La búsqueda extraterrestre

0:02 Or, in fact, time all the way there. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejos and journalist, writer and director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol Radio. In the 1960s, a physicist Freeman Dyson theorized about the possibility of extraterrestrial civilizations using the energy of an entire star to do this. He had to make superstructures, mega structures around that star so he could absorb his energy. This would make those stars, if viewed from the ground, give different anomalies in the telescope. Well, then, what was theorized in the sixties of the last century, just a few weeks ago has been news, and it is that different group of research cordiaes by universities of world prestige have located different stars in the firmament that could be covered by one of these famous megastructures of dison and is that science what is doing lately and this is very newsable, is that it has taken seriously to look for extraterrestrial civilizations. But if you want to know about this and much more, don' t lose the mystery night podcast on Caracol Radio the extraterrestrial search night and mystery Joan Jesús Vallejo.

1:56 It was a normal afternoon, just like any other. I am talking about July of the year nineteen hundred and ninety- six and that afternoon a peasant from the Spanish province of jaén of a village called the villains, went out for a walk, as he did every afternoon in that afternoon, in those summer days when it was about sunset and it was less hot. Well, this Mr DionisioÁvila, an illiterate peasant, did not know how to read or write. He went out to walk quietly and sat down, as he did so many other times, right next to a small Era, it was a place where the wheat is threshed. Well, and when DionisioÁvila was sitting there, he commented and I was lucky enough to be with him, he commented how suddenly he saw a semi- spherical metallic object. That intrigued him and thought that semi- spherical metal object would be some kind of good container of forest services. But he intrigued him, so he got up.

3:13 It approached until the semispheric, metallic object and just when it was a few meters near it already very close. He comments that there is a moment when when when the object passes certain meters, it kind of blurs it makes him very nervous, he turns back, he sees perfectly the object and when he sees again perfectly the object, he comments on how there are two women and a man. He didn' t talk about aliens or anything like that. Just two women and a man. And John ge said to me There were two women and a man, because they had very tight suits and they were noticed what was in the crotch, with which two women and a man.

3:59 That' s how I talked about it. There was this gentleman and just when he' s looking at those beings, I repeat being of his hand like you and as I was saying he had a little olive in his skin. But perfectly normal, lying in a dark grey monkey, he comments how at that very moment from the ship he comes out as a spherite of light that falls right at his feet, looks at him, looks down and realizes that it is a stone with a series of engravings. Curious because on that stone there was an engraving that was a stick, a zero and a stick as if it were a hundred one, but completely straight. The stick.

4:51 Palito, zero stick, just stick, zero stick is what he saw. Also, in that semi- spherical metallic object, when DionisioÁvila bends down and takes that stone with that engraving. When raising his head, he sees neither the semi- spherical metallic object nor the three beings who were looking at him. Scared to death, he runs away and leaves for his home. Weeks later, two reporters I know pretty well. I' m friends with them. I worked with them for many years. In addition, two reporters working at that time in Enigma magazine, Lorenzo Fernández Bueno and Iker Jiménez, today very well known. One presents documentaries on Discovery Channel and the other runs a program called Cuarto Millennio in Spain on television. Well, then, these two friends, who are reporters, are headed for s to this locality.

6:00 De Jaén because there were also people who had filmed in those same days of July of the year nineteen hundred and ninety- six. They had filmed an omni, there were a lot of witnesses to a luminous object at night one night. And it' s very curious because when I' m with Lorenzo and he tells me this story, he tells me about the stick zero stick. I' m telling you, you' re not gonna believe it, but that' s the same thing in the same symbols. A friend of mine made them for me His name is Sad. A few days ago Juan told me about Gas Foolishness. I say I tell you that he has made me the same symbols. And he also told me that it' s a type of writing that' s called tipinag berever writing. And, well, that' s what' s left. I was told no more the stone and the symbols of the stone. All this has already been done by a well- known writer named JJ Benitez. I sent a letter to JJ Benita. JJ Benítez called me on the phone that we' re having lunch.

7:04 That' s where I met him. Then I worked with him. In this case I calculate a couple of years or more And when I am with Juan José Benítez and we comment this story and show me the symbols that are in the stone and there is the stick zero stick as it appeared in the object of hemispheric, metallic call it an omnic what I think was also we said well, because we will interview someone who really knows about this and we went to interview a Mr Rashir Rahadmet, who was belonging to the European Arab Foundation. And he' s quite a scholar in Berber issues in North Africa. And it' s funny because when we' re sitting there asking this gentleman to hear zero stick stop a Berber word, yes or no, and he told me for me I' m not clear about this. I ' m not sure. I don' t know why you ask me this and so on and we just turned our heads to the right and there was a poster of a stone in a museum in Rabat and right in the middle it carries the symbols sticks, zero stick, which are the word them or them. And this thing I' m telling you is not science, fiction.

8:26 It was lived by a servant. You have asked me many times in networks want me to tell this story. I told it in a book, in the Andalusian operation. He never told it here on Caracol Radio. I promise on my YouTube channel if it' s hidden behind the shadows and it ' s, but good one day. I' m counting it here on Caracol Radio. With all luxury of detail, because it is a very, very, very long investigation that lasted year and my milk reflections and if we have them and they are trying as one with us, in this case, through one of the oldest alphabets that exists in the world, the typhinaj, as if thousands of years ago they had been here, in North Africa and had been in contact with civilizations that had an ancient criture and they also learned to do it, to express themselves through that writing. Zero stick, stick them or them. It would be said, to be exact, neither without them nor of them, an eternal message that looks at us from the stars and that makes us reflect and makes us think about really we have them in

9:58 front of us and we are still not able to understand ourselves with them or maybe they come here. They watch us, they don' t wink, but they leave us to our free will. The lords who are in the stars and the science that is increasingly seeking life out of our planet as well. And that' s what today' s program is about, how far science is coming, and how far, for example, new scientific research is coming that is covered by the pentagon in news that, for sure, or will intrigue our fellow stars who occasionally wink at us to remind us that they are still there. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo. What you want to follow me on social networks, on my tweets Juan que Vallejo, Juan j Vallejo, on Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is mystery journalism. We oppose the facts on the table and you decide what is behind it and not what you think of this story that I have told you at the beginning of the program, in the introduction the famous case Villares, in the town of Los Billares, Jaén Andalusia, Spain, which, in the end the dessert, was possibly one of the most important omni cases of the decade of the nineties

11:31 at the Spanish level, sure and if I hurry, at the European level, they too. Or of them three letters Palo zero Palo that were written thousands of years ago in the Sahara desert and that today also continue to be written. The tiffinac That alphabet is an alphabet that is still completely alive. You know I' m doing copyright trips. The information of these trips is available on the website three Viajes Juan Jesús Vallejo com I repeat Viajes Juan Jesús valle com From September 22nd to October 1st of this year I will be in Egypt walking by the magic of the pyramids and navigating the Nile to immerse us in all the mystery of some temples that boast this river of life and that have a magic that today remains intact and I assure you after forming. Whatever you want to point to that trip. I repeat all the information on the website Viajes Juan Jesús Vallejo com and we start without curse. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how you are Very well, Juan, I have a greeting for you, also for Richie in the controls, for our exceptional guests of this program. Rodrigo Bravo from Chile, Fernando I from Brandan from Argentina, also a huge embrace for all the people who consume this content through the podcast that we publish on the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio Juange today a program of net current on the OMNI phenomenon, on scientific projects, on news at the

13:07 media level, on this great mystery that we are so passionate about you think about what I commented on at the beginning. We' re already obsessed now with looking for biosignature exoplanet. I don' t know that in the universe with remains of life we asked both Fernando and Rodrigo that they sure know they ' re going to go to that kind of news, because they say that soon they' re going to publicly announce that life has already been found outside the earth, but you don' t find it a bit curious, this a little paradoxical. Come look at the stars and we have cases are sample mignos that are here, even that handle very ancient alphabets, as is the case of the berber Juange. And especially because I think that this scientific approach, while very respectable, I think that we are also forgetting to see our world and who tells us if on our planet we have been coexisting with a different civilization than the human one I have made is an approach that I hope to talk about later here in the program a research from Harvard University that poses this possibility, which is really amazing. Indeed, looking at the stars and perhaps the stars have come down here and we have them in front of us and we have not been able to see them, not because we have a mind, perhaps too much optus in a certain sense. And those who know a lot about the OMNI phenomenon are the guests we have tonight, who have already heard them countless times. They are regular collaborators of mystery night and for me it is a pride and pleasure that they are here tonight and we start

14:39 for Chile, for the lands of the South. There, in Punta Arenas, is our friend Rodrigo. Bravo Rodrigo, friend, Good night, how you are, Juan Jesús, Good night, I hear you, I listen perfectly, friend, very good night. I vote to Saluarte the same, Alejandro and for Fernando, who then does not also look to give his health a special hug from the southern Punta Arenas, all snowy, all white, expected temperatures of fifteen years under zero goes this week, so we are enjoying the winter in full. That' s good, because I love doing a show. Yes, Chile, Argentina, Colombia, all South American brothers here tonight go that is also there listening to us and being part again at night of mystery our good friend Fernando gil de Bran, who is the director of the YouTube channel the sign science and mystery. Where I assure you that you are going to find the best interviews of the Omni theme in the whole continent, because I do not know how Fernando is able to interview everyone, who then we do not have to ask about the issue of Omua. It' s an asteroid and a villo ed that since I think chafs is when Argentina goes, it' s going to take a ferné there when with Fernando Seguro, Mr Avilo ep professor at Harvard University, Fernando, fellow friend, good night, how you are good, but very good night juange and everyone.

16:07 So, thank you, Rodrigo, thank you Sale, thank you for the happy invitation to be tonight sharing these mysteries and also the science that finally messes with the mysteries and opens the fourth. That' s where you just nailed him and that' s what it' s all about tonight' s show. Science seems to suddenly come out of the closet and say good. Listen let' s start looking at the stars and this extra program we' re doing, because the other day Rodrigo told me, Bravo like this in private told me listen Juan that you have seen the news that has come out on the subject of Dyson' s spheres. For people to understand, understand this.

16:49 There was a physicist in the 1960s, Freemandison, who commented that a great civilization might come to have the acidic layer of using the energy of a star. So, to do that, to use the energy of a star, I would have to do it around that star. Let' s say imagine putting a bunch of satellites, solar partners to catch that energy either like some kind of big belt, or make some kind of bubble. And if this really is physical theory Freemandison' s, Dyson' s spheres are real this would be observable. They would be stars that have a different light from the rest of the stars and suddenly, science has started to investigate this seriously and different universities, such as Upsala' s in Sweden, as they have selected a group of stars in objects. It' s seven stars. They ' re not such a scattered group. Seven stars who are convinced that they could obey this pattern said by physicist freemandson Rodrigo Bravo. Why did you get so caught up in this news Good Look. I was mainly struck by the type of publication where this became known. Note that this publication, as well as you will teach from Upsala University, of an astrophysicist I understand, is

18:22 being his doctorate, the young Matías, suazo along with eight, actually nine, because she joins a researcher named Gabriela Contardo of the International School of Advanced Studies of Italy. They published an article in the Monty and notais of Royal Astronomic Society, that is, the monthly news of the Royal Astronomical Academy or the Astronomical Society, which is an academic journal of category K or are Q one, that is, those that have a greater percentage not only of observations, but also of scientific rigour. And in that magazine there' s an article on this whole thing. This magazine was created. I understand that in a thousand eight hundred and so much around, pigeon, I do not remember the exact record, but I read that it was from the end of one thousand eight hundred. There after, maybe Fernando can give me that exact article ready. It turns out that it is a journal specialized in what is astronomy specialized in studies, etc, etc, etc, linked to space exploration and the search for information of our scientific knowledge. But through space and they, in a fairly neat study, as you well say, you managed to understand that of the five million stars you observed, you managed to understand that there

19:56 are seven that have an excessive temperature or infrared heat. So, those seven. The only way you can explain these observations for now is that they are simply associated with what Dyson' s spheres are, which are these superstructures that, in one other way, take a sort of radiation in order to simply get energy. But for that structure to be built or for them to excel those structures is because there' s a fabrication behind some kind of super- super- advanced intelligence. And that' s where this dispute or this sort of controversy comes from, because, although they raise it as in working hypothesis, the fact that it is already published in a magazine of this category or of these characteristics simply makes it clear that today, as Fernando did his introduction here in I take advantage of greeting and provided that the last time this in his program is with fever, he ends up, very sick, he is with a flu, those terrible. He finally pointed it out, science is opening up now, it' s not that it' s opening up, it' s that it' s being public and we' re echoing this kind of information, because scientists are the ones who are most open to these and those who deny these are the pseudo- scientists, the negators who, in one other way, try from a very positivist point of view, to

21:27 deny this possibility, taking into account that, in addition, these academics. This group that published in this magazine points out or as an extra fact that here is a very interesting topic. This is an infrared observation and our, our detection systems of this type of temperature, of this kind of behavior, especially the stars that are scattered in the universe. It was via the Galla satellite that one is located about five million kilometers of the earth and that they clearly observe it in an infrared way. But yes, everything that has been achieved today with information through infrared filters or captures, visible ultraviolet, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. What is observable today is simply about a four comma five percent. From there there are twenty- seven percent that I have called dark matter, which does not shine. Therefore, it cannot be captured under any type of system. Today known by earth or by us, by our technology, by our science, but it can only be grasped by the movement that it has to say, through its gravity, through the forces that are exercised. That' s that kind of dark matter. And so all, so and all, Adding that twenty- seven percent dark matter, along with the four comma five of the visible, is almost sixty- eight percent, which is absolutely and recognizable. Not if you do that is defined as

23:02 dark energy and that we have no idea what it is whether or how it behaves, or what it does. Therefore, this type of approximations, like the one that made the most days soazo the other with Gabriela with delay, are the tip of the iceber of what it means to transparentize what our universe is is that Rodrigo to see you have explained it magisterially and I think the key is the following. First. We really don' t know what' s more than ninety percent of the universe around us. We don' t know what dark matter or dark energy is. But, on top of that, the key to everything is what you' re saying that there was in a scientific journal of that category, an article on the search for extraterrestrial civilizations.

23:55 That three or four years ago, I think I was and unthinkable, that is, just with a scientist coming in and saying hey, we' re going to do some research to look for traces. It is that clear the article very good what they are doing, looking for traces of extraterrestrial technologies and, moreover, much more advanced than ours in a scientific study that selects seven stars of between five million. Then, in addition, there is also another study of an Italian university that is selected fifty- three stars. But this, this, this is all key, I mean, a few years ago, tell me rhodrig for our friends who are listening to us. That ' s what they' re going to then play your podcast. Please go to the academic Google and put matías faso two thousand twenty- four and that ' s where this article directly leads you to the magazine article and you can download it. It' s a very, very complex technical language, but translating it you can have a moment, which is what they tried to explain in this pay But and what you' re saying sorry nothing, nothing at all. You can interrupt me when you want a friend here. This is a chat between friends and I think super important in this paradigm shift that there has been that we suddenly see a scientific article looking for extraterrestrial civilizations. I

25:30 think one of the keys is a man called abilo ev that in the year two thousand seventeen, after he caught an asteroid coming from outside the solar system, called omoa or mua. He' s talking directly about how this could be an interstellar ship. I could not. He claims it' s an interstellar ship. He' s facing all the scientists, but of course Mr He' s the president of Harvard astronomy, which is that he' s not just any prude of life and he' s taking it and he' s going to make an expedition to look for another object. Interstellar that has fallen out of the solar system to the waters of Papua and finds small splinters that clearly came out of the solar system. And Fernando Hildebran has interviewed Viloed and hears Fernando You who have been investigating the OMNI phenomenon for so many years and you know it well, before scientists hated us and gave us an interview less yet And suddenly and suddenly this change and that you on your YouTube channel on the science and mystery signal, have this kind of character talking about the man phenomenon. This is a radical paradigm shift. Fernando. Absolutely, you absolutely know that I want to refer to something that said ebernal at the beginning, when reference was made to this paper that comes out of Harvard, from anthropological and psychology researchers who talk about the possibility of the existence of crypto terrestrial

27:03 life, of a civilization hidden between us and you know that I just contacted Ávilar to ask him for a hand for these boys to be on the program. So most likely you can interview some of the scientists that made this paper, which is super interesting and all thanks to our friend Abilo, uh he ' s practically a friend of the house. I can' t believe it because you imagine what you were saying just five years ago, you thought about science about these issues. I was talking to a utopia. Yeah, yeah, well, they' re here and collaborating. It' s not very crazy. I mean, let' s see you interview Villo ef why you think this guy' s sorry. From what I' m going to say, he threw enough balls at her to confront the whole academic world, the whole scientific world, and say, gentlemen, that I love a ship from another world and I take out a book and I' m going to go look for objects of interest to the Pacific and I' m going to say a word and I' m a machine on the subject of astronomy and I ' m going to tell you something else I care about your shit, it ' s okay that it' s brutal. Why do you think it was abellodeve Fernando you know him Mira. The truth is, knowing him a little bit, barely what I know him. I think because he' s a real scientist. I think that in recent decades and this I have seen unfortunately

28:36 represented in people who say to themselves scientists and have lost curiosity. We have seen science arm itself with quintites and arm itself with quintites, mainly motivated by the need for a budget. No, and it' s a reality. Scientists need budget to be able to continue operating, to do their research, but it is also true that scientists sign statements of non- declassification of content with private companies that contrast is that there is an international scientific community, but that international scientific community suffers from many practices that large corporations try to apply to it. And the reality is that this has led to a stage of science that the scientists themselves, below you tell Mira, is not exactly the best moment that science has gone through, at least from the point of view of asking us new questions in the fields that have already started a long time ago with people who asked uncomfortable questions at uncomfortable times and started looking against tide in those fields. Fields are still being investigated. It is always a challenge in the whole sense, in life and in science, that has reached a point

30:07 in the picture some scientists that have almost become some religious scientists, it gets quite complicated, because there we get more involved with dogmatic questions and that it would be very good to analyze it from an anthropological point of view, because something that has to serve us as a tool to understand reality, to understand that we have around, can be turned, can be transformed into a prison of thought. It seems to me that what ABILOEB has achieved in recent years is to break with that prison of thought, along with another good number of American scientists, Latin American Europeans. In Latin America there are great, great examples and leaving the house to ask uncomfortable questions and begin to realize what I think, which are new fields of science that are going to open up a stronger and more traceable path. What' s more, I tell you something that a biologist friend of mine always tells me, that he' s a great scientist, a paleontologist here in Argentina who really admires a lot and tells me to be scientific. You don' t have to do that to someone who went to a college and has a degree. There is also civil science, urban science, field science. We all do science by experiencing reality,

31:38 looking for answers to the things we don' t find and from there to the academic state. Sometimes time passes, but when the burden of proof is important enough. It ends with a flowering, as is this in the case of the search for extraterrestrial and, for example, the identified smelling objects. Let us be Habi has done so, in addition to a very important scientific movement, also a movement would tell him, according to my personal understanding, a very important political movement, planting an observatory looking for flying objects identified on the roof of the main building of Harvard University. He didn' t go to put it in his house or some friend' s house. He didn ' t plant them on Harvard' s roof. This is a statement of principle. It is a declaration of principles that seeks to break with this cage of thought in order to dare to ask new questions that will lead us.

32:38 How we sometimes talk with valet to new answers What we need then. I ' m glad this happens. I am happy that we are taking these steps and that we meet with these works, such as the paper on Dyson' s spheres, as the paper on cryptoterrestrials. I think these are things that feed us a lot. But besides, they' re fine, they' re opening the door for us to understand that reality is much more than we think and that we have to achieve that to survive as a civilization. Finally, gentlemen, reality is much more complex than we thought, because, as Rodrigo Bravo told us, more than ninety percent of the universe around us do not know what. It' s but there' s one thing that' s very clear. What you have already said is not only the science involved in something that until now seemed impossible to us, that was La la, the search for extraterrestrial life, with a broad view, not with that cage of thought, as our friend Fernando Hillebram was speaking to us, but that what is suddenly a group of scientists abandons flagmen. That' s how much ev will have come up behind, like the boys who have done the study of the dison spheres what they have done suddenly, that is, science has to be protected by free thought. There are a lot of facts and things

34:10 that are there. We' re going to investigate it and this is a whole political, philosophical, human media issue. Behind a paradigm shift in the science of Ajandra Bana Juan hey It is that, precisely about what Fernando was talking about, a few moments ago, a series of scientists from Harvard University, in the company of researchers from a group of scientists known as The Human Florshin Program, put forward an alternative hypothesis for non- human intelligences who were living with us on our planet and who were responsible for the development of this technology that clearly exceeds us and Juan Gesto was published in the New York Post a few days ago and, according to these experts, these men of science, there would be four possibilities of this new terrestrial crypto concept, these non - human intelligences that would be living with us. The first of these would be human cryptoterrestrials that would be a possible advanced ancient civilization that could have been destroyed, but which continued to exist in the present form of humans. The second possibility would be cryptoterrestrials or minids or theropods, which could be an alleged technologically advanced non- human civilization that could have evolved to live in stealth.

35:45 The other typology that these scientists established is that of terrestrial cryptos, extraterrestrials that would be aliens that could have come from space or from the future. This very interested hypothesis San Juange because it already raises the possibility of the crononautas. Then these extraterrestrial beings, who would have come from elsewhere in the universe or from the future, would have camouflaged themselves to live hidden with us on earth and on our natural satellite, on the moon. And the last definition these scientists establish is the cryptoterrestrials in magic. The authors of this paper, as Fernando pointed out, compared these entities as angels or divine beings, beings who would be part of the mythologies of religions, these beings who would have accompanied us since man was man, who would be less technological beings, but who would have a high spiritual burden. What you just told me looks like milk to me. Remember that when I got here today at the studio in snail me you said hey, John got a tan. I don' t know what and I told you to tell him. I didn' t know it and I haven' t read it and I' m saying it, but you' ve obviously documented telling it. I see Fernando Gillebrand knew him too.

37:07 I don' t know if Rodrigo bravo. Now I' m going to ask him. It' s just that I' m sorry. I get excited because it looks like milk to me. I mean, let' s see. They are talking about an advanced civilization that is possible to disappear. Let' s say, let' s say with the hand of God, the unearthly master, as we talked about Atlantis, Lemuria, that humanity, before humanity that had a supertech and could disappear. But they are talking to us about ansi in alien, about how space travelers who can come from the future arrived, who were also on the moon. Here we have spoken of the ruin of the Moon. And when I got the statements from Aran Davis, NASA' s telecommunications engineer, telling me that I had seen images of ruins on the moon of the famous elementals, angels, goblins, demons are also magical beings that seem to travel, that they are interdimensional and that in different places that are like doors in this world, there appears to be suddenly an article in Harvar University' s Jarp a study on this. This is not a paradigm shift that I want to meet these people to invite them for drinks and to eat a good roast. I mean, I think it ' s incredible rhodrig, bravo. What do you think? I mean, this is a male bomb. Yeah, well, I, in that sense, I' m pretty. I don' t know it' s optimistic,

38:44 but I think and here in this program we talked about it here there was a uncovering and that stake split the two thousand twenty- two thousand twenty - one. So, obviously, this allows for freedom of movement. Here is a Chilean author named Antonio Escarmeta, who has a very entertaining novel that is called that and that gives rise to the fact that today all this that used to be the almost table conversation. Or even if, as Ferdinand rightly said, those who spoke this otherwise were crucified. Yes, of course, Jack himself was worth the same mico Caku how many times, or more, the same Abby Love, who published his book the two thousand twenty, at a time before this open report, the pentagon of two thousand twenty- one.

39:31 Two thousand and twenty was caught by his colleagues. I mean, to this day. There are some assets that you are transmitting in another frequency when the reality we realize is going all that way. But this I don' t, I don' t see it casually I in that sense, maybe I have my apprehensions and I' m a little more cautious because of course, all these possibilities are right here. So do we. As for historical knowledge, we are limited by the time we have recorded. Written. There are certain precedents that we don' t handle earth movements of water and back there, anything is possible. But I go a little further and go more than what might have happened in time. Already from behind, I' m keeping an eye on what' s happening and what' s going to happen in a very short time. For the future I explain to myself I am super concerned and I make an analogy with science fiction, that science fiction, in a way, has given us certain lights about how science, technology, innovation, etcetera, and so on. I worry, for example, what is being planned with the moon, a plan of exploitation of the moon,

41:01 that is, you see it is science fiction when we read the time machine and see that in one of the trips in an adaptation that there was a movie. I believe that the two thousand two, on one of his travels, the person or this protagonist Alexander, I do not know how much he went into the future and saw that civilization had evolved and that, in fact, he observes the moon that is split as in various parts. Of course that brought terrible consequences for the tides, et cetera, et cetera. Well, today what is being planned to try to pull out the three helium and do mining surveys in the first place, and secondly, it has a platform or a sort of natural space station for future missions, whether it' s Mars to the other side. So, to me all this that we are today fascinated by because they are giving us little crumbs of information that have already been discussed and discussed many years ago by some thinking entities of our environment, everything is driven. I believe that because, just as we discussed it here from this classification that departed the two thousand twenty- one, it has a term date that in two thousand twenty- six, But what are we going to tell the two thousand twenty- six that there are vestiges of a possible past activity or life on Mars Chuta. For many of us it is going to make a novelty that is actually going to explode and there is going to be a mining exploitation on the moon, because today, whatever it is,

42:36 we are looking for a decarbonization of the earth, the energy matrices are changing, but in the long run it also goes hand in hand with the developments themselves, because in a world where we are going to do in a certain way, I do not mean governed, but there is going to be a coercion with artificial intelligence, with robotics, there is going to be a very important amount of human beings that are going to be between useless quotations, without trades, without employment and energetically we have to keep it. So I point out that this is going, on the one hand, with a development, with a search, but, on the other hand, also with giving us more or less the guidelines of where, where our culture goes, our civilization, our innovation and, of course, those who are above ruling. Because this problem is that today we see it as almost far away or as utopian as if it were analogically science fiction being around the corner. Then there the information that the day is giving us, as well as gradually is fascinating.

43:45 For those of us who have been involved in this for several years, it ' s good that it' s transparent. But, on the other hand, I also think it goes hand in hand with a back load, down, an added value that so, if we don' t look at it between lines, they' re going to make us a golea again. As always, what you say. I think it' s clear. We have to look at everything as a whole. I mean, I think thanks to characters like Abillo ev also for all the somni leaks that there were since December of the year two thousand seventeen by people of the Pentagon. By the way, there is now a very good Pentagon report that Alejandro Bernal is going to tell us, too, of a sighting that has taken place in Ontario in which this year two thousand and thirteen, but the story is very good and has been made public. Now you have to see everything as a whole and in that set it is a change, I think it is okay then I also want Fernando' s opinion, not in time, because in a good minute the computer, but then I ask Fernando' s opinion. It is a total and absolute paradigm shift, that is, to see a study of people who are at Harvard publicly on a scientific level, speaking of a humanity before humanity of extraterrestrial visits, in the ancient Antia in Alien, the series in which I have participated several times, by the way, of History Channel, to tell us about all this, which I do not know, that they are looking for spheres of Dyson, looking for remains of alien civilizations that are palpable. All this is a paradigm shift at the same time as what

45:20 Rodrigo, Rodrigo Bravo, has proposed to us we have to leave the earth. So or yes and Stephen Hawking already said, either we get out of the land or we go to hell because we' re brutes, because we ' re ruled by politicians and politicians are the most corrupt and ungrateful people in the world. Climate change such I don' t know what. Then clear fundamental the first look at the moon for geomining exploitation. You think of some of those who are listening to this and without putting the comments on YouTube, which you hear later on the podcast on YouTube. You think some of us human beings are going to share the moon. The Chinese and the gringos are no longer there sticking with cakes, because the problem is that you don' t need to put the lunar base anywhere. It has to be at the South Pole that there' s a lot of water, but with that water you have hydrogen, you have fuel. People can drink clear, it' s super key, it' s just in the south, so it' s funny, because gringos, who are very pragmatic, they' re clear, they' ve already made their army of stars, they' ve already made their aerospace force to stick with the Chinese as they come up to me, that is, we human beings are, we' re the milk and here we' re still on mystery night and we' re talking about this paradigm shift so tremendous that they' re seeing in science, where suddenly it

46:52 seems that they' re no longer afraid to look for traces, of extraterrestrial civilizations through Dyson' s spheres, of those superstructures that have to have advancements surrounding a star to use their energy, which they' re able to do even for example, with studies like this group of people from Harvard University talking about visitors to the stars thousands of years ago and how they could influence our civilizations, even the emergence of interdimensional beings that were taken as angels and as demons. And I would like, Fernando Hilderran, what do you think of this wonderful Harvard study and what do you also think, for example, Fernando, of this paradigm shift that well, I think scientists also come out of the closet, because we need to look at the stars. We have no choice but to end up coming out of planet Earth exactly my dear John, which we are totally agreed upon. Allow me to approach you a greeting to our common friend, Fernando or Esquera who is listening to the program. How good to greet the family to give a strong hug, to Fernando, to Sara, to his father- in- law, to Ernesto and to see if he comes to Egypt, that they disgust me to know if he comes in Egypt this year, to see to see very well, very well, very well. I love it, I love it and I pass. I

48:22 greet the family, Lords, who are very attached to the community, who follow my channel listening to your show tonight and always listen to it so they are all fascinated. So what our dear friend said a few minutes ago is very interesting, because this idea of the spatial exploitation of what is coming. I understand that Rodrigo is out there a little worried about all this, but it also seems to me that there is a rhetoric in this whole story that we should review. Not because I think I understand that what Rodrigo wanted to communicate to us, which is because I will know in person the weekend of the serene, what he tried to communicate to us is that, somehow there is like a media move to distract the attention of some things that are perhaps more important through others that may not be so much or that we already know or have studied it. I understand that point of view because, somehow, those of us who are fond of these subjects so many years ago, who study them, who follow them, who do journalism, who or who do research, there are things that we have been talking about decades ago, but the general public has not even the faintest idea that there is a word that is called, that is Confusing as a terrestrial crypt, that is to say hidden terrestrial or in the shadows. And if tomorrow the news is given that

49:54 non- human intelligences exist and this is confirmed by universities and governments and is also launched as a world news and in the middle it is added that they not only exist, but also come here with us on our planet. It occurs to me that crumbling, in trade exchanges, in religions, in all social strata is going to be quite important. So this is something that we don' t have to lose sight of, because in reality, it gives me the feeling that the paradigm shift is taking place through a visual change of reality, because, after all, if the United States, or China or Russia want to exploit the moon and extract the biots that we know or don ' t, it changes absolutely nothing, that we agree, no, it doesn' t change absolutely anything. One of the Presidents most dear to the American people was the Shane end Gerald and what happened to those who killed him the truth, for everything in the government they wanted. So much because, according to the most interesting investigations, there was a plot that included the Central Intelligence Agency, where it is more to say that all that information has not yet been released, when it should have been released a few years ago.

51:24 Then friend the feeling that we are actually looking at our navel a little bit and here are important things happening, because it is that talking about the topic of terrestrial cryptos, which is tremendously interesting, and I share the enthusiasm that someone has with this topic. You know that a while ago I was interviewing you with another scientist who is very open on this subject, who is Kevin Canut esx astrophysicist of NASA today. Castro' s boss was from astrophysics at Albany University, which he told me because I say there which is the best hypothesis. Only aliens. I call me Mira. I developed a study as a simulation to try to see how many advanced civilizations there could be in our galaxy and from there, how many could have survived themselves so that we could begin to colonize the galaxy and those civilizations, how many could have found us and how long ago? It turns out that the result that inherited us is who would have found us approximately according to these simulations that he also presented at the Institute max Planck of Physics in Germany as a presentation and as a scientific project that in addition, applauded him very much and everyone took note. He gave him that they would have found us about three hundred thousand years ago.

52:49 So look out for this, because, for example, Kevin Cano' s crypto- terrestrial hypothesis is that these extraterrestrials found planet Earth three hundred thousand years ago and settled in the seas and oceans. That' s why we don ' t see it all the time, because we know more about the surface of Mars than about our own oceans. It' s more deserved look so selegated. He said in the seventies that he well thought that he had lived intelligently from the Universe, but that there was something that did not close him to the phenomenon, nor was it the periodicity of the insistence of the appearances of the phenomenon. Then it says clearly it was there at the tip.

53:36 Only one more logical step was missing. The next logical step is that they do not come from the stars to our planet all the time to visit us, as if they did the author tour of our friend Jorge Vallesco to Egypt, but they already live on our planet or live next to the Great Pipe No, then they are already installed here. That' s the idea of the paper that I also very interesting hal puref for those who do not know hal purev It was the founder of the project Stargates, together with Rutzer tark In the seventies, in this project of Remote division, where they were psychics to deal exactly with the CIA, trying to spy on the avietics through Remote vision, seeing the United States that they were doing. And this man has another paper of is a few years of the year two thousand twenty, which is called Ultraterrestrial Models, which is also based on a book I highly recommend is from a very little known gentleman is called mc Famis. Well, he actually died, took his own life, and his girlfriend ends up publishing this book called the Outer Ones, where he proposes hypothesis basically of everything we now know, how the terrestrial cryptos. In fact, that book is mentioned in this paper that Berna was just showing us, and it is very interesting to note the subject of Dawson' s spheres in all of this. I think

55:07 Rodrigo brought a key theme there, because it' s not the only work that talks about Dyson' s spheres that appointed him. For example, there are other works that are very interesting about stars that appear and disappear in the universe, a work directed by the University of Stockholm in Sweden and where they detected the disappearance of one hundred and fifty thousand celestial objects. And the best of all is that the only explanation and it has nothing to do with civilizations that the Earth would have formed in these stars some kind of anomalous black hole that swallowed them. It' s the only way to explain it if you don' t have to jump into extraterrestrial civilizations by building Dyson feras, which then makes them less visible in the field, in the astronomical field. Now here I go with this to that if there are several civilizations out there spinning around, as Alvin Carro says, it is very likely that they have found us many years ago, that they have settled here. And I' ll throw them one more you know. What it says I saw Canut say most likely is that they' ve been here so long, that they think they own the planet and that when we started with nuclear anger they were worried about what we can do with their property. That is why they began to show

56:38 themselves more assiduously and especially in front of the military forces of the great powers. And one thing you said that I think it' s mega brutal, that I freaked him out and I didn' t know this. I need to see more. The sign that in mystery is clear is that this Mr Kevin canut this scientist, what he is defending from that that came here three hundred thousand years ago beings from another world and settled under water. He' s safe, not people, he' s strong. Uncle I know or don' t know that fact on account, I didn' t know any other source. Forgive me. It' s not that I hear it very well and I' m going over there. Excuse me. You know I left another source, because I say I have to talk to someone who' s working in the seas as long as he can tell me there' s going to be what data we can find here. So it wasn' t Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet I' ve been talking to for several months. Tin Gallaudet is a retired U S Navy oceanographer. He continues to work on a project to which he can talk to the U S Navy and is one of the most vocal people about the strange things found in the seas. And he asks it straight. I' m telling you, look at Glaudio in a private chat pre- moutorized to comment. You think they may be installed in the seas. To be, for example, a strategist who arrived a long

58:09 time ago and settled in the seas. And he says yes to me. It seems to me that this is the most correct hypothesis of all possible. That' s the hypothesis I' m following, that is to say, it' s something that' s not only part of a scientist at a university analyzing the data they' re finding, but the United States Navy itself, because it also told me that they' ve already made observation projects about it and they' re still doing it. She is concerned about this because they encounter objects that move under water at speeds that are impossible and not from now on from making escaras. So there we have the transmedia effect, objects that can move under the water, in the air, in space or go into space and come back under the water as if nothing technology that we don ' t have, but well it could be talking now. You' re doing what you do. Jorge reminds me to throw you a data that filtered me from a very important observatory before the program, because it seems that it can also be a headline when seen. I don' t remember you now.

59:19 That whole question isn' t what we' re going to see. I thought it was so important for me to hear from this Kevin canut Vale man. For the following, to see after the leak of the Pentagon' s reports from December of the year two thousand seventeen, what is clear is that the relationship between the OMNI phenomenon and the seas and the oceans was much greater than we imagined, because what the American pilots tell us is that those lights came out from under the water and it is even more apparent that they have a base near the island of Guadalupe, as it became clear after the incidents of the us that year two thousand four. If it' s wrong I don' t believe an Alejandro Bernal who Kevin Canut is for people to dimension. Juan, professor of physics at the University of Albany, one of the greatest scientists who, from the rigor of science, is worth the expression, has been involved in OMNI research. He is currently part of the Galileo project, which is being flagged by the University of Harbard with exactly avilo juang Well, master, this gentleman did not know him. I seem to remember that I do. Rodrigo Bravo. What do you think of this Kevin Canut investigation? I' ve been freaked out by the data that Fernando Gillebran released to us. Yeah, it' s an important fact, but I mean, it' s not that I think it' s logical. What happens is that we understand that three- quarters of the sea planet is clear.

1:00:51 So, obviously, at the start of an ophthalmic classification, it is absolutely plausible that these data, especially from the seas, are becoming much more transparent today. That is to say, there is a report that we analyzed in the book Ni from Chile, which is by Pedro Sarmiento and Gamboa in 1, 500 eighty, which is written in his memoirs by a Spanish navigator who made the crossing by the Magellan stricho, instead of coming from the Atlantic to the Pacific, did it the other way around. Since then with being Atlantic and in one of his navigations, he sees a red object come out from the water that after coming out of the water, flies over the water to the island that, in this case, on the island Tierra del Fuego, climbs a small hill, transforms its texture from something, circulates to something elongated, changes color and disappears well, what is that? To this day we are still trying to understand what that is, because, as you point to records of American aviation, what I know about navigators from all over the planet.

1:02:05 In short, but you can do the same thing or to that paradigm shift, to the paradigm shift that has already been proposed since the fidelgada of the sixties, with what the revolution of science means and that it was already following the same connectivity, by the same hyperconnection, globalization as a technological phenomenon is being much more appreciated and understood by all people. Therefore, it is already more difficult to keep saved than perhaps before kept the day. She is much more transparent Now, from information you have to do, of course, a gearchization, a hierarchy, that is, with that conceptual historical principle of seeing the cases that are relevant, those that have the most contunence in terms of testimonies, in terms of witnesses, the qualification of the blind, etcetera, etcetera. To also understand how much of that, On the one hand, you can make this famous comparative theory and you can realize that we are under the same type of manifestation or phenomenon or in its effect, you cannot generalize, but at the same time, these are things that have different origins.

1:03:25 I don' t know if you understand me. I understand myself, because we try as much as possible to give a probable explanation to these manifestations. But when we do that casuistic analysis like I pointed out of 1, 500 eighty, there are those from American aviation and so we can see a lot of cases. In making this comparison, we realize the characteristics, that there is a certain diversity that would allow us at the same time also to hypotheize that it cannot necessarily be this same origin, that is, certain intelligences are inserted here in the water. Perfect. It is one of the possibilities, but there are also others that go hand in hand with another type of the same thing that we are talking about the amount of amount of energy or quantity of elements that we don' t even understand that are handled in the universe and, on the other hand, our ability to understand, understand, observe and record them. So I agree with that possibility, I agree with that hypothesis, but I think that this is much broader still, that is, it is an advance, of course, but I would not also focus 100% on that, but that there I believe that the word transmedia, at least serves to be able to encompass or encapsulate these manifestations. But I insist it gives its texture, given the records that there are with higher quality

1:04:58 and conditions. This is more complex for me, because the characteristics of the phenomenon make it very diverse and that, therefore, can have an absolutely different origin from each other. Indeed, that which Rodrigo Bravos has said the key and is the great problem of the phenomenon. As you want to explain everything with a single theory, one and only hypothesis. One way there' s no way. That' s why I thought it was so brilliant about these Harvard people' s earthly cry, because it tells us about four possibilities and that, besides, it' s not so close. There may have been several going through the story and the Keding Canut. I keep doing the wave with this guy from now on to my idol, because to say that they can be under water apart from them, what Rodrigo Bravo says, that maybe everything can' t be explained like this, but that a good part does look like shit to people, I didn' t want to comment, yes, Juan, that precisely about what we were talking about that Vincanut I think is not only one of the most privileged scientific minds regarding this type of research, but, as Fernando Juange said, this man used a computer simulation to be able, from the point of view of a computer tool, to develop this theory. It' s not just elucubration. There is a scientific sustenance around this does not seem tremendous to me and here we continue in mystery night

1:06:30 today talking about how a small group of brave scientists are breaking a spear and clearly backed by science within more prestigious universities like Harvard, are looking for signs of intelligent life and not only in the stars, but this lord as though they give canut even here on earth, under water, beings from another world living among us for no more or less than three hundred thousand years. But another of the things we had to get into that program, because it' s hot news, is that a Pentagon Defense Department contractor gets obsessed, after having a om NI sighting of the year two thousand thirteen, has been investigating it year with the support of the Pentagon, all this official information and it turns out that, moreover, it would have captured to some extent what the propulsion system of these ships of another world is like. Alejandro Bernal, who spent the 28th of August of the year two thousand thirteen in Ontario, for John according to the information published a few days ago by the British daily Daily Mail, a research on purpose led by the ufologist Robert Powell, one of the most important in the world. That twenty- eight August of two thousand need, at nine and forty at night, outside Ontario, there was a

1:08:03 group of three men who were hunting. It' s a common practice in North America. When one of these three men, who belonged to the Pentagon as a contractor, suddenly juangates, he watches over him an impressive elongated artifact. According to this man' s testimony, he' d be half the size of a football field. According to his predictions, he would be the next one hundred and seventy feet long sixty feet wide and twenty feet high and flew slowly over these three hunters. It had like a kind of a good way, to put it in some gross way, a bar and like two dishes, one exactly golden here, a bar, a dish, one side, a dish and out exactly juange and another particular detail about this artifact, not just about the size. It had a strange glow like indigo blue plasma very very intense, which surrounded it according to this witness. Not only was this brightness strange, this plasma enveloping it, but according to him and the other witnesses. It issued a series, a series of lights that were quite coherent. A very soft, very diffuse light, similar to a more similar light, to a laser that this man used to say to a conventional light bulb. Turns out this Pentagon contractor wasn' t meeting two other men who

1:09:36 were in this hunting experience. They went back to the jef they rented. He had a hunting rifle with a target and one of them was carrying a sony Hd camera. They were watching this object for seven minutes. The Pentagon contractor looked at this object with the eye of his rifle. In fact, one of the people who was with him told him at the time that he would shoot. Clearly, this man did not say it, did not do it, simply wanted to see it in more detail and said something very interesting John, that he had neither propulsion mechanisms nor wings, and this was upon them. Turns out one of these men grabbed his sony Hd camera and decided to film or attempt to film this device and it turns out that Juang basically didn' t work. It went out immediately as if a kind of electrostatic had emerged that prevented this device from working properly. According to the testimony of this Pentagon contractor, this huge artifact began to slowly move away and on the horizon an artifact of the same size joined him and suddenly, at an unusual speed, disappeared in the firmament says this man that, unfortunately, this video test did not have the largest house. However, the video was analyzed by Newhone experts, probably the most important OMNI research group in the world and the

1:11:06 most trained. Juange and the experts of the Newfunta, after examining this video recorded by these men determined that if you can see it, it is a video where static white noise is seen. I mean, I don' t know how to see any more, but, according to Newphone experts, clearly a few small pulses that can be seen in this recording would have a perfect pulsation function. They have a consistent pulse, a pulse that' s not random. Juan who passed it, passed the images through an exact spectrometer the spectrometer. What it basically does is to compose the image into a series of numerical parameters. So what happens with this that that filming, although you see it and say good, because it is white noise and such if you pass it through a spectrograph pectometer, sorry, so to see a whole series of numbers and graphics and so that they are complete and absolutely abnormal, because what they are reflecting is that what was recording was and what was nearby was an electromagnetic field to brutal absurdity and that that indigo blue light, that plasma that would cover the ship was by the electromagnetic energy so tremendous that it had this exactly juange cachar. According to this Pentagon contractor and these New Foune experts who examined this material and who took care of this case, this device would require

1:12:42 an energy of one hundred and sixty million batons that it would be able to function in this way, according to the initial calculations, this contractor told the Department of Defense, Juan Genne, this Daily Mail article, that clearly because it belongs to the work it has, because it has seen many artifacts, many patents, and this was something that it had never seen in its life and much less in the year two thousand thirteen, something absolutely anomalous. He provided this information to Mr Robert Powell, this great researcher Juange and, as a specific fact for us to realize the magnitude and amount of energy this artifact would need. For example, there is a nuclear power plant in Fort Colon, Nebraska, which produces four hundred and seventy- eight million batiums, that is, this ship that this Pentagon contractor observed would need thirty- three percent of the power of this central nuclear plant to be able to move Juange and above all, according to NEOPHONE experts, this video would be the first physical and tangible proof of how the OMNI phenomenon can generate electroxta charges that affect apparatuses and that affect our reality is that this is key. First, first, to know how these pots work. Electromagnetic energy. It' s worth an

1:14:14 electromagnetic energy that somehow has to be so well connected to Earth' s gravity. I don' t know how or how, but that has to be connected there. And then, because when an OMNI shows up, you turn off your car, turn off the radio, turn off the camera, turn off. So, the amount of electromagnetic energy that, around that electrostatic, I don' t know and there' s no way that absolutely anything works. So that' s good, this gentleman took the scare of his life, but thank you, thanks to that scare. We know a little bit more and this seems magnificent to me. Dear friend Fernando gille branc what do you think of this new case protected again by the pentagon. I don' t know if Luis Elizondo is leaking that kind of thing or where they come from again, but I think this investigation is magnificent and it' s been made public. I find it magnificent, especially because of the idea that goes to us and already analyzing what we can find tomorrow with a total declassification, which is something that I talked to Speef in bases a couple of months ago in an interview believe, and it is this idea of the energy sources that could be related to the phenomenon. And this has to do a little bit also with the idea of cryptoterrestrials, because everything can be connected to the idea

1:15:45 that these intelligences or are ways of generating energy that absolutely change our understanding of what it is basically to establish an energy self- sufficiency system. I believe that there is one of the keys, as you were saying, to what can happen and a little bit of the paradigm changes to what Rodrigo was pointing at. It gives me the impression that, by deepening this, by having more and more data, this object is launching thirty- three percent of the energy production of a nuclear- centered one into a pulse. He talks to us about two things. First, that none of the enormous energy production, but I think I say it also escapes us because talking to engineers about these issues, the first thing that jumps to the table is the issue of energy efficiency, and energy efficiency is perhaps one of the biggest problems we have.

1:17:00 Every time we touch a wire in our homes or a machine that is electric, that raises temperature, that we feel that it is warm, for example, if we are going to grind coffee the grinder, if it is electric, we touch it, if it is a little heated, that warms that wasted energy, that transforms and is released in the mode of heat. One of the great problems we have as a civilization and at the engineering level is energy efficiency. It is to make the best possible use of energy. And if we could take advantage of 100% of the energy we produce and our devices, our technology would be much more efficient so that we wouldn' t be wasting it. We' d even have less trouble than we have.

1:17:54 But imagine if we can suddenly have access to any of the energy production systems of these devices that, apparently in efficiency, are doing very well, because if they would not disintegrate by heat, because if they would not have too serious problems. Imagine if we could get our hands on any of this would be a resounding change due virtually all over the planet, which would also be the end of a huge energy business for many. Speaking of fossil fuels, talking about different types of energy storage. That is why the issue of total declassification. That is why it is the idea that some governments already have in their possession the remains of these devices and that they have tried to reverse engineering or that they are in fact working with devices developed on the basis of reverse engineering. Well, it gives us the pattern that if that' s really what' s coming in the future, it' s now. But also this totally unknown, because we have no idea how it can happen. So to round off Colonel Carneil was presenting himself at the Soult Conference in New York a month ago. And this conference is a conference exclusively for top- notch

1:19:24 investors from all over the planet, financial brokers, economists, everyone, the economy and finance was there. Three conferences have been held for years in New York, another in Asia and the other in the Arab oil countries. And the coma is that Carneyll worked with David Grash at UAPTS. He showed up and said the non- human intelligences are here with us. I have no doubt. They' re already here and this is something we need to understand and begin to connect to our business systems, because where all this information is released, the first thing you' re going to suggest, which is the environment, the energy environment. So attention a lot. Look at that See what I' m saying. Fernando hir de Bland. It is very key, because this case is not only a case that I would have recorded that I had left a physical sample of what the omnis propulsion system is like?

1:20:27 It is that if the issue of propulsion of the Somnis, if anyone ever dominates it, can copy it or we understand it, that will give a brutal amount of silver, which is what I believe is also behind a good clear part of the som investigations nor the Pentagoni. To see that in New York Times came Mr Ester, physicist Eric W. David, saying he was analyzing the remains of ships from another world that I don' t say. I said it New York Time and commented on it Mr This I repeat Eric W. Davis, a Pentagon contractor, and this would explain the tremendous, tremendous military secrecy that we have and, in addition, in that wonderful marriage that certain private corporations like Bigelow Aeroespece have in the United States with this type of research projects of the phenomenon m and this one at the end of Plata Rodrigo Bravo. What do you think of both the Ontario case and these implications, because in the end it is a moment of implications in which the military is and the business is. Yes, it strikes me, first of all that I' m glad Buffon is still working, because there was a time that was very silent and inside the files, this case is, his number sixty- four thousand two hundred and eighty- two, and that' s no less. Wow. On the other hand, this case promptly attracts attention

1:22:01 concepts such as plasma that there project to ask Fernando to see if good. In fact, it will move us this weekend in a foological meeting that there is in the serene in Chile, by virtue of the museum, the first museum of the UFO, that was created here and well, what happened with that publication project that spoke of plasma and that, in a way, we solved fifty percent of the cases that we had there with as unidentified, because here they need plasma, they speak of harmonic resonance, they speak of energy disturbance and there as you point out we go to electronic war. There is a book written by a fellow countryman, yours Daniel Varcárcel, which is very interesting, which is called intelligence and electronic warfare, the secret battle of the magicians, if I am not mistaken, and which describes what electronic war of defense means, but which in this type of phenomena, anomalies or manifestations has been reflected in not many, but in almost every opportunity, with disturbances, with blockades, with all that we have tried to do from a military point of view to dominate the electromagnetic spectrum. These things seem to be handled or moved at that level of frequencies, because they block everything, and not just block, but, by doing a little review and a wink at paroufology,

1:23:32 they also cause effects in one other way, the witnesses, perhaps by those same electromagnetic waves you will know what is the disturbance that is generated, because yes or yes. There are certain situations that are, on the one hand, absurd or disconnected, but, on the other hand, they are shaped and those disturbances go hand in hand with this kind of wave missions. Then it strikes me, because there are a lot of cases that have similar characteristics. There is one that immediately came to mind that was famous, the famous Ovnil of Bien Watters at the base in Rundelton Forrest, in December of one thousand nine hundred and eighty, where you started this program, making known that there was in certain a sort of binary code of itself ball stick ball, yes, well, one of the main witnesses of that case Sergeant Major Jim Penningston, here on the opportunity to meet in person in the United States, in the two thousand and seven the famous Washington Conference. He in his book In Country in Brundelston Forrett. There are six pages that are dedicated to taking out the pictures of his notebook, where he simply wrote down these codes that came to his mind after going to touch the apparatus that was in front of this whole group of special forces that surrounded him. Rodrigo I' m sorry I didn' t know that. One of the witnesses of rendeng Hand Forrest

1:25:03 Forgive me my English is pathetic, I know, one of the witnesses of this very important British case, says that in his mind he began to pick up a code and put it in a notebook, of course. Of course, and there are six pages of an appendix to your book. That book was written with the other witness, who is John Burregots and Jim Forgiveness, and with Nick Pop, who was like the articulator and compiler, and in his book that in the two thousand fourteen there are six pages where the binary code is, the message binary code, which are several pages of his notebook, because he not only wrote down the symbols that he was able to perceive.

1:25:45 In this because we understand that a group of special forces went to surround something that was introduced within this military camp. That' s it, a thousand nine hundred and eighty Cold Wars. There is a strong movement on the part of such a thing gets involved and, obviously, everyone thought it was some apparatus of the Soviet Union. Then they surround him and realize that he actually had as much shape as certain lights that didn' t go or go, no, no, they weren' t, let' s say, you know, you know, for that one, and this guy, when he realizes that it sounds completely, doesn' t let him run out of his rifle and part and comes and touches this question and when he touches it he realizes that it was like a smooth, metallic and hot material. He says that like an iron, an ironing plate of hot clothes and next to where he put his hand there was a series of symbols that he wrote down in his notebook. But when he comes back, he has in this immediate memory a series of binary code, which are six pages that are in his little notebook and that he takes the photograph out of his notebook, which for him is like the most important material, because well, it would have been a perfect idea of him. But it turns out that the next day it was even Colonel Charthart who only saw this efficient and that when they were the next day, on the spot, seeing that there were also electromagnetic disturbances that

1:27:16 even today there is a collective demand from these witnesses, because they were subjected to radiation and the army is, that is, the force of the United States denied them that possibility. As a result, some died of cancer from this observation. Yes, sir, and these were bad. Even one was abducted and was fatally healthy. We had lost time certine. I don' t remember the guy' s name, I mean, if that story' s a look. One day we do a program on that case, because it' s very accurate. And there, besides everything, the next day, when they were there were electromagnetic disturbance and movement, very similar impulses, to which we just pointed out from the year two thousand thirteen. So, if you start to do this as a comparative theory. We realize that there are certain patterns that are repeated and that clearly help us not. I think they make us worse. But as we draw key pieces from these reports, we realize that there are features that are very similar and one of those is precisely this kind of arbonic resonance or electromagnetic pulsation, which are, on the one hand, disturbing and, on the other hand, cause side effects on people. It is a topic that is tremendous and the story of that British military base that are also up to the recordings of them when they are following a light that are getting into military installation lists, there is one that has a sense of time lost as if time had also stopped and it had been

1:28:50 x times adduced. It' s crazy. I didn' t know that data Rodrigo told us that the guy when he puts his hand, they start going a binary code to the head and some symbols. And so I' d like to see the symbols, because if they have to do with the Te case, I' m going to send the photos and I' m going to talk confecting when I' m going to go to Chile, because I have the contact and we can talk. I hope you can interview Jin Penninstone to deepen this topic. Not very good. I' m gonna pass you the billiards case. I don' t think I' ve ever given you everything that the stone symbols appeared and so remind me this week by Whatsapp and I' ll pass it to you and the symbols and so that it ' s crazy and clear, all this leaves a series of electromagnetic brand and see in white and bottle. In other words, they are several key cases that have been investigated in depth so take and when there are the military, it is an advantage because they have a much greater investigative capacity than that of a foot folog and they make it clear to us that this propulsion system effectively prevents mechanical objects from working. Such can disturb our health. How many cases there are of people who have been close to one. I have finished badly look what happened here in Colombia, in the sixty- nine arts and io bel Múdez, for being close to an identified flying object. And this is data that push us forward and I think it' s something magnificent. My

1:30:27 friend Fernando gir de ben has to comment on this that Rodrigo Bravoca has told us. You know, when you guys talk, you give me a tip that you leave me in shoc I didn' t know that part of this case and it left me in shock. What do you think, buddy look what is telling us is that what is telling us, Rodrigigo Vos takes me to the beginning of the program also because it is super interesting how things are connecting and going ivanando with what happens today. In fact, Rodrigo, yes, let' s absolutely try to do an interview there, because I would be delighted. You know this idea of the zero stick stick that you also described at the beginning of this broadcast, that you could talk to JS who later found it in this language of Antiquity. Yeah, but one thing to swallow my idea of doing. When I take out the three words that are in the stone, I put the inscription to rashirras admed of the Foundation in the Arabs and tell him this is a sentence in the final you tell me yes, sure and that is why you put me in contact with the Adu caran in order to be able to translate it. But I was with a professor of history at the University of Usdah and I did the same thing and he told me the same thing. It was a trick that you can'

1:32:00 t make up a handwriting. You understand that I spent it, for example, I passed it through two historians, that is, without them ever assuming the source. Whatever it was, it' s just one thing that' s why I got so caught up in the desert it' s waved so many times in the desert and all those pods, no, but it' s just crazy. So when I give the data Rodrigo Bravo, I say milk pass me the information in case they match anything. No. I don ' t know out of curiosity, I' m sorry Fernando I cut you off all the time. No, not because of this, because in reality this is what we are passionate about finding these kinds of relationships that are not necessarily always at first sight, but are only sometimes found even in a form of fortune. Yes, you. You imagined that if we suddenly ask this man what he saw in this binary code sop, what is it that he perceived and half looks for a stick zero stick even clear far, which adds even more to the idea of cryptoterrestrials, because we are talking about a writing that is thousands of years old and that Paris at a close encounter in the nineties in Europe and Aparís at another close encounter in the eighties. I think it was also in a country that also appears in South America. And another thing to see, Juan Joventez and I, well, all day long we

1:33:32 do a show and I invite you both and well, in this case you interview me away from me you interview me and I tell the stories. It all comes from that when j jota de Benitez and I sit with this gentleman I repeat Rashirras Admes of the Arab Euro Foundation, when we begin to ask him about the writing and so we say hear him. There is a place in Algeria, which is the Tasili, where there appear some ungrateful beings and there as if they were aliens in a place called Jabar, in the valley of the giants, in tama Check, there is writing. He tells me yes clear as much as you want, because what was invented there. I was like what and then I signed to Silly and I saw it already and I filmed it clear in Javar, in the valley of the giants, where all the aliens are. And just in that area, in the Tasilis, there' s writing, writing that hasn' t translated a lot of caravan inscriptions, it hasn' t translated a damn thing that I' ve been there exactly. It' s not like they' re telling me, that means the professional crazy guy forgives faith Just tell him it' s crazy because I' m gonna throw you away now. I' m gonna throw something at you now to keep you awake all morning. You don' t think so, no, you don' t like what I love. You love this kind of thing I love it. I love it. Now we are

1:35:02 going to get back into the realm of science, because we were talking about change, about paradise, about scientists, about these men and women who break up with the cage of thought and suddenly encourage those questions. Turns out you ' re talking a lot to Garry Noland, who' s a pathologist at Stanford University, was the Nobel Prize candidate. He wasn' t given to talk about aliens. It is one of the types that is one of the members of the Foundation only one of the founders of the Fundación Sol Nada. He' s really a genius. Turns out you' re a pathologist and he' s been developing for many years. There was a study for the intelligence and defense services of the United States, but he reviewed, in fact, with another doctor Kift Green. The point is this, that' s the big question. There' s a DNA print to look for. It turns out that talking a lot with Garry Nolan one afternoon, speaking for Whatsapp before an interview, I say good, because it' s very interesting the work he' s doing with the experimenters. They are the ones who take out this study in which we begin to talk about experimenters and sequels, which leaves the phenomenon about people who have been very close, for example, who mature in the skin, neurological lesions, tinnitus or ringing in the ears, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, problems in the eyes,

1:36:34 dental programs, a lot of questions. They take out this leaking paper, which has to go to a secret Pentagon commission and also the Senate to also evaluate the possibility of reviewing reverse engineering, understanding what the systems of proportion would be from the physical sequelae in humans. Well, he does this study, shares this information, but he' s left with a discovery, so it ' s very interesting, because he works with a group of U S Navy and Air Force pilots and also remote dividers attention with this. He works with both remote viewers and pilots and he finds himself doing these studies. This is much longer. I' m going to be super summary. Dale, Dale, what' s in the experimenters is a different brain configuration than the brain configuration of the rest of humanity. Too bad we' ve reached the end of the program. They' re warning me, Garryon Lan A whole genius and infiltrators. We would one day have to make a program other than that possibility that there are beings from another world who are infiltrated into our society.

1:37:47 We reach the end of the program and have thirty seconds each to give the conclusion, the closure and your social networks. Rodrigo bravo, my friend, you have thirty seconds to close. Very funny. Thank you for the invitation, as always a very interesting degree, always at your disposal. My twitter or x rice, Bufon, Instagram, ego yon under Buffon a hug. Thank you so much 30 Thank you very much for the invitation. Arm Turn find me simply put the signal on YouTube and it will look like channel and if not, throw Science and Mystery also on YouTube and they will find my channel and if not, they can also find it on Instagram, where we are quite active. Thank you, thank you for the invitation. It' s always a pleasure to be with you friends. Thank you very much, friends. We highly recommend that YouTube channel, the Signal Science and Mystery Juan one of the programs where we have had the most news and current in the Omni phenomenon privileged to be part of this panel and can follow me on Instagram in arroba abernal Press. We' re not alone. The phenomenon is not much more complex. He looks at us not only from the stars, from under the water, or perhaps from his neighbor' s balcony. And never, never forget that we live in a magical world, because it is full of mystery