Sentimientos de las plantas|| Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

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He' s changed his perspective on
plants a little bit They looked so calm

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in his pot without bothering anyone,
and now, all of a sudden,

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I tell him they move and they
do a lot of things. Well,

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there would still be another thing left
to think about and what if one of

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these plants, besides, had feelings
stories of the dark side for strange beings,

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inexplicable events, stories that other minds
prefer ignorant very good night looks around.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, take
a good look, you' ve

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seen a piece of furniture, a
TV, most likely a radio, because

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it' s listening to us differently
how they would do it. You will

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also be seeing some other objects and
so on, also very likely you are

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seeing a plant, any kind of
plant, almost everywhere there is in your

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house, in the courtyard and outside
on the sidewalk. Even if it'

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s crawling herbs, that' s
where you walk. I' ll be

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back in sight and there they are, too. Look over there, this

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way you' ll find them.
Everywhere. There are colors, there are

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greens, there are darker, there
are giant trees and small herbs that barely

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grow hanging from the most incredible corners. Also, of course, there are

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those tiny plants that grow glued to
the walls, lichens. There are also

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moss and all sorts of things,
there is an incredible parity, perhaps only

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surpassed by insects. The variety of
plants is enormous and, in fact,

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much older than we think. You
heard. Whenever we hear the phrase the

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origin of life, we immediately imagine
some molecule becoming an insect or some primitive

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bug, coming out of the waters
and becoming for thousands of years until reaching

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a dinosaur or something similar. But
the true origin of life is not there.

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The origin of life is in plants. Yes, at some point,

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a series of chemical compounds came together
under some random condition, that is,

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without something exactly motivating it, without
a special flash. Just at a certain

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point a group of molecules began to
live, several chemical compounds came together here

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and there and resulted in the appearance
of the first very plant It has probably

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been a microscopic plant, a spore
or a very primitive algae, something very

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small, but there began life.
Why. Because the conditions of life strictly

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speaking refer to the existence of a
capacity to feed, a capacity to reproduce

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and a capacity to die. Something
that doesn' t reproduce or die or

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eat can' t be alive.
There' s the difference between life and

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death. Perhaps there are more parameters, but essentially that would be the difference

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and the plants gather all the necessary
elements. A virus, for example,

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does not gather it, but a
plant does, a plant lives, eats

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and reproduces and dies in the same
way. Of course, they have also

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been here for thousands of years and
have generated much of what we have.

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The presence of plants, algae,
all sorts of plant things has generated the

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air that we breathe you hole and
every day cleans it again Olympic so that

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we can follow it breathing one of
those very strange whims of nature. Day

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plants absorb certain compounds and others at
night, which means essentially that they give

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us life. They' ve been
here a long time, they give a

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lot. They' re our partners. But we' ve always thought of

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plants, trees, flowers. All
this, because they are there dots,

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serve to adorn and have no more. They' re living things. Because

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the biology professor said so, you' d think so. In reality,

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they seem to us to be rather
inanimate objects. They' re just there,

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but the reality is that they have
a very complex way of life,

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much more complex than we think,
although, of course, they don'

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t have a nervous system, a
brain, eyes, in short, they

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don' t have good senses.
That' s what you' d believe,

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but it' s not entirely accurate. No. Plants also have without

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certain different senses, perhaps if you
want them, to those of the human

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being. But, for example,
a plant has what is called tropisms and

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tactisms. A plant can move yes, yes, yes, yes. I

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don' t mean to move with
respect to the wind, but to twist

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to achieve a goal. You'
ll think about what the hell this announcer

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is talking about. You better talk
about your ghosts. Not a plant that

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is in a dark place, will
seek the light and drift to its leaves,

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its branches, its trunk to find
the light. Likewise, if it

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requires more water, it will seek
to bring its roots closer together. There

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the plants can move and orient,
not only will stay in one place.

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Therefore, they show us with this
very simple thing. Look put a plant

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away from your window and in no
time wither and die. But before it

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has made a move, it will
have turned to try to receive the greatest

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amount of solar rays. Plants do
it on a daily basis. Sunflowers rotate

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authentically, spinning in search of the
highest incidence of sun rays. Some other

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plants even have more movement, such
as carnivorous ones, the devouring plants that

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perceive the presence of an insect and
automatically close to devour it. You can

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' t imagine the plant in the
Adams movie or the TV series that devoured

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chicken legs. Not simply, if
an insect falls into one of the leaves

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of this plant, the plant slowly
closes and inside a series of digestive juices

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dissolve the insect until it is completely
eaten. He' s changed his perspective

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on plants a little bit They looked
so calm in his pot without bothering anyone,

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and now, all of a sudden, I tell him they move and

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they do a lot of things.
Well, there' s still another thing

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to think about and what if one
of these plants, plus, had feelings.

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This may seem logical to you,
a plant with feelings. If it

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' s too much to play music, not the plant. If you gain

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the ability to perceive your environment,
if you have the ability to feel the

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rays of the sun and to improve
well, they can be chemical effects.

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I agree. But there is already
a complexity of life. It is no

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longer just an inanimate object, it
is already moving, it already has some

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perception of the environment. For some
researchers for many years, this has meant

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that plants may have a sensitivity beyond, that is, that they perceive their

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environment even when they have no ears
or touch as such. If he perceives

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in his surroundings and in being able
to perceive, evidently, he also generates

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not only cold calculations, as it
could be up there and put yourself in

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the sun. It' s emotions, too. You think it' s

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amazing to look at. This is
a very classic thing. Nabuelite' s

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house is typical. It has fifty
different plants. All of them are spectacular

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green. Granny cleans them up.
Every morning he takes care of them,

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makes them, waters them and even
mime them, touches them, rips them

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out, the dried leaves, takes
them away, the snails, all those

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things that are done so that the
plants are well. Unfortunately, one day

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Granny dies. That' s how
it usually happens sometimes. Then all your

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huge pile of plants is left in
someone' s hands. Maybe he'

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ll also try to keep them clean
and clean. But you know something funny.

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Most of the time even when the
child, the granddaughter, continues to

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take care of the plants for a
period of time, they deteriorate to almost

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dry and if the person is not
careful enough, they simply will not recover

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and die. It could be without
the reality. It could very probably be

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that simply the new person who is
caring for them did not know how to

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care for them and nothing else spoiled
them is also possible, but we should

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not let go of the possibility that
plants have also experienced the loss of the

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person who cared for them, and
that would mean that they perceived that they

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had an emotion towards that person,
an emotion that, while they cannot express

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it by shaking and laughing, smiling
or making any gestures, they can manifest

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it through their basically state of health. That is to say, when Granny

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dies, the plants would fall into
a kind of prolonged sadness that would end

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up spoiling them. You don'
t think so. Ask, Ask,

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and anyone who has been in a
similar situation can tell you that. It

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' s enough to point out a
case. Several years ago there was this

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person in charge of a very small
shop, Mrs Luisa. Mrs Luisa had

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lived in her last 20 years alone, absolutely alone, being allergic to cats,

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dogs and all this. He had
no pets except his plants, from

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a large number of violets decorating his
stay to numerous geraniums and indifferent flowers on

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the outskirts of the house. ferns
in the hallways were a hundred different plants

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there and often this lady was careful
to go remove the dried petals, spray

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them with a shower to the use
of cartoons, but a shower and also,

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of course, in doing this she
used to be singing, humming and

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enjoying the moment was very pleasant to
her, as she always said to take

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care of her plants, tending them, loosening the earth. And there was

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no shortage of opportunity for someone to
give a new plant that they placed here

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or there and periodically put it in
different places until the plant, to say

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of it, felt good. It
might seem crazy or just a sense of

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loneliness translated into a manifestation of feelings
toward plants. That' s a very

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human thing. If we don'
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if there' s no other human
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Well it can be from pets,
plants, stuffed dolls. There the human

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being is very much given to discharge
the emotions. The fact is that this

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woman, whom I am talking about, spent much of the day at home

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tending her plants and well, assured
that new plants, upon arrival, required

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to stop special care until they felt
at ease. Otherwise, they died.

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Unfortunately, the one who died one
day was her. For a long time

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she had had a heart condition that
ended her life suddenly, having been in

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good health, working and caring on
her plants one day dawned with a strange

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pressure on her chest that led her
to death that same day at night she

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was attended during the following days good
wine, the sepelium, the rosaries and

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whatever you want period, during which
one of her nieces or something similar would

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have taken care of the plants and
take care of the house with the idea

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of later distributing the properties according to
her had indicated. The point is that,

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despite the efforts of this new owner, and also an adult and neighbor

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there, the plants began to literally
become depressed little by little. The violets

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were the first to resent him,
which immediately dried up after, the geraniums

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outside the house ceased to flower.
They simply ceased to flower and became dry

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sticks the ferns that had also been
a cause of great admiration for the large

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amount of foliage, began to yellow
and to lose the leaves of the banks

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in a clear allusion to which they
were still being spoiled, and when there

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was a constant observance of this new
owner to keep them watered and to be

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caring for them well, that ended
when half of the plants dried up and

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the others ended up giving them to
different people until they finished all the goods

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and closed the house and so on. You might think it was a maintenance

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mistake, that is, that the
new person who was caring for the plants

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did not know how to water them
or got them too much. They were

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loosened by something wrong, except that
the niece also had a gigantic collection of

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plants. It was a kind of
taste that several of the women in this

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family had very peculiar for sharing plants
even gave each other away from plant feet,

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armlets, shoots, whatever it was. They knew what they were doing

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and, out of respect for the
aunt, the affection they had felt for

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her. They had been very careful
with their plants. They had still dried

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up. Why good. When they
talked about this, they simply told me

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why they felt the loss. I
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One does not have a brain as
such, does not have a nervous

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system that translates the outer sensations into
a central organ. Therefore, they cannot

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have good feelings. And what if
they had feelings. If the plants really

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could feel, I don' t
mean that they felt in love with each

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other. They wouldn' t definitely
have that kind of feeling. But if

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there were a feeling of fear,
of solidarity, of frustration, of loneliness,

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that would be a truly strong finding. Not so much just because very

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well, if the plants feel anything, what a taste I know. If

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plants feel it means that then feelings
occur in something external to the body.

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See the importance of the terrain,
of the paranormal and of the parapsychological,

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of this finding of being able to
be verified. If plants that don'

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t have a brain, a central
nervous system, etcetera, etcetera, manage

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to develop emotions, it means that
they are developing them externally to their body

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on the outside. If there is
no place to feel them inside a plant

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' s body and yet they experience
emotions. It' s just outside,

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there' s a soul and that
soul would even be in the plants.

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And it would be as much as
ratifying that we, human beings, would

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have it too. A spirit as
such that encourages not only motorized beings as

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we are living beings, that is, animals, human beings and so on,

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but would also be encouraging static sedentary
creatures, such as plants. There

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lies the importance of this topic and
not just as a curiosity. There'

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s a nice thing out there that
we found somewhere. Not for years has

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that been a starting point for some
researchers in the field, of the parapsychological

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to be able to demonstrate that they
plant them are afraid, emotions, joy,

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joy, nervousness stress. Then I
would have stayed above a lot of

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questions. Of course, between feelings, emotions and others they are handled in

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the soul and this is spirit.
Soul essence, recording to almost with what

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matters. It is not, it
is not something transcendent, for, but

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we would have this presence and this
external body and then we could investigate with

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greater confidence after ensuring that, apart
from body bone flesh blood, we are

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also spirit. And there, if
we were able to do it in plants,

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you would simply be shown what you
think of this issue of the emotions

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and the life of plants as such. It' s something that comes from

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many years ago. In fact,
in nineteen hundred and fifteen there was an

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event that meant something very unusual.
You' ll see in America. In

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the reception room, he was invited
to Dr J. P. Bosce.

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This subject turned out to be a
professor at Presidency College in Calcutta, professor

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of physics and good in front of
the British Secretary of State of the United

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States, and an important group of
people carried out a series of experiments,

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basically with the idea of demonstrating that
plants had emotions, just like human beings,

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The experiments that this subject carried out
in front of the American officials in

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that year of nineteen hundred and fifteen
provoked numerous controversies and were even grounds for

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discussion in rooms all over the planet
and within the universities. There were also

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great discussions. What Dr Boscí basically
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Calcutta in India, was essentially connecting
a device to the plants. It was

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kind of a reader with a needle, a device for his time very complicated

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and referenced as a mystery really,
but it was actually kind of a gauge

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of amperage and things like that,
but very sensitive. What he did was

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basically sting, yeah, chop the
plants with a little hole. At that

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point the principle that should have happened
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the device immediately marked an anomalous response. He did several experiments with his

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collaborators and even with one of the
clerk' s assistants sat them down,

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placed these tiny copper sensors in different
parts of the arms and head and applied

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them from a caress, a pat
on the back to a needle puncture in

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the cards. Well, what was
going on with the meter that varied a

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lot, obviously depending on the intensity
of what was being done. Bosse spent

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about an hour doing this experiment with
the subjects who were there. Thus,

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for example, it caused a reaction
in someone to blow his arm, a

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normal reaction. Suddenly, he would
hit his arm, some kind of slap

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on his arm, and there was
a completely different answer. However, if,

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for example, the person was simply
seated, his reaction was flat.

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There was no special movement, but
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to puncture the other. The needle
on the indicator of this device jumped immediately.

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Very well he had shown in principle
how to operate his apparatus. Now

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what happened to the plants. Well, he put the gadgets back around the

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trunk of these plants that he had
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on the plants, that is,
he touched the leaves gently. He blew

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his mouth to the point where he
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but it wasn' t just a
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you could say," Well,
he took a look at the plant,

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he moved the device, he didn' t break the leaf to the plant,

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and then the indicator needle of that
device starts to bounce, but he

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keeps breeching in oscillating periods for a
good while. The demonstration also included an

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event in which he literally murdered a
plant. How can you kill a plant,

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ask yourself. Well simple injected him
with Potassium cyanide, one of the

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most violent toxics there are then.
The plant began to die. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, that
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once it enters the chlorophyll, in
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the plant if it intoxicates and dies
irremediably in a process that can take

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several hours or pathways, even depending
on the plant concerned. But in Bose

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' s experiment, this small plant
he used began to rapidly deteriorate the pulses

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inside that device. The movements of
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oscillated violently at the beginning, that
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the cyanide, the cilioscope injects it, that one begins to have a febrile

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activity, big peaks, but then, as the minutes pass and even a

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couple of hours later in motion it
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death of the plant. When finally
bosee breaks one of the leaves and there

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is no answer. It burns a
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no answer there. At the same
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in the same conditions, it repeats
the same damage, punctures it to the

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burning and breaks the leaf and in
all cases had answers of course, the

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matter this did not end there.
For the following months, Dr. Bossé

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would make a series of presentations throughout
the United States and return later, in

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the years of nineteen to England and
France to present his results as well.

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The matter would end there without pity
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your experiments were very striking, there
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Nobody really cared if the plants had
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simple curiosity, as one more circus, as a spectacle of more than so

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many others that appeared in the public
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would give rise to years later looking
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Gaya theory, the theory of global
consciousness, also appeared, which maintains that

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there is only one consciousness for all
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be living beings and also, consequently, would affect this global consciousness, so

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that if right now a plant is
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cone of the American continent near Patagonia, it would affect that general soul,

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that global consciousness, causing a certain, a certain degree of sadness or loss,

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which would explain, to a large
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theory, that society as such would
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times, when deforestation has increased,
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many plants would be affecting all living
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course, from this many of these
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of loudspeaker and so many others that, although there was definitely no conclusion beyond

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these experiments, there was neither a
100 percent response nor a sequential investigation of

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the matter that gave as something of
some interest, but rather as an intrigue

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behind all of this. Professor Vose' s device was really a fool,

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but a show of illusionism, or
there really was something there. The question

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would go on for many years and, indeed, if today there is no

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sharp answer, but there are several
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have tended to show that our companions, that is, these green things,

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that are around us everywhere, would
really have a conscience and, consequently,

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emotions, feelings and, well,
many answers that definitely resemble those of living

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beings. But if Dr Boset'
s experiments were flashy, they weren'

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t essentially the first either. Don' t forget that people have been restless

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for some time now. Even like
Aristotle, the famous Greek philosopher, he

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also considered it possible that plants had
a spirit, a spirit or a soul

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or something that kept them alive.
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loved managed that living beings, including
plants, of course, have this spirit.

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It is a mimist theory, if
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been something that people have had in
mind for many centuries. But perhaps the

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most critical point will be reached in
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In that year, a guy named
Clip Baxter would perform a series of

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experiments to start this subject. He
had worked as a specialist in polygraphs,

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in lie detectors for the American CIA
and also for other American government agencies.

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He was a technician in the handling
of these equipments, technology s ns,

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electronics and specialist, so to speak, in the handling of the polygraph itself

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the apparatus. This is what it
does to measure the electrical impulses in the

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human body and it records it on
a leaf where it paints a rayite.

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This scratch is altered if you move, if you sneeze or something can produce

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a certain effect, but basically what
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Thus, an answer, for example, where a person lies presents a characteristic

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curve and if he is telling the
truth, he presents another characteristic curve.

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The subject, in addition to having
a lot of knowledge in the area of

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handling these devices. By one thousand
nine hundred and sixty- six, he

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was also working there as a specialist
in CIA interrogations and even became chairman of

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the Research and Search Committee of the
Academy for Scientific Interrogation, a very complicated

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body within the United States, but
where experts in truth research, in the

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follow- up of information and interrogations
are grouped. He was a pretty knowledgeable

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person on the subject, but maybe
Baxter, driven by Dr. Bose in

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nine hundred and fifteen and that of
many other researchers, was given the task

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of placing electrodes in plants. Knowing
the sensitivity of the devices he was handling,

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he presumed that good if in humans
and all animals, because in fact,

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the polygraph has been tested with animals
and everything could be tested with plants.

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And the fact itself proceeded was very
controversial. What I was backing up

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was connecting two electros to the plants
to find out if they had emotions.

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The experiments this guy did were with
all sorts of things, from lettuce,

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onions, oranges, bananas, a
wheat plant, but perhaps the most famous

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of all he did, of all
the experiments he did was basically with one

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of his plants inside the house.
What this guy did was essentially provoke emotions

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in plants. Yeah, it was
a pretty simple experiment. First, along

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with all his equipment, he already
connected the appliances and so on and thought

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good is a plant called garden trarasena. His idea was to cause him pain.

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If the plant can feel pain,
it will reflect it on the electrode

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how to do it. Well,
he proceeded to hurt the plant. The

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plant immediately recorded an anomalous pain curve
then wanted to know more and then said

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good. We have already seen that, physically, if the plant is injured,

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present a curve of pain, but
you may know something else. Plants

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can feel something else. If you
hurt them, obviously the flow of the

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color row can be altered and this
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It' s simple, it'
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something else. I mean, if
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or you prick it or something.
It is evident that it is altered,

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that a continuity is broken is a
physical response. It' s like you

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' re covering up a good pipe, putting up the pressure, but if

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the plant could feel mistrust, wow. That was a crazy idea. Without

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touching the plant. If it could
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him, then it would be presenting
an external perception that has nothing to do

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with the physical. You understand,
that is, if this guy managed to

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make the plant feel afraid to see
it, it would be completely ridiculous,

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because the plant has no eyes.
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field of the parapsychological, because this
guy does the test. Yeah, start,

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for example, with thinking he'
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If the plant can perceive it,
then it means that there is this

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whole question of the parapsychological. But
in itself the subject takes a lighter and

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approaches it to the plant to burn
it, and the plant presents a non

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- bad curve, a curve that
he identified as the curve of fear.

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I had already done several tests on
some plants I had broken them, others

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I had burned and presented a characteristic
curve of response. But in this case

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Baxter does not burn the plant,
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to burn it and the plant presents
an anomalous curve, a curve of pain,

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a curve of fear. The plant
was afraid of what was going to

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happen to it. Baxter' s
experiment showed something, something incredible. The

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plant has no eyes, so I
couldn' t see what was going to

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happen. He doesn' t have
a brain, so he can' t

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think. He doesn' t have
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Therefore, he could not feel and, however, presented the characteristic curve

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of something that he had qualified as
fear. During several experiments carried out throughout

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that year of one thousand nine hundred
and sixty- six, Backster did tests

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such as turning the lighter on to
bring it closer, as if it were

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going to burn it or simply turn
on the lighter and then approach and close

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it off. The plant reacted differently. When the lighter approached it was afraid,

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that was obvious, but then it
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it was quiet, calm, knowing
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In other cases, well, he
did very strange things, such as,

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for example, this man thought of
burning her was his intention and only proof.

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He came up to the plant and
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The plant presented the curve of fear. However, at another time he

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lit the lighter and his thought was
I will not burn you or do anything

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to you. The plant did not
present that did not present the anomaly,

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as if it knew that, indeed
they would not do anything to it.

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Baxter was not a biologist, he
was not a specialist in botany, much

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less, but he was able to
perform a good amount of tests and curiously,

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all concluded that plants had a perception
of the environment, and not only

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of the environment in the sense of
cold heat, but also of the intentions

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that surrounded him, essentially a complex
behavior. Basically that' s what they

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were presenting a very complex response to
the surrounding environment. There were other tests

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there too very crazy, for example, a given moment the researcher cuts his

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finger. We are not very sure
whether accidentally or on purpose, but curiously

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plants react to wave pain with a
very peculiar curve. Another time, Baxter

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realizes that while he empties a nicazuela
of boiling water into the pipe to clean

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that. Plants react, but also
react with a curve to which he classified

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as the curve of sadness or compassion. He even came to one more experiment

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while outside in the garden, the
gardener was spraying the ants with poison.

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The plants, those that had the
draperies inside their greenhouse connected to the polygraph

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electrodes, began to present the characteristic
curve of the compassion curve, as if

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they were feeling sad that it killed
the ants. Baxter' s experiments went

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on and there was another so much
more, for example, when the trees

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outside the garden were being pruned were
ripping off the branches, the plants inside,

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the dracenas responded with the same curve
the characteristical wave of compassion, that

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is, that at some point the
plants were experiencing sadness for the damage they

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were inflicting on their other companions,
the other trees there, but they felt

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the same reflection of compassion. He
did, for example, the poisoned ants

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to the flies that fell dead,
to a mouse that was poisoned in the

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face of virtually all the misfortunes so
to speak or in the face of the

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pain of others, the plants presented
the curve of compassion, that is,

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that they felt sadness for those who
were suffering. That was way up there,

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but more evidence was still missing.
Baxter continued with another experiment. This

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experiment was carried out particularly against a
plant known as Philodendro. The question was

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whether plants could perceive a little more
about people' s intentions, in short,

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which could both serve as lie detectors. Maybe that was part of this

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man' s experiment in his particular
area of work, but the matter was

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a very crazy experiment. He sat
down with one person asking him about his

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birth year and started doing a little
pruebita in front of the plant. I

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was asking the interviewee which of the
seven years he was going to mention was

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born. So it begins and the
subject who is being interviewed deliberately responds in

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the wrong way, that is,
he was a year old or was born

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in the twenty- eighth year.
And yet, as I passed the twenty

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- eight, I said no that
it was not there was a very strange

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00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.639
answer in the plants. Yeah,
the two of them at the interviewee and

414
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:45.320
Baxter had made a secret deal before
the experiment that the interviewee would deliberately lie

415
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:50.519
about saying no to all the questions. In all cases, the plant,

416
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.639
in this case, the phylodendron,
along with two other plants of the same

417
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:58.280
species that it had together there in
that room, presented a very peculiar curve

418
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.519
in which the plant responded with a
discomfort, so to speak, with a

419
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:12.199
beak curve upwards when the guy lied
while the subject responded no. That'

420
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:16.360
s not my birthday on the right
numbers. The plant had no response,

421
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:22.480
but at the time, when it
detected that the interviewee was lying, it

422
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.119
had a characteristic upward curve, a
peak upwards. The rest of the answer

423
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.880
was very compromising. Baxter himself was
not sure what to do with the results,

424
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.679
because, on the one hand,
he had these green companions who perceived

425
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.559
fear, but who also perceived the
person' s intention, but also perceived

426
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:44.559
the people' s lie. It
was too much information, as if plants

427
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.519
could read the minds of human beings, except that in order to do that

428
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:52.360
in theory they should have a brain, because we were talking about telepathy.

429
00:36:52.360 --> 00:37:00.719
Then it was something completely out of
the question. Although there were also other

430
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.239
experiments, Baxter was not content with
what he was doing. His reputation had

431
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:07.880
already affected him enough. In fact, these experiments cost him his job as

432
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:13.639
a CIA interrogation specialist, because he
considered himself an unfit person to work in

433
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.840
an organization at that level of secrecy, since Baxter had become a public figure

434
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.800
and many of the top management of
the United States CIA, the Central Intelligence

435
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:28.840
Agency, did not share his taste
for exotic things like these experiments. And

436
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:35.920
finally he ended up looking for another
chamba, but at the same time investigating

437
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:42.159
more about the plant response. The
results, well, were very impressive,

438
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:50.000
very very impressive. Well, and
let me give you a moment that we

439
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.800
have a lot of calls from the
Jessi auditorium, which you have thrown out,

440
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:58.039
recommends the film The End of Times, which talks about plants making some

441
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.159
kind of red tide, but on
earth. It is an interesting movie and

442
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.719
at the end of time, certainly
and well basically touches on the theme in

443
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.719
which plants one day get fed up
with us and exterminate us. The proposal

444
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:15.480
is interesting and, in fact,
the director manages a little bit the idea

445
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.639
that plants perceive human beings beyond the
obvious, that is, in a world

446
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.079
of the parapsychological, a kind of
plant telepathy, something very complicated, but

447
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.519
that theory is still very fashionable,
even though it has not been recently demonstrated,

448
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:34.960
but that theory is very present.
Guadalupe Jiménez tells us that it'

449
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.079
s true that if she plays classical
music, they get pretty, but if

450
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:43.800
they get rock music, they get
upset good. This part of the music

451
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.039
is also part of a series of
experiments that were carried out in the eighties

452
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:52.039
and nineties, when the Baxter affair
was. From Baxter' s experiments,

453
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.880
there were several postulates there about why
this could happen. And within the tests

454
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.960
that were carried out in the United
States was the musical test that was called

455
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.239
where different types of music were subjected
to the plants, including the most strident

456
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:08.119
even when all the musics that were
put were on the same volume, that

457
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:14.360
is, that there was no rock
like that with volumes to burst loudspeakers and

458
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.519
a soft classical music, everything was
put to the same volume. It was

459
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:25.280
equally severe and acute. All very
well, But curiously, the sounds coming

460
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:31.079
from different types of music caused a
different growth in plants under controlled conditions,

461
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:37.119
in which the same species of plant, the same soil, the same type

462
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:44.039
of irrigation, the same lighting,
all very controlled. The growth effect was

463
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:50.280
different. The explanation was basically that
the frequencies that are handled for different types

464
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:55.280
of music can stimulate or, to
some extent, slow growth. But still

465
00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:00.920
that hypothesis of musical plants, of
the musical response of plants and was based

466
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:07.840
on physical effects, since different frequencies
produce different levels of vibration in objects that

467
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.000
are impacted by acoustic waves and,
consequently, this would directly affect their growth.

468
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.880
If the molecular wall of plants is
vibrating too much with too much intensity,

469
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.639
its growth may be different from those
where the molecular wall of plants is

470
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:30.000
vibrating with less intensity. He was
a physicist. Still the problem with Baxter

471
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.440
' s experiment is that it went
beyond the physical, it entered the realm

472
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.039
of the parapsychological. Mrs Blandina Bolaños
also called us. She already tells us

473
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:42.400
that her grandmother sowed any twig and
was given to her, telling her to

474
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.440
talk to her with affection so that
all her plants could be achieved were very

475
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:51.320
beautiful and achieved. And that'
s an interesting thing that happens very often

476
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.320
that there are people who have a
hand for plants and there are people who

477
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:59.639
don' t, that it depends
even when they sow the same in the

478
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:07.239
same soil and everything n maybe pr
of the emotion with which people work in

479
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.960
plants. There was also another experiment. You see, once Baxter falls into

480
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:15.360
this situation that well, plants are
doing weird things. He does an experiment

481
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.039
that has to do with the memory
of plants. Baxter had concluded, based

482
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:24.480
on his tests, that plants had
the possibility of feeling people' s emotions,

483
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:31.079
people' s intention to feel fear, and many other things. But

484
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:37.599
how much you could remember good at
this point, invent an experiment. His

485
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.679
experiment requires six students, six young
people blindfolded, taking five folded paper pieces

486
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:52.000
out of a hat. One orders
to destroy a plant. They' re

487
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.679
in a lab and there' s
only two floors. So the student who

488
00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.679
takes out the paper takes the paper
and without anyone else knowing, goes in

489
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:06.880
and destroys one of the two floors. He' s tearing it apart.

490
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:12.519
Then he comes back without telling anyone
that he was like that. The other

491
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:17.159
five students don' t really know
who destroyed the plant. Moments later,

492
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:24.000
they all go one by one into
that room, into that lab where the

493
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:30.239
destroyed plant and the surviving plant are. On five occasions, the plant has

494
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.880
no abnormal reaction, it does not
show any movement when the one that had

495
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:42.440
destroyed the other plant enters. Immediately
the polygraph records a completely abnormal movement,

496
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:50.639
which showed Baxter that the plant had
memory. That' s an important point

497
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:52.840
and good Hey, I have a
call to share with you. If you

498
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:58.800
' ll excuse me for a moment, let' s link it up,

499
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.960
see what we can talk about.
One moment, please, let' s

500
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.320
see if you can throw it and
it' s already a moment. Yeah,

501
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.360
very good night. Yeah, very
good night. Go ahead, welcome,

502
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.440
yes, look at this talk of
fren peace. I' m this

503
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:15.079
one now. He' s a
follower of the show, though I can

504
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.119
rarely communicate. It' s actually
the first, even though, well,

505
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:21.480
the program is already a few years
old. Yes, yes, I'

506
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:28.000
m telling the listeners here. It' s an experience now, so I

507
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:32.559
lived very closely on the subject now
being touched upon. Good. This about

508
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:38.599
two years ago I went to a
village that by choucla of Tapia, yes,

509
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:45.199
a little more inward. It actually
belongs to Cuetzala Puebla and is actually

510
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:51.639
a ranchery called the Puebla banana tree. Yeah, well, at the time

511
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:53.559
I went to my wife because,
well, there it was partying. The

512
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:58.840
feast of Saint Joseph is celebrated on
19 March. I mean, because it

513
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.079
was already coming into the spring and
what she was saying to me, we

514
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.000
went there for a walk in the
village and, indeed, now I witnessed

515
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:12.480
what I told you next. We
were walking there on a sidewalk and then

516
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:17.280
she remembered and began to tell me
that she had had a guy who had

517
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:22.119
died at that time, about two
years ago, her uncle, every afternoon

518
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:25.679
he sat well, rather, he
rocked because he had there is a hammock,

519
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.000
say, hung from the branches,
from a tree but big. Apparently,

520
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.079
I don' t know if it
was an oak, but it was

521
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:38.559
huge. Long well, this person, this lord dies, dies and the

522
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:43.880
tree, indeed, began to dry
from all its branches, its branches totally

523
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:49.159
dry and at that moment, as
I saw it like this, dry the

524
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:55.079
tree and in the surroundings, that
is, the other trees greening and those

525
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:59.039
that, in some way, do
not dry for that season, because the

526
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.639
same not well flowered and nothing to
see, not because that tree was totally

527
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.199
dry, the branches not very great, but now that without not a pizza,

528
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:13.719
not even a leaf, not totally
this withered. Then it is unusual

529
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:17.159
for its trees to dry clearly and
also, in the surroundings, as I

530
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:21.679
commented regreening, and the trees that
do not dry there for the season,

531
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:27.679
that is, were totally flowery,
even flowery. There was in the set

532
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.639
around him and totally dry the tree. So, yes, I missed that

533
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:37.519
and right now, before then he
wanted to take advantage of it is the

534
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.360
subject that you are now trying to
share, obviously, with all the people

535
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:46.039
that we heard of course the program, because yes, just like the tree,

536
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:52.679
he would seem to have felt the
loss of that person totally, totally,

537
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.679
because even my wife was commenting here, who is the person until he

538
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.960
was rocking in the hammock, because
now she was singing snorting, that is

539
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:07.199
to say, the Lord was asleep
and now it would seem that this presence

540
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:08.960
lives from that moment, from this
human being, the other being of some

541
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:12.800
living being that he was. It' s not the tree, because it

542
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.440
felt it and completely dried up and
notice what a strange experience it was.

543
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:21.280
Well, yes, I very much
appreciate the call of no, that it

544
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:25.000
is very well and equally measured this
program. Thank you very much and you

545
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.440
are welcome. Thank you, thank
you. See you later, how interesting

546
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.559
this experience of fren peace. One
would never imagine. I' d think

547
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:37.400
even the tree would mind if one
were hanging there. But look, this

548
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.000
is a very logical thing to do. When you are in a good mood,

549
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:49.159
calm, happy, you immediately make
yourself feel like this. Happy and

550
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.519
quiet is perceived. It is not
something that can be measured or experienced a

551
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:59.079
thousand times simply perceived. You feel
it when you come home and are happy,

552
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.320
and other people in your home,
your family, friends, children and

553
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:05.559
others feel it if you arrive with
the nerves of the extreme, all neurotic

554
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.440
by the work, the stress,
the thing you want. Everyone reacts that

555
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:15.639
way, the plants also the amazing
ones, which is a very large tree.

556
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.920
What has written us fren peace,
a strong tree and that, at

557
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.920
some point, well, there would
have already been a relationship there between the

558
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:28.800
tree and this person of years and
ends the tree. There' s something

559
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.840
that consumed him. Sadness. Yes, the proper term of what we were

560
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:37.320
talking about. The baxterm experiment itself, this one that I was mentioning to

561
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.639
you the memory experiment. The memory
experiment ended up more or less in a

562
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:45.400
situation similar to this described by the
plant. It became neurotic, it became

563
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:49.440
hysterical to see how the student who
had torn apart the next one came in,

564
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:57.519
which meant essentially that there was memory, just like that for Baxter,

565
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.800
at least to click Baxter, the
answer of then one plants are observing and

566
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:07.320
recording facts. There is memory,
there is reasoning or, at least,

567
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.840
an answer within an area that was
not believed to be in itself. Buxter

568
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:16.079
' s experiments went ahead and well, even though they were never conclusive,

569
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:22.000
they were an interesting starting point during
the seventies. Baxter' s experiments were

570
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:28.880
resumed by Professor Paniskin. Paniskin,
a member of different institutes within the Soviet

571
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:35.920
Union, carried out another branch of
experiments with what idea to know if plants

572
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:40.320
learn Yes? Yeah, to know
if plants learn what? He did well,

573
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.360
placed some kind of rock, iron
or iron stone next to the plant

574
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:51.559
and then it bit the plant and
applied an electric shock, that is,

575
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:59.360
torture while the piece of ferrite was
there. Immediately after finishing the touches,

576
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.800
the tribes against the plant removed the
ferrite and so for several days. Over

577
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:07.519
the course of a week, this
man did the same experiment. He arrived,

578
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:14.400
placed his ferrite stone and put a
touch on the plant. Then he

579
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:20.480
began to perform different tests. For
example, he arrived and placed an ordinary

580
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.719
stone next to the plant. The
plant had no answer. There was no

581
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:29.679
answer in the polygraph, in the
electrical apparatus, in the electric pulse meter,

582
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:34.840
the plant remained still. But he
even carried out other tests in which

583
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:38.480
he arrived and placed the ferrite stone
and the plant became hysterical or at least

584
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:43.559
recorded the device. I was recording
a very abnormal movement. Well, a

585
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:45.239
hysterical term isn' t correct,
it doesn' t apply to plants,

586
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:52.159
but it got nervous, so to
speak, it was altered by recording an

587
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.039
unusual movement within the polygraph. Even
if I didn' t touch him if

588
00:49:54.119 --> 00:50:00.239
I didn' t do anything to
him. The plant recorded fear, essentially

589
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:06.599
panic over what was in front of
it. It was a very strange feeling

590
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.199
because the plant was not being touched. There was no answer how he found

591
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:14.199
out that that was a ferrite stone
in a normal stone. The answers could

592
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:19.199
not be given. Apparently, they
would have a series of senses systems,

593
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:25.760
external sensory systems, but how to
explain it well would be the case of

594
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:31.239
global consciousness or the terispirit of plants. This part still, as I said,

595
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:37.239
has more to do with the scope
of the parapsychological. But the implications

596
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:44.159
of this experiment and these experiments of
being able to be carried out would be

597
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:49.039
quite impressive. There are many other
works around this, many of them,

598
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.440
even very impressive things, such as
a series of works that were known as

599
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:59.239
biocommunications, saw them communications, to
say from Peter Trappings, author of the

600
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:04.519
book The Secret Life of or Plants
is essentially that the way in which all

601
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.400
living beings, including, of course, plants, microbes, interrelate and perceive

602
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:15.199
each other. How that' s
the only detail. The answer isn'

603
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.039
t there yet. We can'
t know. And while Baxter' s

604
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.320
experiment may have had many anomalies and, in fact, there have been some

605
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.880
contradictions, that is also important to
mention. Baxter' s experiment has tried

606
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.159
to repeat itself on many occasions without
any success. So, as in several

607
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:37.679
attempts. Different institutes and research-
related people have tried to repeat them,

608
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:43.320
but without much success. There has
even been some evidence within very sophisticated research

609
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:49.800
institutes in Stanford and Yale, and
the results were handled as fraudulent, i

610
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:55.920
e that they labeled this subject Baxter
as fraudulent because they didn' t work

611
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.800
as he wanted. That' s
where the doubt lay. In fact,

612
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.599
the prestige of this subject was very
much questioned by the matter that a second

613
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:12.360
experiment had not been possible. It
had not been possible to prove that Baxter

614
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:16.639
' s experiment was real. That
would remain there as a mark. But

615
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:22.679
there were a lot of other experiments
that, while they didn' t get

616
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:27.280
all the answers, there were important
answers. One of them is in the

617
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.679
seventy- one. There, Dr
George Flowrence, of the Echola Institute in

618
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:37.920
San Bernardino, California, conducted a
series of tests, performing electrical stimuli in

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plants, but also within the field
of psychic, telepathic communication. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, telepathic communication.
Okay. Apparently, the experiments yielded strange

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results. It could not be categorized
as positive, but it was very strange,

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since plants responded in very unusual ways, with positive thoughts, with negative

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thoughts and things already more within the
terrain of the esoteric. But the results,

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at least in other words, were
not expected, but they were not

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negative either, that is, that
the plants perceived if you were having positive

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or negative thoughts. What you think
as I told you the thing is that

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well, Baxter claimed that his experiments
were real and perfectly controlled and verifiable.

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However, there was a good research
carried out by American society for the advancement

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of the sciences. This organism has
been the unquestionable skeptic of all time,

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and well he requested this institution to
ask six different researchers to try to repeat

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Baxter' s tests in the tests
of one thousand nine hundred sixty- six,

632
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but tried to repeat them in one
thousand nine hundred seventy- five.

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Five of the six researchers who participated
in the tests responded that the plants definitely

634
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did not respond emotionally to the attacks
and that they also had no telepathic communication

635
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and that there was no such evidence
as that claimed by Baxter. This generated

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the Baxter experiment to end in discredit
and this guy had to look for another

637
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job. Only in nineteen hundred and
eighty- two it happened that a thesis

638
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appeared in which this matter was broken
again and generated a huge controversy again,

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but this time on the basis of
scientific evidence. David Roades of the University

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00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:49.280
of Washington, specialist in Biology,
PhD, and all that a lot of

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academic degrees, presented a study in
which he showed that certain types of willow

642
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:02.519
had a joint response. This was
a very strange thing. What Roads had

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discovered was that, in a section
of willow forest, if one of the

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willows was attacked by a caterpillar,
by a particular type of caterpillar, the

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neighbors in a large radius around them
began to secrete a type of resin that

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prevented the caterpillar attack. Usually,
willows don' t secrete this substance.

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A healthy willow is not added to
that substance. This kind of resin toxic

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to caterpillars is not something they have
in a consuetudada way, that is,

649
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it is not something that is given. Naturally, the willow does not release

650
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this substance, but is being attacked. Interestingly, even though the willows around

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the infected tree did not have the
presence of the caterpillar, they began to

652
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segregate the substance in a clear subtraction
to communication between them. Now the experiment

653
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also included an analysis of how this
could be done. But what they did

654
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was good. Verify well a willow
falls a caterpillar and begins to sweep it,

655
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the substance is added. This substance
releases very finite particles in the air

656
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that are perceived by the other trees
and, evidently, respond by receiving this

657
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:29.559
information through the leaves, through the
breathing of the plants and others, well,

658
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:35.960
they respond by also segregating their substance. Except good got too fast.

659
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In fact, the process took place
only a few hours after the first caterpillars

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fell into one of the willows was
practically simultaneously. Indeed, there had not

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been time for the resin of the
infected tree to volatilize, remain in suspension

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in the air and be perceived by
the trees. It didn' t happen

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00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:05.400
in a matter of hours. The
problem with this is that the tree begins

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to work in reverse way during the
nights. Therefore, he could not have

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perceived the phenomenon. Of course the
theory of vegetable telepathy was not demonstrated there

666
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and it was simply presented as an
analysis of something curious, of something unusual.

667
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But of course many other analyses would
still be lacking. It is difficult

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00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:36.960
to point out that with a little
information one can determine something, but certainly

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what gives that doubt, what is
there. Plants really perceive what we want

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00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:47.800
our intentions. They feel nostalgia for
their owners, they feel afraid. Another

671
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:52.719
series of experiments were also carried out
in different degrees and by different people,

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including, for example, the impact
of the impact hypothesis. This was a

673
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:02.199
very crazy test in which one plant
was placed along with several more. Suddenly,

674
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someone came in, took a hammer
and crushed one of the plants.

675
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Then this person comes out and comes
back. Someone else takes the hammer and

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he' s gonna hit the plant. He reacts with fear. The plant

677
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has a completely anomalous response. When
you perceive that you will be beaten,

678
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and even when the subject does not
end up hitting you, the plant reacts

679
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:32.320
before it happens. After this,
the same guy comes back. Repeat the

680
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operation that you will hit the plant
with the hammer and the plant no longer

681
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has an answer. I mean,
the plant intuits that this guy, who

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just walked in with the hammer,
is not going to hurt him and he

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' s not responding. What do
they think they don' t do plants,

684
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or where they do. That'
s a key question. They don

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' t have brains, they don' t have heads, they don'

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t have a neurological center where there
can be thoughts, so to speak,

687
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then how they can handle this matter
of fear, trust, memory. That

688
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:12.679
question is key. It is key
to this and well, more calls from

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the Guadalupe Jiménez auditorium tell us that
at home her mom had roses, but

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well she browed white roses and all
the other roses were less white. And

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00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:25.679
he tells us that he also has
violets of colors, but that, curiously,

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00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:30.719
neither the white ones are given,
because something, something can be there,

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00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.079
something can be there. Perhaps the
plants perceive that white ones are not

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welcome. Or there' s even
an anti- patilla from the other plants

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00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:43.280
to the white plants. How to
know in this theory that there is now,

696
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:45.719
in this hypothesis that plants have emotions
and so on, everything would fit.

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00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:52.559
Irene Hernández Medina, greetings to Mr
MiguelÁngel Mesa who always listened to

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00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:53.800
the Man program. A hug over
there and thank you so much for listening

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to us. And she tells us
that when her mother- in- law

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passed away, she had a very
nice lemon tree, but when she died

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01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:06.320
she dried up. This happens so
often, and besides, for example,

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01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:10.039
the lemon tree, the orange trees, all of these are also incredibly sensitive.

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01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:15.039
Fernando Acosta comments that he is very
interesting and his grandmother, for example,

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01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:21.599
talked with plants. When we can
feel what plants feel, we'

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01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.320
ll be on the right track to
save them. I feel that if we

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01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:30.880
were more aware that plants have or
have feelings, emotions and so on and

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01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:36.000
that each plant that is destroyed in
some way affects in some way, we

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01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:40.599
would be more aware. Look,
it' s simple. If you visit

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01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:45.960
villages of the Sierra Norte where there
is a lot of vegetation, the atmosphere

710
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.880
is pleasant, the atmosphere is very
different than if you visit, for example,

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01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:52.519
a street in the center of Puebla, where trucks pass, there is

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01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:57.760
noise, there is noise, it
is very different the emotion that can be

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01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:05.159
felt in one place and another regarding
the issue of plants. The big question

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01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.719
here is how they perceive it.
And the delicate issue is up to this

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01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:13.960
point experiments, although they have not
been conclusive. We already have about a

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01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.400
hundred years running tests. It has
not been possible to determine to 100%

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01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:23.920
that plants have definite reactions with respect
to humans or with regard to their environment

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01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:29.679
in general, but there have been
at least several experiments that have remained at

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01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:35.000
the level of we cannot explain it
although there is not yet a definitive answer,

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01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:38.760
if there is sowed a strong doubt
about this. It has not been

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01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:45.320
possible to categorically deny beyond any doubt
that plants perceive. And there' s

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01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:52.159
been such a lot of experiments in
recent years that, well, we just

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01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:53.320
can' t close our eyes and
say there' s no such thing.

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01:01:53.679 --> 01:02:00.360
Apparently, there is enough evidence for
the matter to be reconsidered and if the

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01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:02.880
higher circles of science come, where
definitive and maximum experiments are carried out.

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01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:09.960
A more formal investigation process has not
yet been undertaken. If there are several

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01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:15.159
papers, several publications that present results
that lead us to think about this possibility.

728
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:20.719
One of the articles published in the
New York Times by Mrs Torrety Retella,

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01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:27.320
belonging to Temple Blue College or in
Denver, Colorado, a research institute

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01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:34.840
and so on. This document presented
evidence as to the sensation of the musical

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01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:39.480
perception of plants. This is one
of the most recent tests where a group

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01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:45.920
of plants were placed with Bacha music, which is baroque music, very quiet,

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01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:51.239
very pleasant, very stimulating. They
were given cytrate music, which is

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01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:58.599
also incredibly reassuring. Nice soft environmental
music and plants grew much higher than plants

735
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:05.039
that were in a normal environment.
Speaking of much greater, it is that

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01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:10.039
the response in growth and plant quality
was about forty percent higher over a period

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01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:17.840
of several weeks. During that same
period of time, the plants next door,

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01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.760
that is, those that were not
subjected to soft and pleasant music,

739
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.719
but were in an empty environment where
there was no audio, presented a regular

740
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:30.400
growth, a common growth, even
though the quality of their leaves in the

741
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:36.679
green of them was not so prominent. However, the cornerstone of the experiment

742
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:40.840
was that, after six weeks of
testing with cytara bar music and all that,

743
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:50.960
the same plants were subjected to strident
acid rock music. They died.

744
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:58.320
All the plants in the batch that
was subjected to audio died, while the

745
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:01.559
plants that were in the sterile environment, in which there was no music,

746
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:06.239
in which there was no audio,
simply followed their normal growth, while the

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01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:12.840
others were spoiled all and in an
almost sequenced form, that is, all

748
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:20.119
at the same time. This was
surprising as simple as that, but what

749
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:24.760
would we conclude from it? Well, the problem with all this is if

750
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:29.480
plants perceive, feel, remember where
they do it, if they don'

751
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:34.360
t have a brain and have no
neurological composition to do it. The only

752
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:38.960
option is in an external body,
in an external organ, in something that

753
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:43.840
is not within them. What would
that be, perhaps, a spirit?

754
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:48.599
If plants have a spirit, then
we, imagine you, that' s

755
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:55.320
where all psychological research intervenes. If
the plant had a spirit, human beings,

756
01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:59.760
as a result, too, and
the rest of the animals as well.

757
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:05.440
The implications of these are extremely serious, enormous. It would mean that

758
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:12.079
we were killing thinking and spiritual beings
when we ate a leg of beef or

759
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:15.519
anything like that. They are very
serious implications, because also in the field

760
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:20.599
of physical, philosophical and other research, it would be as much as agree

761
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:26.159
that there is a general spirit,
that every living being has that spirit and

762
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:30.800
that, consequently, it should be
respected. But the strongest evidence would be

763
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:34.320
we, as human beings, which
is the part that would interest us,

764
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:42.920
we would count on a spiritual part. Definitely, that point may be the

765
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:46.280
great objection for researchers, because accepting
that this is true, that plants have

766
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:53.199
memory and sensitivity, then they would
have to explain what happens to human beings

767
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:57.960
and then it would have to be
accepted that if there is telepathy and telecommunication

768
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.599
between plants, there are three human
beings. It' s a very big

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01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:05.159
implication, or you didn' t
grow up. Thank you so much for

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01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:09.719
all your calls and for your company. Lerece a good weekend and the best

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01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:19.960
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