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Actually, hello, everyone. How' s he doing there? My name

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is Juan Jesús Vallejo, his journalist, writer and director of the Mystery Night

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program on Caracol Radio. In this
month of July, the United States unfortunately

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gave us an image that looked like
science fiction. Former President Donald Trump,

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just as he turns his head,
receives an impact on his ear, a

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bullet impact. Secret Service agents throw
it to the ground and I think it

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' s already become iconic worldwide.
The image of Trump, with his face

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bloody fist up high and the flag
of the United States behind. From there

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a whole cascade of events began.
First, Joe Biden said he didn'

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t want to be re- elected
President of the United States of America.

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The character of Kamara Harris, the
Vice President, arises, but above all

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this, something that seems fascinating and
worthy to me that we investigate together the

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incombustible character of Donald Trump, who
has made the phrase never surrender his own,

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never give up and that is that
this man is incombustible. But if

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you want to know much more about
this, don' t miss the last

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mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio Trump
the surviving night and mystery Juan Jesús Vallejo.

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In March of this year, Christian
pastor Brandon Biggs, in an interview

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with another Christian pastor Steve Chocolanti,
commented that he had had a dream,

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I repeat an interview that grew on
a YouTube channel A Brandon Biggs. In

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March of this year he commented that
he had had a dream and in that

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dream he saw the former President of
the United States of America, Donald Trump,

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shot in the Ear, according to
his word, a shot even that

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broke his eardrum. Then he fell
to his knees and began to pray later

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in his sleep. He saw how
Donald Trump was to be elected President of

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the United States of America, becoming
almost an elected, demigod and act.

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After Donald Trump won the election,
the U S was going to face the

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worst economic crisis in its history,
the beginning of a dark age. I

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' m not saying, I'
m saying this gentleman Brandon Biggs, who

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had a dream. The truth is
that a few weeks ago Thomas Matthew Crogs

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shot former President Donald Trump in the
Ear and he got on his knee.

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Basically, I don' t think
he would ever pray that maybe he prayed

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he wouldn' t get shot.
Forty- five seconds took the secret service

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to bring down Thomas Matthew crox En, one of the most nefarious performances of

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the secret service throughout its history.
Then we will comment in detail on this

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program. The truth is, the
image of Donald Trump, with his bloody

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face coming out of the meeting with
the American flag behind him, seemed like

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science fiction. That' s why
some people said if he was rigged that

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if a thousand other things, I
don' t think that' s good.

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Matthew cros the child this truth was
basically a lonely guy, very young,

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without a clear criminal profile, had
never committed any crime and basically with

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forgiveness. From what I' m
going to say, a geek who gave

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him to end the life of former
President Donald Trump. And if Donald Trump,

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even the attack was a movie character, he' s already a movie

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character. But to win the oscar, or the guy, you might like

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him, you might like him,
or you might like him regularly, but

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yes, it' s true that
he' s a guy who' s

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been able to have been bankrupt six
times, he' s outnumbered them six

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times, he' s been President
of the United States of America, when

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everyone laughed at him. It has
reinvented populism, almost leading the United States

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to a civil war conato when it
loses the elections and thousands of people enter

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the Capitol. You can hate him
or you can love him. But this

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slogan of the snow riser never give
up the truth that has made it known

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worldwide, apart from being the President
of the United States of America. S

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In front of easy to be again
to see later in the interview, because

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today' s program we have interviews, like many other programs, for I

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will comment that for me the record
of insulting up to the record of insults

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so far has been when I criticized
Trump for what happened in the Capitol,

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for not having left the chair of
the presidency of the United States very easy

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and beginning to say that there was
a great electoral fraud that could never be

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shown. We' ll also talk
about that on tonight' s show.

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And what happened at the Capitol,
I think, gave the worst image of

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the United States in the last hundred
or hundreds of fifty years. It was

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a very crazy thing and all about
all the characters who were seen passing by

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and that very violent and sad fact. There are media that accuse Donald Trump.

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For example, a team from The
Washington Post. On October 9,

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2000, when Donald Trump was still
President of the United States, they compiled

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thirteen thousand four hundred and thirty-
five false or misleading statements. In nine

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hundred and ninety- three days.
It doesn' t matter what this man

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lies. It doesn' t matter
if he says he' s going to

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make a wall and the Mexicans are
going to pay for it, which,

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of course, isn' t going
to happen. There are people who love

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him, people who love him.
It' s funny, because you know

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I' m doing an author'
s trip. Seventy- seventy- five

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percent of the people who come on
those trips. They' re people from

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the U S and most of them
support Trump and I think that' s

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great. Everyone who supports whoever they
want and maybe this guy likes us,

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we like him bad or regular if
we have to give him a credit.

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People are fed up with conventional politicians
who are always politically correct, who have

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lived their whole lives in a tremendously
inbred political party, as is the case

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with Joe Biden. And this guy' s the opposite. This guy says

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what I tell my friends when I
drink other beers at home. But this

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one says it publicly and is an
entrepreneur who although the company and its knohou

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came from his dad, but who
the guy then knew how to grow as

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an entrepreneur. I mean, the
idiot guy isn' t and now he

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' s become, after the shooting, some sort of demigod. Let'

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s see how far it goes.
This. They may fall in the elections,

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although the polls right now put Kamala
above them. Harris and I keep

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what my American friends say. They
called me Juan ge when Trump was around,

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everything worked better, the economy was
better. And that' s why

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we don' t like what he' s done. Joe Biden doesn'

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t live in the United States,
I don' t get that judgmental capacity,

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but it is true that the future
of the world in the next few

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years, to some extent depends on
whether or not Kamala wins, because one

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thing is the Trump of America,
fairst America, first, and another is

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what happens in the rest of the
world, because the next day, it

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' s going to clear up the
trade war again, China, the European

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Economic Community is not going to have
friends and it creates a rather conflictive world.

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A lot of them will tell me. Tonal Trump has been the only

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President of recent years who never got
into a war. It is not foolish,

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indeed, bombing Syria or the sites
it needed, but he does not

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disembark with troops because he knows that
the dead do not interest him at the

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electoral level. Well, now,
when Joe Biden' s term ends,

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it' s going to be the
only time in history besides that no American

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soldier is going to be at war. Out there, in any kind of

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occupation like Afghanistan, or anything at
all. I hope Trump wins, Kamala

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wins or Gale wins whoever wins the
world is a little bit better, because

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we have a streak in which the
world is increasingly polarized. Every day critical

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thinking is forgotten. More than they' re super right, they' re

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super right. Those who are leftist
are leftist. So, if you on

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the right support Israel, if you
are on the left, you support Palestine.

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But neither one nor the others are
able to read the story of what

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has happened there and perhaps this to
do good, if bad is not so

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easy. And if I tell that
in Israel Palestine, I don' t

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tell you in the case of Ukraine
and Russia. But not reading what they

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tell us. This kind of demigods
like Trump and people follow them. Politics

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went to the background, as Steve
Bannon said, who was a man who

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was an advisor to Donald Trump.
The important thing is no longer politics,

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it' s culture, it'
s the sources you' re drinking,

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it' s the networks you'
re drinking, and what you become is

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all that matters. What matters is
the message, no matter what you'

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re going to do later. You
can lie quietly. Anyway, the way

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the yard is. I tell you
the same thing I tell my wife and

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tell my friends guys. Let us
make ourselves in our bubble and try to

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live happily, because the world does
not understand it and we are recovering hatreds

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that lead us back to the Middle
Ages. So try to be happy.

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Do not forget this critical thinking,
read documentense look at several sources, not

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only a voucher or not the means
of the same bias, but see several

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sources and draw their own conclusions from
what is happening in this world so convulsive

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that no one understands it. It
will again be Mr Trap President of the

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United States of America, controversial businessman, promiscuous and now a demigod. The

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truth is that fate is a mystery. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo.

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What you want to follow me on
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que Vallejo, Juan j Vallejo,
who will urge on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo.

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And this is another show, another
mystery night podcast. And here what

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we do is mystery journalism. We
put the facts on the table and you

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decide what' s behind it and
not today doing an analysis of this that

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has been so viral in the last
few weeks and that we know and see

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what implications it has. You know
I' m doing copyright trips. All

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the information about these copyright trips is
available on the website. Three trips Juan

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Jesús Vallejo as I repeat, Three
trips Juan Jesús Vallejo as September 22 and

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a trip to Egypt. There are
no squares left, Ladies, Thank God,

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this journey was completed that will take
us to the banks of the Nile

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in a small week. On the
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that will be by the end of
April next year, where we will travel

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the old to Andaluz. From Madrid, we will go to Cordoba, Granada,

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Morocco, until we reach the Gnor, to the Sea of Dunas of

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Archedie, to end in Marraques to
experience the magic of the desert, of

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the exoticism of Africa and of a
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of magic of mystery. In a
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on the website and we' ll
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Bernal friend how you are. All
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While you were doing that look, Donald

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Trump' s Joange recalled precisely the
reaction that this man had after the 11s

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attacks And it turns out Juange that
good with all this information tsunami that arose

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after those attacks, they connected with
Donald Trump and what he responded to was

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ah that well, now the Trump
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That' s what he said,
that was the mother who looks like it

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doesn' t have that guy from
this world, who has this Lord Holy

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God, and then ended up being
President. That' s not a fay

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that, that' s proven,
you Holy God. What real barbarity without

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comment is that he' s a
very controversial guy. But there it goes,

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There it goes, and that if
you sleep with actresses, porn that

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if it doesn' t matter,
there it goes because they talk what people

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talk at home. When you have
two beers, no one can say I

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' m sick of illegal immigration,
because I go out on the street and

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get robbed or. Something' s
happened to my daughter. He' s

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a guy without filters. Yeah,
well he says it, he pushes the

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rough and he' s going to
throw them on all those legs, since

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he' s all the Inca.
Then people throw it out clearly, of

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course, because they are the problems
people have, because conventional politicians, like

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they live in that world, which
is a bubble, because they don'

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t forget people. Man, they
forget what' s wrong with people and

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what' s wrong with them.
I think voters think this guy says what

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I think he looks at to make
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Many years ago in Spain there was
a good thing to take a politician,

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a politician who was the President of
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and so that normal people could ask
him questions and a guy asked him a

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question that went super viral. But
you know, this was a complex question

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of economics, he didn' t
tell her. You know how much a

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coffee in a coffee shop costs today, and the guy said sixty cents.

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At that time a coffee didn'
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how connected it is clear because he
always goes with his escorts. He takes

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coffee inside the Congress of Deputies,
which is subsidized for that costs that and

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then he believes that all over the
country a coffee because he hasn' t

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paid for a coffee for three years. Yeah, sure, that' s

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right. We are kids, my
mother, so it' s called the

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ball here in Plan Grandfather Onion,
because we have a debate very much I

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assure you that you will love it
with a lot of experts and the debate

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begins like this, on 13 July
last, the United States gave us again

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an image that looked like it was
taken from a science film, fiction rather

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than reality. It happened to us, unfortunately, on the 11th of September

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of the year two thousand one and
it has happened to us again this 13th

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of July, on this occasion with
a tremendously controversial character who was President of

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the United States of America until a
few years ago, with Al Trump,

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I think it does not need any
kind of presentation that, while speaking and

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because it turns its head miraculously to
the right, dodges a bullet that was

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going straight to him to end his
life and what it does is that it

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punches his ear for history and posterity. His image was left with his bloody

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face fist up high, coming out
cut off by the members of the secret

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service and the American flag behind.
When I saw that image, I could

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only do and remember when I was
here this Christmas, I spent several weeks

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in the United States and they sold
me a magnet for the Fridge with the

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image of Trump that Neville surrender put
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on this guy and look at me. I think the record of insults in

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my journalistic career was when I was
criticized by Trump, when he didn'

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t want to hand over power after
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and the Capitol happened. It'
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criticizing Trump, but I have to
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who likes him well and who doesn' t like him too. The guy

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has a tremendous charisma and, in
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already been a catapult to eternity and
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to happen. She has to resign
the director of the American secret service,

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Kinberley Shattel, and suddenly something that
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President Biden resigned to run for the
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to this, as the shot raised
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is not so his best hours,
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what we' re talking about right
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tremendously viral and here we want to
give the vision of mystery journalism of all

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this. You' ve written a
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program like this, I know a
lot of people will insult me down here

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on YouTube whatever they want on social
media easier. My twitter arroba, Juange

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Vallejo, can insult me or on
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Juan that his valleys reach me the
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there are times when I feel sorry
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you can' t talk about everything
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decide, too, and for you
to think through social media and or post

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comments on YouTube. Here we are
going to speak freely each of you saying

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what comes out of your soul and
analyzing what all this is, what has

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happened and what is about to happen
in the coming weeks, because what has

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happened is going to have more implications
and we start to present all the people

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who are here today as a panelist
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who is the second time she appears
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been on a acquiescing program for people
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Maria Clavisafa, who was Colombian diplomat
Maria Clara of how you are.

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Thank you very much for this invitation. This is a matter of the utmost

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importance, not only for the United
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and we are all very much aware
of what will happen in these elections in

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the United States. Thank you for
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Maria Clara. We also have here
another person who has been on several mystery

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night shows. I don' t
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is the dean of economics at the
Universidad del Bosque. Antonio how you are

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three were already jage. This is
going to be the fourth and good,

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yes and we did that of the
new world order, that of Afghanistan and

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that of artificial intelligence. And nothing, then, a pleasure to be here

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again with you, a very special
greeting to all the listeners of Caracol Radio

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and to those who listen to us
beyond the radio, in podcasts, in

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the digital media that it really is
you who make this program great and leader

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of audience in the Americas. I
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matters of mystery, in matters of
current affairs, and greet all of you,

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John Ge, Mary Clara, which
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Thank you very much for being here
with Rafa, friend Alejandro, also

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there always supporting and yes what you
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Saturday, July 13, this year’ s two thousand and twenty- four.

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I believe that people have not realized
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have been if the tragedy materializes.
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all of us who are talking condemn
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and processes, but I also believe
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could have happened and the dystopian sustainers
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s see talk about those, of
those scenarios of dystopia that sent me a

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while ago in Antonia, Antonio Alonso, sent me a report that has come

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out with artificial intelligence that I was
really in shock and I want and I

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want you to tell me also Rafael
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of mine. It' s the
only one I have to say that I

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' m not able to explain what
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he works with investment funds, with
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never seen him at a bank window. He lived even in the Persian Gulf

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and came to business in the Persian
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this affects the economy and certain geopolitical
sectors better than none. So here'

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s Rafael de Andrés. Good night, how you are and by the way,

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as in total, as in the
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has Rafael de Andrés for the entire
audience of Caracol Ray we will see Rafael

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Andrés. Above all, he is
your friend and from now on also Maria

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Clara, of Antonio, who we
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of the selection. And Alejandro,
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you' re out there wandering around
that this takes place nothing, because joage

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this I' ve been here for
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law. I am a lawyer specializing
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got into the whole issue of financial
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but in the back, that is, in the back, proposing solutions,

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strategies and, above all, efficiencies
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general, since they can of accessibility
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that we have today. And that' s where I' m working with

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investment funds and living in many Latin
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managing sovereign wealth funds. And that
has allowed me to always say that my

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profession is not that of law,
nor of technology, nor of engineering for

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efficiency, but my hobby. And
my profession is curiosity, a curiosity in

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which one tries to apply as much
objectivity as possible, taking away the biases

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and, above all, understanding and
understanding those around me. And here I

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am to provide my grain of sand. Thank you so much, Rafa,

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for giving us this interview and being
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will comment briefly. On July 13, in Pennsylvania, Mr Donal Trump is

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going to give a speech in the
presidential race and a boy named. Thomas

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Matthew Crock was about a hundred and
thirty- eight meters away. He listened

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to a hundred and thirty- eight
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be exact, a rifle that belonged
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rifle, a precision weapon. It
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Okay, he shoots Donald Trump in
a glitch from my point of view,

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on the part of the American secret
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has done that limits. I repeat
Kinder League Charter knew a little bit at

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the beginning of conspiracy, but seeing
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the conspiracy theory, disappeared because he
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He just went online looking for some
things like how many feet the sniper

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shot President Kennedy when he was murdered. But the guy really didn' t

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have a profile much further, but
with forgiveness, so I' m going

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to say to some extent it was
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the Democratic Party was registered as a
Republican, a lonely profile of a disturbed

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person at the beginning of a mental
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but that the American secret service wouldn' t have noticed that he even

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flew a drum for hours before the
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meters. With that ease I'
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conspiracy theories, which I understand.
I believe that they have all disappeared and,

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from my point of view, the
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and also that Antonio tells us about
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If the shot hits Trump and charges
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good. But I want to ask
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that came out practically unharmed simply because
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think he' s benefited from the
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a few months and I think he' s rushed Joe Biden out. That

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' s my opinion, but I' d like to know your clear weed.

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Thank you, John Jesus. If
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the sense that it gives Trump a
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it in his speech to the Republican
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God saved him that means he is
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that, moreover, has a fundamental
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States, that we do not forget. He put President Bush, son in

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power in the election of the seventeenth
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thousand and two. Don' t
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used it in a very smart way. There' ll be other things.

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can look at that later. In
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had already made the decision, but
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that the spotlights were again entered to
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is quite possible that this fact has
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I basically believe is that Trump,
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he said in the Republican Convention my
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a shot in the ear. Okay, so he' s already become

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demigods. And then with all the
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so I have to say one thing
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I know that people know that I
do author trips and you have been with

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me in several of them. Mary
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who come these trips the American,
the vast majority of me, do not

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tell him public nor my customers.
I tell my friends. The vast majority

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of American friends who come to travel, the vast majority are pro tramp and

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support Trump in the following energies.
They say that Bayden left the country Aulao,

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that they came too many without ole
and many of them with good intentions,

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that the economy against was great.
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the American dream, who have come
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behind and worked it out for them. And it' s an opinion that

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I have very much in mind and
that seems, I think, great.

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Me. All the insults came to
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for the Capitol and again criticized him. It was a barbarity, from my

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point of view, that the day
of the country was up to a civil

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war conato, which is absurd for
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in the world. Antonio Alonso.
How you think the present and the future

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have changed the attack back, because
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we' re all still digesting,
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As Maria Clara said, because it
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increase in Donald Trump' s own
confidence. That' s also a dangerous

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thing, because I remember in historical
characters who also had attacks that lost their

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heads a little because they felt touched
by divinity, I don' t mean,

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they already started to feel that they
were the chosen ones. And that,

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then, even emboldened them more Apart
Ado Hiller, with the attack on

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the Walkyria operation, he then radicalized
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the hand of God. It'
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a hundred and thirty- eight meters
I' ll shoot you and give you

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the ear because they turn their heads. Right then, I' d feel

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a little elected, too. Anyway, Antonio Alonso was talking to us about

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what will happen right now in Trump' s mind. He will feel touched

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by the hand of God. An
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it is no less and our debate
continues like this. Francisco Franco also

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had, for let' s say
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he was always saved and then he
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be exact and then, for example, also notice the characters like Lening There

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will also be good forgiveness. The
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on Lenin, because it would happen
that he had shot twenty zero people or

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so around and the joke was fine. But what I have to tell you

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is that it seems to me that, despite all the bad that this assassination

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attempt has been, let' s
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happened also happened, that I didn' t really see a loss of life

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for former president and presidential candidate Donald
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I can' t even imagine what
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what happened, things that appeased the
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sniper had been a Latino immigrant,
that is, it could have been set

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up, as a real disaster at
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States. But I think the conclusion
is the first. It' s obviously

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the feeling that Byden already had the
lost choices and that' s what it

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was. I believe that the already
maximum pressure they have put on him from

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the Democratic Party to withdraw the search
for someone who can really make him live

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up to the measure of the circumstances, such as Kamala Harris, although there

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was even talk of Obama misel and
other characters who could be there also in

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the ointment, but it opens now. I think America' s elections start

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now after this, and it'
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it' s going to suffer in
the coming months. Then we' ll

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analyze it, because notice that the
polls will be giving two points above Trump

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' s Kamala Harry I love polls. I don' t believe it.

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I' m telling you this because
I' ve talked to a lot of

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people in the United States these days
who haven' t wanted me, they

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haven' t wanted any more top
strokes here because they have different issues and,

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for example, people who aren'
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in plot. Then let' s
analyze all the profiles, that of Donald

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Trump, which is a novel,
that of viden that is rather boring,

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and that of Camala Harris will also
analyze it. Alejandro Gnar. Alejandro wanted

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to comment on something yes games before
passing other topics. I think it is

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important to analyze a little the role
of Mathu Creuks, who for me is

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the typical scapegoat, as we would
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of Turkish, as you would say
in Spain, a boy who suffered from

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Bullyin, a chipo that was disturbed, but for me it was used in

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some way by Trump' s campaign
to give him more popularity. You have

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to remember that before the attack,
or run away they' re going to

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00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:07.159
take Wich out. He told him
that football infas with dramas as if someone

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00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.119
had paid for it on the part
of the cheating campaign that shot him in

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00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:15.960
the ear. It is that there
are two theories of Jange conspiracy in this

417
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.719
respect and so pro- Trump and
anti- Trump. The foal Protrump states

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00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.360
that before the attack last Saturday,
July 13, Trump had a popularity of

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00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:28.880
more than sixty- five percent.
After the attack exceeded seventy and seventy-

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00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.920
five percent, that is to say, it had a considerable rise and the

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00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:37.320
conspiracy theory against Trump establishes and this
you can look for on YouTube, dear

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00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.760
listeners, Mr Mathu Crks, the
boy who carried out the attack, was

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00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.880
released a year ago in an official
video of Black Rock, one of the

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00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:50.119
most important investment funds in the world, with assets of ten trillion dollars a

425
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.880
year, billions with donkey b.
It turns out that this guy, Matho

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00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.039
Cruz, came out in the foreground
in one of these videos, the guy

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00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:04.039
who made the attack, and the
conspiracy theory that Antitrump is established about it

428
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:09.000
is that maybe Black Rock used this
guy to carry out this attack, because

429
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:14.159
black Rock has clear interests in the
war between Russia and Ukraine, being one

430
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:21.039
of the main economic advisors to the
Selenski government and black Rock would really be

431
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.880
very interested in this conflict going on
and they would see at risk that the

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00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:30.039
war would continue, because Trump is
one of the candidates who has said that

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00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.559
this conflict would end if he came
to power. He reiterated the two conspiracy

434
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:36.079
theories that right now is always that
I love that you said this, Alejandro,

435
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:40.639
so we can see this from the
Internet in the milk. People lost

436
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.800
confidence in the conventional medium and are
reported through reverse and through different let'

437
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.480
s say group. It already leads
me to say blog, the Blah Blah

438
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.280
Blog is already more reported by tiktok
and tata story, and that' s

439
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:57.800
what people are talking about. And
that' s reality. Antonio, I

440
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.679
wouldn' t be talking and then
he goes to Rafa Andrés if he just

441
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.599
comments and complements Alejandro, I'
m not going to mess with this is

442
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.280
conspiracy or not, because it'
s a quicksand that and I think both

443
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.679
are fake. I mean. I
think gent El Chaval is a freak but

444
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.679
a freak who suffered from Willy'
s more lonely and more boring and suddenly

445
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:20.440
I thought that man was going to
pass to posterity and went to try to

446
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.119
shoot him. I don' t
think I believe it, but we have

447
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.679
to tell because we' re talking
about it. But I have to tell

448
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:30.880
you and I recognize that when I
saw the news, the first, the

449
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.639
first hour I saw the frames and
the news, I had a lot of

450
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.880
fake flag operation dye, that is, you saw Trump there getting hurt with

451
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.800
the American flag behind him and saying
that this is a Hollywood movie, like

452
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.960
when the president at Independence Day raises
his sixteen to fight the Abengines. You

453
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:53.480
know, what' s an overdoing
well done thing, and that' s

454
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:59.280
why I thought it was a fake
flag operation, but they kill the sniper

455
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:00.920
right away so he doesn' t
testify, so we don' t know

456
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.159
who' s behind it. You
get into that and you say, but

457
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:08.880
then it' s true that you' re seeing and really, because it

458
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.840
was I hope it was, because
that was a chain of security flaws,

459
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.760
a guy who was a lone balloon, who tried to do the best martyr

460
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:21.400
back, etcetera, etcetera. But
if it was so ridiculous Antonio, that

461
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.719
when they shoot him in the ear, apart from that it takes several seconds

462
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:29.679
to answer them from the secret service
that it seems that he does not find

463
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:34.039
out, they did not wear a
bulletproof cape, that all the presidents go

464
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.719
the bulletproof capes that happens anything loose
in the cape and already cover the sides.

465
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.800
Not even the secret service of the
United States of America. I mean,

466
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.039
it' s serious the other day
it went viral The image of again

467
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.440
is after the attack that' s
going to get into an armored car,

468
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:54.760
a secret service security agent takes a
minute to wrap up the gun like a

469
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:59.079
minute in the comments. Everybody laughs
dead. Or it' s serious that

470
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.639
this lady belongs to the secret service
and she' s nervous and doesn'

471
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.840
t know how to keep her gun. So they record it all is that

472
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.639
in life, in addition to being
good, you have to look it And

473
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:15.639
this has not seemed it, but
at all rafa before using the word of

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00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.239
rafa, I also called clear some
videos that became very viral on Tiktok,

475
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.719
on Instagram, social media minorities of
people who attended Trump' s rally that

476
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:27.960
had alerted the local police that they
had seen male Cruff lying on a roof

477
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.119
more than 130 meters and the cops
and nobody did anything when clearly there was

478
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:37.400
a guy who was, because in
position to shoot. Jorge is not brutal

479
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:42.559
to be correct, he fired eight
shots and was shot at forty- five

480
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.760
seconds after the first shot. That
is, at least the secret service does

481
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.039
not work, but the Franks shooters
of the secret service still have good aim

482
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.440
because from one shot to the poor, they passed it to the better life.

483
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:59.719
Rafael Andrés' s science, fiction
film, but it' s real

484
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.840
and how it does this to us, how this is going to affect the

485
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.159
next few months in the United States
worldwide, with all the movements that are

486
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:12.400
happening. Yes, and I thank
you because, dear fellows, I'

487
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.800
m going to do a little bit
of counterpoint to all your opinions. This

488
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:21.039
is what we' re talking about. It is something new, a turning

489
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:28.519
point in the race towards the Presidency, but we have a record. Apart

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00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:37.280
from the fact that magnicide in the
United States is a sport for the last

491
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:44.880
few centuries, I want to remind
you that this has happened in the year

492
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:50.519
twelve thousand twelve with Teddy Roosevelt,
just when he was in a meeting he

493
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:55.559
was shot. The man endured until
the last word of his speech. Fortunately,

494
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.800
the file of leaflets remains more than
fifty bullets, but the man stood

495
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:09.760
still finishing his speech. Teddy Roosvell
came from the Republican Party and at five

496
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:22.199
months was the election and lost,
so that background exists, even exists in

497
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:30.599
a photograph with the bars and stars
right behind Teddy Roosvell following his speech in

498
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:36.639
a regular way and very similar to
what has happened to us lately with Donald

499
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:45.480
Trump. On the other hand,
I will comment on another counterpoint. There

500
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:52.199
was also a mental derangement in the
eighties and one that shot with glare at

501
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:59.119
that one. Fortunately, there was
a trial and his modus operandi or,

502
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:07.320
his motivation was given because he wanted
to make himself stand out in front of

503
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:15.800
a girlfriend, a girlfriend named Judy
Foster, and that' s where there

504
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.880
' s a record. And honestly, while there is a turning point in

505
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.639
this race, the year two thousand
twenty- four, not everything is won

506
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:29.920
and not all is lost. And
I think honestly, Donald Trump is not

507
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:32.119
going to win votes. What I
can say is that it will guarantee the

508
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:37.639
votes it already had, because if
we are talking about a polarized society,

509
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.320
the one who is a believer,
an ideology like Donald Trump' s,

510
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.480
the trapping that, if you want, then we talk about all that,

511
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:52.880
what it means, I honestly think
that it will not add votes. What

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00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:54.000
he' s gonna do is he' s not gonna lose any of the

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00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:59.920
ones he already had. Cementally,
in agreement with you and with respect to

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00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:06.760
country, I agree that man was
waiting against his will, because a person

515
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:14.360
of those ages Psychongia had a budding
esennil dementia. Unfortunately, I have lived

516
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:17.559
it, I have lived it in
my house and the last person who realizes

517
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:22.119
his situation is the sick one himself, with which he has already been forced,

518
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:28.519
but not because he believed he had
to leave, but because the people,

519
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:34.079
the surroundings of his party, have
forced him. That' s my

520
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.440
opinion. Ready then let' s
analyze that which I want to analyze with

521
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:42.000
you, but to see how I
think to a certain extent like rafa or

522
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.320
be good, like the United States, has a problem with all the people

523
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.320
who come to kill the President,
who do not know how many attentive or

524
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.760
they are going the subject, which
is the next not the attack is going

525
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.840
to make that, obviously, does
not lose well only Republican vote the issue

526
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:59.960
in the people who had undecided to
see a ban seeing a viden forgiveness.

527
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:01.800
With these problems it has to be
said clearly that from the point of view,

528
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.840
they were already of a bit of
senile dementia. Or that, from

529
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.679
my point of view, it is
a barbarity that the most powerful nation in

530
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:14.039
the world the lí of a man
of eighty- one years with a very

531
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.440
delicate health, when it is a
job that would force you to work fourteen

532
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.280
hours a day. I think that
when he was eighty- one years old

533
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.679
and as he was, he wasn' t enough to work fourteen hours a

534
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:23.880
day. But, anyway, I
think the genils are the thing with the

535
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:30.519
Economists magazine when they pulled out the
cover where a walker with the big label

536
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.000
of the United States was seen saying. But this is crazy. A lord

537
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.719
of seventy- eight and another eighty- one who seem the two ten milestones

538
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:43.440
of the mupples, of the teleñecos
told him in Spain. I' m

539
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.119
fighting each other. It was such
an absurd thing. I' m going

540
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:50.159
to make a little look at Donald
Trump now, and I want your opinion

541
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.519
of Donald Trump. See, this
guy likes the guy who likes it and

542
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.480
the guy who doesn' t.
I haven' t criticized him several times,

543
00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.599
but the guy has a movie life
and he' s a novel character.

544
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.000
To see this, gentlemen of German
and Scottish descent, his four grandparents

545
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.800
were born outside the United States of
America, the son of Fred Trump,

546
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:14.000
who is one of the people who
had the largest number of real estate businesses

547
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:19.280
in New York City at the age
of thirteen, taking him out of school

548
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.000
for being a child, a bit
of a bad boy, and sending him

549
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.599
to a military academy. Father sent
him a military room to give him a

550
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:34.159
hard hand and then he ended up
getting a degree in economics the good guy,

551
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.159
because, as a businessman, I
think he has been brilliant, but

552
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.280
attentive, for example, to this
fact. He has been between the years

553
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:46.079
nine hundred and ninety- one and
two thousand six times without bankruptcy six times

554
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.760
and recovered. I mean, he' s an idiot, he doesn'

555
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:52.280
t do it from the point of
view, he' s the dumb guy.

556
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.519
It' s not. Then the
TV character. He appeared on TV

557
00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:02.400
shows also appeared as a character.
That' s where I' ll say

558
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:07.719
it. In American wrestling he loves
to go watch boxing fights and he loves

559
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:14.519
to go watch mixed martial arts fights
and, well, the funniest thing about

560
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.679
Trump. I think it is the
subject of the trials followed by Italy and

561
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:22.880
all its scandals. A few months
ago he was sentenced to thirty- four

562
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:29.119
counts for counterfeiting commercial records. But
of course, now we analyze crime,

563
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:31.079
now see the insults and how controversial
this is going to be. The crime

564
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:36.400
was that he had sex with these
Midanies, with a lady who was one

565
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:40.519
for not being there and paid him$ 130, 000 to shut up and

566
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:47.480
count absolutely nothing. So the whole
mess we were going through with Stormi Daniels

567
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:52.400
and I think there' s a
certain American and even global sector that says

568
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.360
it' s okay, because the
gentleman is a pig. A lot of

569
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.840
money is spent on sex with porn
actresses, but, well, that'

570
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.079
s not a big crime either,
because whoever wants to pay for sex if

571
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:06.599
he has a lot of money,
the important thing is the woman. Whatever

572
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.519
I say no, because here,
in Colombia we had a scandal a couple

573
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.559
of years ago to exonerate with the
lady. I don' t remember this

574
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.440
one. How I know his name
Alexander you remember this one who escaped from

575
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:19.199
jail or Maria Clara, what his
name was I don' t remember anymore.

576
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.920
Anyway, they took out all the
chats and that' s a very

577
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.559
famous Colombian politician, mayor of Barranquilla
and such, but good. I think

578
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.639
the problem was with the woman whether
she can stand her horns or not,

579
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.760
but make it a problem one day. I don' t think then one

580
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:36.559
more thing of grace, other crimes
of Donald Trump, good crime forgiveness.

581
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:40.039
This is the only crime for which
he is convicted, although the sentence comes

582
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:44.840
out on September 18th, it is
for the payment of$ 130, 000

583
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:52.280
to this actress Porno Estormidaniels. Then
he has another judgment that is a gesture

584
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.719
that forgives. But it' s
just that I' m so glad you

585
00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:58.440
took classified documents to your house.
I mean, he left the presidency of

586
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:02.519
the United States and the guy.
He took a lot of classified documents,

587
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:07.239
more than a hundred documents to his
Florida mansion, because to read the documents,

588
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.960
when he watched TV on the weekend
the DFBs arrived and his documents,

589
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.400
which he has in. Well,
one of the charges is even espionage,

590
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.159
I mean, he' s got, like, seven or eight counts.

591
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:22.760
For this one for this story.
And the most serious thing for me,

592
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:27.599
the most serious that is also pending
trial, is the interference in the elections

593
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.719
in the year two thousand twenty,
for not wanting to leave power and see

594
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:32.440
what relationship it has or does not
have for what happened in the Capitol.

595
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:37.280
Then, when you read Baiden'
s biography, you' re going to

596
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.440
be bored that Vaiden, the best
President has done better things. I'

597
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:45.760
m gonna say no. But as
a character of novel and film and I

598
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:51.119
think people are getting bored of conventional
politicians. If you want movie characters,

599
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.440
Trump is the winner. That from
the point of view, there' s

600
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:58.880
no turning around. Then, on
a geopolitical level that I would like Maria

601
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.440
Clara' s opinion. We are
now moving away from the Paris agreements on

602
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.199
climate change. He says he doesn' t give a shit. Finish the

603
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:12.199
Transpacific Association and send it all away. The shit that' s parrot is

604
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.679
the border. He tells Mexicans they
have to make a wall and pay for

605
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:20.119
it and pay for it. They
enter into trade war with China, enter

606
00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:22.920
into trade war with the European Economic
Community. What I' m clear about

607
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:28.119
is that if Trump comes to power
in America, it' s quite possible

608
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.159
for people to love him and do
very good things. But at the global

609
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:38.679
geopolitical level, that is, it
is the world in continuous conflict. Let

610
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:42.400
' s start with Maria Clara what
you think of this Donald Trump character,

611
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.840
which is a question that goes to
you to answer seven hours, but well,

612
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:50.719
try to be brief. I'
ll try, but I want to

613
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.519
refer to the subject of the attack. And there' s something that makes

614
00:50:53.760 --> 00:51:05.559
conspiracy theories come up everywhere. And
it is that the secret service of the

615
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:12.039
United States, its director, when
they called her to testify before the American

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00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:19.719
Congress, did not want to give
any information. So, when you have

617
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:27.119
this amount of secrecy at the state
level, what you do is inspire conspiracy

618
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:31.159
theories. That is not true,
because, moreover, her career was linked

619
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:37.079
to that of Jobiden. Of course, for so many years. She was

620
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:40.000
Baden' s chief of security when
she was vice president, which made Bayden

621
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.000
offend her now. Then it also
gives this copilation opiatories. I didn'

622
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:45.880
t know that, but I think
it' s brutal. How can you

623
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.199
not tell the congressmen of the United
States of America that I keep the data

624
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.679
that beast of carto. He didn' t give any information. It'

625
00:51:53.840 --> 00:52:00.880
s all secret. Nothing came out. They haven' t found anything In

626
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:13.400
connection with one of the first ones, let' s say Trump' s

627
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:19.840
reactions to having gone out Ileso was
the Vice President' s choice to accompany

628
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:28.880
him in this election campaign. She
is an absolute election I would say personalist,

629
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:40.199
not even partisan, because this Vice
President, j Davans is going to

630
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:47.800
be his successor in the movement of
America great Amen that is called maca.

631
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:55.920
Let' s say maca. He
then chooses a Vice President who doesn'

632
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:06.159
t care if he takes more votes
or doesn' t choose a Vice President

633
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.079
who follows his movement so that he
can continue to rule behind the scenes when

634
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:12.320
he' s eighty- two and
eighty- three and eighty- four.

635
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:22.719
I think that' s a strategic
mistake, but we' ll see how

636
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.599
it works for the world now.
To tell you before you cheat the world

637
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:29.800
and so hear what a good analysis
that does. I didn' t know

638
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:34.800
about this vice president' s profile
and trying to perpetuate himself, even remembering

639
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.679
to leave the White House. This
good guy, the guy' s a

640
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:38.719
genius. Then you can already like
it right or wrong or regular, but

641
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:45.960
the guy' s amazing. I
am sorry, Mary, that your personal

642
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:50.400
project in relation to the world is
clear, because we have seen the reaction

643
00:53:50.400 --> 00:54:01.280
of, for example, the Europeans, who are really concerned, because one

644
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:08.239
of Trump' s main struggles is
that he believes that Europe has to manage

645
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:16.719
its own security and that Russia can
do whatever it wants in Ukraine and that

646
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:22.719
there are them then that causes enormous
fears in NATO. Let us imagine,

647
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:29.559
for example, small countries such as
Estonia, Lithuania or Finland itself, which

648
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:38.480
are on the border with Russia,
remaining at the mercy of Russia. And

649
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.079
that' s the big deal.
The big problem in Europe right now is

650
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.840
a concern of sgana Trump that if
he cuts off the aid, the military

651
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:53.320
aid to Ukraine, Europe has to
get up to speed, because if not,

652
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:59.559
the war can reach the border with
all the countries of the East,

653
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.639
with Poland, with Romania, such
and that would be a tremendous problem.

654
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:10.760
Apart from Europe seeing genocide in the
21st century of millions of people, it

655
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:16.320
is also not a trivial issue.
But anyway, this world that is this

656
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:24.440
complex and that there are more and
more dark characters. So very complicated and

657
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:30.079
we were talking that one thing is
trum in the United States and how it

658
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.960
works in the United States and in
domestic politics, that you can shit a

659
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:39.000
lot right and wrong, like any
human being, but globally, at a

660
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:42.760
geopolitical level. Trump, if he
is a person who is very concerned,

661
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:46.800
for example, with strategic allies of
the United States of America as usual,

662
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:53.440
as is, for example, the
European Economic Community, he does care very

663
00:55:53.559 --> 00:56:00.599
much about his ideas that Fars America
and leave Europe alone with the problem of

664
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:02.039
Russia and the Ukrainian invasion. And
anyway, and the debate we were having

665
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:08.480
continues like this. So that'
s a problem for the world. The

666
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:19.159
other issue is the issue of the
Middle East. We have seen the problem

667
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:27.840
that Byden has had because he supports
Israel. Then he took his vows in

668
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:31.039
Michigan, because there are a lot
of people in the Arab community there.

669
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:39.239
So, what Trump' s support
for Netanyahu would be like, among others.

670
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:46.840
He was in the U S Congress
today giving a speech where he was

671
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:53.960
applauded inside and rejected outside. What
that policy would be like and what it

672
00:56:54.039 --> 00:57:01.440
means in terms, for example,
of Iran or in terms of geopolitics in

673
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:10.400
the Middle East. Then it'
s a question to the future, I

674
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.039
' d say, and now,
look at you. I want to comment

675
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.440
on a couple of things and,
please, let this be a chat that

676
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:22.000
speaks Antonio raffa Alejandro speaks when you
want. Indeed, Europe is very concerned

677
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.920
that if this type cuts aid to
Ukraine, Ukraine may fall into Russian advance

678
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:31.840
and will not put war on Europe' s border. It is also true

679
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:37.239
that Europe is increasingly divided with a
urband victor who heads the third ultra-

680
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:43.079
right European political force that is also
a putting colleague. You' re going

681
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.480
to see it and so and in
the absurd things Marie Pen also and notice

682
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:52.320
that even the far right European split
because Meloni, for example, is neither

683
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.480
friends of Puting nor interested. But
it is true that it is very sad

684
00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:01.880
that Europeans are not really able to
unite and put a stop to the Russian

685
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:05.760
advance, because if there is genocide, that is, if Russia breaks the

686
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:10.119
border right now from the war front, that is, genocide is going to

687
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:14.719
be as brutal as what we saw
in Bucha as what happened in Bucha is

688
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:17.320
worth it is already both the official
documents of everything that many United Nations investigations

689
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:23.039
are going through. I mean,
it' s going to be a massacre,

690
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:27.800
as few have seen in history.
But Europe is the same as the

691
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:30.199
United States. Fight half of Europe
on the one hand, half of Europe

692
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:35.039
on the other hand, and they
don' t agree on night then trade

693
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.360
wars are there. Not with Netanjafu, my opinion, he' s going

694
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.119
to be a super colleague of his. But if I fail the one that

695
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:44.599
the American embassy put in Jerusalem,
then, from the point of view,

696
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:51.239
it is super pro- Jewish.
It is clear that good Israelis have very

697
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:55.760
important global financial contacts and he is
an entrepreneur. He' s not going

698
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.159
to have any trouble or temper the
course, the pulse with that, but

699
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:06.480
I' d like to rappa Yes, to see perfect. I' m

700
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:12.119
going to be very brief and I' m going to answer the question you

701
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.760
asked, but I love Mary clearly
that you have the diplomatic subtlety that characterizes

702
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:22.159
you. You' ve dealt cards
this way and I' m going to

703
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:28.119
link one thing to the other.
This for me, Trump for me is

704
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:32.440
you were saying what your profile is. Trump is a nationalist, populist,

705
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:37.960
he is a pragmatic, he is
a person who falls a hundred times and

706
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:43.039
rises a hundred times and that leads
him to an internal situation of swallowing,

707
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:49.000
as we say in Spain, in
which he has to be the protagonist of

708
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.639
everything and everything. What' s
wrong with Trump? Trump did a very

709
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:59.360
good thing for him, which was
to bring together general discontent, and usually

710
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:07.840
populisms in general, and this populist
nationalist said how I can bring together simple

711
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:14.079
solutions to complex problems. What do
I do hey, I' m gonna

712
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:15.480
make up, I' m gonna
make a whole world of Mexico' s

713
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:22.559
border. It is not a solution, but it came to accept or capture

714
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:30.599
that voter exchange that was inconsistent with
the political system, with which it has

715
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:37.000
already managed to be noticed first,
because its life is to be noticed What

716
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.400
is happening to it, because of
course it has created or founded a new

717
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.639
ideology. And right now I could
say, after the Convention of the eighteenth

718
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:51.159
day, that republicanism, as we
knew it, has become a trapping,

719
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:57.039
with which Republicans have ceased to have
their own ideology but any ideology needs a

720
01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:02.880
thinker, and is not a thinker, is a pragmatic person. And there

721
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:08.880
is the figure of this j of
Paints, who is the ideologist who is

722
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:15.320
going to give spirit to the ideology
that Trump has created. And it is

723
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:20.480
for me that it is already a
before and after understanding American politics, as

724
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:25.840
we have seen in recent years.
I don' t know if I'

725
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:29.679
ve answered everything a little. Don' t give it away from the vaporte

726
01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:34.239
of everything and I think you'
ve done a great reflection or the Party

727
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:38.920
of the Republic hasn' t gone
to see it another wheel to an extreme

728
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:40.639
nationalist right, because Tumbism is what
works and then look. I want to

729
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:44.599
add one thing before I give them. I think Antonio Alonso wanted to talk.

730
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.000
I want year would do one thing
notice. If they' re ready,

731
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:49.960
all Republicans are going to tell you
the same thing. All my American

732
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:52.679
friends call me the same. People
criticize Trump, but Traga is the first

733
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.440
one that hasn' t gotten us
into a war. If you have to

734
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:59.880
bomb Syria A, bomb Syria,
if you have to bomb Ilambo, bomb

735
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:04.320
Aira, but you won' t
let soldiers go if they get in there

736
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.360
and have casualties. He' s
not going to allow it, because it

737
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:07.840
' s something that' s very
popular. The guy' s very smart.

738
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:13.760
That we' re smart enough to
be the truth. That' s

739
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:20.079
right, Antonio Alonso Dríanal, because
you' ve said other things I wouldn

740
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.199
' t know why I' m
afraid to start. I' d like

741
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:30.559
a little touch on what Juan gea
has started saying before and it' s

742
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.960
the Trump character. He' s
a character with Trump no longer matters so

743
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.119
much the message matters, Trump'
s messenger. You expect spectacle, you

744
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.920
expect controversy and we are in a
society that, unfortunately, pays for that

745
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.440
and that is what brings it the
most value. So, there Trump moves

746
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:51.920
like a fish in the water,
in that show, in that sensationalism,

747
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:55.559
notice that Trump is laughing at thanks, that is to say to give you

748
01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:00.239
an idea. The case of Estorm
Daniels' film actress for light, and

749
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.400
what Trump is being accused of is
not having paid the actress$ 130,

750
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:09.000
000, is that she recorded it
as an expense of her company. That

751
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:15.360
bribe is wrong for a dean of
administrative economics to say this, but that

752
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:19.960
' s an accounting error. One
agrees, that is, how you'

753
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:22.840
re going to record representation expenses a
bribe for God' s sake. So

754
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:29.360
what you realize is that even and
then they ask him not is because the

755
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.679
prosecutor is leftist. He' s
a convinced Democrat. I don' t

756
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:36.159
know what he means. What he
does is pure and hard show. All

757
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:43.400
right and unfortunately, what has happened
in many societies spoke Spain, Colombia,

758
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:50.239
Argentina, El Salvador, Nicaragua,
is that these profiles today are in fashion,

759
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:57.800
those profiles that are absolutely strong communicators
that if you have to go out

760
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:00.760
with a chainsaw saying that I will
cut to, because it comes out,

761
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:03.760
and that likes and that wins photos
worth. Then. That' s where

762
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:08.360
we got here. And to that
he has joined, for he has added

763
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:15.159
that, unfortunately, Vaiden is a
personality that has proved to be very weak

764
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.719
and increasingly weak. I mean,
and it' s and it' s

765
01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:25.760
curious, because the economic situation in
the United States could be said to be

766
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:27.440
good, that is, economically.
I mean, uh, economically, unemployment

767
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.239
has dropped to three point seven levels, growth in the last year two point

768
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:33.719
five, inflation, which was at
nine percent levels now is at three and

769
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:36.760
a half, that is, economically, it' s, it' s,

770
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:40.880
it' s, it' s, it' s coming out,

771
01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:45.199
but what' s going on with
perception today. It' s perception,

772
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:46.880
I mean, you don' t
just have to be honest, as John

773
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:48.960
Jesus said, you have to look
like it. And what' s happening

774
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:53.039
is that the perception of Americans,
which is quite a disaster. All right,

775
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:58.480
look at the migratory migar crisis,
which we were talking about is selling

776
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.679
the issue a lot, for example, also about what' s going on

777
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:06.079
with the centanillo crisis, where there
are neighborhoods in the United States that appear

778
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:10.320
walking dead is zombies walking around looking
for the next dose. The subject of

779
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:15.800
foreign policy, for example. Biden
was a person who had pay on foreign

780
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:19.920
policy issues. What happened to Afghanistan, the disaster. That was America'

781
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:26.239
s second Vietnam in this century.
Forgiveness of the last century has been a

782
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:30.480
Vietnam of this century. The subject
of the negotiation with Iran, for example,

783
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:32.039
the subject you have discussed. I
mean, I' m convinced that

784
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.880
Biden was able to avoid the war
in Ukraine. It was in his hand

785
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:39.360
to avoid the war in Ukraine and
see now what will last that war and

786
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:43.960
the dead they will have and many
things before. I think what I think

787
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.079
is that hunger has come together with
the desire to eat a politician who I

788
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:50.000
already think was in low hours and
who in the end had to bow Biden

789
01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:55.920
and a person who feels like Pepilawa, as pé in the water with the

790
01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:00.480
current society, that what they want
is often pani zircon yes. This excuses

791
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:05.880
two seconds. It' s just
that Antonio, dear friend, if I

792
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:11.719
don' t say it by checking, uh, this isn' t an

793
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.760
accounting violation, it' s creative
accounting. What made accounting engineering say out

794
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:20.800
there exactly forgive me if I don' t say it here I go,

795
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:28.559
but that it' s very good
performance casts the bribe for this one to

796
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:30.360
shut up. Yeah, he'
s a movie character. It is a

797
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:35.280
character that is what people of immediatic
character want today. We were talking about

798
01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:40.960
it before we started this debate.
Absolutely no one reads the political points of

799
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.480
an electoral program. Why, because
people know that then don' t put

800
01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:46.199
it together. Not then, in
the end you marry the person and already

801
01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:51.360
far away win, although two little
things when I spoke to you dedio alex

802
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:55.880
char the woman who was in prison. It was there that gave merlano to

803
01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:59.719
make the correction and about Trump.
For me he' s a guy who

804
01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:01.400
totally breaks the sk He' s
not from the traditional politician. It'

805
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:06.199
s a rockstar, a kind of
media, a kind of actions before ideas

806
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:12.719
and for me it fits very well
with the mentality that the American voter is

807
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:15.880
currently looking for in this case.
They' re looking for a guy who

808
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:18.159
got him out a guy who does
things and from that point of view,

809
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:23.440
Trump is the one who has the
most elements to make the election in the

810
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:25.800
upcoming elections. Or ge, but
look, the guy' s so smart

811
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:29.280
he' s the first politician to
really use big data. With all the

812
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:33.519
scandal that later happened with Ken Bris
analytics uses big data. He knows where

813
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:36.440
through big data, the data that
from the trail we leave on the Internet,

814
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:40.440
he knows what he doesn' t
have to spend money on, that

815
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:43.760
it' s the people who are
going to vote for him, or he

816
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:48.599
' s clear, but he attacks
the indecisive and he creates a lot of

817
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.159
fake news so that the undecided get
scared of the Democrats and vote for the

818
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:55.480
Republicans. And he works it ah
and because he knows that half the world

819
01:07:55.480 --> 01:08:00.400
' s population doesn' t see
or read news anymore. He' s

820
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:05.159
interested in the media, too,
polarized. Then it' s a very,

821
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:10.840
very absurd thing. But the very
smart guy, very smart how he

822
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:15.400
used it and how he became President
of the United States. That' s

823
01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:16.479
what I wanted to say to you, Antonio, about what they said in

824
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:19.720
the lithia. Yeah, not a
little complement to what you' re saying.

825
01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:27.479
And it is so in the elections
that there were before Vite' s

826
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:30.960
hiring them from Hillar and Hire that
Trump won, which by the way,

827
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.399
won with three million fewer votes than
Hillar. That, too, must be

828
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:39.319
said. But because of the electoral
system, which is committed, basically what

829
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:43.760
happens is that in the United States, each state, when one of the

830
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:47.760
parties wins, takes all the pledges. There is no proportionality and what they

831
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:53.760
did with this company to Cambridge analytics, a British company, was precisely to

832
01:08:54.640 --> 01:09:00.880
take advantage of what could be done
by saying that with Facebook' s beneplephyte,

833
01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:08.000
the data of millions of voters in
the United States and what you said,

834
01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:11.039
that is, I am not going
to spend money on states that are

835
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:15.479
already there, because the results are
clear. The Republicans are going to win

836
01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:17.119
here. Here I am going to
the undecided, which are going to be

837
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:19.520
the hinged States, they are going
to be the ones that will surely follow.

838
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:27.600
Or take me to the presidency and
there began a micro- segmentation identifying

839
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:30.439
the undecided voters. Because what all
of you who listen to us need to

840
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:34.760
know is that Facebook knows more about
your personality than you know yourself. I

841
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:40.279
mean, Facebook knows if you miss
the love of your life, because you

842
01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:45.920
' re coming in and seeing their
photos to which friends you have the most

843
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:47.760
affinity, which political party you'
re going to vote for in the next

844
01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:49.279
elections, what you think all that
knows about your behavior. Precisely and that

845
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:54.880
happens also in other networks, then
they saw those undecided voters and began to

846
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:59.039
release all the garbage they could pull
and to and to enlarge. O O

847
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.760
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

848
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:05.720
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

849
01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:10.920
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

850
01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

851
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
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O O O O O O O O

852
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

853
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

854
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

855
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

856
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

857
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

858
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

859
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

860
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

861
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

862
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

863
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

864
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

865
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

866
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

867
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

868
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

869
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

870
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

871
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

872
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

873
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

874
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

875
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

876
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

877
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

878
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

879
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:12.960
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O O O

880
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:13.920
O O O O O O O
O O O O O O And that

881
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.399
' s what happened. He won
in the end in those states that were

882
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:20.239
undecided, Trump won and Trump was
president and process. Precisely that is also

883
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:27.199
a fact that could change the contemporary
history of a country like the United States

884
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:30.600
and got into many more analytical fields, they were in Brexit here in Colombia

885
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:39.039
with the subject of the peace agreement
of the vote that there was. They

886
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:45.680
have been making changes in political elections
and manipulating masses, and even Mark Zuckenberg

887
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:49.640
himself had to go and declare to
the British Parliament for all that. I

888
01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:54.800
mean, the implications were very serious. Yes, they were very serious.

889
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:57.399
And notice that what was done in
the end is legal, but it'

890
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:00.640
s as different as it' s
ethical and then the fake news to this

891
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:03.239
day, which is that it has
no background. But Mary clearly, how

892
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:10.399
is it possible, why the U
S electoral system is so complex How Donald

893
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:16.239
Trump may win the elections with two
million less good votes. That is a

894
01:11:16.399 --> 01:11:30.000
scheme, first, very old and, second, based on trust building.

895
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:45.439
Then the system functions as an indirect
representative democracy, in which when one votes

896
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:53.439
for a presidential candidate, it is
not the governor of that state who tells

897
01:11:53.560 --> 01:12:03.520
me who won, but they are
voters that each party puts in that state

898
01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:10.119
and that are those who, really, by the trust that there is in

899
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:17.039
them, will say here won full
and I represent it. Then it'

900
01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:23.399
s a matter of trust. It
is also a somewhat elitist subject, because

901
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:34.439
an elector is not anyone, he
is a person who represents me, because

902
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:38.520
he shares my ideas, because he
knows how to read and write. At

903
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:44.760
that time, let us remember that
there was neither a female vote nor the

904
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:49.760
vote of other communities other than the
white ones. Besides, it was horse

905
01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:58.600
that carried the votes. The votes
must then be understood from that point of

906
01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:03.439
view. But it is more complicated
than that, because each state has the

907
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:11.680
right, according to its population,
to a number of electors. So,

908
01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:17.760
that' s why it' s
the horitical struggle for Pennsylvania, because it

909
01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:23.359
' s that Pensylvania, for example, has twenty readers. Michigan has sixteen

910
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:29.479
Winsconsin is ten. And this is
what swing states are called, and I

911
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.600
call them. In the hinged or
purple states, where you sometimes vote for

912
01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:42.439
one party and sometimes for another,
then your fight is not what part of

913
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:47.680
the population in general is going to
vote for one candidate or another, as

914
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:54.720
is the case in Colombia. Half
plus one of all voters is not how

915
01:13:54.960 --> 01:14:02.640
many voters. I have in every
state how I take all those voters in

916
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:10.239
my favor. Hence, for example, the importance of the election of the

917
01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:18.279
candidate who chooses Camalajarjes is to choose
Pennsylvania, which has twenty electoral votes and

918
01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:29.159
whose governor is Jewish. That'
s where it benefits her and what she

919
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:33.000
doesn' t. Or she'
s going to pick another woman and then

920
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:42.119
there would be a choice between two
alpha males and two progressive women, who

921
01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:46.119
would be the governor of Michigan.
This is quite a challenge. There'

922
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:50.600
s politics there. There' s
politics there when you talk to the electorate

923
01:14:50.600 --> 01:15:00.319
or not, but inside, what' s there is math. Let us

924
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:08.399
remember when Bush, son and Algor, in the year two thousand were in

925
01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:14.119
the definition that the United States spent
several months without being able to define who

926
01:15:14.199 --> 01:15:17.600
its President was going to be.
Why in Florida, the vote count had

927
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:24.279
to be made several times and came
to court then because there were twenty-

928
01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:30.880
nine electoral votes. That won the
election. In the end Bush won because

929
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:35.600
he took the twenty- nine electoral
votes that correspond to Florida. And the

930
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:42.640
same thing happened with Georgia. With
Georgia in the last vote, which is

931
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:46.000
one of Trump' s accusations,
when he called Georgia' s Secretary of

932
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:51.720
State and told her to get eleven
thousand votes for me to take all Georgia

933
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:58.039
' s voters and win the election. Now these electors are five hundred thirty

934
01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:03.039
- eight. Then who wins the
presidential election. It' s that they

935
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:06.800
get most of the voters out of
Clon who are tea and that' s

936
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:09.720
what we' re going to see. On November 5, when CNN starts

937
01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:16.960
showing us how many voters go for
each other, which state is taking how

938
01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:25.640
many votes. That' s basic
and easy how it works. There are

939
01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:28.560
more things, but we' ll
see about them later. But this is

940
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.720
so crazy. I mean, if
you win in California, you' ll

941
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:32.680
have to talk, it takes thirty- four. If you win in 20th

942
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:35.119
priority. If he wins, and
then they don' t give a shit

943
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:38.960
about the dough. In fact,
you care about the states that are hinges

944
01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:42.439
and compete with the people there because
you do what you do in Teja It

945
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:44.520
' s always going to be Republican. Okay, and whatever you do in

946
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:46.600
California, it' s gonna be
a simple democrat. All right, you

947
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:50.399
don' t have one on this. So they don' t campaign in

948
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:55.920
California or Texas. If it is
campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia,

949
01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:03.199
Virginia, or Florida, because Floyd, the Latin American migrant voter who inserted

950
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:14.199
PoTA Trump. Then you have to
look at what states and from there you

951
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:18.279
look at your maths. And that' s why I say that Trump didn

952
01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:23.720
' t look at mathematics to elect
his Vice President, he looked at his

953
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:29.680
project. Anyway, we' ll
find out on the 5th of November what

954
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:30.960
' s going to happen or not. What is true is that it seems

955
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:36.439
to me as very undemocratic the American
system of electing president according, because Trump

956
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:45.560
won with two million and smaller votes
that Gira Linton had. Yeah, but

957
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:51.640
since there are five hundred thirty-
eight readers, it' s okay that

958
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:55.600
every state puts x you go for
the undecided states, like he did,

959
01:17:56.159 --> 01:18:00.479
which was very smart, creating news, fakes, stories and so on.

960
01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:03.439
And the people and won it say
no and did nothing else in a brilliant,

961
01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:08.960
etytic way. In politics. There' s nothing ethical. It'

962
01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:15.439
s not the end that justifies the
Juange media and in politics that' s

963
01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:18.079
super ugliness. Yes, of course, it' s super feracti and Juan

964
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:23.560
Que about what Maria Clara was talking
about, I think a very important character,

965
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:27.960
of which we don' t go
into depth, but I think that

966
01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:31.800
this Vice President of Trump, Jady
Vans, is also going to play a

967
01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:35.199
crucial rock, which, in fact, we were talking here behind microphones,

968
01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:40.880
which is a guy that I think
is also very much on Trump' s

969
01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:44.399
line, super controversial these days because
of statements that the BBC repeated the phrase

970
01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:48.479
of the dens That' s why
if you die of laughter, in fact,

971
01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:54.720
the s during you can' t
be blacked out of Trump' s

972
01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:58.279
vance vice president, in that campaign
he publicly said that the United States was

973
01:18:58.279 --> 01:18:59.520
being ruled by people without children and
failed that they had pets. That'

974
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:04.079
s what a very diplomatic guy,
Trump' s line, said. Yes,

975
01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:12.359
yes, tremendously diplomatic, as you
can see there and so and so

976
01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:15.439
you don' t know what happens
at the end that I was a bit

977
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.399
worried about politics before. I'
m fucking worried, I don' t

978
01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:23.239
care, the fuck I win is
what the hell if they' re gonna

979
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:25.760
do whatever they want and get it
done then good. Yeah, well,

980
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:30.199
it affects you, it affects you
as a human being, but you have

981
01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:32.279
to think about creating your bubble,
your way of life. And now,

982
01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:36.359
and that' s extra probable to
any country, Spain, here, Colombia,

983
01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:41.600
such that you' re going to
throw yourself on the balcony, because

984
01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:45.640
you win or win, the other
you don' t have to continue living

985
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:46.439
and it already affects, unfortunately,
the politics that affects us. That'

986
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:49.640
s why we' re doing this
show. If it' s not clear,

987
01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:57.680
obviously I wouldn' t, but
well, we' re looking at

988
01:19:57.720 --> 01:20:02.960
it in a curiosity that I think
is worth it. We were making a

989
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:08.079
look at how complex the presidential election
is in the United States, with those

990
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:13.359
five hundred and thirty- eight readers, where each of the states is good

991
01:20:14.199 --> 01:20:17.600
for a certain number and in the
end what happens in the country is decided

992
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:20.920
in very few states. A point
of view, very archaic and very crazy,

993
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:28.439
and the debate continues. It'
s good to see you in a

994
01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:31.960
few months to see exactly. Rafael
Andrés. Yeah, let' s see

995
01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:38.479
this. I agree with what you
say, Maria Clara, the electoral system

996
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:43.279
of the United States, apart from
being anachronistic, total and absolutely not adapted

997
01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:48.640
to the real needs, is even
perverse in the sense that with three million

998
01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:55.600
more votes you can lose an election, with which the democratic spirit is diluted

999
01:20:55.720 --> 01:21:00.920
like a tunic in a glass of
water. That said, having said that,

1000
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:05.199
it is clear that the objective of
beating on the part of both sides

1001
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:11.920
is the States that are now doubtful. And in that sense it has to

1002
01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:17.000
and I want to talk a little
bit about the Democrats, because look at

1003
01:21:17.439 --> 01:21:27.800
Trump is so rockstar that even in
this talk he focuses all our attention on

1004
01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:29.479
that one we' re going with, because it' s something that'

1005
01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:39.000
s there. Harris' nomination as
a candidate. From a point of view,

1006
01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:42.439
what I' ve heard, what
I' ve read, what you

1007
01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:47.760
think is that you' re to
the left of Baiden, that is,

1008
01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:53.479
if I have to choose, Harris
is right now to Baylen' s left,

1009
01:21:53.800 --> 01:22:02.119
so you have to look for a
vice president candidate, in which I

1010
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:09.039
understand that two women against Trump would
not fit. You have to look for

1011
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:15.680
a man and you have to look
for a man positioned to Harris' right,

1012
01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:20.560
to Baden' s right. Why
to capture that vote that right now

1013
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:27.199
is in the air, Because if
you put if this woman elects a vice

1014
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:34.560
president who is aligned to that left
of the Democratic Party, it is clear

1015
01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:41.199
that the undecided will abstain, they
will not win votes or they will even

1016
01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:45.800
see Trump' s option as the
most positive, so it is a little

1017
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:51.720
political intelligence to capture that mass indecisively
and logically, beyond ideas, I am

1018
01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:57.359
with you is that with you it
is in the capture of the vote.

1019
01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:03.039
At any price it' s good, but we' re talking about a

1020
01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:05.119
character who' s key to this
oral story, especially after the Atran shot.

1021
01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:09.239
Well, I say Byden' s
a terrible thing. That Bailen would

1022
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:14.279
not have resigned before proving that the
parties are tremendously anthogamic. In other words,

1023
01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:17.760
he clinged to power in an absurd
way and had to have renounced a

1024
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:21.159
macreo who should never have presented himself
as President. But the cases he won

1025
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:27.000
and it was. But here in
a litter harrys Alejandro Bernan, Juan Ge,

1026
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:32.600
American politician and lawyer, current vice
president of the United States and a

1027
01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:38.199
woman who for me is quite a
symbol for women in the United States,

1028
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:43.239
because it has impressive records. Juange
has been the woman who has held the

1029
01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:47.760
highest political office in the United States, a woman of origin, in this

1030
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:55.359
case Asian and also Central American.
His parents were immigrants, Jamaicans and Hindus,

1031
01:23:55.720 --> 01:24:00.119
beginning with that very important aspect,
a black woman who also gives particular

1032
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:06.279
to his appearance and also to his
intention to vote in the United States and,

1033
01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:11.680
as our friend Rafael, a woman
with more progressive policies, more leftist

1034
01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:15.760
than Joe Biden himself, told us
very well. And that' s something

1035
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:19.560
analysts have pointed out. For example, in the year two thousand and twenty,

1036
01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:27.079
when he was campaigning in this case
as Vice President of Baiden, he

1037
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:32.439
advocated having a government- backed health
insurance system. In this case he did

1038
01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:38.600
not ask to eliminate private insurance,
but he did ask to strengthen the public

1039
01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:42.479
health of the United States, something
that was also defended at the time by

1040
01:24:42.560 --> 01:24:46.159
the United States Senator Bernissanders, something
known as a medicker, because one of

1041
01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:50.880
the great standard- bearers was Camala
Harris, to bear in mind that this

1042
01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:57.680
mediker is a system that in this
case offers insurance by public entities to people

1043
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:01.520
over sixty- five years of age, also have permanent health fas, a

1044
01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:09.119
more robust public health system. Camala
Harris Juange and dear listeners and guests,

1045
01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:14.760
is a woman who has led the
defense of abortion rights in the United States,

1046
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:18.439
and this is very important in the
current political climate of the United States.

1047
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:27.479
She started a campaign that became known
as the reproductive freedoms tour, mainly

1048
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:32.039
in the state of Minnesota. He
has been a figure who has very much

1049
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:38.079
championed this right of American women to
make this decision. And Juange has also

1050
01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:44.159
made some very interesting decisions regarding taxes
and access to housing by the middle class

1051
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:48.680
of the United States. For example, when she was Senator Camala Harris,

1052
01:25:49.840 --> 01:26:00.359
she proposed granting U S working families
a reimbursable tax deduction of up to$

1053
01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:03.119
6, 000 per couple per year
to help them cope with maintenance costs.

1054
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:09.159
This was a policy that was very
striking at the time. In fact,

1055
01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:15.039
what the administration managed to do was
to grant$ 500 a month so that

1056
01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:21.600
families did not have to borrow or
take very high interest. The truth is

1057
01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:27.159
that in the year two thousand twenty- one, an expanded fiscal credit per

1058
01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:32.399
son was sanctioned by the Bailen administration
and up to three thousand six hundred dollars

1059
01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:36.920
per child was a very important help
within this administration and at the Juan Ge

1060
01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:41.039
housing level and this is very important
for the middle and lower classes of the

1061
01:26:41.119 --> 01:26:45.680
United States. Camala Harris also introduced
the Rent Relief Act, which established a

1062
01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:53.159
refundable tax credit for tenants who spend
more than thirty percent of their income annually

1063
01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:58.560
and earlier this year of two thousand
twenty- four, Camala Harris, as

1064
01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:02.479
Vice President of the United States,
proposed a mortgage reduction credit that would provide

1065
01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:11.399
five thousand dollars a year for two
years to middle- class home buyers in

1066
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:18.079
the United States. Clearly a woman
aligned with progressive policies. Jorge Yes,

1067
01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:23.880
she is a tremendously progressive woman who
is also a profile that has absolutely nothing

1068
01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.800
to do with Trump, who had
a golden cradle, but these immigrant ladies

1069
01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:31.279
who are middle class, lower middle
class and end up being a very prominent

1070
01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:36.159
lawyer and then also very prominent prosecutor. I mean, to see the lady

1071
01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:41.880
is very smart and it' s
true that I think that at the time

1072
01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:46.439
Viiden took her too because that was
how she brought together all the votes that

1073
01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:50.960
the people who wanted verniss Anders,
who were more left- wing than Baiden,

1074
01:27:51.199 --> 01:27:55.159
was a way, was a way
of doing it. And I don

1075
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.000
' t know this is quite a
challenge, because the profile that I had

1076
01:27:58.079 --> 01:28:03.279
just written in Alejandro Bernal that of
a lady who is like much more left

1077
01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:09.399
- wing in quotation marks and such
in the country that she is the cradle

1078
01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:11.800
of neoliberalism, in the country than
what I tell the truth. I,

1079
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:15.439
for example, because that look of
the United States in my book, compiled

1080
01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:17.239
with abuses that they have done throughout
history, as was, for example,

1081
01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:21.479
what happened in the Vietnam War.
But I love America. I' m

1082
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:26.319
happy in the United States and like
anyone who doesn' t like the United

1083
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:29.720
States has shown that for now capitalism
is the least bad of the systems that

1084
01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:33.079
exist, because if you in the
United States work and you have talent and

1085
01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:39.840
you set up a company, you
can do very well and all the people

1086
01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:43.199
very progressive and such that criticizes the
United States, in none of them I

1087
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:45.600
see going to live in Cuba,
Venezuela or Nicaragua, Eritrea or North Korea.

1088
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:49.760
When people migrate, they all immigrate. For America, Maria Clara is

1089
01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:51.800
laughing, but it' s true. Thank you very much when you all

1090
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:58.520
start with this, it' s
great that it' s progressive, but

1091
01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:02.039
you can be progressive to a certain
extent when you say to see is that

1092
01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:04.800
the only system we' ve seen
that works so far is capitalism. China

1093
01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:12.039
has a capitalist economy, being a
country that has a communist regime as a

1094
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.880
government, but a total and absolutely
capitalist economic system. And this is reality.

1095
01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:18.159
Anyone who likes it and doesn'
t like it, I mean,

1096
01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:23.079
I don' t see people jumping
the border to go to Venezuela or to

1097
01:29:23.119 --> 01:29:28.439
go to Cuba. Okay, Antonio
Alonso. Yes, préros, we'

1098
01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:34.760
re getting into the muddy field of
politics. And I have to say,

1099
01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:41.960
too, because I believe that a
left- wing person in America would be

1100
01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:45.119
central to Europe, that is.
So I am telling you right into Europe,

1101
01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:53.279
yes, that is, because of
course it depends on where we say

1102
01:29:53.319 --> 01:29:55.760
left to right that if you are
on one side of the puddle, it

1103
01:29:55.840 --> 01:30:00.560
is one thing or another, for
example, European social democracy, because it

1104
01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:02.600
would be much more to the left
than perhaps. What Camera Harris is doing

1105
01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:09.199
now with everything Alejandro has said and
what Alejandro has done is a reflection that

1106
01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:14.800
Kamala Harris is an intelligent and capable
person. I don' t think we

1107
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:16.319
' re doubting that. It seems
to me, as you said to yourself,

1108
01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:20.880
that it is an interesting counterpart to
what Trump is. You' ve

1109
01:30:21.079 --> 01:30:27.159
said it very well Trump in a
golden crib and almost with a little bit

1110
01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:28.760
of him doing his best, because
he' s already got things going.

1111
01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:34.640
This person Harris had to be born
from below and hear all the achievements he

1112
01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:39.680
made in the legal career and the
prosecution. No one gives you anything,

1113
01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:43.760
especially if you don' t have
godparents or godmothers in America. What Rafa

1114
01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:48.359
was saying, too, I do
not think that putting a Bernis Anders as

1115
01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:55.600
Vice- President would be too far
to the left. It will surely put

1116
01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:59.439
a person who precisely holds to the
best those electors who are in America more

1117
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:06.039
central. And then I also tell
Kamala Harris some shadows, for example,

1118
01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:11.479
so far that almost nothing had been
said about her in news. It was

1119
01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:15.439
very second or third level and I
think it was precisely because one of the

1120
01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:23.640
tasks assigned to him, because President
Biden was precisely trying to solve the issue

1121
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:29.239
of the migration crisis by seeing what
the possible focus was, and Kamala Harris

1122
01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:34.159
could not deal with that problem.
That caused him a strong loss of popularity

1123
01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:43.319
before all this happened. But I, if I want to be honest with

1124
01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:48.279
you, am already looking forward to
Trump' s debate against Harris to see

1125
01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:49.399
how he' s going to do
that. I mean, what Harris is

1126
01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:56.159
going to do is she' s
going to be polite, constructive, and

1127
01:31:56.199 --> 01:31:59.119
she' s going a little bit
to ignore those attacks that Trump' s

1128
01:31:59.119 --> 01:31:59.399
going to have, or she'
s going into the fight rag. That

1129
01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:02.159
' s gonna be there. Yeah, we' re gonna get the popcorn

1130
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:05.159
out of Maidia and eat when it
starts. That doesn' t look for

1131
01:32:05.159 --> 01:32:08.840
that debate. We stayed at my
house, had some wine, some potatoes

1132
01:32:08.880 --> 01:32:15.359
and the pipette because that was scheduled. No, or I lose like I

1133
01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:21.319
' ve got Burgos' s lunch, ready ready and Mary clear to have

1134
01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:25.279
a tsarep. Yeah, yeah,
or we' ll see each other'

1135
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:28.319
s agreement, but we' ll
definitely never see it, but we'

1136
01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:30.960
ll fix it good. Gentlemen,
we have thirty seconds each to give your

1137
01:32:31.119 --> 01:32:36.600
ending and your closing and your conclusion
of this debate of how all forgiveness has

1138
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:44.800
changed by a shot in a clear
Mary ear. Thirty seconds you have there

1139
01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:49.439
I wait for guidance I at this
moment I think the two honeymoons and last

1140
01:32:49.479 --> 01:32:57.159
week and of this one you have
to wait for them to sing. I

1141
01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:02.159
just saw Harris come up in the
polls, but it' s a CNN

1142
01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:10.159
poll. Trump continues to win,
but within the margin of error, I

1143
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:16.279
will love to share with you the
tapas, the wine and the debate.

1144
01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:28.199
I think she' s a woman
who' s not going to be cheated

1145
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:40.159
by aggressive language. She is a
woman who is very worthy and who knows

1146
01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:45.079
her value as a woman, as
a leader, as for the ideas she

1147
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:48.960
has, etcetera. But let'
s wait. This is really going to

1148
01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:56.560
be a field battle for two,
three or four votes. That will be

1149
01:33:56.600 --> 01:34:01.399
the end in a ularized world.
Thank you very much, María Clara Izaza,

1150
01:34:02.199 --> 01:34:08.039
for sharing this time on Caracol Radio
with all of us and for bringing

1151
01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:13.319
your wisdom. Antonio Alvanzo. You
have forty seconds there for your ending and

1152
01:34:13.399 --> 01:34:17.039
your closing, your conclusion, because
first thank fellows. I have spent it

1153
01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:24.239
Pipa in this debate and this first
truncated debate against Harris is scheduled in the

1154
01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:27.359
house of Juan who, to see
it I bring the Bilbao rapon and the

1155
01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:31.880
pautino v there to accompany us.
But to reiterate, we are in a

1156
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:36.199
society where, unfortunately, the messenger
matters more than the message, where there

1157
01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:43.600
is a budding populism and social polarization
and where this is happening unfortunately, in

1158
01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:46.319
many countries, in many economies,
regardless of the continent where we are putting

1159
01:34:46.319 --> 01:34:51.000
the magnifying glass. What happened in
that failed assassination attempt on Trump could have

1160
01:34:51.119 --> 01:34:58.079
been much worse. And it'
s funny that the butterfly effect was given

1161
01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:00.520
that Trap at the same time that
the bullet was going south. His head

1162
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:05.479
turned and gnawed at his ear,
because he was looking at a graph where

1163
01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:11.880
there were results of illegal immigration and
such immigrants saved Trump in that assassination attempt.

1164
01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:16.680
Very good friend, this conclusion,
Rafael Andra, your conclusion of your

1165
01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:20.720
close friend, let' s see
this. Yeah, you hear this.

1166
01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:30.439
I think the swords are on high. I also think that the debate we

1167
01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:39.680
are putting on a lot of stress
for personal characteristics. Trump Harris' s

1168
01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:45.560
self- deeding is going to be
very complicated, because he' s very

1169
01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:49.520
smart. He has very clear ideas, but he has no charisma. That

1170
01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:55.640
' s this woman' s big
problem. He doesn' t get the

1171
01:35:55.800 --> 01:36:00.479
attention, so he' s in
front of a opponent who knows sy came

1172
01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:04.680
on stage and knows perfectly well how
and in what way they can trap him.

1173
01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:11.800
That' s an opinion and I
insist the swords are on high.

1174
01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:17.520
I think that, as the movies
say, when there is a second part,

1175
01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:23.720
it will continue to be true.
Thank you very much, Rafael de

1176
01:36:23.920 --> 01:36:29.880
Andrés Thank you very much to everyone
for bringing your wisdom, your knowledge to

1177
01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:32.880
a subject that is very complex and
very polyhedral. He has a lot of

1178
01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:39.520
lists, a big hug for everyone
Well, I think it was a very,

1179
01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:41.239
very cool debate. I' m
proud of the friends I have.

1180
01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:47.119
I think they' re great intellectuals
and themes. That' s what a

1181
01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:51.760
debate was telling me, because no
one has absolute truth here. This is

1182
01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:56.399
very complex. Today we have been
talking about the debate, but we have

1183
01:36:56.479 --> 01:37:00.479
not heard any opinion from a Latino
living in the United States who sees that

1184
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:01.199
it is a lot, but in
the end none wanted to give it to

1185
01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:05.439
me less. Miss Adriana Griffin and
as everyone takes the Chamber for granted,

1186
01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:12.119
I asked Kamala Harry, what she
thought. It must be said that Adriana

1187
01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:15.640
Griffin, for example, is not
a lady who likes Trump at all.

1188
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:20.520
But instead, I asked him about
Kamala and he answered this here what you

1189
01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:26.119
think of Kamala Harry you think he
can really be an adversary to Donald Trump

1190
01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:31.960
or not. I don' t
think Camila Harriz can beat Trump in the

1191
01:37:32.039 --> 01:37:39.720
election. I don' t think
she' s capable of being President of

1192
01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:44.439
the United States. She' s
very smart and she' s been very

1193
01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:48.079
studied, but it' s one
thing to have all that education to be

1194
01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:51.960
able to. He' s capable
of running a country, but he says

1195
01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:56.199
it' s capable because we'
re going to see my cama Harry seems

1196
01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:58.439
to me with forgiveness even smarter than
Donald Trump. Maybe he doesn' t

1197
01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:02.000
have the Donald Tramp Es charisma.
She has no charisma and she has against

1198
01:38:02.039 --> 01:38:09.720
many things she did when she was
the California District Attorney. She tried some

1199
01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:16.439
laws where there were students could not
miss school for more than him. I

1200
01:38:16.439 --> 01:38:21.880
think it was about ten percent and
it turns out that there were children who

1201
01:38:21.920 --> 01:38:28.039
went and arrested the parents and it
turns out that those children, many were

1202
01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:35.239
children who had conflicted homes, other
children who were disabling, others of other

1203
01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:40.640
children I untrace. It was a
disaster and she passed and she fought for

1204
01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:44.520
that law until it happened. So
there' s a lot of people who

1205
01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:50.079
' re stuck with it, because
they made unfair arrests, a lot of

1206
01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:53.800
kids, they even took them from
their parents. This was terrible. And

1207
01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:58.199
that was like in him about ten
years ago. And I think that to

1208
01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:02.000
her, she was chosen because he
promised that he would choose a woman,

1209
01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:06.840
woman and that he would serve racially
and because she is the daughter of a

1210
01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:13.840
Jamaican and a person from India.
So, because I met the greatest requirement

1211
01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:17.039
for him, which was that,
in my opinion, ok a question what

1212
01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:21.640
you felt when you saw the image
of Donald Trump bleeding from the face and

1213
01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:27.600
flag of the United States. Basically, I couldn' t believe it.

1214
01:39:27.960 --> 01:39:33.119
I almost fainted. In fact,
when I first saw the images my husband

1215
01:39:33.159 --> 01:39:38.039
was the one who showed them to
me and told me. But look what

1216
01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:41.560
' s going on and I couldn' t believe it. It took me

1217
01:39:41.680 --> 01:39:45.079
to the time of the twin towers. When you see the towers fall,

1218
01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:49.439
that happens America loses so much,
when the towers are falling down and with

1219
01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:54.640
this mistake that the secret service and
other people made, I imagine they are

1220
01:39:54.680 --> 01:40:00.079
involved in that you see America lose
so much that it' s amazing how

1221
01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:04.239
not everything has changed to America in
almost three decades that has been living there

1222
01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:09.399
on a political level. It wasn' t so polarized before, how,

1223
01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:13.159
how have you seen America change and
what do you think the next few months

1224
01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:15.720
are going to be? I think
America is super divided right now. When

1225
01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:21.119
I arrived in America, people voted
for the person they thought would be better.

1226
01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:25.920
It didn' t matter if I
was a Democrat or I was a

1227
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:29.920
Republican. People voted for the person
and I did that too and I keep

1228
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:34.520
doing it. But now I think
a little bit of guilt is the media,

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because in the United States one media
is completely Republican, the other is

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completely Democratic and, at the end
of the day, one doesn' t

1231
01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:49.000
know what the one says, what
the other is. What' s the

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01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:55.159
truth. So, America has changed
in that aspect that we are now almost

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01:40:55.399 --> 01:41:00.119
at war with each other at war. I mean not physical, but intellectual.

1234
01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:05.399
Right. All right, Adriana,
well, thank you so much for

1235
01:41:06.079 --> 01:41:12.359
your opinion, so many classes,
for being here, for having me here,

1236
01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:14.319
look at this, good thing you
told us, Adriana Griffield. No,

1237
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:18.199
how the country has changed in the
thirty years it has already lived there,

1238
01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:26.600
how it has become polarized, how
the media has also radicalized, because

1239
01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:31.920
the media, obviously, needs public
to listen to you. And how politics

1240
01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:38.399
has already passed a backseat. Now. I' m right, right and

1241
01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:41.640
right. I am left- wing, left- wing, left- wing,

1242
01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:45.359
right- wing fascists, and I
don' t know what the right

1243
01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:47.039
- wingers are to the left-
wing, they' re a bunch of

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01:41:47.079 --> 01:41:47.840
bums and uselesss, and that'
s where we don' t come out.

1245
01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:56.159
It is a tremendously constructive debate that
brings us a lot. But it

1246
01:41:56.199 --> 01:41:59.319
' s not America. It'
s just global. Yes, of course,

1247
01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:03.880
it' s the world and critical
thinking went to hell and the people

1248
01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:13.039
who changed the easy vote went to
hell that already radicalized us to a tremendously

1249
01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:15.600
absurd level. But it doesn'
t seem like anything' s coming that

1250
01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:18.319
' s going to change in America. I have the rest of the world

1251
01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:23.640
and not in the short term Juan
Jesús about what Adriana said and I think

1252
01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:28.119
hand in hand with what we talked
about with our panelists in this program,

1253
01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:31.319
I think that, anyway, Camala
Harris is a rival much more worthy than

1254
01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:35.640
Joe Biden himself. Once Joe Biden
was senile. It was ridiculous and I

1255
01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:41.000
find it embarrassing all the time it
took him to quit. Yeah, that

1256
01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:45.520
' s ridiculous to agree in that
sense, being a more worthy rival to

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01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:49.239
someone who can stand up to him, at least from the point of view

1258
01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:53.640
of intellect preparation and so on,
is going to be difficult. It'

1259
01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:57.840
s gonna be a tough store match. I think Trump still has the advantage,

1260
01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:00.880
but I think he' s either
bad. Harris is a good policy.

1261
01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:05.640
It' s going to depend a
lot on the Vice President to keep

1262
01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:10.399
you from choosing exactly. You have
to choose a Vice President who is very

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01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:14.640
centrist, because she is catalogued from
far to the left. Yes against progressive.

1264
01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:17.840
Yes, indeed, then I think
the broad is smart. I was

1265
01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:23.199
going to take someone from a pole
opposite her to gather more votes, but

1266
01:43:23.199 --> 01:43:26.439
look at the end it' s
like some kind of macabre chess game where

1267
01:43:26.479 --> 01:43:30.039
they play with our lives. We
don' t swim then. Next day

1268
01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:32.399
we are doing a programme of OMNI
so that we can forget about this policy.

1269
01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:36.399
But it is necessary and to avoid
so many insults, because that can

1270
01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:39.199
be said. Oh, they'
re not gonna come up with insults all

1271
01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:42.359
over the place, but I'
m already doing great, since I kind

1272
01:43:42.399 --> 01:43:44.319
of don' t care exactly how
insulted they are. Anyway, well sir

1273
01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:47.000
is Alejandro Bernardo, conclusion and your
good closing a game that we are not

1274
01:43:47.039 --> 01:43:55.199
only at the door of crucial American
elections. I think it will also be

1275
01:43:55.199 --> 01:44:00.239
a few very interesting months of debate
to see how things are aligned, we

1276
01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:04.000
will of course be following you that
there is perhaps later to be able to

1277
01:44:04.520 --> 01:44:09.119
do another analysis also on this interesting
and exciting topic. Juange and I can

1278
01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:13.319
be followed in social networks, instagram
and in alebernal arroba pres Les, so,

1279
01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:16.159
if you want to see what polarization
is, don' t miss Venezuela

1280
01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:20.159
' s selections tomorrow what is going
to happen what, Por de gracia,

1281
01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:28.560
is a bit of a global reflection. To this day we are governed worldwide

1282
01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:35.039
by a person who bears reasonlessness.
There' s more hate speech every day.

1283
01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:41.640
They have realized that in hatred there
is that electoral revenue, that one

1284
01:44:41.720 --> 01:44:46.520
reissued from votes to disqualify the one
in front and more than political parties are

1285
01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:51.800
already sects, then be very careful, have critical thinking and be of those

1286
01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:55.920
who change the vote, which is
great, change their minds on one side

1287
01:44:56.159 --> 01:45:00.800
and on the other. Try to
be happy, create your bubble, because

1288
01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:08.119
the world is turning to a dark
place. Hopefully, this reverend who quoted

1289
01:45:08.159 --> 01:45:12.960
at the beginning of the program is
not right and there is no dark time

1290
01:45:13.439 --> 01:45:18.039
coming after Trump wins, if Trump
wins. Anyway, be happy. Stick

1291
01:45:18.079 --> 01:45:21.880
to the light, the darkness will
always haunt us. But if we'

1292
01:45:21.880 --> 01:45:27.159
re in the light, it can
never affect us. And never forget that

1293
01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:31.960
we live in a magical world,
because it is full of mystery