RELATOS ATERRADORES DE MIGRANTES / EN LA FRONTERA SE VIVEN HORRORES / L.C.E.

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Hello, everyone. My name is
Jaime Carrizo. The experience I want to

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share with you is along the way. When I emigrated to the United States.

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I am from Honduras and I had
to go through all of Mexico to

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get into this country. I greet
you today from Austin, Texas. Fortunately,

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I managed to get past this country
and I was able to find a

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new future, which many immigrants cannot
do. This experience is during the road,

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as I told you, it goes
through all of Mexico and despite being

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such a long road and so two
hard, I found on the way many

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people who treated me and my family
in a very good spectacular way, I

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would say. Many offered us food, including lodging. On those cold nights

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when we were at the border,
we were a small caravan. I remember

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that maybe we were like seventeen or
twenty- one people traveling in a group

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and in this group obviously there were
different people of different ages, children,

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babies, adults and also older adults. I know it' s hard for

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some people to believe that practically old
people want to move to another country,

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but believe me. This happens many
times. I think most of the time

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when these seniors want to move to
the United States, it' s not

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to work, but they already have
family members there and for one reason or

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another, they can' t send
money, so they ask their family members,

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maybe the sick, maybe the elderly, to go over there to pass

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the country so they can take care
of them in the United States. I

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don' t know if it was
the case with these elders. The point

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is, I saw at least two
very old people with us other times.

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It may also be the grandfather or
the father who is only leading the grandson

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or the child. The thing is, there was an old woman, an

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old woman walking around in a bend
and just when we were at the border,

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a group of maybe activists, people
who do charity, I think some

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religion offered us lodging. The lodging
with was of some tents and a portable

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bathroom, something that I believe we
thanked them very much. I remember this

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old lady walking around and posing next
to the portable bathroom. I think we

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all used it. Now we were
only having dinner when my daughter told me

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she wanted to go to the bathroom. The bathroom was not far away and

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was even visible as a few feet. I was with my little son and

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my wife was also with our baby, so I told her to go,

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but be very careful that we were
going to be watching him from here.

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When my daughter went, I only
kept my eye on her until she came

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to the bathroom, but she immediately
came back. I asked her she did.

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I thought I had done very fast. She replied that no, that

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the old lady who was there had
run her, that she was busy.

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The truth is that you wanted to
have problems, so I just let it

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go and told you to wait about
five minutes and ask again. We let

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about ten minutes go by. Even
my daughter went back to the bathroom and

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came back in the same way.
She told me again that that old lady

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had not let her in, that
she had already taken care of it by

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now. That was a long time, so the third time she was my

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daughter already in company with me,
we waited about ten minutes again, but

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we didn' t see anyone leave
the bathroom. What I thought was maybe

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she was a little old grumpy,
maybe she was upset about everything and wanted

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to take it out on the kids. It was me in my daughter'

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s company and when I got to
the bathroom this old lady didn' t

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tell me anything. She was just
sitting on a plastic chair and reloading part

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of her body in the portable bathroom
was all falling down with her eyes closed.

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My daughter came in, did what
she had to do and then came

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out and just when she closed the
bathroom door, which makes a sudden move,

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it' s plastic. The bathroom
rumbled as the door closed and that

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caused this old lady' s body
to plummet forward, but it was heard

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very but very solid. The old
lady didn' t even put her arms

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in. It was immediately me.
Almost everyone traveling with us realized this.

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They stood up. I picked up
the old lady, but she was cold,

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she was hard, petrified. I
put her back in the chair and

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asked Granny. It' s okay. I used to call her Granny just

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as a form of expression, because
I didn' t know her name,

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but the old lady didn' t
answer me. They all got together that

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night, they all saw the old
lady, they touched her trying to revive

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her, but no one could.
She had died quickly. The paramedics are

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here for our surprise. They asked
us why we hadn' t called before.

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We replied that we had hardly noticed. In fact, I told one

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of the nurses and doctors that the
lady was fine, that about ten minutes

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ago my daughter had come and talked
to her. One of them pulled me

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out and asked me exactly what time
I had seen my daughter talk to that

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granny. I told him it wasn' t much longer than 15 minutes ago.

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The doctor told me that this was
impossible, because according to the signs

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and the state of the body,
that old woman had been without life for

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at least an hour and a half. Greetings to all of you. My

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name is Jacinto and this is my
experience. He' s got some time

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that happened to me. Yeah.
I' m a married man and this

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happened to me when I was just
a 22- year- old. I

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' m the youngest in the family. I' m the smallest son,

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so to speak. My whole life
I lived with my brothers and as the

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years passed one by one, he
went to the United States to have a

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better quality of life. At the
end of everything, I ended up staying

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with my parents and then they died. Because I was alone, my brothers

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invited me to go to the United
States. With them, obviously, because

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they were illegal, they couldn'
t come for me I had to go.

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The cost of going over there is
very expensive. I remember I had

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to work in three different jobs to
save enough to pay at least one decent

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chick that could take me to the
other side. To my luck, my

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brothers had also thought of me and
had sent me money and had recommended a

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chicken that, although it cost a
lot, was almost a fact that I

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was going to pass to the United
States. I had worked too much alex

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too much, I was exhausted with
shiners, but very impatient and happy to

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see my family again, even in
a different country. I went with that

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chick. I gave him the money
my brothers also gave me and because of

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the excessive amount, he told me
that he could transport me only to me.

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He told me that had a lot
of pros. I didn' t

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have to deal with any more people, besides that just passing on to me

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would be a more discreet way to
avoid federal agents. I accepted. They

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told me I was going to spend
the night. These colts were wearing a

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type of convoy They were four vans, and they put me in an empty

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one. I remember very well when
I entered it was completely empty. I

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had several seats, seats going from
one end to the other and to the

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end of the box I got up
there and this man told me that on

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the way I would bring a crevice
that was placed on one of the open

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doors, so that I could pass
the air without any problems, but that

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in the most dangerous course in the
course where it might be stopped. I

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was going to shut it down completely
more than anything to keep it from being

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stopped, avoid looking inwards. I
told him there was no problem with this

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chick. He told me he was
only telling me because he didn' t

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want me to be scared when I
closed the door, but he told all

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the immigrant groups he was carrying in
that box. He explained to me that

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with me, because it was not
a problem because it was just me,

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but that when I was a big
group, I told them to take strong

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air or breathe as slow as possible, because by closing the crevice, oxygen

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is practically non- existent and cannot
open the door until passing that stretch.

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The people with the weakest lungs were
the ones who had the worst time and

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despite the fact that I asked him
if there had been any victims due to

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the asphyxiation of the truck, the
asphyxiation of that box. He said no,

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but I' m pretty sure there
was. They are practically people who

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nobody cares about, desperate people who, if they disappear into a territory that

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is not theirs, have no way
of finding them. I was afraid of

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this. I got in the box, they closed it and transported me.

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As I told you earlier, Alex
had worked a lot, but a lot

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to achieve this passage and even though
he was going with fear and alert of

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everything that could happen along the way, the tiredness could be more and I

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fell asleep on the way. When
I woke up it was because I bumped

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into my shoulder with something soft from
those times that you fall asleep and inadvertently,

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because you fall so to speak.
One side and I came across something

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soft, with one person' s
shoulder, I got up right away and

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saw that crack was already closed,
the only lighting that came into that box

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from time to time was the lights
of the cars, when they used those

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little slits that had the door.
The fear took over my body more than

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anything, because I didn' t
know where I was going when I opened

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my legs, when I wanted to
stretch after the nap I had had touched

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that people were going on both sides
of me. Once I saw that my

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sight was attached to those darkness,
to that absorbing darkness that I saw very

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little I had to say, I
could observe that not only the box was

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full. There were a lot of
people with me, kids, babies,

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adults, women. What I thought
was good, this chick sure cheated on

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me. He had other migrants he
went through and he just put it up.

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I didn' t have to complain
much less about those people who can

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be dangerous. I sat still,
but almost immediately as a fleeting memory came

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to my memory that which this chick
had said that, once closing the crevice,

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oxygen is almost non- existent and
it runs out of my mind every

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minute. At that moment I took
air with my nose, with my mouth

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and tried to breathe as slowly as
possible. It wasn' t long I

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was there, but because of the
tiredness again I ended up sleeping. At

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the end of the day, they
woke me up with two strong touches on

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my chest finger touches. Apparently,
he had already arrived and I was the

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only one inside the box. I
thought that the other migrants, because they

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had already come out of the box
and below it was the chicken, which,

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between laughs asked me you enjoyed the
way. I saw you came in

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good sleep. When I closed the
rindijilla and now I go to the door,

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you' re still asleep, I
bet you didn' t even feel

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it true who, like you,
many would want to cross to the border.

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I have a dream. I slashed
my eyes, answered him, yes,

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I have worked a lot and because
I am sleepy, I am tired

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and the other migrants where they are. He told me. The deal was

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that I was going to bring you
here and from here you were going to

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go to a station that your relatives
told you. I didn' t take

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you to the migrants' house,
because you come from just like migrants.

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You' re talking to me.
When I was a strong migrant, this

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chick took them to a particular house, as I couldn' t leave people

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like that on the street. It
would look very obvious and I was already

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on a street with people passing on
a sidewalk, claxson cars business. It

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was true. Even my relatives had
told me about this house. Then I

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said to myself they brought me here
and the other migrants took him to the

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house because I didn' t come. Alone. You brought people up.

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When the chick was asleep, he
stared at me and told me not much

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cho, you came alone all this
time we didn' t go up to

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anyone who had a good trip.
I was thoughtful while the chick, along

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with two men, closed that box. The chicken was leaving in his truck

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and the other two men in a
car. Luckily, I got there with

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my family and everything was fine,
I had no problems. Later, luckily,

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I managed to cross the border safely. What I think alex is that

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what I saw inside that box wasn' t living people. I think all

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those people who came there were the
people who couldn' t hold their breath,

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that oxygen sadly or rather fatefully ran
out. For there are not a

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few cases of chickens who abandon migrants
or who, although they arrive at their

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destination, arrive without half of these
and, to put it mildly, without

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half of them. I mean lifeless, since those boxes assure you of entering

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the United States, they don'
t make sure you get there alive.

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If too many people go, oxygen
tends to run out very quickly. I

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think those who traveled with me sadly
ran out of hello. My name is

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Rodolfo Acuñe. My experience is as
follows when I traveled to the United States.

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But unfortunately, like many other migrants, we are not able to pass.

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It was a very strange journey.
It was a journey that I dare

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say by this very experience that I
am going to tell you, it was

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very marked in my life. All
that way we walked, me, my

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sister and her husband in the company
of their children. It' s unforgettable

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for me. At that time we
hit a carava that came in passing.

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Me and my sister are from Mexico
and we were from a very remote area

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where there are almost no job opportunities. That' s until we moved to

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more urbanized areas, where we did
much better. But at that time we

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believed that the way out was obviously
the United States. We hit that caravan,

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we walked among that bunch of people. I think it would be at

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least 70 or 80 people, on
a certain route. We had to cross

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a mountain, not go through it
only on the road, obviously, obviously

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to one side, so that the
trailers, the trucks, the cars,

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because they did not pass over one, since it had caught us the night

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and we had to keep walking.
Several of the migrants I remember that they

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had put yellow ribbons, those that
reflected the light more than anything to point

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out that we were walking around and
that the cars, because they saw us

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For several points of the way,
I lost sight of my sister and also

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her husband and his children. They
knew my sister' s children were very

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overpowering, very tremendous. I remember
he even tied them to his waist more

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than anything to keep an eye on
them. I was then twenty years old

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and both my sister and her husband
and I were bringing cell phones, nothing

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ostentatious, that kind of phones that
are just to call texting and little more

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when I lost them, the truth
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I knew it was something that had
to happen, but despite this,

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I was very alert, as I
knew very well that my nephews, perhaps

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careless, perhaps because of the energy
they brought, were lost. My sister

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had happened on a few trips and
I was afraid it would happen. Precisely

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at that moment I was walking by
the side of the mountain immersed in my

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thoughts, until, in front of
me, a lady of some forty and

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so many who was in the company
of another much younger woman, were talking

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and were saying that whose child was
that child, that child who was walking

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alone in the mountain, who were
the same distance as our caravan. He

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was in a backpack, he was
wearing a cap, but he was a

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kid of a few ten years old. The weed even reached his shoulder.

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You could only see his cap to
his head and part of his shoulders and

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chest, I turned merely out of
curiosity alex and VI, who was my

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nephew the heart immediately accelerated from what
I was so afraid of. Finally it

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happened, but in a certain way, despite being scared, I was also

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relieved, because without wanting to find
him, I bet that my sister was

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scared, exalted looking for him among
the people, I went immediately with him.

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I held my nephew' s hand, which seemed very strange to me.

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Me and him have been in a
very close relationship for a lifetime.

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Every time he sees me, he
jumps with pleasure to see me, but

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on that occasion he didn' t. I found it too strange, as

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when I went alone, I thought
I might be afraid. I thought maybe

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he was nervous, scared, and
when he saw me, he was going

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to be very comforted, but he
didn' t just see me with strange

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eyes, eyes that I could say, were inexpressive. I took his hand

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and pulled it with me. I
asked her where your mom is, what

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are you doing here? You just
let him go, but he didn'

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t answer me. He kept walking
next to me. I found it strange

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that his act did not match his
personality. By taking his arm, Alex

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his palm could feel that it was
cold all cold. I grabbed her hand

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and put it together with mine,
but I was sucking her more than anything

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to warm her up and if the
night was cold, at that moment I

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took my cell phone and decided to
dial my sister so she wouldn' t

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be so scared that at least she
knew I was bringing her and that my

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other nephew, because I grabbed him
well to keep him with her, at

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least until we regrouped later. I
called him on the phone and she didn

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' t take long to answer me. I also went very far to the

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slope. As soon as she answered
me, I told her to calm down,

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she doesn' t come with me
anymore. She answered me very relaxed

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and practically without knowing what was going
on. He told me how who'

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s coming with you. I told
my nephew either you missed it or you

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didn' t. I told you
to see them very well that they can

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escape you or they could even pull
it out to one of the people.

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They' re very young children.
There was silence on the call. I

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dare say that my sister saw her
two children there with me and answered me

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the following. No. They'
re not gone. They' re with

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me. I told him how,
but I brought one of my hand,

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my sister. Again it took him
a few minutes to answer me to say

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no again. They' re both
with me. They' re here by

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my side, who you' re
holding hands with. At that moment I

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turn around and I' ll never
forget what I saw. I can'

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t say what it is but I
can say it was like a goat,

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a goat with a lot of hair. I say it was a goat because

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the horns that came out of it
were very similar to those of a goat,

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besides that what I held in my
hand was no longer a little boy

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' s hand. It was a
hoof, a hoof like a goat'

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s. I immediately released her and
immediately she began to laugh but to laugh

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in a way not like an animal
would fall, not like some goat wanted

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her, in a very human way. He began to laugh in a way

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of mind. There can' t
be very well that it' s because

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of his hair, which stretched out
to fall on both sides of his body.

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What he could tell you was that
he was moving on all fours immediately.

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When I let her go I ran
back to the road, because by

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this time I kept walking between the
mountain about a few seven or nine meters

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from the road where the migrants were
going, walking while she also ran but

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to get back between the trees and
the mountain and it was lost in a

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few seconds. I got him back
with the trailer hyperventilating totally scared holding my

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one heart. Several of them offered
me help, and the truth is,

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they did help me a lot.
When I met my sister again, I

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didn' t talk to her,
at least in the first place. What

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I had lived through was until later. What I think happened that night was

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that I found myself face to face
with what is popularly called a wal hello.

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Good night, everyone I want my
name to be anonymous. What I

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want to talk to you about is
not an experience of my own. It

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' s an experience of a friend
of mine. A friend of mine who,

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like so many others, decided to
risk and go in search of a

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better life, passing to the United
States. My friend at the time would

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be a few eighteen years old or
nineteen. His family was in a precarious

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condition and decided to move to the
United States. I made it to them,

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but that does say that he would
pass there, cross that river,

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cross that desert was the most traumatic
and disturbing experience he ever lived in his

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entire life. He says that he, along with another caravan, could say

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another group of people who wanted to
pass illegally, were planning to do it

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as gallantly as possible, that is, that they themselves were going to jump

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the wall, they were going to
go into the Bravo River and they were

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going to try to run, cross
the desert and get to some place in

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the United States. I think many
know that this idea, while the most

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widely used, is the most likely
to be caught. Only a few can

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pass in this way in my friend, with that luck he managed to do

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it, although of course, to
prepare this jump. Not only is it

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so because everyone in that group had
contemplated. They knew very well that many,

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much of them, would not succeed. The only way was to have

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bait, but of course who of
them was going to take the bait.

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Everyone wants to pass, so they
didn' t have another one They resolved

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that at a specific hour, everyone
would jump over the wall and go into

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the river. They knew exactly that
the federal agents were going after them at

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the time. But if they all
jumped at the same time disorganized, dissipated,

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not all together, but at different
points, although they were going to

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catch most, they were going to
see a few that if they were going

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to get through. Obviously, that' s why they were planning on jumping

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all over the place, but scattered
loosely. My friend says he stayed with

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a group of teenagers about the same
age, who were eighteen the twenty years

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they were going to jump together at
the same time, but he deceived them

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at the very hour, my friend
decided to jump about twenty meters away from

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them, he got into the river. He even held his breath there for

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a few minutes. I want to
point out that all this was done in

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the early morning, because at that
time, even though border agents have technologies

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for night vision, they are more
likely not to catch you. Compared to

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the day, my friend kept breathing. Then he came out of the river

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and crawled through all the grass,
the stones, the mud and continued to

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crawl. According to him, for
several minutes. He listened to the patrols,

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he heard there was a lot of
movement, so he waited there for

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about an hour, until the whole
movement didn' t stop, but let

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' s say he calmed down a
bit. My friend was shaking. Obviously,

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it had wet everything in the river
and the wind in that desert that

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continues it. Low temperatures end many
people and more with wet clothes. He

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was shaking, rubbing both arms.
I suck as much as he could.

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After waiting for that time, he
stood up and without going completely upright,

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it' s more like crouching,
crouching. Walking with his knees bent,

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he continued the way. He was
looking, he was looking at the roads,

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he was looking at the roads,
and he knew very well that he

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had to stay away from those tracks
that were on the ground, from the

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vans, from the agents. He
was very smart. He walked away from

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all that. He crawled into the
grass, crawled through the earth behind the

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rocks, continued his way. Every
time I heard an engine approaching it stopped

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completely. My friend' s luck
is that, in fact, the patrols

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did not pass near him, but
almost immediately along the way he began to

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find belongings of people who had passed
by. Wallets, bags, headbands,

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toys, kids. My friend continued
to walk until on that road where he

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says it was already practically pure desert, he continued to stay away from the

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roads, as border patrols still guard
the adjoining roads. He began to encounter

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bones, human bones of people who
had simply died. There he continued to

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move away to the point where he
said he didn' t see any road

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and didn' t see any car
lights. There was, we could say

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it disoriented. Luckily, he had
a compass, but he doesn' t

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want to use it yet. He
wanted to get away from all that,

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from everything that could put him at
a considerable distance from some border people,

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he kept walking crouching still for this
moment. It hurt her. His back

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had been almost three and a half
hours or four hours alone. And here

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begins the terrifying, because he begins
to find corpses in the way clothes,

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dirty and holes, remains of what
could be a family, men, children,

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women just lying in the desert.
It was as if a whole group

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had lost their lives. There all
the bodies were gathered together and in the

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midst of all these bodies, which
were scattered throughout the earth, he says

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he saw a woman, a woman
sitting on the sand, with her legs

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not fully spread out, but putting
them bent with her knees lifted up.

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The soles of his feet continued to
touch the sand. It was somewhat reclined

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and recharged in his arms. It
was like she was sitting on the beach

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with no worries. Looking up,
my friend says that the first thing that

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disturbed him very much was to see
her just sitting there among all the bodies.

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And even more, when you saw
the look of this woman in the

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moonlight, you could see that her
whole body was thin, but I'

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m not talking about a normal thinness. Her skin was sucked inward her bones

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almost completely. His entire skeleton was
visible. Her skin was only like paper,

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a thing that was stuck to her
bones that only covered her. This

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woman was without clothes, only with
a veil covering part of her chest,

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she only wore a kind of cloth, something grey and stained that only covered

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part of her chest so torso,
her chest, her waist and nothing more

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than that. His face, like
his entire body, was basically a skin

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- coated skull. His eyes were
dark, even in the darkness of the

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night. They were very visible to
my friend, but he had no other.

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I had to pass by there and
went along as I was walking closer

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to this woman who could see her
better with every step approaching. This woman

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stopped seeing the sky to see him
staring. She smiled at him. Frankly

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he said it was very disturbing,
not why he smiled strangely, but because

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basically his face was a skull.
His lips were so thin and fleshless that

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through the skin his teeth could be
seen. She' s a woman who

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shouldn' t be alive because of
the state she was in and as if

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nothing, this woman asks my friend
where you' re going. He didn

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' t answer her. He kept
crawling so that only seconds later, this

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woman would tell him, don'
t worry, you' re gonna pass.

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You keep walking, you' re
not going to die. Here,

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my friend only did what he did
was stop turning to where that woman was

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and say thank you. Maybe I
was cheering him up. The woman probably

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thought the same thing too, because
she told her not to worry. I

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' m not telling you to comfort
you yet it' s not your time

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and it' s not even close
to being. When it is, I

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' ll see you again my friend
continued walking and, although it cost him

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a lot of effort and hours walking, he managed to reach his target in

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wet clothes that was now dry and
had stuck to his skin, causing some

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wounds. He could not all the
way forget the appearance of this woman,

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forget her presence, the presence that
gave her a horrible cold and chill.

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He says now that he has already
returned to Mexico some times that what he

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saw that night at first thought that
maybe she was a dying woman. Then

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she thought she was a witch.
But those were the last words that this

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woman told you maybe. Then they
gave her the answer, in addition to

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the fact that that woman was sitting
among all the corpses and seemed not to

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care and even seemed comfortable. My
friend thinks that that night he saw was

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the very death. My name is
Enrique Sotelo. This experience came from my

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father. My father worked in the
United States about eight or ten years ago.

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He worked a long time there with
the money he earned, made us

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a house and gave studies to me
and my brothers. This was not always

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the case. In fact, before
I was born, he was working here

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in Mexico. He had a certain
fear of going to the United States,

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especially because of certain stories that were
told were not paranormal stories, they were

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not stories about ghosts, but practically
stories of tragedy. Some migrants were unable

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to reach the United States. Many
of these perished and continue to do so

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along this path. But despite this, my father was friends with other people

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who had left, as popularly said, from wet. They had arrived in

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the United States and had done relatively
well. One of them had told my

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father that he had gotten a very
good job and that not only was that

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good news, but that these entrepreneurs
who were from the countryside occupied both people,

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but they didn' t want to
bring anyone in. They wanted to

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bring in friends or relatives of the
same employees they already had on their side,

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they had no problem, that these
employees were of another nationality and had

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no documents analyzing the pay. My
father saw that it was a good opportunity,

416
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:45.559
so he enlisted, saved money and
started the trip. It has to

417
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be said that three friends of his
had gone to the United States, but

418
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only two had managed to arrive.
One of these friends had died along the

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00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:08.679
way. My father says he heard
about his friend' s death from the

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00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:15.440
family. The body had been found
and because of the conditions in which the

421
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:22.159
body was found, they could not
show it to the family. He was

422
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:30.159
only recognized by signs, by tattoos, by the credentials he carried and also

423
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:36.480
by other belongings that had been found. But, however, the body could

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00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:45.920
not show it, especially because of
the condition this friend was in. To

425
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:52.079
say, some name was called Tomás. Thomas is said to have suffered what

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00:45:52.119 --> 00:46:02.679
other large numbers of immigrants suffer daily
and is being abandoned miles before reaching the

427
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:10.559
border or in the desert. They
simply keep their money and leave them there

428
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:15.599
adrift, often without knowing where they
are, whether in Mexico or in the

429
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:23.159
United States. My father went with
a very positive mentality and thought he was

430
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:30.559
going to run with good luck,
but it turns out this wasn' t

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00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:37.119
the case. My father had the
same bad luck as Thomas. To not

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00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:43.079
make the story longer, not to
fall into some details and just focus on

433
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.559
my father' s paranormal experience,
is that he reached the Rio Bravo.

434
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:57.840
They had practically abandoned them. My
father was without hungry money and with a

435
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:02.360
lot of sleep. He remembers that
he had not eaten about four days,

436
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:10.840
three days, and those same days
he had not slept either, he staggered,

437
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.880
falling asleep even for minutes. As
he walked as if he were sleepwalking,

438
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:23.599
he went into this river and began
to walk in it, he said

439
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:29.400
he saw it all cloudy. He
does not know whether by sleep or by

440
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:35.920
the absence of food, but far
away where the darkness of the night allowed

441
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.920
him to see. Because this happens
during the night, as migrants said it

442
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:47.280
was the right time to pass by
the river. It was a time when

443
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:53.760
the border patrol doesn' t have
much visibility and you can hide easily.

444
00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:01.360
One of the tips was that if
you saw a van to an officer and

445
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:07.480
you were still in the river.
If he had some condition to swim or

446
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:15.440
to hold his breath under the water, you had to use it at that

447
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:20.920
time, so he immediately thought it
was a patrol. He immediately dived underwater.

448
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:32.440
My father could endure certain minutes underwater, but due to tiredness, due

449
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:39.320
to hunger, he was fainting below. He doesn' t know how many

450
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:45.639
minutes passed, but you' re
not sure if he started losing the air

451
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:52.199
under the water and he just didn' t care, he didn' t

452
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:57.360
have enough strength to get out to
the surface. He only says that everything

453
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:02.639
went dark, closed his eyes and
fainted. He feels like someone' s

454
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:07.800
carrying him by taking him by the
arm and shoulder. Somebody pulls it out

455
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.360
of the water. He says that
by turning his head and looking at the

456
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:16.880
person he sees that it is Thomas, he takes his friend who had supposedly

457
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:24.000
died. He looks at it and
asks where we are, what we are

458
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:31.800
doing. My father remembers perfectly all
the talk he had with him. They

459
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:38.000
talked about childhood stuff, stuff about
her adult life, stuff about her family.

460
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:44.559
It was as if his lifelong friend
had him in front of him.

461
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:52.199
My father remembers that, despite being
wandering, despite feeling very bad at that

462
00:49:52.360 --> 00:50:00.559
time, he tells Tomás hears,
but you' re supposed to be dead,

463
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.840
that maybe you weren' t seen
a couple of months ago at your

464
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:12.360
house. What are you doing here, Thomas, Despite all my father was

465
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:20.039
aware that his friend had passed away, but even though I was asking him

466
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:27.559
these questions, Thomas did not answer. He simply changed the subject, changed

467
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:35.800
the subject or laughed. My father
came out of the river, walked next

468
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:43.239
to him in the desert. They
were walking, they were chatting in the

469
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:51.239
cold desert, when Thomas gave him
a bracelet, a bracelet that was very

470
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.800
characteristic of him. On this bracelet
he wore a saint, who is St

471
00:50:55.199 --> 00:51:04.800
Jude Tadeo gave it to my father
and then they continued to talk. My

472
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:08.519
father doesn' t remember at what
point. Thomas, from one moment to

473
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:15.920
the next, disappeared and was no
longer walking next to him. So out

474
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:23.639
of nowhere as if the wind had
taken him more. However, that bracelet

475
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:31.679
was still held by my father.
He waited in a wooden box he carried,

476
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:38.320
a box in which he kept certain
things locked. This key was indispensable

477
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:45.679
to open the box. My father
put the bracelet in there to keep it

478
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:54.119
very well and as time passed,
this bracelet disappeared anyway. Fortunately, my

479
00:51:54.159 --> 00:52:04.360
father came to his destination and with
a surprising story to tell At that time,

480
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:09.159
my father believed that this was an
insurance misunderstanding, because of the conditions

481
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:17.639
in which he was going he had
hallucinated everything. Indeed, someone had helped

482
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.000
him out, but that person,
maybe he was a migrant, maybe someone

483
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:29.519
else he didn' t know,
but because of hunger, because of sleep,

484
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:37.920
because of the precarious conditions in which
he was walking. That person may

485
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:44.320
have been distorted by his face and
thought it was Thomas. He thought Tomás

486
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:49.639
was helping him get out of the
river. This was thought by my father

487
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:57.360
for a time, like for the
first six months, but now, decades

488
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:06.199
later, he created something totally different. He believes that his friend lost his

489
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:13.000
life in that stretch and that what
happened is nothing else, but the last

490
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:22.119
consideration of friendship that they had.
Thomas helped him not to perish in the

491
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:27.719
same place where he had done so, for many souls are said not to

492
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:43.599
leave the place where they die.
My name is Camila Gallego. I'

493
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:45.960
d like to tell you about my
father' s experience. I currently live

494
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:52.519
in Texas. I have both nationalities. So to speak. I' m

495
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:59.719
Mexican from my mother and American from
my father. My father dedicates himself to

496
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:07.639
being a border police officer. He
has done so for many years and I

497
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.239
would like to tell you one of
those experiences he has had over those years.

498
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:20.960
You see there are certain things that
border police say and also people who

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00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:27.480
live near the border between Mexico and
the United States. In addition, it

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00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:37.400
must be said that on a daily
basis or for certain seasons migrants are trying

501
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:45.880
to spend, obviously some of them
inexperienced, young children families who, unfortunately,

502
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:51.079
die on the road. My father
says it' s not uncommon to

503
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:59.760
see crosses or photographs or belongings of
someone lying in the desert or what'

504
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:05.679
s worse even remains of what a
person or a human being would be,

505
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:15.400
both children, women, men and
also babies have been found. It is

506
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:22.599
inevitable and because of this is that
a legend is created. Or beyond a

507
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:28.760
legend, it is an event that
practically everyone in the border police force sold

508
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:36.159
by day and is next. My
father says that sometimes, when they go

509
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.880
in the truck or even in quadrimotos, they see in the distance what could

510
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:49.159
be said shadows, shadows of people
walking in the desert, either at night,

511
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:54.719
which is when it passes the most
or during the day. Even my

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00:55:54.800 --> 00:56:00.719
father says that when he sees these
shadows, obviously he and his peers or

513
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:07.440
any cop thinks they are migrants for
obvious reasons, they have to go after

514
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:13.960
them, the rules and their functions
have to be tasted. But something curious

515
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:22.000
happens, or rather disturbing, which
is that when they get to the place

516
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:29.039
where they are supposed to have seen
those migrants walking, no one is found

517
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:36.599
anymore. These migrants disappear and then, when they set out to look for

518
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:43.039
them, either around the area,
doing a survey in the area, they

519
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:51.159
realize that there are crosses or belongings
of some person near the place. These

520
00:56:51.199 --> 00:57:00.559
belongings are not new or have dropped
someone recently. They are belongings that take

521
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:06.400
a long time and even if they
do, because, as I said before,

522
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:14.840
sometimes human remains are found in the
sands, in the stones, people

523
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:19.679
who did not endure the road and
end up dying in the middle of it.

524
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.519
Not a few times has this happened
to my father to see in the

525
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:30.280
night the shadows of the souls of
the migrants who tried to cross that border.

526
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:37.920
Many of them did not arrive and, apparently, still in another life.

527
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:46.760
They still keep walking. Yet they
still persist in reaching their goal.

528
00:57:50.239 --> 00:58:04.000
Their souls simply do not rest.
Many transports have been used to take people

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00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:09.079
from one place to another. There' s a train and that' s

530
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:14.159
where this story happens. While this
family was carrying in itself, they met

531
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:27.320
a strange passenger, who made them
live a paranormal experience. His story is

532
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:39.800
as follows. My name is Henry. Sure. This experience I want to

533
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:46.119
share with you is not mine.
They told me about it a long time

534
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:55.840
ago, already coming from a migrant, although I knew him only a few

535
00:58:55.840 --> 00:59:02.679
weeks ago I managed to recognize that
every time he told me it was 100

536
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:09.639
% real his gaze changed, his
voice changed and even began to tremble.

537
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:17.400
I' ll start at the beginning. I am originally from Reinosa and,

538
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:22.079
as you know, migrants pass there
to cross over to the other side,

539
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:30.360
to the United States. Many of
them come from other countries, Guatemala,

540
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:37.840
Honduras, El Salvador, etc.
As I say to you many years ago.

541
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:45.840
I was a 13- year-
old preteen at the time. When

542
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:52.119
my mother, along with me,
meets a family of migrants, I'

543
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.000
m going to be honest with them. I don' t remember which country

544
00:59:57.239 --> 00:59:59.920
they came from, but their accent
makes me something familiar, the Guatemalan.

545
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:08.960
The fact is that we found them
and these migrants were hungry, had had

546
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:15.079
a few lousy days and were trying
to cross to the United States. My

547
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:20.519
mother, being a very busy lady
and especially, touching her heart a lot.

548
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:25.519
Seeing that they were bringing children,
she offered to feed them. He

549
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:30.280
gave food to both the couple and
the children, and then offered them his

550
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:37.320
yard to camp and to sleep for
a couple of hours. Our house wasn

551
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:43.400
' t too big, so they
fit better in the yard. This family

552
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:49.880
was there for about two weeks and
in those two weeks they told us everything

553
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:57.239
they had to go through from their
country to this one. There was a

554
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:01.599
story in particular that left me soft
fear and is that it is very strong

555
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:07.000
if you think about it well happens
when they were on their way here.

556
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:14.119
There is a train, a train
that in those years was in operation and

557
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:22.960
even now is still in operation.
The beast is nicknamed. This train transports

558
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:28.760
many migrants. In fact, there
are photos both on Facebook, YouTube,

559
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:36.400
Google where you can see this.
Many families, children, grandparents, men,

560
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:42.480
women travel aboard this train, crossing
much of Mexico, more specifically the

561
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:47.199
south and part of the center of
the country, because on this trip this

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01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:55.000
person tells me that he lived this
experience. Here comes a disturbing fact that

563
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:59.599
maybe most people don' t like
to hear, and that is that some

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01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:09.360
migrants, whole families or some young
older adults who can' t with the

565
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:15.559
trip, who go short, whether
it' s money food, stay on

566
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:22.960
the road and being migrants, because
they don' t have papers, they

567
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:30.960
just get lost. This happened even
aboard the beast. This man says it

568
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:37.159
was night when they were being transported
by this train. Some people were asleep,

569
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:45.159
others were awake and rightly so.
The breeze, the noise of the

570
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:50.679
train, the movement of the train
with the tracks. Some people can'

571
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:54.880
t sleep with that and even more
thinking about the problems they carry, this

572
01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:05.639
man thought his whole family was asleep. He was sitting there watching them with

573
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:08.760
the breeze of the air and the
moonlight, and in that he was struck

574
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:15.519
by a voice. This voice came
from behind him. It was a warm

575
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:22.599
voice, a low voice but very
friendly. When he turned this person,

576
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:30.440
he said that he saw a man, a man of some fifty and so

577
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:36.519
many years old, lying in the
cold iron. His body was very thin,

578
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:40.519
although he wore clothes and these clothes
covered almost his entire body. You

579
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:46.360
could see from how loose she was
and from her fingers, that this gentleman

580
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:52.880
was in a terrible condition. But
this person didn' t get weird.

581
01:03:53.639 --> 01:04:02.199
Many migrants travel in these conditions,
some worse. Even this person was smoking

582
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:10.800
and this man had spoken to him
precisely to give him a cigarette, one

583
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:15.199
of those cigarettes he had in his
hand. Being traveling in these conditions,

584
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:20.719
people become very supportive. They know
what the other one' s going through.

585
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:28.280
So this person, without much thought, gives him the cigarette the other

586
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:38.320
man turns on. Without getting up
very barely manages to hold his arm stretching

587
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:44.960
it and even shaking towards this person' s arm. Take the cigarette and

588
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:50.639
start smoking it. This migrant offers
him food, he wants to share with

589
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:57.119
him what a small cookie he had, he couldn' t give him much,

590
01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.719
just a couple of them, since
he also had to give food to

591
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:08.400
his family, but this gentleman declined
it. He didn' t want any

592
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:12.559
cookies, he didn' t want
any food. He just wanted the cigarette

593
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.519
between the talks. He told her
that the cigarette calmed her desire to eat.

594
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:26.199
He therefore preferred to smoke a cigarette
rather than eat something and could be

595
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:33.320
seen in its appearance. These two
men began to speak the other without getting

596
01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:41.719
up, while this migrant was sitting
still looking towards his family, towards the

597
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:46.480
tracks and as this train was passing
them. They talked about different things,

598
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:55.519
different subjects. They held this conversation
for about five minutes, a little bit

599
01:05:55.599 --> 01:06:00.840
more or a little less. When
that conversation comes to an end, it

600
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:04.199
' s not like they cut him
off. It just comes to an end.

601
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:12.239
Both remain silent, but for fractions
of seconds, as this person'

602
01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:17.159
s daughter rises and obviously, this
migrant pays attention to her. He asks

603
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:24.519
her if she can' t sleep
or has nightmares, but the girl doesn

604
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:27.880
' t have any of that.
In fact, her daughter tells her she

605
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:32.400
hasn' t been able to sleep
all night. Then his wife gets up

606
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:40.119
and tells him the same thing.
They were both lying down, but they

607
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:48.280
couldn' t sleep. They were
just lying down and both had risen because

608
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:55.719
they had heard this man speak.
His wife asked him who he was talking

609
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:59.880
to and he immediately explained what he
was talking to the person behind, who

610
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:06.840
was a good guy and had even
shared cigarettes. But her daughter joins the

611
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:14.480
conversation right now and she tells her
dad but you haven' t been talking

612
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:20.559
to anyone. I' ve been
watching you. I' m lying down,

613
01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:25.199
but I' m seeing you.
The daughter was thirteen years old at

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01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:30.880
the time she was lying down,
but she was lying down in the direction

615
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:33.800
of the father. The wife was
watching it. On the other hand,

616
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:39.880
she was lying in the opposite direction. Both had heard this father speak,

617
01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:47.199
but had not heard who had answered
him. The daughter says look, Dad

618
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:53.679
I saw you, I saw you
and I heard you, but only you

619
01:07:55.519 --> 01:08:01.239
there was no one else. That
man over there hasn' t moved and

620
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:05.480
he hasn' t uttered a single
word. I' m seeing you both.

621
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:15.599
This person, this migrant, begins
to argue with them two and the

622
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solution that he comes up with and
perhaps also logical, was simply to turn

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around and wake up the other migrant
to see, in fact, that he

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was talking to him. He was
asleep there. This person turns around,

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moves it a little, but it
doesn' t work. It begins to

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move harder and harder and stronger and
stronger and feels like this body. This

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man' s body is numb,
petrified, totally stiff. This person keeps

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moving it. He tries to wake
him up, but he realizes to spend

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the minutes, he realizes when he
starts touching his face, that cold petrified

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face. That person wasn' t
going to move. This person had died

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and had not recently been living for
a long time because of the conditions in

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which he was seen. Obviously,
this person, as every parent would do,

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as every husband would, took his
family, took his daughter, his

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children, his wife and walked more
wagons forward. They found a little slow

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and settled in. They left that
body, that body of some migrant who

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had died on that train. To
be honest, they say they couldn'

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t do anything. There was still
a long way to go and I wasn

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' t the only person who would
surely lose his life. That night.

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This person tells me that one.
Lord One, subject lost his life due

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to hunger or perhaps something like that. His appearance, as he describes it,

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was cadaveric and despite the passing of
the years, this person says that

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he will never forget that night when
he spoke to a dead man.