Los Tayos, entrada a un mundo olvidado

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Hello, everyone How are you there? My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo,

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the journalist, writer and director of
the Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio.

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In the middle of the Ecuadorian jungle, the Tallos cave, which is immersed

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within the territory of the Shuar natives, has been giving what to talk about

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for many decades. It was almost
in the middle of the last century that

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Father Crespi, a priest, collected
a lot of metal sheets that had engravings

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that looked like Sumerians and Father Crespi
was told that these plates came directly from

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there from the cave of the Stems. Then it was an Argentine explorer,

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Juan Moritz, who entered the cave
of the Tallos to affirm that really in

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this cave, in this site there
was a library that told us about the

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most forgotten aspects of our humanity.
A whole mystery that continues to resist because

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still today expeditions to the cave of
the stems are made looking for their mysteries.

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But if you want to know about
this and much more don' t

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miss the last mystery night podcast on
Caracol Radio the Stems the entrance to a

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forgotten world. There are places I
don' t know why, but they

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call the mystery from ancient times,
places that are sacred, places that are

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magical. And when the 20th century
and the 21st century come, that magic

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is rewritten and thousands of people try
to get there, diving in its secret,

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trying to understand its mystery. Although
the magic of these places is that

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they only open a small door to
those who go with an open mind.

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In this case, what I am
referring to is the Tallos cave in Ecuador,

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submerged in the Ecuadorian jungle, a
sacred place for the Shuwar, for

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the Jíbaros, for them a door
to the underworld, or more than call

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it underworld, which is a word
that may have some connotation, which may

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be negative. It darkens a door
to an underground world where enigmatic and ancient

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gods beings of legend live that for
the Schwarts are real, and now you

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will see that for the explorers of
this cave they are also. The cave

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of the stems becomes famous worldwide because
decades ago a priest, Father Carlos Crespi,

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assured that they had brought him from
the cave of the stems, golden

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metal plates where the history of humanity
appeared, with very strange symbols that seemed

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like, for example, the ancient
Sumerian, the cuneiform script. Later,

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an Argentine speleologist of Hungarian origin,
Juan Moricz, entered the cave and here

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is already famous worldwide. Because Juan
Moritz says publicly that, even if they

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think he is crazy under the cave
of the stems, in Ecuador there is

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a hidden underground world. Suddenly,
those archaeological pieces disappeared, but the mystery

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and legend had already run through the
world. Researchers as important as Eric Bondaniken

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had echoed this news and the cave
of the stems became famous worldwide. It

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is still a place today, where
it is necessary to make an expedition to

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walk in the jungle, sleep in
the jungle in the company of the indigenous

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or who are the ones that give
permission to enter it and dive in its

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secrets. A fascinating world one day
I' d like to explore. And

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here I make the promise that one
day I have to go I hope it

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' s on one of the author' s trips that I make for you.

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You want to point to some adventurers, because this if it is adventure

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in Indiana jones the Amazon basin and
its ministry, the mysteries of the Amazon,

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for me one of the most enigmatic
regions of the world, with thousands

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of legends that tell us about those
ancestral beings that today are still alive good

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night nocturnals. My name is Juan
Jesús Vallejo? What you want to follow

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me on social networks, in my
tweets Juan que Vallejo, Juan J Vallejo,

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on Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús
Vallejo. And this is another mystery

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night show. And here what we
do is journalism of my mystery. We

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put the facts on the table and
you decide what' s behind it and

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what' s not. What do
you think about this story I' ve

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told you about the Cave of Stems. It is this place in Ecuador,

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the door to an underground world still
to be known. There' s a

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library inside that cave. Some think
that even Atlante, who tells us about

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how the past of humanity was a
mystery to discover. You know what I

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' m doing this year, in
September from the 22nd of September to the

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1st of October, I' ll
be doing an author' s trip to

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Egypt. You want to discover and
know what the mystery of the pyramids is

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like, being inside one of the
world' s largest rock block mole,

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with more than two and a half
million stone blocks. You want to navigate

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through the magic thread, because all
the information about that author trip to Egypt,

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I repeat from September 22 to October
1 day, you have it on

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the website. Three trips Juan Jesús
Vallejo com I repeat, Three trips Juan

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Jesús Vallejo with the mystery family,
traveling and knowing the enigmas of the world,

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living an ancient magic that is written
in stone and that today we can

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still feel and understand and start without
further delay. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend,

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how are you? Very well,
Juan Ge, a greeting for you,

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also for our guests of exception of
this episode of mystery night, Maria,

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José Robayo, Sebastián Almeida and Gonzalo
Gill, also all those who consume

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this content through the podcast that we
publish on the YouTube channel, Caracol Radio

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and on this occasion speaking of one
of the most enigmatic places in the world,

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an authentic jewel here in South America, the cave of the stems in

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Ecuador. Juan Ge epicenter of a
series of stories, a vergel of stories,

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two legends, The pure and hard
riddle of the cave of the stems.

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In this episode Jorge, in fact, the pure and hard riddle because

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he is not exempt from his polemics. If now we will see, because

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well, the idea of doing this
podcast arises because a few months ago between

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you saw María José Roballo and Sebastián
Almeida in hiding, behind the shadow on

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the YouTube channel that I run and
the amount of things that they told me,

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left me so in shock. Apart
from the audience of that podcast,

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it was very high and I told
this story. We' re going to

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bring her to Calacol Radio to have
her in full detail in these two hours

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of program and we' re going
to start with all the guests that we

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have a lot, that this I
want to be a great chat between friends,

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among people from the mystery family,
that' s what we are.

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And the first person who is already
several times in mystery night is Miss Maria

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José Roballo, who has a YouTube
channel that you cannot miss. Maria José,

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friend, how are you, Hello, Hello, how nice to be

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with you as always I here super
happy to talk about this topic, of

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this cave so enigmatic that brings so
many questions, but that has also given

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us some answers, because there are
many researchers who have persecuted you, who

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have visited you, who have found
out. Then the information is very interesting

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and clear to invite you to follow
my podcast, called Cosmica by María José

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Roballo, where I have interviews with
Juan Jesús, also with Sebastian, we

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talk about the cave with Alejandro,
with many people who do this journalism of

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mystery and tell us the interesting things
that this world has. Invite them to

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that and in my instagram they find
me as a dark lady and tell them

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by the way that this year we
are going to the cave of the Tallos

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with Sebastian and we are also organizing
a trip that in fact, is already

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set up for the month of July. And, as John Jesus said to

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all adventurers who want to join us, there is still little left. Cough

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quotas can communicate through our YouTube channels
as cosmic. There' s all the

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information so you can go. We' re going to make several trips.

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Obviously, we also invite Alexander with
John Jesus. So the idea is that

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all adventurers come and not only listen
to it, but live it ready.

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And there they can also locate you
What your Instagram channel was like. In

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case you want to ask about that
request in July, the cave of the

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stems. If you want to ask, I' m always raging lady darkness

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on Instagram, but if you'
re looking for Maria José Roba myself on

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all networks, you' re going
to find me. But basically the information

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is on YouTube channels. Ready perfect
for all the people who sign up for

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that trip to the cave of the
stems. I promise I' ll go

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I promised. Then that trip I' ll go. I' ll leave

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alone in your company and we'
ll see if we do one look at

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the people in the family in mystery
who tell me on Twitter and tell me

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here on YouTube. Would you like
a request to the cave of the stems

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comment me here on YouTube below in
the comments of snail And well, now

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we start with the explorers of the
cave of the stems and sebastian Almeida?

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He is a gentleman who, apart
from having a travel agency, has two

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books published about his experiences and trips
to the cave of the stems. But,

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since it' s the first time
you' re on Caracol Radio,

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who' s Sebastian Almeida? For
the entire audience of Caracol Radio with Jesús

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Alejandro María José Gonzalito. A hug
for everyone. Thank you very much for

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the invitation. Thanks for the space. I' m Sebastian Almaido Dillon.

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I graduated in tourism with twenty-
five years of experience in field work.

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I' m a research and health
specialist, Rurán. I' m a

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writer. I have several books published. My last two books talk about paranormal

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events lived inside the stem cave.
How you have to get there and what

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are the features that you have to
go through in order to enter this magical

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site of the cave of the stems. And my last book is about the

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worldview of the Shuar peoples and the
gods of the underworld. Just as all

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the Shuar, who are the custodians, the protectors of the cave of the

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stems, they believe that they live
within just as you mentioned Jo Jesus,

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the Underworld, Lukupacha, Yayapacha,
the ancestors who live down there that exist,

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what beings, what kind of energies
they inhabit within the cave of the

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stems. I also make author routes. I specialize in the mysteries and legends

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of Ecuador, in the cave of
the stems, in the Mana, in

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the boxes, in different energetic sites
that this beautiful country has for providing everything,

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close, everything with a super simple
proximity to arrive, but full of

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energy, full of mysteries, full
of legends. I am passionate about mysteries

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and legends and I invite you all, Alexander, Jo Jesus, Gonzalito.

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He already went with me to the
cave and above all the cave of the

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Tallos, which is one of the
greatest and enigmatic mysteries of the whole planet

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Mira and with that you have commented
another day is in time to make a

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program, a podcast about mysteries of
Ecuador, that I would love, that

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is a very unknown country. In
that facet sebastian uan which is your travel

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agency, how they can locate you
for people who want to make some author

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trip with you. Thank you very
much. Of course I can be located

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on any social media, such as
Sebastián Almeida Dillong, Facebook, Instagram,

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Tiktok. I' m like sebastian
Almaida Dillon or, if not, the

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Dillong email. With l three,
five, three hundred, seven arroba Hotmay,

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com or if not zero, nine, eight, one, nine,

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eight to see nine, nineth,
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one, one, three. There
are times when, as I never dial,

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I don' t remember my phone, but you worry and repeat the

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email, which is easier, perhaps
to be located. Yeah. Say it

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with ble l three, five,
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They can track you down there and
ask about your author' s trip.

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I mean, here' s another
character that this man I know 20 years

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ago when I went to Cuba.
He' s the first human being to

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get me in the jungle on horseback, and I don' t know how

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we don' t kill each other
what beautiful experiences. That' s not

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all he taught me to dive.
I discovered the secrets of the depths.

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With him he told me stories of
Tain culture. I got into the world

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of Santería in Cuba, in a
place called Guanabacoa, which is the cradle

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of Santería. He was my guide
in Cuba and suddenly a few years ago

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I found out that this man is
in Ecuador, living on a lost island.

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It' s not for the least
Gonzalo gill Friends that there is how

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you are, first, Hermanito,
Second for the entire audience of Caracol Radio,

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because I think it' s no
longer the trip to Cuba. You

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have a travel agency in Ecuador.
Who is Gonzalo Hill What do you do,

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how is your Sami travel agency good
afternoon. A greeting to all who

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listen to this program of radio caracos
of the world of Mystery, to Alex,

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to Miss Maria Robello to Sebastian,
to you with great pleasure Juanjo,

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years of work and research, of
exploration into the world of mystery, but

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deep. Sometimes it is not what
is done publicly or what is normally published.

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That is why the name is called
the company t sub Hill Trip,

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because I was born in the city
of Trinidad, the Most Holy Trinity.

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I climb that I have always made
tourism, hidden, tourism a little submerged

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inside or outside the tourist field,
where the majority of tourism does not arrive.

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And Gil is my last name for
the Equaterians. Yes I am well,

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gil then very s ho aspects.
They ask me the last name,

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because here is Juan, here in
Ecuador, Gille is like a fool and

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every time I ask my last name, I say I am Gonzalo Hill and

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everyone asks me how. I mean, you heard me. I am,

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I am Hill, and then the
universe world, the energies, the quantum

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world, and everything we don'
t know. And we are in this

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world, we know that chance does
not exist. And as you also told

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us, we have known each other
for twenty years and I have met so

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many other mystery researchers who have worked
with me, I have been able to

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work with them many very well-
known, very famous people who always try

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to provide the best of me And
usually I don' t do tourism.

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If I do some tourism, because
I have marked in the legal field,

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so to speak, I am registered
as a tourism agency, but rather what

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I do are explorations. I do
research trips, exploration for either to make

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a documentary, to investigate any topic, but almost always focused on topics that

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are not very usual for normal people
like us. We' re not normal

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anymore. We' re always investigating
things that others don' t understand and

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sometimes they talk to them and make
us crazy, weird I don' t

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know what. And then I don' t do much tourist advertising, because

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when you sell tourism to someone and
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nobody knows where I' m going. I mean, the places I usually

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visit aren' t tourist places,
so to speak, for most people who

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travel on this podcast aren' t
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they like it quite the opposite.
Indeed, that kind of tourism with much

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more soul, doing author trips,
looking for what people usually don' t

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look for to get to the soul
of the sites that I think that'

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s what' s important. Gonzalo
What' s the name of the island

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they live in and what you do
there, because I would also like to

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lie down to the island for a
few days, drink beer and crazy coconut

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that is not happening either. What' s the name of the island he

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lives on. The island is called
Bonita Island. It' s between Muine

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and Portete. An island has seven
kilometers and is a paradise, really a

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paradise on the Pacific coast, facing
the sea the sunsets. Every day.

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We have piquero paws, blues,
lions, marines, dolphins, sharks,

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monkey, iguana, that is,
it' s a zoo, a little

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Galapagos, this many sea turtles.
Turtles also come to nest the island more

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often between July August. We also
have whales from June to September, than

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whale season. Impressive. Going out
the dive making the enoch with the whales

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is fabulous, spectacular. And the
other things that I like for which I

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am here is because near here,
about four miles from here there is a

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very old ancestral portal, which is
not talked about, not much is known

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here in Ecuador either is a portal
that has a very fabulous energy, very

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spectacular, with diving areas. It
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and a cliff of land to the
back of the continent, which has a

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figure, a design, which looks
like a star and is about sixty meters

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high. The construction, that construction
for the Equaterians and for the world,

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that doesn' t exist, I
mean, there are archaeological remains. How

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do you know, what is the
name Gonzalo ces, which is called a

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corporal later on in Cape San Francisco. Here they meet her in the tiny

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little village of an indigenous community that
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it' s called the tiny little
town, an ancestral town. There And

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supposedly archaeologists who have arrived there because
of the curiosity of so many ceramics that

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there is no research, that is, they have taken four samples from the

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ground and say this is from the
Valdivia culture, but in depth no one

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has investigated. That is, no
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and I have taken several people and
it is spectacular everything that is good fixed

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what I said Gonzalo, although I
will mention it and we get into the

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cave of the stems, that I
am also a grandfather onions, we do

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not go around the sides. Va
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cultures in America. It is the
first ceramic in America and many researchers think

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it came through the kuro sivo stream
and they actually came from Japan and settled

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on the coasts of Ecuador. It
is one of the great mysteries of the

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colonization of America. Every day and
more archaeologists and anthropologists open to it was

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not only through the Bering Strait fifteen
zero years ago, but much older and

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also comes from Asia. But we
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which, if we have not read
it, we are already fully involved

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in the subject of the cave of
the stems. And I, when I

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interviewed Maria José the other day,
already sat there to hide behind the shadows

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for my YouTube channel, for I
said good, because the story of Juan

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Morit and the story of this priest
of Carlos Crespi, with that library of

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antiquity, where the history of the
world and the two left me chafa because

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they told me juange. We think
you' re wrong. Maria José,

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tell me your version of the history
known worldwide and then the rest. Of

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course yes, well, the most
well- known version is that Juan Moritz,

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you yourself spoke of this Hungarian Argentine
lord, was the one who made

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the cave known because, in theory, he had found some plates where he

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talked about the history of humanity.
But I want to tell you something that

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I didn' t tell you last
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that has to do with another investigation, that they say that the discovery

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of the cave came for something more
casual, that more or less. By

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the year fifty or sixty, a
group of people from the capital decided to

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bring some indigenous people from the Amazon
to work in a person' s house

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as domestic servants, and there was
a child that we clearly talked about.

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His name was Petronio Jaramillo, who
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when he grows, time passes,
years pass, they meet again and it

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is this child who had lived as
an employee who tells him to speak to

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Petronio Jaramillo of the cave of the
stems. And that' s where they

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connect with Moritz and they know her. And in this investigation, which is

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on the other side where there are
even interviews with this Mr Hall, they

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say that, indeed there were people
who did see the plates, of these

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plates that we talked about, because
the cave becomes famous, precisely because supposedly

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there is the whole history of the
Earth in these prints, because of the

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language in which they are written and
because, moreover, they have been given

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to a father, the Cresp father
who lived in Cuenca, who had not

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only these plates, but gold statues, confirming the veracity of this whole story.

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This is what is told and what
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the history of the cave is deeper. Dale, you' ve got the

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microphone right there. Let' s
see the history that becomes famously world-

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wide is, in fact, first
the prints that father creepi has and are

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spectacular, are gigantic, some about
two meters by a meter, twenty or

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something like that, and appear what
would look like Sumerian characters and all this

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excuse film that disappeared overnight. I
mean, no one knows where they are,

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that this also gives you more mystery
history. Then go on with your

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version. María José, please,
prints that disappeared, I tell you the

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version that is like the most public
one there is, because among all this

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discovery that Juan Moritz makes it turns
out that what attracts attention is that exactly

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on the 21st of July of a
thousand nine hundred and sixty- nine,

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he goes to the Fourth Notary in
Guayaquil and makes a writing saying under oath

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that he has found these plates inside
the cave and that what the plates tell

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would change the history of humanity.
And from there this history of the cave

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becomes very famous, because Moris was
a friend of Fonda Nikn tells the story

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and he writes the Book of the
Treasure of the Gods. And that'

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s why there' s a British
expedition with more than 120 people coming to

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Ecuador, and that' s when
they start looking for these plates and they

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say they' re taking out seven
chests. Seven. Yes, well,

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like large chests filled with things that
were never known to happen, which was

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what they took away and plundered the
roe. Bamas, they looted the cave.

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Some shuars say that they are witnesses
that they took out these chests taking

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away the things they found there.
But this gentleman is in Hall law,

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that I saw him today in an
interview spoken by himself, he says this

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is not true, that they never
got anything out and that they never found

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anything in the cave. And that' s where all this controversy begins to

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know whether or not they actually pulled
it out. But I, if you

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ask me personally, I would believe
you did, you did get a lot

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of things out of the judge.
Well, it' s two minutes to

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the first cut It' s okay
We' re still in the next block,

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but I would like Sebastian' s
opinion, which has two books published,

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so he' s been a lot
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Above what this British gentleman says,
what the Shuar say. The shuars say

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that' s true, that this
guy looted the cave or not Sebastian.

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Well, there' s proof that
you really do. They looted the cave

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In a thousand nine hundred and seventy- six, in the British Ecuadorian expedition

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led by Stanley Hall. As Maria
Joseph said, more than a hundred people

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spent more than a month and a
half in the cave. On this expedition

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was Dylams by the first person who
started the moon more than a thirty-

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three degree, than that when he
returns from the moon, he becomes obsessed

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with the treasures and mysteries of the
world and begins to visit not only Ecuador.

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He visited Uruguay, visited Argentina,
was in various parts of South America

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and the world searching for the treasures
or legends and mysteries he had and that

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is why they invite him to the
expedition of seventy- six, as I

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say to them, led by Scottish
Stanny Hades, and those are a month

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and a half in the cave of
the stems. I have personally interviewed Schwart

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and the old men who were and
were part of the seventy- six expedition,

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which in which the Shuar were simply
cargo donkeys and the Ecuadorian military were

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cargo donkeys as always, who used
to carry equipment and carry suitcases But as

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the British entered the cave of the
stems and prohibited the Shuar and the military

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from entering to a certain place,
I have personally interviewed Shuar old Don José,

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some of the Shuart that Ahorita are
already their age, but those were

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part of the expedition of one thousand
nine hundred seventy- six, and those

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testimonies that it is true that they
took out four fully sealed giant boxes.

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Point a gun because the Sharps were
obviously not going to allow their treasures to

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be taken out, because for them
the cave of the stems is a sacred

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place. The houses of their gods
and all that dwelt, all the things

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that exist so far in the cave
of the stems are sacred to them.

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They weren' t going to allow
it. But point a gun at the

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Ecuadorian military. These four boxes were
lifted from a helicopter completely ceased and they

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took away and that is true that
these real hooligans of the Shuar, which

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they saw with their own eyes,
these four kihats, these four ilrated giant

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boxes that were taken by ready helicopter. Now we' re still waiting.

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But what a shame, what a
shame that they plunder the treasures of the

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ancient peoples of America with that flamboyance. And I don' t know what

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they' re all thinking, but
I' m quite outraged by this story

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corroborated by Sebastian Almeida Dillon' s
interviews with the Shuar who took part in

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that expedition of the seventies in which
they go a lot of British and plunder

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the cave from the stems. Now
that' s true, then he'

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s going to tell us also to
dilan, because I think the cave of

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the stems are miles and miles.
I think it' s, I think

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it' s huge. Sebastian the
looting is true or morizace that the cave

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is known worldwide. There comes a
British group plundering all this with all the

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money in the world. They say
they don' t take anything. They

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will have sold it to people with
lots of money, obviously, but how

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it is inside the cave of the
stems, how many kilometers it has,

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why it is so important for the
shuar I ask you and then go Gonzalito

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will also give me his opinion of
all this, that up to many times

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there ta good. The cave of
the stems is a site of the giant

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caves and caves. It is not
really known the end of the cave of

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what has been mapped by the Ecuadorian
military, by the military that are fully

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trained, that are the Ibias,
that are the ibi. It' s

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a word the Shuart, which means
the jungle demon. But here in Ecuador

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there are the Shuar commandos, already
prepared as military, which is considered one

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of the best military in the world
for its knowledge in jungle and already trained

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as commandos. They' re called
the fights. They have mapped up to

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16 kilometers into the cave of the
stems. But the cave continues and there

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are gigantic galleries, spectacular halls that
have not yet been explored, even now,

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I give a new gossip to me. The previous week I was with

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Jaime ty Waran, the person who
coordinates the expeditions part of the coangu Shuar

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community. The previous week they had
just discovered a new entrance to the Tallos

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cave and, according to what Jaime
told me, it is very similar to

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the real entrance that Juan Morris comments
for the metal library that you have to

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dive through the sinkhole you have to
enter. He' s going out to

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a gallery. Jaime tells me that
it is a gigantic gallery, much larger

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than the cathedral, which is the
place where base camp is made inside the

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cave of the stems. This gallery
recently found, says it is gigantic,

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but gigantic that they have found ceramic
remains that they have already sent me,

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including the photo of a kind of
ball with eyes, and they are very

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excited, because that according to what
is do tell me is the description that

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Juan Morris speaks in his book,
which is the true entrance to the metal

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library that he supposedly found in nineteen
hundred sixty- nine. That is to

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say that until the moment, in
the year we go, new galleries continue

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to be discovered, new revenues to
the cave of the Tallos, because let

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us remember that the cave of the
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border Ecuador with Peru, is gigantic, I mean, really are spectacular

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galleries of the amphitheater, the cathedral, the oratory of the Faces. It

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is an extraordinary thing and so far
mysterious objects, mysterious galleries and, above

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all, new income continue to be
discovered, which gives us new opportunities to

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continue discovering the true treasures of the
cave of the stems and is holy.

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And then I want you to also
tell me your experiences inside of me don

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' t go from this podcast that
you' re going to find me.

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Both Sebastian and Gonzalo. Gonzalo,
the people when they enter the cave of

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the stems the normal in your expeditions. I imagine they come in because of

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that which is known as the cathedral, which is that they let you fall

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down a rope. I don'
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six hundred feet. Explain to me
Gonzalo, how is it that an expedition

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is usually made to that cave of
stems and what it is that you do

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the agencies of lives that then you
are not in the cave. Tell me

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if history, Gonzalo, please,
well, basically the equipment used today is

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quite modern. There is enough security
going down the cave in harness to the

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bottom of the gallery. The two
entrances we are using, which are usually

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those used to enter one sixty-
four meters and the other has one hundred

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and twenty meters in free fall sixty- four or one hundred and twenty meters.

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That' s a building Wait.
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a twenty- story building, yes, right and six hundred and twenty.

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And out there he falls straight,
without touching the PARED with his feet or

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00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.079
anything, because he falls free.
I mean, there' s no way

408
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:48.839
to support PARED. It can be
done, but it almost always leaves in

409
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:53.039
free fall to the ground floor you
already go once you get off the rope

410
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.319
use the flashlights and everything else to
be able to follow the way, when

411
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:02.039
the group is already complete inside the
cave. But I wanted to tell you

412
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:07.599
something that Maria José said and people
don' t take it into account and

413
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:13.960
it' s very important when they' re sanded. He makes the publication

414
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.119
publicly bothering himself in several interviews,
which he gave to television and the press,

415
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:23.440
denying the metal library and everything inside
the cave. The news comes to

416
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:30.960
Petronio Jaramillo, who is outraged with
what he is reading and somehow gets Stanley

417
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:36.319
Hall' s phone and tells him
that this is a lie, that he

418
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.720
was when he was a young man
in the metal library, that he was

419
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:44.079
inside the cave, that he saw
with the shuar all the contents of the

420
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:49.440
Treasury, that he saw all that
pity that at that time, that he

421
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.200
was very young, there was no
camera or there was no such evidence.

422
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:59.559
Then they stay and meet for a
meeting in person and he carries the law

423
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.640
s prepare an expedition to take him
to the Metallic library, because he told

424
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.599
them that he did know where the
metal library was and that he had proof

425
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.839
of the metal library. Coincidentally,
as it happens in all the stories we

426
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:19.640
know, one four days before this
personal interview, to take her to Stanlis

427
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.599
Holla where the metal library was and
he said he had proof of the metal

428
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:28.000
library, he was murdered and to
this day no one knows what happened with

429
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:32.480
aramism oil. It' s just
that that' s a very heavy sheath,

430
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.359
because Petronio Jaramillo is killed carefully with
the film that this is very strong.

431
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.200
Mary Joseph sebastian from here, let
it be a dialogue and you take

432
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:46.000
the word when you want, then
the library is true, it is a

433
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.880
lie. I went down the balcony. This that what they brought to Peter

434
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:54.039
of Crespi was false, or not
aside. It' s just that Moris

435
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.839
took some irons to a notary in
Ecuador. The Ecuadorian Government continues to have

436
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:04.839
them. How I put that sheath
in there they tell you I' m

437
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.119
talking to you easily and quick about
what I was going to do. Recently

438
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.960
with my research I managed to find
a person who is familiar, very close

439
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.239
to Stanley Hall to anil Antro,
and I had in an interview with him.

440
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.639
He casually came here to the island. He interviewed here at my house.

441
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:23.320
He told me to reserve name information
and data because of this question that

442
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:29.440
the subject is very important and very
sensitive. He tells me an experience that

443
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.039
is spectacular. It' s science, fiction, as you say. And

444
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.159
this person doesn' t know about
the cave of the otallo. You know

445
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:37.920
what he' s seen on YouTube, what he' s researched and that,

446
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:39.800
but he doesn' t have much
information on the stock or. He

447
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.360
' s there and I' m
talking to him about the stock or stalks

448
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:49.719
and he tells me that they in
a house that was owned by nil Antro

449
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.480
in Texas, underground, in a
bunker, have some of these pieces that

450
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:57.840
were taken from the stem cave.
What happened at the beginning of them make

451
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:02.280
the facilities this house of nil Antron
At that time they had the most modern

452
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:09.000
surveillance systems that currently had. What
happened that a year says that with about

453
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:14.360
two years after having had this in
the boom that all of a sudden the

454
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:19.440
alarms were going off, all had
sound rings so they wouldn' t pull

455
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.960
me off so they wouldn' t
throw hidden cameras at me, so they

456
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:25.280
wouldn' t sensor temperature movements.
I don' t know what it says

457
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:30.039
that a lot of types of sensors
that had and were skipping the total alarms

458
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:35.400
that didn' t drag, gets
upset and calls those who did the installation

459
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:39.280
and orders to change the entire surveillance
system because when they checked the cameras there

460
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.639
was nothing, that is, there
was no sign of violation. Then what

461
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.239
happened sent him to change the entire
camera system and it happened about a year

462
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.320
or two when all of a sudden
all the wings jumped again in two or

463
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.880
three days they changed the cameras and
jumped back the wings. And then he

464
00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:00.679
thought it was a defect of the
equipment that was installing him and broke the

465
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.760
contract because he thought he said to
sue the company, but what he did

466
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.079
was change from for another company that
would make him a new installation with security

467
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:13.880
to give him guarantees. They reinstall
the entire alarm system and everything worked very

468
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:19.159
well. He says that about a
year later all souls jump again. Same

469
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.519
story. Then they come back to
the company. It comes with some professionals,

470
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:29.280
already managers of the company make the
measurements and the alamas kept jumping.

471
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.320
They didn' t know why all
the alarms went off. There were low

472
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.079
frequencies, they were detected as being
recording, like they were doing some sort

473
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:42.239
of thing like illegally. In there
and in there. He hires a specialist

474
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:46.079
team to come and measure everything to
see what was going on. The team

475
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:50.880
comes in about four or five days. Coincidenceally, when the team comes,

476
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.199
nothing I mean, everything was normal. The objects were still normal, they

477
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:59.480
' re all normal. Then the
man tells them when you see the rings

478
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.159
come up, send me to look
for me to come to measure. They

479
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:06.480
warn the man and he says that
one to a few weeks later, months

480
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.239
later, they jump the wings.
Quickly comes the man with the equipment begins

481
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:13.119
to measure, and when they begin
to measure the equipment that were from the

482
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:19.599
cave of the stems, he narrates
what the engineer said for the moment his

483
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:25.760
impression and tells him these objects have
life of their own. He says no

484
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.320
to the investigator and those who were
with him in the room. No.

485
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:35.039
I don' t understand why they
broadcast radio frequency, when they' re

486
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:37.400
objects or metal, I don'
t understand why they broadcast that. And

487
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.079
so he scans each of the objects
and so that they don' t keep

488
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:45.760
jumping the lasma, they say they
had a deeper vault, they pull out

489
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:47.320
all the equipment that was from the
cave of the stems, they put them

490
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.519
in this basement, which was like
a deeper cellar. They isolate them from

491
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:57.599
the place and he says that after
they did that the alarms calmed down,

492
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:00.360
I mean, it' s been
a long time without the alarms ringing,

493
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.320
but a very rare thing happened.
He says he was in charge of this

494
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.800
estate. He lived in a room
with quite security and one day he was

495
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:13.880
introduced at night to a being like
a Nordic light that appeared to him in

496
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.320
the room, but he saw him
as physically saying that he doesn' t

497
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:20.639
know how he came in, how
he opened the doors, how the rings

498
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:22.960
didn' t sound. Nothing happened
and he says that all he said to

499
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:30.000
him was that Nilantro had already died, he went to curiously, before he

500
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.119
died, Nilantro tells him if anything
happens to me and I die, get

501
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.800
together with the family and these things
bring them back to the place where we

502
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:43.719
took them. He tells him that, and it' s awesome because he

503
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.519
says that after he dies nil antro
and spends two or three months, he

504
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.039
approaches this person to the house,
in the room where he slept and tells

505
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.719
him and tells him what happens,
that he hasn' t yet taken the

506
00:38:54.800 --> 00:39:00.039
pieces to where they took it and
he told him I need you to take

507
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.000
care of it if they won'
t have a problem and suddenly the being

508
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.719
goes away. But he says that
casually two or three days later all the

509
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.840
wings went back, even the teams
had them underground in another basement apart and

510
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:15.679
he says the vibrations and the relationship
was like there were microphone cameras and they

511
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:20.840
didn' t explain that, that' s not how to apply. No,

512
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.360
but that no more counts is an
informative bombing. Thank you very much,

513
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:28.239
Gonzalo. That' s outrageous.
So, now, Maria, José

514
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:32.360
Roballo, sebastian that there are the
bugs. What' s the matter with

515
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:36.679
this library, because now it turns
out that neilaster, even though I knew

516
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.320
the guy with this, Stanley Hall
had to correct me. If I'

517
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:45.079
m wrong without Hage Lastrong and Stanlinghall
had a relationship, it' s okay

518
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.360
to correct me. And what the
hell is going on? The plates that

519
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.960
Father Cresti really had bio moris,
plates from that library eye, were real,

520
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:58.280
because we would be talking about something
that could change the history of humanity.

521
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.199
What do you think? I think
it is, it is real because,

522
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.280
as I tell you, doing more
research and seeing here there are a

523
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:13.320
lot of old, old interviews and
there is a person who talks very interesting

524
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.480
things. By the way, what
Gonzalo said left me with my mouth open

525
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.119
to death. So that' s
not all. I' m in shock.

526
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.840
She' s amazing. But there
is a man named Gastón Fernández Borrero,

527
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:28.519
and this man is also important because
he is an Ecuadorian who took Moritz

528
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:32.639
the first time inside the cave and
he has some incredible photos that are not

529
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.960
published, that you don' t
see in that interview. I hope I

530
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:43.280
can get them out where he shows
another part of the cave, where there

531
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.800
was obviously some civilization, because there
are stones cut more or less so that

532
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:49.559
you have an idea. I don' t know if you' ve seen

533
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.320
the punctuous puma stones that are cut, but millimetrically no one knows how they

534
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:58.000
were made. Well, there are
exactly the same stones that he has some

535
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.039
photos, because he, in this
interview shows lasso tells what he did and

536
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:05.280
shows some galleries that are not so
common. I don' t know if

537
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:09.559
sebastian I' ve seen them,
but the stones are cut in a millimeter

538
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:15.039
way and I' m even talking
about some galleries that the photos are amazing

539
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:21.440
because they look like a perfectly constructed
passageway and you see other passageways that are

540
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.199
like sealed so that people can'
t pass. And I think that also

541
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:29.079
had to do with the British expedition, because we had commented as many put

542
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:32.840
some dynamites so that certain parts of
the cave would be closed and people could

543
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:37.159
not access. Now with what I
tell you, there are people very cerratia,

544
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.639
very serious from here, like elu
Follo Jaime Rodríguez, who today I

545
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:46.960
heard for the first time say that
he saw the prints personally saw them and

546
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:52.079
those that had crespi He saw them
and has visual and mental record of him,

547
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:57.159
same that he saw and knew these
prints. What is the problem that,

548
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.840
after these real prints existed, other
forgeries were made, as on all

549
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:06.119
sides. And that' s when
he went into doubt that if they existed

550
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:09.440
and not, but from the mouth
of lufollo Jaime Rodríguez, who is a

551
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.360
very serious and recognized person here in
Ecuador, he says that he saw them

552
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:19.119
and that they are real. Wow, that' s another bombshell. Sebastian.

553
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.960
It' s just that I'
m really heavy, man, that

554
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.280
' s because there' s also
a thing here that skates me tremendously.

555
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:30.920
Why they murdered Petronio Jaramillo, who
is the one who leads Moritz, is

556
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.840
the one who is there. Know
about the topic, that is to see

557
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.920
tell me your opinion about this whole
story and you have the micro ahead friend

558
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:45.480
of Bela. Thank you, well, we' re going around here because

559
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:47.360
we have so much information that we' re mixing a lot of things spent.

560
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.199
He was on the first expedition with
Juan Morris, the photos he has.

561
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.159
I' ve been in those galleries
with salt, been with me.

562
00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:00.480
It' s the treasure room.
It also has this where you will find

563
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:07.880
the walls and ceilings completely smooth.
It is where the Metallic Library is supposedly

564
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:12.440
located and on the expedition of seventy- six the Suara claim that they heard

565
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:17.239
three four explosions to erase the evidence
of British looting. And that is dynamic

566
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:25.400
truth. Really Mother Glorias, these
photos that have this gentleman who was in

567
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.800
the sixty- nine, you can
see clarite, the Morris Arch, which

568
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:36.760
is this artificial construction, which is
the real name, It is the passage

569
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:39.000
of the Chiri and the Great Lord
of the Emperor. That' s the

570
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:44.079
real name. First, before I
skip, when that part goes down,

571
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:50.159
it' s called the chimney the
cathedral at the other entrance, where they

572
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.840
' re 120 meters sorry. That' s the oratory of faces. The

573
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:58.760
cathedral is where base camp is made, which is like a gigantic coliseum,

574
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:05.239
where tents are built to leave all
things and begin explorations. Now we have

575
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.480
to bear in mind that the cave, so far, until today, treasures

576
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:15.280
are still being discovered. I inform
them because they pass the information to me

577
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.679
the shuars. Those are barely getting
in every week. Those guys come in

578
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.360
all the time. Those guys find
something. Even fifteen days ago they found

579
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:31.199
a figure of a lady says of
a fully carved ceramic woman. Even a

580
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:37.039
short time ago a sumi sphinx was
found, because it can be seen in

581
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:39.280
the part of an owl was made
of stone. It was an owl that

582
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:45.000
throughout the plumage is the typical Sumerian
carving with the turites, characteristic of Sumerian

583
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:50.960
culture. That means that the cave
of the stems, as I always mention,

584
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:55.559
even Mary Joseph also mentioned the totally
smooth stones. I in my first

585
00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:00.920
pure book and make this comparison with
Pumapungo with that guanaco, because myself,

586
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:06.679
in my first book I make this
cooperative and find the stones totally smooth.

587
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:13.679
But the most incredible thing is that
they meet the notches, this notch that

588
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.679
united the two stones when they melted
a metal, these notches that are found

589
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.719
in Pumapungo, in Tiahuanaco, These
stones exist in the cave of the stems

590
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:27.000
totally smooth with the notches of Union
And I, in my first book,

591
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.039
I put the photographs and compare with
the cave stones of the stems, with

592
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:36.199
the stones of Pumapungo. I in
the cave of the tago in the school

593
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.960
of the stems, I go researching
twenty years of which I go fifteen years

594
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:45.960
doing field research and spent in the
jungle several days to investigate, but above

595
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:52.119
all, to investigate the real treasure
of the cave of the stems. I

596
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.079
know that the cave of the stems
we have mystery of Father Carolo Crespo,

597
00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.760
and this Italian father settled in basin
since nineteen hundred and twenty- eight,

598
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:06.159
after the Hungarian Argentine John Morris in
sixty- nine, then Erick Bondaniken,

599
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.079
who published the Golden Book of the
Gods in seventy- two, the British

600
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:14.519
expedition of seventy- six, led
by Stan and Hall, because it was

601
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.800
in Millapston. But the real treasure, the real treasure that the Tallos cave

602
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.760
has is precisely the theory of hollow
earth, the belief that there is a

603
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:30.079
more advanced civilization in the depths of
the Ecuadorian jungle. The stalts, the

604
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:36.440
punk zunkis and the arulta in the
nuncui, these beings that inhabit and that

605
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.280
the shuar believe exist within the cave
of the stems. These zunkis are the

606
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.920
tutus, these little elongated- eyed
beings. I have had the opportunity of

607
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:52.280
an expedition of two thousand seventeen to
find a stone shaped like the head of

608
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.840
a Zunki, with the eye sockets
totally black and that I brought. I

609
00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:00.280
had a chance to bring Kakito in
for an investigation and obviously returned him.

610
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.519
It is right now in the cave
of the stems, this head of this

611
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.840
Zunki, and right there it is
very coincidental with what Gonzalito told us,

612
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:14.159
with these pieces, that had that
Mir of Custos of Millangstone, that were

613
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.360
very energetic, that alarms were activated
and everything is true. I, when

614
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:21.800
I had this stone, this stone
that you can see in my second book,

615
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:28.480
the call that is called Chaía in
the investigation, I had an Argentine

616
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.400
friend who told me not to put
anything electronic near it and it' s

617
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:36.880
true just what Gonzalito says, I
had him in the studio in my house

618
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.000
and it didn' t work for
me. The Internet, it didn'

619
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:43.320
t work for me the computer,
it disconnected my computers, it turned off

620
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.119
my television, it was an infinity
of things I said. I never thought

621
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:52.079
it was the stone, but when
this Argentine friend of mine told me it

622
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:58.639
' s a rock with a lot
of energy, don' t leave it

623
00:47:58.679 --> 00:47:59.599
anywhere near electronic things because it'
s going to hurt you. And it

624
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.320
' s true. The Internet didn' t work, the TV didn'

625
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:07.239
t work, it went out when
I moved it. Everything worked out again

626
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:09.800
something incredible, that is just what
Gonzalito says, and it' s true.

627
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:15.199
I want to tell you a story
that happened to me 15 days ago,

628
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.960
super crazy. I know there are
times when you think everything already thinks

629
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.360
it' s mystery. Not because
things happen. I said recently. Fifteen

630
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:30.480
days ago an interview for a Spanish
channel of a great researcher. On the

631
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.760
second day a Brazilian gentleman contacted me, something super crazy. He didn'

632
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:36.880
t tell me the name. He
told me he heard the interview. This

633
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:42.039
Brazilian gentleman contacted me and began to
tell me that he does not know the

634
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.039
cave, but that he and the
daughter are being introduced, which was not

635
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:50.440
obvious, a daughter that he could
not see. Small beings with elongated eyes

636
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.679
are presented to him and to the
daughter and that these beings are from the

637
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:59.800
cave of the stems and that those
asked her to contact him through this report.

638
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.159
Dan with me. He' s
contacting me. This Brazilian man was

639
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:07.960
super weird, super weird, so
to me he was super rabid. I

640
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:12.920
only listened to him because he massed
and told me about these beings. Something

641
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.119
coincidental. I don' t know, my TV was damaged. I lost

642
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.639
the Internet while I was talking to
him and he was telling me. These

643
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:23.119
beings asked him to contact you and
I said, but what message you want

644
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:27.719
to give me they told me no. The message they want to give you

645
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.480
is what you' ve been doing
during damage. Simply give a true message,

646
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:35.599
the true treasure of the stem rope
and, above all, its protection

647
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.960
and care. Because he told me
this sere tells me that the entrance of

648
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:45.480
the chimney where we entered and it
is already a very polluted income and that

649
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:50.599
the beings are angry, that we
have to look for another income, the

650
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.239
real income. And it coincides with
what Jaime told me the previous week that

651
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.320
he found a new entrance to the
cave of the stems and that these beings

652
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:02.039
have told him that we have to
continue to erect the message of protection and

653
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:08.119
care of the cave of the stems. Holy God go history and in the

654
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:15.000
end, it does happen that there
is a lot of evidence that that library

655
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:21.079
would tell us about a humanity before
this humanity in which men and God lived

656
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:25.599
together on the face of the earth. It would be true and this seems

657
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:30.039
to me to be a real pass. Then ask why there' s practically

658
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:34.159
no time left. But then to
ask for these pieces that, supposedly Juan

659
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.599
Moris gave a notary and whether or
not the Ecuadorian government still has it.

660
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:42.119
But before you close very briefly that
you have in a second sebastian how people

661
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.599
can get your book of course yes, they can gladly contact me on my

662
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:50.760
social networks. As I told you, as sebastian Almaida Dillong, right now

663
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:54.800
internationally, I have in digital format
you will be happy to contact me and

664
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:59.639
I can send you anywhere in the
world by email. Po Wie transfuse my

665
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:01.639
two books. The first book is
the Diario de viaje a la Cueva de

666
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:07.079
los Tallos, where we tell just
what is the Legend of the Stems,

667
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.480
Father Carrolo c es Pijoamors de Bong
Danique. And my second book, which

668
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:15.920
is from the so- called research
work on the Shuar worldview and the beings

669
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.679
of the underworld, which I have
just commented to you, Ahorita and de

670
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.239
Tallo, which is a Zunki,
which is a talto, which is the

671
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.719
punk that is the harp, which
is the Duncul All these mystical beings that

672
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:37.719
live within the cave of the stems, submerging us in a story that I

673
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:43.800
do not know I am fascinated by
because we would be talking magnet, not

674
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.519
least of a hidden library, in
a cave that, apart from being the

675
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:53.719
entrance to an underground world where we
will be told experiences Saint Sebastian as Gonzalo,

676
00:51:54.880 --> 00:52:00.559
a concealment of a library that would
tell us about humanity before humanity.

677
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.239
And just as I was going to
cut for the next block was Maria José

678
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.280
Roballo, who was there that jumped
me over the microphone. What a fact,

679
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.519
you wanted and what you wanted to
comment, apart from all this story

680
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:13.159
that I' m going to review
in five seconds briefly. First, Father

681
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:17.440
Crespi picks up some plates that come
out of the cave of the stems.

682
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:24.239
Then the speléologist Juan Morich, Hungarian
Argentine, goes there. Then it reaches

683
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:30.119
some very nice British gentlemen in the
seventies at the head are licole and plunder

684
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:35.079
the cave of the stems. And
he who has information about all this because

685
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:39.679
he would have entered the cave long
before Pretonio Petrónio Jaramillo was murdered. And

686
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:44.679
what Maria José Robárez wanted to tell
me, two things. One telling them

687
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.199
that in what he left the writing
made in the notary Juan Moritz, exactly

688
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:54.280
what he wrote was this. I
have discovered valuable objects of great cultural and

689
00:52:54.360 --> 00:53:00.920
historical value for humanity. The objects
consist especially of the metal earth, which

690
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:06.880
probably contain a summary of the history
of an extinct civilization of which we do

691
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:13.039
not have the slightest hint to date. This is what he literally says among

692
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:19.239
the scriptures he left and also tell
them that Petronio Jaramillo had not only this

693
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.480
investigation. But this is something that
does remain for another show, because I,

694
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.519
when I investigated him, was surprised. Tronio jarami I not only knew

695
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:29.679
the true entrances to the cave of
the stems. He even went on to

696
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:34.639
say that Moritz did not know as
much as he did, but that he

697
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:39.360
too had found on the Yanganate side, where exactly the treasure of Atahualpa was

698
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:45.679
located. And that' s when
he was going to talk about all these

699
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:50.079
locations, when he was murdered and
had a very important relationship. The place

700
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.920
where he had found the Treasure of
Tahualpa, which somehow connected to the Cave

701
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.159
of the Tallos, but did not
reach it. To say, that'

702
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.000
s what I wanted to tell you
for people who already know what' s

703
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.400
going on with Ecuador, that that
was another podcast worth mysteries of Ecuador,

704
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:12.719
that that' s already and pre
promised here, when Tahualpa is arrested by

705
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.960
blackboard in Cajamarca, what says in
the famous fourth the rescue that has to

706
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:19.639
fill him a quarter of gold and
such and his best general Rumiñagui, who

707
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.000
was Ecuadorian Ori indigenous Ecuadorian, goes
through all the gold that the Incas had

708
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:28.719
in the northern part of the Empire
and on his return, he learns that

709
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:32.159
Atahualpa has died And what he does
is that he buries the treasure in the

710
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:37.000
Yanganates mountain range. These are all
historical facts and we would be talking about

711
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:43.559
the greatest treasure in human history.
Eye on this, but that' s

712
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:50.920
for another show. Then I wanted
to comment both Sebastian and Gonzalo and Quereis

713
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.519
Vale. We' re forgetting something
that I think is important. Not forgetting

714
00:54:53.559 --> 00:55:02.000
is that in two hours there is
a lot of information The Shuar hu is

715
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:06.199
the relationship of the Shuwart with the
cave. Why it is so important in

716
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:10.159
their cosmogony, what relationship you have
you know the Shuar and you go by

717
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:15.079
their hand how it has to be
to reach the cave of the stems.

718
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:19.159
I think the last speaker was Sebastian
Gonzalo. If you want how this relationship

719
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:23.039
of the Shuart with the cave,
what is its consumpvision? And then the

720
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:28.239
worldview of the usuar with respect to
the cave of the stems is based.

721
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.760
As history tells us, as they
tell us, the relationship with the ancestral

722
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:37.159
gods from which they come from another
civilization, the connection that there is with

723
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:43.280
the gods. Schwars come out of
the cave after the great flood, that

724
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.800
is, we are talking about a
very long historical transcendence, far back.

725
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:52.519
Then this whole worldview of the Suars
goes out to protect the entrance to the

726
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.920
cave. As in all the stories
we know, the gods promised to come

727
00:55:55.920 --> 00:56:00.400
back. They had to care for
and protect the caves connect a lot with

728
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:06.519
the gods through dreams of visions that
feel of messages that reach their head and

729
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:10.639
they don' t know how to
interpret it as they actually get it.

730
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.079
Then they transmit it to you like
a dream, like a vision like a

731
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:21.280
story. A little like this,
inside the cave to Joseph and they have

732
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.480
had several dreams or visions within the
cave, just like when they are in

733
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.920
the Community. The Community is very
close to the entrance to the cave.

734
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.400
The suars with the relationship of the
cave have been there for hundreds of thousands

735
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:35.280
of years. So much so that
the territory they have protected it as much

736
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:39.000
as we all know the user'
s head reductions, the protection of the

737
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:44.519
jungle, a whole lot of stories
and anecdotes that are also mysterious, because

738
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.360
we don' t understand them.
But neither the Incas could bend the usuars

739
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:52.920
when the conquest, nor could the
Spaniards bend, even though they had all

740
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:58.039
the weapons, all the logistics,
all the supplies so to speak in the

741
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:02.719
jungle. The huari are some sort
of protectors of nature and the cave that

742
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:10.920
achieve this practically divine connection that I
sometimes sense with my experience sometimes receives signals

743
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:16.960
in your mind that tell you which
way to go, where not to go,

744
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.760
what to do, what not to
do. And in my life of

745
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.559
exploration I always like myself a lot
for this kind of sensations. And that

746
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.760
' s what the Shuarts do.
That' s why they triumph in all

747
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:36.119
the things Lushual does as if the
cave spoke to you as if suddenly I

748
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.599
told you not around here, over
there. And then it would also be

749
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:44.519
very important what dreams you have inside
the cave, because it is the world

750
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.280
of the gods. Yeah, it' s fascinating what they tell me.

751
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.760
They talk about a portal or dimensional
doors, because he explains to me that

752
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:57.159
they usually see the rock wall as
a wall, but when they come in

753
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:00.159
the dream to that wall it'
s like transparent. I mean, it

754
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.960
' s accomplished like there' s
nothing physical stopping you. You can stop

755
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.639
by that hallway to get into the
metal library. They speak of the fact

756
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:15.920
that the true metal library, where
there is all this ancient cultural heritage of

757
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:20.360
wisdom left for our civilization, is
still inside the cave of the Stems.

758
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:28.039
That is why the British and Freemasonry
still insist and all the organizations and expeditions

759
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:32.760
that are not well vinida or well
received, have not been able to locate

760
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:36.840
the core of the cave of the
stems, where is the real metal library.

761
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:42.159
That' s why research continues on
how strong Almeida sebastian. You were

762
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.960
talking to me. I want you
to tell me also your vision of the

763
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:51.480
relationship of the cave shuarcos. But
you also talked to me about beings like

764
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:55.320
the taltus, the shunkys, who
live there for the shuars. How is

765
00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:01.320
that cosmogony and those headquarters that are
inside the cave. Of course, just

766
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:05.840
to look a little further, what
Gonzalito said is true, that is,

767
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:10.440
the true treasure of the cave,
of the stems, these interdimensional doors that

768
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:16.559
are still being sought. Even in
the two thousand twenty- two was here

769
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:21.679
Will Smith, but will Smith was
simply the familiar face to the pretty face,

770
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.960
because again the British were a month
stuck in the stem cave for a

771
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:31.559
month stuffed with computers. Again they
forbidden the shuars to approach, take pictures,

772
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:37.559
talk again again they used donkeys of
load and shame that they shame.

773
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:42.639
And we' re talking about a
year ago, because it was in December

774
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:46.760
of the two thousand twenty- two
that the boom was made in Ecuador,

775
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:51.679
that Will Smith' s artist was
coming to sign a documentary for Nagio.

776
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:55.119
He was on the Alaui train,
he was in Quito and he was going

777
00:59:55.119 --> 01:00:00.000
to go to the cave of the
stems, including the Ministry of Tourism,

778
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.599
to us, others, the guides
by profession or to the people who do

779
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:07.760
the explorations to the cave of the
stems sent us an email, forbidding us

780
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:13.039
entry from such date to such date, because he was going to go to

781
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.159
the logistics of will Smith, but
it was not will smithwills Mith was arrived

782
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.599
by helicopter, came down, took
photos, took the helicopter and left.

783
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:24.119
But the real reason was that the
British stayed a month in the cave of

784
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:29.639
the stems and the Shuars tell me
that it was all full of computers and

785
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.679
that they were forbidden to talk,
take pictures, dialogue with them. And

786
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:38.559
I was asking Jaime that he'
s the Shuar friend, but why did

787
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:45.079
they come? And Jaime tells me
that those were listening to what these British

788
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:52.519
were talking about on these interdimensional doors, that those came to look for this

789
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:53.480
interdimensional door in December of the two
thousand twenty- two. I mean,

790
01:00:53.679 --> 01:01:00.599
that' s why they were here
and, according to the cosmolvition of the

791
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:04.679
Shuar peoples, I remind them that
the cave of the Stems is a sacred

792
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.719
place, as Gonzalito said, where
their theory, their world view. They

793
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:14.119
say that they lived beside their gods
and that after the great flood they were

794
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:17.400
commanded to go out and become the
protectors and custodians of the cave of the

795
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:22.320
Stems. They speak even at the
moment of entering the cave of the Stems

796
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:27.199
and excuse sebastian, that is,
that the cave would be the place where

797
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:30.239
the gods, with some men,
would have hidden themselves when the flood.

798
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:37.079
Yes the theory exactly of Shuar belief. They lived together to their gods and

799
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:42.519
the moment the waters came down and
all this catastrophe of the great flood calmed

800
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:47.079
down, the gods ordered the Shuar
to become protectors and custodians. That is

801
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:52.320
why the Coangu Shuar Community sits half
an hour from the chimney of the entrance

802
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.280
of the cave of the stems for
those to become their custodians. Therefore,

803
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.840
at the time of entering the cave
of the stems, You To enter the

804
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:04.440
cave of the stems, you have
to ask permission first to the route to

805
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:07.880
the Rutan. It is the power
of the jungle and the Shuar, when

806
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:14.360
entering the cave, those chant a
song asking permission of the talu Wa,

807
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.880
the stem Wais of the stem bird, the theotor Is caripensis. This bird

808
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.480
that is a custodian and is a
sacred bird, not only for the shuars,

809
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.920
but at the level of all South
America, known as the guacharos,

810
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.679
the witches. They are sacred birds
because they are believed to be the custodians

811
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:35.480
of the underworld. They' re
practically blind birds. They' re nocturnal

812
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:38.519
and when you' re going in, they start loatizing. The squawks of

813
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:45.159
the stems are very scandalous, very
ugly that these squawks supposedly warn the beings

814
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.840
of the underworld, that strangers are
going to enter the cave of the stems.

815
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:52.079
Therefore, in the Shuar chant they
ask permission of the Taluwa and ask

816
01:02:52.159 --> 01:03:00.199
permission of Livianchi. The Livianche is
supposedly a giant stinking being who lives inside

817
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:05.079
the cave and who has the faculty
and has the ability to become several animals

818
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:09.239
like a giant anaconda that they know
him as the punk, who inhabits within

819
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:14.719
the cave, an anaconda of thirty
meters that comes out every six months to

820
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:20.159
feed on a human and the purity
and energy of the jungle. These also

821
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:23.719
talk about stalts. These jumps are
beings of light, higher beings, beings

822
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:29.719
much more evolved than us, who
are the true owners of the cave and

823
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:34.800
those have the help of the kunkis. These small beings, very similar to

824
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.559
the grey ones, with elongated eyes
that the usual know as the Tutus,

825
01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:45.639
These Tutus, these beings, the
Shuar, even claim that they often see

826
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.760
them on the banks of the river
playing with their young. These tutus are

827
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.639
the protectors of these beings. But
on several expeditions that I have had the

828
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.199
opportunity to be in the cave of
the stems and heard with shamans, with

829
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:02.920
very few people, and these people, these shamans, have told me that

830
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:08.800
inside the cave, as there are
good beings, there are evil beings.

831
01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:13.159
Always as in all theory we are
talking about duality. The good or the

832
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:16.159
bad, the black and the white, the top down. Duality is always

833
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:20.920
present and in the cave of the
stems several masters, several shamans that I

834
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:26.199
have had the opportunity to go with
them to these expeditions, because the idea

835
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:29.960
is precisely of my trips to the
cave of the stems, it is the

836
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:33.480
energetic part, the part of respect, the part of learning about these people.

837
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:40.079
That is why I have had with
geologists, with botanists, with only

838
01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:44.199
you geographers, with shamans, because
the idea is to learn, to know

839
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:48.159
much more and, above all,
to experience these energies that provide us the

840
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.119
cuerva of the stems. And these
samans have told me how there are good

841
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:56.880
beings, there are bad beings.
And there have been expeditions that have been

842
01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:01.159
surrounded by evil beings, which with
ceremonies of purification. It has been possible

843
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:06.159
to frighten and chase away these beings
from negative energies, my mother, that

844
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:11.199
is, a whole series of beings
who, according to the Shuars, live

845
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:16.119
there, because really the cave of
the stems at the door or an underworld

846
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:19.039
where there are beings that we do
not know, but not common. Yes,

847
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:27.000
yes, the Shuart know that they
live there using an interdimensional portal which

848
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.199
I know is also seen a lot
of the Shuar theme. It' s

849
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:34.480
Maria José Roballo, who hasn'
t talked about how she is with you

850
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:39.360
in a while She also knows a
lot about the Shuar theme, about the

851
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:44.440
Shuar world in the jungle and about
the cave of the stems as an interdimensional

852
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:48.119
portal to where the gods live.
I just wanted to say that I have

853
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:53.039
had the opportunity to talk to the
Shuars, with the guas, with the

854
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:57.159
guuranis, with some of those of
these ethnicities. And for them, even

855
01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:00.320
if it seems strange to us,
it is not strange for them to talk

856
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.559
about entities. For them it is
not strange to speak of beings of light,

857
01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:09.960
of beings, of goblins, of
extraterrestrials. When you feel like talking

858
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:14.280
to them, let' s say
in a more friendly way, when they

859
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:15.800
have some confidence in you. There
are two things that tell you. One

860
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:21.920
that there are always limits to where
the gods or these beings of light mainly

861
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:27.159
let them in. And in the
cave of their stems they always tell you

862
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:30.760
that there are places where they give
you permission to access and where they give

863
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:34.679
you permission not to access. Even
if you wanted to go somehow, that

864
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:39.679
portal closes. As they also tell
you that there are people who do for

865
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.840
some reason we don' t know, they can access. Maybe they have

866
01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:46.000
a higher level of consciousness. I
do not know, but they have been

867
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:48.719
able to access, but not only
there in the cave of the stems,

868
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:53.760
but as I tell them, in
these worldviews of the people of the jungle.

869
01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:58.880
They tell you how they have interacted
with these beings, how they see

870
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.320
them on the banks of rivers,
how for them, for example, these

871
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:08.360
giant snakes are sacred, how,
through trees and nature, chance in beings,

872
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:12.960
how beings have come down from heaven, to tell them about agriculture,

873
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:16.840
to tell them everything that we have
heard at world level, that higher beings

874
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:27.079
have taught us without knowing all that. They tell you the same story that

875
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:31.679
they come from other sides to teach
them how they can make crops, how

876
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:36.280
they can choose such a plant.
And it is precisely the Shuarts who,

877
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:43.599
as we discussed once before, have
a whole pharmacy if we want to call

878
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:47.880
it medicinal in the jungle, and
they know how to cure absolutely all evils

879
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:54.960
and that also many of them comment
that it comes from this as an ancestral

880
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:58.519
theory that their gods have taught them. And what surprises me most. And

881
01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:00.920
that surely with something he also knows, just like Sebastian, that we have

882
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:05.320
commented on it a thousand thousand times. The most important thing is the naturalness

883
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:11.000
with which they speak. That'
s why they' re also the ones

884
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:14.119
we remember reducing heads in this place
where the cave of the stems is,

885
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:16.800
that' s where the Shuar people
are, that makes the head reduction and

886
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:23.479
that' s through knowledge of plants
and mixtures of ancestral plants that we can

887
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:26.159
' t know either. But if
they ask themselves why, because for them,

888
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:29.880
in order for you, rather,
to know something about their secret,

889
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.760
you have to share the same blood
as they do, that is, it

890
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:38.600
must be of the same cultural ethnicity, look at me in that sense,

891
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:42.880
what María José Roballo said. In
case anyone thinks he exaggerates with the remedies

892
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:46.720
that the shuars have for certain diseases, I have an anecdote. I would

893
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:50.159
also comment on the podcast that we
did in the hidden behind the shadow,

894
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:56.079
and that is that I once many
years ago. Mother of mine more than

895
01:08:56.119 --> 01:09:00.399
twenty years ago, in the magazineÑo Cero appeared an interview with a man

896
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:04.840
named Josep María Ferikla, an anthropologist
who is a professor at the Autonomous University

897
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:12.800
of Barcelona, hifericla who lived many
years with the Schwarts commented how he had

898
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:16.199
the knowledge of a plant that the
Shuars used, so that if someone fractured

899
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:20.520
a leg, a bone, an
arm, in a few days with that

900
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:28.760
in plates of that grass, they
managed that the fracture was practically cured and

901
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:34.399
the guy could walk again. All
this, and another herb she made was

902
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:39.800
a natural birth control. She said
that Shuart women when they had to emigrate

903
01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:45.640
or move to avoid getting pregnant,
because they took that herb and were not

904
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:49.199
menstruating for several months. And besides, he said publicly that he wanted to

905
01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:55.159
sit with American pharmaceutical companies sob from
wherever they went, and that he gave

906
01:09:55.239 --> 01:10:01.920
him the knowledge of those plants in
exchange for signing that a portion of the

907
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:06.119
commercial exploitation of these drugs had to
go to the Shuars and he never got

908
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:09.760
it. The pharmacists didn' t
want to pay him, I mean,

909
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:11.960
they didn' t want to not
pay him. He wanted a percentage and

910
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.760
never got it. I mean,
because these people really have a knowledge of

911
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:20.600
the tremendous ancestral plants. What I
did not know was that it was very

912
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:24.399
close to the cave of the stems, one of the places where the famous

913
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:30.159
hoops were made, the heads reduced. Now, Gonzalo didn' t know

914
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:33.920
that. I wanted to say something. Yes, to comment part of what

915
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:39.720
María José and Sebastián said, still
the sansa was done with the reduction of

916
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:44.640
head, with a series of herbs
and plants. But I also wanted to

917
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:48.159
comment to you in general as it
happens today with most human beings, of

918
01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:54.439
the people in the meta universe that
we have and that we live, All

919
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:58.039
shuars do not have access to the
cave of the stems. All shuar do

920
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:03.760
not know wisdom ses is not allowed
to most. Only some chosen are those

921
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:08.680
who know true wisdom, those who
have the divine connection, so to speak,

922
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:14.199
with these beings and with these connections
of the underworld that and as Mary

923
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:17.079
Joseph said, when you already have
intimacy with them. When they trust you,

924
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:20.720
they accept you into the community and
have you a little more than trust.

925
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:29.039
Respect also for themselves confess things to
you with incredible naturalness. It'

926
01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:31.399
s like they' re talking about
their own life, but such and normal,

927
01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:36.760
then they talk about things and facts
that are often confusing for most people.

928
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:41.800
And it happens that Sebastian has to
have happened to the groups that carry

929
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.960
more tourists than me. It'
s just that a lot of people walk

930
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:47.359
into the stem cave. It comes
out of the cave of stems, many

931
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:49.920
people and you don' t.
I thought it was normal. It'

932
01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:54.000
s nothing of the other world.
I don' t know what, I

933
01:11:54.039 --> 01:12:00.920
don' t know how much they
speculate about things they experienced in their own

934
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:04.399
flesh, but they don' t
value the ancestral part, the part of

935
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:08.000
vision, and the ancestral and mystical
worldview that' s inside the cave,

936
01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:13.399
that is, they' re people
who, even if they go with the

937
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:14.600
will in the cave, close the
opportunity to see beyond what they' re

938
01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:19.279
seeing. It' s like when
an artist or a person goes to a

939
01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:24.239
gallery to observe a painting and each
of the people who stop you in front

940
01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:28.600
of the painting see different things about
the same painting and they can tell you

941
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:30.199
different things. The same thing happens
in the cave of the stems. Many

942
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:34.159
people who visit the cave for stories, by legend, perhaps, by an

943
01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:39.680
initiative to try, discover or see
something, are left without the possibility of

944
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:43.880
discovering or seeing something beyond the normal, because it is their will, it

945
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:47.560
is their personality that does not allow
them to connect with nature, connect with

946
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:51.880
what is inside the cave and cannot
interpret or see anything, because there are

947
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:58.399
people who do not go with an
open mind and with a clean soul,

948
01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:01.600
which is what I think is necessary
to be able to connect with those subtle

949
01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:05.920
energies that are there and that sharts
if they know how to do it.

950
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:14.560
I want to get in from here
is the end of the program in your

951
01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:18.000
personal experiences and what you have lived
within the cave of the stems. Sebastian

952
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:20.920
what was the first time you went
to the cave of the stems, how

953
01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:27.079
was your evolution with the shuar inside
the cave. You' ve had experiences

954
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:30.279
with these beings, with the stalts, with the sulcus. It' s

955
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:33.039
three minutes away, but don'
t worry I' ll cut you off

956
01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:35.079
and you' re still in the
next one. Of course I do.

957
01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:40.960
Okay. My first expedition in physics
was in the two thousand fifteen, my

958
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:44.560
first expedition to the cave of such, which is very different, which was

959
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.680
very different from what it is now. Not now the path. On the

960
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:54.359
first expedition, we devoured nine hours
walking through an incredible jungle, passing in

961
01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:59.960
rusty tarabita, climbing up spectacular swamps. It was nine hours of his life.

962
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:05.680
Now the trails are completely improved.
Now we have only four hours of

963
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:10.880
his life, much easier, with
better access, even in the Community,

964
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:15.000
with Ango Shuar, where we camped
the first night, where he camped the

965
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:20.000
first night. Before you camped in
many on full of ants bullets, full

966
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:25.319
of red ant, black ant.
There was no bathroom even to go to

967
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:28.199
the bathroom. You had to go
in the jungle. Avoiding tarantulas, dodging

968
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:34.520
everything really and then we help them
make a latrine. Now there are bathrooms,

969
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:39.479
there are showers, there are camping
platforms. I mean, the expedition

970
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:44.880
is very different, but that'
s outside the cave. It is another

971
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:49.119
song, because you are already 200
meters underground, because you first descend the

972
01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:54.079
sixty- four meters of free fall. A question from quito how many days

973
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.680
it takes to get to the cave
of Lasta there more or less from quitos

974
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:01.359
is a little more than four hundred
kilometers, about nine hours by car until

975
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:05.800
reaching the canton of Mendez. In
Mendez we rest for the journey that is

976
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:12.239
logically tired. We eat well,
we talk the next day we go out

977
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:14.760
an hour and a quarter in a
car just the same. We passed to

978
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:18.880
Yukianza port and took a boat from
the Shuar community and made with all the

979
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:25.800
equipment. It goes down the river
La Mangosa and the river Coango Santiago also

980
01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:29.600
and we reach the tipilla. The
Shuar mockery is already on the tip.

981
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:35.000
The carriers are loaded with all major
equipment. Each person carries a small combat

982
01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:40.760
assault suitcase that is called with hydration, with hiking food, sunscreen, repellent,

983
01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:46.399
insect, hat, trekking sticks.
We imagine and there already four hours,

984
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:53.119
four hours and the next day you
already enter the cave of the stems

985
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:56.720
to see the experience. I have
had several experiences in the cave of the

986
01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:01.079
stems, because, as you say
Juan Jesús, it is true to go

987
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:05.159
with one that is, I repeat, we are in Quito. Quito,

988
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:11.960
a day trip of nine hours,
second day when walking of four hours and

989
01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:21.880
the third day you enter the cave
of the stems and sebastian almeida. He

990
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:28.000
was going to begin to tell us
how his experiences have been and how was

991
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:31.399
that first entrance to the cave of
the perfect Size. Good for not fucking

992
01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:35.199
me all the time for the other
guests are gonna be mad at me,

993
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:41.520
because we give you the cave,
but years and hours and we have a

994
01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:43.479
lot of experiences. I' ll
tell them. The first experience I had

995
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:45.960
that caught my attention on my first
expedition, on the two thousand fifteen,

996
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:49.000
when I finally managed to enter the
cave of the stems because there is a

997
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:55.399
phrase. Shuar You cannot reach the
cave of the Stems alone. Someone'

998
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:59.000
s got to prime you. That' s true. You try to get

999
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:01.760
there alone and the Community doesn'
t give you the authorization or you can

1000
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:04.319
' t get there. You'
re getting limits. You really can'

1001
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:09.560
t. But when someone for that, like Gonzalito said, nothing is chance.

1002
01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:14.000
Everything has a motive and knowing people
is about something. And so I

1003
01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:16.920
arrived at the cave of the stems
thanks to a friend when I went down

1004
01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:21.800
my first expedition. First it was
to fulfill a dream for me because as

1005
01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:25.760
a child I read the Golden Book
of the Goddesses by erick On Daniken,

1006
01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:29.800
and I said one day I have
to be there, I saw documentaries,

1007
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:30.600
reports, I said I have to
get there. At the time of arrival.

1008
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:35.680
The adrenaline and enthusiasm is spectacular and
the nerves at the time of descent,

1009
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:41.000
because you only see a black hole
with the squawks of the stems that

1010
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:45.000
do not allow you to concentrate breast
of moisture, all slippery and throws the

1011
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:48.199
rope that falls into the void,
in this black hole that you do not

1012
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:53.840
see the end, the adrenaline and
fear invades you and above with the squawks.

1013
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:56.119
I mean, it' s one
thing, it' s a movie.

1014
01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:01.960
When I started going down, I
was there with a shuarmateo guide because

1015
01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:05.239
you' re never alone, you
can never go in alone. Only the

1016
01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:11.680
British can enter alone, but the
humble and the nationals always have to be

1017
01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:15.720
with a shuar. And as a
precaution, I' ve at least been

1018
01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:17.840
in the cave so many times and
I' m a tour guide for more

1019
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:21.520
than twenty years. I wouldn'
t dare lead alone into the Torios cave

1020
01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:27.720
because it' s bad luck to
turn off your flashlight. You' re

1021
01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:30.960
dead You really die because you don' t have a beam of light,

1022
01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:33.520
for guidance, and you miss the
shuar. Instead, those are known by

1023
01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:39.720
heart and, logically, they own
the house to tell you a little bit.

1024
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:43.640
On this first expedition I already came
to see well, I had seen

1025
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:47.800
documentaries, read a lot about known
information of guilt. That descent is forty

1026
01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:51.680
meters, twenty meters, sixty-
four months, sixty- four meters.

1027
01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:57.800
Guilt clear, because good casualties,
those sixty- four meters of free fall

1028
01:18:58.039 --> 01:19:00.960
you walk, about two hundred meters. You have to make another small rappel

1029
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:05.800
about eight meters. Simple and there
are reached the most emblematic part of the

1030
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:09.800
cave of the stems, which is
the Morris arch, the passage of the

1031
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:14.760
ciri these perfectly smooth stones, which
is the most emblematic part of the cave

1032
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:19.359
where you can verify that they are
artificial and non- natural constructions. Already

1033
01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:24.800
after that you continue through the gallery
of the giants, which are walls more

1034
01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:30.520
than 120 meters high, spectacular incredible, where one really occupying the belief can

1035
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:38.720
see in the stone faces of giants, humanoid faces. I' m not

1036
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:45.000
saying it' s something extraterrestrial intraterrestrial, but there' s something called the

1037
01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:50.640
gallery of giants, because you can
see in these anthropomorphic formations of bodies or

1038
01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:56.039
faces of giants. The more you
arrive at the cathedral. Well, I

1039
01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:58.920
wanted to tell you the story.
In the Cathedral. It' s where

1040
01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:01.479
all the stems are, the noise
is permanent. They never get married,

1041
01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:06.560
fiss or squeal, spell the stems. But from time to time something roared

1042
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:13.159
something let' s put the stems. It' s or what. But

1043
01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:17.439
every once in a while something grunted
and all the stems got married. But

1044
01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:25.359
imagine being 100 feet underground. Even
the total darkness full of taranto, the

1045
01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:29.800
giants, with the story in your
head, of the giant snake, of

1046
01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:35.600
the stinking giant, guardian with snakes, the poisonous x with rats and out

1047
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:41.760
of nowhere start a roar and marry
all the stems. I was telling the

1048
01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:44.960
shuar listens Mateo that it' s
what squeals, that' s what it

1049
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:46.600
sounds like, and he was saying
no, it' s nothing. It

1050
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:50.079
' s a giant stem, it' s okay. I was married by

1051
01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:54.520
ignorance, but among me I just
said I hope it' s not the

1052
01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:57.600
punk and this giant anaconda and it' s not the punk? Don'

1053
01:20:57.640 --> 01:20:59.479
t be the punk? That it' s not panking? I kept repeating

1054
01:20:59.479 --> 01:21:02.720
myself in my head to reassure myself. But obviously, but there goes the

1055
01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:08.119
hand I tell you. In the
two thousand and ten there was an expedition

1056
01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:12.199
with the civilian, that is,
military, as the cybias told them,

1057
01:21:12.359 --> 01:21:15.319
with a television program that is the
channel four telemazons here in Ecuador, one

1058
01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:18.960
of the largest. There was an
expedition in the two thousand and ten that

1059
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:23.960
went with the civias and in a
certain part that the amphitheatre was sung,

1060
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:30.960
the civias began to explore and heard
a gigantic roar and the military, being

1061
01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:39.199
ibias or Shuar trained as commandos the
Hua, the cibies ran out saying that

1062
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:44.720
it was the punk who was forbidding
them entry and the military, the civia

1063
01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:48.199
Shuar, fled from the cave of
the stems. I already knew that and

1064
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:51.359
listening to anyone' s roar is
going to scare him. I mean,

1065
01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:55.680
it' s really one thing that
your mind is. That' s why

1066
01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:59.800
the hardest part I ever say on
expeditions. It' s not the physical

1067
01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:03.720
part, because one can train,
go out into the mountains, train physically,

1068
01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:08.520
but in the mental part, it' s the part that passes you

1069
01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:12.800
the bill, by the strange noises, by the images you see, by

1070
01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:15.840
what you imagine, by what you
feel the mind, the mental part,

1071
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:17.880
is the most difficult part of the
cave of the stems. Hey, and

1072
01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:23.039
in the end, he never told
you you saw Suar who that was.

1073
01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:28.560
He said it was a giant stem, but that' s for me it

1074
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:32.199
wasn' t because the stems,
as I tell you, are a super

1075
01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:35.800
characteristic chichido. But it was a
roar that made all the stems hunt for

1076
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:39.880
several seconds, and that' s
what I didn' t hear once.

1077
01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:44.920
We heard about four times, but
the most incredible thing I had in the

1078
01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:47.760
cave of the stems and I told
it in my book, in the call

1079
01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:51.920
on an expedition, I think it
was in the two thousand twenty or two

1080
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:58.039
thousand nineteen. I don' t
remember a friend of mine who lived in

1081
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:03.119
Thailand for many years and knew how
to do Sanskrit meditation. He was a

1082
01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:08.439
very studied person, very energetic,
a very capable person. And in the

1083
01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:12.680
amphitheater in this part where you no
longer listen to stems, you no longer

1084
01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:15.800
listen to bats, all you hear
is the underground rivers. We decided to

1085
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:21.039
do a meditation, thanking the beings
of the underworld to allow us to agree

1086
01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:27.760
with the stems and to ask for
a sign to tell us that they really

1087
01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:30.720
exist. We started doing this Sanskrit
meditation, very powerful, very beautiful,

1088
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:35.920
very energetic, and turned off the
flashlights. We didn' t have anything,

1089
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:41.319
we didn' t see anything.
And I began to visualize four beings,

1090
01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:45.039
four beings of light with a totally
white head as a focus and with

1091
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:49.880
black robes. There were four beings. This amphitheater is like a grocer.

1092
01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:55.640
It' s not just like a
theater, a totally natural, gigantic,

1093
01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:59.840
gigantic grader, the most energetic part
for me of the cave. I visualized

1094
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:04.439
these four beings that were approaching me
and I when you were already, because

1095
01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:10.279
it' s normal to panic when
you see something that you' re not

1096
01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:13.520
used to, I opened and closed
my eyes and I kept seeing these beings,

1097
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:16.119
because you' re in total darkness
that you can' t see in

1098
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:19.079
the palm of your hand or three
centimeters from your nose, that is,

1099
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:23.039
you can' t see anything.
And I saw these four beings approaching as

1100
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:26.279
I say, the head of light, the head as a light and long

1101
01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:30.439
black robes, and these four beings
kept coming up to me when they were

1102
01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:33.119
so close to me. I did, I was scared, I mean,

1103
01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:38.000
I' m going to admit it
scared me and I kind of broke the

1104
01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:41.880
meditation, and these four beings went
away, I mean, they disappeared.

1105
01:24:42.039 --> 01:24:47.640
Now the incredible thing is that a
few years ago a good documentary was released

1106
01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:51.840
equatorializing the legend of the stems,
very well done the life of Juan Morris,

1107
01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:56.840
ninety- five percent of this commentary
speaks of Juan Moris, which is

1108
01:24:56.880 --> 01:25:00.439
very good. The investigation is perfect. The incredible thing is that when the

1109
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:06.239
credits come out of this documentary,
they pass some drawings that Juan Morris had

1110
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:13.960
made in his expeditions, some drawings, some graphics, and Juan Morris draws

1111
01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:18.359
four beings exactly the same ones that
I saw four beings with their heads like

1112
01:25:18.399 --> 01:25:25.359
light and black robes. This documentary
I tell you came out two years after

1113
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:29.359
I launched my book, that my
book I already told this story and drew

1114
01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.600
what these four beings were like.
And then I watch this documentary that I

1115
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:38.680
was invited to the premiere and I
see these pictures and I see these pictures

1116
01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:43.720
forgiving and they were the four beings
exactly the same with the black robes and

1117
01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:49.239
the head of light. What a
fascinating story as if they were some sort

1118
01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:55.800
of cave keeper or not, or
simply beings who live there between different dimensions.

1119
01:25:56.439 --> 01:26:00.199
What a fascinating story and the city
I imagine they tell you that they

1120
01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:02.279
come good too. You told me
I was lucky. They have said that

1121
01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:08.079
they also see these little beings that
make it great when they describe it with

1122
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:12.399
a big head, big eyes like
gray is as they described in the ancient

1123
01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:17.880
Sumeria to the Ijiji, the events
that they see and observe. Gonzalo,

1124
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:21.479
what was your experience, how did
you first get to the Cave of the

1125
01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:27.159
Stems, how was your relationship with
the Shuart You have had some experience there

1126
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:33.760
also within tell us friends I tell
you the universe does things your way and

1127
01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:38.239
one day I am talking to a
friend to try to go to the Cave

1128
01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:43.439
of the Stems and I wanted to
go with someone with experience who could contribute

1129
01:26:43.479 --> 01:26:46.720
something more of value to what I
was investigating. And this person connects me

1130
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:53.399
directly with Sebastian. Almeida I contacted
Sebastian and we organized the first expedition.

1131
01:26:54.960 --> 01:27:00.279
We all planned and we just went
after Willia Smith' s visit when I

1132
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:04.199
was in the cave of the stems, coincidentally that chance doesn' t exist.

1133
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:10.359
We found on that first trip in
the petrogriphs, some petrolytes. The

1134
01:27:10.359 --> 01:27:14.520
previous exhibitions had never seen the petrogriphs
in the cave of the Talls and Gonzalito.

1135
01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:18.079
On the first trip I' m
going to meet Sebastian. We found

1136
01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:25.079
the newly discovered petrogriphs in the cave
four meters a wall. How are the

1137
01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:27.800
glyphs meters. That' s what
the Gonzalos describe. Please, the petrographs

1138
01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:31.000
are so many. There are quite
a few, even more than you can

1139
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:35.920
see. The wall is about two
meters high by about four meters from the

1140
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:39.840
arch. It' s by the
riverside. This was covered with mud or

1141
01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:44.800
dirt all the time. The river
grew enormously at that time. A few

1142
01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:47.000
months earlier there was a lot of
rain, the mud was taken away,

1143
01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:51.800
the wall was uncovered. But the
chuars tell us that these petrogriphs are not

1144
01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:55.479
theirs. Like everything inside the cave, the stems are not of this civilization.

1145
01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:00.199
They don' t know anything about
it. That' s there from

1146
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:05.560
another previous civilization that was on earth
is so indelible. They' re in

1147
01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:11.279
perfect shape. Most of them that
were underground are in good condition. Interestingly,

1148
01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:16.000
there are several cross- shaped crosses
pointing down. They are inverted crosses,

1149
01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:20.960
not like the Christian Cross we know
upwards. These crosses are inverted,

1150
01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:29.680
pointing downwards and there is still land
lying on the wall that can be discarded

1151
01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:32.119
and there are more petrogriphs down there. No one' s been investigated.

1152
01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:36.359
I took quite a photograph of them. I' ve had samples of each

1153
01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:42.199
of the figurines. I' ve
tried to decipher some of what' s

1154
01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:45.880
in there, but it' s
the petrogriphs in the whole world. I

1155
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:48.079
mean, we' re talking about
things that appear in the whole world.

1156
01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:53.199
Confidentially, they appear on other sides
of the world where nothing. They have

1157
01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:58.119
to see and appear as like beings
something not yes, they are like beings

1158
01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:00.880
of light, that have rays around
the head, around the body. Some

1159
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:05.399
have antennas. There are beings with
antennas with three fingers, that is,

1160
01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:12.039
what you' re talking about.
Then there are many figurines that even look

1161
01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:15.319
like people. Others are namar torso
and head, but all, in general

1162
01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:20.319
most all have little rays or lights
on their heads that were beings of light

1163
01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:30.640
represented by the consmovision one knows.
Then, the infinite snail drawn also as

1164
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:33.680
the sun, like the stars.
There are several points, as well as

1165
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:40.800
if they were the positions of the
moon infinity. There are more than 200

1166
01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:44.920
engravings. Hey, how hard you
find out about that and how your expedition

1167
01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:48.960
is going. We continue along the
Cuango River and follow the cave. We

1168
01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:53.960
did the same the shortest road,
which is the four kilometers. For me,

1169
01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:58.239
the biggest challenge wasn' t to
visit the cave. I' m

1170
01:29:58.319 --> 01:30:02.159
afraid of heights, but not the
height of a plane. I' m

1171
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:04.720
not afraid of a plane. I
mean, I can jump in parapeinte,

1172
01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:10.720
parachute, but put myself on the
edge of something very high, like a

1173
01:30:10.840 --> 01:30:15.319
building or on the roof a building, that panics me, panics and faces

1174
01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:18.439
the edge of the cave, the
entrance to the cave, with that hole

1175
01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:23.079
that had already come down two guides
ahead and saw nothing else. The little

1176
01:30:23.159 --> 01:30:28.720
light underneath. You know that.
I used to wear a tie, Doctor,

1177
01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:32.640
and I used to say to myself
the urge. What I wanted most

1178
01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:38.760
was to come in and visit the
cave. Breaking that show and psychologically getting

1179
01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:41.680
ready for that I put myself in
the entrance to the cave, put my

1180
01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:45.840
anne and gonzalito inside and that first
minute is what hit me the most.

1181
01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:51.600
But once I went down, I
totally changed. I mean, my energy

1182
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:56.119
was different, my connection was different. And I, at that moment,

1183
01:30:56.159 --> 01:30:59.279
when I entered Sebastian knows I didn' t want to sleep. I mean,

1184
01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:00.640
I didn' t come to sleep, I came to explore. We

1185
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:06.600
did the whole camp to me and
when we set up the tent to rest

1186
01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:11.680
the guide who was going with us
and Sebastian it was time to rest and

1187
01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:14.439
I, short, I get in
touch with the Suarez I say listen here

1188
01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:16.560
there is nothing to rest. When
everyone sleeps two thousand. We came to

1189
01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:20.000
explore. We' re going to
explore and so we did when everyone got

1190
01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:23.720
to rest. I told Sebastian,
I' m going to explore for about

1191
01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:28.880
two hours and come back, but
I came to explore and so I started

1192
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:32.199
that was my first trip. It
was very curious that first time impressive.

1193
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:36.680
They take me to a tunnel that
seemed like science fiction to me, so

1194
01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:40.840
I can tell you. It was
science, pure and hard fiction. Come

1195
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:47.640
on. It was a corridor about
60 meters high super curious. It was

1196
01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:51.079
like butter. I was afraid to
walk, I swear, I was afraid

1197
01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:57.000
to walk, you walked down a
ground that looked like yellow butter, just

1198
01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:00.199
like butter, and you sank almost
to your knee and you swear. When

1199
01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:03.920
you started to put your foot in, you didn' t feel anything solid

1200
01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:08.479
and it gave me an impression that
you were going to fall, because until

1201
01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:12.359
I didn' t touch something hard
and still bumping into someone hard, I

1202
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.399
went away with fear walking and they
called me pain bais twenty advances, but

1203
01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:18.079
it wasn' t just where I
was walking, but the walls were sixty

1204
01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:21.600
meters high. When he lit like
this with the flashlight, he saw the

1205
01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:26.199
ceiling up there that almost the light
didn' t reach him, but the

1206
01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:29.079
walls were butter. The walls were
super soft. I would put my hands

1207
01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.279
in it and my fingers would go
away. But curiously, every four inches

1208
01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:39.359
approximately apart, there was a layer
of about three millimeters of a pure,

1209
01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:44.880
hard rock. It looked like a
metal. It looked like a rock,

1210
01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:47.920
as hard as a metal, but
this was every four inches. It looked

1211
01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:54.199
like galleys. All that is is
that there are chocolate greetings like that,

1212
01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:58.479
but imagine it every four inches,
a hard layer and a layer of butter.

1213
01:32:59.199 --> 01:33:02.560
And I was impressed because I was
saying how it is possible that if

1214
01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:09.319
I put my fingers in it and
this is so soft, I could bear

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01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:13.640
such a great height, sixty meters, sixty meters high and we' re

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01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:16.560
talking to you about a corridor that
was more than a hundred meters long and

1217
01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:20.520
the width of the pansicle, like
the meters wide, was three meters wide,

1218
01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:25.079
but sixty meters high and almost a
hundred meters long, ten rich fucks,

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01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:28.680
they alone, and he said gonzalo
to me. We don' t

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01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:31.680
have time, but if you come
in time, I can take you down

1221
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:35.840
this hall there' s another gallery
that usually people don' t go to

1222
01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:39.399
that gallery. Most people who go
to visit the cave of the stems do

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01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:43.920
not visit these places. Sebastian knows. Most of the places that are open

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01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:46.840
as they are to the public,
so to speak, are those that Sebastiantes

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01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:50.760
mentions as the gallery. The amphitheater
all these places that are as typical and

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01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:55.840
are those that appear in all documentaries. But the cave we' re talking

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01:33:55.840 --> 01:34:00.800
twenty- five miles there at first
hand which is unthinkable to do in three

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01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:03.239
days, in four days, that' s unthinkable. Then there are many

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01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:06.039
labyrinths still to be discovered, to
be investigated. I already got to where

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01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:11.000
the water is and I already took
on the last trip I took the wagons

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01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:14.840
and the angry ones so I could
pass on the other side. I didn

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01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:17.960
' t pass by, I saw
in the living room, and I came

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01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:18.880
back, I mean, there wasn' t time to go on the other

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01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:24.000
side. I went later through another
tunnel that told you or I don'

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01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:27.239
t know if I told sebastian that
they, which is where they put like

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01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:30.279
the dynamite. This tunnel' s
down, it' s down, the

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01:34:31.119 --> 01:34:33.960
rubble' s down, but there' s no way to open up a

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01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:36.600
lot of debris for them. So
what does the xuar tell me to pass

1239
01:34:36.640 --> 01:34:41.239
to the other side. They know
a path a corridor that leads to the

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01:34:41.279 --> 01:34:44.319
other side, but that corridor to
get to the other side of that large

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01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:48.439
chamber that was destroyed, takes almost
two days of crossing. So, if

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01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:53.000
we' re talking about the entrance
being one, we have to bring enough

1243
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:55.199
food, water. It' s
not worrying because of water. In the

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01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:59.560
cave there is water in the cave
there is underground river, there are waterfalls

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01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:02.279
of thirty meters of arto, fourteen
meters high. The water is impeccable,

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01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:08.479
transparent, clean from within the earth. There are plants inside the cave in

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01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:14.000
total darkness. There are seeds and
plants everywhere, infinite animals, number of

1248
01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:17.439
animals everywhere. You can find all
kinds of animals. There' s giant

1249
01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:23.399
footprints. There are footprints that look
like kids. Giant prints. There'

1250
01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:27.239
s giant footprints inside the cave.
There' s fossil in the rock,

1251
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:30.159
yeah, right in the rock.
There' s giant footprints. There are

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01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:35.880
fossils of the Mesozoic era. There
are fossils in there embedded that I have

1253
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:40.520
photographs of them. Well tomas and
apart from the petrogriphs and different signs that

1254
01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:44.960
are all around the cave. The
cave I, for example, when I

1255
01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:48.840
go with expeditions, I try to
go exploring, to discover it, to

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01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:53.680
know it. I' m going
to take notes of everything I' m

1257
01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:56.960
going to, discovering, what I' ve already researched to go, trying

1258
01:35:57.079 --> 01:35:59.880
to go through other tunnels and keep
expanding knowledge. Not for the treasure,

1259
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:02.520
yes, as the Shuar say.
Many people go in search of the treasure,

1260
01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:05.880
of finding the treasure, not the
greatest treasure that is within the ruel

1261
01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:11.079
of the stems, it is spiritual, it is mental, to know our

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01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:15.399
own history, that other civilization that
was before us here on Earth and that

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01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:20.600
many people consider nonexistent, because it
does not exist and we have enough evidence

1264
01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:25.840
of pyramid temples that you know John
Tzu and sebastián all that we have studied

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01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:29.560
in the world. We also know
that there is like Machu Picchu that the

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01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:33.199
Incas didn' t do to him, that is, there are things that

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01:36:33.239 --> 01:36:38.479
are there and really no one in
today' s civilization can say how they

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01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:40.800
were done, how these things were
built, with what technologies these things did.

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01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:45.119
And the cave is similar. That
is to say, it tells a

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01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.279
story of another civilization that existed on
Earth, before the flood, before all

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01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:54.199
the stories that we humans know.
We' ve got to keep looking into

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01:36:54.199 --> 01:37:00.600
what kind of fingernail. Yes and
I didn' t want them to stop

1273
01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:02.199
commenting that I don' t know
Gonzalo too, but Sebastian. He did

1274
01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:06.520
see it and I saw in another
documentary that you can clearly see a kind

1275
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:12.439
of fairies that are other beings like
little fairies, which are just like nothing,

1276
01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:15.960
like little bells. Just as you
imagine. You can' t even

1277
01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:18.520
imagine it. Look at the bell
and there it is and there it is.

1278
01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:21.760
Well, the very one who says
it has a video where you see

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01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:26.840
another little animal that' s called
sebastian. I' m out of the

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01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:30.560
name of Rock Rock Son Rots.
The ros, the ros do appear many

1281
01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:34.760
years ago in some films and such
has. That' s amazing, no,

1282
01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:38.520
but the video is amazing. I
mean, I saw him for the

1283
01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:41.000
first time and I said what this
is, and he tells me he'

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01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:44.319
s a road. I' m
telling you, that' s a pyral

1285
01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:48.439
that moves super fast, a pyral
aha and with multiple plates. So and

1286
01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:53.680
I swear to you that when I
saw the fairies I said they' re

1287
01:37:53.760 --> 01:37:55.800
not lying to me and people can
tell. I didn' t see those

1288
01:37:55.880 --> 01:37:58.399
fairies, you see him behind the
scenes. It' s not bartered,

1289
01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:01.640
but they' re all the time
like around the people you visit. And

1290
01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:05.000
that' s also a tip to
let them know that also those little beings

1291
01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:09.760
there, there that Lindo Gonzalo has
a little minuts. Yeah, I was

1292
01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:13.079
telling you about that sada thing.
Me on an expedition I made right there

1293
01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:15.520
in the jungle. I go with
the Suar and that and I go ahead,

1294
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:19.720
I go as a guide, they
let me for a moment guide through

1295
01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:24.840
the jungle, already arriving near the
entrance of the cave and appears frozen like

1296
01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:28.399
the one of piterpan Igualita so half
violet lia. Flying I was going with

1297
01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:31.720
a girl that sebastian knows, her
name is Monica and I tell Monica to

1298
01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:36.279
come to see frost and Monica comes
in the back and sees frost and sees

1299
01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:42.000
her flying in front of us and
when we are seeing her, we call

1300
01:38:42.039 --> 01:38:45.720
the indigenous to see the little indie
when suar so that she sees the and

1301
01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:49.079
the wing like this some movements and
hides. And it was funny because for

1302
01:38:49.239 --> 01:38:53.319
me it was like the second or
the third time that I did see in

1303
01:38:53.359 --> 01:38:58.079
real there a fairy in front of
me, there in front of me I

1304
01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:01.680
even saw them under the water spectacular
and spend the days and Monica gets the

1305
01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:04.439
worry of fairy and the percussion of
frost. When we traveled to Quito,

1306
01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:12.000
there is a lady who as a
shamana of cochasquí of the pyramids of cocha,

1307
01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:15.840
here we went to visit her in
Quito and she was crazy, because

1308
01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:17.920
to get to the shamanas to ask
her about age, because she did not

1309
01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:20.720
believe in any of that. She
says she never believed in this. And

1310
01:39:20.760 --> 01:39:26.079
when we get to the shamana,
she asks her, I come here because

1311
01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:30.319
I have a doubt and the shamana
tells her if you come, because you

1312
01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:34.079
saw a crazy fairy. But the
most interesting curious thing, she tells her

1313
01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:36.720
you come here because I clear up
the fairy question for you. But I

1314
01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:41.600
' ll tell you. The Indian
told you he saw her, but I

1315
01:39:41.640 --> 01:39:44.800
assure you he didn' t see
her. Only you saw it. He

1316
01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:48.760
said he saw her, but he
almost used the same words the Indian had

1317
01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:51.119
said and he had said yes,
I saw her. I saw her because

1318
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:57.239
the fairy left quickly before he saw
her. And the lady tells him her

1319
01:39:57.319 --> 01:40:01.079
name is Mama Gloria that a great
friend mine. It is evident, it

1320
01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:05.359
is clairvoyant and very, very wise
of Cochaquí from the pyramid of Cochaquí and

1321
01:40:06.680 --> 01:40:12.319
they are ninety- seven years old. Ninety- seven years in the native

1322
01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:15.359
of Car. It' s still
waiting for another day. This program of

1323
01:40:15.399 --> 01:40:18.399
the mysteries of Ecuador does not give
time or make final reflections photo. One

1324
01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:24.239
minute to finish, but I didn' t want to cut anyone because it

1325
01:40:24.239 --> 01:40:27.640
was all super interesting. Ale Handro
Bernal has thirty seconds to give you final

1326
01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:30.399
conclusion. I' ve never heard
anything so amazing about the stem cave.

1327
01:40:30.439 --> 01:40:35.279
Many thanks to Sebastian Gonzalo Amajo and
I invite all listeners to write us their

1328
01:40:35.319 --> 01:40:39.079
impressions if they want to go to
the cave of the stems. There on

1329
01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:43.039
YouTube we are reading and in networks
can follow me on Twitter, Instagram and

1330
01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:46.359
tiktok in Arroba ale Bernal presco les, because I just want to say another

1331
01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:50.039
one thing. There is another world, but they are in this and to

1332
01:40:50.159 --> 01:40:56.800
see those worlds, to walk through
them, you simply need to have an

1333
01:40:57.359 --> 01:41:02.479
open mind, the ability to be
able to suo as a child and think

1334
01:41:02.560 --> 01:41:08.640
that we are really surrounded by a
thousand magical things, of fairies, of

1335
01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:12.840
fantastic beings. A magic that the
ancient gods left us thousands of years ago,

1336
01:41:13.399 --> 01:41:16.319
a magic that can be seen in
places that were their home, like

1337
01:41:16.399 --> 01:41:20.399
the cave of the stems. And
never forget that we live in a magical

1338
01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:23.880
world, because it is full of
mystery