Muerte en la Isla de los cangrejos, Brasil || Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

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In the year two thousand nine,
a series of documents classified by the Brazilian

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air army were released. The documents
were several hundred, if not thousands of

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sheets, containing all kinds of testimonies, from testimonies of those involved in strange

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phenomena omni testimonies of doctors, policemen, soldiers, sailors. All that was

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very confusing. The file had been
released somewhat casually, although there was a

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whole dynamic of the Brazilian government to
release information. The fact is that these

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files belonged to a packet of data
that was virtually forgotten in a corner of

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a military warehouse. It was the
file on the prato project. In Spanish,

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prato means dish or dish and was
the file corresponding to one thousand nine

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hundred and seventy- seven and one
thousand nine hundred and seventy- eight,

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years in which Brazil was the scene
of a wave not only of sightings,

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but of OMNI contacts and abductions OMNI, of aggressions of the most varied types

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that you can imagine right now.
Over there, on the channel if you

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' re looking, we have the
case of Lead' s masks, an

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incident in which people died after apparently
making contact with aliens. And within that

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file of the Prato project, there
was a particular case that attracts attention,

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perhaps the case that was the trigger
or, at least the initial to mark

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the Brazilian UFO wave of nineteen hundred
and seventy- seven, and of that

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we are going to tell you tonight
stories of the dark side for strange beings

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unexplained events, diversity stories that other
minds prefer to ignore. Let me take

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you back in time and to a
different place. It' s a thousand

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nine hundred and seventy- seven.
We' re in the South American giant,

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in Brazil. Brazil is a huge
country for one thousand nine hundred and

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seventy- seven. It is a
country that, however, does not have

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much population and, on the other
hand, some of the urban centers are

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saturated, but there are areas in
which there are very few inhabitants and are

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very dispersed, perhaps because Brazil is
a very hot, very tropical and very

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humid country, especially in the areas
close to the Atlantic coast or the region

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of mouths of the Amazon, where
the temperatures, the vegetation, the environmental

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humidity are enormous. There, there' s the province of Maranos. It

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' s on the Atlantic coast.
The capital is San Luis. In this

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place we go a little to the
outskirts of a thousand nine hundred and seventy

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- seven. Do not lose sight
of it beyond the urban Taint. All

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there is is vegetation and more vegetation, some small villages or hamlets. Then

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come many small streams, rivers,
some islets and among all this they are

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not yet. Perhaps seventy kilometers from
the port of the capital of San Luis

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is the island of the Crabs.
It' s a peculiar place. It

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is a place where often fishermen and
people from the peripheral parts of the city

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go there to collect crabs. As
its name says, there is a huge

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variety of crabs and many animals,
but they will also bring firewood and wood

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for construction. Crab island has a
tremendous vegetation thickness. There are many varieties

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of trees, some of them are
quite woody, so often small boats travel

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to the island of crabs, cut
trees, foliate them or, remove the

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leaves and branches, climb them to
the boat and take them to San Luis

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to the outskirts of the perimeter,
where this is marketed very well, because

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it is wood to build housing,
to build stables. Wow. A group

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of these fishermen are picker carpenters.
It' s a local family. It

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is composed of apolinaire, who is
thirty- one years old from Aulerian bishop

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Alves, brother of the first,
who is about thirty- six years old,

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Firminio or Firmino who is a man
of about thirty- eight years old,

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and José Souza, José Sousa is
a young man, is barely twenty

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- two years old. They'
re people who know each other, they

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live in the same farmhouse, they
have time to work together. At least.

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Apolinario and Auleriano usually do this wooden
gathering trip with relative frequency. Firmino

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does not actually do this because,
although they are all relatives, Firmino has

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a kind of orchard with a small
farm, but on this occasion a regular

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collaborator of the other two has become
ill and need a fourth man. So

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firmno agrees to accompany them, help
them to cut off the bundle, take

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it up to the boat and bring
it back in exchange for himself to bring

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some pieces he needs for the construction
he is doing. Everything' s fine.

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On the twenty- seventh day of
April of a thousand nine hundred and

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seventy- seven are mounted in a
very peculiar boat. The boat is the

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Maria Rosa. Elegantly that' s
what they call it It' s a

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12- metre- long boat.
It' s not really exactly a big

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boat, it' s rather an
old boat, totally built in wood.

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It doesn' t have an engine
only depends on a single large sail that

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it has is a small sailboat from
somewhere they' ve managed it, but

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it' s difficult to handle it. It' s not an easy boat,

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it doesn' t have any electronics. He doesn' t have a

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radio, he doesn' t have
anything. It is simply a Nut house

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that has a sail, but it
is perfect for what they want to sail

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from the port from where they leave, from the area where they are to

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the island of the Crabs. It
takes them a while. It' s

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a long run along the Atlantic coast, then crawling into a kind of sea

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tongue that goes into the ground and
then there' s a trick to find

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the wood, the best wood.
We have to arrive at a certain time,

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around five o' clock in the
afternoon, with the high tide.

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They know that very well both Apolinario
and Auleriano, who are very related to

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this and know that while the tide
is very high, they can sail inland

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with everything and boat, which means
they don' t have to pull the

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wood to the shore. It'
s just that there' s a series

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of small channels. The fact is
that they arrive at a good time a

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little before the high tide, enter
when the tide is rising and reach deep

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into a sort of inner channel of
Crab Island. Not all people consider it

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wise to do that, because when
the tide goes down at around 7:

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30, maybe 8 p m,
the boat gets caught. There. As

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the tide goes down, he can' t get out anymore. He just

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sits at the bottom, in the
mud at the bottom, and they can

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' t leave that very night and
the Crab Island has a reputation for being

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haunted. Many people say that at
night you see these strange fireballs out there

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that are frightful. It' s
not an ancient belief. That had started

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some time ago, but it had
generated a lot of fear. But of

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course, a Bulerian, a pollinaire, a firminium, that does not seem

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reasonable and in exchange for not having
to walk four or five kilometers carrying each

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stick to the boat, they prefer
to follow that rough one. They get

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to you very well, they get
down, they walk towards the vegetation.

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There' s still very good daylight. They begin to cut, they begin

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to peel leaving only these long pollons, these struts that are the trunks of

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the trees that have been cut,
stacking them to the shore, so that

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the next day, with the first
tide or in the early morning with the

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first tide, they can accommodate them
calmly. The work extends for a long

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time until night falls. At nightfall
it is very difficult to be there and

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work there, especially when the night
begins. It' s a real hell.

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First, it' s so hot. Second, there are millions of

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mosquitoes. So there comes a time
when those men leave what they are doing.

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They ride in their boat that is
already sitting in the mud, is

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no longer sailing, is already fixed. Deep down. They put some kind

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of little cortinite in the entrance.
This boat is so rustic that it is

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essentially a large wooden boat with a
small deck and a kind of cabin.

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But it doesn' t have beds, it doesn' t have a kitchen,

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it doesn' t have anything.
It' s just a hole with

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a roof and a small window.
The other part is a square hole through

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which you enter and exit in there. They have a couple of hammocks,

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they have a flat where they put
some carpets to sleep some mats. It

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' s very simple, but putting
a curtain you can be and the mosquitoes

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don' t come in. Besides, they burn some herbs. The fact

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is, they' re having dinner. Opiparamente, they brought something to cook.

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They cook dinner there, they joke, they laugh, they know each

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other, they' re relatives,
they have time to deal with each other.

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Let' s joke and arrive at
a certain time they go to sleep,

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they' re going to rest for
a while. The idea is very

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simple. When the midnight tide comes
in, the boat starts to move and

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you hear how the water beats you
and shakes everything. They' ve done

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it many times. He doesn'
t lose sight of that they' ve

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done it many times, so it' s nothing new for them. They

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know that at some point at twelve
o' clock and one in the morning,

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that Nut Cáscara will begin to move, to shake, they will listen

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to the blows of the pulleys,
wake up and then come down, charge

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to wait for them to load everything
they can and leave, take out the

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boat and start sailing back. They' ll be at your house at six

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o' clock in the afternoon.
So you get to the point where you

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go to sleep. Watch this.
The space inside is not very wide and

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the cabin is towards the front of
the boat. It' s where a

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hole is where they can sleep very
well. Jose lies in a hammock,

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there on a side, lies down
Aullerian, in a sort of mat,

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on a carpet. There he lies
down further, a little behind where José

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lies apolinario and down ahead, towards
the bow, he lies firminio. You

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' ll think how important all this
is. Let me go later. The

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fact is, it must have been
eight or nine o' clock when they

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went to sleep. However, when
he wakes up the first of them,

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who is apolinary, apolinary, awakes
and realizes that there is daylight, that

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is, that they have fallen asleep. They didn' t wake up in

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time. The tide didn' t
wake them up. This is very rare,

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because the boat, when the tide
comes in, shakes everything and all

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the things they have hanging around sound, but that didn' t happen.

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When you' re thinking about what
you' re going to do, like

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this suddenly hears a sound. It' s a whining, it' s

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a regret. When the cortinita lifts
and all the light comes in, see

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that over there is Auleriano and he' s complaining something hurts to make him

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tell him what happened to you.
I don' t know. It hurts,

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it hurts, I feel bad.
It hurts I' ve got something

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I' ve got a lot of
pain. I don' t know what

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it is It hurts. But Auleriano
is on the bow of the ship.

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When in the night he had laid
down toward the stern, to the side

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where Joseph' s hammock was there
and now he is on the opposite side.

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The question is, what were you
doing there? I don' t

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know. I feel bad. This
man thinks good. I' m going

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to help him and I' m
going to prepare something for him to take

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and he starts to move and he' s going to look and he'

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s finding what signature he' s
now backwards, but he' s really

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weird. It' s lying in
the back. Hard work getting there when

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you' re going to see it
Firminio only makes a noise like complaining,

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but it doesn' t open its
eyes. He touches it and realizes that

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his firminium skin is being stuck in
his hand when he touches it to move

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it. Obviously in the tropical heat
and inside this booth they are in shorts,

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if they are, they do not
wear a shirt, they wear practically

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nothing, or they wear something very
light that when they touch it they realize

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that part of the skin has been
detached and does not react. He won

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' t open his eyes. If
this man breathes, he starts panicking.

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He' s not an apolinary rookie. She' s about thirty- one.

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He' s made this trip several
times. They' ve been too

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hard to survive at times in the
sea, in this nut shell they use

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as a boat. The fact is
that in panic he decides to go and

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shake Joseph to come and help him. But the moment he touches Joseph,

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who is still in the hammock,
when touching him, he has cold,

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totally cold skin. He' s
surprised, he tries to shake him,

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but he doesn' t move anything. He' s got one leg down

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the hammock. He' s trying
to put it up, but it'

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s so rigid he can' t
move it. In terms of Apollinar himself,

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he was stiff, completely stiff.
Check Auleriano and he realizes that he

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has terrible burns on his back,
on the shoulderplate and on the other horrible

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shoulderplate. But while he' s
checking it out, he' s also

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complaining to Uleriano that something' s
bothering him as well at right glutium level.

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He takes his shorts down a bit, which is the only thing he

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' s wearing, and he realizes
he' s got another horrible burn,

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but he' s eaten his meat. That' s how it' s

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open. To the point that he
decides not to raise his clothes again,

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because that is in living flesh,
it is open. It' s a

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terrible wound, just like the two
on his back. However, the clothes

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are not burned. When he'
s going to see the other guy who

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' s taken care of by firminium, he doesn' t move, but

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he has horrible injuries. You can
see that down here when you try to

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accommodate it a little bit because it
was in a very rare position. He

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realizes that the wounds are very serious
and he doesn' t react. Breathe,

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but don' t react. Apollinar
trembles because he has a dead man.

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There is no other justification. Jose
is dead and he' s a

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22- year- old, strong
athletic healthy boy. He was a thin

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skin subject, totally burned by the
sun football player, funny, nice and

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now he' s dead, completely
stiff in the hammock. Apollinar climbs to

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the deck, tries to deploy the
candle, bra or problem between which are

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pears or apples, The tide is
low and the boat stays golden. Again.

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It would take eight hours, eight
distressing hours in unbearable heat so that

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the tide would rise enough so that
mowing, helping with a rod, could

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push that famous Maria Rosa into deep
water. Then just deploy the candle,

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start ruddering start manipulating that. It' s usually three people who handled the

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Maria Rosa and now she' s
alone. It would take him a long

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time to reach his destination. When
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there is is a couple of people. There he has to run ten kilometers

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to get to the police and report
that something serious happened and that José is

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dead and that Auleriano is very wounded
and that, when they ask him,

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because what happened, that man stays
looking at them and can not say it.

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When the policeman with him tells him
what happened, what happened to them,

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why Joseph is dead and why everyone
else is injured, he can'

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t say it, he can'
t moan. He informs that and goes

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to the house where he informs relatives
it must be nine o' clock in

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the night they get in a car
and accompany him to the boat, where,

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in fact, it can be seen
that José is dead, that Auleriano

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is wrong, but Firminio is worse, so they decide that Aulería does not

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stay and accompany José' s body
in what they take to Firminio to the

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hospital that when he arrives he is
in a coma. When he is admitted

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to a hospital that has been taken
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doctors simply don' t know what
to do. When you ask what happened,

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moan, you can' t say
it. He doesn' t know

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what to say. The other one' s in a coma, he doesn

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' t react. It' s
totally catatonic. There' s no pupil

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reflex. Burns are very severe.
That question set the ship on fire I

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don' t know. What happened
to them. I don' t know.

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That man enters a tremendous despair because
he cannot say what happened. Finally,

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the police arrive at the boat around
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How he has known is that when
they arrive, yes, Joseph is

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indeed dead. There' s no
loss, there' s tremendous rigor mortis,

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which means it takes many hours to
die. Auleriano is taken to the

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hospital where he is treated, but
the injuries are quite serious. What is

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recorded in the different medical parts attracts
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First, because it was done in
n that the burns do not seem to

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be the product of a normal fire
and do not seem to be because simply

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the clothes are not burned, but
the police also search the ship from point

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to point and find no sign of
fire. No burns, no flamable liquid

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inside the ship. So it doesn' t make sense. José' s

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body is taken to the legal medical
institute. Unfortunately, over time, the

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heat the corpse had begun to suffer
a galloping decomposition. So the legist doctor,

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who checks the body, can only
certify that there are no external injuries.

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There are no wounds, such as
a bite, a stab wound,

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a knife, or even the bite
of a poisonous insect. There' s

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nothing to check that there' s
no bruising, there' s no punching.

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There' s nothing either. The
rigor mortis corresponds to the testimony of

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apolinar, since mowing discovers them at
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and the body already had cadaveric rigidity. The cadaveric stiffness, rigor mortis begins

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about three hours and can be extended
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in this case he reports that there
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a m. But that' s
not all. When the legist reviews it

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from point to point, he documents
that there is no obvious cause and makes

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a clarification that would, moreover,
be strange according to the part of the

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legal medical institute. The report mentions
that it was death from a stroke caused

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by high blood pressure as a result
of emotional shock. What did this emotional

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shock mean? He was scared to
death. That' s what he meant.

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Of course, when they ask Auleriano
that he was the one who was

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conscious, that he had strong wounds, but he was in good condition,

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the police arrive and they are taking
care of him. The doctor is curing

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him and asking Huleriano what happened.
And he' s about to answer because

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he' s conscious. I don' t know, he' s unconscious,

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he' s conscious, he'
s in a lot of pain with

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these weird wounds he has, but
he' s conscious and he' s

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about to tell you when he realizes
he can' t say it, he

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can' t say it because he
doesn' t know what happened. They

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ask him again, describe to us
how it was and he describes perfectly.

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From the moment they ride on the
Maria Rosa they sail to the island of

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the Crabs, joke talk, cut
wood, go up to dinner and describe

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exactly where everyone lay. But when
the time comes to ask him what happened,

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there is no answer. There isn' t, there can' t.

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He doesn' t know what happened
to him. It would be some

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time before Firminio could return to consciousness. Some days of being hospitalized, I

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' d lose mobility in one hand. His fingers were bent because of the

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injury he had on this part of
his arm. It affected his nerve well,

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left his hand unusable. In addition
to this, he had several scars

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more resulting from burns. When he
was conscious, he was asked what had

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happened and the answer was exactly the
same. I don' t know.

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Of course, the police don'
t usually joke about these things and try

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to find some clue, but they
can' t find it. They just

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can' t find him. There
is a central police expert who examines witnesses,

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who asks them specific questions aimed at
knowing whether they lie or not.

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He' s a man, he' s an expert who would do the

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interrogation and he' s taken to
the surprise that the three of them match

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perfectly. It' s not like
they agreed. They' re just narrating

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something that happened to them how they
got on the boat. Each person narrates

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and that is very interesting, because
when a crime is narrated and there are

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several people who saw it, each
one narrates in a different way. By

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logic, because everyone saw it from
their point of view and from their position.

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So, for example, one tells
how you get on the boat,

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how you untied it, the other
how you got on. But everyone counts

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what they did or how they were
doing it. They all count what they

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had for dinner, how they cooked
it, etcetera. But to the point

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where they are asked what happened.
None of them know. They wonder how

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you got where they found you,
he says, mowing you out front when

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you had slept in the back,
how it was that you went out there.

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Let' s not get one point
straight. It wasn' t easy

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for someone to shoot, because in
the middle of this kind of cabin,

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in this bucket, where they were
inside the boat. Even if the boat

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had moved with the tide and they
would have won the dream. Rolling from

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one point to another was not feasible. That easy, it wasn' t

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viable. There were obstacles on the
road, there were things on the road

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that did not allow this. And
yet none of the things were out of

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place. Only they spent some time
and well, they could not be considered

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to have killed Joseph, Of course
they did not begin to wonder what had

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happened. Of course, the authorities
are looking for an answer and that is

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how. Suddenly someone says well,
this has all the fame and appearance of

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being an atmospheric discharge, lightning,
lightning, a sparkle. Whatever you wanted

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to call him sounded good. The
boat has a small mast. It'

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s not too high, but it' s a mast. It could have

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served as a receiver for the discharge, but it wouldn' t have exploded.

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At the time of receiving an atmospheric
discharge, it would have broken,

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had no damage. Someone else said
well, they were in a body of

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water. Obviously, if the discharge
falls, it will be enhanced and it

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would have burned them. It should
be noted that Auleriano, when found,

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was in water. The part where
it was found was some kind of water

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lens, a leak because it was
an old boat and there it was in

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the water. Had it been as
they described, he would have died electrocuted

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immediately, but that was not the
end of this. A local college technician

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would say good. Something else could
have happened. The discharge hits the ground,

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bounces and gets into the cockpit and
burns them. However, José José

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Sousa, the 22- year-
old boy, was dead and had no

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injuries. People who receive an atmospheric
discharge usually have a point of entry and

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a point of exit. It serves
as a driver. So if there'

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s no proper contact, for example, if you don' t have your

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feet wet and you drop the discharge, it doesn' t drain, but

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it breaks calcine burning had logic,
but Joseph' s body had nothing.

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But the problem with the explanation of
the lightning only got bigger, because,

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first, if the lightning had hit
the boat, it would have caused some

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damage. Second, he would have
hit himself in the sand around and entered

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the boat, at least the cortinita
of the entrance would have burned and the

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clothes turned out that at least Firminio
was wearing a kind of shirt and the

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shirt was not burned. In the
case of Auleriano, he would have burned

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his short but he did not have
it burned, that is, if he

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had been hit by an atmospheric discharge
and somehow capriciously had reached where he was,

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he would have damaged his clothes.
But it wasn' t like that

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and worse still, moaning. Apollinar
the one who was aware of the one

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who reached the port would also have
suffered some kind of damage because he was

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immediately at Joseph' s side.
The dead had no logic, it would

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have been something extraordinarily capricious. The
top of that theory would be an airport

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report. A few kilometers from the
island of the Crabs, there is a

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fairly well- kept airport, a
functional airport that in nineteen hundred and seventy

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- seven supplied even the internationals in
the meteorological record of that place. On

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the night of April 27th, one
thousand nine hundred and seventy- seven,

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by dawn twenty- eight April,
they had a very minute record of the

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weather. There had been light Drizzle
around five o' clock in the afternoon,

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Light Drizzle around twelve o' clock
in the evening, point the rest

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of the weather in Calm. There
had been no record of thunderstorms of any

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kind. The theory of lightning was
there. A few days later he would

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reach an American researcher, Bob Prat. Pratt, an American ufologist of quite

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prestige, very aggressive, a kind
of as hard as he could see in

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topics of euphology, very convinced of
what he was doing, that he didn

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' t suck his finger. Just
like that. Pratt. What he did

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was come in and start asking,
and he realized, for example, that

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the legal school doctor didn' t
want to talk to him. He just

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didn' t want to talk to
him. It had gone very badly for

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almost having said that he had died
from an emotional shock. Then he went

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to interview other witnesses who were there, policemen who saw the body, who

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saw the injuries, who saw the
boat and began documenting all this and realized

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that he has no explanation. Doctors. The doctors who cared for the wounded

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also did not have an explanation.
The burns were very severe. In the

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case of firminium, the burns were
second degree in a large part of the

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body. When he interviewed the firminium
itself, the wounds were still very recent

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and very large burns were evident.
An injury that had affected his control of

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the hand. Apollinar, not mowing
was fine, except that he did not

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remember what had happened and the questions
came emotional shock Very well that man may

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have been wrong, he may have
invented an explanation, but the fact is

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that, by doing a time analysis, there were two or three things to

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point out. First, the ship
was fixed at the bottom, on the

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bed, in the mud of the
bed of that stream at eight and a

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half o' clock in the night, about the sea current grows and would

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have floated the ship around twelve o' clock in the night, but none

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of the survivors woke up or noticed
the boat' s movement or the tide

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rising, which means that what happened
to them had happened between about nine o

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' clock in the night and twelve
o' clock in the night in that

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period of time. They were unconscious. It corresponded perfectly also with the rigor

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mortis of the corpse of. Joseph
had died at that time about five or

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six hours later he found him moolish
and already has Cadaverica rigidity. Everything was

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embossed, but what the hell had
occurred in the reindeer weather contribution of the

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airport does not indicate anything. In
that period of time there was no significant

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event. So, it didn'
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the witnesses what had happened, everything
goes very well, except what really happened.

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All of the above and all of
the later are perfectly recorded in his

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memoirs. But what happened to them
physically when they checked the boat, Bob

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Pratt had to get even into a
stretch of weird water full of bugs.

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So I can check it out.
Personally, Pratt would climb onto the Maria

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Rosa, examine the site and,
indeed, even though it was a very

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simple wooden boat, it had no
apparent damage. It should be noted that

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Robert Pratt was around shortly after the
incident. So the ship was still recent,

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had not been altered in any way. Not satisfied with this. The

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researcher, this American, Robert Pratt, would seek the help of an expert,

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Dr Silvio Lago, therapist, psychologist, psychoanalyst, hypnotist, an expert

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in hypnosis therapy, the objective to
find out what had happened there. They

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were lying, they were hiding something, it had been murder and they were

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trying to hide it somehow self-
injuring. It would not be unusual to

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let me tell you that there are
many cases in which the perpetrator of a

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crime fakes wounds or self- injures
to simulate an incident of different characteristics.

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It could be the case that these
men, at some point, would have

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murdered Joseph in some way that the
legal doctor did not realize and had invented

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a story. Dr Silvio Lago would
start talking with each of them separately for

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a long time to take notes.
A good hypnotherapist takes notes. He doesn

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' t hypnotize someone like that because, yeah, he' s just getting

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to know the person, knowing how
to treat him, how to take him

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to that state of hypnosis. He' s working with all of them separately.

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Then, in a group, he
examines the testimonies. He looks at

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them carefully when they talk about how
they talk to each other to detect some

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kind of contradiction he doesn' t
find. But the worst part is the

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moment it starts with hypnosis. In
hypnosis they began to speak by giving certain

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guidelines. A good hypnotherapist knows whether
or not his patient is in a hypnotic

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trance asks a series of specific questions
that reveal the subconscious that you cannot lie,

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you cannot pretend. So it begins
with that and in deep hypnosis,

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each of them retells exactly the same
thing they have related. In conscience,

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as were the incidents, as was
that, as they cut the tree,

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what they were thinking at the time, that they were there, when they

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ate what they were thinking, some
joke out there that they told some joke,

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that they were made and then nothing. Totally blank. For his part,

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Firminio, the next thing he remembered, after lying down to sleep,

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was waking up in a police hospital. All I remembered was waking up and

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hearing the other Aullerian complain. As
for Firminio, Firminio, all he remembered

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was fire, but it was not
fire in the sense that there was a

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flare or a wood or something.
What Firminio remembered was an unidentified flying object

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in those regions read called the fires
and were used to seeing them, because

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in this area there had been many
incidents since the early seventy- seven where

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they had seen unidentified flying objects throughout
the region. It was the only thing

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he said at the time under hypnosis, but beyond that, he remembered nothing,

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just nothing. The problem with this
is that this situation was not an

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amnesia caused by a shock. Someone
who suffers an accident may suffer a shock

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that leaves him with an amnesia of
that incident. To protect it, people

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forget things to protect someone who has
been attacked, from an act of great

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violence. It may be consciously blocked
to not remember it, but in the

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subconscious it remains under hypnosis theratea.
He' s gonna remember, he'

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s gonna reveal it, he'
s gonna bring it in. The fact

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is that the therapist doesn' t
get that to happen when the third person

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to be interviewed happens the exact same
thing. There' s no way to

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break that barrier. None of them
have that as if they' ve been

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wiped out. When that ends and
everyone leaves for their home prat stays talking

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to the doctor, with Dr Silvio
Lago, and they are surprised what he

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says, because he tells him that
he had never had anything like this.

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He' d never met anything like
that, to say, from Dr Silvio

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00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.440
Lago. What would have happened there
was something that impacted them in such a

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way that it affected their permanent memory. A strong emotion produces amnesia, but

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what a strong emotion these people may
have suffered to completely forget when they remembered

442
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how they found their brother' s
corpse, that is, what a strong

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thing could have happened to them to
forget when he perfectly remembered the way his

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stiff dead brother was doing as he
tried to move him. That was a

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terrible emotion and that reminded her perfectly
of mowing, but she didn' t

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remember the rest. There was nothing, just as if they had completely erased

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00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:21.360
their memory. They hadn' t
been on any kind of drugs, let

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alone. In fact, during the
medical examinations, when they were admitted to

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the hospital in the case of firminium, the first thing that was checked was

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if he was not under the influence
of some narcotic or some drug, some

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fungus, something that would have intoxicated
him, obviously to rule it out.

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But it wasn' t like that. None of the three survivors dared to

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make sure he was. Of course, two or three things could be pointed

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out. With the passage of time
mowing that he was the only one who

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seemed to have no injury, he
deteriorated in his health. He completely lost

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the strength of one of his arms
without any explanation. He had not suffered

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an accident, he had not been
injured with anything. He totally lost the

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activity of one arm and he was
fine. He was the one who didn

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' t go out with any injuries, the one who had hurt his arm

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kept hurting him. He did not
regain mobility, but the burns healed completely.

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The scars practically disappeared, which,
by the way, is rare,

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and they moved on with their lives. Only Aulería would not return to the

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island many times more to continue with
her tree- cutting business. That'

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s what he does, the others
preferred never to go back there. Over

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the following years, the island would
gain fame for being a dangerous place.

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Why dangerous, Because in the eighties
and sixs a bear, nine years later

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an incredibly similar incident would occur another
wood- hunting vessel. People who were

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going there and looking for small logs
and things I saw would see the same

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experience with a couple of dead people
in identical conditions. It should be noted

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that that thousand nine hundred and seventy- seven would be so full of phenomena

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and strange things in the Brazilian territory
that that same year, the Air Force

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and, in general, the Brazilian
military authorities would start the famous prato project

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that he told him about at the
beginning of the program between October and December

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of nineteen hundred and seventy- seven. Such would be the frequency of incidents

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of this nature that this project of
investigation and collection of all kinds of testimonies

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and documents in this regard would begin
to this day. What happened there is

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not clear, but two or three
things must be pointed out. First,

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on the spot there was already a
bad reputation, the site to Crab Island.

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It' s not like it was
a closed place. No of course

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00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.760
people didn' t go there very
often to test them, that these quates

481
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had gone more than a hundred times. Not that they were afraid of the

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place, not that it was a
taboo place. There was simply a certain

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distrust because there had been rare phenomena, phenomena consisting of strange balls of light

484
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that came and went and were reported
even during the days prior to the incident

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of the Maria Rosa. But over
the following years, the number of incidents

486
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:29.000
in the area would also remain very, very active, contrary to what has

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been said that no one goes there
because of fear do not go. He

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' s still going today. Obviously, people are going to fish, they

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' re going to get back whatever' s made of wood, etcetera.

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But the site has several similar incidents
that coincide with an omnimassive wave of incidents

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that were, for example, that
of Corporal Valdés, the incident of the

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Billings Dam and others that occurred between
seventy- seven and seventy- eight in

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Brazil and in the territory of the
Amazon. This matter reached the point where

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00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:06.320
a name was given to this phenomenon, the Chupacupa. In this area,

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00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:12.360
the phenomenon of chupachupa was known to
all because there were several incidents of which

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we will talk to you later about
people who were attacked, so in principle

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00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:25.480
it could be biological, non-
earthly entities. Why do we say this,

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because the casuistic of an omni abduction
has the same patterns that occurred in

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the case of these men. A
waste of time a loss of memory,

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injuries, strange things that occur to
them unexplainable phenomena, like this marks the

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00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.760
wounds, all as if it were
part of a kind of macabre experienced.

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It is well known that in the
testimonies given by the abducted persons, for

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example, those recovered by John mac
in the United States, etc, what

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they described was not having a clear
memory of what was happening, but it

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depended a lot on what had taken
them. For example, when abduction was

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with people of Nordic appearance, it
used to be very benevolent. However,

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when it came to gray- involved
phenomena, these classic aliens, gray with

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00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:30.599
large eyes, the altercations used to
be much more violent and, in some

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cases, deadly. So for some
researchers and some believers of the mystery and

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00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:42.320
the OMNI phenomenon, the case of
the Crab Island in Brazil is nothing else,

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but an abduction, a close encounter
of the fifth type that went wrong,

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like many others that have occurred in
that region about one thousand nine hundred

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and seventy- nine hundred and ninety. The best opinion, of course,

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00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:05.480
is yours and now, if you
will allow me, what do you think

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00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:09.199
if we send some greetings that we
have, among others. Montse Carrillo.

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00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:15.159
Monse Carrillo greets her daughter, Ilie
Fernanda, a hug to Ilie. Joseph

517
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:21.079
Reyes goes there a very cordial greeting
Reinaldo Solis Pérez. He listens to us

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00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.519
at work while he' s there
working in Monterrey. A new lion for

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00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:30.480
our friend, Nutriologist Athena, Dr
Nutriologist and, by the way, a

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00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:34.760
well- known scientist, listens to
us while she' s in the lab.

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00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:39.159
So a hug for her and for
all her team and Sandra Máximo and

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00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:44.239
her daughter Jennifer, they are in
Toluca, in the State of Mexico.

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00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.800
Fernando Borini, from Ana Cristina aguilar
Ana. Cristina sends a big hug to

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00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:54.760
Fernando Borini. We extend it.
Also Christian Edgardo Coronel, he is in

525
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:59.920
his electronics workshop in Tucumán, Argentina, and from there he hears us towards

526
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.480
is that a very great greeting goes
there for Monica Clavel, who also accompanies

527
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.960
us. Raúl Gazley in Spain.
He accompanies us and we are very happy

528
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.199
to see him. He sent us
a very affectionate message. Thank you very

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00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:16.239
much, Raul. A hug to
Corri greets his mother Adelina, for Felipe

530
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:22.719
Camaño, who is in Chile,
greets his girlfriend, Carmen Lucía. Carmen

531
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.000
Lucía is in Colombia, but well
we send a hug to both of them.

532
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.440
César Valdés, greets his wife Olga
Macías, who is in Escobedo,

533
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:36.239
Nuevo León, in northern Mexico,
near the U S border. Enrique Rafael,

534
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:38.920
he listens to us at the Zarzas
bakery in the State of Mexico,

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00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:44.519
with his fellow bakers. A hug
to everyone, a big hug. Thank

536
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:49.239
you so much for making delicious breads
that, by the way, Mexico has

537
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:53.360
a huge bakery tradition. Liliana Tami, who is in Italy, a hug

538
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:59.400
to Italy, Carmen Rodriguez who is
in Chicago. Maria Valenzuela already listens to

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00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:02.599
us in Buenos Aires. Graciela Magnoni, she' s in La Plata in

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00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.480
Argentina. A hug to everyone.
Thank you so much for joining us.

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Here too we have César Montiel,
who greets his girlfriend Don Agarrido and the

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00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:14.039
Romero Hernández family, who listens to
us in Wuautla, in Cinco Puebla.

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00:46:15.000 --> 00:47:00.559
A hug to all very good night
and to rest in peace before the wall

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of the o or the U la
nana delan