married a woman who was

504
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:50.840
not Intipchuring, she was an Ecuadorian
indigenous woman. Then the treasure that brings

505
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:55.519
rumiñagui in an area of Amazon jungle
that goes from that to today' s

506
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.159
program, which is the mountain range
of yang Ganates. Legend has it that

507
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:06.039
he when he finds out that even
Gualpa died he on earth all the treasure

508
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:10.800
of the northern part of the Empire
in Yanganate and people who keep looking for

509
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.199
the treasure of the mountains of Anganates
and all this history. And then comes

510
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:22.039
the Paititi when manco capac Segundo,
hides in the forests Mincabamba and then your

511
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.559
Pakamaru, which is the last in
tip Churing, as it ends this with

512
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:30.159
this legend, while the theme here
and how the legend of the city of

513
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:35.199
the gold arises. It is because, indeed, there was a ritual in

514
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.599
Lake Guatavita, which was that of
the golden man, the man wearing gold,

515
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:44.039
and then the Spaniards distorted the legends. The Spaniards simply realized that when

516
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.519
they arrived in cities like Tenstizclan in
Mexico, especially Cusco, there was a

517
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:52.719
lot of gold and a lot of
wealth. And then that was already a

518
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.000
Spanish invention of my God, because
the golden man, because there has to

519
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.199
be in a city from which the
gold comes, that would be the gold,

520
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.800
that does not have as much foundation
as the Paititi, because the Incas

521
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:09.119
did, that they had a network
of cities already super important through the capagnan.

522
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:13.400
But, finally all that is a
story that seems to me, I

523
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:19.119
find it really exciting that takes us
those times from which there were treasure seekers

524
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:24.079
and adventurers that we will talk in
the next part also about this a time,

525
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:29.320
a time of conquest, of barbarism, of madness and also romantic time

526
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:35.199
of adventures. I mean, judging
the history of humanity is tremendously complex.

527
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:40.360
Anyway, since we have, we
have deciphered and we have been here talking

528
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:44.840
about the whole issue of lost cities. We' re going to take a

529
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.320
next step because if we' re
not going to reach half the points we

530
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:51.039
have in the region. Well,
there' s a theme in the Amazon

531
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:57.639
that fascinates me, and it turns
out that one of the things that made

532
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:01.400
archaeologists say can' t be possible
that there' s so much city in

533
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:05.280
the Amazon. It is because the
pH of the Amazonian earth, which is

534
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:07.920
a reddish earth, is very agitated. So, yes, then, the

535
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.280
plants that are adapted, the native
plants of the Amazon, grow there well,

536
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:17.639
but it does not give rise to
an agriculture in condition. And this

537
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:23.280
was until a few decades ago.
It was first discovered in Brazil. Now

538
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:27.480
it has already been discovered even here
in Colombia, in Putumayo, it has

539
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:31.320
been discovered in Ecuador, it has
been discovered in Bolivia, a thing called

540
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:37.559
the terra preta, and it is
that the Amazonian indigenous and this is a

541
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.559
mystery of the fuck, because this
is an opar, it is an object

542
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:45.360
out of time. And if we
knew exactly how this terra preta is made,

543
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.840
we would end the problem of hunger
in the world, because it is

544
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:57.519
a land that does not need any
kind of fertilizer, that is, it

545
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:02.800
turns out that the Amazonian indigenous people
who took out in concrete two with eighty

546
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:12.920
meters of layer of land and made
a mixture that had ceramics, human poo,

547
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:19.119
poop of animals, remains of food, rapas of fish, algae of

548
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.320
the river Orina. A very curious
topic is that it has a type of

549
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:30.199
coal that was made with a very
very, very slow combustion and with this

550
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.159
they made a black land that is
embankmented, I repeat, up to two

551
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.880
with eighty meters and it turns out
that that land, once you have made

552
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:44.440
it, does not need fertilizer.
For thousands of years, one has been

553
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:49.440
discovered in Bolivia that is five thousand
years old and still fertile. It is

554
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:54.920
an absurd thing, but absurd then
now the one who is investigating this much

555
00:48:54.960 --> 00:49:00.360
is a professor of the University of
Exeter MC Robinson, who has been,

556
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:06.760
for example, on the northern border
of Bolivia doing research on the terra preta

557
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.519
that has been discovered there. And
this is also a shame because now in

558
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:15.280
Brazil they are pulling out and uprooting
the terra preta and selling it. They

559
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:20.519
can Google you and send a bag
of terra preta to your house, but

560
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.079
we don' t know exactly how
it was done. We haven' t

561
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:28.079
been able to replicate it. We
have the chemical elements. We know that

562
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.440
there is land loan that is five
thousand years old, because bits of ceramics

563
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.639
and unique things have been found.
Bonus fourteen. Also that dating can be

564
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.840
done, but it is a mystery. But from the brawl. How these

565
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.400
people were able to solve the problem
of an infertile soil and created the most

566
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:52.480
fertile soil in the history of mankind
that science is looking for today. Esteban

567
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:53.920
Cruz, You, who are the
anthropologist, what do you think of this

568
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:59.280
history of the terra Preta, then, Juan, this story that has to

569
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:04.360
do with the possibility of transforming the
soils, of adapting the forest land to

570
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.159
the crops, which is very difficult. It is surprising because to this day

571
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:13.320
we do not really have large crops
in the Amazon. Let' s say

572
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:17.679
that when the trees are cut,
especially in Brazil, it has been made

573
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.480
to be sown or cattle, the
land becomes very bad and even desert after

574
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.360
a few years. And that is
the great mystery, because these cities of

575
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:30.719
which Alexander speaks to us had thousands
of inhabitants and how to support these thousands

576
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:36.599
of inhabitants and you have a land
deficient to agriculture, only with fishing,

577
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.639
only with hunting, only with gathering. That' s really a mystery,

578
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.719
because you have the cities, you
have the inhabitants, but for those people

579
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.760
to live they need food. And
if you don' t have, how

580
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.039
to produce food, because they shouldn' t be there, they shouldn'

581
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:54.920
t be there, and the legends
don' t either. And that'

582
00:50:54.960 --> 00:51:02.159
s when it comes into play that
there probably was and there had to be

583
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:19.159
advanced technology that we don' t
know anything about. We were talking about

584
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:22.920
an opar created by the ancient Amazonian
cultures, the narrow terra, something that

585
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:29.159
would end the problem of hunger in
the world, because the Amazon Indians created

586
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:35.000
a very dark black type of land, with a number of natural components all,

587
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:40.800
I repeat, charcoal with a very
slow combustion, human poop, poop

588
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:45.079
of animals, urine, fish skins, pieces of ceramics and those, gentlemen,

589
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:52.960
is a land that we don'
t know exactly why, but it

590
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.360
doesn' t need. I pay
for the millennium and Alejandro Bernal wanted to

591
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:59.880
add some information about this. Oh
as if I print in world the mystery,

592
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:05.719
nothing chance and no coincidence. Mark
Robinson, an expert from the University,

593
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.960
etc who has been studying the properties
of the terra preta, has established

594
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:15.119
that, according to his analysis and
that of other experts who have studied this

595
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:20.280
type of land, the only explanation
for that, had he been able to

596
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:25.239
sustain a position as enormous as the
one that could have existed in this discovery

597
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:30.519
of cities of Ecuador, which we
were talking about in the first and second

598
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:36.639
blocks would have been to create crops, growing from the terra preta was the

599
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.639
only way, at least for Mark
Robinson, to support a town, such

600
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.840
a large population in this finding that
was found in Ecuador. And also,

601
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:47.079
what this Mr mac Robinson, from
the University of etcetera, says is that

602
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:51.679
there is a lot more embankment than
people could imagine exactly that it has already

603
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:55.280
seemed like a lot of countries and
one thing that has seemed a few decades

604
00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:00.440
ago. And suddenly, because we
realize that good Amazonian cultures, because they

605
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.280
had it and in great quantity,
I repeat what a pity that they are

606
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:08.559
taking it out of their natural environment
by putting it in sack and selling it.

607
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:14.960
It seems like a real bestiality to
me Finally and let' s continue

608
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.400
with all these stories that have to
do with the lost cities in the Amazon.

609
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.519
To me there was a story that
fascinated me a long time ago and

610
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:27.559
that I shared, that I came
to write an article with my good friend

611
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:32.360
Pablo Villarrubia Mauso, the Brazilian journalist
who is based on the story that for

612
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:39.119
many is the inspiration of Steven Spielberg, from Indiana Jons, the British explorer

613
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:43.079
Perci Faucet. This is a gentleman
who made a lot of expeditions to the

614
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:50.360
Amazon, a madman from the Amazon
and researching at the National Library of Rio

615
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:55.280
de Janeiro, came across a manuscript
that was the manuscript five hundred twelve.

616
00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:04.119
It is about ten pages written by
ancient adventurers, people who were also entering

617
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:08.320
the jungle looking for riches. It
is a manuscript that is not clear the

618
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:14.119
date, but is believed to be
written around a thousand seven hundred and fifty

619
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.199
- three by bandeirants. Bantera Before
they are the people who got into the

620
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:22.000
Amazon jungle looking for all kinds of
Riches well, because, these go of

621
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.239
irantes that go into the jungle in
the eighteenth century. What they tell is

622
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:34.280
that they came to discover a city
whose entrance was an arcade, arches made

623
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:38.599
of stone. Inside there was a
statue and a temple with hieroglyphics that they

624
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:47.280
were not able to identify as any
kind of known writing. Faucet Read this

625
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:52.800
document, I repeat the manuscript five
hundred twelve at the Library of Rio de

626
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.119
Janeiro. Unfortunately, after the fire
a few years ago, there is no

627
00:54:55.159 --> 00:55:05.119
manuscript. There is a scan of
the manuscript, but it was lost and

628
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:09.480
besides this another very important thing happens
in Faucet' s life that, by

629
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.480
the way, the film that they
took out the city of Zeta, that

630
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.760
this story is about this, that
very bad film and that little were documented.

631
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.079
Also in what happened in reality,
that is, film but terrible,

632
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.960
bad in the money I lost going
to the cinema with forgiveness of the director

633
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:25.920
and the screenwriter, but they could
have read a little more. Anyway,

634
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:34.280
well, it turns out Percie Faucet
had a personal friendship with Heider, with

635
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:37.280
Rayder Hagar. Raider Haggard was a
very famous writer, who published King Solomon

636
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:45.000
' s famous book Las Minas.
Well, it turns out that one of

637
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:50.159
Hagar' s sons lived on a
farm in Mato Grosso, Brazil, and,

638
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.280
according to the natives of the area, they took his son a basalt

639
00:55:55.400 --> 00:56:01.400
figurine about ten centimeters high, and
that basalt figurine of a well- carved

640
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:10.199
and polished black stone. There appeared
a character with a rather strange headdress and

641
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:15.000
some tablets, with two tablets,
to be exact, with a writing that

642
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:24.480
no one could decipher. Basically.
What I was saying was that when people

643
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:31.719
took that figurine, they felt like
they had a little electric shock, a

644
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:36.760
thing that he could never explain and
that seemed strange to him. He was

645
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:42.840
also obsessed with the fact that this
figurine had to do with ancient Atlantis,

646
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:49.320
with a disappeared civilization. The fact
is, after reading this manuscript, five

647
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:53.119
hundred and twelve more, that figurine, which spoke of a civilization that disappeared

648
00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:57.880
in the Mato Grosso. He,
along with his son and others, was

649
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:01.360
lost in nineteen- five hundred and
twenty- five in the snoring massif in

650
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:07.559
Mato Grosso, and never returned.
Some speculate that some indigenous people ate him

651
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:12.480
or that other indigenous people killed him
or simply that he was lost because we

652
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.960
covered him. We' ll never
know. It' s more than one.

653
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:20.239
Another of his sons made an expedition
thirty years later to try to find

654
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:25.960
the father' s remains and found
us absolutely nothing. The point is that

655
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:32.920
Percy Faucet obsessed with this figurine that
gave him hacerr. What he did was

656
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:39.719
to hire a medium who, playing
the figurine, began to describe to him

657
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:47.400
an ancient island very large where there
was a volcano, where there were temples,

658
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:54.159
where there were people of relatively dark
complexion and that this island and that

659
00:57:54.800 --> 00:58:00.920
this whole island collapsed, which reinforced
the idea in Fauces that the city of

660
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:05.280
Zeta had to do with an atlantean
colony, that is, with which part

661
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:10.679
of the atlanteans had been able to
reach the Amazon jungle. Decades after Faucet

662
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:17.079
' s death, there was an
Argentine linguist, Aldo Tolengui, who was

663
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:22.400
watching because the figurine, the drawing
is, there is not the figurine,

664
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.079
but there is the decal of the
figurine with paper, there is a very

665
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:32.760
detailed drawing of it. Then,
this Aldo Tolengui was investigating the figurine,

666
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:38.719
which Percifaucet had in his possession and
came to the conclusion that these characters could

667
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:43.719
be seen in the Mediterranean and had
to do with a thing called the Libyan

668
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:50.119
script that appears in areas of Algeria
and Libya, in the Tuareg territory and

669
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:54.159
that some people even think that it
could be older than the cuneiform. But

670
00:58:54.199 --> 00:59:01.440
as there are no, these cave
paintings have no plant pigments, you can

671
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:06.840
' t do a carbon fourteen study. So we don' t know exactly

672
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:08.840
how old they are, although there
are paintings in the area that are known

673
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:14.239
to be at least ten, twelve, zero years old. The case is

674
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:20.119
that, I repeat Aldo Tolengui,
this Argentine linguist, came to the conclusion

675
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:25.800
that it had to do with lyric
writing and then he also came to other

676
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.519
researchers to think that the man'
s headdress, which is a strange headdress,

677
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.440
is a hat that around here is
like narrower and then, from the

678
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:39.280
top, wider. And yes it
is true that if we see ancient drawings

679
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:43.920
of the tribe d I saw him
from the Levites, those who could carry

680
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:50.760
the ark of the Covenant, this
wonderful technology, the headdress very similar to

681
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:57.840
that of the total Levites that with
this from the Libyan script, as I

682
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.639
had some knowledge by people I met
at the Foundation in Arabic euro, do

683
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:05.480
as a small translation of the symbols
that more or less understood with a dictionary

684
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:10.559
of roots that is the Mirus Taihi
And what the figurine says is at the

685
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:17.519
beginning or at the origin. We
record and mark as if to speak of

686
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:22.880
the origin of a city or in
a city that gives the beginning of a

687
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:28.760
story that happened before it is recorded
in ancient texts that are so metaphorical and

688
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:34.400
strange. It' s not a
different thing. And then also how curious

689
01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:40.079
that headdress that leads to that character
looks like those who appear in the temple

690
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:46.320
of medinavet speak temple of Rancés TEIII
in Luxor, where you see the attack

691
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:51.719
of the peoples of the Sea,
some villages that never identified where they came

692
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.639
from, that attacked different places of
the Mediterranean, that also attacked Egypt and

693
01:00:54.719 --> 01:01:00.519
that never could be known where they
came from. Then. This whole history

694
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:08.360
of the city of Ze that for
some would have to see basically at best,

695
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:13.599
not with a city in Roman Greek, as described in the manuscript five

696
01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:20.119
hundred twelve, but with the lost
city of Kyu Quu, found by the

697
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:27.440
archaeologist of American Michael Heckenberg, about
twenty years ago thanks to the tribe of

698
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:35.079
Cuikuros, equal cities lost everywhere in
the Amazon. We don' t know

699
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:38.960
why. It is very strange this
of the manuscript five hundred twelve that describes

700
01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:43.119
part of a Greek Roman city.
Moreover, in the manuscript it says how

701
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:45.800
one of the people, one of
the banterants, finds even a gold coin

702
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:52.599
that was very large, quite thick
and there is not the coin. That

703
01:01:52.679 --> 01:02:00.119
disappeared and Raider Haggard' s figurine
was also sold year did not take it

704
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.559
to Fauthet. It was sold years
later in an antiquarian in Brazil and the

705
01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:07.039
owner today we have no idea where
it is or if the figurine always and

706
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:13.440
simply disappeared a story that fascinated me
by this character in Plan Indiana John of

707
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:19.800
looking for lost cities and things like
that, this adventurer from the beginning of

708
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.320
the 20th century, who in the
end found nothing, but that remained his

709
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:29.920
legend. Alejandro Bernal what do you
think of this story, although fascinated first

710
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:35.639
because he has quite interesting elements that
connect with other cultures of Antiquity, as

711
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:39.440
you manifested it to us, Roman
Greek influence, attacks on the Egyptians,

712
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:45.079
was hearing information Juange and this story
became very popular in the United States by

713
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:50.119
an article that was published in the
year two thousand five in the New Yorker

714
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:54.079
newspaper, where he made reference to
this study of Percy Fause, of this

715
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:59.079
lost city of z and something very
interesting. Percy Fauset, in the midst

716
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:06.840
of his own expeditions, came to
live with some natives and they say that

717
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:13.880
this man fed part of this story
for the information he received from the direct

718
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:20.400
exchange with these indigenous people and privileged
information of these peoples who lived on site,

719
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:24.079
who were able to obtain this information
from their ancestors, from people who

720
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:27.800
lived there thousands of years and who
were also dealing with the existence of such

721
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.920
a place. John was a fascinating
story. Yes, which remains curious that,

722
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:34.400
indeed, there was a lost city
at the head of the Shingu River,

723
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:42.280
near the Snoring Massif in Mato Grosso. But I repeat, because it

724
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:47.320
is the city of Kikubu that covered, which was discovered just twenty years ago

725
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:51.079
and also, in which there are
some small stone walls, which is not

726
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:55.880
usual in the lost Amazon cities,
but in cuicuusi then was this the city

727
01:03:55.880 --> 01:04:00.239
of Zeta Esteban Cruz You, who
are the expert in anthropology, in history.

728
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.480
To me, what I find surprising
of the city z as it is

729
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:08.320
called, and of this whole story
it also has to do with reports that

730
01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:13.239
appeared there, of writings by Fouet
and by the people who supposedly were with

731
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.079
him, who also say that the
remains of Fauces are in a museum,

732
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:19.679
the bones have them stored there in
Brazil, which speaks of strange creatures.

733
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:25.440
And that' s what I find
most fantastic, because within these texts,

734
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:30.599
Foucet and his expedition claim to have
found spiders the size of a dog They

735
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:35.679
say that they had seen a spider
the size of a German shepherd dog and

736
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:39.880
also said that they spoke to them
that there were magical creatures at the bottom

737
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:43.679
of the forest. And it'
s just that the Amazon is really full

738
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:46.199
of things we don' t know
yet. It is a gigantic territory the

739
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:50.719
size of Western Europe, full of
jungles, where we still do not know

740
01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:55.000
what there is. And they also
talk about there are a lot of human

741
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:59.159
groups that have found themselves and surely
groups without contact there, living, that

742
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:02.960
they knew in the depths of the
jungles, of secret things. So,

743
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:05.920
what scares me from the whole story
you' ve told me, John,

744
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:09.760
and that they' ve told us
and that all the time it comes out

745
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:14.960
is that there' s talk of
creatures that for us can be fabulous of

746
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.760
this moment. But every year new
animals are discovered, not even in the

747
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:23.400
jungle. Here in Colombia, every
time they say a new type of dog,

748
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:27.440
a type of dog forgiveness, not
a spider dog, a new type

749
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:31.239
of gold, a new type of
amphibian frog. But you imagine, that

750
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:34.639
is what faucet says is or what
those who were with them spiders the size

751
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:45.519
of a dog who supposedly hid under
stones or were clinging to trees. They

752
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:49.519
also talked about a lot of roads
that appeared in front of them and that

753
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:54.880
they were sure they would soon find
a great civilization, because they saw roads

754
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:58.840
in the jungle, something that many
people still say they find there. I

755
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:03.039
have spoken to some explorers, not
titles, but natives. When I go

756
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:06.480
there people who say no, sometimes
I go on the boat and I'

757
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:11.320
m going to know what there is
and they say sometimes I find roads in

758
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:15.360
the jungle as if someone had opened
a trocha, and that doesn' t

759
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.360
make sense if there aren' t
people. No, it' s not

760
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:21.400
all crazy. I remember a while
ago Alejandro and I did him in an

761
01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:27.880
interview with Sebastián Almeida, who is
a gentleman who has a travel agency in

762
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:30.639
Ecuador and who makes traditions in the
cave of the stems. And he was

763
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:33.800
telling us it' s the cave
of the stems. There are spiders that

764
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:39.440
are about thirty to forty centimeters in
diameter. If he said spider, stor

765
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:41.280
a thing like that tells me it
was a thing. I tell you something

766
01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:45.239
absurd, but the size and a
dog of a Chihuahua dog got them to

767
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:46.880
Yes? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? That is one thing,

768
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:53.039
but tremendous And indeed, and what
is undiscovered, Camilo Manjarrea, what do

769
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:57.079
you think of the history of Percif
Fouzet, because John, in fact,

770
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:02.039
as you said, this van,
the Amazon keeps many mysteries and this city,

771
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:08.679
starting this manuscript and the whole history
of pause reminds me very much of

772
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:14.360
a discovery a few years ago known
as The Amazon Stoneheash. I don'

773
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:16.960
t know if you' ve heard
it all of a sudden, but we

774
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:23.280
' re all there, because imagine
Juan gel that I share with the listeners

775
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:29.599
that in the Amazon something is called
the Amazon Stonehash and it' s precisely

776
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:35.880
a megalithic monument located twenty kilometers west
of the municipality of Calzoenny, that for

777
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:40.880
those who don' t know is
the Brazilian State of Amapa to the north,

778
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:43.480
more or less of Brazil and that
I miss it to fall. Juange,

779
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:49.719
which is this megalithic complex, is
a group of one hundred and twenty

780
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:57.280
- seven stones that measure approximately three
meters in height and are arranged in a

781
01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:02.280
circular way and with the particularity of
Juange, of having a shadow that disappears

782
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:10.280
in the winter solstice, which researchers
believe this place was used as an astronomical

783
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:15.880
observatory site. Likewise, Juange is
relatively young this finding, since it has

784
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:20.720
been stipulated that it is roughly between
five and two thousand years old and according

785
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:27.920
to the dating that was made through
radiometrics of sel XIV, which took samples

786
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:32.479
from ceramics, which found ceramics near
this place, they dated that it is

787
01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:39.199
between five and two thousand years old. The most important thing is that the

788
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:46.399
Instituto de Patrimonio Historia Artesanal Nacional de
Brasil and the Instituto de Pesquisas Científicas y

789
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:53.880
Tecnológicas de Amapa were in charge of
studying this megalithic complex and, indeed,

790
01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:58.840
they were those who tied between five
hundred and two thousand years old, something

791
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:02.840
known as the Amazon stonehsh, which
is quite interesting. I don' t

792
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.079
think it' s a fascinating story. The amount of stuff we have in

793
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:11.119
the Amazon that we don' t
really know. I did not know,

794
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:15.279
for example, what Camilo Mancarrel was
saying to me and I was coming to

795
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:19.319
mind, for example, that here
we also have a very interesting place,

796
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:26.960
that is St Augustine, the necropolis
of St Augustine, which is also very

797
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.840
related to that environment of Selva and
where chieftains of the Amazon rainforest went.

798
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:38.079
To be buried understanding that this place, which is close to the source of

799
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:43.960
the Magdalena River, was a door
to the beyond, that is, that

800
01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:48.880
the interconnection between the Amazonian villages was
tremendous and that the number of cities lost

801
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:54.880
in the time there is something,
since we could never know what. Scientific

802
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:59.920
studies now very recent are showing us
that there are thousands of cities and some

803
01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:04.319
enor, but that there is much
more left. To know. Alejandro Barnalung

804
01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:09.239
on this Amazonian Stomhensh, the one
who spoke to us on purpose, at

805
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:12.640
this moment, on my Twitter arroba
le bernal presco. I' m going

806
01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:16.319
to share with you an article published
by the New York Times in the year

807
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:23.279
two thousand sixteen where you talk about
this finding and it' s very interesting

808
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:27.319
Juan Ge because he was basically found
on the ranch of a farmer from Llson

809
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:32.239
Camelos da Silva. Basically there were
these structures, this kind of megaliths there

810
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:39.119
abandoned on a ranch, on a
farm and when the experts went to test

811
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:45.920
them for carbon fourteen, the preliminary
measurements Juan Ge established that they would be

812
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:49.880
a thousand years old, that is, five centuries before the arrival of the

813
01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:55.600
European conquerors, a finding that puts
the history upside down and that reiteros.

814
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:59.479
I' m going to share them
through my Twitter. Thank you very much

815
01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:02.760
for n n n NS. What
do you think of this whole fauce story,

816
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.119
all this kind of megaliths and everything
we need to discover in the jungle.

817
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:12.119
I think the Amazon is so big
that there can be anything there.

818
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:15.800
And above all, I want you
to imagine this. If megalithic constructions,

819
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:23.960
if large lost cities, such as
Troy, were not found after years of

820
01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:28.720
searching in lands where they can be
practically seen by the naked eye, because

821
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:33.479
they are flat, deserted places or
with little vegetation. Imagine the jungle,

822
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:38.680
that is, you leave the jungle, stop pruning it for ten years and

823
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:44.680
already cover the entire jungle advances,
Trees grow, ferns arise, floods and

824
01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:51.600
droughts are frequent. If you in
a city like today Iquitos, Peru,

825
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:57.279
which is one of the largest or
the ende to stop cutting the grass,

826
01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:02.319
stop cutting it what you start to
do. Stop painting the house. Well,

827
01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:04.960
in a year, that sheath doesn' t exist anymore. They grow

828
01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:10.359
trees and break and destroy everything.
Imagine what it is will be a stone

829
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:13.920
city in the middle of the forest
in twenty years. It' s impossible

830
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:16.680
to see, because the jungle grows
fast and covers everything. If, for

831
01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:21.079
example, a large number of cities
have not been found in Greek Europe,

832
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:27.039
i e it lasted a long time
to meet, I say Troy again.

833
01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:31.479
Imagine the big cities that could exist
in the Amazon today are completely covered with

834
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:36.359
trees, and I think that if
you went there right at that very point

835
01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:41.640
where you were, there could be
nothing. There could be nothing, because

836
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:45.760
trees and plants have literally eaten everything. So I think that is the great

837
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:49.680
mystery of the Amazon, that,
because of biological conditions and climatic conditions,

838
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:56.920
it is very difficult for these civilizations
to be found or as it is said

839
01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:01.000
that in Colombia it was swallowed by
the Manegua Alejandra Ferna eleven, about cui

840
01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:05.960
cogo there is a very interesting story. When anthropologists and archaeologists began to study

841
01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:13.239
it, they realized that there were
serious indications that where this city of Cuicubu

842
01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:18.960
was located hundreds of years ago,
there could be approximately a network of twenty

843
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:24.119
cities on the site. They found
how these ruins and, according to the

844
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:30.000
preliminary calculations of these experts, in
this area could have lived up to fifty

845
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:35.600
zero people, i e, imagine
the size of Juange and the amount of

846
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.159
population that existed in this part.
This is South America Jun is crazy.

847
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:44.800
Indeed, Wiko says she was able
to house fifty- zero people, a

848
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:48.560
real madness. But if we want
to curl the curl, it' s

849
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:53.119
a couple of minutes away. But
go that Camilo Manjarrea does not expand it

850
01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:59.439
and if there were even pyramids in
the Amazon, Camilo Manjarres that is the

851
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:05.199
hill of the cone And yes,
juanje well, the hill of the cone

852
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:09.800
is a possible mountain covered with vegetation. What' s going on, Juange?

853
01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:15.319
This hill is located in the Sierra
del Divisor National Park, as we

854
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:19.439
have been speaking in the Amazon,
precisely in the Peruvian Amazon, it is

855
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:26.560
facing the limit of the departments of
Ucayali and Loreto. This structure, which

856
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:30.800
has been researched, is totally natural, has characteristics like an Egyptian pyramid,

857
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:36.960
that is, the total form of
a pyramid. There are some legends about

858
01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:43.760
this landscape and some natives believe that
this hill, and according to oral traditions,

859
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:48.079
is actually a spirit that lives inside
this mountain, which, therefore,

860
01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:57.079
emerged among the soils to protect the
local population. Other natives of this region.

861
01:14:57.640 --> 01:15:02.600
They rather believe and maintain that it
was a pyramid built a long time

862
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:10.399
ago by some unknown native population.
One thing that is very interesting in this

863
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:15.920
structure is that in this region of
Cerro del Cono inhabits a native town that,

864
01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:19.840
voluntarily they want to live in isolation. In other words, they are

865
01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:26.000
not interested in contact with civilization and
some believe that they can be a little

866
01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:30.239
dangerous, as they are voluntarily isolated
from this area, as I have mentioned,

867
01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:40.520
because it is practically areas of little
intervention on the part of foreign hands,

868
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:44.239
since it is practically virgin. It
is a little explored place and has

869
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:49.079
a large ecosystem and biological communities that
are clearly endemic. John, i e,

870
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:53.760
he doesn' t have any noise
contaminated by outsiders. One thing that

871
01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:58.600
is very interesting in this part,
Juan Esteban and listeners and distant is that

872
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:04.000
a few years ago, a local
newscast from Peru called La Voz de Todo

873
01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:10.720
Perú or RPP, published a very
interesting news Juan that something similar to what

874
01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:15.800
happened here in Colombia, and is
that the inhabitants near this place mentioned that

875
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:23.239
they were observing beings of quite strange
appearance, that some believed they could be

876
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:27.960
humanoids, something very similar to the
case of the humanoids of zarzal Valle,

877
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:44.239
that on more than one occasion we
have mentioned and Camilo Mancarres was talking about

878
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:47.960
a place that is the hill of
the cone, that it is good if

879
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:53.239
you see the photos, it is
a middle plain of the jungle to all,

880
01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:56.800
but super jungle closed and in the
middle of what looks like a pyramid

881
01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.479
that is natural genius, but that
of the strange beings, yes, that

882
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:01.520
did not know, as they describe
their strange places and how that story is.

883
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:05.479
Camilo Manjarres, yes, Juan That' s good. Then, returning

884
01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:12.600
the people who live near this mentioned
region that there were beings of quite large

885
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:16.279
appearance, about a meter ninety two
meters that they believed and assumed were extraterrestrial

886
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:21.359
beings, or so they said,
because they had never seen them and thus

887
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:29.520
had no human characteristics. This case
caught quite an impact in Peru. He

888
01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:34.560
made it to the news. Obviously, the relevant authorities investigated this whole issue

889
01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:41.439
and the Public Prosecutor' s Office
of Peru reported Juane and listeners that it

890
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:47.720
was not really extraterrestrial beings, Chinese
from different foreign mafias, both Brazilians and

891
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:54.640
sadly Colombians, who were clandestinely extracting
gold. But what happened Juan, that

892
01:17:55.159 --> 01:18:00.439
here I open a parenthesis and I
find it interesting to mention that good for

893
01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:04.399
romanticizing the violence. But sadly,
in Latin America, armed conflicts have been

894
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:11.119
very marked. No, and I
believe that an indigenous community that is sadly

895
01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:16.800
marked by these conflicts can determine when
it is perhaps a group outside the law

896
01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:24.439
or an unknown being. So I
don' t think adult people can identify

897
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:28.199
between a normal person or a human
being and how they' re mentioning it.

898
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:31.199
The only thing we can know is
that, because the Public Prosecutor'

899
01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:36.159
s Office of Peru mentioned that these
were not external factors such as these mafias.

900
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:42.720
But for some natives of this region
and inhabitants of this region mention that

901
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:45.399
they did not, because they saw
it with their own eyes and saw that

902
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:48.159
they were not human. Something similar
to what happened at Tsar Salvaje with the

903
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:53.479
subjects of the humanoids. There,
in zarzal in the year two thousand and

904
01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:56.600
twelve. And besides, what is
commenting to Camilo man Harre also puts on

905
01:18:56.600 --> 01:19:00.159
the table something that I think is
fascinating and this ban Cruz is a topic

906
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:06.239
that knows quite well how many uncontacted
villages are left in the Amazon rainforest.

907
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:13.359
Look at this, many of these
peoples know that we exist. We simply

908
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:17.079
fear them with all reason in the
world, because it was the Spaniards first

909
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:24.319
and then the rubber era came.
More now the Garinmpeiros or the people who

910
01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:28.399
exploit illegal mining and then all that
that kind of illegal groups do now and

911
01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:32.399
all the brutes who entered in centuries
ago is burden them with what is normal

912
01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:38.319
and many of these villages or I
recommend you a documentary that is called the

913
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:42.760
first contact that there is in Netflix
all these villages, some of them,

914
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:48.920
well because they are relatively violent when
they find a person who is not of

915
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:53.000
their ethnicity or group. Esteban Cruz, how is this whole history of uncontacted

916
01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:57.000
villages in the Amazon. Yes,
Juan Gente. But before that I would

917
01:19:57.239 --> 01:20:00.239
like to point out something about what
was being talked about about the cone and

918
01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:06.159
that is really amazing, and it
is that it remembers a story that when

919
01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:10.399
I am anthropology at the National University, I had been told and that after

920
01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:15.439
that it caught my attention a lot, and that is that in a thousand

921
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:20.720
nine hundred and seventy- six,
a NASA satellite that was somehow mapping the

922
01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:27.000
earth, took some very strange pictures
in an area called Mother of God There

923
01:20:27.399 --> 01:20:33.399
in the province of Manu, in
Peru, and what they found was a

924
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:36.279
kind of pyramid aligned stellarly very similar
to that of Egypt. Twelve pyramids almost

925
01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:42.479
all, according to a researcher of
that time, who was called Rolando s

926
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:48.439
latar Stambook, seemed similar to him
almost in longitude and latitude to where those

927
01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:51.359
of Guisa were. And then,
in a thousand nine hundred and seventy-

928
01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:55.960
six memories there was that news that
there were pyramids in the middle of the

929
01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:00.720
Amazon. I followed this and remember
that one Japanese expo who went there in

930
01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:04.560
nine hundred something I do not remember
well the date, which was dry.

931
01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:09.800
And in a thousand nine hundred and
ninety- six he was another explorer.

932
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:15.840
That one I remember is an American
Gregory of Yerme Yan and I remember that

933
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:20.239
he went there with other people and
took the first pictures of what we know

934
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:26.560
today as the pyramids of Pantiacoya that
remain in Peru, and reminds me a

935
01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:29.479
little bit of the story of the
cone, because those pyramids of Pantiacoya.

936
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:32.279
Today they are there in the middle
of the jungle. One can see hills

937
01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:36.760
full of trees next to the Mother
of God River, and many say that

938
01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:43.720
beneath it there is a formation of
pyramids similar to those of Egypt. So

939
01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:47.319
it is not the only case of
this famous case of the cone, of

940
01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:50.920
the famous cone, but these pyramids
of Pantiacoya, which many say, because

941
01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:56.720
they are part of what was the
Guyanese shield, which is an ancient geological

942
01:21:56.760 --> 01:22:00.680
formation that was worn out where I
was Amazonia, like the sawmill, the

943
01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:02.880
macarena. There are others that we
have here in Colombia, but many say

944
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:08.960
yes, yes, there could be
pyramids and civilizations, because the Amazonia was

945
01:22:09.079 --> 01:22:14.439
not always a jungle and millennia have
passed and then, perhaps there, the

946
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:18.399
vestiges of another humanity, of another
humanity that was lost in space and time,

947
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:24.079
because over time, because everything was
ending. And what we have are

948
01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:28.880
memories of those lost cities and continents, like Atlantis No and many others around

949
01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:33.800
the world. What are those pyramids
of Pantiacoya, what the hell are geological

950
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:38.479
formations or there' s something else. No one has done official excavations there

951
01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:42.199
naty no, because what madness it
is first that it is not finished and

952
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.079
then you notice, because, just
as people say from here in Colombia and

953
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:48.079
pyramid, they believe that no and
look we have the pyramid of the morro

954
01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:49.920
of Turcano and, moreover, in
the middle of the city of Popayán.

955
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:56.319
So it' s all a very, very crazy subject. Hey, Esteban.

956
01:22:56.439 --> 01:23:00.000
This is the subject of the good
uncontacted tribes left in Ecuador. In

957
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:04.960
addition, there was a monk a
few years ago quite crude, in which

958
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:10.119
appeared, for example, a woman
pierced by a spear by tribal wars between

959
01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:15.840
uncontacted tribes. Well, here in
Colombia, I don' t even know

960
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:18.000
how many tribes it is without contact. In Chiribiquete National Park there are uncontacted

961
01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:23.680
tribes also in Peru. I think
there' s a lot in Peru.

962
01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:28.000
Besides that there are very spectacular images
in this documentary that I told you in

963
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.840
first contact, for example, when
they arrive in an area, to an

964
01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:35.079
Amazonian village and because they are hungry
and take and take bananas and things have

965
01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:38.600
no concept of private property or absolutely
nothing. It' s just another one.

966
01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:41.720
It is as if someone of the
stone age arrives right now and stands

967
01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:45.680
here before us, it is another
concept of life. There are uncontacted tribes.

968
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.760
It is also spoken to the north
of Bolivia, in Madrid in other

969
01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:54.760
words, and I think it is
best that they continue without contacting them,

970
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:57.880
that they continue. Second of all, why integrate here. Although well,

971
01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:00.880
in that same documentary many anthropologists in
what they want to go out and come,

972
01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:05.159
because the social evolution is that.
Everyone as you like. Yes,

973
01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:09.920
in Brazil there is a state organization
called the FUNAI, and they are experts

974
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:12.560
in that, because in Brazil there
is said to be a large number,

975
01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:18.119
the largest number of uncontacted groups.
Then there would be Bolivia and Venezuela in

976
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:23.239
Colombia we also have groups, but
there are some stories juange that are quite

977
01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:26.920
interesting. When you talk to many
indigenous groups, with people from the jungle,

978
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:30.880
for example, the muinani here in
Colombia, the Psychoani, who are

979
01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:34.119
on the plains, or for example, when you talk to other indigenous people

980
01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:40.359
like the putumayo cofan, the Putumayo
jungles. They all have some super weird

981
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:43.239
stories, because they all talk about
other people at the bottom of the jungles,

982
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:47.239
and some call them the brave Indians, because they say they are much

983
01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:51.159
more violent and much more aggressive,
and others talk about very strange things.

984
01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:59.119
I remember a lot talking to some
muinane Teudosio Becerra, professor at the National

985
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:02.920
University, already deceased. He told
me incredible stories like that they had heard

986
01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:10.239
that in the background there were indigenous
groups, of white indigenous people, of

987
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:15.359
white indigenous people who were blond with
green eyes and that some had found them

988
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.720
and that they were hidden in the
jungle and that they were indigenous, but

989
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:24.880
white, as if at some point
in history some Portuguese or some Spaniards had

990
01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:29.319
been lost and still lived in the
middle of the jungle and they even spoke

991
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:32.920
Spanish. Sometimes she also told me
that as a Spanish variable. Sometimes he

992
01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:38.119
also told me that as a child
he saw how hunters had brought him,

993
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:43.439
some very strange objects that looked like
a Spanish wasteland and copper pieces and that

994
01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:46.319
they had been shown to him,
that they had been taken from a rival

995
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:50.760
indigenous group. I also remember that
there are in some mythologys also of those

996
01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:55.279
very nan groups and a greeting that
they called itoto. They said that there

997
01:25:55.680 --> 01:26:01.399
was a kind of little red dwarf
beings that lived under the earth and that

998
01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:05.800
at some points in the Amazon come
out. Others talk about cities that are

999
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:14.640
under water, about lagoons. Others
talk about creatures that are luminous, luminous

1000
01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:17.399
humanoid beings that live within the jungle
and care for it and that protect it

1001
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:23.840
and that leave no one between then. This uncontacted group thing is about to

1002
01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:27.119
be explored. There' s a
lot of them. It is believed that,

1003
01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:30.119
for example, in Colombia it was
to give at least two more in

1004
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:33.720
the Chichiliquete area and also in the
Guaynia and Baupés area. It is believed

1005
01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:38.239
that, for example, if you
were FUNAI officers in Brazil there should be

1006
01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:42.000
at least eight or nine groups.
In Ecuador, there is also talk of

1007
01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:46.279
Peru. Even a while ago a
group of them attacked Peruvian oil tankers,

1008
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:51.880
a group of Peruvian explosions, and
left only axes nailed there and no one

1009
01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:57.159
knows who attacked. So there'
s a lot in the Amazon that you

1010
01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:01.560
still don' t know, and
you don' t know what' s

1011
01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:06.000
really going on in an unknown land, full of legend, magic and where

1012
01:27:06.039 --> 01:27:10.159
there are still people who live in
the stone age and it' s possible

1013
01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:13.239
that they' re happier than us, who live in the 21st century.

1014
01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:18.399
And besides all these wonders, because
we also have unknowns that have to do

1015
01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:23.520
with geology, nature, because one
of the things, when we were preparing

1016
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:27.079
the program that Camilo Manjarré sent me, that I had no idea, is

1017
01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:32.520
Camilo Manjarres there a river in the
Amazon that is boiling. How so.

1018
01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:39.359
Yes, Juange. In fact,
this is quite curious, because this story

1019
01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:45.159
much if it was believed to be
fictitious, that it was unreal, because

1020
01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:49.760
John and I share with him the
listeners at the time of the Colony,

1021
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:57.840
when they were looking for that obbula
city of the Doravi more, many assets

1022
01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:02.479
mentioned that to get there they had
to go through a river going well in

1023
01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:08.079
the Amazon that was quite hot and
that if they got to get into that

1024
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:11.199
river, they died instantly. What
happens Juan, who for a long time

1025
01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:16.479
so to speak, explorers or academia
did not find this river as such,

1026
01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:21.640
but some native communities did know about
the existence of this river. With the

1027
01:28:21.720 --> 01:28:30.039
passage of time, people were forgetting
this story until they were completely forgotten.

1028
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.560
But what' s going on?
This river, located in the Amazon,

1029
01:28:32.680 --> 01:28:40.359
is more than six kilometers and the
waters reach temperatures juan than Alejo and Esteban

1030
01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:46.079
of eighty degrees centigrade. The first
records of the boiling river, as Juan

1031
01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:51.920
Ge is colloquially known, date back
to the 16th century, more or less.

1032
01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:57.680
But then what happens Juan Ge normally, not only in the Amazon,

1033
01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:03.039
but in different parts of the world. The boiling rivers run close to volcanic

1034
01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:09.479
systems and so, because they have
all this heat from the heat emitted by

1035
01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:14.399
this material. But what' s
going on in the Amazon? There is

1036
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:19.279
or is not purchased that there is
a nearby volcano to warm these waters.

1037
01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:24.640
Moreover, this boiling river, which
is in the Amazon Forest near Peru,

1038
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:29.199
does not have a volcano near it
either, because the volcano closest to Peru,

1039
01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:33.640
good closest. This river is about
seven hundred kilometers away. Then they

1040
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:40.720
do not know how this river reaches
eighty- five degrees Celsius according to the

1041
01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:47.920
accounts of John Stephen and Listeners and
Alexius. The native communities attribute this to

1042
01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:54.479
a rather interesting legend, a myth
that speaks about a rather fantastic being and

1043
01:29:55.000 --> 01:30:01.560
is a being called deacumama the yacumama
would be a sagrave snake that, therefore,

1044
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:05.720
takes care of this whole region,
this whole river, and that takes

1045
01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:13.600
care of the people who live near
this place. Likewise, the inhabitants living

1046
01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:19.520
near this river use the boiling river
water to make tea and cook. That

1047
01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:24.840
is a pretty crazy thing, since
they have mentioned and analyses have been made

1048
01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:30.159
that water does not know sulfur and
neither because it emits suffers no, since

1049
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:36.159
there is no biothermic system that warms
the waters. It' s more cool

1050
01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:42.199
than the most interesting thing is that
you don' t know anything about how

1051
01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:44.560
these waters are hot. Moreover,
if they have bought that the water is

1052
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:50.039
in a certain way clean and therefore
are used by the native Communions to make

1053
01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:57.760
rituals, whether traditional medicine and so
on, according to research, it is

1054
01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:04.960
mentioned that a powerful source of heat
is needed to be able to produce all

1055
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:11.920
this manifestation or thermal so large,
because it is that this river is totally

1056
01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:17.800
boiling. Some experts, John who
Ya Far and Esteban have researched both from

1057
01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:23.319
the vulcanologists' side and the geothermal
side and, as I mentioned, give

1058
01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:29.399
us an answer to how this is
so hot. Basically, Juangel already to

1059
01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:33.399
be finished, the water could come
or well, according to what they have

1060
01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:38.680
been able to investigate in the hypotheses
that there is, because there is no

1061
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:42.279
absolute answer or an answer about why
it heats up. It is that basically

1062
01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:47.279
the water could come from the glaciers
of the Andes that, filtered to the

1063
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:54.039
depth of the earth, returns and
rises to the surface and then sprouts in

1064
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:58.000
a way of boiling water and that
is why it is heated from what they

1065
01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:01.880
believe. But it is not an
absolute answer. Finally, this river as

1066
01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:08.319
such officially appears in the year two
thousand eleven, because there is a person

1067
01:32:08.359 --> 01:32:12.960
named Andrew Russian, who is the
one who discovered this river, even though

1068
01:32:13.079 --> 01:32:16.800
the native communities already knew him.
But officially in the two thousand eleven it

1069
01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:21.560
is that the BBC Nadjil and this
lady between Russian is the one who talk

1070
01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:27.319
about this river that for a long
time was thought to be something totally fictitious.

1071
01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:30.479
I' ll come back and say
it absolutely. No one knows so

1072
01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:34.760
far why it gets so hot and, as I said, they reach temperatures

1073
01:32:35.119 --> 01:32:40.880
up to eighty- five degrees Celsius. This sounds crazy to me. That

1074
01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:44.359
is to say, it seems to
me crazy that in the year two thousand

1075
01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:48.239
eleven it is established that this legend
that was before the indigenous, it is

1076
01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:50.800
real that we have no idea why
the river is hot, because I what

1077
01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:54.279
little there I read such, but
that is that you get into the river

1078
01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:57.760
and the body, that is to
say it burns you, it dies yes,

1079
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:01.199
and moreover, that they catch and
use in the water until as for

1080
01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:05.000
medicinal purposes and legs, when the
water of the Amazon rivers can not be

1081
01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:10.119
consumed or anything, because it has
a lot of vegetable elements and such and

1082
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:12.520
it is super gives you a diarrhea
that you die or is super toxic.

1083
01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:18.119
So this is remegalous. Esteban Cruz, you knew this story. Yes,

1084
01:33:18.159 --> 01:33:21.880
a John who did know her and
is one of the great mysteries. Actually,

1085
01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:28.479
as Camilo says, the interesting thing
is that you don' t know

1086
01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:32.960
very well where that hot water comes
from. Not because we know that there

1087
01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:39.239
is thermal water that comes out of
the groundwater streams that are heated with the

1088
01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:45.359
flows of magma or near to where
there are volcanoes. But in this case,

1089
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:50.119
in the middle of the Amazon,
this water is really amazing because it

1090
01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:54.960
comes out hot. Indigenous people use
it as medicinal water. Many times the

1091
01:33:55.079 --> 01:33:59.239
explorers who have gone make tea take
a glass of water, heat it up

1092
01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:01.600
and take a bag of tea and
make it and take it and do not

1093
01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:09.199
get sick because the thermal water usually
comes with sulfur, as they have said,

1094
01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:14.239
and it comes out completely clean.
Moreover, it is cleaner because the

1095
01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:19.560
heat is sterilized. The parasites are
dead, if the bugs are dead.

1096
01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:26.199
It' s a river of boiling
water, no one knows where the hell

1097
01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:29.680
it comes from. Then the most
interesting thing is the myths and legends,

1098
01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:32.920
because many of the groups say that
this is the water of the gods,

1099
01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:38.039
no, that is the water that
was created by the Spirits. No,

1100
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:42.800
and of course it' s a
relatively clean source, because of course you

1101
01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:45.960
take water from the Amazon. Indigenous
people know what water to drink and what

1102
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:47.159
water not to drink. If the
river is black, if the river is

1103
01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:50.439
white, if the river and they
tell to see if you take the river

1104
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:54.039
coming black. You' re going
to get sick, you' re going

1105
01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:57.399
to get amoebas, you' re
going to get gastroenteritis, you can die,

1106
01:34:57.680 --> 01:34:59.760
but you don' t see it
here like the water of medicine.

1107
01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:04.239
Of course because today we know the
indigenous people may not have known from the

1108
01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:08.800
western point of view that after you
heat water, because it dies, everything

1109
01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:12.560
dies, or most of the things
that hurt. This comes like this,

1110
01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:16.520
but it comes without sulfur and so
comes the elements of a water that would

1111
01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:20.760
come from a deposit that could be
volcanic. So, where the hell are

1112
01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:25.039
you coming from? Water? I
don' t know if it' s

1113
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:28.880
a crazy thing. Alexander Gobernal Ong. Along the river there are some areas

1114
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:34.199
where it has a temperature below forty
degrees Celsius and some of the locals use

1115
01:35:34.279 --> 01:35:40.039
them as hot springs, because because
of the temperature it is a water that

1116
01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:45.239
revitalizes, which has many properties for
health. But the crazy thing about these

1117
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:49.760
games is that, while observing this
temperature difference, some researchers realized that some

1118
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:55.680
animals that had bad luck or fell
or went to these waters were cooked immediately

1119
01:35:55.760 --> 01:36:01.039
in the areas where that of this
boiling river exceeded eighty degrees Celsius, an

1120
01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:06.000
absolute madness and a numality of which
it is unknown why this high temperature of

1121
01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:12.119
this holy day river, what a
story, the truth is that it is

1122
01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:15.640
a super crazy topic. Not and
like many things in the Amazon, which

1123
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:19.800
gives everything to investigate, it is
also practically nothing, just that it is

1124
01:36:19.880 --> 01:36:25.600
a challenge and that it is there
that makes this area so especially magical.

1125
01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:30.039
Well, gentlemen, we' re
already coming to the end of the program,

1126
01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:34.239
so let' s go with the
conclusion of the conclusions and the closing

1127
01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:38.640
of each of the guests. Camilo
Manjarrés, my friend, your conclusion your

1128
01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:44.239
closing and tell us you would go
to the Amazon to take a Juange walk

1129
01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:45.079
first than swim. Thank you very
much for the invitation. Thanks to You

1130
01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:48.720
to Far they go to each one
of the listeners and John ge clear that

1131
01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:55.319
I would like to go and in
fact so quickly I would like to know

1132
01:36:55.479 --> 01:37:00.239
what is called the flying rivers of
the Amazon, that is, it is

1133
01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:04.720
very curious originate in the amosonic region
and they are a stream too much of

1134
01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:11.439
vapor Juange that ascends from the Amazonian
vegetation and then travels thousands of kilometers as

1135
01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:15.239
if they were rivers in the sky
and from the perspective rivers appear that are

1136
01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:21.840
flying and it has been calculated that
the amount of water that can carry these

1137
01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:26.840
vapors would be more or less thirty
tons of water a day then imagine being

1138
01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:30.960
in the Amazon and seeing a river
in the sky and nothing happy to be

1139
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:32.840
here and a pleasure to share with
each one of you. I' m

1140
01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:36.840
fascinated by the Amazon theme, Camila
Banjarras, your social networks, your YouTube

1141
01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:41.680
channel for people to follow, they
can follow me both on YouTube and Instagram,

1142
01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:45.479
as a mystery or with double hysteria. Strip the dark floor. With

1143
01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:49.680
many thanks, my friend, to
this Ban Cruz your conclusion and your closing

1144
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:55.199
an incredible theme, that theme of
mysteries, of the jungle mystery of the

1145
01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:59.520
Amazon. And I would like to
say about Jorge that many times I have

1146
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:01.520
also spoken to Colombian military. In
conclusion, they say that when they have

1147
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:06.520
been they have already seen incredible things, but incredible and nothing can follow me

1148
01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:10.960
there on my social networks, like
Cruz writing on YouTube. I have a

1149
01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:14.920
channel. There are plenty of interviews
with these soldiers. I have a writing

1150
01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:17.000
Cruz pair called on YouTube and I
have a book. If you are interested

1151
01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:21.600
in being called Records x Colombia,
you consider it anywhere. Records x Colombia,

1152
01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:26.399
where there are very similar cases,
also cases of the jungle, mysteries

1153
01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:30.079
of the manigua and your channel of
youtubeb the audios of writing Gruz, truth,

1154
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:34.680
yes, Mr Cross writing. You
write writing Cross there, Writing Cross

1155
01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:38.079
Stories. Whatever' s out there, they' re undersigned. Free of

1156
01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:41.079
charge. Thank you, Don Jua
Jesús, thank you very much, my

1157
01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:44.560
friend, Alejandra Bernaldo. Conclusion of
your closing. I think it is one

1158
01:38:44.600 --> 01:38:46.560
of the mysteries that fascinated us most
in John than at least those that we

1159
01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:50.479
live in this part of the world, because we have it even close and

1160
01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:56.479
part of the Amazon in Colombia,
much of South America, possesses this great

1161
01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:02.039
wonder, this great mystery still to
be discovered, the great pulpmoood of the

1162
01:39:02.159 --> 01:39:06.359
world, an epicenter of mystery of
wonder of many things to discover. And

1163
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:09.720
clearly, I think, Jorge,
that to the extent that the years and

1164
01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:15.960
decades go by, the Amazonianus will
continue to keep many surprises and I can

1165
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:19.239
continue on social networks, on Twitter, Instagram and tiktok in front of prescos

1166
01:39:19.359 --> 01:39:24.479
lebernal and if you like my work, I invite you to subscribe to my

1167
01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:30.039
YouTube channel. Mandra mysteries Mandragora mysteries
on YouTube. Well, I think I

1168
01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:35.079
love the Amazon so much if it' s a jungle that hypnotized me,

1169
01:39:35.279 --> 01:39:38.920
because when I go to it I
forget the world we live in. I

1170
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:46.159
go to the past a past of
magic mystery adventure, where the shamans whisper

1171
01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:53.119
to the wind and listen to them
ancient and powerful. Gods are a land

1172
01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:59.720
of magic, a land with countless
things to discover, a land that has

1173
01:39:59.760 --> 01:40:04.279
made us feel free, because it
sticks like no other to nature, a

1174
01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:10.640
nature that can be kind, since
in the Amazon there are countless plants that

1175
01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:16.199
are medicinal and a nature that can
be ponzoñosa, since there are countless elements,

1176
01:40:17.319 --> 01:40:21.399
of plants, of animals, of
insects that can end your life.

1177
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:28.960
And maybe that' s why it' s so special, because in the

1178
01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:36.079
Amazon, you learn to live the
moment that is momentous, letting yourself be

1179
01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:43.079
carried away by the whisper of insects
at night, a sort of hidden voice

1180
01:40:43.199 --> 01:40:47.479
that arises in the early mornings and
tells us of preterite times, where man

1181
01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:51.399
was free and never, never forget
that we live in a magical world,

1182
01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:51.399
because it' s full of mystery