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I actually said hello to everyone,
like it' s there. My name

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is Juan Jesús Vallejo, his journalist, writer and director of the Night of

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Mystery program on Caracol Radio. In
the year 1, 500 thirty- one,

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a Mexican indigenous Juan Diego, met
a woman on the hill of Tepeyac

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who told him that she was the
Virgin Mary. He had four encounters with

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him and in one of those encounters
there was a proof that everyone knew that

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what had happened there was true in
a tilma, in a cloth woven by

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the indigenous people, the figure of
the Virgin was impregnated and from there began

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the mysteries, the riddles and the
miracles, since that tilma had to have

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rotted maximum. Twenty years later,
however, this tilma continues to be venerated

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today in the Oxyric of the Virgin
of Guadalupe, there in Mexico. I

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do not know why the Virgin,
the Mother of God, appears to give

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us a message that is of faith
and hope, to remind us that as

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dark as it is all, there
is always a light that breaks that darkness,

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and not only Guadalupe, but,
for example, also in Lourdes,

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where Bernardez, her virus, a
girl performed a miracle in front of all

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those who were thanks to the intercession
of the Virgin, caused a water that

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is miraculous and that has cured hundreds
and thousands of pilgrims who have gone there.

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But if you want to know about
this and much more, do not

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miss the last night podcast of mystery
on Caracol Radio and the Virgin appeared fighting

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and mystery Juan Jesús Vallejo. On
the night of April 2nd of the year

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nineteen hundred and sixty- eight,
the Egyptian mechanic Farith Mohamed was working in

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a mechanical workshop in the Zeitm neighborhood
of Cairo, a popular neighborhood, a

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poor neighborhood of which is the second
largest city in Africa, with more than

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twenty million inhabitants. He was working
but practically with one hand alone, since

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the other hand had pinched a finger
days before and due to the conditions of

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hygiene tampaupérrimas, his finger was cangrenated. The next day he had to go

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to be amputated and while they were
working with that lonely hand, specifically,

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fixing a bus along with other companions, he looked up and saw in the

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small church across the street, in
the Church of Santa Maria, a woman

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who was walking through the dome of
the mechanical church went out into the street

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to scream, thinking that that was
a woman who wanted to take her life.

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The woman was dressed in a white
robe and radiated a very strange light

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before the cries of Farit Mohamed.
The priest who was present in the church,

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the father, came out, and
when he came to the street,

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he began to shout miracle miracle.
The virgin is with us. Within a

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few seconds, that figure vanished from
there and for three years followed these apparitions

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in Santa Maria de Zeitum, I
repeat, a very humble neighborhood of Cairo.

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The next day, Fari Mohamed went
to the doctor on April 3rd of

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a thousand nine hundred and sixty-
eight to see if his finger could be

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amputated. When the doctor removed the
gauze that covered the finger he had,

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he had a can grinado. Faced
with everyone' s surprise, the wound

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had healed. From that moment on, thousands of people went every night to

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this small street in the neighborhood of
Ceitm hoping to see the virgin. And

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it was, in particular, the
18th of April of the year nineteen hundred

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and sixty- eight that this news
became known worldwide. And it was that

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18th of April because a Wazir photographer
Rick, at three forty a m,

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was waiting there. It was all
morning, there were thousands of people.

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Nothing had happened at all and all
of a sudden Wazir Rick tells that the

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whole crowd began to perceive a smell
of roses. People were starting to swirl.

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Suddenly. They say that they began
to look like a kind of doves

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of light in the sky and before
the astonishment of thousands and thousands of people,

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the virgin reappeared. They say just
as she was a woman in a

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white robe, who radiated a light
different from any light we have ever seen

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and who, when she appeared just
for a couple of minutes, moved her

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hands as if she were blessing those
present. Wathierrick had an accident a year

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ago. On June 27th of a
thousand nine hundred and sixty- seven crashed

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with his car and his left arm
was completely and absolutely shattered. The doctor

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who operated on him, Sharif Bechara, told him I' m very sorry.

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We almost had to amputate you.
Your arm was able to save him,

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but your nerves are shattered and,
unfortunately, you' ve lost mobility

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on that left arm. The fact
is that a year later, that night

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of April 13, one thousand nine
hundred and sixty- eight, when Watzirrick,

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who was a professional photographer, set
the camera tripo, adjusted the target

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when he was seeing the Virgin and
shot. He says that, without realizing

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it, he moved his left arm
to take the bag in which he was

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carrying the camera. Wathirrick' s
arm was healed forever. Wazir Rig'

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s photograph of the apparition of St
Mary of Zitun of the Virgin appeared even

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in such prestigious media worldwide as that
of New York Times. From there it

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was madness in Egypt. Every night
they went to the neighborhood of Zeitún to

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stand in front of the Church of
Santa Maria Docenas and once more than 100,

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000 people came to the house.
Egyptian President Abdul abdel Nasser Abdulna was

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very angry about this problem of public
disorder and, moreover, because he was

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very socialist, he hated quite everything
that had to do with Christianity. Angry

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had the whole neighborhood of Zeitún cut
off light and some nights even from all

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of Cairo. However, that lady
in white, wrapped in a robe that

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radiated a light as we have never
seen before, continued to appear in the

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midst of the total and absolute darkness
of the Zeitm quarter and the miracles continued.

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For example, a woman healed of
cancer in her neck. A doctor

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who was diabetic lost his chronic illness. A book was written compiling everything that

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happened and all the miracles called like
for Heaven the light of heaven the church

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of St Mary of Zeitum in one
of the most humble neighborhoods of Cairo.

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I think I' ve been there
more than 20 times. Always good.

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You know something about an author'
s trip. Whenever I go to Cairo,

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I take the people who come with
me, I take them to Santa

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Maria de Zeitum. There are no
tourists, there are only faithful Copts.

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As I repeat state of infinity.
Sometimes there were very curious masses because the

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women put to the left, the
men to the right, the children,

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running on absolutely all sides and the
images of faith of love, peace and

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hope that I have had the luck
to contemplate in Santa Maria de Zeitún,

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I assure you that they are able
to make any human being overtake each other.

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I am not a Christian, I
am not a Catholic, and whenever

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I go to St Mary of Zeitún, I feel a peace as I have

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rarely felt in my life. When
I go with the people who accompany me,

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I have seen everything I remember once, sir I will not say the

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Mexican name. He lived, he
lives in America. He' s knee

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- deep, he' s been
praying. When we left the church,

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he gave me wine to get me
he gave me a hug and Juange told

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me he had not prayed for more
than fifteen years. When I' ve

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been here, I don' t
wonder why I got on my knee.

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He asked God for forgiveness, and
when I get to America, I'

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m going to find my mother to
give her a hug. I don'

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t know what' s behind the
Marian apparitions, but for me that figure

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of life is totally and absolutely ancestral. In the figure that collects the power

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of our mother' s love,
the power of the love of the earth,

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of the ancient cock, the giver
of life, very special places that

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are marked with a very special energy
that is difficult to describe and often more

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difficult to understand, but I assure
you that there exists what one feels in

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the Church of Saint Mary of Zitún, in one of the most humble neighborhoods

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of Cairo is something unique, something
that transports you and connects you with the

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energy of creation, of life that
only women possess, or the spirit of

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rooster on our earth, a magical
world that reminds us that life always there

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is a light, that we will
always have someone who will love us,

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that someone will always support us,
that love is the most powerful force that

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exists in the universe. My name
is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want

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to follow me on social networks,
on my twitter is Juan ge Vallejo,

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Juan j de Vallejo, on Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And

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this is another mystery night show.
And here what we do is mystery journalism.

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We put the facts on the table
and you decide what' s behind

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it and what' s not.
The story of the apparitions of Santa Maria

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de Feitm The Coptic Church sent a
research committee. He never found any fraud

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until the Catholic Church became interested,
so he spent those three years in Santa

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Maria Deizitum Os, I repeat,
one of the most special places that I

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have been lucky enough to step on
in my life. You know what I

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do. Author' s travel.
All the information is available on the website.

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After trips Juan Jesús Vallejo com I
repeat, after trips Juan Jesús Vallejo

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com this year, from September 22nd, to October 1st, to be in

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Egypt and, of course, again
I will go to Santa Maria de Zaitum

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What do you think of what happens
in these places where there is apparition in

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Marians and we start without cursing.
Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how you

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are on this opportunity. Juan ge
talking about a topic that I find impressive.

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Although I am not a Christian,
recognizing that the figure of the Virgin

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Mary seems fascinating to me. I
cannot help but relate her to goddesses of

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antiquity, such as Shtar of Babylon, Artemis and other female life- giving

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representations And in the case of the
Virgin Mary Juange, I feel that she

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is an intercessor between the great creator
and us, an affable figure, a

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maternal figure and that she has had
a number of documented apparitions, mainly in

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the last century, which are truly
fascinating. One e and that is precisely

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what today' s program of talking
about those apparitions that have marked in the

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last centuries, without the last two
centuries, good more, because we are

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going to talk about the ovirgen of
Guadeloupe than of the sixteenth century, indeed,

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of five centuries ago. We'
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of apparitions and we' re lucky
to have a super- expert journalist in

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this kind of story who' s
been investigating them and who' s been

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in places on the spot. That
journalist is Lourdes Gomez, and the interview

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we have with her starts like this. She was the mother of Jesus Christ

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and for many an ancestral figure who
seems to continually appear to us to remind

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us that we all have a mother, the great mother of mankind. Some

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think it is comparable, for example, to the rooster in Antiquity. That

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feminine divinity, which is always full
of goodness and who is able to give

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us and give us life. The
case that if we focus on Christianity and

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Catholicism, we will see a whole
series of Marian apparitions that have been a

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worldwide shock and that have marked places
of worship that centuries later, remain active

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to those who arrive faithful, thousands
and thousands of faithful every day to continue

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to worship the Virgin in their different
versions and in their different apparitions. But

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the person who has researched the Marian
phenomena a lot and that it was already

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necessary that he be night of mystery
in Caracol, that had never been,

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the Miss, Mrs Lourdes Gómez Lourdes, that there is how hello Juan Ge

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a pleasure to greet you enchanted to
be with you to discuss these fascinating topics.

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Well, my friend, I'
m going to ask you the question

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I ask to all the journalists who
for the first time enter mystery night on

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Caracol Radio. Who is the Lourd
of Gomez for the entire audience of Caracol

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Radio and Mystery Night. Thank you, Juange, because Lournes Gómez is a

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Spanish journalist and writer who lives in
Mexico, where she develops the journalism of

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mystery. For more than ten years
I have focused my journalistic degree on these

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topics that I like most, such
as religious riddles. I have published several

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books on these issues, such as
the church and its riddles, or also

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recently enigma in the sky There in
Colombia. I am especially trying to show

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that religious, paranormal, sufological themes
should not be separated, but that the

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same phenomenon with different interpretations would be
the same. And besides, I think

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that we are the only two journalists
of the mystery that we have left Spain

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and live in Latin America. Correct
me, if I' m wrong,

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you and I are fine that'
s how it makes me very happy this

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and being here with you Jorge emotional, dear Juan ge because I feel very

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close to You, because we have
both managed to make a hole in Latin

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America and that gives me great pleasure. As they say here in Mexico,

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he hears and various things. Another
day I have to interview you Johanna Andíaz,

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who is your husband, and You
for this book that you have released

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called Enigma in the sky and that
is available here throughout Latin America and that

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you can find it also by Amazon
and also you collaborate on the YouTube channel

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Unsolved experience and now you have also
gotten into another podcast topic, also there

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in Mexico, truth. That'
s right, I' ve created my

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mysteriously clear podcast video where I'
m talking about my research. I also

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invite all listeners to have a look
if they like these religious issues, because

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there I talk a lot and I
go a lot deeper on this topic.

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It was super recommended that podcast and
also that of Unusual experience and good the

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first Lourdes. Why your interest in
this type of religious themes and the varied

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appearances since childhood in our beloved Spain
Juan Ge. I was fascinated to go

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to Mass with my grandmothers and my
mother, especially the whole question that had

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to do with the mystery, the
religious legends, the moment of consecration And

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we were even amilla. And so
when I saw the priest make all his

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prayers, go up to ring the
bell, turn in the church, all

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that drew my attention infinitely and as
time passed I realized that these mysteries that

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we catalogue as religious are something more. They have to do with ufology,

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they have to do with the paranormal
and they are really a challenge to current

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science. For this reason, I
have dedicated myself to pursuing the history of

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relics, Marian apparitions, the souls
that are the ghosts of the church,

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or even the popular lights of these
omnis interpreted as something religious, because I

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really understand that the intelligence behind these
phenomena has had an impact and an importance

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on the spirituality of the human being
since the night of time. And that

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' s what you' re talking
about. I think it is key to

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understand the phenomenon because around these Marian
apparitions there are many times a lot of

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light phenomena, of strange lights.
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' ll talk about it later.
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I think it' s very heavy
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it with lords. But all this
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has made it related and I think
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Marian apparitions and I have to say
this and here we have no intention of

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offending any Christian or any Catholic.
They are simply facts that have been established.

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And what we are going to do
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and in this show with Lourde Gomes
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the Marian apparitions that we understand are
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you are in Mexico. Obviously,
we could not begin otherwise, but speaking

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of the apparition of the Virgin of
Guadalupe in the year 1, 500 thirty

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- one, when the Virgin appears
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times the Indian Juan Diego and those
apparitions. In addition, there is still

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a tilma that is what the indigenous
people wore in the 16th century There is

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a tilma where a picture of the
Virgin is clearly impregnated, one of the

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great mysteries of the church and of
the faith of the last centuries. How

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were your researches on the Virgin of
Guadalupe Lourdes Well, Juan Ge is a

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very important apparition, because it basically
changed the destiny of Mexico, provoked a

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massive evangelization from the sixteenth century and
what the Spaniards had not achieved in a

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long time. It is a mystery
that challenges the current science that we are

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going to go through, because there
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even though there is also a sector
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deny the veracity of this image or
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but there are unquestionable data and,
indeed, the story begins on December 12,

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1, 500 forty- one of
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forgiveness, which is the night in
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We know this from ancient documents,
especially the nican mopoua that is to

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say the document because, more quoted
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of Guadalupe and my history with the
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the southwest of Spain. Here the
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I have done many researches on this
Black Virgin, who only shares the name

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with the Mexican, even though she
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from Mexico called me to give lectures, even in the Basilica of Mexico,

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about our apparition from Extremadura. That' s how I got in touch.

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I have been lucky enough to experience
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in the Camarín de la Virgen de
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Juange the phenomenon that lives and I
saw a paranormal phenomenon that they have,

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because some people who are alone with
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although I am a journalist and I
face the mystery from journalism, I also

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like to be honest with the inexplicable
things that happen to me, because we,

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in the end we interviewed Juan people
who have experiences and I would not

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seem honest not to do the same
thing I was told and knew that there

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were people who when they were before
the original latilma, a few centimeters touching

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the glass that protects it, because
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there are transformations. What happened to
me is that when I was touching the

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glass, that is, a couple
of inches from the tilma, that virgin

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' s face was transformed. I
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know of the Virgin of Guadalupe,
but I saw the face of my mother

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and, on the contrary, being
the information with other people who had lived

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the same thing, they told me
about the fact that they saw their mother

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here on earth. It was not
a shocking moment for me that changed me

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in some way and that led me, therefore, to want to know all

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the mathematical and paranormal mysteries that has
statatima hears how beautiful that experience and I

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knew absolutely nothing of this story.
You investigate, you can see that there

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are people, because my mom is
lucky that I live. But I have

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met people who, because their mother
no longer lives and who, obviously,

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over the years, even if you
have photographs, can go away, let

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' s say blur the face of
these loved ones and who, suddenly,

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the impact of being alone in the
dressing room, of being in front of

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the tilma and of seeing their mother
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Old people, they' ve even
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an impact too much, because what
a beautiful story I didn' t know.

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Neither Alejandro nor I expected you to
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know this and I thank you.
We thank you for sharing that experience.

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He hears that story also so beautiful
that you would investigate the apparitions of the

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Virgin of Guadalupe in Spain, that
they would have nothing to do with those

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of Mexico. I didn' t
even know that fact that there were apparitions

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of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Spain
and that for this reason you go to

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Mexico also to give talks and give
you that opportunity to be in that dressing

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room and you have that experience in
which you can see your mother' s

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face in the image of the Virgin. How beautiful And perhaps as I commented

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at the beginning in the introduction,
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she is something more, not only
the Virgin, but that universal figure that

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is eternal, which is that of
the great savior of life. That universal

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divine feminine say, and that seems
wonderful to me. Hey, if you

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want, we' re starting to
get a little bit more into Our Lady

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' s stuff. What happens in
Mexico is valid and you tell us that

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it is the 12th of December of
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What happens to Juan Diego, how
Juan Diego is and what happens to

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him, which is the beginning of
this place of so important adoration, not

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in Mexico, but worldwide, which
is the Basilica of Guadalupe. There,

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in Mexico, close to that of
Fe, this is Juang Everything happens on

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the hill of Tepeyac and with that
ancestral sacred connection, in a place where

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ancient goddesses, such as Tonancin,
were worshiped, where there are remains of

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temples in this place. Well,
a native named Juan Diego, suddenly has

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the appearance of a lady. What
is told in the Necao Powa and even

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in the testimonies that were made for
the Guadalupana history one hundred and ten years

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after the apparition, where there were
still indigenous people who were still alive and

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who were contemporaries to Juan Diego and
declared is that the first appearance was Juan

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Diego for the hill of Tepeya,
and this female entity would have appeared to

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him to ask him to present himself
to Fray Juan de Zumárraga, who was,

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therefore, the current most important president
of the Church in Mexico and to

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build at that point, in that
hill a place of prayer. Juan Diego

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went with the message to Zumárraga,
but he refused, did not believe in

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what the indigenous was telling him.
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even though he can' t convince
religious authority because it demands objective proof

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that what he was saying was really
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before December 11. Instead of going
to Juan Diego' s appointment with the

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Virgin to confirm that everything was going
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t because his uncle, Juan Bernardino, was very sick and needed to find

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a priest, a confessor to give
him the extreme choice. Since Juan Diego

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knew that if he went through tepe
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He turned away, went down a
different path, but notice that the

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lady appears to him on the way
asking him for explanations and there comes a

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dialogue that appears in the Nicamo Powai, which is the most important for Guadalupans

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in the world, where he is
told that he should not be afflicted,

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that everything will be fine and that
he will protect him. He tells her

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that his uncle is not going to
die, but that he goes up,

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please, to the Tepeyac, where
he will find some flowers that he has

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to cut and take them to Fray
Juan de Zumárraga, that this is the

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proof that Zumárraga is asking him for
and as he asks him, Juan Diego

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goes up to the top of Tepeyac, And even though it is a time

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of December where in this place there
was no need to have florex cut some

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very flowery roses that were down there
to the house of Zumárraga And right at

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the moment where with his tilma,
which is a garment of clothes that the

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indigenous people use at this time to
gather different questions, different things that they

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had to carry in that climate,
in that layer, he leads to the

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flowers that he has cut and say
that at the time of spreading the tilma

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and falling flowers to the ground,
at that moment it is miraculously printed in

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the image that is currently venerated in
the basilica and that we all know as

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the Virgin of Guadalupe. This story
is shocking. I mean, she shows

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it up and correct me now.
If I am wrong, or comment,

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a first time on the hill of
Tepeyac tells him that he has to go

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to see Juan de Zumárraga. There
is going to be Juan de Zumárraga,

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who was the bishop, he does
not listen to him to set up a

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place of worship. He appears a
second time when he is back to go

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again to pick up some flowers,
some roses, specifically in Tepeyac. I

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understand that it is there and indeed, those are the apparitions of the Virgin

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of Guadalupe on Mount Tepeyac and that
leave us a tilma, an indigenous garment

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impregnated in a way that science has
not been able to know or understand until

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now, shaping the Marian apparition and
some of the most important miracles, not

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only of Mexico, but of all
Latin America. And we' re still

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here on mystery night. We were
interviewing Urde Gómez and reviewing the apparitions of

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the Virgin of Guadalupe on Mount Tepeyac, and the interview with lords continues like

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this and goes down again in depth. Zumarraga and well, this I have

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read many times as when it opens
the tilma to release the rose. As

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these rose petals fall, suddenly the
image of the Virgin of Guadalupe appears,

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which is the one that is adored
and seen by millions of people every year

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in the Basilica, which right now
I imagine that the opinion of Juan de

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Zumárraga changes totally and absolutely. Okay, and they either believed in Juan Diego

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or thought he was still a phony
at the time. What tradition says is

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that they become and that, in
fact, from that minute one constructs in

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the tepea a sacred house, the
first chapel, as such that had the

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Virgon of Guadalupe, and there the
tilma was venerated without any protection for more

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than a century and as Juan Diego
as the first custodian or being of that

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chapel. Here we have the first
mysterious and shocking fact Juan Ge and that

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is that the tilma, the find
of the layer that Juan Diego wore was

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made of fiber of maguey a fiber
from the plant of the agave that was

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tied by the shoulders and fell to
the ankles and that, as I said,

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was used to transport things. In
the case of Juan Diego' s

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tilma, experts fail to explain that
it is preserved because that agave vegetable fiber,

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Juan Ge enters putterefaction. After about
twenty years, we are talking that

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it is more than a century without
protection, being kissed, touched and even

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modified with brushes by the church,
and we are talking that in twenty years

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it should have been disintegrated and that
to date it is still there. It

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' s unquestionable. Juan Ge is
free. In addition, scientific studies are

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there and in twenty years it goes
into rot. That is why here too

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the question and with this ended the
people who say they hear why no new

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studies are done, why not open
the eye glass. There is a lot

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of fear in the Mexican Church that
it will remove that crystal and that everything

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will fade away because it should have
lasted twenty years and it has been for

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many centuries. Yeah, of course, it' s been almost five centuries.

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It' s not that it'
s crazy. That fact had been

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read long ago and indeed, that
fiber of mague and it had to have

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lasted twenty years. We' re
going to be optimistic that it will last

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forty- fold, but not five
centuries is a real madness. And then,

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moreover, with the fact that you
have given that the first century was

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weathered in that first chapel and the
people touched and kissed her, even the

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Church. I imagine that because of
the deterrill of the image he sent some

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artist to pay him some brushstrokes and
so on so that he could again say

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more force to those colors and that
figure of the Virgin. And this would

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be the first inexplicable fact. But
then also the impression the tilma has.

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He has traces of some kind of
brush or something he suspects that Juan Diego

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or someone who manipulated Juan Diego could
have painted the image or not. Or

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there' s been analysis of that
tip so we can say no. That

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is to say, it is not
clear how this was painted or drawn either,

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because notice that there are researchers,
there are scientific studies such as Callajan,

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for example, who have studied that
part of whether there are traces of

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paintbrush and have found that, obviously, there are modifications. There are things

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they tried to add, for example, a crown crown to the Virgin of

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Guadalupe when she will see later,
she was already crowned by the stars and

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they have tried to add colors to
the part of the mantle, although traces

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of painting have been found. There
are areas of the image where there is

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no painting or anything that can explain
the impression. And those parts where there

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' s no paint or hands and
face in particular, no paint. And

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what' s more shocking, when
you' ve analyzed those points of let

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' s say from the cloth by
pigmentation and the color looks like a rusty

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flower, like it' s flower
juice, that is, as if there

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really was a trace of the theme
of the flowers that Juan Diego had to

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cut. So there are traces of
brush, but they are not confined to

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the face or hands of the Virgin
that such interesting data is worth it to

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look like a kind of oxidation of
flower juice, which was able to create

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the image in an obvious miraculous way, which would have no other meaning.

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He told us that there was an
attempt to make some modification to this drawing,

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such as having a crown, but
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was crowned by star. How so. Lourdes, then, note Juange that,

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to begin with, Latilma is a
mathematical codex. There was a massive

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conversion, because there are certain elements
of the tielma that resonated with the indigenous

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and that were part of their tradition
of worship of the mother, such as

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Atonancy. We have, for example, one of the knees that are appreciated

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in the mantle, that are as
close as the other, as a little

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00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:38.159
raised, and this is a step
of Mexican indigenous dance in honor of the

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mother. That is, to begin
with, there is already a prayer and

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a prayer in the position even of
the Virgin' s knee. But now

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we have juange that if we measure
the length by the width, if we

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divide it, it will give us
as a result the number PI and we

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will have that the Virgin of Guadalupe
has golden proportion, mathematical proportion and the

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00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.199
stars that has the mantle, not
those of the versions of people who have

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00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:13.320
painted the Guadalupe aggression. This,
as I am going to say, is

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only fulfilled with the original, which
is in the Basilica, and it is

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that if we grasp a planispheric as
for example, I recited that it is

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00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:27.840
a program that anyone can access and
we put what position or what constellations were

416
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.280
seen in Mexico. From Mexico City
on December 12, 1500 thirty- one

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00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.360
at six hundred forty- five in
the morning, we will have to match

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00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.480
exactly the constellations in the mantle of
the Virgin Juan Ge exactly with those seen

419
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in Mexico' s sky that night. We have, for example, Canes

420
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.039
boats, the star of the dragon, the big bear, the star of

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00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:00.559
the lynx, the origa libra,
the planet Jupiter is with Pion Centauro,

422
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.159
the Cross of the South. All
this and in the part and I had

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the opportunity to interview a Yucatec astronomer
who has analyzed this. In the part

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00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.559
where the Virgin' s head is, is Virgo' s complition. Therefore,

425
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:22.880
I was already crowned by stars and
that explains to me how the painter

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00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.960
who made it could, therefore,
do this juange because there is a mathematical

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00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:34.039
correlation of more than ninety percent between
the position of the stars in the original

428
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.239
and those that I told you that
night. It is not madness, no,

429
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:45.119
and besides that in that figure the
stars are reflected just above the head

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00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.719
of the Virgin, even the constellation
of Virgo over herself as twinning this type

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00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.679
of Christian cults. Because of the
cults in the stars that have made all

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the ancestral peoples of the planet.
Alejandro Bernal wanted to comment because there is

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00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.400
a very interesting fact and it comes
from Carlos María Bustamante. This was a

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00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:09.920
prominent Mexican lawyer and historian from the
beginning of the 19th century and this man

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00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:15.519
certifies that in the year thousand seven
hundred and ninety- one, some workers

436
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.119
were cleaning the Silver frame in which
was found the Juange Tirma and, suddenly,

437
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:24.559
by an accident, spilled nitric acid
on the canvas. Most curious of

438
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:30.079
all, Juanje is that, literally, despite this spill, the canvas and

439
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:37.039
the signature remains intact. Only a
slight stain remained defying any conventional explanation.

440
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:43.280
That fact didn' t know him, and it sounds crazy to me,

441
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:49.639
not even with a corrosive acid.
Turns out the latilma ran and another that

442
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.159
had to be corroded or is it
real madness? You knew that fact Lourdes.

443
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:59.320
I imagine yes friend also even bombs
that have exploded in the Basilica and

444
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:04.440
the image has not suffered anything.
In fact, in the Basilica, in

445
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:10.400
the Guadalupa enclosure there is no crucifix
bent precisely because of that bomb and the

446
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.960
tilma did not suffer any problems at
all. So, here, beyond the

447
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:21.360
beliefs and faith of people, which
is totally respectable, here we are talking

448
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:27.360
about data and facts palpable, studyable
by anyone and as Fernando Ojeda Yan says

449
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:31.280
he is a public accountant and Guadalupan
researcher, who is the one who has

450
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:36.079
revealed to me the whole part of
mathematics, because he has published several books

451
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.760
on mathematics in the tilma, his
books and accounts, the data, fractions,

452
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.960
square roots, everything is there and
anyone can refute it that they do.

453
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.159
No, it' s not really
crazy. Listen, one of the

454
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:59.039
great riddles of that tilma is the
eyes of the Virgin, because if you

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00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:04.880
bring a microcopio to the eyes of
the Virgin, it seems that it is

456
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:10.119
reflecting at that moment in the eyes
of the Virgin what would be Bishop Juan

457
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:16.280
de Zumárraga seeing and the people around
him seeing how Juan Diego was extending the

458
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:22.519
tilma. That is so Rurdes is
so dear friend, It is a discovery

459
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:30.280
of the researcher José anste Toshman,
already several decades ago, who under microscope

460
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.599
could observe that the eyes of the
Virgin. There are spots that resemble people

461
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:39.519
who would have been present at the
Guadalupan event. There are many skeptics who

462
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:45.400
claim that they are pareidoli. But
let me tell you that Fernando Gedayan is

463
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:50.360
this mathematical researcher has made a correlation
between one eye and another, because we

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00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:55.519
have to know that our eyes do
not focus the scene from the same perspective

465
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.719
and, therefore, what is seen
in the left eye is not exactly the

466
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:05.159
same scene that is seen in the
right eye, because they are different perspectives.

467
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:08.119
So, what Fernando Ojeda Yanés has
done is grab the image of the

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00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:14.000
left eye and the right eye to
try to put them in correlation to see

469
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:19.639
if really two eyes, each from
their perspective, can form the same image

470
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:25.159
and perfect house. Again it is
a mathematical correlation of more than ninety-

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00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.119
five percent. And we are talking, therefore, that effectively, they are

472
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:36.079
eyes focusing on the same scene and
the scene in each one appears differently,

473
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.760
a little distorted, depending, let' s say, on the position of

474
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:43.800
each eye. The same thing happens
with human sight, for that for me

475
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.960
of paraidole has absolutely nothing. There
is a book by Jota Benítez that talks

476
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.880
about the research that Mexico did to
her, about the Virgin of Guadalupe,

477
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.679
where I have seen this very enlarged
photograph of the eyes of the Guadalupana.

478
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.559
And if that is a paradole that
goes to God and sees it, because

479
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.039
that for me is really seen in
the figure and, moreover, the detail

480
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.719
that you have commented that, in
fact, the same scene does not reflect

481
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.159
the same in the right eye,
in the left eye that is also in

482
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:16.199
the tilma. I don' t
think it' s casual at all.

483
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:22.000
Hey, other than I was told
about the stars and a lot of mathematical

484
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:28.280
correlations that have been made about that
tilma. You think that the tilma or

485
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:32.599
the apparition itself Juan Diego gave some
message or the tilma has another message,

486
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.639
because many Marian apparitions there are messages
that for many are divine to you some

487
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.760
kind of message, both in the
apparition and in the tilma itself Lourdes because

488
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.360
it is a visual message. I
support much in the theory of the indigenous

489
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:52.320
codex, because not only do we
have that position of dance in honor of

490
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:58.360
the mother, we also have the
part of the stars that we know the

491
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:02.280
link with the sky that the ancestors
of the Central American area had. We

492
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.039
also have juangel apart from the position
of the flowers in the mantle. In

493
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:14.400
this case and also with a very
high correlation, the main flowers of the

494
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:19.199
mantle coincide with the main hills and
volcanoes of Mexico. If we put the

495
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.960
tilma on a map of Mexico,
the flowers would be located on those main

496
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.880
hills and volcanoes. And another wonderful
fact. The only flower, or the

497
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.320
main flower of four petals that is
found right in the doblet where the virgin

498
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:37.480
has a bow, is the nahui
or lin, which is the flower of

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00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.480
the four directions, a very important
flower in the cosmology and in the way

500
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:49.079
of understanding the world of the ancient
Mexicans, even if it is very rough

501
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.840
that announces and of these have been
made even a couple of years ago a

502
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.880
book by a gynecologist doctor, David
Ojeda, who is a woman not only

503
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.440
pregnant, but about to give birth
and that just where it is said by

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00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:07.519
the position of the belly that so- called child, where the flower of

505
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:15.000
four petals is, is not fair, is where a doctor has to say

506
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.960
to listen to the beat of that
child, that is to say, that

507
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:25.159
really a woman to an ancient Mexican
man who sees her, knows perfectly that

508
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:30.800
right in the center where that flower
is, is where the palpitation, the

509
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:36.280
sound, the beat of that promise
of that child who comes then is an

510
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:43.199
indigenous visual codex. I think there
was a name manipulation. Secure the Nicammo

511
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.800
Powa that clearly identify Juan Diego as
the Virgin of Guadalupe, and all Guadalupano

512
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:52.119
researchers defend that it is the name
it gives. I believe Juan that it

513
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:58.280
was a deformation, that it is
likely that Juan Diego said in his language

514
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:02.039
in Nahuatú, because to no words, and that the Spaniards, to accommodate

515
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:07.400
the message, and to say ah
therefore like Guadalupe, because many of them

516
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:14.239
were Extremaduran and the Virgin of Extreme
Guadalupe had a vital importance for these evangelizations

517
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:19.079
and for these first inhabitants of New
Spain. Then I think they named it

518
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.039
after her. But try to say
that this is a personal theory of mine

519
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.920
that does not defend the majority of
researchers who claim that she identifies herself as

520
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:31.360
Guadalupe, but Guadalupe is a man
of Arab origin related to this Extremaduran virgin.

521
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:36.960
It is likely that Juan Diego expressed
Nahuatl and said well, because we

522
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.159
do not understand that word. It' s going to be called Guadeloupe.

523
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:44.760
I don' t know that anymore. Then for you Latilma would be a

524
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:51.199
message of syncretism, of a union
between Christianity and ancient cults that were ancestral

525
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:55.039
in Mexico by the indigenous tribes of
the area. Of course, Mira Juange.

526
00:46:55.119 --> 00:47:00.480
We are fighting to date because we
call God and Our Lady in different

527
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:08.800
ways. We have that Arabs and
Christians share practically all the prophets, Jesus,

528
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:14.159
Grana, Moses, and they are
fighting because they call God differently and

529
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:22.119
here we have exactly the same thing. We need this woman to show up

530
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.280
at the tilma. It has all
the elements of cosmogony and spirituality that existed

531
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:32.760
before the Spaniards. And that actually
makes them, then, join that new

532
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.880
cult, because they are seeing that
they were different names, but exactly the

533
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:45.280
same spirit as such of Union towards
the goddess Mother. This is happening throughout

534
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:51.880
Latin America. You go to the
Cathedral of Cuernavaca and we find and you

535
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:55.159
go to the Cathedral of Cuernavaca.
In Mexico there is an Aledaño museum where

536
00:47:55.239 --> 00:48:00.280
there is one of the few images
that exist detonating image. It was an

537
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:05.039
entrance to the altar. Why,
because they were going to pray to the

538
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:09.159
church and they were praying to your
Nancy. For the Spaniards and she was

539
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:13.960
the virgin to them, she was
their mother Tonancin. But it is exactly

540
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.920
the same universal spirit. Or you
go to the Cathedral of Cusco that surely

541
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.519
and I know that you have been
because you have traveled much more than me,

542
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:28.239
and we have a representation of a
stone to flee into or from the

543
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:34.519
Sun, where they prayed to see
the god creator, man God almighty and

544
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.639
sima trinity are praying to that God
of solar worship. We have that Pope

545
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.719
Francis has just signed a Vatican document
entitled Brother Sol, to open a photovoltaic

546
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:49.159
in the Vatican. That syncretism to
date follows only we juange calling things of

547
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.440
different names, but the spirit,
the message and that entity in the background,

548
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.159
in the same I lived something very
beautiful for example, in Guatemala,

549
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:02.000
Chichi Castellana, when I was filming
a small hill where is the dio maya

550
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:06.719
pascal to low and just behind there
is also a cross and people pray to

551
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.519
the cross while praying to pascal to
low and there they perform rituals of healings.

552
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.039
And so I think what you said
seems super accurate to me. I

553
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:23.360
mean, it' s really the
same entity and the same message that we

554
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.800
put different names on and put different
dresses on. What you' re telling

555
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:36.480
us on a universal level, on
an angelic level, call it whatever you

556
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:37.880
want, is exactly the same thing. I think it' s wonderful.

557
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:45.039
You' ve told us a lot
about the Virgin of Guadalupe in extreme.

558
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.840
It has something to do or,
some similarity to the apparitions of the Virgin

559
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.559
of Guadalupe in Extremadura. I do
not know whether their appearance is or is

560
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:57.320
not, or is simple adoration or
there is no similarity. Just like you

561
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.960
said before, Juan Diego said something
they probably said about Guadalupe or maybe Guadalupe

562
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.760
said, but you found some similarity
or it doesn' t have any,

563
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:12.559
because look at Juange who share the
name, because it has nothing else to

564
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.679
do with it. The Virgin of
Guadalupe of Mexico is a tilma, printed

565
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:21.119
a cloth and, in the case
of the Virgin of Guadalupe Extremadura, is

566
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:28.840
a black virgin, a small carving
of the thirteenth century, approximately that belongs

567
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:35.360
to those black virgins of Western Europe, who already know that they are closely

568
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:40.639
linked to the Templars and with previous
Orientalizing cults to goddesses such as, for

569
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:49.880
example, mainly because exactly the representation
of Isis with those Egyptian dark statues of

570
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:54.159
that mother carrying her son, including
her breast, is exactly the same as

571
00:50:54.199 --> 00:51:00.519
we find in virgins like Guadalupe or
Montserrat, among many others, that are

572
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:07.320
those small hieratic statues of polychrome wood, dark and that it is ensured that

573
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:12.000
they arise from a rather harmonic text
of the Bible, which is the singing

574
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.960
of Solomon' s Cantars, because
there is a scene in which the Virgin

575
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.000
says that she has the brunette complex. It should be borne in mind that

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00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:24.280
the Virgen de Guadalupe extremedura is pre- Mexican, and that is why the

577
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:29.559
anti- apparitionists point out juange that
this is why it is a copy,

578
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.639
but it does not resemble anything.
They only share the name is an Arab

579
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:37.159
man who seems to say Rio de
Lobos. And there was an apparition to

580
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:43.280
a Cáceres shepherd named Gil Cordero,
who suddenly lost a cow in the villuercas

581
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:47.400
in the province of Cáceres. He' s looking for his cow, he

582
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:52.519
finds his cow dead and when he
goes to dishojarla to take advantage of the

583
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:58.280
skin, he makes a cross on
his chest and in those moments the cow

584
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.840
gets up and is alive and a
lady who gave him arises says that right

585
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:07.599
where the cow was he has to
dig because he' s going to find

586
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:09.159
an image of him and they have
to venerate that image. In that place.

587
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:15.400
Gil Corderos goes to Cáceres, convinces
a group of clerics and dig into

588
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.920
the place and find an image of
the Virgin of Guadalupe. That small oriental

589
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:27.360
size, along with two stones,
a bell and some cards. Here we

590
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.599
have many occult symbols, starting with
the cow or bull that appear all the

591
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:37.480
Eastern legends, the Aces to St
Luke. We have the stone and we

592
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:42.599
have that most cults to the mother
goddess in the Iberian Peninsula was through the

593
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:50.599
stones. That is why there were
councils with lapides against the stone worshipers and

594
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:58.679
the Dominicans fought these movements very fervently
by building Marian places of worship where there

595
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:02.760
were worships of veneration of the mother
behind the stones there are black virgins who

596
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:08.039
have stones inside them, which definitely
confirms this fact. And the most shocking

597
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:10.840
thing of all is that if you
visit the Shrine of the Virgin of Guadalupe.

598
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.760
At the entrance there are two stones
that tradition assures, which are those

599
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.519
that were next to the Virgin and
that we return to the same thing.

600
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:24.079
But vice versa for those stone worshipers, because they were still going to touch

601
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:29.480
the stone and the Catholics were going
to see the Virgin of Guadalupe that is

602
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:36.480
still venerated and fixed what curious,
ancestral symbols that are mixed in the appearance

603
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:43.000
of Guadalupe in Extremadura Spain, ancestral
symbols that there are also in the Tilma

604
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.360
of the Indio Juan Diego, in
Mexico, on the Mount, in the

605
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:52.719
Cerro de Tepeyac and here we continue
in the night of Mystery Lourdes. He

606
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:59.239
was only telling us about the apparitions
at Mount Tepeyac and the mysteries that surround

607
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:05.840
those, but also how Guadalupe'
s apparitions were and the interview with Lurd

608
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:10.880
de Gómez continues like this. A
very important data and connection. Juange is

609
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:16.920
that the Virgin of Guadalupe of Extremadura
said it was super important for Catholic kings.

610
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:23.239
The first meeting between Columbus and the
Catholic kings, The first place where

611
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:30.800
Columbus proposes to Isabella the Catholic her
mysterious journey is the Monastery of the Virgin

612
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:36.960
of Guadalupe of Extremadura. That'
s why he was so important in the

613
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:42.159
conquest. During Columbus' first trip, they have a storm, are about

614
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:46.639
to shipwreck and are entrusted to this
Virgin of Guadalupe and that is why Columbus

615
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:52.119
promises to return the first money.
Gold that Columbus brings from America, the

616
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:59.039
Monastery of Guadalupe is donated. The
first two natives arriving from America are baptized

617
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:04.679
in the Us of Guadalupe. The
first chilies that come from America are grown

618
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:08.000
in the orchard of the Guadalupe Monastery. It was very important, yes,

619
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:12.679
but it has nothing to do with
Mexico. Where the controversy arises. And

620
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.840
this is an exclusive fact that I
have and that attracts a lot of attention

621
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:22.079
in Mexico. Juangi who I found
in the Guadalupe archive, looks at the

622
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.800
Monastery of Guadalupe shudder and perhaps for
this reason I almost didn' t teach

623
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:29.440
him anymore. In the choir there
is a virgin, it is an immaculate

624
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.920
conception. The Virgin of Guadalupe of
Mexico resembles the immaculate conception, which is

625
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:38.320
a virgin that appears in the apocalypse
of that fort. In one of the

626
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:43.239
most mysterious books in the Bible it
is said that when the end of the

627
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:47.599
world is come, a lady dressed
in sun and stars will appear, and

628
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.800
that is really how the immaculate conception
is depicted, has a half moon on

629
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.599
her feet and appears in the stars. This is what Our Lady has for

630
00:55:55.639 --> 00:56:00.639
Guadeloupe of Mexico. There is really
a connection with the apocalypse, but if

631
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:06.559
we go to the Choir of Guadalupe, we find a virgin called the Virgin

632
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:09.960
of the Choir, who is an
immaculate conception and who looks very much like

633
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:14.079
that of Guadalupe. And that'
s where the controversy begins. They say

634
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.280
they copied from the Virgin of the
Choir. It is the Virgin of the

635
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:21.440
Choir of Guadalupe older than that of
Mexico. I have to say juange yes,

636
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:27.199
but I found a document that speaks
of a restoration of the Virgin of

637
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.360
the Choir, that they take her
to Salamanca and that there they put all

638
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:35.000
the elements that make her look like
that of Mexico, the golden rays,

639
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:42.159
the stars. I have that document, even how much Guadalupe Monastery paid for

640
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:47.079
that restoration. Then that theory is
not supported either, because the reverse and

641
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:52.920
the modifications of the Virgen del Coro
were inspired by the Mexican one. So

642
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:57.519
the controversy of the date continues and
it is true that in our Spanish land

643
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.119
because they continue to maintain that everything
is a copy. But, as we

644
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:05.079
see, the same one he added
in Guadeloupe of Mexico is much greater than

645
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.159
just saying this is not much greater. And apart from what brilliant research that

646
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:12.320
you find that document, that is, the document, I think it'

647
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.599
s clear, that is, the
Virgin is modified trying to copy the Mexican

648
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.599
one, with which I think we
go blank and in Bottle has more,

649
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.719
not much more history of the candromanal. I wanted to comment on something onge.

650
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:27.480
There is another amazing fact that adds
more mysteries to this tilma, and

651
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:31.159
it is that Margarita would climb from
Martínez parente. This woman is an official

652
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:36.960
of the Centro de Estudios Guadalupanos in
Mexico. Juange. She claims that Juan

653
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:40.519
Diego' s tilma, as she
calls it, is placed on a metal

654
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:46.840
plate that has an average temperature of
fifteen degrees Celsius. Instead, the thyrma

655
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:53.119
maintains a constant temperature of thirty-
six and a half degrees, that is,

656
00:57:53.440 --> 00:58:00.320
the temperature of a healthy human body. And to this day I give

657
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.920
a scientific explanation of why the plate
on which the tilma is, has this

658
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:09.559
temperature difference. Jorge Hey, that' s crazy. That fact, for

659
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:15.280
example, had not been heard by
the Lourdes. There are records that the

660
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.760
temperature of the Tilma de Juan Diego, where the Virgin of Guadalupe is,

661
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:23.320
has an abnormal temperature. Well,
this is a controversial fact that I'

662
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:30.880
ve tried to corroborate. But the
Guadalupan researchers, including the President or as

663
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:36.000
such the head of the Guadalupan studies
of the Basilica, with whom I have

664
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.320
had the opportunity to eat and exchange
data, do not confirm this fact to

665
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:44.280
me. They deny it, but
I have to say that the faithful do,

666
00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:46.639
that they support it, but from
the Basilica they deny it. They

667
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:51.400
assure that both that data and another
that is also said to be there is

668
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:52.840
a heartbeat, that there is a
heartbeat, that a kind of heartbeat is

669
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:58.679
heard. If you hide it,
they deny it and claim it would not

670
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:02.320
be real. However, I had
the opportunity to see the security mechanisms of

671
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:06.719
Our Lady. I don' t
know if it' s okay for me

672
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:07.639
to say this good one. I' m not going to give any more

673
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.719
data to see if anyone' s
going to attack the guy. Well,

674
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:19.199
there are certain juange elements that help
ensure a constant temperature. Okay, perfect.

675
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:21.480
Well, it' s a fact
that it' s there and that,

676
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:22.559
maybe there' s from here to
give the most. But it is

677
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:28.760
still curious even to say that it
is heard to the beat of the Virgin.

678
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:34.199
Hey, Lourde. How is the
feeling, as a journalist and as

679
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.519
a human being that you are above
the journalist, of going to the Basilica

680
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.280
of Guadalupe? You can illustrate to
all of us who have not been there

681
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:44.559
as in the Basilica. How is
the atmosphere that looks like that basilica.

682
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:51.400
It' s fascinating, because it' s a basilica that' s completely

683
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:55.480
open and even if you' re
out on the flat or inside, from

684
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:59.039
any point, you see the same
thing perfectly. The tilma is there in

685
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:04.440
the middle of a high place,
because it makes it perceptible from any point.

686
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:10.239
And besides, we have good,
because some kind of tapes, let

687
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:15.199
' s say they' re moving
and they make you get close to the

688
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:21.320
Virgin for a few seconds to take
pictures and so on. The Guadalupan enclosure

689
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.280
is huge. Not only does it
consist of the basilica. There are other

690
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:28.639
chapels, such as the chapel of
the fence, which is built in the

691
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:32.519
highest part, where tradition assures that
Juan Diego cut the flowers. Either we

692
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:37.079
have the first chapel or sacred house
of Juan Diego, which is where he

693
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:40.440
was supposedly more than a century out
in the open. There are many curiosities,

694
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:45.440
such as, for example, a
chapel as such of blessings where you

695
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:50.440
see pilgrims arriving with very great images
of the Virgin of Guadalupe. And there

696
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:55.280
is a priest who is at all
times, pouring holy water on these images

697
01:00:55.760 --> 01:01:00.280
or, for example, the chapel
of oaths. They are people who have

698
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:05.519
serious addictions, they come to ask
Our Lady to help them cure those addictions

699
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.440
and then what is said in Mexico
is they are jurors of Our Lady.

700
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:12.960
And then, for example, that
person who has a problem with alcoholism.

701
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.800
When someone offers you alcohol and says
I' m sworn, that' s

702
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:22.559
sacred. No one else will offer
him because he is sworn in the Basilica

703
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:27.880
and Our Lady is protecting him so
that he can keep that promise. The

704
01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:34.159
most shocking moment is measured every December
12. I' ve had the opportunity

705
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:39.920
to be there from Pilgrimage on December
12th and we' re talking about juange

706
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:45.480
millions of people. It' s
crazy that just at twelve o' clock

707
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:50.159
in the night they start singing the
mornings to Our Lady. The Mass begins

708
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.360
with the mornings. There are millions
of people singing mornings to the Virgin of

709
01:01:54.440 --> 01:02:00.360
Guadalupe and along the way, all
those people who have promise with the Virgin

710
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:05.320
to Guadalupe and who have managed to
get out of their problems thanks to her,

711
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.800
are giving gifts to the pilgrims you
during the four or five kilometers that

712
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:14.159
you walk to reach the basilica,
because it is impossible to park. You

713
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.679
have to sing a lot. They
give you all kinds of no sandwiches,

714
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:24.440
drinks, prints. They are all
gifts from people who have obtained a favor

715
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:29.960
from the Virgin of Guadalupe and I
feel like crying, because it is truly

716
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.320
incredible the atmosphere that is lived there. How beautiful in the background of the

717
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:36.559
Virgin of Guadalupe It is part of
the heart and soul of Mexico. And

718
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:40.599
that' s right. No,
and maybe that' s why he has

719
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:45.760
that syncretism of what was before the
arrival of Christianity and it' s preserved

720
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:47.800
with the good in Christianity and you' ve described it as you' ve

721
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:50.840
put the dogs at the top.
I mean, I think it' s

722
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.800
wonderful and I think it' s
wonderful that people go there, live it,

723
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:59.119
experiment it, be it Christian or
Catholic or not. They have narrated

724
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:04.239
it in a great way and perhaps
the message of the Virgin of Guadalupe And,

725
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:07.519
deep down, we are all the
same and we are all the same,

726
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:12.119
just that we dress things differently,
but our longings, our desires,

727
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:19.239
our hardships, our disasters, are, at heart, the same and it

728
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:23.039
is those that make us human in
the positive and negative sense, because we

729
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:27.679
are always filled with a little light
and shade. In this case, the

730
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:31.320
Virgin of Guadalupe is all light in
order to extinguish the shadow. You told

731
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:36.440
it in a great way. Lourdes
that you want to add something more to

732
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:38.320
the Virgin of Guadalupe. I gave
him another appearance. We' ve destroyed

733
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:44.239
the script as long as we'
ve already had forty- eight minutes of

734
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:49.280
interview, so I think for another
day we' ll leave the issue of

735
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:51.400
fatima and gravel and get a little
bit into Lourdes and close the show.

736
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.199
But you want to add something more
Lourdes de la Virgen de Guadalupe, because,

737
01:03:54.719 --> 01:04:00.719
dear friend, there is a lot
of mystery, not only because around

738
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.360
Latin we have many other elements in
the basilica, even crypts have already been

739
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:11.079
built where good people, because it
is on earth as such near the Virgin

740
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:14.039
of Guadalupe and we have a museum
of ex- votos. That this is

741
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:18.280
a popular Mexican art. Very interesting, because, instead of doing, as

742
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:20.960
in other parts of the world,
you nexs votes. For example, if

743
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:26.000
you have a problem in one hand, they make a kind of wax handle

744
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:29.880
and leave it there on the spot. In this case, in Mexico,

745
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:33.719
the tradition of ex- votos.
These are paintings dear friend, where anonymous

746
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:40.159
artists reflected the miracle that had been
painted. It' s a work of

747
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:43.360
art and down. It has a
legend that puts, for example, the

748
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:47.440
game La Virgen de Guadalupe appears and
rescues people from the fire and says that

749
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.960
I am a Fulanita of such and
on the such day of the year,

750
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:56.840
the Virgin of Guadalupe performed the next
miracle to me and it is a lot

751
01:04:56.960 --> 01:05:01.119
incredible because they are people of all
ages talking about diseases, accidents, train

752
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:06.159
traffic, shootings, earthquakes and the
most shocking, Juan Gel Find with aliens.

753
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:13.719
I meet extraterrestrials on that hill of
tepellaje which is what Juanges is called.

754
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:18.320
They are ex- votos and we
can do another special program of ex

755
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:26.960
- extraterrestrial vows, where people thank
Our Lady for helping them when Martians or

756
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:30.480
UFOs appeared in their lands and gave
them a lot of fear and prayed.

757
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:36.719
And that object or those humanoids are
gone. It happens both with the Virgin

758
01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:43.239
of Guadalupe and with other important virgins
of Mexico. I have to tell you,

759
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:45.880
I bought two or three of those
ex- votes. I gave it

760
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:49.000
to him He answered Johanan on a
birthday. They are original and we have

761
01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:54.800
that, in fact, the Virgin
of Guadalupe has also been entrusted to her

762
01:05:54.840 --> 01:06:00.920
in situations of strategic contact. You
just left me in I mean that,

763
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:03.840
I didn' t know it existed, and I think I' ve read

764
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:09.840
about ufology. Investigate my life a
little. I didn' t know it

765
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:12.599
existed, I had no idea,
and I think it' s magnificent.

766
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:17.400
Listen only to finish off there is
some official miracle recognized by the Catholic Church

767
01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:21.800
around the Virgin of Guadalupe. Or
not. We don' t have to

768
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:27.320
talk here about the news that is
so current about those Church norms about supernatural

769
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:34.199
events. The Catholic Church tolerates and
promotes certain cults, but does not sign

770
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:39.880
as such official documents in which it
clearly states that, indeed, the Mother

771
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:45.159
of God appeared in such a place
at such a time in history. Tolerate

772
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:48.400
the cult. It is a very
profitable cult for the Church. We are

773
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:54.239
speaking that in the case of the
Virgin of Guadalupe is the most visited Marian

774
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:58.880
enclosure of Christendom, along with a
fatima called The Altar of the World and

775
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:04.159
the Vatican and that, therefore,
are large economic goods associated with these temples.

776
01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:09.760
Then there is prudence, there is
tolerance and there is respect, but

777
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:15.159
there is no recognition. Almost all
documentary. There is a recognition through the

778
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:18.280
different popes in the case of the
Virgin of Guadalupe of Mexico, for there

779
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:24.920
have been popes like Juan Pablo II
super Mega linked to this apparition going to

780
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:29.400
worship the Virgin of Guadalupe of Mexico, or recently Francisco, who has also

781
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:31.800
been praying alone in the Camarín,
the Virgin of Mexico or other popes who

782
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:39.960
have held phrases as famous as with
any other nation. He did the same

783
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:44.519
thing as it is another of the
most important phrases in Mexico, where they

784
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.760
claim that no other are born in
the world. Our Lady did such a

785
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:54.199
miracle. Then worship is tolerated,
but there are no official documents regarding miracles

786
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:58.480
of the Virgin of Guadalupe. If
we check the news and anyone can do

787
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:03.199
it and put Virgen de Guadala rupe
news google every week we have miracles.

788
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.880
Without going further, in these days, an image of the Virgin of Guadalupe

789
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:15.320
in Morelia, which is in Mexico, has supposedly begun to cry blood.

790
01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:20.760
We are also talking about one of
the most difficult territories in Mexico, where

791
01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:28.720
it is really practically forbidden to step
on at the moment and talk about a

792
01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:33.439
virgin crying blood. The archdiocese of
Morelia has already begun an official investigation in

793
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:38.319
which it calls for prudence and,
according to the new norms of the Vatican,

794
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:42.439
that all they do is renew what
we already knew will not be pronounced

795
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:47.199
positively. They would only pronounce themselves
in a negative way. Juang if they

796
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:51.840
discover a fraud or that the person
who is promoting it has a psychological,

797
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:58.039
psychiatric problem, that the person needs
money, then they can be pronounced negatively,

798
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:02.800
but never by prudence will they be
pronounced positively. They recognize that these

799
01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:08.479
things can occur, that it would
be through the Holy Spirit the third element

800
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:15.800
of the Most Holy Trinity, that
it would be giving certain miracles to people,

801
01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:19.159
simply to reinforce God' s message. But he is very afraid that

802
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:25.560
theology will go on to say to
the popular miracle shop and they do not

803
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:30.840
want the worship, let us say
from the church, to move the Eucharist

804
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.119
so that these kinds of cults arise. Then he tolerates it a lot,

805
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:36.439
but with great prudence. But how
nice that you' ve said miracles almost

806
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:42.479
every week, even if the Church
doesn' t make an official document recognizing

807
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:46.920
them. Alejandro Bernal wanted to comment
on something if he played within the historical

808
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.720
miracles that have been attributed to the
Virgin of Guadalupe and a story that seems

809
01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:55.399
fascinating to me. In 1,
500 thirty- one, when the hermitage

810
01:09:55.640 --> 01:10:00.359
had already been built, a great
pilgrimage of people gathered and, as they

811
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:05.439
say, an archer tried to throw
an arrow with such bad luck that this

812
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:10.399
arrow struck him in the throat of
one of the people who were there.

813
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.279
This person was badly injured and,
according to the chronicles of the time,

814
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:19.079
they took her to the feet of
the Virgin. Practically this person was dying.

815
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:25.520
And as soon as he came across
this sacred image, this person regained

816
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:30.560
consciousness. Slowly, they removed his
arrow and survived in a miraculous way.

817
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:34.680
Well, then, one of the
miracles that are there and those chronicles are

818
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:40.239
left seems magnificent to me. The
whole position that Lourdes has made on the

819
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.560
Virgin of Guadalupe. I' ll
give you another day to talk about fateful

820
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:45.079
progress. But that' s another
story, because there are also two appearances

821
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:50.159
in which there are a lot of
lights around that appear strangely, but the

822
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:56.479
minutes we have left, I would
like to ask you about another of the

823
01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:00.399
most important Marian apparitions in the world. This one has sixty- nine official

824
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:08.520
miracles recognized by the Church which is
the story of the Virgin of Lourdes in

825
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:13.560
France and is, in particular,
apparitions that there are between the fourteenth of

826
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:17.439
February and the sixteen of July of
the one thousand eight hundred fifty- eight,

827
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:24.840
in which an illiterate teenage girl named
Bernarde her virus in a grotto called

828
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:32.920
Massabiel, affirms that she has contact
also with a lady and I believe that

829
01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:39.279
we are talking about the most miraculous
virgin in the world and a place of

830
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:44.439
worship also where there is a water
that is pleasing to thousands and not millions

831
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:48.319
of people every year. How you
investigated this case that you know about history,

832
01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:54.920
the history of apparitions in Lourdes,
in France, because I know John

833
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:58.800
well enough that we are talking about
a cycle of apparition is quite long,

834
01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:04.239
more than eighteen. And well,
it forms a whole compendium of prophetic messages

835
01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:09.760
and a link with the miracle,
as you say, through the water.

836
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:15.880
Water is a very important element in
all Marian apparitions, because most places where

837
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:20.640
it appears there is a watercourse.
And this precisely as Master Savior Freixedo taught

838
01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:29.439
us, has that connection with the
mother goddesses of Antiquity. Water as a

839
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.640
fertilizer element, water as a bond
with the mother goddess. In all places

840
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:38.640
of Marian apparitions there are miraculous waters. You have visited in Turkey the House

841
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:43.359
of Our Lady has its course its
source of water. In the Virgin of

842
01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:47.560
Guadalupe of Mexico we also have a
well supposedly of sacred waters in Tepeyaz and

843
01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:51.239
in the case of Lourdes, because
the grotto and indeed, the presence of

844
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:56.600
water is one of the most important
points. My name is Lourdes because of

845
01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:00.640
this apparition, because my mother was
fascinated. From a very young age and

846
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.760
from a small age, I was
taken to Our Lady of Lourdes one of

847
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:08.880
the most striking images of my childhood. It was to see well, because

848
01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:15.720
hundreds of paralyzed tetraplegic people in familla
wandering around Lourdes in search of a miracle.

849
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.720
I was shocked and older, for
I followed him a lot. As

850
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:23.439
you have said, this is an
apparition that took place in the 19th century,

851
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:29.640
where a teenager who had no special
knowledge of these subjects was completely illiterate,

852
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:34.800
spoke to a woman who identified her
as the Virgin, also using the

853
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:42.039
language or dialect she used in this
area of France and because she promised that

854
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:47.359
she would visit her there for about
two weeks, that every day she would

855
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:54.079
meet her in the same place.
This is important because a Marian apparition is

856
01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:59.399
completely linked to the place of worship. In addition, if you move the

857
01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:01.760
image to another, yes the legend
always appears that in the evenings the image

858
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:08.159
is moved alone, because it is
a key importance the place where it appears

859
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:14.479
bernarde fulfills going to the apparitions with
these, ma' am, and in

860
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:19.640
those apparitions they have conversations where it
gives them messages, messages about how the

861
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:25.520
world, human beings have to do
penance, that there is a lot of

862
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:30.640
sin, that you have to try
to flee from the materialism that you have

863
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.319
to do professions to the grotto where
it appears and found a chapel. This

864
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:41.319
appearance became super famous. Indeed,
he had an ecclesiastical creation, something that

865
01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:45.239
really does not happen in the rest
of the apparitions. And immediately, because

866
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:47.520
the arrival of millions of pilgrims,
as it continues to happen to date,

867
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:54.239
if you allow me, I can
give juange the conclusion of why I think

868
01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:57.920
that requests the appearance always a place
of worship. Yes, but, of

869
01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:03.600
course, how unclear last night was
mystery. Maybe we could go deeper into

870
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:09.119
it in fatima. But notice that
on one of my fetima trips, when

871
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:12.600
I was with Johanna, my husband, walking one night for a fatima,

872
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:16.800
we are not sensitive. We face
these issues from journalism, but we start

873
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:20.800
to feel I don' t know
how to pressure, like a duration in

874
01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:27.039
the chest. We were not in
the plane of the apparitions and do not

875
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:30.800
lose after the small sports bulletin that
comes that theory of Lourdes Gómez, that

876
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:36.920
to me the truth impressed quite your
questions and comments through the numeral mystery Caracol

877
01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:44.520
and lorde gober We were telling his
theory of why these kinds of apparitions always

878
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:50.000
ask of a place of worship,
a special point at which we can meet

879
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:57.560
with the divinity. And the interview
with Lourdes continues like this. But as

880
01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:00.640
a result of feeling that so strange, we said to approach the basilica,

881
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:06.800
if they are celebrating something when we
arrived Our impression was capital, because a

882
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:12.000
sumar, that was a sea of
thousands of candles that were thousands of people

883
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:16.439
in unison breeding the rosary. And
I had as a revelation. I looked

884
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:20.760
at Johanna and told her I just
found out. I think I just found

885
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:27.880
out why these entities get together and
ask for the construction of a cult space.

886
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:31.279
At that point, in particular,
and not at another. I realized

887
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:35.039
that those thousands of people praying the
rosary, that it is still a mantra,

888
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:42.640
a man realization sound by repetition,
vibration that is created by a repeated

889
01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:47.239
sound Again and again they were generating
an energy and if I, who am

890
01:16:47.319 --> 01:16:53.920
not sensitive, was feeling it juange. This means that this has to do

891
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:58.479
with very concrete places of nature,
where is the subject of the lines law

892
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:02.319
and forces, that that energetic vibration
of the planet, that is none other

893
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:09.279
than the beloved god, that energetic
vibration, those nodes or points of power

894
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:14.039
in the places where this entity appears
and that people when they pray there,

895
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:17.640
when there is the water element,
in the light element of the candlelights,

896
01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:24.960
and that prayer, that mantra,
that repetition sound that we remember, since

897
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:29.720
the verb has power and is one
of the main messages of theology that at

898
01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:35.399
first was the verb and that the
word has power. These people were generating

899
01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:41.319
an energy that I don' t
know why or what it serves the purpose

900
01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:45.319
of the apparition, they can be
those forces of good by fighting with the

901
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.279
forces of evil through prayer and that
energetic vibration. I don' t know,

902
01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:53.920
but I swear I felt something very
strong there and I think I came

903
01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:59.239
to that conclusion. How nice what
you just said are telluric points, which

904
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:02.800
are points that concentrate a great energy. That is why they appear there,

905
01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:08.039
that lady, and what happens when
people pray and hour that, through vibration,

906
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:13.560
feeds that positive energy of the earth, because I do serve what I

907
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:16.880
think the Earth does not know if
luckily, unfortunately, but it is as

908
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:20.439
always, it has always been a
battlefield between light and darkness, between angels

909
01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:26.039
and demons, and so it has
been for so many thousands of years.

910
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:32.880
So, how nice that these places
aren' t casual, but what they

911
01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:39.920
obey is a plan of these forces
of light against the darkness. How nice

912
01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:45.680
Lourdes that you have commented listen let' s do some more information about the

913
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:49.760
apparition of Lourdes, which also has
your name. I believe Lourdes is one

914
01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:55.079
of the most important Marian apparitions in
the world for various reasons and I want

915
01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:59.960
your opinion on this. One is
because Bernard' s virus was a very

916
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:05.680
poor girl from a very poor family, she was illiterate and was spoken to

917
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:10.119
by the virgin in Gascon in the
dialect of the area. She didn'

918
01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:16.159
t even speak French well, she
communicated in Gascon. But when it starts

919
01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:21.279
to look like the virgin and all
these apparitions and I repeat, between fourteen

920
01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:25.319
of February sixteen of July of a
thousand eight hundred and fifty- eight,

921
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:30.560
with all these messages, people laughed
at her virus nerdet until in one of

922
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:35.479
the apparitions, when the virgin tells
her that she is carbe in the cave,

923
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:40.359
that water is going to come out
and such And what Bernard does his

924
01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:45.680
virus is digging in the cave and
what he finds basically is mud and little

925
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:49.000
more and people laugh at it for
having been filled with mud and such and

926
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:51.680
the next day begins to appear a
water that continues to come out today.

927
01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:58.199
This is a crazy thing. It
is very difficult to explain a water that

928
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:01.640
in addition, if it really analyzes
it is a very very particular water.

929
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:09.239
He told her a number of very
particular properties. What is your opinion about

930
01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:14.479
why the importance of Lourdes, For
the importance of Lourdes is that it is

931
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:18.640
one of the clearest intentions where we
see the link between the paranormal and the

932
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:25.439
religious. To begin with, Bernadez
was a teenager and, as you know,

933
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:29.920
in the world of gay polter and
paranormal appearances, the adolescent witness is

934
01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:34.800
always key when the phenomenon is unleashed, because at the emotional level, the

935
01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:40.640
agitation that a person lives at that
age, at the hormonal level and at

936
01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:46.000
the level of his psychic development,
causes that they can unleash or trigger events

937
01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:54.439
of a paranormal type of those forces
or abilities that we have asleep and that

938
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:59.640
some develop more than others. Bernardet
was at the time. It is like

939
01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:03.279
children under seven years of age,
who have also witnessed such events, because

940
01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:08.359
they are not yet contaminated with the
logic of the adult and have very open

941
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:13.520
that part of seeing issues that we
have already forgotten govern has that key.

942
01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:19.479
We also have to understand here that
the intelligence behind this phenomenon, if it

943
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:23.880
is the Virgin Mary, I do
not know, but the intelligence behind the

944
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:28.800
apparition uses the elements that this person
knows. That' s why she speaks

945
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:32.600
to you in the dialect she knows. He uses the elements or garments of

946
01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:39.680
each epoch, the kind of language, to create a situation of rupture with

947
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:47.239
the reality of introducing himself to our
world, but without being surprised, so

948
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:54.640
that we cannot find out anything.
The message adapts to a country with very

949
01:21:54.720 --> 01:22:00.920
difficult situations, for example, the
French Revolution or the anticleric for precisely under

950
01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:05.159
that theory of mine that I do
not know whether it will be real or

951
01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:08.960
not of forces of good and forces
of evil. Balancing things a little,

952
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:16.000
we don' t and we have
that Bernardez has to sink his face into

953
01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:21.199
the earth in order to find that
water with very special characteristics. What he

954
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:28.600
really did was surrender to Mother Earth
to the Earth element and cause that water

955
01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:35.159
to spring up that is still miraculous
and has very concrete characteristics. And in

956
01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:44.079
this sense it reinforces even more friendly
paranormal theory through radioaesthesia. These people who

957
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:50.279
have their mental abilities for active psychological
and that the interaction with certain wooden rods

958
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:57.359
of metal or pendulums, have the
ability to locate the vibration of these special

959
01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:02.560
waters and bring them to light all
This makes it a girl and lawyer who

960
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:08.439
had no idea of the baggage like
what you have or what I can have

961
01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:12.920
on topics of mystery Juanes and I
think it is a very beautiful story,

962
01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:15.239
not that it is like that figure
is the Virgin, not whatever it is.

963
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:21.399
It takes in principle souls who are
very pure, it is worth or

964
01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:26.079
children who have no evil, that
is children it is worth and able to

965
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:29.520
impregnate and manage them. So,
kids often have a hard time, that

966
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:32.680
is Bernard their virus. It didn' t happen at first, it didn

967
01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:36.640
' t happen at all. And
well, it just happens to become places

968
01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:44.039
of worship for millions of people.
Listen around Lourdes there' s a figure

969
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:49.239
who' s the famous Miraculous Medal. What is the Miraculous Medal of Lourdes,

970
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:54.319
because in this case it is not
of Lourdes, but it is linked

971
01:23:54.319 --> 01:23:59.760
to France. The miracle medal is
another Marian appearance. In this case paranor

972
01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:05.079
so a French nun is related to
Lourdes, because they are very similar images.

973
01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:10.840
But it is curious because in this
case we have that it was also

974
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:15.720
more or less in the 19th century
and it is to Santa Catalina Labure,

975
01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:23.800
a French nun who sees the virgin
and also sees that this lady tells Juange

976
01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:28.960
that she has to coin a medal
with very concrete symbols that she will give

977
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:33.920
her because it will be very miraculous
and will help many people. It has

978
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:41.000
the connection because it is in the
same century it is the same type of

979
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:45.960
person or profile of figurine. So
it is and we have scandalous elements,

980
01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:53.159
as for example, that in the
miraculous medal, which is coined exactly with

981
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:57.239
the characteristics that this entity gave,
is a very powerful symbol. He has

982
01:24:57.319 --> 01:25:01.399
the sacred heart of Jesus, he
has Mary' s m, he has

983
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:05.720
stars around and he has a virgin
who has open hands. According to Catherine

984
01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:14.000
Labure' s original statement, there
were rays of light coming out of rings

985
01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:17.800
bearing the apparition. This is a
curious element, because in no seer Mariano

986
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:23.000
has spoken of the virgin wearing jewel. You understand me speak mostly of clothing,

987
01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:29.479
but in this case the rays of
light come out of the ring and

988
01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:33.319
also the message was exactly the same
that a chapel was created and that the

989
01:25:33.359 --> 01:25:38.640
medal was released as a symbol of
protection. To date, this French miraculous

990
01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:46.159
Medal appears Juan G In many places
has worked countless miracles and I find a

991
01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:51.520
link also with symbols that have been
dictated in other contexts, for example,

992
01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:58.800
Argentina, in the case of the
prophet famous for his psychographics, Benjamin Solari

993
01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:04.720
and Parra Viccini. In many of
his psychographics, this friar José de Aragón,

994
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:09.319
with whom he made contact, also
asks for a symbol in this case

995
01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:13.760
for our present time, which is
the Cross Orlava. It is a cross

996
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:17.840
that its four sides are parallel and
that around it has a sun and that

997
01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:23.079
assures that it will be very important
in the new planetary changes coming. In

998
01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:26.560
the case of both the Miraculous Medal
and the Orlada Cross of Parra Biccini,

999
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:33.239
we find that at the radioesthetic level, according to the parapsychology experts, as

1000
01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:40.239
they launch positive energy, they are
able to transform the negative energy of a

1001
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:44.640
place into something positive. And well, they' re two of the most

1002
01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:48.960
popular symbols on the planet. The
Orlada cross, for example, is used

1003
01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:55.399
by all the Presidents of Argentina.
In fact, he became famous a few

1004
01:26:55.439 --> 01:27:01.319
months ago as the descendants of Parra
Viccini and handed over the Orlada cross to

1005
01:27:01.399 --> 01:27:05.479
the current Argentine President to my law, which he has on his desk and

1006
01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:10.880
you tell. Another fascinating fact is
the relationship between Pope Francis and the Cross

1007
01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:16.079
Orlava. From this you have to
call Johannon to make sure program, because

1008
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:19.920
he has been the only journalist that
has broken in the skin despite the criticisms,

1009
01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:23.920
that is, that the Papacy of
Francis is based on Parra Viccini,

1010
01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:30.479
that Pacini, that Francisco met secretly
when he was bishop of Buenos Aires,

1011
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:35.720
with Roman Neuk and with all the
somni researchers of Argentina until late hours of

1012
01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:42.239
the marrugada, because he wanted to
know absolutely everything related to the prophecies of

1013
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:47.239
Parra Vicini, that the messages of
Pope Francis about taking the church out to

1014
01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:53.479
the street are phrases that appear in
the psychographs of Parra Vicini, that when

1015
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:57.560
Pope Francis was during the year two
thousand and twenty alone celebrating in the prose

1016
01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:04.000
the Vatican and raised a sagrario with
a chasulla that was so wide. It

1017
01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:09.640
' s exactly and I can send
you a prophecy from Parra Vichin one of

1018
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:14.640
the psychographics and now the most shocking, the unmistakable fact. There is a

1019
01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:20.399
contact with extraterrestrial Argentine Alfabidondo, who
was part of a musical group to the

1020
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:24.720
Vatican, and he, of course, as Friki in our songs, like

1021
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:30.880
all of us, knows Parra Bicccini
and carries his crossword. We wanted to

1022
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:32.680
confirm all this about Johanna, that
the sources do not let us speak,

1023
01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:38.000
but that she is on the table
and we find that Alpha Bidondo tells Johanna

1024
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:44.319
arrives to the Pope, greets him
and teaches him the orrated cross Juangel and

1025
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:50.199
then Francis puts a half smile And
when Alphabidon does not start to tell him

1026
01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:54.960
Father, I bring a cross from
Parra Bichini and I will tell him the

1027
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:57.680
story. He cuts him off,
that is, he makes the gesture of

1028
01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:00.199
blessing. Papal cuts him off and
says don' t tell me anything.

1029
01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:10.079
I know her well wow okay,
so that' s where we leave the

1030
01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:14.279
data on the whole issue of parra
Viccimi Pope Francis, which is for another

1031
01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:19.079
amazing program. It' s a
pleasure to interview you You' re all

1032
01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:21.760
an encyclopedia on apparition issues in Mariana. Well, not only did Mariana appear

1033
01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:27.279
in omni phenomenon in mystery journalism.
I love seeing you happy in Mexico,

1034
01:29:28.079 --> 01:29:31.039
I love knowing that you have a
lot of new projects that are giving you

1035
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:32.800
a lot more audience and I know
you' re going to do great.

1036
01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:36.720
And now to finish the interview,
to your conclusion, your closing and,

1037
01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:40.880
please, your podcast, your social
networks so that people can follow you lourdes.

1038
01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:45.640
Thank you so much, Juange.
Mariana apparitions are a fascinating and real

1039
01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:50.199
phenomenon. Another thing is the interpretation
we give him. There are people who

1040
01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:55.319
have a link with the religious,
others who see it as something much broader,

1041
01:29:55.760 --> 01:30:00.720
but, in any case, a
positive message. At least that'

1042
01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:05.359
s what I' ve found my
research for humanity. You can find,

1043
01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:11.560
therefore, more information about the investigations
I do in my instagram, which is

1044
01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:15.000
unusual family arroba, in my fun
page of Facebook, deardes Gómez Martín,

1045
01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:19.279
in my tiktok, which is deardes
Gómez m O, in my video podcast

1046
01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:24.880
which is mysteriously called clear. I
also collaborate weekly with Johanna An Díaz on

1047
01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:29.680
her YouTube channel, on her unusual
experience and it has been a pleasure to

1048
01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:31.960
be with Juan Ge and all the
listeners, because Juan is a person I

1049
01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:35.680
admire very much that when I started
on these topics, Juange, for me

1050
01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:40.479
was a reference for everything he did
in Spain, to see that he made

1051
01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:45.880
the other jump to the Atlantic and
what he has achieved with so much effort

1052
01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:48.840
and dedication in Colombia and throughout the
continent. He deserves it so brazenly.

1053
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:54.119
That' s why you' re
an example to me and I feel very

1054
01:30:54.279 --> 01:30:56.720
close to you, because, well, we took the leap. I do

1055
01:30:56.760 --> 01:31:00.239
not know whether or not we will
be prophets in our land, but you

1056
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:04.359
are in Colombia and throughout America and
I am very proud of that aspect.

1057
01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:08.359
Juan, thank you very much.
If that' s what really makes me

1058
01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:11.600
cry, you know what I mean. Anyway, here we are we were

1059
01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:14.640
not prophets in our land, but
we dedicated ourselves to what we like,

1060
01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:16.680
which is this. We have a
lot of friends, we' re on

1061
01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:19.800
a continent that' s wonderful.
Every day I' m happier to be

1062
01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:23.960
here, in Bogotá, than in
my house and here I' m not

1063
01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:28.840
going so nothing, a strong,
strong hug and I' m sure we

1064
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:31.880
' ll interview you another day that
you have a super happy weekend, a

1065
01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:40.119
hug from Lourdes. Likewise hugs blessings, because lorddes got me excited with that

1066
01:31:40.199 --> 01:31:44.800
that he finally commented already many years
ago on television I was going out in

1067
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:47.560
Spain, I worked in network being
also a podcast very well known millennium three.

1068
01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:50.600
And all this and good, because
I think that in the world I

1069
01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:56.840
niy borders and great the people that
we are migrants and we go to another

1070
01:31:57.079 --> 01:32:00.399
place to look for our life,
in this case, because with the journalism

1071
01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:04.800
of happy mystery of calourdel le Vaya, also with that project that has new

1072
01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:12.039
with mysteriously clear and great and moreover, in like ten days brings with her

1073
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:15.800
husband there, for Mexico, that
he was going to be a few days

1074
01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:18.239
in Mexico, he was going to
be in Mexico and for Mérida. But

1075
01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:27.079
Lourdes was finally closing the interview with
a very important character in the world of

1076
01:32:27.119 --> 01:32:31.000
mystery, Benjamin Solari parra Vichini.
What did this gentleman he better known as

1077
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:36.319
we brought to Argentina, a lord
who between nine hundred and thirty- nine

1078
01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:42.399
hundred and seventy did more than a
thousand psychographs absolute madness to answer and be

1079
01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:45.159
quick to the listeners psychographs. The
man entered into a kind of ecstasy and

1080
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:51.399
began to translate drawings or messages according
to him in a plane where he received

1081
01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:58.319
like this information, in a transcendental
plane and for Viccini has something very interesting

1082
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:02.520
juang and is that it is attributed
several times of his psychographs to the enthronement

1083
01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:06.880
of Pope Francis, apart from what
Lourdes spoke to us from the Cross Orlada.

1084
01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:12.760
For example, in nineteen hundred and
forty, in one of his psychographics

1085
01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:18.279
he put out the following Crisol of
Argentina races, Christ Rex, new streams

1086
01:33:18.279 --> 01:33:23.399
of happy blood. Some of Parra
Viccini' s scholars interpret that this expression

1087
01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:29.560
of Christ Rex would refer to the
leader of one of the major aspects of

1088
01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:32.000
Christianity, which in this case is
Catholicism, and which would refer to Pope

1089
01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:38.000
Francis. But there is a more
textual juange from the beginning of the seventies,

1090
01:33:38.359 --> 01:33:45.760
where Parra Viccini consigned the following the
Church will give her bestowal to the

1091
01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:48.000
renunciation of the Papacy and the new
one will be young of ideas. It

1092
01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:55.239
refers to renunciation. It should be
remembered that Bene Victor sixteen, the Pope

1093
01:33:55.800 --> 01:34:00.560
before Pope Francis, resigned his throne. Father Francis took over. Then some

1094
01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:06.760
directly attribute this psychography to the enthronement
of Pope Francis. Benjamin Solarry Pa Pa

1095
01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:14.159
Ravichini Juange among his most emblematic prophecies
and his psychographic about love he became super

1096
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:18.000
famous for the twin towers, exactly
super. There was not so much talk

1097
01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:21.640
about Parra Bichini, but in a
thousand nine hundred and thirty- nine,

1098
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:30.079
in particular, he does a psychography
as you said they enter trance and draw

1099
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:33.760
a statue of broken freedom and on
the sides two skyscrapers collapsing in a column

1100
01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:38.720
of smoke. And what the phrase
said, because they always accompany psychographics with

1101
01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:44.199
a phrase. America' s freedom
will lose its light, its torch will

1102
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:47.960
not light as yesterday and the monument
will be attacked twice. That psychography is

1103
01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:53.279
brutal. I mean, the fact
is exactly there. Juange also predicted within

1104
01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:59.159
his psychographics the murder of John Figel
Kennedy, the emblematic President of the United

1105
01:34:59.239 --> 01:35:03.000
States. He wrote the following.
Apart from that drawing, an American golfer

1106
01:35:03.119 --> 01:35:10.359
rules and is killed Young wrote on
November 22, nineteen hundred and sixty-

1107
01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:15.880
three. Interestingly enough, this is
what pa ra Biccini put out and within

1108
01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:19.760
the anomalous experiences, because remember more
than a thousand psychographs, messages of all

1109
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:25.079
kinds, very critical messages. Remember
that prophecies are not textual messages, they

1110
01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:29.720
have quite a lot of interpretations.
Juange, the great father of lofology.

1111
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:33.039
Here, in South America, Fabio
Serpa, a book on the life of

1112
01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:39.000
Parraviccini, Benjamin Solar and Parraviccini was
published in America. So was titled Es

1113
01:35:39.039 --> 01:35:45.239
Now and talked about an abduction he
had for Bicini on 9th of July Avenue

1114
01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:53.880
in Buenos Aires, where he described
Fabio Serpa. As Mr Parraviccini had seen

1115
01:35:54.039 --> 01:36:00.640
strange beings with whitish eyes followed by
the appearance of an extreme light that had

1116
01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:08.479
absorbed them, he had taken them
to a sort of circular room and through

1117
01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:15.199
telepathy. Benjamin Solarri Parraviccini told Fabio
Serpa that he had received a message to

1118
01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:21.239
preach love. According to Parrabicini,
the message given to him by those beings

1119
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:26.239
was to preach love. The Universe
is harmony. We' re watching them.

1120
01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:30.800
Their behavior is aggressive and we have
many chosen. But the most striking

1121
01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:34.680
thing about all this juange is that
in nineteen hundred and thirty- nine,

1122
01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:41.199
when Parra Vichini turned forty- one, this man wrote the following about precisely

1123
01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:45.359
not only this contact, but this
man had a vision I think very special

1124
01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:49.079
about these species of beings coming from
other parts of the Universe, said Parrabichino

1125
01:36:49.159 --> 01:36:55.159
in the following, in a psychographic, will arrive on earth again, extraterrestrial

1126
01:36:55.520 --> 01:37:01.600
beings will arrive in spaceships different from
different planets. They will avoid the mountain

1127
01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:06.600
craters of the Andes and the Patagonian
south. They will live side by side

1128
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:11.880
with human life. They will be
seen and spoken to. And when we

1129
01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:16.640
listen to the craters of the Andes, we remember that there are a lot

1130
01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:23.000
of sightings Juan that are related to
okeades of volcanoes or rú mountains yes,

1131
01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:28.439
a lot Peru, Juan and as
if basically these strange artifacts had the ability

1132
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:32.600
to go inside these mountains. Juanje
sure gave her a lot of messages about

1133
01:37:32.600 --> 01:37:38.319
aliens. If he was obsessing about
it, and it' s true that

1134
01:37:38.399 --> 01:37:46.479
it makes him tremendously famous for his
psychography of the Twin Towers, but of

1135
01:37:46.479 --> 01:37:49.159
extraterrestrials. I' ve got around
here, but a lot of uncle,

1136
01:37:50.239 --> 01:37:56.159
I mean, in a thousand nine
hundred and thirty- eight years. I

1137
01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:59.880
don' t know if nine years
before the term" flying saucer" is

1138
01:37:59.880 --> 01:38:02.359
coined. Yeah, he already wrote
a psychography flying dishes in the world.

1139
01:38:02.680 --> 01:38:05.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and then he totally got up.

1140
01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:11.680
Indeed, in the 1940s they will
reappear on the earth near another world or

1141
01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:15.720
they will be saved from their planets
and will be understood telepathically. In a

1142
01:38:15.760 --> 01:38:20.560
thousand nine hundred and fifty- seven
he speaks of a first woman astronaut.

1143
01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:28.560
I mean, it' s absolutely
brutal. He really gets obsessed that some

1144
01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:32.720
day aliens will come here and,
moreover, that they will be able to

1145
01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:40.680
intervene even before man starts a third
world war because of atomic weapons and before

1146
01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:45.920
finishing one that is amazing to Bichini, he also anticipated the arrival of the

1147
01:38:45.960 --> 01:38:51.119
covid because in a thousand nine hundred
thirty- five and notice the difference of

1148
01:38:51.159 --> 01:38:56.439
years, in a thousand nine hundred
thirty- five he made a psychography and

1149
01:38:56.439 --> 01:39:01.960
put out the following message cold head
and throat will be the beginning of a

1150
01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:06.520
great plague. The last great pandemic
that lived for Viccini in life was the

1151
01:39:06.600 --> 01:39:12.439
Spanish flu in nineteen hundred and eighteen. It does not coincide at the time

1152
01:39:12.479 --> 01:39:15.640
when he created this psychography, in
a thousand nine hundred thirty- five or

1153
01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:20.479
what crazy. Crazy Benjamin Solar and
Parra Biccini. The truth is that all

1154
01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:27.520
a man worthy of study and who, besides, changes his life after that

1155
01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:30.680
obdution that he has right in the
middle of Buenos Aires. We have to

1156
01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:38.199
do some more interviews about this character, Benjamin Solari Parra Bicini. Well,

1157
01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:42.680
gentlemen, we' re getting to
the end of this show. Alejandro Bernán,

1158
01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:45.880
the Virgin and her apparitions, your
conclusion and your close friend. Clearly

1159
01:39:46.079 --> 01:39:50.720
we lacked to address some of the
most important Marian apparitions as a fatima.

1160
01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:55.439
But that' s a program for
it' s a program for Grabandala'

1161
01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:59.159
s fate. It' s in
program for separate programs, because they'

1162
01:39:59.159 --> 01:40:03.439
re impressive cases. But honestly,
Juan Ge left and I was really surprised

1163
01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:10.439
with all the background behind the apparitions
of the Virgin of Guadalupe, the studies

1164
01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:15.159
and others that confirm that what really
happened a few centuries ago in Mexico is

1165
01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:20.800
an echo that resounds to this day. It is impressive and also what we

1166
01:40:20.840 --> 01:40:25.720
talked about with Lourdes Gomez of her
Virgin Tocaya to the Virgin of Lourdes in

1167
01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:29.960
France, really very interesting. These
two cases and we promise you that later

1168
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:33.760
we will dedicate specific programs to both
Fatima and the Virgen de Garabandal and I

1169
01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:38.239
can follow on social networks, on
Instagram, in arroba ale bernal prez con

1170
01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:45.960
les. I do not know why, but that figure appears among us since

1171
01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:50.880
man walks on the face of the
earth, a figure that represents our mother,

1172
01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:56.880
a figure that represents goodness, a
figure that is all light, a

1173
01:40:56.960 --> 01:41:03.880
light capable of determining with darkness how
beautiful it is to go to that in

1174
01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:10.640
places marked by this figure, by
the Virgin, and to face the divine,

1175
01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:15.840
to feel her peace, her goodness, her energy and to know that

1176
01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:21.199
always happens, what happens will be
next to us, exactly as our mother

1177
01:41:21.319 --> 01:41:26.840
always did. And never forget that
we live in a magical world, because

1178
01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:35.760
it is full of mystery