Abducidos, en la puerta de otros mundos

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In fact, hello everyone how it
is there. My name is Juan Jesús

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Vallejo, his journalist, writer and
director of the Night of Mystery program on

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Caracol Radio. On November 5th,
a group of woodcutters from the State of

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Arizona, leaving their jobs and returning
home, suddenly saw an almost blinding light.

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One of the lumberjacks got out of
the Travis Walton truck, and when

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he approached that light, he realized
that he was in front of a flying

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saucer what appeared a ship from another
world. Suddenly, from this ship came

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a huge ray of blue light and
from there, Travis Walton lost consciousness.

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Five days later, his companions fled
to Travis Walton and told him that he

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had been kidnapped by beings from another
world. The amazing thing about this story

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is that both the six loggers who
went with Trabi Walton and himself all passed

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the polygraph in a satisfactory way,
something that is impossible, unless the facts

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were true. This is the most
important case of abdution in history, but

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it is not the only one,
much less. There are thousands of people

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who claim to have been abducted by
extraterrestrial ships. But if you want to

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know about this much more, don' t lose. The last night podcast

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of mystery in each cabbage radio abducted
at the door of other worlds mystery night

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Juan Jesús Vallejo, November 5th of
the year nineteen hundred and seventy- five,

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a group of loggers came out from
Sir Graves National Park. It was

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a normal day. It was a
group of seven people in a van after

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a day' s work, they
kept their axes and others and went home.

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That night, however, none of
the seven will ever forget her when

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they were on a lonely road to
their homes. I repeat, they suddenly

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saw a great luminosity in the middle
of the forest. The first thing they

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thought was maybe it was a fire. They accelerated to get to the exact

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point of that great luminosity and,
before their surprise, what they gave to

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about thirty meters of height was a
metal ship shaped like a disk. One

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of the seven, the most curious
one, Travis Walton, got out of

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the van to get close to the
object so he could see it better.

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However, at the bewildered glance of
his other six companions who were in the

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van. That object went down,
began to buzz, and suddenly a column

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of blue light came out of it
that struck Travis Walton. They saw Travis

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fall to the ground. The six
scared to death, thinking that the object

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was going to attack them, were
shot out of there eventually. They turned

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around and returned to the scene,
but Travis Walton was gone. His six

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colleagues in particular were named Mike Rogers
who in Peterson, John Gollet, ef

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Steve Pears, Allen Dallice and Diam
Smith. They all went straight to the

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police station, to the sheriff of
the place where they lived, and there

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they reported Travis Walton missing. The
first thing Sheriff Marlin gilsp did is arrest

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the six, thinking it was a
murder case. He questioned them one by

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one in separate cells and before his
surprise about what they said there was no

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contradiction. It was all so perfect
that it made the sheriff think that what

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they were actually covering up was murder. They went out with dogs and helicopter

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for three days and found absolutely nothing. The sheriff was from the town of

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Snowflake, where the seven loggers lived. Those three days went by, and

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also, in the face of the
sheriff' s surprise and this was beginning

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to come out completely and absolutely out
of the usual, they sent from the

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prosecution to say Gilson, who was
an expert in passing polygraph tests to different

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detainees and for different crimes, and
say Gilson made the polygraph separately to the

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six woodcutters and six times he said
that the Is were telling the whole and

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absolutely the truth. If it is
true that the first person to get out

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of the murder theory is Zay Gilson, because he trusted 100% in the

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reliability of his proof, he said
that cheating the polygraph was impossible. Minus

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six untrained lumberjacks to be able to
do something like that. The point is,

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on the fifth day of Travis Walton' s disappearance, the phone rang

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in his house and he, in
a stun voice. Travis Walton, commented

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that he was at a gas station
in the state of Arizona, the state

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where they lived, too. His
family. He ran towards him and they

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found him very deteriorated and as if
he was really half- heard. They

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took him to the police station.
He was taken to the hospital and once

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he was replaced by Travis Walton in
the following thing, after impacting on him

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that ray of blue light and becoming
unconscious. The first thing he saw was

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how he was lying face down on
a metal bed, in an all metallic

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room and surrounded by beings about a
meter and a half high, beings who

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had very white skin, nose and
mouth very small, very small ears and,

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instead, very large skull and eyes, exactly like the gray ones you

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see in the movies. However,
giving even more details of what he saw,

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he said that those beings did have
pupils, that is, very similar

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eyes to humans. When Travis woke
up in that room, he metalized me

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in that bed face down, panicked, got out of bed and tried to

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assault the beings. The beings left
the room and Travis Walton began to roam

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the ship. He says he made
it to a room where there was some

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sort of star map with some buttons
on it. He tried to touch the

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buttons manipulate that if he said there
was a lever that when he touched it,

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even the stars moved. At that
moment a human being appeared like you

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and me, in some sort of
astronaut suit. Travi Walton tried to communicate

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with him, but there was no
way. This one led him to a

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huge hangar where he saw other humans
in an astronaut suit. They put a

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mask on his face, because he
was very nervous. There he was unconscious

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and when he woke up, he
did so on a forgotten highway in the

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State of Arizona. From there he
walked until he found the gas station.

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Travis Walton passed the polygraph. After
all this and the stir he got into

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with the sheriff, he passed the
polygraph again to Travi Walton and came out

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again telling the truth that seven people
cheat a polygraph without training for it is

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impossible. Travis Walton' s story
is that we' re not really alone.

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We do not know the intentions of
our visitors, but even sometimes they

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kidnap human beings, they take them
against their will, even if they return

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them. There will be cases where
they do not return humans. Our visitors

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don' t really know. But
Travis Walton' s story, if it

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puts on the table, that the
dark plan of our visitors, is really

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something we don' t know.
Now that they' re here and they

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leave a very clear footprint on our
planet and on us. My name is

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Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want
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on the table and you decide what' s behind it and you don'

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t know what I' m doing. Author' s trips this year,

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another world, so that you would
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you with the magic of temples that
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a message in stone, which is
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repeat, Three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo
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Bernal, partner friend, how are
you? All right, Juan or a

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greeting for you, for Richie the
controls and also for all those who consume

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this content through the podcast that we
posted on the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio

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ju Juan Gil. While you were
relating this experience of Travis Walton, I

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imagined his story, because I have
also seen him giving statements in interviews On

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purpose interviewed by Jorge Luis Sugtor.
He was a friend here from the house

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so I could interview him Juan Ge
and the story is so true. You

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see so much honesty, both hones
and so scary when this man relates this

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experience and something that has to go
very closely with what we' re going

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to talk to tonight' s guest, Nestor Berlanda, one of the most

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important psychiatrists in Latin America and also
worldwide regarding research related to extraterrestrials and others

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juange, and it' s that
when you told us that Travis Walton starts

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wandering around the ship that observes human
beings, it' s like these intelligences

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are manipulating him so that he doesn' t feel more scared what he'

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s already. Yes, it is
one of the theories that he has that

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it really wasn' t real,
but those gray beings, as he saw

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that they gave them so much created
this holographically or something. We' ll

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never know the truth. The point
is, well, the interview we have

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now with Nestor Rirlanda psychiatrist, that
a man of science gets involved in investigating

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these kinds of cases. A man
who is also a professor at the University

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of Argentina is extremely commendable. But
it' s good that we' ve

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had four years of Tía Sí Juan, we' re celebrating onomastic today,

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four years here on Caracol Radio.
Four years ago, when we were all

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locked up in our homes because of
the health situation that happened. For John

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Jesus and this servant started here to
bring you this space of mystery, which

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was initially an hour on a different
schedule. We were the replacement of Colombian

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professional football and thanks to you,
thanks to John Camacho, the directors of

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Caracol Radio, we are still on
the air. Four years later, thank

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you so much for the millions of
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People who listen to us live you
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your taxi or is supposed to work. Thank you very much, thanks to

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all that support. It is that
Juan Jesús and this servant are here on

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mystery night, because I think we
have tried to keep the magic of the

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radio, not tell history, look
for characters who know more about those stories

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than we do, do a true
journalism, a pleasant journalism, teaching the

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world that this really is mystery journalism. What he seeks is the magic of

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what surrounds us not seeing the world
with the eyes of a child, trying

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to keep marveling at us and surprising
us with a thousand things that are part

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of everyday life in the world.
Although it is a journalism that can often

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be so gencial, not that many
people see it as more this little thing

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And so I am tremendously happy because
you know that this week I gave a

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talk at the University of the Forest. You have it online on YouTube on

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the YouTube channel of the University of
the Forest. I think it' s

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wonderful. It was historic that mystery
journalism is suddenly given a talk of mystery

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journalism at a Colombian university and here
we are going to continue to do journalism,

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to have fun, to continue having
friends throughout Latin America. The program,

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I think, also changed and evolved
when we started collaborating with History Channel,

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as we started to have contact with
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well, with a figure, because
very absurd, we have passed the hundred

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million digital reproductions, on YouTube.
I didn' t mean anything, and

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just because we were when I asked
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about ninety- six million Wow.
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reproductions in the playlists, to be
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believe. I think this program has
become known across the continent, thanks to

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a man we don' t know
that the artificial intelligence of YouTube started to

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recommend it. And, well,
I don' t have the exact figures

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from other platforms like Spotify, but
I do know that we' ve grown

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a lot, because in these author
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lot of people who already hear the
program from other platforms like Spotify. So

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nothing, because tremendously happy to thank
all of our audience, the whole great

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family for the mystery that really behaves
like a family, because they do not

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attack us nor the scinacies by networks. They' re very quiet. It

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' s like playing, very calm, very quiet, already realizing that this

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is here and ready. Thank you
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in Camacho, but everything that is
the group Prisa and Prisa Radio, Felipe

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Cabrales that makes this dream come true. And well, let' s hope

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to continue not four more years,
but I want to retire here I love

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radio already. Yes, and I
can say in curiosity that the other day

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I was interviewed on a YouTube channel
in Spain. He was telling me,

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but what a shame that you don' t have a TV show in Spain

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with your numbers And so, that' s two things. I don'

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t want to make television again and
I don' t want to go back

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to Spain. I' m perfect, I' m very comfortable here in

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Colombia and I' m happy doing
radio, because the magic of radio has

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no other means of communication. The
people, the people who hear Podcast and

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the entire podcast audience are a very
special audience. There are people who like

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culture, there are people who like
to get into history, in our case,

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because they like mystery journalism, who
like to be talked about well in

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conditions, looking for data, looking
for truthful facts and putting them on the

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table that, even if they seem
impossible or very surreal things, are real

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and redraw the limits of reality.
And I think that' s the key

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to absolutely everything. You want to
add something else, John that thanks to

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all the great family of mystery that
has made on mystery night one of the

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podcas we have heard in Hispanoamerica.
Thank you very much, because thank you

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very much to everyone and after thanks
to the family, to the mystery that

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was forced. We are going to
start with the interview with Nestor Berlanda,

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a psychiatrist who has investigated many cases
of abduction and who has several books published

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about it. And the interview with
Nestor bel Randa starts like this. It

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is an experience that often begins with
a sense of lost time. Other times

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no, other times it becomes more
lucid suddenly to see a light that time

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happens as it stops and in the
midst of that series of abnormalities that appear

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beings that apparently are from other worlds, because we don' t really know

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where they come from and it is
very difficult to try to investigate this,

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not only from a serious journalistic point
of view, but also to enter to

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investigate this type of phenomenon someone who
is expert in the riddles of the human

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mind? And no one is more
expert than the riddles of the human mind

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than a psychiatrist. And that'
s why we have the luck and the

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honor of having for the first time
here mystery night in Radio snail, the

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Argentine psychiatrist, Néstor Berlanda. And
Nestor, it' s my turn to

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ask you the question that I always
ask to any guest who appears on mystery

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night in Radio snail, who is
Nestor Berlanda for the entire Radio snail audience

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and mystery night. Good night to
you all. Well, thanks for the

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invitation, thanks also to our listeners. Well, I' m a psychiatrist,

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and really, as someone who was
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time said, and that you knew
him from Chico, here in our country,

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who was Fabio Serpa, whom we
were going to see in the theater

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when we were teenagers. Then he
went weaving a friendship and he always told

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me you were the first omnilogue that
psychiatrist. And it was actually like that.

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I mean, I was interested in
Chico because of the omni phenomenon,

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because of the mysteries also of ancient
civilizations and all that, and then I

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started to study medicine and then the
specialty of psychiatry and obviously linked to the

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specialty of psychiatry, to the fact
that suddenly the greatest mystery that we can

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have an account is just the human
mind. And with the recollection of a

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lot of things you lived in Chico, I found myself out there when you

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look back and see in the cases
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seventeen years old. We, at
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which later formed an entity several decades
later, but they were two or

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three years older than us. Then
they were eighteen or nineteen. We were

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sixteen, seventeen. And looking back, I realized that I was interviewing psychotic

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patients many times that I didn'
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that we were already interviewing him.
I remember that on Friday night we met

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at my house, there were seven
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Mr Te' s case. I' m talking decade of the late'

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70s, early' 80s. M
was someone who communicated, he said to

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the little boys from the cigarette,
that is, with the cigarette of the

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lubuca, cigarette lit upwards and there
the little girls appeared. Well the weather,

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obviously later they were paraphrenic. There
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fréedic. They are those who have
delusions of fantastic characteristics. He was telling

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us we' re gonna fill stadiums
while we get to know message and so

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on. And several of those cases
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So, when you' re big
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middle of what' s the psychiatric
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a psychiatric interview I was already doing
with sixteen years before I was a psychiatrist

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and obviously that, although it makes
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that one is incorporating then, one
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easily differentiate when someone is having something
that is pathological or is experiencing an experience

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of another order. And that then
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time I remember that many of these
people wanted to look for either a psychologist

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or a psychiatrist who could tell us
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Today, that' s what you
do yourself. No. So, my

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career really gave me the chance to
have that background of experience, of the

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interview, which is the fundamental thing, of the clinical interview, which is

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the fundamental thing. I think in
a subject like this of mysteries and more,

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when someone experiences things, being able
to identify, being able to discern

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how far there might be a pathology
or not. And there in such a

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field of intrigue. Well, I
mean, Nestor Bernanda is a well-

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known person for his research, aside
as a psychiatrist and correct me. If

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I' m wrong that you'
re also a university professor, you'

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re a university professor, you'
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Argentina, but outside of Argentina,
in the field of ufology and research the

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other day, a very funny thing
happened to me. I, who am

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Spanish, was talking to a friend
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He told me men, I don' t know what, I don'

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t know how much, because Mr
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coffee in Victoria between Rios last year
was when we met personally. So if

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you' re a very well-
known person, let' s say.

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That' s precisely because your background
as a psychiatrist and your expertise as a

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psychiatrist makes you have to investigate certain
phenomena and certain facts, a baggage that

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others don' t have. I' m a journalist, I can try

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to verify fact, but I have
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Well, you' ve told us
what your adolescence was like. He

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loved the omni phenomenon studying medicine,
you become a psychiatrist and once he becomes

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a psychiatrist, you comment that from
there you see the phenomena in a different

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way and your investigations once he is
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When' s the first time,
the first case you say goes there.

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This guy doesn' t have any
pathology. This guy' s not crazy.

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What you' re saying is something
that can cost us a lot to

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understand. But the guy doesn'
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to speak with the profession on top, because one had investigated cases before having

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the profession. But perhaps the case
that we were able to discuss on several

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occasions and that coincided precisely with all
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five years and the psychologist Juan Acevedo
wrote the Book of Strangers. It was

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precisely the case of Julio Plamner,
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the year August nine of a thousand
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we had a group that had the
first contact with him and then it was

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a first- hand contact there,
let' s say at three four days,

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that group remains our friends and then
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year ninety- five ninety- seven
we were two or three times with him,

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including in some television shows, also
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Plamner was a person, I mean
because, unfortunately, he passed away a

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few years ago. He was a
totally electric person, no more than a

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totally credible person. He was a
person who had a question of selling animal

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food there in a Nifreda locality,
in the pampa that the pope is a

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province, he is in the center
of our country, Argentina, and nothing

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to do with all these issues at
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And the case of him is very
fresh. What just happened to him?

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The case of him is very fantastic, because he leaves the house of a

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gentleman who sold him all this kind
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at night, he' s closing
goes with the car, he' s

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closing the quiet, the entrance to
that room and suddenly he sees a light

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maybe so he has to cover with
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The next memory you have is to
see yourself sitting on a couch like

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a dentist. He says surrounded by
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because he can determine that there is
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breasts of round eyes protruded one meter
seventy- five meters. And he comes

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to that conclusion because you see him
similar to the height of a friend of

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his and one of these beings in
a place in a room that was illuminated,

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but he didn' t know where
the light all covered with a kind

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of brown color came from and suddenly
he sees one of these beings taking his

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arm, making a small incision on
his wrist and then putting a tuito,

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a flexible tube in just the bend
of the elbow and seeing how the blood

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is ascending, but he doesn'
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other memory he has is suddenly standing
alone in that room. And the other

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memory already has him in a van
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he looks he was on a road
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the room that actually turns around and
he goes to see if he had left

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the gate closed or not, because
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The interesting thing about the case is
that Julio Plander has the marks on

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the bending of the elbow and it
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two doctors, a biochemistry and a
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that it is actually like a suction. It' s not that there was

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a twig, just of course,
there' s not a function, but

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a suction. It' s like
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formed at that time, being three
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f photograph of the arm and you
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lot of white dots, like the
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cells that are left in that,
that is, you don' t see

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a puncture hole, you see something
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if they were just that suck.
Let' s say that not that mark

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didn' t have it anymore in
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it, but if it had a
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very small. The interesting thing about
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be regressed. Obviously, a lost
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But the most interesting thing is that
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year eighty- three, which was
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five. Ninety- four ninety-
four that we saw again. Well,

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I' d had two or three
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in another event. He had been
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had to go in the field and
was totally blindfolded, such a point that

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he just got off, stopped the
truck, came home, stopped the truck,

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walked into his house and just into
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he opens his eyes and realizes he' s at home. And the most

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interesting thing is also that the wife, in what I know an opportunity suddenly

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appeared also these figures around the cam
The story of Julio Plander. In my

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opinion, although we had a very
nice relationship with Julio, we saw him

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before this date at a congress in
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think it was not eighty- eighty- three. This was the case in

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the year eighty- seven, at
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Then we saw him in ninety-
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ninety- five. In ninety-
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To Julio things continued to happen and
there is a story that obviously,

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as it is said, took her
to the grave because, obviously, more

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things happened to her. I love
cases like this, like the one that

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Néstor Berlanda is telling us, because
there are also physical traces in this case,

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also investigated and corroborated by doctors,
as is that point of suction in

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man. We were in the interview
with Nestor Berlanda, as he talked to

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us about the details of the abduction
of Julio Platnr, a tattoo in which

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there were physical prints, investigated and
corroborated by doctors who showed that what happened

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to this man did not have a
conventional explanation. The only way to understand

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his experience is that he was actually
kidnapped by beings from other worlds, and

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the interview with Nestor Berlanda continues like
this. More things happened to me.

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It' s up to me to
have a talk with the son I have

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contact with, but I want to
have a talk personally to see what he

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can tell me. That was the
first case where one can say for sure

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that he was a total and absolutely
normal person, that all he had was

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to live an extraordinary encounter, a
situation that did not have an explanation within

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the parameters of orthodox science, but
that was totally and absolutely true, although

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we can never know what the origin
is. That' s where we get

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into speculation and that' s where
suddenly a lot of speculation comes in and

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maybe fantasize, too. But the
fact is real. The fact is real.

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We have a very particular position on
the issue of salutation based on what

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we have seen and the cases we
have investigated. But the fact was totally

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and absolutely real to my judgment and
is something that I find tremendous. The

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first thing I wanted to comment on
is you told us that they have a

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book called The Strangers. I don' t know if you can get on

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Amazon for all the people who hear
the show? If you can get it

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on Amazon well, then throughout Latin
America you put Néstor Verlanda in books and

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this one of the strangers will appear. I didn' t know you'

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d published for years. Strangers have
a very particular story, because the strangers

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we wrote together with Juan Acevedo Peinado, who is a psychologist, was published

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in Argentina in the year I miss
the date in the year two thousand.

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The book entered the publishing house in
a thousand nine hundred ninety- nine,

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ninety- eight ninety- eight and
went out in the year two thousand.

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It was a circulation of two thousand
and five hundred copies and that version in

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Argentina let' s say we raise
one, we present a whole series of

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cases of actions of some of those
we investigate. The cases that we consider

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most important and there is a whole
theoretical foundation where we propose, that the

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whole subject of abductions has to do
with consciousness that the functions are real,

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but that there are no extraterrestrial beings
involved in our judgment, that I have

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the entity of itself, but they
may have another origin, or they are

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of another nature, and that the
subject of abduction is intimately related to what

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are shamanic initiations, that is,
the process of abduction follows the same steps

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as a shamanic initiation, which are
that of the original peoples that to make

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just shaman the one who travels in
particular states of consciousness to the other world,

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who enters into contact with entities and
then brings information to their community and,

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obviously, is subjected by the spirits
of the ancestors or other entities that

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put objects into his body, such
as, for example, quartz crystals.

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The area where this happens are usually
also illuminated caverns, but you don'

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t see where the light comes from
and so on Well, practically the additions

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follow, they follow exactly the same
sequence as the shamanic initiations. What do

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we present in that book? It
turns out that this book was taken by

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bergel in Spain precisely from anomalous reissues, and is reissued by anomalous reissues in

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Spain in the year two thousand and
eighteen. And that' s where the

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book has a fantastic success and suddenly
the ideas that we launched at the time

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and that when we presented them within
the Omnis congresses, they were not very

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well seen. Well, from the
launch of the book in Spain in two

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thousand eighteen, Well has a tremendous
success, let' s say, it

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moves very well the book. In
fact, the stage of the book in

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Argentina made us put because it was
anger at that time. We are talking

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at the end of the ninety two
thousand years, the title that carries as

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a subtitle is extraterrestrial abductions in Argentina, that that title forced us to put

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the editorial. The real title that
we wanted to put on the one that

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has the book in Spain, which
is abduction. It' s myth consciousness

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and reality. This is the stage
of the book in strangers, which is

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the only one that is now in
circulation the edition of anomalous reissues and he

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speaks it, I just saw it
in Amazon Latin America, that is,

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that all the people in Latin America
can buy the book from all the people

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who are listening to the podcast.
And then, at the end of the

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interview, I' m going to
ask you why I want you to talk

417
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to me about a few more cases, because I, too, on Amazon,

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who didn' t know that you
had published a book about the story

419
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of Juan Oscar Pérez Vale, but
before you put us in and give me

420
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that hypothesis and leave it in a
prison room that' s hand- in

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- hand there that gives him a
chungo. We' re gonna sort all

422
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this out, because there' s
a lot of information. The subject is

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as follows. First of all,
that book The Strange Super Mega recommended me

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as interviewer. I buy it that
I' ve had coffee with you,

425
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but I' ve never been told
that I' ve published a book with

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your research. Milk then what I
am going to and before I give way

427
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to Alejandro Bernal, who will also
ask about the experience he has told us

428
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.119
about Julio Platner. There' s
one thing I find curious about, and

429
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that' s what I love you
about, what I want to ask you

430
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:37.760
about. And then he goes,
then he goes, Alejandro, the guy

431
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.199
sees the light, he even puts
his hand on his face. You already

432
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have that feeling of lost time.
Next image, He is in a place

433
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where there are three men and a
woman, where he sees what looks like

434
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some kind of dental chair. Notice
that this is very, very heavy,

435
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:05.559
that you have left the suction mark, not the blood puncture. I mean,

436
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.719
there' s a physical, physical
thing of course, but my question,

437
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.480
as a psychiatrist, and then you
go Alejandro. My question, as

438
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psychiatrists you believe because I do believe
that the attentions are real and that the

439
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:24.039
phenomenon absolutely real. I' ve
dedicated half my simple life to this and

440
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:28.039
I love to ask myself this.
It' s the first time you'

441
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.800
ve asked a psychiatrist, and he' s talked about this, for example,

442
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.079
with José Antonio Caravaca, who knows
that he now has one thing called

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the theory of distortion, and that' s the next topic. He doesn

444
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:43.760
' t believe in nessator that what
he' s seeing at that moment,

445
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.840
Julio Blabner, is something so different
from our world than what his Brain does.

446
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:52.039
I mean, I' m going
to try to understand it, and

447
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.000
the only way to understand gestures like
following a dentist, this is like I

448
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:59.280
' m getting blood from the doctor, even though what' s going on

449
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:04.639
is something different, because the cultural
well what we know, is what I

450
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:12.159
think our brain would do to keep
us from panicking, but a panic of

451
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.159
dying you see that kind of fact, because you' ve investigated it in

452
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:20.559
different translations. Besides, of course, that' s very likely to happen.

453
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That' s why I was telling
you that what changes with the subject

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of shamanic initiations is simply the scenario. The scenario changes, but the facts

455
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:32.880
don' t change. The facts
are the same. That' s the

456
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:38.159
most amazing thing of all. And
the most surprising thing of all is that

457
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when suddenly we, who work for
more than twenty years investigating the States employed

458
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of conscience, investigating the topic of
the yahuasca, specifically in fact, another

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of the books that we have published
that already huasca medicine of the soul that

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will surely come out in April also
in Spain, an expanded vision of that

461
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we publish in the two thousand.
In that book we collected more than a

462
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hundred protocols, from more than five
zero people who made experiences with us in

463
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:13.280
different fields, in the Jungle,
in the city with Chamanes and in Shamanes

464
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:17.800
we made protocols, two protocols,
one made by Dr Riques Traman in the

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United States and another in protocol of
our own. We chose a hundred of

466
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those protocols, and with that we
process that information. And the book describes

467
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.880
some experiences. And the most interesting
thing And why I tell you this,

468
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because one of the people, specifically
a woman, who makes an experience of

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an old- fashioned, nothing to
do with the omni theme absolutely nothing to

470
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:55.639
see relates exactly the same each and
every step of a typical experience, of

471
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:04.519
abduction, of a typical experience,
of timefulness, a light, lost time,

472
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:12.679
strange beings surround it bla bla bla
appear exactly. Then we have the

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shamanic initiations with another scenario, but
the same sequence the abductions that have their

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maximum expression from the nineties, where
the image of the gray is consolidated,

475
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:30.960
starting precisely from the lid of the
book of Witter Striver, of Communion that

476
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.440
even the stage of the book was
not the being that had seen, because

477
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.599
it was more the being that had
inhabited Witter Striber. But the image that

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is fixed in culture is the image
of gray and there are also examples of

479
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omnis and abductions in experience of expanded
States of consciousness. So the common factor

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we have in all three episodes is
shamanism. We know that, either by

481
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different types of techniques, substances,
psychoactive substances, dances, sensory isolation,

482
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are made into non- ordinary states
of consciousness. Those translated are most likely

483
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to be in a non- ordinary
State of conscience. There, in the

484
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book we speak of the State Theta, which is a state where the brain

485
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waves are between four and eight hers
that would be the state that we always

486
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have when we go to sleep or
are waking up. It is a very

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short state that we usually have.
We believe that this is the State that

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produces the abduction phenomenon would also be
involved in the consciousness. And, on

489
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the other hand, we also have
these cases of conscientiously employed States that we

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have done with the investigation of the
already huasca, where the same phenomenon is

491
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also reproduced. And there' s
another thing that' s tremendously fantastic,

492
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it' s who he wants,
but who can, according to a certain

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biological psycho condition. What we mean
by this is that suddenly there is the

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first one who touched on this issue
was kenneth Rin, who is a psychiatrist.

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00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:28.039
I don' t think I'
m going to agree at the University

496
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of which universities, but well he
got out in the United States. He

497
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:36.679
took out a book called Project Omega
Forgiveness. The first was the path to

498
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:42.599
Omega, where he investigated near-
death experiences. After that book he released

499
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:47.599
a book called the Omega Project where
he investigates the additions and begins to find

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a similarity between near- death experiences
and deductions. And he specifically states that

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those who have been brought forward really
have in gender in the vast majority traumas

502
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.840
in childhood, situations whether they have
experienced violence, abuse or traumatic situations due

503
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:13.800
to childhood illnesses, which has led
those children to remain fixed in the pre

504
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:22.559
- socialization stage. What would it
be that at the stage we say where

505
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:28.599
they have invisible friends and all that
kind of stuff where there' s a

506
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.039
connection, let' s say with
employed states of consciousness and with the other

507
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.000
side, to put it some way
or another part of the spectrum of reality.

508
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Then it is as if these children
have acquired the ease of entry,

509
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:44.760
if guided spontaneously in these States,
not ordinary of conscience. And find this

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in near- death experiences and in
allusions. When we take this information and

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pass it on to the cases that
we had investigated, well, exactly the

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same is true, that is,
all the people who have had a traumatic

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situation during childhood. And if we
go further, that' s a topic

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I' ve been working on for
the past four or five years and that,

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in fact, I' m writing
a book now that I hope at

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00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:20.400
some point to finish it, because
I' ve been announcing it for like

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00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:22.079
a year and I haven' t
finished it yet, which is a biological

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molecule that Dr. Rique Stlasman in
the 1990s, which is called the molecule,

519
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.480
which is called DME dimethyl Triptamine,
dimethyl thirty mira, which is one

520
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:37.719
of the compounds of the already huaasca. And Rick Strarasman in that he got

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00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:45.239
the FDA to authorize him to conduct
the first research with psychoactive compounds. After

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00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:52.320
the ban, he does just the
experience with DMT, injecting sixteen volunteers and

523
00:47:52.400 --> 00:48:02.599
appears in several cases of abductions.
So do I. So just what I

524
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:09.039
hold and what I put as a
theory is that the molecule, which would

525
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be the key that would enable the
possibility of entering non- ordinary states of

526
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:21.920
consciousness and living this type of experience
is precisely the dimenti triptamine, and there

527
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:28.440
would be these individuals who would have
a greater production of dimethyl tritamine, which

528
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:30.960
is a substance that we have in
our brain. That of dimetrile tritamine,

529
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:36.920
apart from the yahuasca shots, we
have it naturally in our organism, which

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many psychologists or psychiatrists also think would
also have to do with the theme of

531
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:46.480
dreams. But Alejandro Bernal, who
has been with his long hand Juange for

532
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.679
a while, is that the case
of Julio Platner seems fascinating to me,

533
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:57.159
because also the press Anglosajona dedicated to
him at the time. And there'

534
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.239
s something very interesting about what happened
to Julio Nestor, and he came to

535
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:06.199
comment that at some point, a
doctor X- rayed his spine and detected

536
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:14.320
a small implant in this part of
his body. Moreover, Julio went on

537
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:19.800
to comment that, before these anomalous
events, of these encounters with these beings,

538
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.320
this implant produced a buzz. You
know something about it, Honéstor,

539
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:32.920
yes, that was told to me
by Julio, in the ninety- five

540
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.960
year we went we had an interview
with him, but that information gave it

541
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:42.320
to us just when I came in. We were actually going to see a

542
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:50.639
lecture, and I know there was
more information, but there are things that

543
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.440
he didn' t talk about.
He sometimes commented to other researchers, but

544
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:59.480
I particularly had a bitter taste left, because it was a pending account.

545
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.599
I mean, we already told you
we had a very good relationship with Julio

546
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:12.920
because at the time he was also
taking him to TV shows and so on,

547
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.599
we were two professionals, a psychologist
and a psychiatrist, we went on

548
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:23.400
a program of an important channel of
Buenos Aires and suddenly we were shooting that

549
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:28.039
obviously, we were also putting our
title in play. We weren' t

550
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:37.920
talking, because the difference we often
have with some researchers is that we do

551
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:44.239
get the title at stake when we
talk about some things, like what happened

552
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:49.880
to John mac at the time when
he started investigating these cases. But the

553
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:53.639
reality is that when one works seriously, people may or may not like the

554
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:58.760
other pleguet but there is a reality
in contrast and the invitation is to come,

555
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:04.519
first investigate and then talk. But, yeah, that' s what

556
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.480
July told me, and he actually
told me about two implants on both sides

557
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:15.000
of the spine. But I never
saw the X- rays, I never

558
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:25.440
could access more or a regression that
could validate or extract more valid information I

559
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.480
want. I want to tell you
a number of things. The first thing

560
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.719
you are a brave man, because
notice that you quoted John Mac, who

561
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:39.239
is a psychiatrist at Harvard Crría Harva, was very famous because he investigated a

562
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.079
case in Rúa to Zimbabwe, a
case known as Alejandro Bernal. Very much.

563
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.519
I think you have a video on
your YouTube channel on Mandragon. Mysteries

564
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:51.880
that people can see about Zimbabwe'
s Rúa case. You guys play games,

565
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.039
actually, because I do this.
If a journalist insults me the scientist

566
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:58.719
and blocks him and that' s
enough, but you' re in the

567
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.760
scientific field, because it' s
something else and that' s why I

568
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:06.079
thank you. Also, for this
interview and for your time. And then

569
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:10.079
one thing, how do we pass
then, Nestor, that this is the

570
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:14.320
big question, because I don'
t doubt a moment of what you'

571
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.440
ve said, that the subject of
abduction. And then we' ll ask

572
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.760
you about some other case, like
that of good Oscar Perez, although good

573
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.079
as we go, I think we
could give you fourteen interviews. It is

574
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:30.639
not going to give us time how
we actually passed, the shamans what they

575
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.440
were doing was a journey into another
world. And it is still curious that

576
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.920
there is a series of parallels with
the phenomenon of abduction, with that time

577
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:44.559
lost in health, those strange beings, and also near- death experiences.

578
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.760
And there are near- death experiences. I recommend to people a book called

579
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:52.639
The Test of our friend Mado Martínez
and there is a whole chapter of near

580
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:54.840
- death experiences, where people say
that what they see are the famous extraterrestrial

581
00:52:55.199 --> 00:53:01.159
greys and such instead of angels or
other type of sheath. That' s

582
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:07.079
very curious. But how we went
from this, that it would be a

583
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:13.199
spiritual experience to what happened to Julio
Planner, that there remains a physical mark

584
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:19.119
of a suction or even implants in
his spine to vertebrate, because this would

585
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.320
no longer be just a mystical experience, that is, a shaman does not

586
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.559
come from the trance with an implant
or that lacks blood. Julio Planner,

587
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:30.360
yes, how we could come to
understand this. In this I am not

588
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:34.760
going to advance the answer, because
it is very good. I' m

589
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.760
not gonna get ahead of her.
Which is very curious. It is all

590
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:44.880
the parallels that Nestor Berlanda has made
between what the abductees suffer and what can

591
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:49.280
happen in an experience close to death, death or in trances of shamanism as

592
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:55.400
well. And very curious the subject
of the molecule of God, that is,

593
00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.239
dimethyl tryptamine, which in people who
have been translated turns out to have

594
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:06.440
more than other people that has not
happened, so clearly it is what a

595
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:08.760
man does that scientist will start to
charluz about something that had no light.

596
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:15.199
Exactly Juan Hey, I believe that
when it comes to talking to researchers like

597
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.519
a Nestor Berlanda or also with military
or pilots, Juan who always comes to

598
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:24.039
mind what we have reiterated also in
this space are super qualified witnesses. And

599
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:30.119
you will observe Nestor analyzing these types
of cases with scientific rigor and also with

600
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:35.400
a very simple and clear language so
that we all understand it, John,

601
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.519
which I think wonderful and clearly convert
and demonstrate that Nestor Berlanda is one of

602
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:45.320
the great referents at the level of
this type of research worldwide. Indeed,

603
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:51.239
my friend, you have already remembered
the question I was asking Nestor Berlanda,

604
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:58.079
which was valid. There are a
series of parallels between shamanic experiences and near

605
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:02.719
- death experiences with what the abductees
narrate. But of course the abductees also

606
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:06.960
bring a series of physical marks,
such as, for example, it can

607
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:12.840
be that blood suction of an arm
or that there are implants left in the

608
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.199
body, which is something tremendously strange
and then I asked him listen. But

609
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.000
instead, the shamans and these people
can' t do something like that and

610
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.199
Nestor Berlanda responded in this way.
It' s just, actually the shamans

611
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:28.599
do come with implants many times and
with uncertain things in the body, which

612
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:32.639
are quartz crystals. And if the
shamans materialize things, for example, when

613
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:37.880
they do harm, in fact,
we have seen it we could give at

614
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:43.559
Rosario' s medical school. I
think it was the first course in traditional

615
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.519
Indo- American medicine to bring shamans
to the medical school of different ethnicities.

616
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:53.000
And one of those shamans was a
wichol, which is one of the Indians

617
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:58.079
who are in northern Mexico and who
have as their sacred substance. Let'

618
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:05.800
s say the peyote, the peyote
cactus and the run chole showed their ceremonies

619
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:13.639
in their healings and was able to
extract stones, that is, that one

620
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:17.679
could see them how they did,
how they pulled out. That an act

621
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:22.679
of good magic may be, I
don' t know, but let'

622
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:27.159
s say that within shamanism this,
that is, materialized pachita organs, is

623
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:32.719
very common. Gremberg himself says so
and several researchers who have been and have

624
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:38.079
witnessed it say so. So the
problem is that here we have to change

625
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:45.079
our conception of what is consciousness and
what is reality. Consciousness and reality are

626
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.440
two sides of the same coin.
The reality that we understand as such that

627
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:54.639
exists in which we are talking right
now, is not what we believe,

628
00:56:54.840 --> 00:57:02.679
which is a construction of our brain, what we have outside. There are

629
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:10.519
actually waves and there are wave interferences
and information that our brain processes and transforms

630
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:16.039
into this which is the world we
see or the world of consensus that we

631
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:23.320
have under that premise. Someone who
can move that ideal of reality, make

632
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:31.159
that interference of waves outside take another
volume, can just leave material things and

633
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:38.679
even footprints on the body, because
we are no longer. It is not

634
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:51.599
that we consciousness interacts with matter,
but with the universe. We' re

635
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:53.599
the same. We are the same
as the Universe. I mean, we

636
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:58.440
don' t interact, we'
re the same, we' re one

637
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.800
more degree, we' re the
same as matter with one more degree of

638
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:05.039
consciousness, with one more degree of
subtlety. Maybe, but we' re

639
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:09.400
all in that same mass of energy, in that same wave mass. So

640
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:13.480
it' s David Bond' s
theory, for example, in the holographic

641
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.480
universe, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, it' s changing

642
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:21.840
when you change your conception and we
start to see that, for example,

643
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:28.039
red or colors don' t exist, because you couldn' t explain to

644
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:31.480
a born blind man who knows a
lot about mechae, mechanics, engineering,

645
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:37.360
genetics, electricity, magnetism. You
can explain to him what red color,

646
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.920
for example, is a certain wavelength, that there is a certain cell in

647
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:45.639
our eyes, in our retina,
that transform those impressions into electrical stimulus go

648
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:49.599
to the brain. More. You
can explain all that to him, but

649
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.840
a blind man of birth will never
know what the red itself is the subjective

650
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:58.880
quality of the object that is called
qualias, the qualias are the capacity,

651
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.559
the quality his pons that has an
object, which already the color is a

652
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:07.079
qualia, It is a construction of
our brain. It does not exist outside,

653
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.639
there is a wave, but there
is no redness of the red or

654
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:15.039
blue of the blue. So,
when we begin to investigate all these kinds

655
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:20.119
of things and realize that consciousness has
the possibility to change the world that we

656
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.679
see and when that day moves the
one of consciousness and the normal state expands,

657
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:28.960
you can enter other states and other
worlds where there are entities that interact

658
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:34.480
with one, which are the famous
entities of met for example, which are

659
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:40.079
called there. It changes the conception
of everything and you realize that everything is

660
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:46.599
plastic and that everything is dynamic and
that there are no limits, as we

661
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:52.800
conceive it, that we are separated
from each other and that we are separated

662
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:57.039
from matter. Under this, I' m now working, including on a

663
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:00.239
presentation I' m going to make
at the next Victoria Congress, what could

664
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:06.320
be the vehicle that can help all
of this. Let' s say an

665
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:10.920
element that is there and that would
interact with consciousness for this. And when

666
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:15.119
you begin to understand this, you
begin to see that everything is possible.

667
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:21.639
And that' s where you break
all the laws that you can understand,

668
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:30.400
because we' re entering directly into
another kind of knowledge where we talk about

669
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:37.840
these things, science can get to
explain it in part simply that it also

670
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:40.280
changes the scientific paradigm, but that
would be a little explanation. It'

671
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.840
s really all there. It'
s not like what you' re proposing

672
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:52.440
is great. Before we go into
a thorough investigation of what the performances are.

673
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:59.320
We should thoroughly investigate what reality is, which is real and is not

674
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.559
real, see that I agree,
you were talking and the interview more about

675
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.719
attuations, but I was remembering Oxford
biologist Ruper Celdrake, also that Ruper Celdrak,

676
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:12.800
who is a gentleman who tells us
that reality is much more complex than

677
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:19.239
we are seeing. By the way, even in texts, I think they

678
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:21.639
got a talk he gave them,
and that' s because the guy'

679
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:24.840
s a genius. The guy'
s absolutely. But notice there' s

680
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:31.599
one thing more surprising than me.
When I saw that slide that I presented

681
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:38.599
it at the Victoria Congress, I
stayed there because I was shocked the year,

682
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:45.400
in the two thousand twenty- two
the archives of the impossible are opened

683
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:52.760
at the University of Rise by the
professor jeffy Crippal and there go different files

684
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:59.039
of impossible. It' s all
research or Wittle Straiver' s letters,

685
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:01.599
which he later received, after I
took out the Book of Communion. All

686
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:07.079
this material is stored at Rise University
and one of the materials presented was the

687
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:14.840
King sli that leslie quiin is this
American journalist who was the one who made

688
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:19.360
known the whole question of the flights
of OMNIT C Tack in the two thousand

689
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.000
seventeen and I is in December of
two thousand seventeen. New is wrong.

690
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:31.159
Well, leslie King shows a slide
showing in red what the real goal of

691
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:38.760
the project was to w a we
who had the first gelou that gave him

692
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:45.519
that$ 22 million budget. I
think he' s been working on Sking,

693
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:51.320
Walker, Drunch and so on.
And on that slide, leslie King

694
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:59.039
puts in red that the first goal
that that group had, led at the

695
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:06.400
time by Robert Begelow, was to
investigate the nature of reality. Then that

696
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.159
' s where you say it.
Well, here he was getting money.

697
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:15.199
The U S government was putting in
money to investigate Omnis, but actually one

698
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:22.519
of the main objectives was to study
the nature of reality. So, obviously,

699
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:30.400
we' re finding that this has
a much broader connotation than we always

700
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:34.840
thought it had. It doesn'
t have a lot of tremendous implications,

701
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:39.519
because what' s happening in the
OMNI phenomenon is that, suddenly it'

702
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:45.400
s like the curtains of the reality
we live in fall. How we understand

703
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:51.079
that reality thanks to our sense,
and people enter another world, into another

704
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.880
reality, which is what happens to
the shamans, or is what happens to

705
01:03:55.000 --> 01:04:00.559
the abducted. And there' s
a Magimus subject I want to ask you

706
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:04.679
now. Look at one of the
most absurd things about the OMNI phenomenon.

707
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:11.440
But that doesn' t take away
truthfulness is when a gentleman appears who has

708
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:19.079
had a super strong experience with these
types of entities and always arrives having messianic

709
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:23.400
messages that the world is going to
end, or that I don' t

710
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:27.079
know what sheath. But just as
it happens to the shamans, and I

711
01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:32.760
always count the same case, not
because I lived it investigating an OMNI case

712
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:36.800
in a town called the stopover,
in the province of Girona, in Spain,

713
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:43.800
in Catalonia. Well then, two
gentlemen, two policemen, how good

714
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:46.239
to see is not that the police
saw the OMNI, is that a sphere

715
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:51.760
of light about three or four meters
in diameter was passing over the scale in

716
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:57.480
Girona and the people terrified failing the
police. That' s right. It

717
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.519
is not that they were the ones
who saw the omnius. Not the terrified

718
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:05.119
people called the local police center.
So the local police headquarters had a car

719
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:09.360
patrolling and said hey you' re
telling people you see a light, that

720
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.519
I don' t know what they
looked at. They said milk that I

721
01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:15.440
' m seeing it as true,
too. They followed that health, that

722
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:19.800
sphere of light and that sphere of
light stood beside me. I was at

723
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:25.920
the site, next to a pole
of electricity still giving the mark down on

724
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:31.880
the ground, a circle of grass. There it didn' t grow well

725
01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:38.599
and nothing, because that stops there. These gentlemen get out of the car

726
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:44.000
and suddenly say that a being of
about three meters comes out of the sphere

727
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:50.039
of light towards them and one of
the two policemen hands the gun. As

728
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:56.400
that happens, there' s a
flash and one of them. Well,

729
01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:00.519
she practically loses the sight of one
eye. Then, suddenly, the being

730
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:05.960
disappears and the sphere leaves at a
total absurd speed. Well, when I

731
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:12.559
interviewed the one who had the eye
injury, there' s a medical part

732
01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.119
of the eye injury. That'
s why that case is so important in

733
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:20.599
lonfology. In Spain, the other
policeman has already died of cancer I don

734
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:24.480
' t remember the name right now. When I interviewed him and so and

735
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:27.719
all this I went to the scene
with him, but outside the Chamber.

736
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.719
You know what he told me,
that story really hit me. Mira juang

737
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:34.960
told me what' s important.
Not in what I saw or my partner,

738
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:40.440
which almost cost him the vision of
an eye says. The problem is

739
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:45.599
that it gets in my head and
I' m home and he tells me

740
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:49.239
and my wife tells me what'
s wrong with you. Says no that

741
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:55.519
the being that I saw is talking
to me and tells me to go back

742
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:59.199
to where the power light pole and
blah, blah? Bla? Bla?

743
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:01.360
Bla? Bla? And I just
played telling my wife how nervous I get

744
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:06.679
and not going, because she'
s so obsessive in my mind, that

745
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:12.280
it' s like I need to
go and that' s, like that

746
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:15.760
' s going to give her a
message of transcendence or for her life or

747
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:19.079
for and that guy who told me
out of camera so I wouldn' t

748
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:23.800
record it because they had been a
cop and he wasn' t lying to

749
01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:28.239
me. Nestor was telling me the
truth, I mean, why the hell

750
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:30.800
is that, because I don'
t know, I have no idea,

751
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:33.960
but it' s amazing. Ajandro
Bernard Juan g It looks at the hand

752
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:39.840
of what we are talking about.
There' s a statement he gave to

753
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:44.400
James Lackatsky. This man was the
head of the program of application of the

754
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:48.480
advanced aerospace weapons system within the Pentagon, one of the programs prior to the

755
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:55.079
hoop and these OMNI research initiatives,
and this man spoke as the OMNI phenomenon

756
01:07:55.360 --> 01:08:00.360
produced phenomena of psychological manipulation. And
I' m going to read you the

757
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:04.639
excerpt from the statement this man gave. He said the following. Everything works

758
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:11.880
as if OMNIS were the product of
a technology that integrates physical and psychic phenomena

759
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:17.319
and mainly affects the cultural variables of
our society through the manipulation of psychological and

760
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:28.119
physiological parameters. I repeat statements by
James la Katski, who is the head

761
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.920
of one of the Pentagon' s
research programs to the British press a few

762
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.960
months ago. It' s just
that brutal we' re not going to

763
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:38.279
get into it now that they'
ve said that all of a sudden,

764
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:39.560
this idiot Patrick' s the one. Now this doesn' t exist and

765
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:43.720
I don' t know what it' s worth, because the reality,

766
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.560
very good touches it just contributed,
the reality is worth what Alejandro Bernal is

767
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:50.640
saying. But look at this thing
that Néstor Brlanda is saying from my point

768
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:55.000
of view, and now I would
like your opinion before I ask you about

769
01:08:55.079 --> 01:09:00.199
some other case that we are going
to take the interview with this is the

770
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:06.319
following, the most important thing about
the OMNIC phenomenon and the most disturbing thing

771
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:09.960
from my point of view is that
abductions and the phenomenon do not start.

772
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:13.680
A thousand nine hundred and forty-
seven, when for the first time in

773
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:17.319
history we speak of flying saucer,
because a man named Knettarnold sees him on

774
01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:21.439
Mount Rainier in the State of Washington. The point is that if I go

775
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:27.000
to Green Table in New Mexico and
I go to see the paintings of the

776
01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:31.760
Hoppies, there appear some very strange
beings, who look like beings from other

777
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:36.239
worlds. It is that if I
go to Tasili in Algeria and that is

778
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:41.399
already twelve thousand years old, ten
twelve zero years old, in a place

779
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:45.359
that is called Javaren, which means
Tamashek, the valley of the Giants,

780
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:50.000
there appear some beings that carry as
a sort of scapander and that are moving

781
01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:58.359
ungrateful and exactly like things that the
adducees tell us, that is the most

782
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.560
disturbing thing the s ieo. That
is why I want another opinion ness Ireland

783
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:10.119
is that it seems that it has
been modulating the history of humanity through mystical

784
01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:15.119
and religious phenomena, because the paintings
of the Tasili have a shamanic and religious

785
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:19.720
end and according to that lived the
good beings were going to say centuries thousands

786
01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:25.279
of years and the religion of ethical
codes and so on, and either the

787
01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:29.199
Hoppies Indians or in valcamonic also the
petroglyphs that there are, for example,

788
01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:31.880
in Italy or in many places.
What do you think of this that I

789
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:36.520
know is I think the big deal
about the Mira question. I think we

790
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:45.760
' re talking about the same thing. Tasili' s engravings are accompanied by

791
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:50.600
fungi I put plo civic, specifically. In fact, there are representations that

792
01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:58.079
they are called the third bee being, which has its entire body surrounded by

793
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:01.319
fungi and civics. And the most
interesting thing, the dancing mushrooms, which

794
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:08.520
are two dancing honguitos than you don' t know that they have black and

795
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:13.399
big eyes, the dancing honguitos.
Actually, the big black eyes. It

796
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:17.479
also has a representation that is just
the eyes of vision. Those who can

797
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:21.680
see beyond those paintings such as the
ones you named, which are of shamanic

798
01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:28.119
origin, most likely have to do
with States employed of conscience where they were

799
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:31.760
seen and met with these entities.
I have no doubt that the OMNI phenomenon

800
01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:40.479
is a trans- historic phenomenon that
has accompanied humanity since the beginning. But

801
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:45.720
what we are thinking today and I
speak plural because we are at this moment

802
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:50.199
writing the strange two, zero and
there is a third part called the strange

803
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:57.600
three zero next to Juana Cevedo,
that we are very involved in these issues

804
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:03.479
and we already passed other questions on
time. Also that we are in the

805
01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:09.439
presence of a local phenomenon, that
is, that' s the most shocking

806
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:13.079
thing, that is, it'
s a historical trans phenomenon and it'

807
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.439
s a local phenomenon. When we
say that it is a local phenomenon,

808
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:21.039
we are saying that it is a
phenomenon that has accompanied and that it is

809
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:27.239
here on another plane of reality or
called dimension whatever you want, but it

810
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:34.399
is here with us and it has
obviously been as you say, whether perhaps

811
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:42.439
manipulating or as the system of control
of humanity said for a certain purpose and

812
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:48.000
it continues to do so, obviously, and it also has the effect that

813
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:53.680
very commonly all shamanisms, which is
the trixter factor, the sad factor in

814
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:57.000
the figure of the sad, the
mocker, have it. Inside shamanism there

815
01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:01.039
is a figure, an entity that
seems to tell you everything and tells you

816
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:06.199
nothing, that is always mocking in
the sense that you are always hiding something.

817
01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:11.840
It shows you a part, but
there is always another part that remains

818
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:14.439
just in the mystery. And this
is what makes the OMNI phenomenon, the

819
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:17.960
absurd factor. The absurd factor is
also the most fantastic thing that the uni

820
01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:21.279
phenomenon has because you come all right
in one case and suddenly there appears to

821
01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:25.079
you a thing that is absurd and
you say this what is lying? You

822
01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:27.439
' re not lying to him?
Did you live that? And why did

823
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:31.399
he live that? Because I think
the question of absurdity is also what makes

824
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:38.159
you break and print out maybe that
change because it gets you out of it

825
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:42.760
it' s like you' re
suddenly very attentive to a talk, but

826
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:45.520
sometimes you lose the concentration power of
everything that' s telling you. And

827
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:54.960
if you put in a joke you
automatically break up and it' s like

828
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:57.920
you got it, you cut the
information, you saved it, and then

829
01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.640
you go back to thinking. And
that absurd factor. I think perhaps the

830
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:05.720
factor that does this just to incorporate
that knowledge. And, in short,

831
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:13.880
these people are actually changing culture,
and it is for me the great kit

832
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.560
of the phenomenon, of the OMNI
phenomenon, that is, it has been

833
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:21.359
with us for thousands and thousands of
years, but it is not only with

834
01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:26.640
us. What is shaping is the
world in which we live, because through

835
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:30.960
beliefs and ethical commands, of different
beliefs, it is like societies, it

836
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:36.039
also evolves And another day, for
example, we could talk about Marian apparitions,

837
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:40.680
of fate, but well, let' s get into another, in

838
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:45.960
another story. Well, before we
get into another story, I think this

839
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:50.159
is the great kitter of the phenomenon. First, redefining the limits of reality,

840
01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:56.640
because it is those things when they
appear and such a story we always

841
01:14:56.720 --> 01:14:59.600
have in the head or in the
head of extraterrestrials. Yes, because from

842
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.399
outside the earth, but if it' s multidimensional, if it' s

843
01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:10.479
from another dimension, and that'
s why it' s so strange and

844
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:14.960
so hard to understand. And then
those apparitions are not casual and the appearance

845
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:20.680
of this absurd factor, as we
were talking to Nestor. Berlanda doesn'

846
01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:24.880
t take away truth, we don' t take away truthfulness. It simply

847
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:30.399
does as more difficult to believe many
times more unlikely more strange. But it

848
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.760
has changed our culture and changed our
history. And it happens when I'

849
01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:38.159
ve told you this a thousand times
a man named Menofic. Fourth, one

850
01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:42.439
day he goes hunting in Egypt,
thousands of years ago a pharaoh and suddenly

851
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:45.359
says that the sun spoke to him, that the sun does not speak to

852
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:47.920
you. Obviously, a sphere of
light. He spoke to him and then

853
01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:51.239
told him that he had to change
religion to god Aton and blah blah blah

854
01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:55.479
blah, and changed the capital of
Egypt to bring lamarra. But not only

855
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:58.479
that, the fatima thing that we
have five little minutes ahead of us.

856
01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:01.760
The issue of fate is very complex, very controversial, because in a thousand

857
01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:08.680
nine hundred and seventy- eight,
when the fine historian of the Navy for

858
01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:15.560
the first time can have access to
the ecclesiastical archive of what was the apparition

859
01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:18.680
and, in particular, to the
first interviews that are given to the children,

860
01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:23.960
which was 15 days after the first
apparition was on the 13th of May,

861
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:26.199
three hundred and twenty- three.
I' m losing my ball.

862
01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:31.600
Now I say it. I say
it exactly I have it pointed out here,

863
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:38.760
when it is that first appearance,
which is in May of nineteen hundred

864
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:45.399
and seventeen and the day, if
you leave me a second staff of what

865
01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:48.279
I say thirteen of May, yes, on May thirteen thousand nine hundred and

866
01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:55.720
seventeen, when it is that first
appearance at fifteen days to be exact the

867
01:16:55.800 --> 01:17:02.479
one who interviews him, who is
a Portuguese seminarian, a professor of the

868
01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:03.279
seminary, which is that he is
the first one who is with the children.

869
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:08.760
And so, the description that children
make is tremendously strange. The virgin

870
01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:12.159
measured one meter to ten That is
to say, she appears in a column

871
01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:17.479
of light measuring one meter ten She
has no hair, she has a sphere

872
01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:23.000
of blue light in her hand,
and when she speaks to them, she

873
01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:26.159
does not move her lips. He
talks to them in the mind like it

874
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:31.760
' s telepathy. Indeed, it
is one thing and about that that you

875
01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:40.079
are also commenting shockingly on the story
of the Portuguese journalists of the newspaper or

876
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:44.359
Século, who had the opportunity to
be during the Southern dance, on October

877
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:47.399
13th in nineteen hundred seventeen, which
is one for me of the journalistic records.

878
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:51.880
Well let' s see if the
key is the next fake. It

879
01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:55.960
is the Marian apparition, most important
the Catholic Church in the 20th century,

880
01:17:56.560 --> 01:18:00.960
because between fifty and seventy zero people
saw the sun going on the third day

881
01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:03.520
of October of nineteen hundred and seventeen. The point is, the sun wasn

882
01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:06.399
' t exactly dancing and it was
cloudy. You couldn' t see the

883
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:10.319
sun. Yeah, yeah. And
also, what they tell is that the

884
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:13.319
first thing you see is a tiny
cloud, very strange than the cloud.

885
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:16.920
What comes out is an object,
like a kind of disk, like opaque

886
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:23.119
glass. That' s how they
describe it. And then that starts spinning.

887
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:27.760
And that' s when you put
on a tremendous glow and see there

888
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:30.960
the photos of the people who are
standing watching the sun dancing, seeing how

889
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:36.840
it is sphered with light. It
moved without authentic, but a real madness.

890
01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:42.640
I' d swear the seminarian'
s name was Joaquín Gómez formigado I

891
01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:47.840
' ve got it pointed out here, but it' s really amazing.

892
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:54.800
So this is the first person who
collects all the testimonies of the children and

893
01:18:54.960 --> 01:19:00.319
such children that of the three children
two die from the flu in nine hundred

894
01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:06.199
nineteen and Lucia two saints than the
remaining person and that everyone who communicates the

895
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:12.560
secrets of Fatima and everything to the
popes. You can never be interviewed.

896
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:23.479
Never in history has tremendous silence been
interviewed about it. Yes, of course

897
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:27.479
what we were talking about with Néstor
Juange in the interview with James Lackatsky,

898
01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:31.000
who was an official of the Repentaagon, a man who was in charge of

899
01:19:31.039 --> 01:19:35.560
the Omniprevia Bureau of Investigation, which
is now known as the hoop. A

900
01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:42.760
few months ago he was giving some
very interesting statements Juange for the international press

901
01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:46.800
and Katski said that he was aware, after the investigations, of the reports,

902
01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:51.680
of the evidences and so on,
that he had been able to collect

903
01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:59.359
in the pentagon, that the intelligence
behind the phenomenon is human or not human,

904
01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:04.840
or a parallel evolution in our world
is clearly capable of manipulating the mind

905
01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:09.760
and matter is something that is capable
of manipulating witnesses and that he was absolutely

906
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:15.439
certain of that. Indeed, it
has a capacity over us and a capacity

907
01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:17.720
for manipulation. Tremendous, by the
way, the name if you corroborated it.

908
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:24.399
José Niñez Formicao was the teacher of
the seminary and priest who interviewed the

909
01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:30.560
first to interview the children and who
makes this famous drawing where the Virgin appears

910
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:33.720
as a kind of short skirt that
covers her just below the knee and a

911
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:40.039
kind of padded jacket above. And
it' s funny what the kids tell

912
01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:46.479
him that' s in the church
archive. He says we saw a lady

913
01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:50.640
shining brighter than the sun, but
she never identified herself as the Virgin.

914
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:57.880
He never said that it was the
Virgin Mary with an aspect closer to an

915
01:20:57.920 --> 01:21:00.279
astronaut than to the Virgin Reria.
Yeah, sure, if you see the

916
01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:02.199
picture that freaks out, man,
it' s crazy. One day we

917
01:21:02.279 --> 01:21:11.119
had to do a show just about
fatima. We were talking about how the

918
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:16.479
phenomenon, even throughout history, has
changed our culture. We were talking at

919
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:21.720
the end of the other block even
about the curiosities surrounding this phenomenon regarding the

920
01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:29.359
fatima appearances in Portugal in the year
nine hundred and seventeen of last century,

921
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:34.640
and we were deepening with Nestor Berlanda
on this part that may seem very absurd

922
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:39.840
to us, but that is the
most intriguing of the UFO phenomenon. And

923
01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:44.159
the interview with Nestor Berlanda continues ah
Yeah, well, I promise I'

924
01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:46.239
ll buy your book from strangers as
the interview ends and when I get there

925
01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:50.239
I' m leaving now two months
of travel, but as I get back

926
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:57.760
I annoy you to tell me some
other case. But I was lucky enough

927
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:02.800
in Argentina to interview Juan Oscar Pérez. And besides, there' s here

928
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:08.079
on mystery night. Entrevi is here
on mystery night. You can hear it

929
01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:10.439
if you look for it, you
don' t remember the same in the

930
01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:13.319
name of that podcast. But there
is the full interview with Juan Oscarpres,

931
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:16.560
Juan Oscar Pérez, who was a
gentleman, well, a very simple man

932
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:21.479
of field gaucho that when he was
a child the age of twelve. If

933
01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:28.479
I remember correctly when he was twelve. Well, well, this kid gets

934
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:33.079
away with a crew, with some
horses and so on, and he says

935
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:38.279
what he suddenly sees is good,
so let' s say with some sort

936
01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:42.039
of container. He thought it was
a kind of container or a retractor or

937
01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:46.319
something like that modern. And it
gets to that place, it sees a

938
01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:53.680
ladder, it climbs up that ladder
and there it sees a being about two

939
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:58.319
meters and peak high that are founded
on a suit like rubber, which has

940
01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:01.319
a kind of rubber hood and a
tube as if through that tube it could

941
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:04.880
breathe and see at the same time
to its left. When he comes in,

942
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:11.319
he sees a little being, like
some kind of robot that' s

943
01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:15.279
biting bones, and he' s
saying that you' re really thick bones,

944
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:16.640
like they' re cow bones.
This being accompanies him, well,

945
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:21.760
he goes down, he goes down, scared to death from that place,

946
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:29.760
even the being this leaves him a
glove and so on a story comes out

947
01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:33.159
of there and well, because good
Oscar Perez then tells this story that goes

948
01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:35.720
viral in Argentina and I think in
the middle of the world. Then he

949
01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:43.359
goes into anonymity. But when I
interview Oscar Pérez with Oscar Pérez and that

950
01:23:43.479 --> 01:23:46.920
' s why I ask you that
I have seen that you have a book

951
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:53.000
about this story that is called behind
the fog, the real story, an

952
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:58.560
extraordinary encounter, and this book you
also have in Amazon Latin America. Well,

953
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:03.239
one thing that I, when I
was interviewing him, left me a

954
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:10.960
lot in shock, because he is
of indigenous Guaraní origin and he insisted that

955
01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:17.119
after that experience, then he had
an abduction as well and he insisted that

956
01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:24.119
those beings had put him in contact
with the Taitas. Taitas are like sacred

957
01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:30.239
men in Guaraní culture and their ancestors, and that' s as if they

958
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:35.199
had given a transcendent sense to their
life, how was your interviews and how

959
01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:42.960
was your research with Juan Oscar Pérez. Nestor Good Look. The case of

960
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:47.800
Juan appears for the first time in
December of a thousand nine hundred and seventy

961
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:53.560
- nine in a congress to OMNI
in the city of Posadas Misiones, in

962
01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:58.199
the north of our country, organized
by FAEZ, which at that time was

963
01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:03.439
a federation that nucleated most of the
entities since they investigated names. There the

964
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:09.279
group is still oaring deer with Raúl
Bertolini, who was a great medical researcher.

965
01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:15.039
Lumelli announces this case. Later,
in the year nineteen hundred and eighty

966
01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:20.239
- seven, this congress is held
in Rosario, where Julio Plander is located.

967
01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:25.840
We, at that congress, organized
a panel of abductees. There was

968
01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:30.840
Julio Plander and there was Juan Oscar
Pérez After that event of the year eighty

969
01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:35.560
- seven, where Juan always related
exactly the same, nothing was known about

970
01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:42.640
Juano Carpérez, absolutely nothing until the
year two thousand ten. In the year

971
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:50.079
two thousand ten, who speaks to
them and anthropologist Diego Viegas, we decided

972
01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:57.000
to see again what had happened to
this boy who had had that encounter when

973
01:25:57.159 --> 01:26:00.600
he was twelve years old. And
that' s how we started. We

974
01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:04.119
put in a private detective to see
where he could live. He gave us

975
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:11.800
an orientation. I wasn' t
in that place, but these strange things

976
01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:17.960
happen. We were in the middle
of a road opposite there was another room

977
01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:24.319
and there was a man drinking mate
under a tree and like throwing a shot

978
01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:28.279
in the air to see if it
was like we were actually shooting a shot

979
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:30.560
in the air and going down a
gull. I mean. That' s

980
01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:34.680
because we asked him if he knew
Juan Oscarpierez. There is, John,

981
01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:42.319
a common man. We knew he
had worked in front, but it was

982
01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:46.279
for throwing and he tells us yes, yes, I know him here I

983
01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:47.439
have Joanocapérez' s brother- in- law' s phone. It doesn

984
01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:56.239
' t hit the cell phone and
while we start, we communicate with the

985
01:26:56.279 --> 01:27:00.479
brother- in- law and sister- in- law passes us Juan'

986
01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:00.840
s phone and we talked on a
cell phone with Juan and told them where

987
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:03.800
you are. We are in a
town in Buenos Aires, about one hundred

988
01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:08.279
and fifty kilometers from Rosario, and
we, who had gone to this place,

989
01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:14.159
continue there and arrive around seven in
the afternoon. There' s a

990
01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:18.760
picture right there. In fact,
there in the book we find, after

991
01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:26.840
almost thirty years, Juan Oscar Pérez. Again we spoke briefly, recounted the

992
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:32.520
story again. We returned a couple
of months later we already did a full

993
01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:39.399
interview, already told us a lot
of questions and in the middle of all

994
01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:43.560
this falls to the city of Rosario, a film director, Alan Steverman,

995
01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:46.880
who had made a film that was
called human. We contacted him. Another

996
01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:51.079
strange thing. John I have to
tell her, because it' s these

997
01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:56.479
things that is how we were just
talking about things guiding us. The phenomenon

998
01:27:56.560 --> 01:28:01.479
guides and I' m really amazing. Vania Diego Viega, the anthropologist waits

999
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.359
for him at the exit of the
theater and says I am from the Fundación

1000
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:09.560
Mesa Verde You are ames A Verde
says that Nestor is holmando. So says

1001
01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:14.439
Look at the book I grabbed to
come from Buenos Aires to Rosario, which

1002
01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:17.680
I brought to read in the collective. Take that out of the backpack and

1003
01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:24.960
the book I was reading was the
strange Argentine version. The next day,

1004
01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:30.119
look at what' s not,
why I wanted to write them a novel

1005
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:34.199
about adduction. The next day we
met at the Casa de Diego, we

1006
01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:38.880
showed him all the material of Juan
Pérez. He gets excited, we ask

1007
01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:43.239
him to make a short film for
us to be able to show the case.

1008
01:28:44.000 --> 01:28:47.439
Let' s record with him.
We do one more recording, better

1009
01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:53.399
cameras and so on. It repeats
the same story again and two or three

1010
01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:58.800
months go by. Alan is going
to release his human film to Spain,

1011
01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:02.279
Mexico and in a moment, when
he returns to the country, he doesn

1012
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:04.920
' t say look, he tells
the truth. It' s not gonna

1013
01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:09.279
be a short one, I already
have the funds. It will be transformed

1014
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:14.479
into my second film and thus witness
of another world, which is the film

1015
01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:19.119
that relates John' s life,
the case. Actually, life is ju

1016
01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:25.119
Oscar Pérez, because the Omni case
becomes an event in a person' s

1017
01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:29.800
life. How an extraordinary event can
change a life, a person' s

1018
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:32.199
life and from another world' s
witness, well, the case is popular

1019
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:36.600
throughout the world. History Channe also
appears. Well, a whole series of

1020
01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:43.560
issues. I John, I end
up with John, having a friendship to

1021
01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:47.439
this day, We have a relationship
of friends. Today very good person,

1022
01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:56.560
very good yes total and tremendous observational
power you have good. I do three

1023
01:29:56.640 --> 01:30:01.079
regressions to Juan. Three regressions.
The first one looks a bit of ten

1024
01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:08.319
minutes as a witness of another world, but that regression lasted an hour fifteen.

1025
01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:14.800
There is a second regression in one- eyed deer and there is a

1026
01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:17.239
third regression that was commented but did
not come to light. There' s

1027
01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:21.880
a fragment turning around. That'
s why I once shared with a researcher

1028
01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:30.960
that this third regression John relates a
real experience of adduction. And when I

1029
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:33.199
say" adduction," it'
s because he' s forced. But

1030
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:41.439
the most interesting thing about that abduction, and whenever you want, I can

1031
01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:43.640
share that stuff with you. I
don' t have a problem. That

1032
01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:46.079
' s what I mean. I
have four book projects that I don'

1033
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:49.279
t know when I' m going
to write it maybe in ten years'

1034
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:55.479
time you' ll see the light
that the second part of John' s

1035
01:30:55.479 --> 01:30:57.319
book, which is called in the
fog, which is all that happened next.

1036
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:00.880
This is part of what happened next, as well as other meetings.

1037
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:04.159
But you know it' s the
most fascinating thing about that recording. The

1038
01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:11.600
most fascinating thing is that in a
moment I begin to ask Juan questions and

1039
01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:18.399
he begins to answer me with a
sound that makes with glottis. It doesn

1040
01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:23.800
' t open your mouth and the
impression of filming that I can get to

1041
01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:30.359
you. Filming is like I ask
you. He translates it into that sound

1042
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:35.680
and then the answer comes to me
in that sound. That was shared with

1043
01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:44.880
a person named Czech Herlaf, who
shared it without saying what. It was

1044
01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:51.560
two Morse code specialists and the two
people identified that as Mors code. Obviously

1045
01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:58.520
we translated it. You don'
t say, there' s nothing you

1046
01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:05.000
can understand as something a message,
but it' s awesome to see the

1047
01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:14.279
recording as that sound I make answers
the question I ask you. Czech Jarola

1048
01:32:14.399 --> 01:32:17.159
te lit a small video that is
called communicate in Morse gives several examples.

1049
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:23.479
There' s the recording. I' m gonna catch up with you because

1050
01:32:24.199 --> 01:32:28.479
it' s awesome that John lived. John continued to live things because it

1051
01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:30.319
is very long. Let' s
say so I can tell you everything that

1052
01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:34.359
happened next. But, for example, for a time colored orbs appeared in

1053
01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:41.720
the house, even in the room. Even a blue orb went to the

1054
01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:45.600
father' s room and the father
woke him up. The father wakes up

1055
01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:51.840
from the luminosity of that oroe and
continued to have precisely this type of encounter.

1056
01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:58.479
It is a fantastic case, because
dead beings also appear, this of

1057
01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:05.640
the taita the word taita is father. When that comes out in a regression,

1058
01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:14.399
when I ask you, I tell
you in the second regression. In

1059
01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.159
the first one he sees Grandpa,
in the second regression he interacts with Grandpa

1060
01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:25.920
and I tell him to ask Grandpa
who these beings are and through Grandpa they

1061
01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:30.279
tell him they are the Taitas my
children. That' s what he says

1062
01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:33.479
and he' s in regression.
The Taitas the word taita or the word

1063
01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:43.000
tata is father, that is in
fact the meaning tata is father. The

1064
01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:50.560
Taitas would be the parents then,
as if they were the spirits, the

1065
01:33:50.600 --> 01:34:00.920
spirits of their antido exactly missed him. They stood in this life for different

1066
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:04.800
things. That' s why.
Therefore, John is the perfect example of

1067
01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:13.600
omnis cases mixed with this question of
shamanic initiation. That is, in fact,

1068
01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:18.680
John begins to see from the experience
in dreams, he has premonitory dreams

1069
01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:25.079
that until we could make that film
in the two thousand sixteen, that John

1070
01:34:25.199 --> 01:34:30.800
could travel a Guaraní community, he
did not encourage himself to experience those dreams.

1071
01:34:30.439 --> 01:34:33.960
And then he lives them to those
dreams. And not only that,

1072
01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:40.479
but there' s a testimony I
could corroborate with John' s family.

1073
01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:44.720
I also know Juan' s family, with the sister who, from a

1074
01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:48.760
premonitory dream, saves the sister from
a robbery. I mean, why,

1075
01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:55.600
because he sees that they' re
stealing his house. There' s the

1076
01:34:55.720 --> 01:35:00.319
door open in the house and you
see the sister' s watch and you

1077
01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:05.000
see that the clock is around 12
noon that was going to pass that the

1078
01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:09.600
next day. Then you call them. He calls them, he calls us.

1079
01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:12.600
The sister called her, called us. In the end the keys and

1080
01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:16.159
look. I am this they will
rob you because after the dream sees that

1081
01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:19.880
the sister arrives at the house of
all scrambled that have stolen her, grabs

1082
01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:26.680
her some kind of heart attack and
ends up in a hospital. That'

1083
01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:30.279
s what Juan dreams. The next
day, he' s talking to one

1084
01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:31.720
of the sisters. The sister says
I can' t move, I can

1085
01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:36.600
' t go. She tells the
other sister. The other sister' s

1086
01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:42.319
going to the house. There are
twelve down to four, and by the

1087
01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:47.159
time he arrives, there were two
people trying to sweep, that is,

1088
01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:51.720
putting in an iron to pull out
the gate and enter the house. Such

1089
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:55.680
is so these. This event happened
on July 8th, juanes' birthday on

1090
01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:59.239
July 9th and what I was just
saying about another day brought me a big

1091
01:35:59.319 --> 01:36:03.880
cake because I had prevented the theft
and when I broke that time sequence notice,

1092
01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:10.279
this is interesting. And there we
go into quantum and we' re

1093
01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:16.000
on the subject of collapse a lot
of issues, because John sees what would

1094
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:21.520
have happened. If he was robbed, the sister ended up interning. When

1095
01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:29.119
she cuts off the event from when
she warns and does not produce, the

1096
01:36:29.239 --> 01:36:34.560
sister does not end up inside,
she ends up giving her a cake,

1097
01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:40.439
that is, and that also involves
many more things, because there is one

1098
01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:45.000
thing that is called about the effect
of Butterfly wings, maybe the life of

1099
01:36:45.079 --> 01:36:50.239
a simple man of the pampa,
who changes his life because that type of

1100
01:36:50.399 --> 01:36:55.680
entities tell him that things are going
to happen, it makes change the history

1101
01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:58.680
of much of Argentina' s pampa
and this of humanity. And that'

1102
01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:00.199
s what we don' t know
and everything we' re in. Also,

1103
01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:04.800
investigating the omnic phenomenon and now they
can insult me Juan Juange Vallejo,

1104
01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:11.760
or wherever they want. Many times
we thought if we were convinced that we

1105
01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:14.840
really were doing what we were doing. This says a lot Jjo Benítez,

1106
01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:17.239
and there if I agree with him, there is like a kind of invisible

1107
01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:20.039
hand, that is behind, that
moves the threads and that makes you go

1108
01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:25.479
here, that way you count or
suddenly we become as has happened with this

1109
01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:28.800
program in Latin America that I do
not believe nor I, because it happened

1110
01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:35.239
then. This has many more implications
that escape us, okay they escape us.

1111
01:37:36.159 --> 01:37:41.800
But really what we' re in
contact with is another reality. The

1112
01:37:41.880 --> 01:37:47.920
OMNIC phenomenon falls into the curtains and
shows us a fascinating reality that has historical

1113
01:37:48.039 --> 01:37:53.399
implications and today and as much as
they want or do not want. And

1114
01:37:53.479 --> 01:38:00.319
such will remain present for millennia as
long as we are here on planet Earth

1115
01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:03.119
in Fin Nestor, Berlanda. You
can' t imagine how happy this interview

1116
01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:06.560
made me. By the way,
a curious detail about Juan Oscar Pérez.

1117
01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:10.800
I was with him and I have
a collection of knives taken me out here.

1118
01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:13.000
It' s on TV in Colombia, from the collection I have of

1119
01:38:13.039 --> 01:38:15.600
knife from all over the world.
He gave me his gaucho knife. I

1120
01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:18.239
' ve got it right here.
I have it here in the house the

1121
01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:24.000
lord who is a love. His
story is completely real. They have been

1122
01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:28.439
investigating, they were there these characters
like Jack Ballet, the astrophysicist who is

1123
01:38:28.439 --> 01:38:30.920
known worldwide and on which is based
the character even of the movie Encounters of

1124
01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:35.239
the Third Kind, Encounters in the
Third Phase, as it was called in

1125
01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:41.159
Spain. So, anyway, a
lot of tremendous implications. Nestor Berlanda,

1126
01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:45.439
well, first recommend your books that
I' m going to repeat again the

1127
01:38:45.640 --> 01:38:48.960
name of them. One of them, the strangers, you have it again,

1128
01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:54.399
in Amazon Latin America, that is, if you are in Latin America,

1129
01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:59.760
you put it in Spain, easier, but there are Amazon the strangers

1130
01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:03.199
and the other behind the fog the
real story, of an extraordinary encounter,

1131
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:08.720
those two books and that when you
read to me the strangers, I will

1132
01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:11.359
again annoy Nestor berlandáz Friend your conclusion
and your closing to finish the interview.

1133
01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:20.760
Well, as you say, I
basically started when I was 13. I

1134
01:39:21.079 --> 01:39:28.039
' m sixty- one, almost
fifty years old, investigating the mystery,

1135
01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:30.479
going around the world. Luckily,
behind these things, today I have no

1136
01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:35.760
doubt that things are. As you
say, this is a reality. It

1137
01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:44.039
comes with us from time immemorial and
things happen and one is attentive. As

1138
01:39:44.159 --> 01:39:48.279
I said yesterday in an interview with
Fernando Hilder Bravo, there are miguitas that

1139
01:39:48.399 --> 01:39:53.479
are leaving us, as in the
story of Ansel and Grette. If we

1140
01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:56.000
follow those little friends. We'
re gonna find everything in the house.

1141
01:39:57.560 --> 01:40:00.399
The theme is to stay in the
friend and not to be confused on the

1142
01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:05.199
way. But, of course,
everything that we are in this somewhere we

1143
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:11.479
go and many times they take us
just because they put the crumbs on us.

1144
01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:15.600
This is the unknown place that I
think has to do with the nature

1145
01:40:15.640 --> 01:40:19.840
of humanity and the future of humanity. So we' ll see. I

1146
01:40:19.880 --> 01:40:25.199
' m convinced and if you'
ve become the investigator of certain cases that

1147
01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:30.119
cause consciences to be removed and we
think about this in a different way,

1148
01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:33.239
it' s no coincidence either.
Nestor Berlanda a strong, strong hug and

1149
01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:39.439
thank you so much for this interview. You also greet your audience very much

1150
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:45.479
and thank you for allowing me this
spectacular interview. I take that reflection from

1151
01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:50.159
Nestor Berlanda, when you say we
have some crumbs, we are seeing part

1152
01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:54.239
of a reality that we do not
understand. Why don' t we see

1153
01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:58.640
the whole of reality. And I
thought that was magnificent. And other things

1154
01:40:58.800 --> 01:41:01.279
about the case of Juan Oscard Pérez, which I repeat you have a podcast.

1155
01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:08.079
I' d say I put another
world' s witness to that po

1156
01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:13.439
here in the mystery night playlist is
also in part of that hidden interview behind

1157
01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:16.479
the shadow on my YouTube channel.
And another of the things I' m

1158
01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:25.239
not curious about that abduction comes that
omni experience of Juan Pérez. Then he

1159
01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:30.159
has an abduction with Oscar Perez and
there appear those tattoos that he calls.

1160
01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:35.720
His grandfather appears to him, tells
him about his ancestors and, suddenly,

1161
01:41:36.239 --> 01:41:42.840
because he begins to have premonitory dreams
that are also fulfilled. It' s

1162
01:41:42.960 --> 01:41:48.119
like it' s a phenomenon,
it' s so complex and at the

1163
01:41:48.199 --> 01:41:49.640
same time I don' t know. It' s like they give you

1164
01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:54.760
a cake, they tell you to
be sober that the world you see isn

1165
01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:58.840
' t reality. Not then it' s like very heavy joange To me

1166
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:01.199
I think that what went without this
interview, apart from the experience, the

1167
01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:06.840
expertise and the scientific analysis in this
Berlanda, is that I would dare to

1168
01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:13.439
say that the great topic that we
address beyond abductions, is the nature of

1169
01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:18.000
reality. How to try to determine
it from the point of view of science,

1170
01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:25.479
How this nature of reality is redeemed
with the experiences of abductions, with

1171
01:42:25.600 --> 01:42:30.159
the shamanic experiences that would be in
a certain way, related note that you

1172
01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:34.239
also commented in the interview Juange that, for example, our great friend Maego

1173
01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:38.880
Martínez a hug for her. In
his book I got a near- death

1174
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:43.800
experience that would be very, very
related or closely related to the archetypal figure

1175
01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:48.640
of gres are the big head of
the eyes. Huge and curious, not,

1176
01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:53.159
as Nestor Bernanda said, that such
a figure could mean in Antiquity what

1177
01:42:53.199 --> 01:43:00.520
they see beyond the darkness by that
type of eyes. And so, then

1178
01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:05.560
it' s a phenomenon I'
ve never understood and every day it fascinates

1179
01:43:05.560 --> 01:43:09.199
me more now. Of course,
the fact that a ship from another world

1180
01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:14.199
comes here stands in the field and
so and that this is much more complex.

1181
01:43:15.720 --> 01:43:18.439
Definitely the most complex cho, which
is much more complex, Friend,

1182
01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:25.279
your conclusion of your closing. Reitero, Juan Ge, a wonderful interview where

1183
01:43:25.479 --> 01:43:30.640
we could analyze how we have to
ana, as we have to glimpse in

1184
01:43:30.720 --> 01:43:34.399
this case, the limits of reality, the nature of it as science.

1185
01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:40.439
He is becoming more and more involved
in making an analysis of this kind of

1186
01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:44.279
very interesting topics. Juan Ge,
I really hope you enjoyed this podcast and

1187
01:43:44.319 --> 01:43:48.079
you can follow me on social media, on Twitter, Instagram and tiktok in

1188
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:53.479
three alebernal arroba with doubles. It
is curious in ancient times, as shamans

1189
01:43:53.560 --> 01:44:00.600
and ancient priests sought experience in which
to see beyond and speak with angels and

1190
01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:08.359
demons And it is curious how the
experiences of these priests and these shamans have

1191
01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:14.159
to do and are in a tremendous
way similar to these abdutions, because suddenly

1192
01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:17.520
he was abducted. What enters is
a magical world, an unreal world,

1193
01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:25.319
where the impossible becomes possible, where, for example, they can advance to

1194
01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:32.199
the future, where they see their
ancestors and where they see other dimensions that

1195
01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:40.239
come to this and challenge us in
a challenge that pushes us to see the

1196
01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:45.600
world and the multiverse in which we
are with other eyes And never forget that

1197
01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:50.640
we live in a magical world,
because it is full of mystery