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School, not everyone, like it' s there. My name is Juan

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Jesús Vallejo, his journalist, writer
and director of the Mystery Night program on

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Caracol Radio. I send you a
greeting from the cove beaches in the heart

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of the Colombian Caribbean. The mystery
culture and mystery pushes us to travel,

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to face the unknown. Few emotions
as shocking in the world as standing in

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front of the pyramids of Giza and
trying to understand its mystery, walking,

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for example, through the temples of
northern India, like caajurao places that speak

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of worship ancient gods, making expeditions
to the jungle to be next to ancient

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shamans that whisper to birds. A
whole magical world that today is getting lost

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more and more because of this 21st
century that ends our soul. But that

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doesn' t mean we don'
t want to keep traveling. But if

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you want to know about this and
much evil, do not miss out.

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The last mystery night podcast on Caracol
Radio Expedition to the mystery mystery night Juan

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Jesús Vallejo, many times I dream
of those times when the maps carried the

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word unexplored, large corners of the
planet that were full of riddles that made

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our imagination due to what things there
would be able to dream so high that

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we were even able to look for
old lost cities. Go to the search

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for mythical treasures such as the Ark
of the Covenant or the Holy Grail,

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feel the song of the luncheon walking
through the streets of Istanbul, hear the

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prayer of the Talmud sitting in front
of the wall of the laments, walk

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through unknown serva, listening to the
song of the shaman whispering to the birds.

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How wonderful it is to feel the
warm breeze of the desert and the

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sand that gets into your soul.
The wonder also, for example, of

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making expeditions through hidden forests and getting
into that green sea that reminds us that

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the world is alive. I repeat, I think I should have been born

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in another time, that time when
the ancient explorers were discovering a magical world

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and telling it in their chronicles.
And I am convinced that there are other

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worlds, but they are in this
thanks to my work. I' ve

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talked about this several times. I' ve been able to step on more

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than thirty countries and do different explorations
around the world. Step on it five

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continents. There are times when I
had quite a hard time on some of

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those expeditions, as it was,
for example, once in Panama, in

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the darien jungles I was making a
documentary and I was on the track of

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the treasure of the tacar crib,
the ancient gold that was in the jungles

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of Panama seven days, walking through
the depths of the forest and I remember

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looking for that treasure a curious thing
happened to me. I stepped where I

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shouldn' t have and then it
bit me on the ankle, it bit

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my skin so that people get an
idea of what it' s basically like,

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I stepped on some poop or something
and they splashed me, jumped me

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like a thousand little fleas and crushed
my ankle. Then, on that expedition

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we reached the old abandoned biological station
of the Daria Forest, in a biological

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station that was to observe the eagle. It was abandoned because, unfortunately,

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the Colombian guerrilla group arrived there.
And well, I had to put a

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mixture of water and ammonia to dry
up all the bites I had on my

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ankle. Then I was practically lame
and I went to practice one of those

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bad vices that I have to smoke
under there of small roof that there was

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and then I remember that it was
raining, but very little and suddenly I

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that at that time of my life, because I had several personal conflicts,

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suddenly I saw pass a huge morpho
butterfly. Morbid butterflies are metallic blue and

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have like two big eyes back in
their wings and I remember that when I

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saw that, I said God exists
in the world of things so beautiful that

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we cannot be pr I never found
the treasure of Tacarcuna. I never found

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the Holy Grail, although I was
in France following the footsteps that followed before,

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for example, two Nazi expeditions who
searched for it in the castle of

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Montsegur. I found it by the
Holy Grail. I didn' t find

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the Ark of the Covenant. In
the subsoil of Jerusalem. I didn'

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t find any lost city either,
but I discovered a magical world that changed

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my life and that' s what
I owe to Mystery journalism that, thanks

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to him and to following all those
stories that are real and have a real

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base, I was able to discover
the world and lived in three worlds I

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lived in Europe, lived in the
Arab world, lived in Latin America.

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And that I have to thank to
the mystery the phrase of paulluar. There

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are other worlds, but they are
on this one. I assure you it

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' s true. Before starting this
program, I set myself up a little

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onions grandfather, as I say and
as he is going on expeditions and trips

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and he will tell us then a
well- known journalist, Miguel Blanco.

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It has been more than one hundred
and forty- two countries. To be

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exact, he is going to tell
us different expeditions that he also did following

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the path of mystery, because here
in this house, in the group Prisa

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remembered how I managed, like sixteen
years ago, I made a link from

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the desert in Algeria, right at
the base of Mount Tafililet, with telephone

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satellites was in the middle of nowhere. Then I remember the excitement of those

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days when I made that link.
I had been in the desert for seven

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days, sleeping on the ground without
showering, so imagine how I had to

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smell good. But all that is
left in nothing when you really realize that

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we have such a beautiful world and
it' s too bad that we don

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' t know how to appreciate it
and that we don' t know how

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to take care of it. Those
magical jungles I was in with shamans or.

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I remember a sunrise, for example, on the Island of the Sun,

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on Lake Titicaca, in Bolivia,
and I remember that sunrise as never

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before in my life. While a
shaman performed a sun ritual, it seemed

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that the clouds and the very astro
king listened to him. That' s

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what gave me the mystery and that' s why I like history, archaeology,

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and here we also do a lot
of programs about it and what I

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can tell you in this introduction is
that they travel as much as they can.

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If you don' t have money
to go to the end of the

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world, you don' t need
to travel through your countries. Here,

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in Colombia, for example, we
have a country that is the most beautiful

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on the planet, with corners full
of history, archaeology, tradition, magic,

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mystery. But if you are listening
in Peru, in Mexico, in

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Uruguay, in Argentina, in Chile, in Spain, you also have a

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thousand magical corners near where you live, continue to discover the world with the

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look of a child, surprise us
not only with what we see, but

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diving into the stories that plunge us
into a fantastic world, a fantastic world

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that is real. I repeat,
you don' t need to find a

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treasure. I never found one,
maybe I was close to one of them.

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But the experience of walking through that
mystery- filled world and knowing that

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we are inhabitants of a planet that
is made by ancient and mysterious gods gave

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meaning to my life. Today I
share those experiences with some of you who

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accompany me to the journeys of authorship
that I make every year. How wonderful

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it is to be surprised by the
magic of the pyramids in Egypt. How

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wonderful it is to go through vast
deserts and see the sun set with the

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mantle of the horizon as a magical
world to which we are a part.

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Never, ever stop walking around.
My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo, you

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want to follow me on social networks, on my twitter is arroba Juan ge

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Vallejo, Juan j Vallejo, on
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And this is another mystery night show. And here what we do is mystery

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journalism. We put the facts on
the table and you decide what' s

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behind it and what' s not. What would be the journey you have

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dreamed of, but you could not
make me there in mystery snail What fate

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would you like the most. You
know I' m doing copyright trips.

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Well, I' ll be there
in a few weeks. I' m

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leaving to make the way to Santiago. There' s no place left.

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From the 20th to the 30th of
May. I' ll be in Turkey.

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I don' t know if you
want a square if there is very

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little left and this next week,
on the website three w trips Juan Jesús

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one who wants to accompany me to
Egypt the second fortnight of the month of

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September of this year. A journey
through the wonder of the country of the

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Pharaohs, putting us into the magic
of the pyramids and sailing through a fabulous

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river that is the Nile boasted by
some of the most enigmatic and beautiful temples

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in the world. An unforgettable journey. I repeat, this week will already

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be on the website three trips Juan
Jesús Vallejo com and we start without further

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delay. Alejandro Bernal, partner friend, how well you are, Juange a

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greeting for you for Richie controls and
also, of course, a hug for

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the people who are listening to this
right now on the podcast we posted,

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the YouTube channel of Caracol Radio to
accompany us on a journey. Juanje an

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impressive journey through the experience, the
story of two great adventurers like Miguel Blanco,

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our guest exception tonight and you,
who have also traveled a little bit,

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no more, but well, Miguel
beats me for coleaba has no longer

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been in one hundred and forty countries, they have not been in fifty,

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but already many we wish to have. John does the amount of experiences you

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have had. And Juange, while
listening to the interview, gave me nostalgia

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for the good, because I think
it is a testimony of what journalism was

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a few decades ago of what it
was like to go, to verify the

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facts, to investigate, to verify
the sources in the place, an exercise

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that, sadly is more and more
in disuse. Unfortunately, John and you

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are privileged to have been part of
that generation that had the opportunity to do

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so. But the truth is our
reason. I don' t know if

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you' ve come to discuss it
with Miguel in the interview. I think

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so. But it really is that, that is journalism, by the way,

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to this day I have changed so
much that it is pana after kids

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there counting a roll on YouTube,
n n n n n s uasllones of

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followers already and that is the reality. Yes, it' s true,

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but they have a journalistic interest in
traveling, getting to the places, gathering

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testimony, seeing that they went from
soaking up the places nothing and some have

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money, but very much leftovers.
If I had a million followers on YouTube,

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I' m sure every year I' d take a little trip,

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research and put it on the YouTube
channel. But not these new generations,

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unfortunately, insults Roba Juan that valleys
with who I am. Young people,

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unfortunately, do not have that I
do not know that anxiety, that eagerness.

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I recognize that I, when I
got into the world of Mystery,

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was because I wanted to be Indian
jones I couldn' t find it the

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Holy Grail or anything of it.
But yes, if I managed to travel

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half the world, especially good,
not all of North Africa, East,

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half of Latin America, I know
it as the palm of my hand.

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Thanks to mystery journalism and people will
say no, because that' s why

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they read about the pyramids and tell
it. No. It is not the

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same as when you go there,
that being there interviews archaeologists go and see

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the places and as much as they
have read and such changes everything and they

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tell it in a different way.
They find new data, tell the experience

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of the trip And well, it' s something tremendously rewarding. What do

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you mean, what a request to
mystery would you like to make? Hey,

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hey, juange, I' m
going to cheat. In this answer

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four are given. They have these
times of war, because I think a

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forced journey to is Egypt, that
is to say that you like less than

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you like the mystery Egypt. It
is obliged because it is to make contact

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with one of the most long-
standing, advanced and fascinating civilizations in the

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history of mankind. I mean,
for me Egypt, as you once told

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me, that' s like Tuesday, like another planet, is the fourth

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Gitza dynastry and just as if you
were on Tuesday, that is, if

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no one explains it exactly, I
mean to be in contact, for me

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with one of the most fascinating civilizations
at all levels, then travel, travel

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is plural or linked to the mystery
Egypt and for those we love the Omni

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Roswells, you close eggs. I
would like to have that possibility of going

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there the mecca of euphology from the
point of view that it is the place

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that was the protagonist of the Omni
event, which aroused all that is the

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Omni conspiracy and the modern UFO era, which was Roswell. I would also

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love and nearby has a green table
where there are all the drawings of the

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aliens, of the anasaphis, of
the Anasazi Indians you have in the fifty

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- one. There' s Sedona' s vortex. It' s a

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trip I like, I' d
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know him. I wasn' t. I think he' s forced and

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he' d be fascinating. A
third more exotic, but I think it

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has taken on a lot of relevance
and although at the time I investigated it

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and maybe I didn' t dimension
it as it dimension today John that with

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a bread that in Indonesia, that
with the new findings, the possibility that

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the bottom, that the base this
pyramid that is Indonesia, is twenty-

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seven thousand years old happens is crazy
and I would love him too. That

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' s something else and about everything
we talked about. With you, Juan,

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there' s a hidden camera in
there that won' t be opened,

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so be the journalists of the people
who have the privilege of being there

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at the time. Wow, I
mean, that can change the story.

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And of course that can be changed. That' s another thing. And

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the fourth man you' ve got
intrigued. The fourth Juan je bueno has

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to do with my case, favorite
Omni Rua Zimbabwe, that is, you

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know that I am associated with Rúa
to investigate that house, but obsessed with

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that case I would love to talk
to Emily tream Emily I wrote to you,

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you did not answer me, although
I wrote you in English. Well,

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there' s my litri. Well, no, no, not in

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time to tell what if not,
but well, basically Rua Zimbabwee, because

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how many children witnessed sixty- two, sixty- two children witnessing the landing

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of an omnicon beings And so and
so, even there are characters of these

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children who receive messages and so on. A story, it' s a

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fascinating story, researched by one of
the most important psychiatrists in the world,

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which is a total and absolutely true
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where I want to go, where
I want to go, then I'

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ll tell you, where I'
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we' re not going to eat
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our guest, who is Miguel Blanco, in short, for many years I

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haven' t seen that I didn' t talk to Miguel Blanco, who

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is a person who has a well- known podcast in Spain and Latin America,

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which is called Espacio en Blanco which
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three decades already And well, because
this man has been in one hundred and

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forty countries investigating cases of mystery.
So, I think it' s an

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interview that you' re going to
love and remember if you don' t

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have money to go to the end
of the world. Near the corner of

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your house. There are wonderful places, but traveling that makes us better people

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and understand the wonderful and magical world
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with Miguel Blanco starts. Ah yes, the mystery is culture and the mystery

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makes us leave our comfort zone to
show us that the world is a magical

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place, that human beings have always
been attached to the mystery, to the

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sacred, to the divine, to
the magical, because it is an intrinsic

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part of ourselves And if I have
traveled a little bit through the world,

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I have a good friend who has
traveled a lot more than I, searching

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for the mystery on the five continents, going through this planet and demonstrating and

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translating in his books and in his
radio programs that the world in which we

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live is much more fabulous than we
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friend, as I said, his
name is Miguel Blanco. But I'

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m going to ask you the question
that I ask everyone content for the first

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time in night mystery in snail ras
who is Miguel Blanco for the whole audience

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night of mystery and snail radio,
because he does not learn everything and a

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teacher of nothing. Someone who has
visited one hundred and forty- two countries

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in the world and those words you
have said have you copied them Why?

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Because that' s what I would
say right now about the mystery. Before

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him, sir, I told the
Dolinares that mystery is the measure that gives

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us the possibilities that we have to
find our limits in life, regardless of

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whether one' s own life is
his own. I' m not,

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because I' m a seeker of
that. I don' t try to

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be close to the mystery, but
it happens to me like you when you

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open a door, you enter a
mysterious place, there are 27 windows that

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communicate you to other places. So
this is infinite and unsurpassable and it'

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s a pleasure to be with you
again Radio Caracol. Thank you very much,

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Miguel Blanco. Okay, let'
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radio program called White Space. Very
much of those who listen to this program

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listen to White Space and have asked
me once why an interview with Miguel O.

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I don' t know what.
Such here is Miguel Blanco is the

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radio program of Mystery Dean in this
in Spain. How many years you spent

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in plant, years, not decade, how many decades it has already taken,

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but out of the forty forty years
and forward they have come out,

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because almost all Schicker, Lorenzo Enrique
de Vicente you were only missing. You

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did, well, I was at
your endemic stage. Eighty I was.

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I was, wasn' t I? Is it true? It' s

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true, isn' t it?
Yes, yes, in tutal for my

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eighty I was. I' ve
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when you worked in the Prisa Group
that snails also of the Prisa Group,

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the same one, it offered me
to go to Mexico to do it program

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there. That' s good,
you didn' t go? No,

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I didn' t? I'
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I wanted to stay in Spain and
I think Caracol has interesting and important

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people like you. Thank you very
much, Michael and for us and for

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the night of mystery a pleasure to
have here hears the first question. After

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that first forced question, let'
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not know anyone in the world of
mystery who has been in one hundred and

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forty- two countries. It'
s barbaric. He has several books such

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as The Path of the Gods,
chronicles of unusual phenomena. They' ve

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got tights, time lords. You
have another world the traces of the ancient

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gods. Why you are attracted to
this part of the mystery perhaps more than

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others. You' re feeling a
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I think he' s going to
be substantial with me. You know,

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I wasn' t traveling here,
traveling on a boat before I was

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five. I had already crossed Atlantic
four or five times or my parents'

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fault visiting different countries. I think
I was crazy about that and I said

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well, you have to go dancing. I remember when I was 13.

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I can do other things that no
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like no one' s listening to
us for fourteen years. I think

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he had a selectivity test or o- test. I don' t know

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what it was. I ran away
from a minor home and went to hitchhiker

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around, moving forward, I had
very long hair. So, when I

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came home, you don' t
see the fuss they made me. They

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made me cut my hair to get
suspended. Yes, yes, shame,

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I had taken out hua honor plate. You know, actually, when I

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went to see the notes with my
parents, I looked down, as I

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saw, it' s true that
I' ll have suspended. They already

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made me cut my hair and then
looking at the first one on the list

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and it' s like a trio
of honor, but my parents' suckers,

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to say the least, made me
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first time I ran away with eighteen
I could travel. I went to Egypt,

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which was where I wanted India right
away and the great journeys began.

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Indeed, a lot of life,
which is that, I repeat, a

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book has been planned and I don' t know if you keep doing it.

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Once in a while. You also
travel as an author and take people

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there, now you don' t
do it anymore. I didn' t

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leave that a long time ago.
I think I was the first to make

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them, too. Surely the idea
is that you, if not me I

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take very little preceempo, for I
tell you, I must take thirty or

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forty zero people traveling through digitizing parts
of the world and it was a pleasure

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to be able to open the doors. It was countries where I' d

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been, like you did in Egypt. No, you know a lot of

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people and you open a lot of
doors. And now it' s a

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pleasure to be able to share that
door opening with people. No, but

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there came a moment that I said, Mira, it' s over.

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There' s Juan Gey to do
it and other people who have signed up

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for the story. And now I
retire, especially because I was entertained.

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I travel very fast, I am
very entertaining to be waiting for people to

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explain them and now baby time to
make the trips you need, that I

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have earrings much faster not and do
what you want and what you like about

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tapas. Life is a stage.
Yes, I am tremendously happy with the

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journeys of authorship leading people to Egypt, Israel, Jordan, because now on

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the road to Santiago Turkey. It
is something that makes me very happy,

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because something that people saw the mystery
and understand, as I said at the

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beginning, that the mystery is culture. Let' s start if you want.

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Let' s start with countries.
Let' s start with America,

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which we are here in Latin America, a country that I see has marked

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you because you even dedicated a book
to this is Mexico. What connection Miguel

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Blanco has with Mexico, What places
have you been, what places in Mexico

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have surprised you the most. We
have a lot of Mexican audiences here.

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Specifically, Mexico is the second country
that hears the most in mystery night.

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I have a bad memory, forgiveness
for places around Mexico. I pretense the

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lineage of the Irish arch warriors.
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We made a temascal that has been
one of the most incredible experiences that I

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have experienced most aus with them and
with them we dedicated ourselves to visiting all

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the areas where the Mayan had had
temples from Mirador, which was a site

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then unknown Chichaza palenque not only in
Mexico, but Guatemala. I also know,

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I can' t tell you or
equalize Yes, because there was the

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guardian of the pyramids. He'
s a giant guy who was called the

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gorilla. You imagine everything is imagined
and when I am going to get to

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me, he said of this little
Spaniard he will come here to steal the

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secrets of the guardians. It cost
me a lot. My little brother colleagues

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from the Arch warriors said it'
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a lot, convince him that I
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and until he accepted me, it
cost a lot, but with him we

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have done rituals. We have entered
the pyramid as where those mummies have been

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found, that privilege they give you
to go to places where you normally do

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not visit people and then, with
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We' ve done things in palenque, in Chichenitza, in lots of amazing

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places. In Mexico it is a
country that I keep in my soul and

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in my heart, because I have
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Mexico is a country. Okay.
Mexico is not a country to me,

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it is a continent. I mean, it' s so big and so

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diverse that it' s a continent. I was lucky enough to be there

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many times. The Mayan area is
in Teotihuacán, there is the entire area

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of Veracruz, in Guerrero, in
Guadalajara, and it is a real wonder

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and clear the subject. I don' t know what Miguel thinks, the

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people who make these kind of trips
maybe the difference between Egypt and if you

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go to Mexico is that Egypt was
three thousand years of history, but of

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the Egyptian world, as we knew
it, there is nothing left. While

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in Latin America, if you leave, yes, the people who belong to

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the Mayan culture, they do give
people who belong to the same ones that

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made those fabulous ruins and with which
you can share culture and with whom you

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can share magic, as is the
case, of that kind of rituals in

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which you started in Mexico, where
they bring you a knowledge that I think

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makes you like closer to the stars
and closer to the magic. Miguel.

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Yes, sir Yes, gentlemen,
an experience in Tepotlán has been remembered.

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One of the White Jaguar players,
who is another of my little brothers,

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says an older gentleman who is the
guardian of the place where quetzal was born

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which I did not know that the
story that he knew was so similar to

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that of Jesus Christ Forgiveness, that
he had even been born in a cave

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and was a very old man.
About eighty- five years old, without

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warning or anything, we arrived in
the area where he was fifteen days before

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he had been about to die eighty- five years and suddenly we found him

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there in the manifade that was in
the garden digging some little things. He

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had recovered and we said what we
wanted to do and we knew. He

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beat us up because of the mountain, the Cachahuan, which left us buckets.

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Imagine it was very nice to see
how he communicated with nature. There

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was not a tree, which was
one of the grandmothers who had to ask

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permission to enter the area a pretty
thick mountain and see the naivety I would

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say with what I did that.
I' m not allowed. He took

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me to the well where they baptized
that one and the guy had one like

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Hino' s guardian, gave you
a name. Then you had to get

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naked and get into the pot and
get baptized and then suddenly with your hand.

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He did so toward heaven and took
your name and named me by the

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name of the God of the Hecatristian
wind. I think something like that.

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I' m sorry Mexicans don'
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And yes and really, when I
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had a lot to do with communication. He didn' t know me at

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all. Evidently, we are engaged
in communication. Our voice is like the

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wind and then me on a personal
level, without a guy who goes too

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fast doing things, in fact,
to the people on the team, the

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program and the people who work with
me. Follow my rhythm, because I

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' m so ra it went up
like the wind. What happens is that

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you can say this good thing,
as long as they' re not too

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sounding. You have permission to give
him the people on my team, who

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are a band of mamonas, are
women who made calls to wind media.

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They call me a blizzard friar,
because I' m too fast and I

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' m like a blizzard. But
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makes you tremendously traveler, notice that
when you were commenting on this of a

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eighty- five- year- old
man in Mexico who puts you in a

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forest and tells you those secrets,
he remembered an anecdote that happened to me

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filming a documentary for Spanish television.
So many years ago we interviewed Catemaco'

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s son- in- law.
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mouth, but man and I think
I know him because they are catemaco.

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I think of course it was a
Mr Te. I' m talking about

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the year two thousand four. He
was eighty- four years old and led

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us through the jungle that led us
all up to the age of eighty-

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four, who walked more than us
and taught us the secrets of plants and

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how to do it with some respect
and not just that. He was very

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angry because he said he was sick
of gringos coming in, that he thought

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they worked safe for pharmaceuticals and others
to steal the secrets of the jungle when

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he said they had to be,
because for everyone and that it didn'

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t cost money. It was simply
knowledge, without knowing the plants and the

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different remedies, and simply going to
look for them, going to look for

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them with respect and sensibly, with
respect for the ancestral knowers who are in

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those places. And then, well, I keep that anecdote very fondly.

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You wanted to comment. Miguel did
want to tell you that, besides,

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this man is curious eighty- five
years. When we saw him, not

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because he believed him to be trembling
weak when he began to walk through the

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mountain and acquired that role as a
teacher, said Guau. This guy kills

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us also happened to see the companion
of the lord of Pacal opportunity for the

410
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.759
groin or to be able to enter
into palenque there was another of the guardians.

411
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:10.799
Thanks to the director of the center
he gave us permission to enter and

412
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:16.400
it has been one of the experiences. It was closed only to the investigators

413
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:22.960
and meeting with that laí- papa
astronaut was an absolutely incredible experience. It

414
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.759
happened to me also in Nayarit I
am remembered in places already in Mexico.

415
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.599
Now they told me there was an
island that was Mastitlan. I think it

416
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.440
was called a place where the two
Mexicans left. They spent forty years,

417
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:44.759
like the Jewish people on pilgrimage until
they arrived in Mexico and lived this sign

418
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:50.440
to Tenochitlán, seeing that sign of
the eagle, eating a snake and it

419
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.319
was the place where they had to
settle their culture. Mexico is an absolutely

420
00:32:53.119 --> 00:33:00.279
portentous country, where if you open
the semium doors, meet the righteous people

421
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.160
who teach you the things of their
own hand. And it' s quite

422
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.039
an adventure Mexico really in is a
country, it' s a continent,

423
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.680
it' s a tenteca wonder.
And this I was commenting Miguel Blanco,

424
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:19.480
that I find curious the grasshoppers,
the people who come to see the herbs

425
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.960
and so that we have a pharmacopoeia
in the jungle tremendous and that anecdote that

426
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:30.359
I told about the jungle of Nancillaga, because it is very curious, because

427
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:36.319
the lord as I said, was
eighty- four years old and walked through

428
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:40.160
the jungle better that tone carried fixia
and the guy said it is true that

429
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:44.559
gringos come and I tell them about
the herbs if they put them in bags

430
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.559
and so full here the gringos and
come with bags. I do not listen

431
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.839
to them and I say, therefore, to pharmaceuticals and sheaths. But sure,

432
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.000
sure enough, then, as if
they abused me for not knowing the

433
00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.720
good faith, these kind of people
are worth not looking for anything, they

434
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.880
didn' t charge us a weight, nothing, I mean, they did

435
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:06.319
it just by teaching the jungle.
Seen when Michael and You were commenting on

436
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.920
that, John made the experiences that
you were not, for with these sages,

437
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.840
with these connoisseurs of those places,
I always remember that phrase that You

438
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.519
say that one thing is knowledge and
another is science. So, clearly,

439
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.920
these people by knowledge, by being
in contact with that territory, knowing,

440
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:28.840
interpreting the symbols of the terrain,
of nature, of the trees, of

441
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.880
everything, that is, that is
unmatched. It' s a double cyclopae

442
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.119
othello and that doesn' t hurt. It' s just that I was

443
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.880
remembering one of those who came over
from that shooting team Fernando. Well,

444
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:44.559
it' s kind of irregular in
the stomach. I mean, I wouldn

445
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:45.760
' t need anything for the stomach. No, well, if I want

446
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.519
I' m from a piece of
this crust that purges you and the guy.

447
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.000
Ah, well, now they'
re afraid, well, he'

448
00:34:52.039 --> 00:35:00.239
s been pooping all night. He
didn' t come out of the restroom

449
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.559
that we couldn' t laugh at, but it worked. He was up

450
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:06.599
all night, but since he was
perfect for you, he' s done

451
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.440
everything you had. I did,
but it was funny. I mean,

452
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.199
it' s like nothing, this
old man gives me what you' re

453
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.159
gonna freak him out. I mean, the knowledge these people have, it

454
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.360
' s brutal. No, and
that' s what you' re taking.

455
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.679
That kind of anecdotes when you'
re on the edge of the world.

456
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:30.960
We were talking about the wonders of
Mexico with Miguel Blanco, not only

457
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:36.519
of the places where the yerbaterers teach
us the mysteries of the jungle and the

458
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:38.519
power of plants, but also of
magical places, as is, for example,

459
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:44.280
in the city of palenque the tomb
of King Pacal, on whose slab

460
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:50.639
is seen a man who apparently what
he is doing is flying in an artifact

461
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.960
in ancient times. And the interview
with Miguel Blanco continues ah Yes, yes,

462
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:59.679
people, simple, it' s
super nice and it' s a

463
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.159
tremendously magical country. You were talking
about that something You know, let me

464
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.480
get you a little something. Yeah, sure, let me have a position.

465
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.840
The other day, a teacher told
me there are brilliant people who are

466
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:15.679
wearing suits. They' ve studied
careers, they' re in big positions,

467
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:16.280
they' re in multi- professionals, and there' s bright people.

468
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:22.719
They need not have to have studies, but they illuminate your soul when

469
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:24.960
you are with them. Those kind
of people that you and I have surely

470
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.079
found our adventures for the world and
blessed be. Yes, yes, it

471
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.320
' s true, especially in Latin
America. It' s like, I

472
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:35.719
don' t know, it'
s like a real surprise. No,

473
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.960
this continent gives you a surprise at
every corner and if you go with an

474
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:43.800
open mind and with simplicity, the
clean soul and the clean soul here in

475
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:46.639
Latin America, wonderful things happen to
you. Well, look at that.

476
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:50.559
I' ve been living here for
nine and a half years now, no

477
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.679
more and no less, if from
time to time I arrive and, well,

478
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.639
another stage, another stage of life. Hey, you were telling me

479
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.880
about the sick king' s salusa
that everybody knows her, even the people

480
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.320
that I' m going to be
able to describe basically. There you see

481
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.480
the pacal king who seems to be
moving his hands and feet in a kind

482
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:13.000
of apparatus that now further back,
would even have what would be the escape

483
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.480
of a kind of propulsion or something
even in the nose and mouth, would

484
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:22.440
carry what would seem something that would
allow him to breathe. Really. Mexican

485
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:28.800
anthropologists say that it has a symbolic
explanation, in symbology, that it represents

486
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:34.119
ceiba and that it passes from one
world to another. But I, that

487
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.519
guy I see and he looks like
he' s flying and they tell me

488
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.840
what I do with weirdo symbology.
Is what Miguel Blanco thinks of the famous

489
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.960
slab of the king Pacific is symbolology
is to the king? I was also

490
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.920
given that explanation you know, but
the funny thing is that, behind the

491
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.199
story of the ry pakalch one,
I was told it was an incredibly tall,

492
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:58.679
very strange guy who changed the way
of life. I am, it

493
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.360
' s a genre of people who
are in that place and who suddenly disappeared.

494
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:06.920
They say though the grave was found
there, but they say that well,

495
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:08.400
I wasn' t very sure whether
it was really or not. What

496
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.719
is true is that he was a
pretty big guy and that he changed the

497
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.840
way of life of the people around
him. Like many of the apostles from

498
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:22.360
heaven who in different parts of the
world have done the same work. Indeed,

499
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.559
as if we leave the Andean world, we have the god Tunupa and

500
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:30.760
we have Viracocha and they are that
sort of messengers of the Cuculcan gods that

501
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:37.119
tancoal, which is basically the same
thing, and it is something and it

502
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:43.719
is fascinating not to go finding that
trail of that very possible visit from the

503
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:49.800
point of view, Yes they are
visits of beings from other worlds thousands of

504
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.199
years ago to influence our culture.
I' m convinced of them. You

505
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:59.119
know I also convinced that the gods
were here, they were different parts of

506
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:05.159
the planet, they left their bones, they taught people certain things and they

507
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.960
left something that we call the anthropolos, the graza mother. It is very

508
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:12.920
curious what has happened to you and
on the same stones that are in the

509
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:19.679
temple of the sphinx in Egypt,
there is in Machu Picchu, beech in

510
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.800
Cuzco, beech in different parts of
Mexico. I have seen them in Asia,

511
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:28.199
seen them in India, seen them
in Turkey, in a certain way

512
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:34.079
of building them as a certain measure
that coincides with all parts of the world

513
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:38.639
and that many places resemble pyramids.
Who did that. We are anthroposed we

514
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.920
say that there was a rafa mother. The flood came ten thousand years before

515
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:46.679
Christ, erasing all the apparent traces
of that civilization. But there' s

516
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:51.079
still remains, and those remains tell
us about visitors from upstairs. I have

517
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:57.119
convinced them, and the funny thing
is that in all the traditions that came

518
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:01.840
out of Jesus, Jehovah John was
going to say, all of them promised

519
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.480
to come back. I' m
waiting for them to arrive. I wish

520
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.199
that would happen one day when you
were commenting on that. Indeed, about

521
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:15.440
twelve thousand years ago, on the
thousandth day before Christ. That' s

522
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:20.039
when the last glaciation ends. And
what happens is that the sea level worldwide

523
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.760
rises one hundred and twenty- five
meters and there are entire areas that disappear.

524
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:29.239
There was a great culture of humanity, mother of humanity, as Miguel

525
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.760
Blanco is saying. And that would
explain, then, the fact that there

526
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.519
are pyramids in the Canary Islands,
that there are pyramids in Mexico, that

527
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.960
there are pyramids in Peru, that
there are pyramids in Egypt, that there

528
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:46.760
are pyramids in Iraq' s asset
in China. So, of course this

529
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:53.760
weird. Weird, at least we' re going to keep telling you about

530
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:58.880
the pyramids of the Canary Islands.
You' ve never seen them tell me.

531
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.480
The Canary Islands are never sending the
pyramids in Weimar. You should arrange

532
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:08.039
a trip to get there. I
was urgently on my plain Bettancour, who

533
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.920
was a scholar of all that and
tells me the story of abíos pyramids.

534
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.800
All of a sudden we' re
going to one night over there and I

535
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:22.480
was freaked out. It was going
to be bad. I hadn' t

536
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.599
been. The lagoon experts said it
was a pile of stones that farmers made

537
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:32.679
to grow. But a pile of
stones that are very similar to the pyramids

538
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:39.840
in Peru, which are exactly oriented
towards certain points that as I know,

539
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.639
they pulled something out of there toorghe
Jedar came and pulled out some mummies and

540
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.800
some things. But the funny thing
about all that is, long before they

541
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.880
got to Heyerder, I got in
touch with the pyramid owner and wanted to

542
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.519
sell it to me. You know
how much, by the way, for

543
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.199
a hundred thousand pesetas that are right
now, how many are a hundred thousand

544
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.960
pesetas, a hundred euros, six
zero euros, six zero. Although euros

545
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.840
is one million, six thousand six
zero euros, yes, but it is

546
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.840
one million. Not good. Well, imagine a thousand euros, six thousand

547
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:15.360
euros. Fron 100 thousand presents zero, worth six percent 100 thousand euros.

548
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:16.920
He wanted to sell it to me. I started to think, I say

549
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:21.519
Pa, what I want this now
not to the mesmo mesifico arrives everything,

550
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.960
Gerdard tower arrives and buys it for
ten million pesetas cir for good a hundred

551
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:32.400
times more what the peasant asked me
did not say very well and did business

552
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.920
of my life if I had bought
it, but well, I could not

553
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:40.880
have attended it. And they have
set up a theme park of this part

554
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.480
of the life of Tor Hegedal of
those expeditions that he has made of Easter

555
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.679
Island and, above all, they
have preserved the pyramids. Not only are

556
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.480
there pyramids there Entrenifie, but there
are pyramids on the island of La Palma

557
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.639
and in other places on the island
of Tenerife, and it is an absolutely

558
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.519
amazing experience to see those pyramids there. If not I' m convinced rum

559
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:02.760
something from there. They didn'
t tell you anything about what they pulled

560
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.679
out, but security guard there was
that he was a colleague before they made

561
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.599
him a natural park, because theme. Mático said they' ve taken several

562
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.079
boxes and they' ve taken them
out of here. Yes, I would

563
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.000
like to know what they have taken
to R Thatlo is proof that, if

564
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:22.960
they did, the natives of the
Canary Islands were in contact with that mother

565
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.440
race, because they did so with
the same measures and, above all,

566
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:30.159
very well oriented to different parts of
the sky so that people would be with

567
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:31.840
the idea of those pyramids of Wimar, in which I was not in are

568
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:37.559
stair pyramids, which are made with
blocks of stone, which are volcanic,

569
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.840
because, indeed, archaeologists, many
that the Spaniards said no, that is,

570
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.280
that the peasants stacked the stones like
this in the eighteenth century to cultivate

571
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.239
things. I also didn' t
believe myself and Toral Yardar arrived because I

572
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.920
was at the lecture he gave in
Madrid, my mother that almost twenty-

573
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:57.239
five years ago came to Toralla Radin
and said it is impossible because if you

574
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.360
look well at the stones, the
stones, besides you are put in the

575
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.159
form of asking for the midal,
then the saint finished off from outside to

576
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:06.280
make it more perfect. In other
words, they have size, in addition

577
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.199
to being stacked, that a scandal
was made in Spain and now day is

578
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:12.719
a theme park because in the end
the Spanish archaeology I think never had interest.

579
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.159
That' s why I have no
idea who the theme park will be

580
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.280
now, because it' s already
passed away years ago. It' s

581
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:27.760
from the Fred Olsen shipping company,
which was kind of the one who helped

582
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.320
Otor heyerdal do all that kind of
stuff. The shipping company bought it and

583
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:34.599
they' re doing it. It
is a must for people who like the

584
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.199
mystery and, above all, take
a walk around Teneriffe which is full of

585
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.519
mysteries and there is the ravine of
Badajoz, the pyramids of Weimar. There

586
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.039
are lots of places where very mysterious
things happen. The beach of La Tejita,

587
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:50.199
where it has mated a video,
the first Ovni the skill tip of

588
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.639
when I had an incredible experience with
a previous appointment that appeared a bicharraco that

589
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:59.159
left us Enrique de Vicente and fifty
other people that we met there hallucinated and

590
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:05.119
that then propelled to make the biggest
meeting that has been made in the history

591
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.599
of the radio, forty zero people
in the teide for an original experience of

592
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:13.199
communication and that, fortunately, did
not appear. What we live through is

593
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.239
Vidalgo' s tip. In case
he shows up, I' m dying

594
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.840
of the backup. What did you
see? He left us Anjos',

595
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.679
I mean, you were before that
famous meeting where there was a cone.

596
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.639
It is unique alert in forty zero
people in Tenerife, which is what happens

597
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:27.440
to you with Enrique de Vicente,
who has also been here on mystery night

598
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.840
like a couple of months ago.
I interviewed him. There are places like

599
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:36.920
the ravine of Badajoz and in Tenerife, which are very famous for sightings of

600
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.360
Omni and some beings of light,
which is what happened to you Miguel how

601
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.760
it was fifty first the bank below
gave Sometimes I feel a little sorry that

602
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:49.000
when we divulge certain places, like
it was the badajot ravine that we divulged

603
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.599
in the white station at the end
becomes a center of peregriation, of people

604
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:58.800
who do not go with all the
disposition that should have and respect. I

605
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.039
' m going to the point of
life exactly, but suddenly I' m

606
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.400
on the show. I get production
people and they say look at me.

607
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.480
We got those three different messages for
you to pass on. But it'

608
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:14.159
s very curious because the three messages
from three groups that theoretically connected with extraterrestrial

609
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:15.840
beings said the same thing. They
were all from the Peninsula, which they

610
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.920
had no idea where. And another
was from the Canary Islands, and the

611
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:28.320
message read 23 April, 22 hours
Punta del Hidalgo. I was very struck

612
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:32.519
by the coincidence. I didn'
t believe it, obviously, but by

613
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.440
chance, along with Enrique and Vicente, I had to go give lectures on

614
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.079
those dates and on April I told
him on April 23rd. But where I

615
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:44.079
said we go even if it was
a place I already knew that place,

616
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.000
a place where a lot of weird
things happened. We told no one.

617
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:52.920
We were three people in the car, we arrived there to place you a

618
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:57.039
rocky beach of stones, two mountains
opposite that called it the two brothers.

619
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.239
I think very wild on the beach
and suddenly it starts to reach people,

620
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:07.480
but lots of people and up to
fifty people with tello and we asked him

621
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:09.360
how I got here, dis what
you do here not in a place.

622
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.199
I' m gonna go through something
and we' re here. I wasn

623
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.679
' t quiet because I didn'
t want my voice recognized, no,

624
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.920
but, well, when we started
talking and you already saw us getting rich,

625
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:20.800
no, but if the one on
the radio is here, I don

626
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:21.920
' t know how many, I
don' t know what I said.

627
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:25.880
Well, well, the heat was
covered nine and a half of the night

628
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.000
every government. Suddenly lightning starts coming
from the two mountains that there were and

629
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:36.239
the canaries that are very novel,
like me leaving and being there and saying

630
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.599
no, uncle is that is a
storm that we were not seeing and are

631
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:45.039
lightning from behind the storm. But
there was a cop carrying a super giant

632
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:50.000
flashlight and starting to signal those lightnings
three and two and the rapper answering one

633
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:52.559
and four. And the real thing
I was saying is this isn' t

634
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:59.039
lightning. No, all of a
sudden, the Caesarbon lightnings and at ten

635
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.519
to five. The sky opened,
it was all full of clouds. Ten

636
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:07.239
in points Behind that mountain rises a
bicharraco like the sun. When it dawns

637
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.599
it gets five hundred meters from the
coast of us on the line of the

638
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.920
sea, swinging. I was wearing
if you saw Enrique, going crazy hugging

639
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:16.559
in there, iller the truth,
I was taking him off my back.

640
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.960
Let me Henry, let me I
had a camera target TV with a target

641
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:27.360
shot of 300 and I saw niquily
that inside that sphere that had a lot

642
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.559
of light, there were things that
were moving inside and around. I time

643
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:35.360
download one reel of thirty- six
load another. I took seventy- two

644
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:43.000
photographs and it was there for eight
or ten minutes babbling and suddenly it got

645
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.760
into the water. Get in the
water. He provoked a ball that had

646
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:52.159
never come to us, which was
something physical. I had to leave because

647
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.039
Enrique started the show. He stayed
with the rest of the people. There

648
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:59.760
were no mobile phones then, but
they found me the next day that that

649
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.679
sphere had gone out from under the
sea. He got back on the sea

650
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:07.000
line and stuck a stampede up an
incredible speed. Don' t see how

651
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:12.360
crazy I was in the richo with
that story, of course, there'

652
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:14.000
s more waiting for you I,
Sandwichez, have a dream. Very clear,

653
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:16.719
very clear, very clear. I
don' t know if the movie

654
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.920
Encuentros in the third phase had already
emerged, or I don' t remember

655
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.840
it, but I saw that we
had to make in the Teide a montage

656
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:29.800
with lights and sound and call people
to go or. That same day.

657
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.119
In the morning I went with Enrique
to the area and it was full.

658
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:36.840
Henry didn' t go in the
morning with me, but I wanted to

659
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:38.679
see what had happened there by day
and suddenly rco. There were navy ships,

660
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:44.920
the helicopter flying over all that and
I said milks here something weird happened.

661
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.840
In the afternoon I opened with the
comrades at noon I went to the

662
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.320
Mira station. I' d like
to do this at the Teide and I

663
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:58.440
was told by the comrades is impossible. It' s Calino National Park Monoco

664
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.559
wanted to do a model parade.
He' s not gonna handle you.

665
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.880
Impossible, but I was still with
the idea. In the afternoon he had

666
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.599
an interview with the civil governor of
Tenerife. I tell him and the God

667
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:15.920
goes crazy either as I was said
Adelandre Miguel wow and we set the date

668
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:20.400
for the twenty- first day of
June in the Teide. I was a

669
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:25.119
month earlier. What a year,
eighty- nine, sixty- nine,

670
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:30.760
eighty- nine. I was a
month earlier preparing with the buses to get

671
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.000
where we were going to put the
field hospitals, an incredible plan. The

672
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:37.960
day' s not coming. We
thought it was going to be five zero

673
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:43.440
people in the park at five o' clock in the afternoon and I got

674
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:45.360
a call from the General of the
Civil Guard. Miguel says where you are.

675
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.480
I mean the place. You'
re not gonna be able to get

676
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:51.199
up there by helicopter Wow. Seven
o' clock in the afternoon. We

677
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:52.280
were beginning to say that people didn' t come up anymore. When I

678
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:57.760
was going with a helicopter, the
whole road collapsed, the ships coming from

679
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.559
different parts of the different islands.
All complete, because we were talking about

680
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:06.440
it on television and on the show
and it was an absolutely incredible call.

681
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.440
I was told that there were people
coming from Germany, from the North,

682
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.880
from Europe, from the Peninsula,
obviously, and from all the islands they

683
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.039
had come to have i came up. We started to say that people didn

684
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.519
' t go up because there was
more room and I asked the general of

685
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.360
the terminal and when people went up, they had thirteen zero cars and I

686
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:24.599
don' t know how many eggs. He told me and says there are

687
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:30.159
more than forty zero people here.
At that moment I began to pray everything

688
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.360
I knew, because if that sphere
that we saw on the beach came to

689
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.519
appear there, it would have been
incredible, because I told you more,

690
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.880
there were people who came in trucks
and I approached them and asked them that

691
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:45.280
he never said it was an alien
contact, but an original communication experience.

692
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.519
That' s how we announced it. I was asking the people here you

693
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.000
came in wheelchairs in trucks. Imagine
not being covered by extraterrestrials, whether they

694
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:59.519
don' t happen, but the
one we' ve messed up started the

695
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:01.760
experience. There were several lights in
the t that I prayed everything that the

696
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:06.719
rosary knew, everything that Father Master
knew, everything, so that those things

697
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:12.840
that we had seen did not really
appear. And well, it was an

698
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.880
amazing experience. Few things were seen, but it has been the most important

699
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:20.280
call that has been made the history
of the radio with forty zero people left

700
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.039
in the park. Excuse me,
we were afraid that they would leave everything

701
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.599
completely clean and that the people of
the park told me, Miguel, whenever

702
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.480
you want to celebrate again hear,
what do you think then and I skip

703
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.360
the script a little bit. Well
here' s this program that scripts aren

704
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:38.599
' t there, Miguel, what
do you think then? What' s

705
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:44.519
going on with mystery journalism, because
look at what you' ve messed up

706
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.320
forty- zero people looking up into
the sky, I think it' s

707
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.320
the most beautiful thing in the world. All of a sudden, forget where

708
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.119
we are in this technified world and
so it' s a slam and sit

709
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:58.320
and look at the stars, like
our grandparents did and how our nstre did

710
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:00.519
And why do you think mystery journalism
has evolved, so these things don'

711
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.719
t happen anymore and they don'
t look. And it' s like

712
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:07.960
people live in each other' s
bubble and connect because of this YouTube thing

713
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.159
or something or I don' t
know what, but things like that don

714
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.559
' t happen anymore, why you
think this has changed so much. Miguel

715
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.719
' s a pain. Race journalists
like You, who were going to go,

716
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.719
have been lost, including me to
the places and that we ran and

717
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.159
that on many occasions I, during
many of my travels, was born not

718
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:30.039
even photographs. I said that I
wanted to keep it in mind and especially

719
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.199
in my heart, that I did
not need to show anyone that I had

720
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:37.159
been with the Piaros in the Amazon
or with guacha a mano. Then the

721
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.039
technology came up and it had to
be told. No, but it'

722
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.639
s a shame. I am,
I am proud of the blank space,

723
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:47.639
because thanks to the blank space,
a new wave of journalists has emerged.

724
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.119
Just as there are political journalists who
engage in fashion or sports. There is

725
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:58.119
a quarry of mystery journalists, some
of whom give few, who are reporters

726
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.280
and who come up with them.
Others, as you say now, already

727
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:05.079
sit at home, go on YouTube, take out four videos and make a

728
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.079
show they have. I don'
t know how many thousand visitors have missed

729
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:09.639
that a bit and it' s
a shame, no less or bad,

730
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:15.840
that there are still people like you
including me and the stoneman and others who

731
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:21.480
walk. That' s where the
interviews are cured, they' re going

732
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:27.679
to see the witness, they'
re asking him, and they' re

733
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:28.159
bringing up important issues, good thing, but we' re in a piece

734
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:30.239
of sintio. I think yes,
it' s a shame, because the

735
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:35.480
worst thing is that I feel exactly
the same as you is like going to

736
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.440
live and feel the mystery, taking
a backpack and a camera and saying come

737
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:43.440
in for miles to see that it
comes out and comes out. That'

738
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:46.360
s getting less and less, because
the whole generation that are now emerging from

739
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:51.760
youtuber and such neither travel, nor
live the mystery, nor lenne nor anything

740
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.079
at all, that is, God, forgive me, but that' s

741
00:54:54.360 --> 00:55:01.480
the reality. I, on that
trip to Zamora we have that made for

742
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:06.360
Manzamora in a theater, not that
last week, not that even the bishop

743
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.559
of Zamora has gone. Imagine the
bishop of Zamora in a blank space,

744
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:15.480
in a program of mystery. How
good or were there some youtuber not and

745
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:20.440
I referred to some uncle cases where
the faces of seeing them came from?

746
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:23.480
What' s that? The stones
are coming. But, Uncle You,

747
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.599
what do you go through life and
have a channel where you have it.

748
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.679
I don' t know how many
thousand followers, where you get the information,

749
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:35.480
where you get those wonderful videos that
most of them, God forgive me.

750
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.719
They' re either lies or they' re a mons tar of liking

751
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:42.239
things. But this is what we' re about. No, but,

752
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.320
well, unfortunately, it seems he
did what we' re going to do.

753
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.480
But I hope that one day you
realize that reality is not on those

754
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.400
screens, but that you have to
open your eyes and, like you say,

755
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:53.880
put on your boots, walk your
eyes to see and discover the world

756
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:58.960
and the mystery that is there.
Yeah, sure, and that' s

757
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.639
what makes us human. Yeah,
plus, you get involved in the magic.

758
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:06.039
Not this stuff about being locked up
and not doing anyone else' s

759
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:08.119
shit. But that' s all
I see today and, unfortunately, already

760
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:14.760
the world of magazines and everything else
is migrating to YouTube and Youtuber and we

761
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.119
' re left four kids who make
radio shows and that' s it.

762
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.320
This is the reality. But good
for everyone on the radio who does this,

763
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:27.920
thank God, we' re doing
pretty well. Hey, we'

764
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:31.960
re gonna keep walking Latin America good. What do you think of this reflection

765
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.159
by Miguel Blanco and this other onion
flight that I know. But it'

766
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:39.840
s true, journalism is becoming more
and more sad. I mean, no

767
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.239
one confirms what' s going on, no news, no stories. He

768
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:46.760
doesn' t want to see things
that aren' t mystery that this week

769
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:52.559
of a brutal fake. Besides,
but it' s not over. I

770
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:57.159
mean, it' s all YouTube
and blah blah and he puts a kid

771
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.360
in there and he' s got
that, yeah, millions of hits and

772
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:05.079
followers and he' s doing great. But not a question is to take

773
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:08.360
a notebook and take note and interview
people talk to human beings, well and

774
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:12.480
then try to interview them that they
don' t want either. Or they

775
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.239
live in a bubble, man,
I' m sorry about that. I

776
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.360
mean, I don' t understand
the world, or I' ve become

777
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:22.119
a grumpy old man, because it' s also possible that I don'

778
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:25.639
t really understand the world, I
mean I can' t understand it,

779
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:30.280
man, they' re from the
islands of thought that stay in a monk

780
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:34.559
where these people live, in their
bubbles, that very respectable the work they

781
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.760
do, but always to me that
they talk about this kind of phenomena and

782
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.119
people that make communicative products without being
journalists. Of course, it' s

783
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:43.719
not that I don' t need
to have the mega studios to make content

784
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:45.559
on YouTube, but I do try
to do it with a certain rigor and

785
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:49.880
professionalism. I think it' s
important and a professor who had at the

786
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.719
University of Juan ge told me that
the big difference between journalists was the context

787
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:59.119
you gave to people who consumed the
journalistic product you made. And that and

788
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.119
that I think that that reflection that
you do is very valid, Juange,

789
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:07.480
because I see that mainly in a
network that Stiktok that, unfortunately, because

790
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:13.559
lately I have consumed it more often, because of the content that has been

791
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:19.320
related to my professional work in this
network. And I see that specifically,

792
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.239
in this space and good and also
in others, information focuses a lot on

793
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:28.800
the initial impact without giving a context, without even giving a source, which

794
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:32.960
I think is something primordial in journalism. Journalism is a source and information is

795
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:39.679
very superficial. Also people who consume
the content and contrast it. Everything stays

796
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:43.400
that way. I mean. Also, if I' m going to tell

797
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:47.039
a great truth exactly hidden beyond the
ice walls of Antarctica, it gets away

798
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:52.039
there freaking amazing wow, so exactly
I mean, the world is stupidizing itself

799
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:59.960
to an absurd level. Or then
try to talk to one of these,

800
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.920
Youtuber, that many have millions of
followers and talk to him. He'

801
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:08.239
s good to talk to you about
how Miguel Blanco used to say, he

802
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:10.960
starts talking about cases and stories.
They have an idea, they haven'

803
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:16.559
t read a book, nothing.
It' s brutal and they' re

804
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:22.800
razing. It' s terrible.
This communication phenomenon is terrible. I don

805
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:28.519
' t know if three zero or
four zero, but that the degradation of

806
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:32.440
the information is in place, that
is, it' s how the information

807
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.920
is degrading and so on, and
how they are creating more and more groups

808
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:44.639
and these kind of characters or either
pretty faces or people who speak well and

809
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.440
well, but who have no soul. Uncle for me they have no soul.

810
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:50.760
I' m not very sorry.
I mean, I had a million

811
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:55.519
followers and I' d earn$
300, 000 a year. We hit

812
00:59:55.559 --> 01:00:01.599
some expeditions and some trips and you
would tell me ARIE, please, Rua,

813
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:07.239
Zimbabwe and I was doing the program
right now in the temples of Ancor

814
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:13.719
in Campolla. Have it very clear
is worth to understand the kemery culture how

815
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.159
they were able, for example,
to sleep the monsoons more than a thousand

816
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:21.239
years ago, which no one can
explain I is to be a direct ingo,

817
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.039
a couple also to do effectively,
not and do things like that,

818
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:30.119
but do not man these kinds of
people, that is to say forget and

819
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:30.639
before the pause you judge a danger
that is in the budding. When artificial

820
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:36.480
intelligence is more refined and that content, they do it only ias and not

821
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:39.840
even a componti I prefer the bunch
of assholes that there are you I tell

822
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:45.679
you you know yes, I prefer
artificial intelligence, i mean, at least

823
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.079
I know it' s a machine, but these ones that have no soul

824
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:51.800
and are human don' t bother
me. Maximum man is that he'

825
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:58.159
s freaking out. I mean,
freaking out. Anyway, and we were

826
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:02.880
talking to Miguel Blanco about the degradation
of journalism and the truth that I totally

827
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:08.199
and absolutely agree with him. They
haven' t gotten me into a world

828
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:13.199
where the news is already directly on
the web and what happened in reality,

829
01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:19.079
people don' t give a shit
and it' s that sad who actually

830
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.719
here we' re going to follow
four onboard flights doing other kinds of things.

831
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:25.079
Anyway, I hope this lasts a
long time. Well, gentlemen,

832
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:30.280
and the interview with Miguel Blanco continues
ah I do know that there is an

833
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:34.679
experience that you' ve counted seven
million times that it' s hyperminal,

834
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:37.519
but it' s my turn to
tell you seven million a good one.

835
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:42.079
I know you' ve been in
touch with the Santeria at such a point

836
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:46.840
and this he never publicly told.
I went to guanabacoa in Cuba, Cuba,

837
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:52.480
from the Cot of Santería. Thanks
to Miguel Blanco. I went to

838
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:57.679
Cuba. Miguel Blanco passed me his
contact I am speaking Miguel Juraría of the

839
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:06.199
year two thousand two. I'
ve lost track of time or my best

840
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:13.440
man. That was water to navacoa
I freaked him out. I loved it.

841
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:15.360
I don' t remember what that
gentleman you recommended was like. I

842
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:20.440
don' t remember his name.
He hasn' t left yet, yes,

843
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:23.679
godfather, I didn' t know. Well, he threw out my

844
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:27.639
divers, which are snails, he
read me the future. He told me

845
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.760
a number of things. It was
a wonderful experience. I was in a

846
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:35.599
line there of people and everyone was
going to ask them their stories, because

847
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:39.840
he also did healing and I understood
the Santeria in that place. Then I

848
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:46.159
was with a pallet, too.
That was trinity. That' s what

849
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:50.039
it' s like. You also
recommend her yes, yes, yes,

850
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:57.440
there smoking her wall and reading me
in her pods And so that was my

851
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.639
approach to Santeria. I was twice
in Cuba and thanks to the contacts that

852
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:06.559
Miguel Blanco passed me, because I
could live that, that magic between the

853
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:14.119
African and the European, the indigenous, that amazing mixture. But it is

854
01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:16.679
that you, besides going to Cuba
and living those kinds of things that thanks

855
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:22.039
to your contacts, I was able
to live them, I was in a

856
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:27.199
country that today is practically impossible to
go, because insecurity is absurd, that

857
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:30.400
is Haiti, there are types of
grace. It is a country that has

858
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:31.960
fallen what they call the Fourth World, that is, total chaos, dominated

859
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:37.199
by criminal gangs, where the power
of the government army is virtually null and

860
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:42.280
void. And it' s a
shame because people say it' s a

861
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.119
wonderful country. How was your experience
in Haiti and how it gives you the

862
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.320
point of direit to investigate there,
which also the dangerous. Of course I

863
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.039
' ll leave you whatever you want
to count as soon as you do.

864
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:55.880
I' ll tell you about Cuba
first. I am that with the fart

865
01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:00.840
the first time as in the caravayal
that we accompanied me made of my travels,

866
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:05.519
the godfather throws what I think to
you records me and it is a

867
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:09.920
series of things, that tremendous things. I' m not leaving. I

868
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:14.000
told him human, he has no
idea my son day at all. At

869
01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.840
six months, exactly what he said
to me begins to happen to me.

870
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.320
I got on a plane and I
went looking over there. I told Godfather,

871
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.039
you' ve got me to pacify
with me. Whatever you want started

872
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:30.800
me. You know there' s
a series of initiations, and that'

873
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:36.840
s what allowed me to open the
way to other Caribbean azo religions, like

874
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:42.320
the Budu. I was going to
say a television series in the Amazon,

875
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:46.920
in Mexico, in a television series
and we had contacts in Haiti with a

876
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:54.039
member of the Spanish embassy who was
trying to contact us with the second most

877
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:59.400
important Brujo bocor on the island.
Memories. I think we' d get

878
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.920
to the Amazon the whole world'
s equi or dust. We got to

879
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:06.440
the embassy and they phoned that glentur
guy Never was called or called and time

880
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:11.800
started to tell me on the phone
also things that I drew, things from

881
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.960
my life mostly past, that shocked
me a lot as if I knew me

882
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:19.920
there. Evidently, my contact at
the embassy had not told anything about me

883
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:25.119
and this guy did not recognize anything
and he was commissioned from the embassy that

884
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:30.360
it was an infinite honor for him
to accompany me the next day to seek

885
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:35.159
temples of Budu where they performed authentic
Budu rituals. I was hoping to meet

886
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:39.719
you. The people of the team
left her resting because we came very tired

887
01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.760
and from behind that we had an
interview with the newly appointed President of Haiti,

888
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:47.679
a country like you say tremendously dangerous
and I go to the cost that

889
01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:53.159
I had rented to see this type
and I thought a spiritual guy and he

890
01:05:53.239 --> 01:06:00.280
presents me a guy with greedy chains, telling good things missing the tooth in

891
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.760
the mouth to appear a pirate.
Every once in a while Miguel was telling

892
01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:09.719
me he wants to see a witch
with three feet high ceilings. I was

893
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:14.039
saying to you we' re going
to what we' re going to.

894
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:16.119
You want to see a devil and
I didn' t want him at all.

895
01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:20.559
They weren' t with him for
like six hours in different places and

896
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:25.440
in one place we connected with what
we wanted to record. Suddenly, at

897
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:29.239
a time when he says we'
re going to see my cousins, he

898
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.639
made me want to buy a bottle
of rum and candles that took us fat

899
01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:34.679
and didn' t have to pay
him. That went wrong to get me

900
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:41.599
money. I had to buy it
himself and suddenly we came to an absolutely

901
01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:46.199
scary place, which I remember we
had to wait for some sort of waiting

902
01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:49.320
room and suddenly the door opened and
came out of a couple of colored people

903
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:53.639
I looked at the lady' s
face I was carrying a tremendous shock letter.

904
01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:57.320
Shall we go into a room a
little more? Now I' ll

905
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.239
explain to you why we' re
going into a room a little bit more?

906
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:01.400
Great? It was all filled with
baby paintings, which are Wudu'

907
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:08.079
s paintings. And in the middle
of the room was what I call a

908
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:13.320
shoebox, but large, about a
meter fifty high, two meters long and

909
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:18.800
a meter and a half wide.
And they tell me here that where you

910
01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:25.480
' re going to see the devil, I say milk and leave me up

911
01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:26.960
there you can go inside the box. I was touching to see what was

912
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:33.639
there and there were a lot of
blood stains, there were several human skulls,

913
01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:39.159
there were scissors, there were tarot
letters He told me here where you

914
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:39.880
' re going to see a session
that you' ve never seen. He

915
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:46.000
told me gele closed and they started
with a ceremony to sing in I believe

916
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:50.199
to move a maraca and, suddenly, in a finished moment inside he starts

917
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:56.000
to hear a loud voice and skated
his r and I say this is very

918
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:59.280
rare. I thought this was a
trick. There' s a hose I

919
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:01.679
haven' t seen and out there
and he' s trying to fool me.

920
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:06.079
No. The ceremony was very long, a lot determined, without several

921
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:12.280
voices inside saying the devils are fighting
and Glin took a knife, put it

922
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:15.359
on top of the box and calmed
down. I said jo how weird all

923
01:08:15.439 --> 01:08:20.319
this is, but at a certain
point they told me what the bottle of

924
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:26.279
rum you brought and the candles is
an offering you' re going to make

925
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:30.079
to the devil. Not because but
be careful, because you have to go

926
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:33.520
down the cortinita that there was and
when you feel that something grabs it will

927
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:35.560
let go, because the devil is
so strong that he can rip your hand

928
01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:40.520
out. You said this guy'
s kidding me. No, but they

929
01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:43.680
evidently lifted the curtain a little bit. I put the bottle of rum and

930
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:45.960
something from inside. He took it
very hard and so with the candles.

931
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:49.800
I didn' t say there'
s something inside. Previously there was nothing.

932
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:54.920
No, and it was funny because
they started talking about that devil.

933
01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:59.079
He started talking in creol with the
people who were there and as if he

934
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:01.479
saw me from inside and if he
was who he was, and they told

935
01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:04.039
him the charge that I had inside
the Santería, saying, the permission because

936
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:09.039
I have to be ritual issues of
that Cuban enteria. Yes, and they

937
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:13.399
told him that Miguel, the white
boy who came to see you from Spain,

938
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:15.760
and then the guy started, changed
and he started talking in French and

939
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:23.039
then in Spanish. No one you' re catching Lucas' s bella anybody

940
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:25.079
amazing and told me little boy,
what do you want. You want to

941
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:28.960
kill your wife. I' m
not married, I didn' t see

942
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:30.319
what was going on. I only
heard one voice. You have some enemies

943
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:33.279
and we prepare him to kill him. No. No, I was just

944
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:38.800
saying I came to see you.
I want to see you the black ones

945
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:40.560
that were with me out of the
box. You can' t see that

946
01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:45.479
it' s very dangerous, but
I insisted, insisted on insisting and the

947
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:48.880
guy told me things about my life
that left me absolutely amazed, from the

948
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:51.560
past, that were true and from
the future. He said you' re

949
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:55.600
going to make a serious lung disease. You' re going to be about

950
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:58.199
to take you to death and you' re going to lose the house,

951
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:00.720
you' re going to lose the
company, etcetera. I didn' t

952
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:05.520
believe anything, but the time came
when I wanted to see him so much

953
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:10.760
that they put in front of us
and the box a salt barrier and raised

954
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:14.439
the curtain and in the background appeared
a guy of one meter twenty of height

955
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.840
more or less small, white,
very white, very white, very old,

956
01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:24.039
with his eyes injected in blood and
with a knob of a chin match

957
01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:28.520
called he put himself to the edge
of the box and raised his hand,

958
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:29.880
extended his hand towards me. I
didn' t want to touch him,

959
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:31.520
but I got hit. You can' t touch him and I' ve

960
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:33.199
been watching him. How I'
m looking at you now in the Chamber.

961
01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:39.560
With my eyes coming out of the
bitarra area, they closed the box.

962
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:45.000
The ritual ended and they said goodbye
and quickly lifted the curtain and there

963
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:46.960
was nothing, There was not even
the rum that I had given you notice.

964
01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:54.800
I told Gelin I was offered to
record the ritual of my newborn sacrifice

965
01:10:54.840 --> 01:11:00.399
or sixty dollars for sixty dollars,
which can be. Obviously, we didn

966
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:05.000
' t want to do that.
I offered him$ 3, 000 to

967
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:11.479
record to the devil that for them
it was timely a fortuno and with the

968
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.920
plan that they carried to draw money
from all sides, it was divisible that

969
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:15.600
they looked at each other. I
said good. Looks like we asked the

970
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:19.359
devil. Tomorrow we tell you something
the next day that we had met with

971
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:23.159
him to keep recording things from Google. The devil said he didn' t

972
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:26.079
want to record and I couldn'
t do it. On that trip I

973
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:31.239
have been six times more in Haiti, trying six times, because the toughest

974
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:35.800
places, the most tremendous with people
of color who went down the street and

975
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:40.720
called you white. Like here in
Europe, it is in the derogatory term

976
01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:43.920
that weighed a blackie. You don' t tell him there' s no

977
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:46.760
pleasure and I called himself white and
they looked at you in a way that

978
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:50.720
you had to pass your head playing
my life and I never got until the

979
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:55.000
last trip. I went there,
because ah he won' t forgive.

980
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.319
Last trip. I was like on
the job. I don' t know

981
01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:00.840
if it was the same place,
but right away, you were gonna realize

982
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:04.000
that Lend never wanted to take me
back to that place. He agreed after

983
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:10.600
much to insist on it with Manuel
Carrayal and we realized that well, the

984
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:15.680
paraphernaria was similar, but that there
was a trick in that experience, which

985
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:18.079
was not at all similar. It
resembled a little, but not a similar

986
01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:24.199
argada. What I had was a
box too and there was a curtain that

987
01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:28.039
divided the box. Then I realized
I saw it from the outside, that

988
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:30.840
it was much longer what I saw
from outside the box, what was seen

989
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:39.920
from inside. They did the parupe
and when theorically that devil appeared, it

990
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:42.000
was not at all what I said
I saw is very dangerous. You can

991
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:46.319
' t see it. We wanted
to see him and a naked black man

992
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:50.319
with a gigantic manly limb appeared.
That called us all the theory and crawling,

993
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:55.199
but it had nothing to do with
that devil I' d seen before.

994
01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:01.760
Interestingly, after that trip, I
don' t know the time six

995
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:06.479
trips after Haiti, I go back
to Spain and everything that the devil had

996
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:12.600
prophesied to me happens to me.
Previously I had a serious illness that had

997
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:16.560
seventeen days between life and death.
One of the doctors listening to the program

998
01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.159
said Miguel where he' s been. We don' t know what you

999
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:24.760
got. They thought it was superculosis
AIDS, a cancer. In the end

1000
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:29.319
they knew it under seventeen days,
I lost the company, I lost the

1001
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.199
house I had as that devil had
said. For me it is proof that

1002
01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:36.279
that experience that YouTube in the devil
had been something true. How strong I

1003
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:40.520
mean. I believe that with the
Santeria and you have lived it in Cuba

1004
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:44.159
and especially in Haiti, with the
Budú, I believe that they open doors

1005
01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:49.640
to the unknown and, moreover,
that in religion it is African American.

1006
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:55.159
There is a part of light and
a part of shadows, and those who

1007
01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:58.880
cultivate that part of shadow, because
they come to do things that I cannot

1008
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:01.520
understand, but that are there exactly. There' s no need for me.

1009
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:05.239
Precisely this Saturday I will do a
program about Budú with Vicente Romero,

1010
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:12.319
that race journalist who has been several
times in Haiti, Haiti. We'

1011
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:15.560
re going to do a program dedicated
to Haiti and the Budu. There is

1012
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:19.159
no mistake in the Afro- Caribbean
religions and the Budu, which is a

1013
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:23.319
religion with black magic and with all
that strange stuff that is done that has

1014
01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:27.319
nothing to do with religion. To
me, when they talk about Budu and

1015
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:30.199
say the little doll, it has
nothing to do with it. Budui and

1016
01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:33.840
Afro- Caribbean religions are part of
the oldest religions of right humanity and have

1017
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:40.439
nothing to do with magic. Here
too we Christians, Catholics, do magic

1018
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:43.359
and do black magic some of them, and it has nothing to do with

1019
01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:46.239
our religion. Let that be very
clear. Yes, of course, we

1020
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:51.560
will see all the African American religions, the umbanda, the bat that are

1021
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:56.520
Brazilian, the Santería that is Cuban, the Budo, that sung, the

1022
01:14:56.520 --> 01:15:00.800
piano, the candomblé, the cult
of Santa María Lionza in Venezuela, are

1023
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:04.279
religions Venezuela that there are. That' s why there are dark people in

1024
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:08.319
those religions. Look, I know
the example I set. There were criminals

1025
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:11.439
in the Vatican. That doesn'
t mean that all potatoes are killers or

1026
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:14.319
that priests kill people is worth it. In the Vatican you had to put

1027
01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:17.079
yourself on and there were good people
and this is exactly the same. Then

1028
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:23.279
all my respects to the people who
practice Buddha Santería any African- American religion,

1029
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:28.279
and all my repulses people who use
that like any other belief to do

1030
01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:32.439
wrong to others. I think I
do share it with you. Yes,

1031
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:36.640
sir, I subscribe to your words. Indeed, listen you have to ask

1032
01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:42.520
for that experience that I know is
super viral yours and such, but if

1033
01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:45.640
I don' t sleep tonight hey
we' re going to change. Yes,

1034
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:47.960
of course you say I have to
ask Miguel. Yes or yes,

1035
01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:53.680
of course, we' re going
to radically change a country. I'

1036
01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:56.640
m going to ask you about a
country I haven' t been to and

1037
01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:00.359
that I really want to know and
that I know that you' ve reflected

1038
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:02.800
in your book and it' s
India, because we' ve talked about

1039
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:08.319
darkness. Let' s go to
the light, let' s go to

1040
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:13.960
India, to that Ganges river,
to that benare where the corpses transmute and

1041
01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:19.279
go to heaven and their ashes go
to the Gange and a spirituality from which

1042
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:23.479
Buddhism defends. What have been your
experience, your experiences in India, Miguel,

1043
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:28.800
I have had many last ones,
because they are a country I have

1044
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:30.720
visited on several occasions. I am
not going to tell you, because they

1045
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:38.640
have been very good in the sense
that I said where spirituality is. There

1046
01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:41.600
are many people who happen to him, who happen to that shock that they

1047
01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:44.960
get there and they don' t
find the spirituality that we see in the

1048
01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:48.439
books, in the documentaries, which
is very different. The trip landed I

1049
01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:51.199
don' t know if it was
in Deli or Bombay. I think it

1050
01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:57.560
was deli. I spent three days
and the fifth day I say I'

1051
01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.479
m leaving here on a plane and
I' m going anywhere I couldn'

1052
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:02.720
t stand. Those you know why, because the people' s version for

1053
01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:08.840
everything, yes, I was looking
a little like those hippies travelers who were

1054
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:15.119
looking for spirituality to people, who
avoided yoga and health. What I found

1055
01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:20.760
dead was down the street that didn' t pick up dirt, a tremendous

1056
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:26.880
mogollón and I told you I said
I went to a station, I didn

1057
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:28.039
' t have the money to be
able to change the flight. I took

1058
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:32.680
a train that took me to Madras
and it' s called now and there

1059
01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:38.960
I found I was looking for the
trail of some great mice, as I

1060
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:45.359
calmed down a bit and already reconciled
with India and had translated the works of

1061
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.880
Hidu Chris Namorthy, who seems to
me one of the most amazing philosophers that

1062
01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:55.399
child they chose and who has taught
a lot. I was in Suashram and

1063
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:59.640
where Madame Labaski was, all the
people of the Theosophy, and there I

1064
01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:03.239
recognized myself a little, but one
of the hardest experiences I had and that

1065
01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:08.079
I recommend to all the people who
want to find death face to face,

1066
01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:14.520
is to go, to skate.
Those are goodies for NASII in Hindi and

1067
01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:19.399
you sit there on his skateboard.
It' s a series of steps by

1068
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:24.680
the river. Ganfe to watch what
happens and suddenly you find a procession that

1069
01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:30.079
arrives and trains a dead or dead
man some kind of stretcher. They put

1070
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.119
it in the river, wet it
a little and then upload it to a

1071
01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:38.079
pyre, depending on the money that
has the largest or smallest legs, with

1072
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:45.960
more perfumed or less perfumed firewood,
and you see how that corpse is cremated.

1073
01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:51.800
The smell is the smoke that comes
out what the dust that puts on

1074
01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:57.159
you is to meet death face to
face, but you realize how they live

1075
01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:00.560
it because they realize they know that
what remains there that then, besides,

1076
01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:04.640
you see a guy beating the corpse
so that it is made as soon as

1077
01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:10.439
possible ashes. Then they collect the
ashes to get into a bamboo reed and

1078
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:15.279
have it in the river. He' s finished his life cycle here and

1079
01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:20.560
begins another path. But for me
that was with European eyes, with that

1080
01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:26.079
fear that we have of death.
Not tremendous around here, but I was

1081
01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:29.720
very brave. Then I took a
boat and didn' t take a bath.

1082
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:31.279
In every river, every watercourse in
the world where I' ve been

1083
01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:36.720
bathing. Now I' ve been
more careful and I get caught by a

1084
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:42.399
little boy and I say let'
s see from outside a little cremations and

1085
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:46.239
above all, taking pictures that was
absolutely forbidden. I was a little away

1086
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:50.199
from the riverbank. I took some
pictures. It' s the corpses and

1087
01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:54.079
all of a sudden, the guy
sees that he took my clothes off and

1088
01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:56.840
threw me in the river and I
said no no or I' m crazy

1089
01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:58.439
used crazy, you haven' t
been the temple of monkeys to purify you.

1090
01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:00.560
I throw myself in the river.
They started darí and in the Nges

1091
01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:04.159
and suddenly I put a hug and
touch something you don' t know what

1092
01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:12.600
a dead guy or a piece of
corpse a piece of scared goddess corpse and

1093
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:15.680
told me it' s not the
corpses. The problem is the bosses who

1094
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.520
eat. The bodies I saw jump
into a bicharraco. In fact, they

1095
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:23.319
even enter sharks. The bull shark
enters from the sea by the Angel River

1096
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:28.760
and gets there to eat. The
cadavers were telling me a certain type of

1097
01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:31.760
people and either they don' t
have money to cremate themselves, or they

1098
01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:34.720
have contagious diseases. What they do
is that a stone around their necks beat

1099
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:39.039
and they have it in the river
and, obviously, that stone after a

1100
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:44.239
while. For a while it rots
away, the corpse floats and you find

1101
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:47.680
yourself a bloody corpse, like I
found myself. Those were the hard parts.

1102
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:54.239
No later I had a chance to
find myself, but I think it

1103
01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:58.279
had to be a wonderful lesson,
not in the sense of saying, but

1104
01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:00.199
death is one thing that will come
and maybe. Here in Europe we attach

1105
01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:04.319
too much importance to it. Nothing
but burning you or another step more in

1106
01:21:04.479 --> 01:21:10.840
life than life. There' s
a lot more to it from this van.

1107
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:13.720
They said it' s like the
suit. You don' t take

1108
01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:15.760
off your pajamas with what you'
ve been sleeping with at night, you

1109
01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:19.199
throw it to wash and with your
new body you go to other places,

1110
01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:21.720
not depending on what you' ve
done, karama, etcetera. Being on

1111
01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:26.600
one plane at another. No,
but then I' ve met absolutely spiritual

1112
01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:30.359
people. Well, leave it out
of this story. They' ve taken

1113
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:38.079
care of you if you bathe in
the cangel It' s okay Basically,

1114
01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:41.239
I have a lot of cattle ranching
I don' t know about India,

1115
01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:42.560
and I think maybe next year I' m going to go there for a

1116
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:46.399
walk. I don' t think
I' ll bathe the cangel, because

1117
01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:49.359
after this thing that has told Miguel
Blanco, because it' s enough to

1118
01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:55.039
make me sick, as if not, but yes, I want to go

1119
01:21:55.119 --> 01:21:57.800
to India to see the temples of
ka Jurado, to know the Rajasthan.

1120
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:00.319
And well, what happens is that
if it' s true that I interview

1121
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:04.560
you, well, I have many
friends who have been in India and everything

1122
01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:09.199
to me, many tell me this
not that it' s like because India

1123
01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:12.880
always sells you this spirituality of yoga
to the pods, such and many when

1124
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.800
they arrive, it gives them as
a kind of shock that that spirituality,

1125
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:17.880
because maybe it' s not so
much, or you have to live it

1126
01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:20.680
another way. Or I don'
t know. I have no idea,

1127
01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:24.720
I don' t have to go
and to be able to express my opinion,

1128
01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:29.159
what I hear is that, under
the eyes of us Westerners, it

1129
01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:32.439
is a cultural clash, because from
the point of view of aceptia it is

1130
01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.520
very different. It' s a
very different world from ours, because like

1131
01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:41.439
sixty percent of India, something like
that doesn' t even have exactly game.

1132
01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:45.680
So it' s a conception and
another society that works totally differently.

1133
01:22:45.399 --> 01:22:48.640
So I think it' s a
particular shock. Juan that here on Twitter

1134
01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:55.840
are sending us some listeners the proposals
of their trips, ideal ideas of the

1135
01:22:56.199 --> 01:23:00.800
triqueteria that they want to know here. Our friend Jaime Gutiérrez, a regular

1136
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:03.159
listener of this space, tells my
memories of my trip to Mexico between October

1137
01:23:03.239 --> 01:23:06.600
and November of two thousand twenty-
two. The most special ones are the

1138
01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:11.840
ones that I brought from the inscription
temple, where Pacal' s tomb is

1139
01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:16.359
located and shares some images here Matas
de Jaime anthropologist, a good friend that

1140
01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:19.399
even several times in the program would
be a strong embrace for him. A

1141
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:24.159
hug for him. Mccarlitos, who
listens to us from Ciudad Bolívar, a

1142
01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:29.359
hug for Matcarlitos, says he wants
to know the mountain range of the Lindosa

1143
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:32.159
and its pictograms in guabiare that I
am an enigmatic task to which he would

1144
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:35.199
like to travel. And Matt Carlitos
also says he would like to go to

1145
01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:42.039
the Insa pyramids in Cauca, pyramidaspira
of the Pyramid of Childhood. And Javier

1146
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:47.159
Mondragón Juange says he would really love
to see Easter Island and gives us some

1147
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:51.279
pictures of the moais. I think
wonderful you who had the opportunity to meet

1148
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:56.000
him, yes it is very beautiful, that is, Pascual is a real

1149
01:23:56.039 --> 01:24:00.359
wonder and you can be several days
running the island watching moay in Papón from

1150
01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:04.279
Maori culture, that is, it
is a wonder. And to close the

1151
01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:06.399
issue this of India is what many
people were saying to me, or what

1152
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:11.600
some people are going to say to
me is that it is a very heavy

1153
01:24:11.680 --> 01:24:15.640
contrast to the issue of spirituality and
such yoga all these pods and then they

1154
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:21.640
follow with a caste system that is
medieval that is supposedly, that is,

1155
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:27.439
it is obsolete between quotation marks.
Not that modern Hindu society and there are

1156
01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:30.119
people who have a lot of silver
that is not of the upper caste and

1157
01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:35.680
such, but that in many areas
still the caste system is superimplanted in all

1158
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:40.359
class. They told me, because
it is a shock that says well,

1159
01:24:40.479 --> 01:24:44.600
you stump spirituality and then, of
course, you also have the Buddhist part

1160
01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:47.119
of India, where already the spiritual
concept radically change. But, well,

1161
01:24:47.319 --> 01:24:51.520
you have to go, you have
to go see him to investigate his mysteries

1162
01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:54.159
that he has a lot. What
happens is that India is so great and

1163
01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:57.720
that earlier, for example, the
temples of Majarastra, all those that are

1164
01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:00.399
excavated in Rock, which is a
mystery of the cane, are Buddhists,

1165
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:06.560
but it is that it is a
lot of days of journey to see everything

1166
01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:10.800
enormous. And here finally, Alejandro
Aguirre burgeons and I know that he would

1167
01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:14.319
like to go to the United States
to get to know the Rankusking Walker,

1168
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:20.279
where he animates paranormal anomalies and supernatural
event, a lot. Indeed, we

1169
01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:26.520
are doing a magical walk through the
world by Miguel Blanco' s hand.

1170
01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:32.560
How beautiful it is to rediscover our
world and realize the magic that surrounds us.

1171
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:39.000
And the interview with Miguel Blanco continues
like this according to you you'

1172
01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:41.680
re fine- tuning your vibration level, you' re finding people of afinati.

1173
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.560
I don' t remember the saint
of flowers and I called him a

1174
01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:50.399
guy. This was nepal Ok.
I was there in a little baratite by

1175
01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:56.039
the river. It was for skating
that place. Now it' s a

1176
01:25:56.079 --> 01:26:00.600
tiny river that was supposed to cremate
the corpses. Much harder still in Kathmandu

1177
01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:04.119
than in Vennar. It is to
see that death, because much you know

1178
01:26:04.159 --> 01:26:09.319
much closer and it was a type
of food flowers that carried all his life

1179
01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:14.520
the last, I think, thirty
years, feeding only flowers you saw his

1180
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:21.840
face and it was a splendid face, the guy with a brilliant look that

1181
01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:28.680
touched you with a caress like the
most beautiful woman on the planet. It

1182
01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:32.399
was an incredible experience and as well
as with several people, I had the

1183
01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:34.680
opportunity to be with Jare Krisna as
well. I got a train wrong.

1184
01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:41.640
I showed up the example of the
Grisna jales and it was in India.

1185
01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:46.880
That was India, so their central
temple was not and was to see another

1186
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:51.960
kind of religion. I am very
interested in studying the different religions and again

1187
01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:56.640
it was another adventure with them as
well. That' s good, Michael

1188
01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:00.560
And aside from being unfaced with death, and that one you saw in India,

1189
01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:05.680
forgiveness in Nepal was Hindu or Buddhist. It' s a question I

1190
01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:09.760
want to ask you. And then
the other one. The other is how

1191
01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:14.840
it is an experience in an ashram
in India, which is an ashram that

1192
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:20.199
feels there, how it is.
Miguel Well, that guy was Hindu Hindu.

1193
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:26.800
And it' s very curious,
because all the people who follow religion

1194
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:30.239
have a series of missions. Not
first good, you' re born,

1195
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:33.159
you' re raised, you get
married a little, you have children,

1196
01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:38.720
you have to educate children, you
have to succeed in business life when you

1197
01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:42.199
' ve already done it. You
have the obligation, or many of them

1198
01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:45.880
choose the path of pilgrimage. Suddenly
they leave everything, they give up everything

1199
01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:50.680
and know that their family and they' re fine and they' re traveling

1200
01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:57.479
through the different sacred places of India
And I' ve found some of these

1201
01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:01.920
sadus are called shaus who suddenly talk
to them and tell you I was director

1202
01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:05.640
general of I don' t know
which Hindu company. I have three children.

1203
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:10.479
I had a super cool house in
deli or to see that. Hey,

1204
01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:14.159
it' s time for me to
dedicate myself and goodbye to the gods.

1205
01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:17.760
He' s got$ 33 million. They leave everything behind. They

1206
01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:23.119
have thirty- three million gods in
the Lindia. Imagine you have to choose

1207
01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:27.279
and the ace types absolutely don'
t. The other question you' ve

1208
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:30.479
told me what life is like in
a ra in an ance, I'

1209
01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:38.640
m telling you the truth. Yes, for me they get up to do

1210
01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:43.880
meditation all day five in the morning
eat very very, very, very boring.

1211
01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:48.560
In fact, I endured very little
time, but I was behind the

1212
01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:53.720
track of Saibaba, that saint who
performed miracles and did things, who was

1213
01:28:53.720 --> 01:28:57.520
in the fucking south of India and
it was curious I kind of didn'

1214
01:28:57.640 --> 01:29:01.079
t want him to go to his
arra. I' ve been to myself.

1215
01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:05.359
I think less than a kilometer from
Sai Baba' s super- known

1216
01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:08.680
ram, he asked and said no, man there' s no one here

1217
01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:13.680
calling and going to the people themselves. Three trips made to try to be

1218
01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:15.399
in ram city and I didn'
t make it. I' ve been

1219
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:19.319
in two different ploughs, one that
did yoga and I wish you wanted no

1220
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:27.359
one, as I tell you,
very boring ate badly slept a little bit

1221
01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:30.760
and preferred to be out being a
little bad more than naughty bad, which

1222
01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:30.960
is what I am. Pray.
That' s something else to see.

1223
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:33.760
Me next year to go to India. Next year to India and I'

1224
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:36.039
m going to see if I design
a route out there, there, now,

1225
01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:41.319
Nepal already passed me. Yeah,
I' d say a few yes,

1226
01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:45.359
because in Nepal there' s a
rajir guy named this is a normal

1227
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:48.000
guy, but he' s one
of the bright ones, he' s

1228
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:51.119
one of those bright people. He
is dedicated to guiding people through different journeys

1229
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:59.000
with him. I' ve got, we' ve got Tibet' s

1230
01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:02.319
open doors That' s good,
and it' s a guy you'

1231
01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:08.560
re talking to, and all of
a sudden it' s a phrase that

1232
01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:09.239
burns your brain, neurons, and
your whole Western thought scheme, and you

1233
01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:10.960
have to stop and think. And
I used to call him kings, give

1234
01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:14.720
me a second, I' ll
measure what you just told me, and

1235
01:30:14.720 --> 01:30:18.039
so one back and the other,
but without pretending like we' re talking,

1236
01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:20.000
I' ll give him a sentence
with a depth. He' s

1237
01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:23.800
a guy I love and one day
I' ll introduce you to go there.

1238
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:26.960
Yeah, it' s worth taking
people in India and Nepal. And

1239
01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:30.680
if you already dare Bhutan who say
it is the country of happiness, it

1240
01:30:30.680 --> 01:30:32.239
must be, because now I have
not been so much, I have been

1241
01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:35.319
told that it is a wonder,
but that it is very affectionate that Bhutan

1242
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:41.279
is. But errand, man,
but well, I can give you contact

1243
01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:44.279
that can make it easier for you
as soon as one thing tells me.

1244
01:30:45.119 --> 01:30:49.039
Many years ago I was in India. Suddenly we learned that they were opening

1245
01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:53.039
the border of Bhutan and Ian aber
place three days. I don' t

1246
01:30:53.039 --> 01:30:56.119
know if you can. It was
my TV. I was there then and

1247
01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:01.479
with a German we said come on, let' s go there and the

1248
01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:06.520
bug. I wanted to be the
first European to enter Bhutan. The guy

1249
01:31:06.600 --> 01:31:12.159
had the longest azacal than me,
and he beat me to shit, so

1250
01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:15.720
I had to sign it was a
book. But, well, then I

1251
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:18.600
' m back on a guided trip
and it' s an amazing country.

1252
01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:23.319
I didn' t say it was
a flame. Yeah, there' s

1253
01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:27.560
a place called tik tigerness. There' s a place where Buddha. One

1254
01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:30.199
of the places where full Buddha was
Tagernes is the place where the tiger sleeps

1255
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:34.800
and is a temple like a Sangri
La movie. You have to take a

1256
01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:38.800
tour of the mountain. It'
s got to get there and when it

1257
01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:41.159
gets there, you drop your drool
because you say go to the amazing place.

1258
01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:46.960
With that spirituality still authentic and patent. The thing is, he made

1259
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:51.479
it to TV. The guys,
all the men have to wear the typical

1260
01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:55.039
suit, which is kind of a
skirt, not in the morning, but

1261
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:59.720
in the afternoon. In the afternoon, they put on the jeans, the

1262
01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:02.920
clothes of s marks and the spirituality
is over. And it' s over

1263
01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:06.600
not so much, forgive spirituality,
but happiness. They say Bhutan' s

1264
01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:11.680
gross domestic product is happiness. Hopefully, continue to do so as long as

1265
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:15.199
we do not spoil it with tourism
and Westerners, or well, with general

1266
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:20.640
tourism. Bhutan is, say,
the great jewel of Himalayan Tibet, the

1267
01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:26.560
great jewel of Himalayan Him. And, well, it' s like one

1268
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:30.000
of the cradles of Buddhism where you
can live Buddhism in its purest expression,

1269
01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:34.960
with temples. I' ve seen
the pictures on some cliffs and some places

1270
01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:39.039
that seem to me to be a
fairy tale of uncles. Once incredible.

1271
01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:44.079
That of the cliff of thy Guernes
is the place where the tiger sleeps that

1272
01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:47.159
is amazing and then it is such
a close country. We were in some

1273
01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:51.960
temples there are kings still you know
and all of a sudden, with the

1274
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:56.119
people we were with. Fortunately,
you did not meet the kings who greeted

1275
01:32:56.239 --> 01:33:00.239
you as you passed you could not
touch him, but the bowing days did.

1276
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:03.600
Thank you very much for allowing an
honor to return to your country now

1277
01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:09.119
and perfectly. I don' t
mean, I' m going to keep

1278
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.560
it that way. There will be
tricks to make it cheap and you can

1279
01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:14.359
make a trip and guide two you
want to see Yes, next year I

1280
01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:19.640
will go and make the routes open. Something about preparation. Listen how wonderful

1281
01:33:20.199 --> 01:33:26.439
to talk to people like you,
who have had so many experiences in the

1282
01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:29.159
world so diverse and with so diverse
people, because I believe that what makes

1283
01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:31.159
us human is diversity. Today,
human beings, what we do not tolerate

1284
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:35.119
is diversity. And you think different
than I already want to kill us.

1285
01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:36.840
And you' re white and I' m black, I want to kill

1286
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:39.800
myself. And you' re Indian
and European. We have to kill each

1287
01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:44.840
other. That' s stupid.
But how wonderful to share that. There

1288
01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:47.600
are very few minutes left from the
interview and I want to ask you about

1289
01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:50.760
an area that you know very well
and so do I, which appears in

1290
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:54.239
your books. What did we talk
about? We' ve already talked about

1291
01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:58.560
jungles. We' ve been to
magical places, like Tibet and what it

1292
01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:04.199
' s like in the Himalayas Sorry
And is there a place I tell you

1293
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:09.880
or describe it as the phone to
talk to the gods? The Sahara desert,

1294
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:15.199
where the hermits were going to talk
to the gods. I know Algeria,

1295
01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:18.920
Egypt, Morocco, but you have
had more experiences, even in the

1296
01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:23.880
Sahara than I have. They'
ve told you about those famous genums that

1297
01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:27.760
are those demons that appear at night. What have been the experiences that Miguel

1298
01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:30.600
Blanco, in the largest desert in
the world, had, nine million square

1299
01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:35.640
kilometers. To be exact, I
would have had several. I' ll

1300
01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:40.600
tell you two if you want vouchers, Morocco would go. When I was

1301
01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:45.039
traveling, we arrived at bullymin,
which was the gate of the desert of

1302
01:34:45.039 --> 01:34:53.079
Morocco. There were some, I
don' t know if they were.

1303
01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:56.880
That' s why I didn'
t mean good. Let' s let

1304
01:34:56.920 --> 01:35:00.399
them be Berbers there, camped guests
from the desert and there was a child

1305
01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:01.960
that was crying, giving, and
I was talking to them and so and

1306
01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:05.800
the child crying and crying and crying
And suddenly I tell the person I say

1307
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:11.279
let me do something for him I
said okay. They were warming up the

1308
01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:13.399
tea, I say. Give me
a little of that water and get out.

1309
01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:17.399
They trade in salt. I picked
water and came out a clean handkerchief

1310
01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:23.960
that we wore in our backpacks and
passed him. They had all their eyes

1311
01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:29.079
full of flies. I cleaned my
eyes, both eyes instantly as if it

1312
01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:32.119
were something miraculous. The boy stopped
crying and the old man told me you

1313
01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:36.800
can consider yourself my guest. You
know that' s sacred in the desert.

1314
01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:42.680
The comrades who came with me had
to come back and I said uncle

1315
01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:45.800
I' m staying here. I
stayed with them for almost thirty- nine

1316
01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:51.239
days in the desert dandling that it
was an incredible experience. I remember the

1317
01:35:51.279 --> 01:35:58.239
first camel times. You know,
I was riding a camel and riding a

1318
01:35:58.319 --> 01:36:00.800
horse, but the first few days
of the camel, I was riding,

1319
01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:03.439
you were getting off, I was
smelling your body, and the guys were

1320
01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:05.960
starting to chat with each other.
I was going to say a word that

1321
01:36:06.039 --> 01:36:10.840
you' re riding the jaima I
want to lay down. I soon understood.

1322
01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:15.279
They carried dogs until the dogs didn' t sit in a finished place.

1323
01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:18.279
They didn' t ride the jaimas. They would pick up the dog

1324
01:36:18.279 --> 01:36:21.640
from the place where he had sat
and ride the jaimas and prepare everything.

1325
01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:26.960
Not because the dog says in the
animal that runs in places where there is

1326
01:36:27.039 --> 01:36:31.479
best energy, while the cat chooses
places nodia harder energy. I didn'

1327
01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:33.680
t hate them then. The first
few days I hated them. To say

1328
01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:40.720
I went to ride it, but
in them it was an incredible experience and

1329
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:44.520
they told me about their gins at
night. The experience in the desert is

1330
01:36:44.560 --> 01:36:48.640
absolutely fascinating, the lights that were
seen. In fact, this old man.

1331
01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:51.960
I thought he was an old man. He was one of the chiefs

1332
01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:57.920
of the non- middle tribe adopted. They didn' t cost me the

1333
01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:01.079
night they saw those gins, which
some are good, some others help them

1334
01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:06.319
bad. You have to be careful
with them. It taught me some stones

1335
01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:11.399
in the middle of saying I have
seen them a Britania were also full of

1336
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:15.720
petroglyphs that was not even catalogued,
where you saw a kind of sun,

1337
01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:21.760
a sun that only had rays down
and said is the sun. It looked

1338
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:27.399
more like a UFO you know with
the lights down. That was an experience

1339
01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:30.439
with them. I want to tell
you more stories, because there was everything

1340
01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:33.439
there. He wouldn' t let
me sleep with women. They were fighting

1341
01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:36.560
to sleep with me. Evidently,
I had nothing with them, because I

1342
01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:41.039
was very embarrassed, but they touched
me and because I had hairs that apparently

1343
01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:44.840
I didn' t have, he
liked to touch me very much and they

1344
01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:46.319
quarrelled about sleeping with me and I
looked at rocky said but they will see.

1345
01:37:46.600 --> 01:37:49.119
Don' t worry. Don'
t worry. He was telling me.

1346
01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:55.399
I say good and there I had
my holiness. He was protected absolutely

1347
01:37:55.439 --> 01:38:00.279
the whole trip. But good.
There are people who live in what is

1348
01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:04.039
apparently a barren land, but who
are full of life, it is worth

1349
01:38:04.079 --> 01:38:06.800
it is the Sakhara, which is. I love him, I love the

1350
01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:10.800
Sahara until several times and next year, if God wants good via Morocco.

1351
01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:14.000
Now in a couple of months and
next year, next year, some author

1352
01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:17.720
' s trip to Morocco and what
was the other experience you wanted to tell

1353
01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:21.399
me in the sacrament that you lacked
a Mauritania here and I have been in

1354
01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:27.000
many places, the Shahara. I' ve been told it' s a

1355
01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:29.960
tough country. They even say that
there is still a slave market and so

1356
01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:30.600
they say that one of the hardest
countries in the world is not going to

1357
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:38.199
travel. Yeah, well, we
were very protected. It was a humanitarian

1358
01:38:38.239 --> 01:38:42.720
aid expedition and we' re going
to operate cataracts and put glasses on people.

1359
01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:45.960
We' ve been carrying ninety people. Imagine and see our plane that

1360
01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:53.760
I put at our disposal. Most
of the time, surgeons went to certain

1361
01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:59.840
places, and there was a word
that doctors were coming to or imagine a

1362
01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:03.760
person. I played it from a
little old lady we picked up at a

1363
01:39:03.800 --> 01:39:08.680
school, which is where we were
settled. He spent two days without eating

1364
01:39:08.760 --> 01:39:11.640
or drinking, without talking to currucate. I felt very sorry for him.

1365
01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:14.079
I was trying to carry things and
the woman didn' t want anything.

1366
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:18.840
I had cataracts, blind and had
the privilege of helping in the operation because

1367
01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:24.239
the appearance of cataracts appeared a very
fast house and the surgeons, who were

1368
01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:30.560
people of an incredible level in Spain, did the operation and I cured it.

1369
01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:33.119
She was selling it, but when
you took off her bandage when it

1370
01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:36.800
was time for surgery, the woman
started to see if life. It'

1371
01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:41.600
s like he kissed my hand saying
that we were hinas, that we were

1372
01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:45.079
angels from heaven. We weren'
t back in sight. But in one

1373
01:39:45.079 --> 01:39:47.800
of the places, Chingetti, which
is one of the holy cities of Islam,

1374
01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:50.000
a city that eats it the desert, you have to go to be

1375
01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:53.880
a place because it is amazing.
There is a step, the step of

1376
01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:56.840
mooring, which they call the passage
of the devil, that cannot be passed

1377
01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:00.800
by at night, because there are
some things, tremendous, also a lot

1378
01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:03.279
of petroglyphs similar to those in Tasile. I recommend it. Let' s

1379
01:40:03.359 --> 01:40:09.479
not say that much so that I
didn' t know it any more key

1380
01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:15.760
that messed up but there was a
santon there, a sic that many people

1381
01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:20.479
from Africa were going to visit him, a guy who apparently had powers and

1382
01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:24.600
cured you of many things. I
don' t remember I went with the

1383
01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:27.119
pilot and we were several members of
the expedition to his house. He gave

1384
01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:30.880
the privilege and being not the guy
lets you touch him. He doesn'

1385
01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:33.279
t tell you a number of things. He says things to you, but

1386
01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:36.760
look at the funny stuff. When
we went out there much further from his

1387
01:40:36.760 --> 01:40:41.640
house, people would approach you,
kneel down and kiss your hand because they

1388
01:40:41.720 --> 01:40:45.960
said they felt the strength of the
sic that had pierced you to You.

1389
01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:50.760
That left me absolutely surprised, especially
the pilot and he was the person who

1390
01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:56.199
was with him the longest. Evidently, we had to give the note a

1391
01:40:56.239 --> 01:40:59.439
little bit because we were white and
a half that. No. But until

1392
01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:01.279
that trip, that part of the
trip, we had never been approached and

1393
01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:05.479
we had been knelt down when we
went up with him in lots of places,

1394
01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:10.279
they approached us, kissed our hand
and knelt down that yes that had

1395
01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:15.680
not transferred part of that energy,
which had an absolutely incredible experience. We

1396
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:19.479
were in Chiquita. It' s
already finished in the middle of that desert

1397
01:41:20.920 --> 01:41:26.000
and we were in a school all
the people, all the mission we had

1398
01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:30.239
and all of a sudden we got
from outside everyone here we were saying why

1399
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:34.600
they started coming from those Americans.
Two black planes had arrived without any signal

1400
01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:41.680
to the airport where we had our
plane there and left. I don'

1401
01:41:42.039 --> 01:41:46.079
t know how many rambos and we
had to leave them the place to sleep,

1402
01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:49.119
because they came theoretically to fight,
because in some parts of the desert

1403
01:41:49.119 --> 01:41:58.720
of that desert. In Mauritania there
were guerrillas and decillas and exiled people and

1404
01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:00.479
I know nothing more than that I
was going to say that I was given

1405
01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:05.000
nothing. Well, well, a
lot of amazing things. Ah well,

1406
01:42:05.039 --> 01:42:10.079
if the slaves, yes, it
is still a country where there was slavery.

1407
01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:16.279
They caught the blacks Mauritania, Senegal
is the border of Saharan Africa and

1408
01:42:16.319 --> 01:42:20.039
Black Africa and there were still people. The Spanish ambassador told us that we

1409
01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:25.199
were with, not that there were
people who had slaves. No, yes,

1410
01:42:25.279 --> 01:42:28.479
yes, yes, yes, that
had been sweetened before, but now

1411
01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:30.840
there is another dangerous one to go
again. That way, anyway, we

1412
01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:35.840
' ll take note to go someday. Miguel Blanco, thank you so much

1413
01:42:35.920 --> 01:42:41.279
for being part of mystery night here
in Caracol, Radio tremendously happy and proud

1414
01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:45.319
that it has been part of the
program and that you show to the thousands

1415
01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:49.279
of people who are going to listen
to this space, that the mystery has

1416
01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:54.119
to live it, that we have
forgotten to live it, that we live

1417
01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:58.439
in a virtual world, that it
is of cuche paper and that it is

1418
01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:00.119
not worth fucking putting your conclusion and
your closure friend and social networks, because

1419
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:03.319
if you want people to follow you
away from your space, Miguel Blanco,

1420
01:43:04.279 --> 01:43:09.039
of white space, podcasts, I
tell us a lot the net of but

1421
01:43:09.079 --> 01:43:14.359
good white space, that they look
for it out there and enjoy what,

1422
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thanks to Javier Sierra, we have
adopted the term or culture, the culture

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01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:27.039
of the occult that was throughout society
for tens of centuries and that since the

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01:43:27.119 --> 01:43:30.439
industrial revolution has forgotten and above all, that they stop looking at those little

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01:43:30.479 --> 01:43:31.479
panties and that they see life,
that they look to see and walk.

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01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:35.279
I don' t care about anything
else out there, but that' s

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01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:41.439
the way to share friends. Thank
you very much, a very big hug

1428
01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:46.199
thanks to You. You owe me
a visit to Spain and I remember when

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01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:50.319
I go and we share some trips
around the world. I' m sure

1430
01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:54.000
there will be a strong friend hug
for You, for all of the following.

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01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:58.039
Well, then, if God wants
in a month and a beak I

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01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:02.279
' ll have some reeds with Miguel
over there, in Madrid, what a

1433
01:44:02.279 --> 01:44:05.439
good interview. I don' t
mean it makes me forget to live,

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01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:08.600
as it' s true stain.
People forget to live it. I don

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01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:11.800
' t know if you' ve
seen viral images. No. Now,

1436
01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:14.520
all of a sudden, a concert, an event and everyone with their cell

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01:44:14.600 --> 01:44:17.760
phone nobody watches. No one directly
experiences it. See that there' s

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01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:23.079
one thing to freak out about doing
something, something so valuable that Miguel said,

1439
01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:26.439
and you, like a reporter,
know that you' ve done the

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01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:29.079
work in the field, too.
He said many times, neither I to

1441
01:44:29.279 --> 01:44:32.720
the House nor anything, because he
wanted my eyes to experience it firsthand.

1442
01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:39.000
I think that, especially today,
that we live so obsessed with networks,

1443
01:44:39.439 --> 01:44:42.560
with showing with me I recorded it, with me, I showed it with

1444
01:44:42.680 --> 01:44:46.640
record and they don' t live
it, they don' t feel it,

1445
01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:48.880
they don' t perceive it.
Starting to play by people who already

1446
01:44:49.000 --> 01:44:55.279
want the ultimate OMNI test to see
the OMNI look perfectly detailed, when that

1447
01:44:55.399 --> 01:45:00.319
is something absolutely look. One of
the stupidest things I' ve ever seen

1448
01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:05.439
in my life was once filming Machu
Pichus. The last time I was here

1449
01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:10.640
three times was about ten years ago. I wanted already from the time when

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01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:15.039
the selfi sticks were there and so
there was a couple. He took about

1451
01:45:15.640 --> 01:45:20.640
forty or sixty photos in Machu Pichu. They in Machu Pichu, they didn

1452
01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:26.199
' t take a picture of him
in ruin. All the pictures were theirs.

1453
01:45:28.880 --> 01:45:31.680
I didn' t tell them anything, but you' re about to

1454
01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:33.640
tell him, I mean, man, you don' t see where he

1455
01:45:33.640 --> 01:45:40.720
is. I mean, I'
m more important to you than Machu Pichu,

1456
01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:43.720
right, man, you take one
more picture, Chu Pichu, worth

1457
01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:50.039
the eighty that it takes you is
you in Machu Pichu, Holy God,

1458
01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:56.760
what pathetic egolatria is that? How
pathetic is that? We forgot to live,

1459
01:45:56.840 --> 01:46:00.000
we forgot, moreover, to experience
the magic of that kind of lugos

1460
01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:03.720
what shameful? Okay? I forgot
places I' d like to go.

1461
01:46:03.800 --> 01:46:09.439
India is very clear, Nepal is
very clear. Okay. For me,

1462
01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:13.079
the first one I want to go
is Cambodia. It' s worth going

1463
01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:18.039
to Cambodia, to see the temples
of Ancor or India, China, China,

1464
01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:23.399
I' d love to see,
my mother, the temples of Gudan,

1465
01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:25.760
a thousand things. There and there, and that' s just that

1466
01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:28.640
I think my big outstanding subject is
Asia. Then I' ll start there,

1467
01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:31.800
start going there. If God wants
everything, I' ll shoot over

1468
01:46:31.800 --> 01:46:34.880
there. Yes, yes, while
trying there, Nepal also in other places.

1469
01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:40.159
Anyway, Alejandra Bernalto conclusion of your
land, friend Jorge I reiterate envy

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01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:46.159
of the good stories of Miguel Blanco, of your experiences. You were privileged

1471
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:50.319
or part of living that period of
journalists who had the opportunity to make that

1472
01:46:50.359 --> 01:46:56.520
kind of trips I also remember and
although I have not been part of this

1473
01:46:56.560 --> 01:47:00.439
program, but we have brought it
to the master Roberto Torre and have another

1474
01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:04.079
great adventurer but our who reco loco
all Colombia. It' s a mystery

1475
01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:09.680
for years and he keeps doing it
exactly as Roberto. It is tireless and

1476
01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:15.560
it is that generation of journalists who
sadly is increasingly in disuse, They have

1477
01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:19.560
no space, they have no figuration
in networks But I think that for me

1478
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:27.359
it is very valuable to show not
only the experiences in new adventure, but

1479
01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:29.840
to live John is part of life. I mean, I think you should

1480
01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:31.199
look at what you said, which
I find very valuable. I never found

1481
01:47:31.239 --> 01:47:33.840
the ark. I never found it
in life, against it, but I

1482
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:36.840
have the experience left. It'
s the experience, the journey, the

1483
01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:41.000
adventure. That' s the most
important thing. I always tell. I

1484
01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:44.760
mean, I was talking to the
Jerusalem Conservative and he gave me permission to

1485
01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:47.399
look for the ark to make a
documentary. With good not to get the

1486
01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:53.960
money then it is worth and to
have been in Jerusalem a couple of times

1487
01:47:54.079 --> 01:47:58.039
and to know it super well,
that is, of the most wonderful things

1488
01:47:58.439 --> 01:48:01.520
that I have ever lived in and
if God wants, I will return yes,

1489
01:48:01.680 --> 01:48:04.800
of course exactly game Hey good and
to me can follow on social networks

1490
01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:11.560
on Twitter and sagra my tiktok in
arroba aleverb s with s Well, then

1491
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:15.600
a huge trip that we have given
tonight, an expedition to the mystery,

1492
01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:16.960
an expedition to the magical corners of
the world and with a very clear message.

1493
01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:23.760
Don' t forget to live,
leave your cell phones and pods and

1494
01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:28.920
so live, experience, meet other
people, other places. Pack up your

1495
01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:32.319
magic, because there are other worlds, but they' re on this one.

1496
01:48:33.319 --> 01:48:38.520
I don' t know if some
of us had to be born in

1497
01:48:38.680 --> 01:48:45.399
another era and if you think the
same as me, but remember that always

1498
01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:47.560
discover what surrounds us with a child' s gaze. Never forget it and

1499
01:48:47.640 --> 01:48:51.560
never forget that we live in a
magical world, because it is full of mystery