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Hey, everybody, how' s
it going there? My name is Juan

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Jesús Vallejos and journalist, writer and
director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol

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Radio see death not as an end, but as a beginning. This is

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seen by different religions that open up
the possibility of reincarnation. Also different researchers,

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such as the American psychiatrist Ian Stevenson, who investigated different cases of reincarnation

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around the world. One of the
most spectacular cases of the 20th century is

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the one that happened to the British
Dorothy Iri This since she was a child,

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had dream with ancient Egypt, specifically
with a place full of columns where

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there was a garden full of fruit
trees. Years later, when he was

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a teenager and saw for the first
time in his life. A photograph of

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the temple of Avidos. She realized
that her dreams reached that place. Decades

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later, Dorothi Iri was able to
go to Egypt, lived there and worked

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as an archeologist and dedicated the last
years of his life to rebuilding the temple

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of Avidos. She could even discover
the fruit garden that she saw in her

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dream a story to make us rethink
what life is and what death is.

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But if you want to know about
this and much more, don' t

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miss the last mystery night podcast on
Caracol Radio Stories the afternight and mystery Juan

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Jesús Vallejo. Death is not the
end. It' s just a fresh

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start. Many of you may not
believe me, but I' d like

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you to pay attention for a few
minutes to this whole story, Great Britain.

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In a thousand nine hundred and four. There was born a girl named

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Dorothy lovis Iri, and she was
a normal girl, with a total and

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absolutely normal existence, until three years
later, three years old, fell down

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the stairs of her house. He
hit his head so hard he died.

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She was dead for almost an hour. Moreover, the doctor arrived and as

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he arrived at the house, he
signed even the death part. However,

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a few minutes later Dorothy got up
and was even playing in a normal way.

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Neither the doctor nor his parents attested
to what they saw. But that

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just happened. What the girl said
was that someone came from the past and

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rescued her. The parents were shocked
by this phrase, but they did not

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want to give it more importance.
The fact is that the girl, the

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following year, four years old,
told her parents that she saw that she

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was in a building surrounded by columns
and in that building, right next to

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a garden in which there were fruit
trees. The parents also did not attach

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greater importance to Dorothy' s dream. The fact is that within a few

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years she was taken to the British
Museum and when Dorothy entered the room of

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Egyptology, the girl went mad,
went for the statues and began kissing their

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feet. The parents were shocked by
the child' s behavior and when they

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grabbed her in the face of the
abnormal behavior the child was presenting she told

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them dads, Egypt is my home. A few years later, in a

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local newspaper, she saw a photo
of the temple of Avidos, the temple

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consecrated to the god Osiris and told
her parents that this was the place she

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had seen in her dreams. The
parents were still not out of their astonishment.

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At the age of fourteen, Dorothy
began working directly with the curator of

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the British Museum, who carried the
entire part of giptology. He started studying

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Egyptology and learned so quickly that no
one could explain it. He began translating

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Egyptian hieroglyphics and I assure you that
he is in Egypt many times that is

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not easy. Also at that age
at fourteen. Dorothia claimed that in a

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dream a man in a white robe
and a blue cape appeared to him,

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and that that man spoke to him
saying that he was Pharaoh Seth first.

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And here begins the most curious thing. When the nights of the full moon

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arrived, Dorothi went into a trance
and began to write his hand. He

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moved alone and took notes, what
is known as automatic writing, something that

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the spiritists do. But Dorothy didn' t have any training. Well,

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there a character from ancient Egypt,
a priest named Orre, told her that

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she was the reincarnation of an Egyptian
priestess named Betre Sith, the daughter of

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an Egyptian military man, and her
mother was a modest fruit seller. Her

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father had worked for Setti first and
she herself, as Priestess, was a

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lover of Setti first. For now
the science fiction novel appeared, but not

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all completely and absolutely real with proven
facts. When she was 27, she

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started working for an Egyptian PR magazine. He started publishing articles. He met

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an Egyptian ab the Mehit, and
married him. Shortly afterwards he went to

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live in the city of Cairo.
With him he had a son and that

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son he called Sethy. That is
why, from that moment on, in

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Egypt they began to call her om
Setty, who Arabic means Setti' s

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mother. He continued to work in
Egypt. He got work at the Museum,

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in the Department of Antiquities began to
write documents for different archaeologists and something

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very curious, began to make embroidery
of what life was like in ancient Egypt,

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with such vibrancy and with so many
details that those embroidery today are at

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the Brooklyn Museum in New York.
He lived twenty years in Memphis, working

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as an archeologist in Giza and Dashur, in what is the main area of

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the fourth Dynasty. He was not
avid until a thousand nine hundred and fifty

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- two. When he became avid, he was so shocked that that night

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he entered the temple and began to
burn incense and pray in ancient Egyptian to

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old gods that for millennia no one
prayed to them. In a thousand nine

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hundred and fifty- six it was
sent there definitively to preserve the temple of

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Avidos, the temple of Setti.
First, what happens is that the temple

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was really wrong, it was very
shattered and there were more than 2,

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000 stone blocks with inscriptions scattered around
the temple throughout its life. What she

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did was sort those blocks and translate
the inscriptions of them, with which she

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learned prayers to communicate with the god
Osiris, the god of the dead,

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the god who opens the doors in
the sea there and again, when the

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nights of the full moon arrived,
while she lived very close to the temple

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of Avidos, again began to write
and began to write all the things that

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Setti told it. First, from
the afterlife his former lover in Egypt appeared

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to him many times in dreams as
well. And it is very curious because

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Setti first told him in dreams that
the whole history of Atlantis was real,

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that the Mediterranean, in a previous
time was a great, a great plain,

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a great dry place, which is
true geologically, and that one day

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suddenly flooded and that ended Atlantis.
According to Setty' s first dream testimony,

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what would remain of Atlantis is the
Greek islands of the Aegean Sea.

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And what is more this Mrs Dorothi
was so curious that Assetti asked her if

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there was life on other worlds and
Setti first told her that yes, even

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that there were human beings on other
worlds, describing to her what was the

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life of human beings on other worlds? Inside metal houses with large windows.

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In addition to this, Dorothi,
the nights of ancient Egyptian feasts, such

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as the birthday of the goddess Isis, which is the fifteenth of June,

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went to the temple at night to
make ancient spells, speaking in the language

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spoken by the ancient pharaohs, and
thus spent her life in a very humble

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house, near the temple of avids, a dovehouse in which she lived alone,

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because she divorced with cats, a
donkey and an oca. Before he

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died in a thousand nine hundred and
eighty- one, even the BBC made

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a documentary of his life. He
began to have a certain world fame,

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especially because, as an archeologist,
he was a brilliant person. One of

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the curious things that happened to her
is that she discovered right next to the

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temple of Setti and first of the
temple of Avidos, the garden she saw

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of Girl in Dreams. When he
died, he ordered that his tomb be

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looking west toward the Kingdom of Osiris. The God who receives the living at

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the gates of the afterlife is curious, because he could not be buried in

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a Muslim cemetery or a Christian.
For everyone, Dorothi was a heretic,

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because the religion that followed, which
had disappeared almost two thousand years ago,

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was that of the ancient Egyptians,
just as she dreamed of Niña, and

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so she made her life. To
this day, Dorothy, better known to

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Omsetti, is a legend, a
real legend. Any Egyptologist who asks you

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in Egypt knows Omsetti' s story
perfectly and will tell you that he has

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no explanation, but that this woman
became a legend and that, as an

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Egyptologist, she was one of the
best of her time. Zai Jaguas himself,

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the best Egyptologist in the world,
minister who was Egyptian Antiquities Minister,

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has said so, one of the
best archaeologists in history and a woman who,

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by her talent and her life,
became legend. By making us understand

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that the present is but a reminiscence
of the past, that everything we do

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we have an echo in eternity and
that if we love magic and mystery,

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we will be the protagonist of them. My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo.

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What you want to follow me on
social media. My twitter is Arroba Juang

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Vallejo, Juan j E Vallejo,
on Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo

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and This is another mystery night show
and here what we do is mystery journalism.

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We put the facts on the table
and you decide what is behind it

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and not what you think of the
story of om Setti, the woman named

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Dorothy Lowis Iri and who, according
to her dreams, was an ancient Egyptian

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sazordotisa who was called Betre Sith.
The truth is that I have gone the

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Temple many times in my life and
that this year will go again. I

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assure you that there, in Avidos, everyone knows its history and bows when

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the name of this lady is mentioned, who was the great conservative and reconstructionist

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of the Temple of Avidos, and
I repeat, a woman who with her

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life wrote a legend. You know
I' m doing an author' s

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trip and I' ve made the
introduction to Egypt. Well, well,

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you know that the second fortnight of
this month of September of this two thousand

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twenty- four I am going to
take a trip to Egypt, to the

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land of the Pharaohs, to navigate
the magic thread, to fascinate them with

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the mystery of the Pyramids. And
we will, of course, go to

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the temple of Avidos, the temple
of Osiris, the temple where the doors

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open. To the beyond all the
information of this journey. I repeat,

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second fortnight of the month of September
of two thousand twenty- four, you

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have it on the website Three trips
Juan Jesús Vallejo com In very few days,

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two or three days already there was
the information of the trip, repeat,

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three trips Juan Jesús Vallejo? We
encourage you to live the magic of

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Egypt and the magic of sailing the
Nile and we start there without cursing.

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Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how
are you? All right. Walhe a

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greeting for IT, for Ritchie the
controls and, of course, for all

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the listeners who access this content through
the podcast that we posted on the YouTube

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channel of Caracol Radio Juang While you
were telling that story of Dorett and Iri,

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it has always seemed easy to me
to see you as a woman who

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is one of the highest references of
Egyptology in all history. Yes, in

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the 20th century, which is clearly
an absolute genius, he had such a

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special connection to magic and a woman
of science to give what they only gave

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of science. And it' s
curious because Egyptian archaeologists that in general the

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most skeptical people in the world.
They tell him about Omsetti and everyone settles

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down they say no, not this
lady' s completely real. She said

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she was a priestess, but the
aunt, that is, found the gardens

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of the avid temple. Rehizo,
the temple of Avidos. He translated all

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the inscriptions from the temple of Avidos. I knew how to write and read

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hieroglyphics when I was under 20 years
old. It' s a bestiality,

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but a bestiality. And then and
it' s funny and it' s

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sad, not because her grave is
in the middle of nowhere, near the

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temple, but it' s in
the middle of nowhere, because she couldn

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' t be buried in any graveyard, since she was the religion of ancient

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Egypt Tremendo Juan who imagine yourself having
the ability to translate those hieroglyphics that she

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isn' t even Gyptologists from the
same country could do and this woman we

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' re included. Impressive that story, but above all, that goes very

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badly with the theme of today'
s game program, reincarnation, stories of

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the people who transmigrate, who re- adopt another subject in this world,

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stories easily with the writer Marco Ruacho. Indeed, friend, history of the

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afterlife. I do believe that death
is just a new beginning. I do

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not believe in death and I am
convinced that we are travelers from a multiverse

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and we will continue to see each
other in another world, as Setti said

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first in sleep Adorothi, that there
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What a great mystery of ancient Egypt. That' s why I' m

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fascinated. Anyway, let' s
give way to the interview we have with

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Marco Roballo, who has researched these
kinds of issues and the interview started like

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this for many researchers and already,
in this has been involved many scientists like

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Samparniya Pim van Lomel many decades ago
already started with this Raimon Mudi. Death

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would be nothing more than the last
known frontier, one more step in life,

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since for these researchers, and it
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my subjective opinion life, death forgiveness
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since we are travelers of a multiverse. We do not know where we are

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going, but I am convinced that
this journey continues and the interview we have

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today I have here in my hands
a book by Marco T Roballo called transmigration.

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The fifth tomb, the fifth tomb
of the Planeta publishing house. And

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what Marco does in this novel is
to tell us precisely about that possibility,

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that we are travelers of a multiverse, but frame, as is the first

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time you are with us, who
is Marco Roballo for our entire audience.

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Well, thank you very much for
the invitation to the program with Jesus Alexander.

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I am happy to be here again
in Colombia, in my country,

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and to be able to talk a
little bit about this exciting issue that in

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past lives, transmigration, reincarnation,
as some people often call it. Marco

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Orroballo is an author of teraplanets.
I have several books written, but in

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this genre, in this genre that
has to see a little beyond? Like

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what' s a little bit beyond? But of life is therefore transmigration,

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and man is in the mirror.
I' m a mechanical engineer. I

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have lived in the United States for
twenty- four years and sometimes I travel

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here to Colombia once or twice a
year, especially in the framework of the

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international book fair very well. Thank
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and sharing your time writing Transmigration and
you were telling me another book also where

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you talked about that possibility of reincarnation
you did it out of pure desire that

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well, basically you' re a
writer and it' s a subject that

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caught your attention. Or you have
had personal experiences related to this that marked

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you and pushed you to dedicate part
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I believe that the author, being
versatile, can have many fields of

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exploration in the literature part. I
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warned reader from an early age,
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seventeen years old, I already had
more than five hundred books read in all

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kinds of genres, but there was
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find that world that seems to be
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I began to do some research and
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book by an American psychiatrist who is
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in which I find something that was
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an exploration on the horizon that caught
my attention and was like a patient of

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this prestigious American doctor, led him
to transcend or to look better, to

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look on that vast horizon something that
we did not know and is that there

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is beyond that border that we know
as life. That, then, also

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opened my curiosity and about twenty-
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it was actually that there were other
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manifested. I am of Catholic religion, I am not as much as I

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would like to be in religion,
but I gave myself as that space to

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look for if there were actually other
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to. And that' s how
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regression hypnosis of people in one of
Brian Whise' s books. I don

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' t know, Alejandro, if
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pages there' s how to make
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of experience with someone. And so
I wanted to, I didn' t

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want to, and I don'
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take my wife as a school,
me from Indias, but I practiced that

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regression. She was used participatoryly and
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ve done that regression. What would
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could get to that hypnotic trance and
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d find it. That was the
way, as I see myself, I

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was linked to this process that suddenly
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wanting to investigate more and more and
more every day until that first book appears,

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the topic of the comeback says.
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because the very rhythm moves the creator
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which is the first time that someone, specifically this gentleman in doctor and psychiatrist,

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someone gets into investigating near- death
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whole series. Let' s say
about points and parallels between people who have

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been clinically dead and then resurrected.
And those points, well, they'

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re super- wise. It'
s a sense of weightlessness to find yourself

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in a place where it' s
really very comfortable and not wanting to see

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your life again in a few seconds
to pass before your eyes, to meet

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beings who have already passed away and
to be able to talk to them about

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the famous tunnel that we can see
drawn even in a picture of the forest

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and even to see a being of
light that in a moment tells you that

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it' s not your time.
And it' s funny because Ritmo Mudie

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starts with this and then he gets
obsessed. Also on the subject of hypnotic

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regressions. I have to say that
I have a personal experience. I don

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' t know if he ever told
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t think so. So many years
ago. Alejandro didn' t really tell

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it many years ago with a well- known child therapist in Spain, Horacio

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Ruiz, who was the person,
a person who worked a lot with Fernando

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Jiménez del Oso who ten years ago
was a very well- known person who

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in peace rests me from the stars. Well, I, at the time

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I was running twenty- two years
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another border and then I said,
well, then, let me have a

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hypnotic regression. And this was the
channel with no expectation of anything else.

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It' s worth things like sony
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of hypnosis, because it has to
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subject of regression, because this gentleman
suddenly sent me to my mom' s

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belly to feel like I was between
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And all of a sudden, because
I remember it perfectly, looting my fingers

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and it' s like and before
that you see then what I saw is

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that I remember it as if it
was ara itself because you see as phrases,

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that is, you don' t
see a movie itself, but you

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see as fran as loose photographs.
No. Then I remember that I was

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in a meadow like very green,
that there was a girl who had a

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white dress and that I just saw
her from the back, I didn'

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t see her face. I felt
like a tremendous love for that woman I

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didn' t see and she was
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little crespo. That' s because
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I couldn' t move forward.
Another scene happened to me and I

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was, well, in a castle
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age and there were gentlemen and there
was someone who seemed like very important,

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not if I was like a king
or something, and I liked that guy

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very badly. I don' t
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After that, that here begins the
curiousness of the experience, it brings

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me out again and into another scene
of that time and I look in a

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white robe. I imagine it was
a Templar. I don' t know,

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but I was dressed in military and
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is having hallucinations or, let'
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m telling you, I smelled the
mesh size. I smelled like iron.

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I felt the weight of the iron
that was on me, I felt the

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moisture, the sticky moisture and the
dirt of the place where I was.

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I was in a cell with a
gentleman who was like a monk, but

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we weren' t locked up,
but it was kind of a cell,

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but it was excavated in the rock. The walls were not made of stone

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blocks, but were like some kind
of underground. I was there with him

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and I didn' t talk to
him and just because I felt like there

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begins the funny topic, this one
like that I had to go here to

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San Juan de Acre and I had
not everything that made me repeat that I

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had to go to San Juan de
Acre. I had not read of Templars

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at that time of my life.
I hadn' t read a fucking Templar

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or anything. Well, then another
scene happens to me and in that other

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scene what I see is that I
go in a small boat. I understand

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that because of the Mediterranean and the
people who go with me are Arabs the

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only one who had no Arab was
me. And then in the next scene,

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which is the most curious. I' m suddenly with other gentlemen who

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are dressed like me, but I' m on horseback and the rest is

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on foot and I know I shake
hands with one and I' m on

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the horse, I shake hands with
one. I tell you again what I

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have to go to San Juan de
Acre and so and I understand that those

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who are going to stay there because
of me or for me to escape or

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for me to leave will kill them. Then I began to cry in a

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tremendous way to the point that Horacio
Ruiz had to get me out of the

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hypnotic trance and I never made the
video public because it seemed very personal to

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me and the fact that I started
to cry like a madalena, because it

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was like I didn' t feel
like everyone would see this. Then,

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Horacio insisted on me Hey, Juange, you have a trauma from a past

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life It' s true that I
have a regression. I wasn' t

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gonna get paid. He didn'
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but I was so scared and I
had such a hard time because of that

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kind of trauma that went out there
that well, and that shocked me a

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lot. I was very impressed in
the sense, because and then I talked

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to friends psychologists and said no,
because it can be a state of deep

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suggestion and then that' s why
you had those illusions in your senses,

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like smelling the height of mesh,
like feeling the humidity as such. But

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yes, it' s something that
shocked me a lot that really or not

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really. And in this I have
no idea just the experience I had.

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I know what I lived, I
know I was shocked by a lot and

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I don' t believe in death, but out of conviction, I'

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m neither Catholic, nor Christian,
nor anything at all, but I don

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' t believe in death. I
don' t believe in death for but

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not at all and I became obsessed
with this and that' s why I

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so many times one of the things
that pushed me to go to Egypt and

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investigate life after life in Egypt and
other cultures. And I do find this

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fascinating. Marco. I don'
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was and if to such an extent
it impacted you to get you to write

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that first novel, for the truth
that the story I lived in regression was

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the milk in the sense of forgiveness
for having said it as colloquial, but

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on the one hand it was very
magical, but on the other hand,

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I had it fatal, I had
it remal i mean, I started to

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cry, but you can' t
imagine. I know you had to get

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out of traffic because special preparation is
needed. Or in theory, anyone can

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make a hybmotic regression. In principle, because more than 90 percent of people

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are susceptible to being immotized, then, if they can notice you already,

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they can make a regression. What
happens is that regression is done when you

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' re in a very deep state
of hypnosis, that' s like after

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an hour or so at least the
one that I did, the one they

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did to me then. But it' s very curious. What I was

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saying before, so I do visual
classes because it' s that you see

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it for a few seconds, you
see that you' re there and that

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you see people and what else,
it freaks out what most scratched my head

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that that' s why I went
to see a friend you psychologist and such

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hallucinations or illusions call it whatever you
want, sensitive, the smelling of iron

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from the height of mesh, feeling
with weight and humidity and such, but

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it lives it real, but real, that a dream, yes, much

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more. I recommend everyone as an
experience, because you want here I do

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not make anyone anything, but as
an experience. Yeah. It is very

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curious and then notice that there are
a lot of researchers who became obsessed with

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good rhythms, very dim. He
became obsessed with the creator of the book

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Life After Life, and he was
the one who brought out good, for

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everything that happens at that time of
death to a lot of people writing that

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book, which was a super ber
being the worlds. First he writes about

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the Vaina tunnel like this and he
became obsessed with it. And no wonder

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because if they do it to you
and it works half right, it'

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s an experience you' re going
to remember all your life, but absolutely

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all your life. We were interviewing
writer Marco Roballo and telling stories that make

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us think that death is really just
the beginning, that there is a beyond,

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and not only that, but the
possibility of reincarnation. And the interview

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with Marco Roballo continues ah Yes,
well, Jesus, I think I would

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have to answer this question a little
bit further. I have always had a

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somewhat strange perception of the events that
are about to take place. Let'

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s say that frequency, that frequent
visit of the people who have left,

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because it has called my attention a
lot. I began to have them from

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an early age with people who had
died, who came, visited me in

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sleep and told me things and asked
me for favors. So that struck me

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a little bit to know that there
were strange events to which I never had

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or could give some kind of explanation. Let' s say, one of

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the moments that hit me the most
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I had a taxi. I was
working as an engineer in a company

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and within one of the things I
had was that I had bought a taxing

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and had it so that a driver
who was going sporadically would take it and

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go to work at a certain time. I didn' t want to keep

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his car in the car anymore I
left my car in the car and I

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didn' t want to take it
out again because it was a lot of

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trouble. There was always some kind
of argument because where something like that came

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in. Then the last of the
drivers that I had already told him that

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I didn' t want to get
any more out of the car came to

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the company where I worked and told
me poor engineer. I want you,

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please, opportunity. I just had
a kid. He' s a few

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months old and I' d like
him to give me a chance to get

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back to work in the cab.
I told him, man, no,

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no, I wouldn' t want
to. Well, we were there talking

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at the end of the day I
told him it' s okay. I

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' m gonna leave the car for
you to work it' s only at

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night, because at night I need
the game to keep carlos. Then by

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day they' re being left.
I never understood myself with this kind of

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business and I let this be handled
by my wife because of the fact that

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I worked with a cement company in
the north of the country and was always

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busy. So she' s the
one who' s in charge of giving

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them keys and all this sort of
stuff. One day, one Sunday be

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my wife, with my children they
went out and I stood in the house

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and just at that moment this gentleman
arrived. When he arrived, he turned

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me around. I wasn' t
going to open the door because I was

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doing some other homework, but it
was so much the insistence that I went

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out to take care of him.
Then he told me he was going for

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Carlos' keys. I give it
to the tire and car and there was

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a kind of radio that was removable
that would put the carts and could be

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removed. I remember a lot about
that scene that when he' s already

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leaving, they call me, they
call me an engineer. You can lend

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me, please, the stage of
the radio I want to listen to music.

408
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.480
I gave it to her. Okay. I' ll come back and

409
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:27.519
take a couple of steps. Juan, when something makes me stop, it

410
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.800
makes them come back in my footsteps. I stared at the lord and blessed

411
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.880
him, thinking that he would no
longer be seen that night he was killed.

412
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.800
It was a pretty strong question for
me. Pretty strong above all that

413
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.480
I felt some guilt because suddenly I
couldn' t have stopped that. I

414
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:50.199
didn' t know what was going
to happen, but the fact that I

415
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:55.320
had given him like that blessing had
no explanation at all, because I never

416
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.000
in my life. I do that, because I' m Catholic, but

417
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.159
I' m so practical before I
do this kind of thing. I had

418
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.280
to go to the examination of his
body. I went with his family and

419
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.199
started to question what' s on
the bottom of all this. When I

420
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.039
was introduced to people and they said
hey look, it' s just that

421
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:16.440
I left something pending. I need
you to help me with this. It

422
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:22.880
was too frequent when I dreamt of
them at a certain time in Dallas,

423
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:28.360
Texas, where I live, that
a situation is presented to me that was

424
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:32.039
quite strong for me and is that
my dream is that there is a red

425
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:38.159
car, a four- door car, of a recent model, that crashes

426
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.960
against a pole and has a pretty
strong coalition. As soon as I wake

427
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.199
up. John Jesus, yes,
Alexander I tell my wife is going to

428
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.119
see an accident. There' s
going to be a very strong accident.

429
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:52.159
I want anyone we know to be
a red car, but to have to

430
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.719
drive the car. My daughter has
a red car, but she' s

431
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:58.800
a gip. She told me,
but it was a gip and she told

432
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:00.199
me I didn' t tell her. I didn' t say of everyone

433
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.000
that they let him go in a
touch of what' s in the jimil,

434
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:08.360
but that they won' t take
the car out, because because so

435
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:12.519
many things with jesus have happened to
me, because they took what I was

436
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.159
saying very seriously. However, we
left for work. When I arrive at

437
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.440
my house in the afternoon, a
section of the suburbs of dalas is called

438
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.599
morphy texas. When I am arriving
there is a helicopter near my house two

439
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.679
blocks from a mall house and the
helicopter was overflying the area. Then we

440
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.920
arrived all our lives were closed and
when they gave way to me to be

441
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.800
able to turn, he found the
same red four- door car. He

442
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:43.599
had crashed or crashed into a pole
and his three passengers had died, all

443
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:49.119
sixteen- year- olds. So, when that kind of thing starts to

444
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.360
happen, when you see, let' s say with my case that I

445
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.440
see a person falling from the second
floor to the first floor of my house,

446
00:38:54.639 --> 00:39:00.840
here really back and before a fire
engine starts to sound, it starts

447
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:05.639
to an ambulance car. Start ringing. I see the whole picture and they

448
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.760
call me with what has happened,
because that strikes them a little bit because

449
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:13.159
they happen to them that kind of
thing that you don' t want to

450
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.800
happen. I don' t want
to know what' s going on before

451
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.320
this happens. But when you know
you' re going to ring the phone,

452
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.519
you' re going into a phone
call that doesn' t bring nice

453
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.360
news, that kind of thing makes
you live in an undesirable situation. So

454
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.559
I think that kind of thing in
the past, which happened to me very

455
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.239
regularly, made me question about that. When I did the regression to my

456
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:43.440
wife I was looking for an answer
to that. If it was true that

457
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.480
that happened, I' ll regress
it. My wife had antecedent that she

458
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:51.320
was afraid of cars. She couldn' t get past an avenue. I

459
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:55.400
always had one to accompany her to
pass the avenue and in that regression,

460
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.039
I told her, because let'
s try to look, if possible,

461
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.000
in an ethical way, to try
to sublimate that, to end that and

462
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:08.599
make that regression. Or that'
s something we' ve talked about before

463
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:15.119
with Alexander. I' m regressing
her and, to my surprise, she

464
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:19.360
comes to the day of the accident
when she was with her brother in the

465
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.599
car. She tells me with luxury
of details what has happened to her,

466
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:28.239
something that normally in her consciousness I
am not agreed in gives me up to

467
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:35.320
the license number or the carmen plate. It gives me very accurate features or

468
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.280
details of the day of the accident. When she tells me all this,

469
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.920
I tell her to try to overcome
that which she no longer remembers. More

470
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:45.760
than that, but more. However, she wanted me to go to another

471
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:51.960
situation at some other time where she
would also have had some kind of unpleasant

472
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.559
experience with a vehicle. And to
my surprise, she since you tell me

473
00:40:54.800 --> 00:41:00.239
I have another experience. After a
few minutes of silence, he tells me

474
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.199
there is another experience. She begins
to tell me that she goes in a

475
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:09.519
car and that the car goes down
to the same fast speeding down the hill

476
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.320
and I ask her what the car
was telling me. They tell me about

477
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.559
a car that has tires like a
bicycle. That' s a lot of

478
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.400
attention, because I was talking about
a car from the early 19th century,

479
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:28.840
the late 18th century. I'
m very attracted to it. That does

480
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.320
not forgive at the end of the
19th century, the beginning of the 20th

481
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:36.880
century. When she tells me this, I tell her to describe the situation

482
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:38.920
that the car is driving here and
she tells me she' s handling it

483
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:44.280
herself. And for me it was
hardly possible that that would happen, because

484
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.920
I was just starting to drive a
vehicle. I was teaching him this kind

485
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.559
of driving in Barranquilla. And when
I tell her to describe herself, she

486
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.679
tells me or tells me she has
the uniform. He' s a man,

487
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:02.039
he' s got a U S
military uniform and he' s got

488
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:06.840
a beard and he' s crashing
into the car and finally dies. Then

489
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:12.599
that, then, after she wakes
up from this transignotic. Okay. That

490
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.440
' s good. We were tremendous. We remained silent, We had not

491
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:20.719
what to say, We did not
have an answer, but I did know

492
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:22.840
that there was something that suddenly we
do not know, why we do not

493
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.679
know. I don' t know
why we don' t have that memory

494
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:28.119
to cut us short of that.
I don' t know. A lot

495
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:31.119
of people talk about genetic memory that
they' re suddenly things that have happened

496
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.119
the most. However, let me
think that there is something and that I

497
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:40.920
suddenly do not know the religion of
governments. There' s someone who should

498
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.280
be interested in finding out what'
s there, what we don' t

499
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.519
know. Why we are prepared for
a first communion, for a confirmation,

500
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.639
for a marriage, but for the
most important step that we have to change

501
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:55.639
suddenly, what we have as physical
life. Why doesn' t anyone tell

502
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:59.039
us about it, why doesn'
t it prepare us, why we have

503
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.400
to be so afraid of something that
shouldn' t be and I, like

504
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.639
you, don' t believe much
either. No, I totally agree with

505
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.440
you. We are not prepared for
anything, to die him. We have

506
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:14.199
tremendous terror. Yes, it is
true that as a human, although human

507
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.000
nature has less and less faith in
many things, but as a human,

508
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:22.239
it is true that that feeling of
loss and emptiness that we have when a

509
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:28.320
loved one leaves, for it is
something that can destroy us. I mean,

510
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.360
this I once commented on, and
I have the misfortune of curiosity in

511
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:34.280
my life. I ran out of
family when I was thirty- five,

512
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.360
lost my whole family. Then it' s something that destroyed my life that

513
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:45.480
I can comment on right now that
for many years I didn' t even

514
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.760
comment on there is perhaps because of
that and because of the obsession I had

515
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.800
with life, after life, to
research in other cultures as well. Mostly,

516
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.159
I' m not a doctor,
I can' t do that.

517
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:59.239
That' s how I really convinced
myself that death doesn' t exist,

518
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.480
that is, death is nothing more
than a step in life. That'

519
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:06.199
s why I was commenting before that
we' re travelers from a multiverse.

520
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.760
It is very curious, because you
have told me several anecdotes about you in

521
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.199
your life, that you have lived
and that you have been pushed to make

522
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.639
this book that I have here in
my hand transmigration. The fifth tomb as

523
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.760
we would really be travelers of how. And, well, there are several

524
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:30.800
things, one of them also what
happened to you with that cab driver when

525
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:36.039
you lived in Barranquilla. All right, so how is the human being able

526
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:40.639
to anticipate death or how tragic there
are studies of when modern parapsychology was born

527
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.239
with j Berring in the year the
thirties of the last century at Duke University

528
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:51.480
in the United States, where it
was commented, because he did a lot

529
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.239
of research on what was the possibility
of telepathy and precognition to anticipate what was

530
00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:06.000
going to happen. Seconds later,
it' s the experiments that j Ring

531
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.119
develops and even if science looks the
other way and you don' t want

532
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:14.320
to know any of this, with
the support of Alberasting himself, I think

533
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:23.400
it wasn' t any scientist nor
do I think it wasn' t any

534
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.760
scientist. Human beings and, above
all, women, more than men,

535
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:35.480
in principle, have more capacity for
precognition than we men. For the following

536
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:40.119
reason, because for three hundred thousand
years the human being, if we go

537
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.719
to the genus homo, for four
million years, when we lived in a

538
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:51.800
cave and had to leave the cave, and if you were able to anticipate

539
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:58.079
the danger, they had more ability
to survive. If for a long millennium

540
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:05.239
people who had that capacity survived genetically. We have an inheritance that gives us

541
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.760
that capacity, that of precognition.
And why do women have more than simple

542
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:14.119
men, because women until practically a
century ago, because the poor, since

543
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.800
they were sixteen or seventeen years old, began to have children and had one

544
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:21.639
child after another, after another,
after others, and obviously had no physical

545
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:27.599
with which to defend themselves from an
external threat. While the men were from

546
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:31.320
war to war giving us zucchini and
doing the brute. And then men say

547
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:37.960
we had more ability to protect ourselves
than women. So always, the topic

548
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:44.639
that women were more witches than we
would have a part of a certain science,

549
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.960
true forgiveness and protected by science.
So, all those things that tell

550
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.400
me and that I don' t
know why humans kind of put on a

551
00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:02.039
barrier and we say no that this
can' t be the scientific mind and

552
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:07.599
what they call scientific thought, has
made us so empirical that we' ve

553
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:13.159
forgotten the ability we have to transcend, which seems to me to be a

554
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.679
wonderful thing. Alejandro Bernal, I
think he wanted to comment on something good.

555
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.400
Several things. Juan G here fascinated
by the experience that told them to

556
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.840
the master Marco Robello also with your
experience of regression on what you said about

557
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:29.159
women. It is also an important
factor for the development of these psychic or

558
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.920
precognition abilities. It has to do
with that, biologically, a woman or

559
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.000
a mother, in this case,
having contact with a baby, has to

560
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:42.400
try to interpret the sounds, noises
and gestures that make a being that cannot

561
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.800
communicate and that cannot ask for things. This has meant that for millions of

562
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:52.239
years women have developed this ability to
learn to interpret these signs and even sometimes

563
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:58.440
anticipate themselves in the direct case of
their mother- child relationship. That would

564
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:02.000
make them more telepathic than we do. That' s funny, but anyway,

565
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:07.559
in j Berring' s experiments,
which were based on telepathies and precognition,

566
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:14.320
that the most absurd result that was
telepathy with the famous Zenners and Medio

567
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.079
cards, which is a second I
explain it, because he had an assistant

568
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:22.360
who was called Zner. So it' s a little card that was a

569
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.360
star, a wave, a square
or a circle. There were five symbols

570
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:29.360
for five twenty- five cards.
So, of course, if I'

571
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:34.480
m going to write to you,
either of us five times, or one

572
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.159
hundred and twenty- five runs per
statistic, you have to accept twenty-

573
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:39.920
two, thirty, and that'
s math. If someone is right,

574
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:46.320
fifty or eighty that, what mathematically
proves is that something abnormal is happening,

575
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.920
even if they don' t understand
it, don' t understand the human

576
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:52.880
mechanism in the brain that does that. The most absurd result was not a

577
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.320
woman, it was of a man, It was of a student, specifically

578
00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:00.800
of theology. It is more about
the student of this theology there is something

579
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:05.360
so absurd. The results that remained
were once he sent him to another building.

580
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.440
You already said not only the person
in front, because I know the

581
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.920
guy doesn' t cheat, he
can' t cheat, but come on

582
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.960
I' m sending him to another
building inside Duke' s University. The

583
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:23.559
results of that experiment at the mathematical
level were like zero comma I don'

584
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.719
t know how much to zero and
then at the end one that would give

585
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.119
a chance that would have happened.
And this guy wasn' t a witch,

586
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:36.000
he didn' t edit him,
he didn' t have any interest

587
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.320
in esotericism or anything, and then
he didn' t do anything in his

588
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.119
life, I mean, just his
brain. For whatever it is, it

589
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:46.639
gave you an absurd telepathic communication capability
and that was an over- scientific experiment.

590
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:51.800
I have it here and I have
a scientific article from here in my

591
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.679
archive of that experiment, I mean, and that' s kind of absurd,

592
00:49:55.039 --> 00:50:00.239
but that something so heavy that impacted
the very one, to the clear

593
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.119
roar that I support them when people
started criticizing him. Albe Einstein did the

594
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:06.760
foreword of a book by a journalist
friend of his, he added to the

595
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.800
radio by supporting j r experiments by
saying science cannot be closed to this that

596
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:14.599
we do not understand what is going
on. It doesn' t mean it

597
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:16.760
doesn' t get clear exactly.
Exactly Juan Gey and within the scientists who

598
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:22.960
have investigated precisely this phenomenon of anticipating
events that are going to occur. Psychiatrist

599
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:30.400
John Barker had the opportunity to juang
collect a series of testimonies from infants who

600
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:37.000
died in a tragedy that occurred in
Wales in nineteen hundred and sixty- six,

601
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:42.360
something known as Aubert Fan Averfan'
s Great Accident was a mining town

602
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:49.360
in this part of Britain. Juange
and it turns out that in October of

603
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:54.559
one thousand nine hundred and sixty-
six there was an accident where half a

604
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:59.719
thousand tons of coal buried an area
of the town, an area where at

605
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.360
that time children were being transported to
school and the psychiatrist a Barker, Juan

606
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:08.840
ge Marco and Listeners, collected a
fascinating testimony from Eril May Jones' s

607
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:13.719
mother. Erim May Jones was a
nine- year- old girl who on

608
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:19.719
the day of the tragedy had told
her mother that she had dreamed that something

609
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:23.480
black had fallen on her. The
mother did not pay much attention to her,

610
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:28.840
sent her to school without any problems, and the girl was one of

611
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:32.760
the victims who died in this accident. Another testimony he could collect in this

612
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:37.039
case, John Barker had to do
with one of Paul Davis' parents.

613
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:42.880
Paul Davis was also an infant in
this case of eight years, a year

614
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:47.880
younger than this other girl who also
perished, and Paul Davis days before this

615
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:53.519
accident, where this infant lost his
life had drawn some figures, digging a

616
00:51:54.119 --> 00:52:01.639
hillside, excavating something that had been
produced in this case by an accident an

617
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:08.480
infant who had anticipated the event with
which he and other infants perished, a

618
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:15.320
fact documented in Wales last century is
not very documented. One hundred and twenty

619
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:21.840
- one deceased, one hundred and
sixteen of them were children. And indeed,

620
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:27.320
this doctor you' re talking about, impacted on the testimonies of this

621
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:32.039
child who said how something dark imprisoned
them. And indeed, the coal scum

622
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:37.639
that was that moved, buried,
buried much of the school and there is

623
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:42.920
the one who died, I repeat, one hundred and sixteen children, plus

624
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:49.440
five teachers. Then experiments were attempted
in Britain. For this and others that

625
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:55.519
were not left in anything about precondition. But there' s something look now

626
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.679
that we' re talking about this
kind of thing. So how can we

627
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:04.159
get to tell the catastrophe at the
end of the story of Abert Fant,

628
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:08.280
Juan Ge And some surprising of this
is that the society for psychic research in

629
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:15.039
Britain as soon as these researches were
documented by these scientists who realized that children

630
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:22.920
had seen, had anticipated their own
death received substantial funding from the British Government

631
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:28.840
to investigate further what had happened,
why there were people like these infants,

632
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.519
for example, this girl who had
seen that some black had fallen on her

633
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:36.840
and besides, Juan Gen did not
reach a specific conclusion, but did draw

634
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:43.559
their attention to a let' s
say pre- eliminate report within the research

635
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.480
that Juan ge did and is that, on the one hand, this type

636
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:52.599
of people who used to anticipate such
events, in a large percentage were infants

637
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:59.480
who perhaps did not have much cultural
pollution and women. Again, as if

638
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:02.599
women are in that capacity to be
sweet it is developed that we are if

639
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:06.880
children. I believe that what this
mania of the rational empirical mind and such

640
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:13.880
a story restricts that ability that we
have to brush with our fingers the supernatural

641
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:19.559
That' s what I think happens. That' s why children, because

642
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:23.199
they have that kind of abilities and
how many children play with invisible friends,

643
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:27.639
stories and pods and it seems to
me like a story as very curious now.

644
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.360
Imagine Aberfan' s parents who thought
that what their children told them was

645
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:36.679
foolishness or a weight from her or
a child' s play, and then,

646
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:39.760
collecting corpses, that is, my
mother, must be a real torment.

647
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.559
But, I do believe that we
have that capacity of precognition to anticipate

648
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:54.519
the future that is usually always linked
to tragic events when something tragic is going

649
00:54:54.559 --> 00:55:00.239
to happen, because it is nothing
more than a mechanism for defending nature.

650
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:05.960
Sure. That also makes women ill, as Duke' s parapsychologist, J

651
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:12.559
Berrin, said, because women in
ancient times had to have children who were

652
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:16.880
twelve, thirteen years old and died
at thirty years old and without stopping.

653
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:22.840
You were having children and had less
defensive capacity between external elements than a man.

654
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:34.239
Then you also have wisdom in that
regard. And here we follow in

655
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:39.719
mystery night your questions and comments through
the new snail mystery. We were telling

656
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:47.239
you how the precognition shown at Aberfan
in Wales also tells us how children can

657
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:53.440
have a subtle connection with that.
Beyond going out with Marco Roballo and the

658
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:59.599
interview with him continues ah yes,
a long time ago with a good friend

659
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:04.840
of mine. He' s an
engineer, although he does do other things

660
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.320
today and so he' s been
investigating one thing. I don' t

661
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.719
know if you know this. Marco
Roballo, we' re stealing your lead,

662
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:15.880
but I gave you a break,
okay, and I' m listening

663
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:17.679
to you like Grandpa Onion. While
Alejandro was speaking, this came. This

664
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:22.000
came to mind thanks to a friend
David Zurdo is called his novels are translated

665
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:27.239
into twelve languages, since the Lord
wrote it. He' s not bad

666
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:30.239
at it like he' s my
brother or no friend I don' t

667
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:35.400
know if I hear this. Then
he became obsessed with a project that was

668
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.559
the global consciousness project, the global
consciousness project that brings him out at an

669
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:44.079
American university. I remember right now, right now you can find me the

670
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:47.719
data Alejandro, American University takes out
the global awareness project that basically the global

671
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:54.920
consciousness project was based on the following
distribute a series of computers by the planet

672
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:59.719
University of Preston, Juan Que from
Princeton Vale University, Priston University and scientific

673
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:07.760
path that developed the Alejandro project.
Thanks well, because it was computer delivery

674
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.039
all over the world, that you
don' t even need to distribute it

675
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.360
today, as everything is connected online, because you tell me you have a

676
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:19.039
computer and for x hours a day
you will work on this global awareness project

677
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.719
that was the following. It was
just computers. If I throw at random

678
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:28.440
zero and one, they have to
give after twenty- four hours fifty percent

679
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:32.199
of zero and fifty percent of one
without more. It was like throwing coins

680
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:36.280
on the air. Then it has
to come out fifty percent face and fifty

681
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.320
percent crosses. He has no more
science. This is for pure statistics.

682
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:44.800
Well, at this university, an
experiment at Priston University, they realized that

683
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:52.679
when there was a global event that
impacted humanity, the machine, twenty-

684
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:58.280
four hours before they chose either the
zeros or the ones in an absurd way,

685
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:06.079
breaking any statistical topic. Of course, he faced Princeton University in all

686
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.719
this research and we didn' t
know where the planet was going to happen

687
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:15.480
or what was going to happen.
But, for example, when the September

688
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.119
11 of the year two thousand one, the machine the day before went crazy.

689
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:25.960
And that' s super- verified
by Pristol University You were going to

690
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:30.920
tell something. Alejandro and I play
that the teacher who carried out this initiative

691
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.920
was Robert Jean, professor at Princeton
School of Engineering, and this experiment began

692
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:39.000
to be carried out since a thousand
nine hundred and ninety- eight. Yeah,

693
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:43.280
yeah, sure, and that'
s why the boom was when the

694
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:45.480
Twin Towers thing, the Twin Towers
thing, the machines the day before went

695
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:51.199
crazy. But that did not have
to be an event in which many people

696
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:54.000
died, for example, if the
Pope was going to die, the machines

697
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:58.760
did the same thing, why,
because it impacted a lot of people who

698
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.039
are Catholic. That was just a
crazy thing to do. But for you

699
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:07.800
to see that kind of how I
would say it from the soul of the

700
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:13.480
planet that from time to time gives
us notice and that we don' t

701
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:14.719
understand are able to detect it to
the machine. Marco Roballo. Please,

702
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:16.800
your opinion of all the things that
Alexander and I have told here in Plan

703
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:22.159
Grandfather Ceboyata. Not, therefore,
fascinate that what you say and if it

704
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:27.960
is not only statistical data, but
it is real things, it is things

705
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:32.119
that have happened, that are documented
and that, because we must all pay

706
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:38.280
attention to them, because perhaps many
times things happen and we have it more

707
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:42.840
as a coincidence than as a causality. And perhaps if we pay attention to

708
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.639
it, we can understand a little
more what is the foundation that has us

709
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:52.280
here in life. Suddenly, within
the things that I can tell you,

710
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:59.199
Look at talking about the subject of
death, which is so repetitive in our

711
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:02.679
life, on the part of our
life. My father was a person who

712
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:06.760
was very afraid of death. My
father left five years ago, very great

713
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:13.360
friends, I was writing by that
time the Man' s Book in the

714
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:17.239
mirror, and I was doing it
so that I could understand what that portage

715
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:20.320
is that carries it just like you. As we were saying, Jesus,

716
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.159
I don' t think death exists. I think it' s more of

717
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.960
a birth. For me it is
not death, but birth what happens to

718
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:32.119
me in the form of form.
When I see things, I do or

719
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:38.159
think that we are like the butterfly
before becoming a butterfly. We are that

720
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:44.639
obillo, we are that part that
is in the process of development and evolution.

721
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:50.079
And just when she' s already
the butterfly, when she can extend

722
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.880
her rooms and when she flies out, when she actually has life. Of

723
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:57.079
course, there' s something like
a preparation for that to happen. I

724
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.280
believe that we too are in that
kind of preparation here. We' re

725
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:04.960
getting ready for something big, but
to get there, we have to go

726
01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:07.519
through a lot of stadiums. I
think that' s what we' re

727
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:12.719
doing. Then I founded and I
the Man' s Book in the mirror

728
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:16.719
and I shared it with my father
and from that moment when he read that

729
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:22.639
book, he was fascinated to the
point that he was taking some pills because

730
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:25.760
he had a heart condition. After
he read the book, he served himself

731
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:30.519
in such peace that he suspended the
pills and suspended all that. And my

732
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:32.880
dad' s gone, he'
s gone that way,' cause he

733
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:35.840
already felt the peace of mind.
He had like those fears that are suddenly

734
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:42.519
ill- founded. There is a
topic I don' t know if you

735
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:45.480
and you Alexander know it well,
which is the photographic effect of Killian,

736
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:52.079
which is a doctor who was doing
some experiments and when they took pictures of

737
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:55.400
a person who was on the verge
of death, they realized that there was

738
01:01:55.400 --> 01:02:00.000
like an ectoplasm, that there was
a form of fair, that the body

739
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:04.480
was detached and that the last part
that traveled was the part of the stomach.

740
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:08.079
I was very interested in that because
I wanted to know what' s

741
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:10.920
really going on with that, what' s going on in those hospitals,

742
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.000
where there are so many paranormal effects
that you don' t understand what'

743
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.760
s going on there. I started
to investigate all that and started to create

744
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:28.159
a kind of story around that the
story of two people who know each other,

745
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:32.039
who love each other a lot,
but there is always a way of

746
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:38.360
man- manipulation towards women. And
when he suddenly wants to do something,

747
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:42.119
it' s too late because they' ve already had an accident. The

748
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.960
lady who gives in a coma and
only gives her a term of approximately seventy

749
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:50.639
- two hours of life and there
she made a career from him to try

750
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:53.719
to seek forgiveness. But when he
sees that comatose state, there' s

751
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:57.440
no way to tell him to forgive
him, whether he' s listening to

752
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:02.599
it or not. Then a series
of bioethical situations begin to arise in the

753
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:08.280
sense of how far man is allowed
to manipulate the human condition. He starts

754
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:12.599
looking at what he can do,
think about suicide, about assisted suicide.

755
01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:15.920
You get a thousand things going on
in your head, but you don'

756
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:21.039
t find a solution to how to
be with your wife and tell her to

757
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.880
forgive me for everything I did and
where she finds a doctor of these doctors

758
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:28.639
who are half- crazy, who
has died a son and he always dreams

759
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:31.000
of that son, and this son
introduces himself to him and he tells him

760
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:35.360
calmly, don' t worry about
me and that I' m in a

761
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.320
better place, but don' t
worry. I' m fine and he

762
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:40.480
' s always with that question,
because he doesn' t know if it

763
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.960
' s actually a manifestation of that
son or it' s a dream he

764
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:46.119
has and it' s something he
wants to see. So, when this

765
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:50.760
person comes in and says hey,
I want him to take my life.

766
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.960
He finds an opportunity to find out
what' s beyond, but then he

767
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:58.000
tells him to look. I'
m not a murderer, I' m

768
01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:00.960
not going to take your life,
but I' m going to do something

769
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.159
to you, I' m going
to cause you to die, but I

770
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:08.119
' m going to give you four
and a half minutes for you to come

771
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:11.159
back at what time caused you to
die, the very moment he dies on

772
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.440
the wife, so that he believes
that if you put him on the same

773
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:17.760
plane that they die at the same
time and cause him to die, they

774
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:23.320
can find a situation where he can
talk to his wife and tell her everything

775
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:25.719
he wants to say to her four
and a half minutes and bring him back

776
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.159
through the electrical issue. But the
only thing he asks of you is not

777
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:30.360
going to charge him anything. Only
hospital services, but when he comes back,

778
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:34.559
he' ll say ok, what
happens. If there is anything,

779
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:40.000
if it is scientifically proven that there
is this, he prepares it, everything

780
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:42.639
happens. Mrs Castile almost died that
she had to kill both of them.

781
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:47.199
When the lady finally falls in these
last few minutes, he' s got

782
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:53.039
everything ready, causes her death and
they go there. That' s the

783
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:56.320
first part of the book where he
tells him everything he' s doing to

784
01:04:56.360 --> 01:05:01.519
make that death happen. When it
happens, there is a second part,

785
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.239
that the second part of the book
in which you already take it. The

786
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:08.719
omniscient is no longer narrated in the
first person, but is not felt sees

787
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:13.599
everything that is happening there in that
world that is posed to us as a

788
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:19.960
very beautiful world, as an interesting
world, as a paradise world, where

789
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:23.920
he meets a lot of people,
finds his dad who has already died and

790
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:26.960
begin to explain to him what one
finds there, and his father, who

791
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:31.519
has already died, says look at
him. This is a place of light,

792
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.920
of transparency, of tranquility. Here' s a temple and he shows

793
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:39.199
you the temple on the other side
of a river he says, and that

794
01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:42.519
river for what it says. In
that river is where the soul is purified.

795
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.280
The person who enters upwards goes to
the other side and enters a kind

796
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:49.039
of good. What did you do
in life, what did not remain where

797
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:55.880
there are no questions of religion or
is equal to an atheist than a Christian

798
01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:58.639
who a Muslim is going to have
the same opportunity to pass there that,

799
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:01.519
then, we are all children of
God and in that order of all God

800
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:04.280
' s weeds. So be it, the son is more disobedient. God

801
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.159
will not treat him any more,
but, on the contrary, he will

802
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:11.039
try to see what he did to
improve him and he will tell him what

803
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:14.760
is going on. If I get
in that water, it says if they

804
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:17.519
put you in that water you'
re not coming back anymore, because that

805
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:19.519
water purifies and then it says ah
no here it is. I want to

806
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:23.920
stay here. I don' t
want to go back and get in that

807
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:27.639
water like trying to make that kind
of trap that you sometimes say no.

808
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:30.679
No. We' re not going
to say he got the Colombians that he

809
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:32.199
was American, but this güeyhizo.
Let' s do this thing here.

810
01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:36.440
I' m going to get in
can purify me here and he goes out

811
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:40.840
and grabs the one who' s
his wife with the quiet hand that he

812
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:43.440
doesn' t know anymore. There
comes a clumsy gino and the whirlwind starts

813
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:45.840
talking about it and he says no, but they can' t take him,

814
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:47.199
because I and there yes, I
already got in the water and they

815
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.519
can' t take me. And
that' s where it ends when the

816
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:55.119
doctor lines up to the body and
this body appears, this gentleman over there,

817
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.840
when they' re giving him the
electric shocks, reliving it because he

818
01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:01.679
spent the four minutes and he'
s in the middle here, but it

819
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:02.599
' s been a long time since
he had all this experience. And there

820
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:06.679
ends the second part of the book
narrated by the omniscient. It' s

821
01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:09.800
not going to spoil you, because
if not, then people say no.

822
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.119
Please, I' ll leave you
no, I' ll leave you with

823
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:18.159
a mouth opener When the person returns
there, the man is lying on the

824
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:23.119
bed, on the stretcher, opens
his eyes and says what happened. Then

825
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:27.320
you remember the accident, you remember
everything. Look outside, he wakes up

826
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.199
and the person is naked. She' s completely naked. When he'

827
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:34.719
s going to get up, because
he' s completely clueless, this person

828
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:39.280
doesn' t know what happened.
He comes in and touches his chest and

829
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:45.280
feels like weird, he says it
happened and when he lowers his hand more

830
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:48.480
and touches his people and such he
gets scared a lot more because he says

831
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.840
it' s not me. It
turns out that it wasn' t him

832
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:57.039
who returned to the body, but
she was and is occupying there and that

833
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:00.880
' s where everything that' s
going to really start with this girl so

834
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:04.559
she can find out what happened,
why she' s a body there,

835
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:06.599
because now she' s seeing a
role from him. Yeah, well,

836
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:14.360
all that Lope man is. I
think that for those of you who make

837
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.920
fiction these kinds of issues are wonderful. They are wonderful because they are facts

838
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:23.319
that make us redraw the limits of
reality and that make us open the.

839
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:28.479
Mind, I, while I was
talking, was remembering, for example,

840
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.760
an anecdote that I have. I
don' t think I know if he

841
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:33.840
' s ever gonna count here or
not. As I' m already every

842
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:43.239
way more grandparents onions and is that
we have a podcast that has seven million

843
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:45.720
of two hundred thousand reproductions. I
think it' s podcast, well,

844
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:46.560
I think it' s podcast.
It' s not the podcast. More

845
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:50.840
would you listen to the story of
Caracol with much difference, what is it

846
01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:56.520
about life after life, and then
that podcast that I was interviewing Esteban Cruz?

847
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.359
I think you know him, Marco. Yeah, I was interviewing this

848
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:01.600
van crub his book that he does
right after life that I' m the

849
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:06.960
book' s prologodist. I am
interviewing Esteban Cruz and we give testimony from

850
01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:13.479
the former president of Samper and Navarro
Wolf, who is another Colombian politician.

851
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:19.439
And speaking of this, the case
arose in a case of Javier Banega,

852
01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:25.760
the Lazaro of Corabastos. And it' s funny because a few days ago

853
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.920
I collaborated with History Channel, so
they call me History channel hears. We

854
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:32.720
' re looking for this gentleman,
who turns out, apparently, the guy

855
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:36.760
is the person who' s been
clinically dead the longest fifty- two minutes.

856
01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:42.720
He' s got a knife in
his heart in Corabasto. This gentleman,

857
01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:46.439
because he was a person who had
problems with substances and so and that

858
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:53.720
he was good, waste picker,
that he was not a waste picker and

859
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:57.000
good call me from History Channel.
They ask me that I say to see

860
01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.000
you these bollocks, which means that
Bogotá has nine million and a peak of

861
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.880
people. How am I going to
meet this guy or such not total stupidity

862
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:08.600
I said no. I cannot collaborate
with that, because not and in the

863
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:13.479
program, because I have the book
of Esteban in hand and I tell you

864
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:18.079
hear, by the way, this
case of Javier Manega not incredible this story.

865
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:26.039
Such I' ve even reached out
to the doctor who did the surgery

866
01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:30.000
and I don' t know what. And Takataito while he was as he

867
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.000
was when the pandemic, while this
was going on, because I was home

868
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:35.640
with the microphone doing the live snail
program. Then I can think of it.

869
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:42.199
I didn' t put it on
Google. Javier Banega Lázaro decorated this

870
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:44.560
and when the photo appears to me, I have. Man, if that

871
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:46.760
guy was with, I tell that
guy I borrowed my dog to make my

872
01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:54.680
little dog, to make an announcement
for a drug help foundation that came out

873
01:10:54.760 --> 01:11:00.119
of the Vaine Night. And besides, when I loaned him the dog,

874
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.199
he told me I had an experience
and I didn' t pay him any

875
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:06.399
attention the dog sees that some friends, that this is no longer total.

876
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:13.920
Finish the program. Obviously, he
grabbed the phone. Called this producer friend

877
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:15.680
who is a well- known producer
in Colombia that as if he were my

878
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:23.000
brother, I tell him hear the
guy this of yours that if the woman

879
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:25.760
is the one who cleans house and
so of course I know where it is?

880
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:29.680
How are you? They passed me
the phone I called your History El.

881
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:33.720
They interviewed the History Chanel. I
did a podcast here on Caracol,

882
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:38.920
on Caracol Radio, with the story
of Javier Vanega. He was at my

883
01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:43.439
house, he invited him to eat
hamburger, I took him to a photograph

884
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:46.039
where he had been stabbed and I, when I was thinking this about the

885
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:49.720
program, also, I said well, because what is going to be impossible

886
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:55.199
is that I interview the doctor and
I say it and at two minutes the

887
01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:58.920
doctor writes me by twitter and tells
me it' s not that my wife

888
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:01.680
is super fan of your program.
So, when I want to regret seeing

889
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:08.720
that when things like this happen to
you, that they are coincidences or causalities,

890
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:13.399
it is true when things like this
happen to you, because I am

891
01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:16.159
a human being besides a journalist and
here in Caracol, because I can tell

892
01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:16.680
the things that come out of my
soul or what has happened to me.

893
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:23.560
When things like that happen and then
no one, neither in Caracol nor we

894
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:28.000
thought that podcast could reach what reached
more than seven million people, if it

895
01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:33.359
didn' t say barbarity that it
was the most heard podcast on this radio

896
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:38.560
station. There are moments and you
can think that I am crazy, insults

897
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:42.479
in Juange Vallejo. You know it' s no problem. I understand it

898
01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:45.560
' s like the hereafter makes you
a wink and tells you listen look at

899
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:51.479
people that this is true, that
it' s not chance, that we

900
01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:55.359
' re really travelers from a multiverse. And it' s funny, that

901
01:12:55.439 --> 01:13:00.680
' s why the messages people from
beyond have. As you commented that this

902
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:04.439
book of which I was commenting is
about this, but when I locate Javier

903
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:10.600
Manega comes home the interviews History channel
interview I invite him to eat and such

904
01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.520
and he tells me good, because
he had a vision of heaven of hell.

905
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:20.039
Tal. But this gentleman eye who
is a man of very, very,

906
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:27.159
very scarce resource, after returning from
the afterlife came so impacted with his

907
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:33.399
experience that he left the drugs,
and living in Ciudad de Bolívar and living

908
01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:38.520
with some resources, I repeat,
very limited, because he is a waste

909
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:43.359
picker. He has set up a
small workshop there to remove from the bazooka

910
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:45.720
the people who in his neighborhood fell
into what he fell. And that'

911
01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:51.199
s a truth, like a cathedral, that this is chance or no chance

912
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:56.960
or the transcendent exists for me yes
now, Javier Banegas, you can go

913
01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:02.479
see him in Ciudad Bolívar is well
has that workshop where he helps the people

914
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:05.560
of his neighborhood to get out of
the bazooka. His wife' s name

915
01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:10.439
is Isolina, he' s still
working, because he' s a friend

916
01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:12.880
of mine and this story is real. Why this happens, because if I

917
01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:15.279
started to analyze mathematically the possibilities that
a citizenship of millions typical of inhabitants,

918
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:20.039
it turns out that the guy who
was looking for histori channel Esteban crud and

919
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:25.800
even the milk would have known it
by chance and above all that it is

920
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:29.399
that this friend of mine, his
wife works in his house. I mean,

921
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.000
I don' t explain, okay, yeah, it' s crazy,

922
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:35.039
I don' t ask anymore.
Yes, yes, Alejandro Bernal wanted

923
01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:41.880
to tell something Juan that about this
shocking case Javier Manegas, also what the

924
01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:46.239
master Marco Roballo told us about his
work that comes to me in the environment.

925
01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:50.920
Two cases. The first is Catherine' s. Catherine was a woman

926
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:57.600
who worked next to Dr Brian Wayse
this man who made this issue of hepnotic

927
01:14:57.640 --> 01:15:01.279
regressions so popular. Brian Ward'
s name, who graduated from Columbia University

928
01:15:01.319 --> 01:15:05.039
in New York, was also from
Yale University and was closely linked to a

929
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:10.199
hospital in Miami, Beachell, that
of mount Sinai, and it turns out

930
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:15.239
that Katherine was one of his companions
in this hospital and she had an irrational

931
01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:20.680
fear of water. Imagine Juan g
being afraid of water in Miami or it

932
01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:28.279
' s complicated enough for her.
This mother is a little fucked up about

933
01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:34.039
Katherine and it turns out that Dr
Brian Wise decided to make an inotic regression.

934
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:41.000
Well several sessions to try to determine
the cause of that irrational fear in

935
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:45.880
fact. While leading these sessions,
Wise came to think that he would perhaps

936
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:51.880
come to some very repressed memory of
childhood that would explain why Catherine had such

937
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:57.399
a strong fear of water and what
John ge Marco and listeners found was fascinating.

938
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:03.520
This woman first- hand wrote to
him a fact that happened hundreds of

939
01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:10.479
years ago, where this woman was
seen in the middle of a flood,

940
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:15.840
she was drowning, she also saw
her children drowning and she told it in

941
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:20.720
such a vivid and real way that
Brian Wise, after this session and several,

942
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:26.920
was able to determine that Katherine,
one of the most important patients in

943
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:30.399
her research, came to have eighty- eight previous lives. I mean,

944
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:38.840
imagine that that impressive figure and it
also came to determine that the root that

945
01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:43.159
this woman had this irrational fear of
water for had been one of those deaths

946
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:47.479
of a past life related to this
case with advocacy, a woman who passed

947
01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:56.199
away and thus perished a research led
by Dr Brian Wisong. Yes, indeed,

948
01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:59.960
I do believe that there is a
beyond that I do not understand,

949
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:05.119
that I do not understand, but
notice that fascinating not the story that you

950
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:12.720
have just narrated, that there are
traumas of previous lives and that they pursue

951
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.560
you at this moment, which is
the same thing that Horacio Ruiz, the

952
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:19.760
hypnotherapist who made me regression and that
I don' t know, I don

953
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:20.560
' t know if it is possible
or not. Well, I do think

954
01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:24.439
it' s possible, I mean, it' s that crazy of you

955
01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:28.279
what do you think of the can
What happens Juan Ge is that I believe

956
01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:31.800
and this takes me into the investigations
that Dr Ion Stevenson did, who we

957
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:36.079
' ll talk about later, if
time allows us, who is probably also

958
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:41.359
talking about fear. The doctor who
most investigated this game played that one of

959
01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:46.399
the inescapable symptoms that a person,
because he not only had those memories of

960
01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:56.520
past lives, was to demonstrate characteristic
skills, but above all irrational fears related

961
01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:59.800
to a previous loss, such as
that of this woman who worked with Brian

962
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:03.600
Whise Cathering and that' s why
he set the example very well and tried

963
01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:08.680
to contextualize not only Marcos, but
the listeners. Juange, imagine having an

964
01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:12.840
irrational fear of water in Miami,
being from Miami, if being your whole

965
01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:17.159
life living there and this woman really
what Brian Vice said is that simply by

966
01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:20.960
approaching the beach edge the woman would
go into auric panic and panic and rational.

967
01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:26.079
I didn' t want to be
there. When she submits her to

968
01:18:26.119 --> 01:18:30.600
the process of hypnotic regressions, Juange
discovers that this woman told her in various

969
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:35.279
sessions up to more than eighty-
eight, different experiences, very lived.

970
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:41.159
In fact, the experience that told
Vice and that reminds me of what you

971
01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:47.079
lived juange because this woman literally described
smells and described flavors, had to do

972
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:54.359
with a death that she had had
in medieval times. She said that images

973
01:18:54.840 --> 01:19:00.000
had been seen of being surrounded by
water and of having the anguish of health

974
01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:02.479
bar to several of her children,
because she knew that the water would take

975
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:08.399
them and she vividly remembered that fear
for protecting her children and knowing that,

976
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:12.239
not knowing how to swim at any
time, because that was going to be,

977
01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:16.039
that was going to be her death. And Catherine described to Brian vice

978
01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:21.439
not only the smell of water,
but the smell of so in this case

979
01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:26.439
the constructions where she lived. It
seems that it had been a very large

980
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:29.920
flood that had taken to the village
where she was and wrote it very vividly

981
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:33.520
the smell of how it was flooded
had PP gave it all this and the

982
01:19:33.640 --> 01:19:38.600
fear for her children. And what
Brian Wise was saying is that those kinds

983
01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:43.319
of sensations so real, more real
than even a dream like you described it,

984
01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:47.520
made him think it was clearly a
reliable account of this woman' s

985
01:19:47.560 --> 01:19:51.000
previous life. I did say the
professor didn' t do it. Stevenson

986
01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:58.319
was a biochemist, doctor, medicine, psychiatrist, and for forty years I

987
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:02.720
' ve been investigating reincarnation cases all
over the world. He investigated 3,

988
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:09.279
000 cases of an incarnation doctor,
three zero has published a lot of books

989
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:11.439
and, for example, came up
with some very curious conclusions. Then,

990
01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.520
if you want then, in the
next part, if it gives time,

991
01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:19.079
we discuss one of the cases that
investigated that memories of past lives come between

992
01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:24.720
the ages of two and four are
like the children' s first memories and

993
01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:30.800
disappear between the ages of seven and
eight. And also that even that he

994
01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:35.880
investigated forty cases of people who had
marks on the body that had to do

995
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:42.199
with their death in another life,
that is, for example, wrinkles here

996
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:46.800
on the neck, on the front
very marked, and you made a regression

997
01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:49.960
to the guy. The guy said
she had been killed or hanged, for

998
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:56.800
example. And things like that are
super curious this gentleman, who devoted his

999
01:20:56.920 --> 01:21:01.880
whole life to investigating cases of reincarnation, exactly June corretes him relationship between congenital

1000
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:05.840
malformations and the death of a person
in a previous life that, by the

1001
01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:11.399
way, was information that there is
Er Steven sone glutino in his work twenty

1002
01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:15.520
cases that make think of reincarnation,
that was public in one thousand nine hundred

1003
01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:19.199
sixty- six and that we could
say that he put to public opinion this

1004
01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:21.319
casuistic and this great mystery. Yes, indeed, I have a research design

1005
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:27.279
that we will then continue to talk
about a little more and report some of

1006
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:40.159
their cases. And here we continue
in mystery night, today diving in that

1007
01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:45.199
hereafter that opens to us once we
leave this world interviewing Marco Roballa and his

1008
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:50.079
interview continues like this. And it
is curious, then, especially the issue

1009
01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:54.640
of reincarnation, not because there are
a lot of cases. For example,

1010
01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:58.560
even the world' s most famous
hatred is that of Santidevi, who is

1011
01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:01.319
the girl this of the day that
since she was born she begins to say

1012
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:08.479
that in another house she had been
and that she had another family And blah,

1013
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:11.840
blah, blah. And then,
then, when they send a letter

1014
01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:15.920
to this other family, the stir
that is mounted in India. It is

1015
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:21.560
such that Mahamma Gandhi Shanti Devi himself
has to intervene. Well, maybe he

1016
01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:28.159
could come to say, imagine things, but what could not be known anti

1017
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:31.239
- devil when he came to his
old family' s house was the hiding

1018
01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:35.000
place where they had the money and
said the money is there, for example,

1019
01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:43.359
okay then that story is fascinating,
I repeat, even Maha magand himself

1020
01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:47.399
intervened perhaps also because in Hinduism the
subject of reincarnation is true. I'

1021
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:51.239
m so open- minded that I
think we can reincarnate in the future or

1022
01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:56.359
go to the past, that is, both. In this multiverse in which

1023
01:22:56.439 --> 01:23:00.439
we live and where we talk about
mirror universes and so on, I don

1024
01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:03.680
' t know if we' re
going forward back or sideways, but let

1025
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:06.239
' s have my mind completely open
in that sense. I don' t

1026
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:12.000
know what you think of this,
Marco Roballo, no yes, there are

1027
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:15.520
so many things that are beginning to
discover us there. I think today a

1028
01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:18.920
whole universe. I believe that perhaps
at this moment we have only a small

1029
01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:23.399
percentage of knowledge of what life really
is, of what is around us,

1030
01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:29.319
of what is going to be human
and of so many things that perhaps I

1031
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:34.239
wish at some point you would give
us an answer, because I believe that

1032
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:39.520
man is eager for answers. If
we get to know something, we can

1033
01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:43.800
understand each other a little bit more. I think that would be a great

1034
01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:48.079
thing, but I don' t
know if we can suddenly travel to the

1035
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:53.760
past, if we can travel in
the future, if we illustrate it and

1036
01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:58.520
everything is true what is proposed,
because, because many times they are interpretations

1037
01:23:58.600 --> 01:24:00.199
that one wants to give to things. Let' s say about the big

1038
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:03.479
pandemic, this thing that happened to
us recently, that I think no one

1039
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:09.399
had contemplated it, no one had
anywhere near what happened. When I had

1040
01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:13.439
to give lectures, I had to
be with colleges. I tell people a

1041
01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:18.720
very important event was World War II. Who doesn' t know World War

1042
01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:24.640
II, but I think World War
II will become very opaque when we talk

1043
01:24:24.720 --> 01:24:28.439
about the pandemic that happened to us, because it surrounded everyone. It'

1044
01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:34.520
s the only big event that we' re just recovering from, that we

1045
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:39.439
still have something that' s latent, but I think that' s going

1046
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:43.399
to mark history and we' re
survivors of that big pandemic and something that

1047
01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:45.760
was superior to World War I and
World War II. I think it was

1048
01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:47.840
also necessary for us to accept a
lesson of humility to all of us.

1049
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:56.319
We thought that with this super mega
science of the 21st century, nothing like

1050
01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:59.359
that could happen to us and nothing
like that could affect us. And that

1051
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:05.000
and that those were things of the
past and they' re not things of

1052
01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:10.159
the past anymore because they' re
charging us the planet, they might happen

1053
01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:13.239
again. No. And that brings
us closer to what we' re talking

1054
01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:15.960
about right now on the show.
It brings us closer to death, to

1055
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:18.720
which death I, unfortunately, learned
and learned young, death can come to

1056
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:25.399
you tomorrow. Then living day by
day without being brainless. Of course,

1057
01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:30.039
but try to enjoy living day by
day and be happy with what you do

1058
01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:32.600
and seek happiness in simple things.
That' s what taught me what I

1059
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:38.319
lived with thirty- five years old, so yes, that' s something

1060
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:40.439
I' m very clear about.
Listen Alejandro Bernal that what he had a

1061
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:43.760
case out there that you know of
a boy who was a pilot in World

1062
01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:45.880
War II, Nazi boy. How
is history ok for me one of the

1063
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:51.239
most fascinating cases of reincarnation, which
was studied by Irene Stevenson, the professor

1064
01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:56.920
of the University of Virginia in the
seventies of the last century, and it

1065
01:25:57.039 --> 01:26:01.319
was a case that, as a
protagonist, Karl was a British child who

1066
01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:09.039
was born in England and that since
his birth had a series of peculiarities son

1067
01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:14.399
of a middle- class family in
Britain, working class, and Carl was

1068
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:19.319
born with a birthmark, his right
leg, something that when the child was

1069
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:25.560
born, the doctors who examined him
seemed somewhat strange to them. It wasn

1070
01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:30.000
' t a tare, it was
just a physical feature that this infant had.

1071
01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:33.840
Without further explanation and other detail,
John ge Marco and listeners is that

1072
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:40.319
Karl was born with very different physical
characteristics from those of his other brothers.

1073
01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:44.199
He had two older brothers. The
older brothers were white, dark- haired.

1074
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:47.479
Carl was born red pelli with clear
eyes. In fact, his parents

1075
01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:54.600
did not have such characteristics either.
From there this infant had particularities. But

1076
01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:59.399
this case began to take shape and
become quite strange. When Carl, when

1077
01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:04.439
he was two years old, when
he learned to speak, he came and

1078
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:11.119
related strange things. He talked and
almost wrote in detail about how he was

1079
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:16.840
flying a plane, a plane of
certain characteristics, when his father wanted to

1080
01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:21.640
investigate what the child was describing.
In fact, what he tells Stevenson about

1081
01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:25.079
the research that was done was that
at one point, Karl' s father

1082
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:28.880
carried a book in World War II, John Imagine, and this child,

1083
01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:32.600
just two years old, looked at
a plane of the Baffet light and accurately

1084
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:39.800
described the parts of the plane and
what each one of them worked for,

1085
01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:45.159
and said them perfect German, a
British child who had no German family or

1086
01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:50.479
any such parentage. Obviously, the
father I had hit like fucks, my

1087
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:53.479
two- year- old boy,
who now barely knew how to talk.

1088
01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:57.119
He' s going to point out
things to me in such detail from a

1089
01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:01.680
Baffe light plane, an absolutely impressive
thing. The boy learned to draw John

1090
01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:10.000
Ge drew swastikas, drew black eagles. When the mother saw this, in

1091
01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:13.800
fact, she came to think that
she was perhaps the father who had been

1092
01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:18.279
telling her accounts of World War II
soldiers or that some other family member was

1093
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:21.840
giving her information about it. It
was ruled out. Karl was a child

1094
01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:27.680
who practically did not go out to
play, who had only interaction with his

1095
01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:32.680
parents. And this became more incipient. It got bigger in the way Karl

1096
01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:40.680
entered school at the age of five. His parents and also the teachers and

1097
01:28:40.720 --> 01:28:46.600
classmates were amazed because Carl was talking
about Hitler, talking about rallies, talking

1098
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:55.760
about survivals, about uniforms, about
positions within the Bermac sotroras and of course

1099
01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:59.359
everyone was very surprised at how a
child spoke so accurately, so accurately about

1100
01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:03.079
this. But the most fascinating thing
about this case, John, is that

1101
01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:10.159
Carl Eddan was talking about Fritz,
who would have been his father, a

1102
01:29:10.239 --> 01:29:14.479
man who was a peasant, a
farmer in Germany at the beginning of the

1103
01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:16.880
20th century. How he had been
educated within the values of the family.

1104
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:24.000
He described family names, details of
their upbringing, very specific things. Clearly,

1105
01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:30.479
when family members learned about this,
they began to investigate this investigation at

1106
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:33.560
the time was published in the UK
by the magazine womens On, an important

1107
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:40.720
publication there in Britain and a historian
became interested in this case. He was

1108
01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:46.520
a man who, when he read
this story, decided to go and find

1109
01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:53.239
out in Germany if there was someone
who had these characteristics and had a profile

1110
01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:57.920
that looked like what he was telling
Cabedon, with an important and specific detail

1111
01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:00.119
that I do not want to omit. In this case. Karl' s

1112
01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:04.359
father had gone to the local library
Juange and learned that a plane from the

1113
01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:12.239
Baffe Light had been shot down by
an anti- aircraft battery in a nearby

1114
01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:17.359
town in Britain. Three bodies were
recovered from this plane, two of them

1115
01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:23.800
were buried in a mass grave and
one of the pilots on this aircraft was

1116
01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:31.000
identified as Heinrich Richtar was the pilot
driving the machine gun, in this case,

1117
01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:38.880
on this plane of Light Baffe.
When this historian found out about this

1118
01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:41.560
fact that the family had, he
went to look for the family, the

1119
01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:48.119
descendants of Hindrick Rischtad first to try
to corroborate data that Carln had given of

1120
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:53.239
this man, that he said he
had been Fritz' s father, of

1121
01:30:53.319 --> 01:30:59.479
details of his family. He also
wanted an image where Heinric Rich would be

1122
01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:04.239
seen to see if there would be
any physical resemblance to what Carl Edon was,

1123
01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:09.239
this British infant, because John Gesta
historian, was where the family,

1124
01:31:10.399 --> 01:31:14.119
there Germany, could talk to them. It collects all the data. Indeed,

1125
01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:15.920
there was a man named Fritz,
who was part of the family.

1126
01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:21.600
One of his sons, Handry Rishter, had been part of the Nazi air

1127
01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:27.239
force during World War II and got
a photo, a photo of Rishta before

1128
01:31:27.399 --> 01:31:34.119
enlisting the military forces, and the
resemblance was amazing. Rishta was red-

1129
01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:41.720
haired, had clear eyes and physically
looked a lot like Carl Eddon, this

1130
01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:45.119
British boy. When this historian provided
this image to the family, they were

1131
01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:50.439
absolutely shocked because they saw that the
physical resemblance was remarkable. No one else

1132
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:54.920
in the family had these physical traits. John ge and that is one of

1133
01:31:54.960 --> 01:32:00.359
the most shocking cases of reincarnation of
a British boy who was a German pilot.

1134
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:04.199
And the second thing is to repudiate
how well I didn' t know

1135
01:32:04.279 --> 01:32:09.439
that story seems magnificent to me and
until a historian gets into it and see

1136
01:32:09.520 --> 01:32:12.960
how reality changes when one looks at
what surrounds us with the eyes of a

1137
01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:17.520
child, with an open mind willing
to learn from a world that we still

1138
01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:23.239
discover. Marco Roballo, we'
re getting to the end of this interview.

1139
01:32:24.039 --> 01:32:29.760
Your opinion, your comments, your
closure. Why would you recommend this

1140
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:36.359
last book of yours? Well again
and haveho thank you very much, for

1141
01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:42.159
I consider that, as you mentioned
a moment ago, it should be open

1142
01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:46.159
minded to look, cry other horizons, because I believe that not accepting that

1143
01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:54.880
suddenly we are a little bit not
looking for all the scenarios that are presented

1144
01:32:54.920 --> 01:32:59.359
to us in their eyes. I
reiterate not everything we asked, by chance,

1145
01:32:59.960 --> 01:33:02.399
to say causalities. I think there' s an effect on everything we

1146
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:08.680
do, on every action we take. There' s a lot to explore.

1147
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:12.520
I think we' re just opening
our eyes in this universe. We

1148
01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:15.520
have much to know, then,
and not just read the Transmigration Book of

1149
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:18.159
Marco Rroyo, the man in the
mirror. I think there are many,

1150
01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:23.039
many things. You have to read
Esteban Cruse, you have to investigate,

1151
01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:27.039
you have to find people like the
one you mention to us, Ahorita,

1152
01:33:27.399 --> 01:33:30.159
because in them there is a lot
of knowledge. Suddenly many people might wonder.

1153
01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:34.079
But what can I learn or what
choice I can leave to myself a

1154
01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:40.800
recycling and realize everything he can close. There' s a great story,

1155
01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:44.680
there' s a great story behind
it, and that can help us grow

1156
01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:46.600
to understand a little bit more life, because, because I think no one

1157
01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:50.960
has the last word on this.
So, to all listeners a cordial greeting

1158
01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:58.800
of a big hug and, as
I always recommend, read Lean Lean Thank

1159
01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:01.560
you so much, Marco How can
not follow you on social networks and others

1160
01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:06.760
people in Marco Roballo, Marco te
Roballo, on Instagram, the same thing,

1161
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:13.920
on Facebook, Marco te Robo and
author and in any bookstore in the

1162
01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:16.960
country can find all the books of
my authorship. Thank you so much,

1163
01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:18.960
folks. I imagine that for tro
the listeners we have in the rest of

1164
01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:23.760
Latin America through Amazon, who checked
it out a second ago, they can

1165
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:29.640
also get your transmigration book, the
fifth tomb. Marco t Roballo, Thank

1166
01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:33.560
you so much for being part of
mystery night and we will meet on another

1167
01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:38.159
safe occasion to continue telling this kind
of stories from beyond. Of course,

1168
01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:42.119
thank you, and so was the
interview with writer Marco Roballo. And,

1169
01:34:42.199 --> 01:34:45.760
indeed, there are different researchers,
some of them, from the point of

1170
01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:50.479
view of science, who have investigated
reincarnation and the most common case worldwide is

1171
01:34:50.560 --> 01:34:59.960
the psychiatrist Dr Ian Stevenson, who
you can tell us about Alexander' s

1172
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:04.920
shocking who was able to document Dr
Ian Stevenson, a man who, as

1173
01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:10.760
you well mentioned more than three thousand
cases, two three thousand degrees, an

1174
01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:15.920
impressive best seller worldwide, the world' s greatest expert in the matter of

1175
01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:19.159
incarnation in much of the 20th century
and one of the most shocking cases has

1176
01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:27.039
to do with the twin chicken Juan, some British girls who would have been

1177
01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:31.680
the reincarnation of their older sisters who
had passed away years before their birth.

1178
01:35:32.079 --> 01:35:36.920
This case is amazing Juange and takes
us to the Pollo family, a middle

1179
01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:44.279
- class Christian family in Britain and
a large family. There were six children.

1180
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:47.920
Johanna was born in a thousand nine
hundred forty- six and her younger

1181
01:35:48.039 --> 01:35:51.359
sister Jackelen in fifty- one.
They were six years old, five years

1182
01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:58.279
old, and it turns out that
they used to share many activities together,

1183
01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:01.439
mainly going to church. It was
a very uena family and in a thousand

1184
01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:05.920
nine hundred and fifty- seven a
tragedy occurs. A car that was deliberately

1185
01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:13.560
driven by a woman who wanted to
kill herself runs over these girls as they

1186
01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:17.079
go to church. A tragedy that
marked that family a great deal. The

1187
01:36:17.199 --> 01:36:21.840
death of these infants was terrible.
Juange reitero. This happened in May of

1188
01:36:21.880 --> 01:36:28.000
a thousand nine hundred and fifty-
seven and in October of a thousand nine

1189
01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:30.399
hundred and fifty- eight. A
year and a half later, Florence,

1190
01:36:31.039 --> 01:36:36.760
the wife of this Pollok family,
becomes pregnant with her husband again and a

1191
01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:43.560
series of strange things begin to happen
here. This case is told by the

1192
01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:48.079
head of the Pollok family home that
he had had very strange dreams, where

1193
01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:54.760
he felt that in this case Johanna
and Jackellyn were going to return and they

1194
01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:58.840
are going to be back in this
world. The truth is that months later

1195
01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:03.840
Gillian and Jennifer, the two new
daughters of the Pollok family, were born.

1196
01:37:04.399 --> 01:37:12.399
Monozygous twins, i e identical twins. Juan ge And a series of

1197
01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:15.199
strange things begin to happen. According
to the Pollok family, both Gillian and

1198
01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:23.960
Jennifer begin to behave in a very
similar way to Johanna and Jackelyn. They

1199
01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:31.279
took her to various parts of Britain. They remembered the places, they remembered

1200
01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:34.000
people who, being so young,
didn' t have them. Why remember

1201
01:37:34.079 --> 01:37:40.680
this case. He knows Jan Stevenson. She is interviewed at the age of

1202
01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:45.680
four and the guy who has hallucinated
not only to see how the personalities of

1203
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:49.640
these girls were very similar to those
of their sisters, but in fact,

1204
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:55.600
corroborates these data, Juange that I
tell you about how they identified things and

1205
01:37:55.880 --> 01:38:00.800
another amazing detail. In this case, Gillian had a mark on her forehead

1206
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:04.720
that was the wound with which Sister
Jacklin, the older sister, had been

1207
01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:12.119
run over by the car, and
the other sister, Juange, had a

1208
01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:16.399
mark on her hip, also the
same mark with which she left this car

1209
01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:21.399
when one of these infants was run
over. Of course, Ian Stevenson,

1210
01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:29.239
when he knew these data and these
similarities, and this way let' s

1211
01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:31.840
say so truthfully that the girls not
only had these marks, but remembered these

1212
01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:36.039
details. For him. It is
one of the most hallucinating cases of reincarnation

1213
01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:42.319
documented in the 20th century. Juange
met with them later when they were seventeen

1214
01:38:42.399 --> 01:38:46.279
years old, to verify. Without
effect, these details and memories were maintained

1215
01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:50.760
despite the time and, in fact, John said that relatives who had a

1216
01:38:50.880 --> 01:38:56.479
personality kept her very similar to his
sisters who had died tragically years earlier.

1217
01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:01.960
Not the story so mind- blowing. Actually the cases investigated by this gentleman

1218
01:39:03.199 --> 01:39:09.760
and Ann Stevenson are brutal and even
though he compiled twenty in a book that

1219
01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:13.199
was a Beth Selle Eritar, there
were actually hundreds of them. There is

1220
01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:18.600
another story, for example, about
Ryan Hammons, which is brutal. And

1221
01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:24.600
this is the same, as a
child who was born in the United States

1222
01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:30.960
and had something very curious about him
when he was four years old, one

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day he told his mother that he
was someone else. The mother is shocked

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by this story and then, when
the child, one day on TV,

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sees a Hollywood sign, says that
that was his home, the parents are

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super shocked that I had lived there
that besides I have lived in a house

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that had a very, very large
swimming pool, and told them the parents

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that besides he was going to parties
with a man who dressed as a cowboy

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and did magic tricks and so on, and that he smoked cigarettes in a

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television ad. The parents were surprised
by this. And it' s funny

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because at school, when they made
him draw his house, he drew his

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house, his dad to him and
what he called the other me Wow.

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This case begins to investigate and in
Stevenson too and of course there was no

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way to know if what the child
was saying was true or not. Until

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in a picture book of Hollywood movies
that give him to use the child appears

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a frame of a series movie B
that I had not seen almost anyone called

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night after night and then the child
says look Mom, that man there,

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I know him and the one next
to him is me. Then they investigate

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because that actor, if he was
known, was called George Raft, but

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he had already passed away. There
was no way to know who he was.

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And then they turned to a Hollywood
film archiver and the guy as they

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showed him the frame looked and said
yes, because that actor practically didn'

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t know anyone and his name was
Marty Martins Vale. They continue to investigate

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because the child one of the things
that made the parents not understand is that

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as a child he started dancing Claquet. Well, Martin Martin was a dancer.

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Dancer was a dancer oféloado dancer
Deck de tape and in addition,

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the boy said that he was carrying
other actors and that he was such a

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bad actor that in the end he
set up a representation agency. Good for

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you to have no idea. This
was so heavy when Marty, when Eian

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Stevenson investigated this, he drew fifty- five verified facts from Marty Martins'

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reincarnation. And I' m going
to read this because it seems brutal to

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me. In total, fifty-
five of Ryan' s statements about his

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previous life were verified. For example, it was confirmed that Marty Martin was

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once a tap dancer, who ran
a talent agency, who changed the names

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of the people, who had several
wives, whose favorite restaurants were Chin Outown,

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who spent a lot of time in
Paris, who had a large collection

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of sunglasses that bought a dog from
his daughter when he was six years old

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and so on and talked to Marty
Martins' daughter and corroborated all the facts.

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What a barbarity after this, what
one thinks that death is just the

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beginning of something we don' t
know about and before we leave that there

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in Stevenson had a team of collaborators
who, through the scientific method, rigor

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and thorough verification, verified not only
the facts that these people said they had

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had a previous life, but also
carried out checks with relatives or acquaintances if

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they were of supremely contrasted cases.
Juángel. It is curious that in the

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end what some scientists throw at in
cadron is that, well it would not

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be so much the scientific method,
but it would be that of investigative journalism,

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since the facts are what they are, what they are. Point ball

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friend of mine conclusions and closing John, which clearly a program like that of

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today shows us, as we said
in the promo of this program, that

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death, although it is one of
the last borders, does not have to

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be the end of our existences.
Clearly, this transmigration of souls that has

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been in and that exists the other
kind of beliefs, mainly from the Middle

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East Jorge, to me is a
reality and above all presents them cases as

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amazing as those that we have been
carrying out in this program And to me

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can follow on social networks, on
Twitter, Instagram and tiktok, in arroba,

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alevernal prescos, because I just tell
them that I do not believe in

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death, that we are traveling souls
of a multiverse. And what' s

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more, I think we can travel
to the past and we can travel to

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the future and we can travel from
one world to another. And that'

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s what I expect the day I
travel through the grotesque world where I meet

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human beings in other universes or in
other galaxies, to keep telling us stories

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that tell us about a fascinating world, a magical universe. And never forget

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that we live in a magical world, because it is full of mystery