Cómo realizar un viaje astral

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Tonces for everyone. Like it'
s there. My name is Juan Jesús

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Vallejos, the journalist, writer and
director of the Mystery Night program on Caracol

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Radio. In ancient shamans said that
they were able to leave their bodies in

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a trance and be able to go
to see a fantastic world, some in

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which there were angels and fairies,
and also that they were able to move

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through the underworld doing battles even against
demons. This was in ancient times.

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Then, already at the end of
the 19th century, the beginning of the

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20th century was coined the term astral
journey, the ability that we have to

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leave our body and travel through this
world and also through a multiverse. The

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funny thing is that the CIA,
for decades, started a thing called the

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Stargate project and hired people who had
this ability, to make astral trips and

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leave their bodies. The most famous
of them was Ingo Swan, who worked

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for the gum, I repeat for
decades with results that today are impossible to

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explain. And in the podcast you' re going to hear not only that,

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but we' ll also tell you
techniques so that you yourselves can make

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and start making astral trips, so
don' t lose this mystery night podcast

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how to make an astraj Ingo Swan
trip was a painter barely known in the

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United States, a restless guy who
told his friends that he was given an

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anesthetic at three years of age and
that day, in a sort of trance

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state, he was able to leave
his body and see distant places. The

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point is that Ingo Swang was totally
convinced that that was a fact. And

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it is more than then, after
that experience, he had been able to

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do so repeatedly. This is what
made it in the year nineteen hundred and

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seventy- two to be investigated in
the American society of psychic research and what

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happened there was tremendously extraordinary. Imagine
him in a large room sitting in Ingo

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Swang' s head with countless electrodes
in order to measure his brain activity and

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on a ledge attached to the ceiling
more than three meters high, he was

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put different objects, an umbrella,
a scissors, an apple and the number

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of successes that Ingo Swang began to
have were something absurd. And what'

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s more, his brain activity around
the optic nerve increased when he was in

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that sort of trance state. In
particular, psychologists say that electrical activity around

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the optic nerve was beginning to be
detected, smaller than normal, but with

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much more impulses, something really strange. The experiments carried out by Coningo Swang

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and the psychologists who controlled them said
that in order for Ingo Swang to have

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that level of success it was one
in forty zero. To be exact,

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yes, in Goswan he was not
God either was able to visualize objects,

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but if he was put, for
example, words or numbers, he was

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not able to see them. Those
experiments drew so much attention that on June

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6 of the year nineteen hundred and
seventy- two. Leading all these experiments,

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two psychologists who also worked for the
CIA, namely Russell Tark and Harold

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puttof well, as these two psychologists
did an experiment with a magnetometer. What

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they did is just as well put
it in Goswan and on this occasion tell

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him hear you would be able to
alter the magnetic field around that apparatus.

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And Ingo Swan said," I' m going to try and see what

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happens" The result was so absurd
that one of the people who was controlling

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the experiment ran out to comment on
the results, stumbled and was injured.

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This caught the attention of two CIA
agents, from the U S Intelligence Central

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of the spy services, and what
happened is that he was so impressed by

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the experiments of Ingo Swan, who
was working for the CIA for decades on

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a project called Stargate, also controlled
by the same psychologists Russell Tark and Harold

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Purof. And it' s very
curious because the CIA agents who supervised what

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Ingo Swan was doing were so convinced
of the capabilities that what they had to

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do later is even tell him to
go to the planet Jupiter and tell us

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what' s there and describe Jupiter
to them and described Mars to them and

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described Mars to them millions of years
ago, when there was intelligent life on

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the planet. It' s funny
because those CIA tests started with being given

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a series of coordinates in the globe
and since Ingo Swang didn' t fail,

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they never thought it was a case
of super memory or given coordinates and

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the guy came in and said I
feel cold, I see a mountain,

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there' s a river. I
described the landscapes to them all and I

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was always right. So, thinking
it was a case of super memory,

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they gave her the coordinates of an
ultra- secret American base and Engo Swang

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described it with all luxury of detail. I repeat, he' s been

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working for the CIA for decades.
If they enter the CIA website right now

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and name Inngo Swan, hundreds of
declassified documents will appear about the experiments that

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were made with this man and it
is more one that they will not find.

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But what Inngoswan recounted in his autobiography, one thousand nine hundred and ninety

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- eight, is that the CIA
asked him that in one of his altered

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states of consciousness he would try to
tell him what was behind the OMNI phenomenon

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and whether there were aliens on the
planet. And Ingo Swan told them that

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there were extraterrestrials on the planet,
but in human form, that they had

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been able to create a fifth column
here on Earth. Ingo Swan died a

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few years ago, but his life
and history became legend. And what'

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s curious is that without go Swan
he was able to get out of his

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body and see other places. It
is exactly like what the shamans tell us,

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that our consciousness can come out of
our body and travel not only through

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this world, but through infinity of
worlds and a multiverse, a multiverse where

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there are angels, where there are
demons, where there are beings of other

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dimensions, a multiverse that we want
fabulous and that is totally and absolutely real.

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My name is Juan Jesús Vallejo.
What you want to follow me on

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social networks, my twitters throws Juang
Vallejo, Juan j de Vallejo, on

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Instagram, on Facebook Juan Jesús Vallejo. And this is another mystery night show.

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And here what we do is mystery
journalism. We put the facts on

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the table and you decide what'
s behind it and what' s not.

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Like these facts that I have told
you about the life of Inngosoan,

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a total and absolutely exciting life that
opens the door for us to be travelers

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of a multiverse. You know that
I travel as an author at the end

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of good, the second fortnight of
the month of September of this year I

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will be making a trip to Egypt
so that you will walk along with the

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Pyramids surprised by the mysteries left us
by the fourth dynasty on the plateau of

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Giza to navigate the magical thread and
walk through millenary temple that still have a

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magical meaning that today is valid in
a journey that I assure you will be

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transformative and we will start without matilation. Alejandro, partner friend, how are

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you? Very well, Juan Geu, a greeting for you, for Richie

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in the controls and, of course, for all the people who consume this

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content through the podcast that we are
posting every week through the YouTube channel of

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Caracol Radio. John that while doing
the introduction, I imagined Ingoswan performing that

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experience of remote vision, trying to
observe not only coordinates on the earth,

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but places in the solar system,
places that were later corroborated by space missions

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About Ingosuan some scientific discoveries were anticipated. Juan Gue, I mean that'

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s important to mention. So the
gentleman was not only imagining it, but

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actually some of the information he gave
later was verified by science and, above

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all, what you were commenting on. John, that possibility of traveling to

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the past to love you and observe
awesome things. I mean, that'

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s a really wonderful thing and it
shows that the mind is not only the

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great riddle of riddles, but that
it has an unusual power. And there

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are some people, some initiates and
people who have also achieved special training,

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who have been able to develop those
powers and be able to gain information,

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see really amazing things, because wonderful. Yeah, the dengoson story is fascinating

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and well, it' s a
very unique case. I think it'

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s the best known case worldwide.
But what today' s program is about

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is astral journeys, and not only
experiences get lost and see what' s

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in the next room or in the
next building, but being able to travel

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through a multiverse. And it goes
without saying that, in the background,

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this is something that appears in the
majority, in the vast majority of the

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cultures of our planet of the world, where the shamans were able to have

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that kind of experience. That is
always with altered states of consciousness, consciousness,

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but it is something that is there
that is part of our culture and

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also, in today' s program, if they stay to the end,

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they will be able to hear what
techniques they have to use to try to

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become astral travelers, travelers of a
multiverse. Well, for today' s

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show we have a super special interview
with a good friend who' s been

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away for many years, who hasn' t seen and who' s written

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precisely a book about astral travel and
how to make an astral trip. You

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can search in Amazon for that book
if you put its name, José Gregorio

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González and how to make an astral
journey. And the interview with José Gregorio

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González starts like this. The ancient
Amanes said they were able to go into

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trance and be able to glimpse other
worlds. They thought that their soul had

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taken your body, their body and
with invisible eyes they could dive into the

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afterlife. For many these are within
the realm of legend. However, there

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are another series of facts that make
us reflect deeply on the subject. I

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don' t know if you,
for example, know about a CIA project,

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which was the Stargate project, and
that was for decades. He spent

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money on different characters, one of
the most famous, a man who was

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called ingosoam He spent money on different
characters who claimed to be able to leave

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his body to go to other places, to other places and, besides,

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with a percentage of successes so huge
that he made it really spend a lot

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of money, a lot of time
and a lot of effort on this and

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that possibility that we can get out
of our body. It opens the way

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to something, something tremendously important,
and that is the existence of an afterlife,

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an afterlife where they appear multiverse,
where fantastic worlds appear, a beyond

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where we could even glimpse what is
after death, a fascinating terrain that is

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also known in the slang or can
tell you like astral journeys, like our

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body leaves us and travels through that
multiverse, as the ancient shamans said.

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But Mr Cashette a book on this
and who knows a lot more than a

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servant, is Mr José Gregorio González, a journalist who is right now in

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the Canary Islands and who did not
see as twelve fourteen years or almost as

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I do not remember. José Gory
González, a fellow friend, how he

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is tremendously confident that you are here
on mystery night at Caracol Radio and as

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this is the first time you are
on the show, I will ask you

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the question I ask to all the
guests who arrive here for the first time

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who is José Gregorio González for the
entire audience of Caracol Radio Juang. Thank

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you so much for the invitation.
It' s a shared joy. We

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had each other on the radar,
but it' s true that we hadn

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' t agreed again and talked as
complicitly as we' ve been doing recently.

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And well, José Gregorio González is
a curious person, chronically curious.

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I don' t want to be
cured of that curiosity and my treatment is

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to go, in search of the
mystery, read research around everything that has

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to do with the sphere of the
paranormal, but you also play other sticks,

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the heterodox history, the very wide
universe of beliefs, of traditions,

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of legends, that is, at
the end of one topic, you pass

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on to another when you are a
curious sick person who I think you also

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have that incurable disease in your blood
and transmit it to your audience. Basically

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I am that And good someone who
has also felt from a very young age,

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the vocation, the urge to tell, to communicate those things that I

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am so passionate about, because perhaps
looking that others can also be passionate about

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in the same ways. And well, that has led me to touch different

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or move on different records. Well
through books reporting in written press, which

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is something I' m passionate about
that obviously, you' re also a

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race journalist in that sense. And, well, the radio, the TV,

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we' ve flirted with practically every
genre and it' s still running

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a radio show. There you go
and see the Canary Islands, what is

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the name of the radio program Samborondón
chronicles in the Canary Islands Radio autonomía is

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the radio station here in the Autonomous
Community of the Canary Islands. And notice

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that I will explain previously in the
name, because of course said so,

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people may tend to think that it
is dedicated to a holy chronicles of Samborondon

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and in part yes, but it
has an explanation. Samborondón is a ghost

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island, an island that appears and
disappears that was represented on maps. When

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the archipelago was represented, Samborondón was
included and there are even recent photographs of

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Samborondón, because let us say that
it is a phenomenon that may be the

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product of some sort of mirage that
was actually seen. In other words,

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there were times when up to hundreds
of testimony were collected and it was so

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frequent that it came to reflect on
the maps, expeditions were organized in their

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search and let' s say that
it was believed to be really a territory

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to be discovered. Not in fact, Christopher Columbus was preparing his travels and

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was questioning about new lands, as
he also collected testimonies about Saint Borondon.

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Moreover, in some parts of America
there are places that receive the name also

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communities that receive the name Samborondón.
I think in Ecuador and some in other

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places too, but it came in
my memory that of Ecuador and it is

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not clear if they receive those names
carried by people from the Canary Islands who

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ended up in those lands making their
lives and creating their home there or if

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also those first travelers there were also
witnesses of a phenomenon similar to that that

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they gave them the name they brought
from the Canary Islands. But it is

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also an additional bridge through the Ministry
that unites us with all of Latin America.

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Well, in the Canary Islands tremendously
united with Lana a match there are

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many canaries living in Latin America and
many American mentienos living in Canaria. Listen

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another day I don' t want
to get out of the script even though

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I' m an expert on other
scripts. We do a podcast and if

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you think about mysteries of the Canary
Islands, you also have some books published

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about it, books that well,
I say I am doing this interview with

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José Gregorio González because he has a
book called how to make an astral trip

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that here in Latin America you can
get through Amazon, super easy, so

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much the people that you live in
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this podcast is heard throughout the continent. Then nothing, for a highly recommended

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book. It was not a topic
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had always seen a journalist very of
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the steps that is happening there in
the Canary Islands. You have a

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thousand archaeological riddles. You have pyramids
from an amazing thing. How he gave

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you for diving in on this.
How did Joseph Gregorio tell you about making

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a book about astral journeys? I' ve always been passionate about parapsychology.

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The first books I read when I
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So, well, there was a
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the powers of the mind that was
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that of astral projection, extracorporal experiences. That always fascinated me and in the

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wake of the years. That is
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since childhood, but it was because
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close to death that I found and
deepened as far as I could in this

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topic of the astral journey, because
within those near- death experiences, with

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all those phases, that the audience
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The tunnel explored all this, for
let' s say that the only

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FAA susceptible to being explored from a
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precisely that of extracorporal experience, which
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in clinical death are not only seen
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in a percentage of cases, are
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the room or the type of conversations
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outside, because on that exit outside, they remain aware of what is happening

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and keep memory of them. And, of course, this concrete phase of

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near- death experience, let'
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can generate experiments for if it occurs
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this usually happens in the scn in
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a proof of the whole experience.
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Samparnia, with all those tables,
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in terminal care, looking towards the
ceiling. In case any fleet can there

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be those images that are randomly projected
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to see because they are looking up
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cupboards. So let' s say
that I was fascinated both by near-

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death experiences, which I deepened to
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historical literature, myths and scientific research, both in the field of paropsycology and

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in the field of medical neurophysiology,
to try to know everything and realize,

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because this book, which in the
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years of restlessness, well, many
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I tell you, this restlessness has
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but actively, therefore, to explore
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then, gathering together some techniques,
which is the last part of the

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book, but it is the one
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one that gives title. Yes,
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' t know. Samparry is a
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York. I think he is also
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who has been obsessed for many years
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after life, after life, and
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with really fascinating results. I hope
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about the book José Gregorio, which
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of the interview, is that it
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but that, moreover, at the
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interview, I repeat so that if
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you what techniques there are so that
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dreams in a more quotient way.
I repeat that will be at the end

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of the interview and, anyway,
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' s start getting more into material. Historically, there are a lot of

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references to this kind of astral journeys. I was talking about shamanism. Here,

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for example, in Colombia, we
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which is a place is a necropolis, of the largest necropolis in America,

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where it appears in a figure where
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out of his body and a very
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Many times those shamans thought that their
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the night in ancient Egypt was talked
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essence, our vital essence, and
the VA would be that vehicle with which

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we can reach the Kingdom of the
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this astral journey and that ability from
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but it' s speculation, but
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of these experiences at the origin,
when the human being begins to have a

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consciousness, they occur spontaneously, not
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the intake of something from some psychotropic, even accidentally, you live that experience.

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arise when in a very remote antiquity. From there, I believe that the

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perception of transcendence of the human being
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convinced it' s a personal conception
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of the human being, of transcendence
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with astra journeys. It has to
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outside of your body, observing and
having all those sensory sensations, difficult to

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see ballistics, returning to your body
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community and telling them that when the
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impression that it comes from there from
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that in principle they would be difficult
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well, that communities, that cultures
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because let' s say that they
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s say that to the substrate of
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who first dominates this in a conscious
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of the shaman, the sorcerer,
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woman, man or men of medicine, that is, it is they who,

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in an intentional way, through the
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of dance, of fasting, that
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extreme or exceptional situations, provoke that
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that click touch that switch that allows
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are talking about consciousness, basically comes
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become specialists. Evidently, in that
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figures lives, it is interpreted as
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as a connection with the gods,
with the ancestors, with the spirits

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of their ancestors, with their own
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soul, with the spirit, with
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of nature itself as a whole,
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fight battles with demons, make covenants
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the underworld, seek remedies for their
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this they do through the shamanic journey
that in the end is obviously an exclusive

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and very intense practice of the shaman
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from dangers either for him. But
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that ability and control it, but
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is at extreme risk, or even
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because the traveler followed his own itinerary. Between say people give rise among those

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who were not shamans or followed their
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control the experience and, as you
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But they have left an imprint,
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on archaeology itself. There is a
very interesting theory, John, regarding

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the motives of the lines of naskaypa
Palo. And this is a very curious

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thing. The journey of the shaman, which is also like the journey of

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mystics in religion, where they see
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they can go down to hell,
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it is curious that these figures of
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in Asia, in Europe, in
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world of angels and demons and that
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were totally and absolutely real. They
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which are repeated in different cultures,
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And when José Gregorio was commenting on
Juan sheque clearly when talking about these

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astral trips we had to talk about
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that great Canal. John Ge remembered
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Samhain, the Celtic culture that they
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of the Samhaine, which would come
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November 1, Juange had the opportunity, through an altered state of conscience,

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to communicate with spirits with people who
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times to consult them about a key
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It seems fascinating to me, of
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from that multiverse. Remember, for
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s hildegard, Bingen' s Garda, which entered anextasis. He said that

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he saw Angels and wrote music and
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we talked about last week, Juan
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times today traveling through a multiverse of
which we are all parts and ended an

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interview with José Gregorio González and he
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that there is about what the lines
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do with astral trips. And the
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there was a theory that I put
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that I could make the visions that
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astral and that they embodied it and
how there could be rivalries between the shamans

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of different communities were like messages that
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could read about the territory. No. It seems to me like a

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story, a very supernite theory.
It is not a theory that arises in

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an occult sphere, that is,
that theristic, that would be good too,

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but it is a theory that arises
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anthropology, as a possible explanation of
the usefulness that they could have. This

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station is a figure and it is
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the shamans. It seems to me
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astral journey and the shamanism and the
archaeology of Nasca. Indeed, because it

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is curious that it is something that
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of the shaman to different worlds within
the multiverse, to the underworld, runs

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to the world or to the world
of the gods or others. But you

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said something that' s key before
we get into good, I' ve

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got like fifteen questions here that nothing
more time to ask than four. But

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another day it bothers you, don' t worry before we get into science

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and the 20th century. You said
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states of conscience for people to understand, because right now we are in a

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normal state. But if I were
dreaming, I would be in an altered

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state of consciousness. If I were
down hypnosis, I would be in an

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altered state of consciousness. If you
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be in an altered state of consciousness. And that seems to be the key

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in different culture for that outburst I
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the regent of Tibet to know where
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the Ilama. For example, it
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think is called the Lao lake I
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is in a sacred lake and it
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day in its dreams is where the
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so, the next of the Islama
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I mean, it' s like
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our normal state of consciousness to get
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that would be like. Yes,
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projection of consciousness, basically in order
to explain it in antiquity, no longer

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the shaman, but through millennia to
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schools of knowledge, secret societies,
etcetera, are configured in order to be

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able in some way to verbalize the
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astral body, was created a little
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religions that speak up to seven or
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two three spirit soul you mentioned in
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think these are intellectual forms and from
every age in order to understand what this

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was about transcendence, what it was
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consciousness. In the end it is
that it is nothing other than the consciousness

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itself that is what we project and
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in the contemplative states lasis meditation,
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Buddhism, in others also its own, the Christian epoch of punishing the body

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in the conventual environment through fustigation,
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was interpreted as a kind of good
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of distance from the physical, from
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That' s what it generates.
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those of conscience, as you have
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which I believe that consciousness is able
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least, from the physical body,
from the consciousness, from this mind of

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the madman who leads us from one
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realities escape from the physical body.
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travelers who have written and talked about
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pick up also from many astral travelers, it is quite facilitated by the state

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of sleep, that is, when
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relaxation. One part of our brain
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has happened during the day, creating
memories, storing on the hard drive and

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another part, consciousness seems to be, seems to be, according to these

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travelers that comes out of the body
and is in other areas. We spoke

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before the multiverse. He is,
therefore, traveling, learning, living,

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experience, because I do not know
visiting others we do not know very well,

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but those who master this technique say
that we all experience astral journeys.

408
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That is good news and that through
sleep we can begin to become aware of

409
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and control it. So, well, it' s an important key,

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which you say no. In the
end I got an altered state of consciousness

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techniques. And here I do a
little vocateo for the end you whatever you

412
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.400
want. Yes, what I mean
is that all the techniques go through the

413
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vast majority of the techniques to travel
in southern go by relaxing you physically,

414
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:29.280
they go by generating a state different
from the ordinary, to the usual,

415
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:36.400
although it is also true that there
are some exceptional cases collected in the literature

416
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of the astral journey, where it
occurs in circumstances as very adverse during physical

417
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.920
activity. These are very exceptional cases, but it has also been good.

418
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.400
There may always be people who can
experience this experience in an exceptional way,

419
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.400
but the usual thing is that it
is in these types of altered states of

420
00:37:53.480 --> 00:38:01.239
consciousness and without having to resort as
you said to facilitate it, but through

421
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:08.599
techniques, of practice of deprivations even
physical, it can favor those projections.

422
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:14.719
Jesus Christ himself, when he wanted
to speak to his father, with the

423
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very day, went into the desert
and stuck himself a lot of days without

424
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eating and without drinking. Of course, if you look at the biography of

425
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.400
some saints or mystics, you'
d get that stuff That' s it.

426
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They listened and saw the angels or
the heavenly powers. They traveled metaphorically

427
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:42.000
or truly to those celestial planes through
the deprivation of food, through prayer,

428
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.679
which is a meditation, which is
a meditation, indeed, and through the

429
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:54.960
path of pain that we said before. I don' t obviously, I

430
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.480
don' t recommend this and you
don' t make sense today, because

431
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:05.239
we know it differently, do it
differently, but you raised it for those

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00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:09.320
who understand what they experienced and where
the roots could be to be able to

433
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:13.760
experience. That doesn' t seem
very symptomatic to me. This is in

434
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:19.199
the realm of Christianity. There'
s not a very famous case. I

435
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.639
' m going to look for the
name so we don' t get it

436
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:28.920
wrong, because it' s a
lot of names from one of my favorite

437
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.440
Southern travelers. I mean, your
story is delicious. I can' t

438
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:31.840
find him now, just because I' m looking for him. But well,

439
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.239
Edward Morrell is word Model Vale.
This one has a very delicious story

440
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:43.480
that I tell in the book and
that I then deepened even further because the

441
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:49.400
Internet allows you to access digital libraries
afterwards. And well, Morell wrote a

442
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.920
book in the early 20th century of
the United States, the twenty- fifth

443
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:58.800
man or the twenty- fifth man, where he was his autobiography, told

444
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.559
his story. He hadn' t
been because of these random things in life.

445
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.039
He was a little boy, a
little boy. He came into contact

446
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:12.199
with a gang of outlaws who raided
trains and robbed banks, and in the

447
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:19.079
end he ended up being part of
that gang and fate led him to prison

448
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.920
and to be considered a very dangerous
person when he had barely flirted with that

449
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:28.159
world. It was a very casual
thing. But, well, the thing

450
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.519
is, he ends up in prison, in San Gintin prison. And there,

451
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:37.519
obviously, because today is still happening, unfortunately. But in the past,

452
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:44.239
since there was less scrutiny and torture
was obviously commonplace, in addition to

453
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.920
being a very contentious person, very
demanding. And then, one way to

454
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:52.519
keep quiet was to torture him and
use different techniques with him and one of

455
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:57.239
them was what was called the double
shirt. It was a double straitjacket for

456
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.519
white and behind. They tied him
up and then they poured water and that.

457
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:08.280
The effect of that is that the
tissue was compressing to practically asphyxiation,

458
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:13.679
but just enough for it not to
die, so that it was torture and

459
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:19.280
not execution. Well, because he
started experimenting in those processes astral outings,

460
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:23.480
that is, he started having astral
journeys. He got out of the body.

461
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:30.960
Of course I understand that it was
a mechanism of his own conscience to

462
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:36.280
escape, to escape from that double
prison, which was the torture to which

463
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.039
he was subjected. And the interesting
thing, because we can think that this

464
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:42.960
was a psychological resource from him to
cope with the trauma. The interesting thing

465
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.199
is that he went out, watched
what happened outside the prison. He traveled

466
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:52.760
to San Francisco. He was aware
of events that were happening and that he

467
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.280
later saw on the news or that
someone told and met his wife in Astral,

468
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:05.239
with whom he would later marry.
Of course it' s a fabulous

469
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.760
story that I love. I say
the astral old man one of my favorites

470
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:15.800
or the preferred one the truth,
because moreover this possibly led him to see

471
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:20.679
that, by checking through these experiences, that it was not only a physical

472
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.480
body that had a transcendence, it
led him to an activism and to be

473
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:29.800
a person who fought for rights and
the improvement of prison conditions and got it

474
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.960
improved and changed into laws. Obviously, when he got out of jail,

475
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:43.639
he exactly made important prison changes possible
And that is, he was a socially

476
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.400
engaged person and he may be able
to safely. Part of this social awareness,

477
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:52.760
of this desire to generate change,
also had to do with what he

478
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.079
lived on a level of torture and
with what he experienced during these tortures.

479
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.480
Sounds like a fascinating story to me. Then, c Clondon, who was

480
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:07.320
carted with him, dedicated one of
his tales the traveler of the stars to

481
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:13.039
his figure. It' s a
very unknown story, very unknown. I

482
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:19.280
did not know it clearly, of
course, and moreover, with an impact

483
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.239
that did not remain in the personal
sphere, but later had a much broader

484
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.000
echo. Well, I' ll
tell you all this because you see.

485
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.840
There' s the torture, there' s the physical punishment that helps in

486
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:36.880
this case triggers the astral journey,
an ulterior state of consciousness that through the

487
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:42.840
pain and all the substances that our
brain generates a hephete and our brain itself

488
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.719
gives a series of substances that uncle
says this is so fucked up and so

489
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.679
bad that I hurt from here and, indeed, your mind and soul leave

490
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.119
there. There' s one thing
I want to ask you before we move

491
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.920
on, and that' s the
next. We' re talking about extracorporeal

492
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.840
rience, which is that I,
for example, am in Bogotá. Imagine

493
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:07.079
that tonight in sleep I am able
to go to Sydney, Australia and see

494
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:12.199
what is happening in cinema and Australia, but there are other times that this

495
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:17.000
astral journey does not take us this
plane of reality, but takes us to

496
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.400
other planes where there are gods,
where there are celestial beings or where there

497
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.199
are demons I think it was correct
me. If I' m wrong,

498
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.400
elena bla vasky, the first one
who starts to dig deeper and talk about

499
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.679
this astral thing and said that there
were different astral planes, she seems to

500
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.400
be also an astral hieral life.
So, how would this be from the

501
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.719
astral plane, how could we define
it, because at first glance it seems

502
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.000
a little complex. No, yes, there are many schools of knowledge.

503
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:49.320
Tossophia is one of them and the
sperioditism, for example, Cardesiano also deepened

504
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.840
in this. That is to say, if you go to the realm of

505
00:44:52.920 --> 00:45:00.000
pink crosses, all the schools of
hermetic knowledge have said that they have elaborated

506
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:06.480
their own theory and have provided their
own descriptions of what those astral planes are

507
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.920
like. Not one but speak of
several more at levels, astral levels,

508
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:16.000
some lower, where we say that
the worst of the worst would be those

509
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:22.440
people or those beings, those vibrations
that have more to do with our different,

510
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.639
with the criminal, the criminal,
with the unethical, that is,

511
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:34.400
and then, obviously, there would
be brighter planes, more enriching, senator

512
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:38.119
planes. Depending on the school,
they describe them to you in one way

513
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:43.599
or another, and the key to
going one place to another is how you

514
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.719
are basically like that, how your
own state is, whatever your own life,

515
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.920
your ethics, your motivations, because
they will take you to one place

516
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:57.599
or another. Let' s say
that it is the unwritten norm, but

517
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:04.039
it is described and in which all
these schools tend to, obviously, converge,

518
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.920
are kingdoms in which depending on who
describes it or the culture where it

519
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.840
has been described, because they are
inhabited by them. In the end,

520
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:15.199
all those heavenly powers that can sound
very familiar in the realm of Christianity,

521
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:22.400
with the Archangels, the thrones,
the Angels. We see the cherubim there.

522
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:27.800
We have not, for all this
would respond to the inhabitants of those

523
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.840
heavenly planes. But this is what
you' re saying It' s funny.

524
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.199
For example, that is because it
seems like a lie we identify this

525
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.440
with the subject of Christianity, the
Angels and such or the demons are not

526
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.880
in Islam, this is in Buddhism. But it is that you go to

527
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.480
Bolivia, at the door of the
sun of Tiaguanaco and the famous trumpeters appear,

528
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:51.440
that they are nothing more than cherubs
that are playing fanfare appear, salty

529
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:55.639
beings appear, that is, this
is something that would give us or would

530
00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:01.119
make us think that really people,
when they are in this type of state,

531
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:07.039
altered of consciousness and able to leave
their body of alternate realities, that

532
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:12.159
are alternate, but that are real
also in one way or another and that

533
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.239
at that moment they are posed to
us. I wanted to comment. Yes,

534
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.679
think that in the near- death
experiences, with the subject with which

535
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:24.400
we begin in some of its phases
and described by thousands, I would say

536
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.679
that tens of thousands of people who
have experienced them throughout history and the world,

537
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:35.920
because these figures appear in an important
percentage of cases, not figures that

538
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.960
are then identified according to culture,
because as you said with angels, with

539
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:50.440
geniuses, in short, with technical
beings. No and as colmeng also of

540
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:54.639
many of these near- death experiences
there is a final encounter so usually end

541
00:47:54.679 --> 00:48:00.880
a percentage of these experiences with a
spiritual being, also since it identifies itself

542
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:06.440
as someone of higher rank. Some, obviously, in a Christian culture,

543
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.840
identify him with Jesus. But,
obviously, it' s an interpretation of

544
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:15.239
that encounter with an entity of light
that usually is the one that returns you,

545
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.039
that tells you your time has not
come. Come back, you'

546
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.920
ll still have some time to transcend. And well, yes, in a

547
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:29.960
part of the astral journeys, the
journey to those more magical, more heavenly,

548
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.719
more spiritual spaces is present and,
in fact, notice. There'

549
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.800
s another curious traveler. He may
be the most famous of all Robert Monroden,

550
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:42.400
because he creates a high school and
today he is his high school.

551
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:47.760
It continues to function and viaural sounds
continue to be marketed. I think they

552
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:53.320
are called facilitating these altered states of
consciousness and astral projection. One, as

553
00:48:54.159 --> 00:49:01.559
Monroe came to describe three levels of
astral travel and he experienced them all three,

554
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:07.239
as he dragged back through the world
in which we are that somehow he

555
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.920
would develop you for this reality.
But you' d be in astral,

556
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.119
you' d be seeing and visiting
and listening to what' s going on

557
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:23.400
in this plane. A background,
let' s say more, that'

558
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:29.559
s something different, that could correspond
to a more astral plane, where all

559
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.280
the reality that you' re perceiving
seems to belong to that ambit. There

560
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:38.039
are subtleties, there are changes in
textures in colors you can find yourself with

561
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:42.559
spiritual sejas, as we see,
as we have commented now. We didn

562
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.079
' t say that that would be
the second kind of experience he describes,

563
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:51.079
always according to him, always according
to Robert Monroe' s categories. And

564
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:55.119
a third that I find fascinating and
curious, very surreal, that he experienced

565
00:49:55.119 --> 00:50:00.639
it. And when you read Monro
describe this and you say everything, it

566
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:06.519
' s a maximum madness, a
kind of parallel universe, where he knows

567
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:12.679
what he is and he sees himself
living another life, but with another aspect,

568
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.119
that is, he is absolutely convinced
and describes it in his book.

569
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:20.960
And besides, at certain times he
has sexual life there, even if he

570
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.719
has interacts, but he knows it' s him. But it is a

571
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:30.719
parallel reality that is similar in certain
aspects, to that he lives on a

572
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:37.480
daily basis, but with changes,
that is, a kind of land b

573
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.960
that I am clear in the world
of comics and how it has been taken

574
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.480
to television and in cinema, because
it is not as more remarkable, no

575
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.159
more familiar, because we have seen
it the multiverses. But when he tells

576
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:54.039
it no, then how do you
fit that in whether you see yourself living

577
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:59.760
an area with family, that is, with another family, with another job,

578
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.360
living in time for another life,
because he tells it no and it

579
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.440
is a story as very peculiar are
the three types of levels to which,

580
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.679
according to him his own experience,
can fall on the astral journey. Or

581
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.719
you can go or it' s
a story, as I tell you,

582
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:17.360
very fascinating that it' s to
recapitulate. The fact that people are clear

583
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.119
to you would basically be a world
that is like the one we are in,

584
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:28.039
a world where there are celestial or
demonic beings and such and then a

585
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.440
parallel reality. That would be his
three universes. Yes, that' s

586
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.239
what he experienced, what he described
in his books, and of course,

587
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.280
the part is. Let' s
say the astral world. Let' s

588
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:45.519
say it' s been described by
other travelers and well, there' s

589
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:50.719
a little bit of trunk matter there, from the religious and heavenly or hellish

590
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:53.800
planes. But of course, this
third world he' s going to is

591
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:58.239
like very striking, it' s
like an alternative land. It reminds me

592
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:02.559
a little bit of what Spiderman does
or what Flash does in the same comic

593
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:07.920
book or what Marvel does when they
intervene and create those multiverses, those parallel

594
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.760
worlds where there are characters identical to
them, but they lead other lives.

595
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.480
Well, this could look at you. Now that I think about it,

596
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:21.960
it' s come to my mind. It could give a little sense and

597
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.559
explanation to this story of the doubles
not that a very peculiar type of casuistic,

598
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:34.000
people who meet their double and momentarily
and then they disappear and stay like

599
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:38.000
ruminating thinking for the rest of their
life. If that was real, new,

600
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.639
it was a dream or a hallucination. Well, maybe it doesn'

601
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:46.719
t have anything to do with it, but from Monroe' s vision maybe

602
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.679
it does, it might have a
lace. It' s not like in

603
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.239
MATERAX that in the movie that,
from time to time, strange things crossed

604
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:57.960
me. I find these three possibilities
fascinating. When you make an astral journey,

605
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:04.159
an extracorporeal fi experience, pure and
hard to see things that are happening

606
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:12.480
in this world, enter directly a
multiverse where there are fantastic beings like angels

607
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:17.320
or demons and that third choice of
a parallel world, which physics tells us

608
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:21.920
about these parallel universes. And I
have come to read that now, with

609
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.199
this quantum world thing, quantum gratifications
and such history that when one has a

610
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:32.639
very strong intention to do something,
but then one language in a parallel world.

611
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:38.639
If I would have a reflection,
for example, I, who wanted

612
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:43.960
to be a physical trainer, well
I would have the tests of the National

613
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.639
Institute of Physical Education, because imagine
that I would have tried them because I

614
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:54.079
would be a teacher of physical education
in Spain right now, I would not

615
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:54.599
be here then what that life would
be like in that world. Parallel,

616
00:53:54.760 --> 00:54:00.920
if something else had happened before in
your destination, and that' s what

617
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:06.880
I think is also, apart from
travel is astrales, it' s up

618
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:08.679
to us to talk about destination exactly
Juange and the same story of Robert Roon

619
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:12.360
Row is very interesting. It turns
out that this man was an entrepreneur Juange

620
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:19.119
and he actually made some experiences in
order to improve his memory, because to

621
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.480
really facilitate his skills in business and
he begins to live some very strange experiences.

622
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:29.639
The guy begins to experience extracorporeal experiences
by publishing them in a book that

623
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.920
is made bet seller in the United
States and worldwide. Travel outside the body.

624
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.519
In a thousand nine hundred and seventy- one and it literally begins to

625
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:42.599
turn John into the maximum referring to
the time to speak of this type of

626
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.960
experience. No, well, a
guy who got into something put a will

627
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.000
on him and take a look.
Well, then, at the end of

628
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:51.800
the interview, they' re gonna
tell us how to start making astral trips.

629
00:54:52.400 --> 00:55:04.320
So it' s time to get
our batteries up and here we go

630
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:12.599
on a mystery night, a journey
through a fantastic multiverse that can be a

631
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:21.760
multiverse full of angels, demons and
creatures like fairies, a parallel world or

632
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.360
simply move through this world the ability
to leave our body. Look at this,

633
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:31.239
even the CIA worked on it for
decades and all this was being talked

634
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:37.159
about by José Gregorio González and the
interview with him continues. Ah yes,

635
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.800
it is not that it is very
curious and if we reach out to the

636
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:45.840
cinema of science, fiction, indeed, Doctor Strange is the one who speaks

637
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:47.880
to us, opens those plans to
a multiverse or otherwise, I do not

638
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:52.559
know if you have seen it the
Fringe series, which for me is very

639
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:57.239
good, the series Frints, which
is of a scientist who works in the

640
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:00.920
CIA and taking the SD, then
the guy is able to get into a

641
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.199
parallel world where he is also.
And I find it super curious. But

642
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.239
you' ve already said one thing
that I think is key. And the

643
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:12.519
prologue of your book, which makes
it only White alone, also mentions it

644
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:17.599
as the subject of vibration, because
when one enters some states of altered consciousness

645
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:22.039
of conscience forgiveness, as is,
for example, meditation, because I learned

646
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:27.840
to do medical meditation, because that
through a sound. For example, if

647
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.840
I start repeating myself well, I
take a breath that is called prana,

648
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:39.239
call I stay calm, relaxed and
start repeating mentally or manpa ma, not

649
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:45.199
manipameon right now. If you'
ve heard my voice right, what I

650
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:50.599
' m doing is I' m
emitting a vibration, which is what it

651
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:57.400
does is it seems like the waves
in my brain throw you more inusually and

652
00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:58.400
then we get to that state of
consciousness. I' m asking you this

653
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.800
question that you were telling me to
take care of the astral journeys, because

654
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:06.360
according to what vibration are you in
or how do you get into the world

655
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:07.760
of demons or do you get into
the world of angels? Be careful how

656
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:13.000
it is about vibration and how you
touch it in your book repeat the title

657
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:16.320
of the book how to make an
extra trip. Yes, I mention it

658
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:22.119
because, evidently, it is part
of the tradition and literature and of the

659
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:28.480
own experience of a good handful of
astral travelers that I have been able to

660
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.800
know personally, they support both the
literature, and those that I have known

661
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:37.440
directly that you have to be,
that is, you have to be a

662
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.679
person, have a personal ethic,
not to say a man. Obviously,

663
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:45.360
this is ideal in life for everything, for everything. Yes, it is

664
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.559
true that no one is free from
sin that circumstances may lead you at certain

665
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:54.119
times to get out of a bit
of an enriching positive baseline for you others.

666
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:58.239
But, well, that' s
already personal decisions. The truth is

667
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:04.320
that, according to that literature and
these travelers, if you' re in

668
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:07.760
a bad mood about whether you'
ve had a bad day, had a

669
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:13.159
bad run, being a normal,
ordinary person, the goals are extensive.

670
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.920
You' re where you' re
sick. You just argued. Let'

671
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:21.760
s say you' re a little
negative or very negative. It is preferable

672
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.800
that you do not do astral pathways, that you do not try, among

673
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:29.880
other things, because it will cost
you more, because your mind is going

674
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:34.519
to be the madman' s mind, it is going to be very monkey

675
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.880
' s mind, it is going
to be very active with ruminant thoughts,

676
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.119
turning things around and it is going
to be very difficult for you to achieve

677
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.880
that altered state of consciousness. But
if you make it, you' re

678
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:47.559
getting angry, you' re getting
sad, you' re getting discouraged,

679
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:51.719
you' re getting pessimistic, no, I mean, you' re coming

680
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:52.800
out just like you' re in
life at the time. Then the most

681
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:57.800
likely thing is that the experience is
not positive, it is not enriching and

682
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.800
it is more like the bad sensations
you can have in a sleep paralysis,

683
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:08.559
that anxiety, that agony, that
fixia experienced by those who suffer from sleep

684
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:14.400
paralysis. Or if we listen to
the travelers themselves and to the literature that

685
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:17.440
you encounter unpleasant things, whether they
are real or not, whether they are

686
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:22.480
products of your mind or whether they
are or actually have a real assistance on

687
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:30.159
those astral planes, then well,
if it' s better that you wait

688
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:35.920
for your life and your order to
be better and your attitude to be much

689
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:39.400
more neutral or positive. That with
regard to everyday life, man, and

690
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:46.679
if you' re already on a
baseline, you' re a person below

691
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:52.440
a moral and unscrupulous level and you' re in the realm, in a

692
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:57.719
shady sphere. Even well, I
don' t know criminal. Sure,

693
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.079
obviously, hey, you' re
messing with it there. If you dedicate

694
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:05.079
yourself to traveling, that is clear, that is, if you in your

695
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:12.159
life are always moving in that energy, in that environment. You can'

696
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.440
t wait and they' re a
logic, you can' t expect that

697
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:17.679
if your consciousness comes out to the
other side and your consciousness is Greek or

698
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:23.800
dark, you' re going to
go to a bright place, that is,

699
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:29.960
then whether they' re our mental
creations that but we edict to the

700
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.920
astral, or if they' re
entities that are actually there mocking other astral

701
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:37.920
travelers of your own way, because
you' re going to find that,

702
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:38.320
and that' s what travelers say
or that literature says, what the schools

703
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.119
of knowledge say. Therefore, generally, the extracorporal experience, the old astral,

704
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.280
in these contemplative practices, in these
schools of knowledge, in Buddhism itself,

705
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:51.559
is obtained through the cultivation of virtues, practice, meditation, goodness,

706
01:00:51.679 --> 01:01:00.000
detachment. And these experiences or abilities
are emerging, of course, almost indirectly,

707
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:06.079
without seeking them. But if you' re looking for them and you

708
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:12.199
' re better off looking for them
in a balanced positive key, because you

709
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:16.199
' re at risk, even if
they' re mind traps, you'

710
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:19.800
re at risk and you can get
stuck there in that loop I' m

711
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:19.800
not saying that you stay in the
astral, that this is a myth.

712
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.079
I mean, there are no cases. We don' t know anyone who

713
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:28.599
has this or who shares the silver
cord or this kind of thing, no,

714
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.400
but you can stay there and work, like when someone does a daughter

715
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.559
and maybe, because they don'
t have their minds focused enough and suddenly

716
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:44.400
they get worked up with that and
that obsession. Indeed, obsess arises obsession

717
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:46.280
and is an obsession that does not
leave you life look. And it'

718
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:51.880
s very curious what you' re
talking about here in Latin America, which,

719
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.599
unfortunately, we have a lot of
problems, for example, with drug

720
01:01:54.679 --> 01:02:00.119
trafficking issues and such all the rituals
that are done around the north traffic so

721
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:06.639
that they can pass the shipments.
The other day he interviews a Colombian journalist

722
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:09.159
who has made a book about the
story of a witch, here who was

723
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:15.960
linked to such stories are always satanic
rituals in what one tries to connect with

724
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:21.320
the devil, with that kind of
super negative stuff, because the people who

725
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:24.480
are there know that what they are
doing is super negative. He' s

726
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:29.039
not gonna ask the guardian angel.
No. Indeed, here in Colombia he

727
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:31.320
looks in the magic of esotericism.
We have one thing that' s super

728
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:35.719
curious. I think he' s
very Colombian. Bad bad guys have a

729
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.119
black angel at home who call him
in angel angel alone, the angel just

730
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:43.199
how interesting it is Yes, in
black angel, which is the angel alone,

731
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.000
which is the angel alone, That' s the one who protects you,

732
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:49.039
but only to do bad things.
And that' s just a black

733
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:53.159
angel already ready for they' ll
collect their tribute sooner or later so obvious

734
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:58.599
and I don' t know if
any of these live on an astral trip

735
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:04.159
doing some kind of that kind of
ritual that sheath because you don' t

736
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.880
know exactly what the origin of that
is that I already tell you is very

737
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:08.960
very Colombian. It' s worth
the angel alone and it' s described

738
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:15.400
in literature here, but the origin
until that is unknown. It' s

739
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:17.079
like crazy. Listen, José Gregorio, you' ve told us a lot

740
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:22.559
of historical issues and I' d
like to before you tell us about the

741
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:24.760
techniques and so that we' ve
forgotten, that everyone is safe there already

742
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:30.119
nervous, because you tell them there
is a moment. I mean, this

743
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:35.159
is historic. There are Buddhist monks
who start to do meditation and who have

744
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:39.960
such experiences. There are the shamans, who use anteogen substances. There are,

745
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:45.400
for example, ascetics who use their
physical pain not to eat drink.

746
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:52.679
But there' s a time when
science really starts getting into this. Because

747
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:55.039
you told me a word I didn' t know. The virual sounds.

748
01:03:55.599 --> 01:04:00.719
That' s what you' ve
said since now. That already sounds that

749
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.039
would be, say, synthesize meditation, this sound that made before them of

750
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:12.320
the best paméon and science begins to
get into this. At what point does

751
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.679
science start to get you into this, to get into this, which I

752
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:18.840
imagine is a brutal revolution. Sure. Of course let' s say that

753
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:25.159
the beginning of scientific research from when
science looks at this and other paranormal phenomena,

754
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:30.360
the end of the seventeenth century,
the beginning of the twentieth century the

755
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:36.400
moment of the closion of the incipient
for psychology, was not yet called the

756
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:41.559
metaphysics that they called it in France. Well, that territory of phenomena that

757
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:46.000
somehow experienced a bloom thanks to spiritism, to the unique average sessions, to

758
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:51.519
the great mediums that made international tours, because with the tables parblantes in the

759
01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:57.000
sessions. Well, obviously, that' s a very controversial terrain, because

760
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:02.880
there was a lot of leverage,
a lot of fraud, and it'

761
01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:03.199
s hard to even tell who was
genuine good from who wasn' t.

762
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:11.519
But in that golden age of phenomena
that fascinated the population so much, because

763
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.920
they also interested in science, there
was no prejudice at that time for a

764
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.599
scientist, so that Nobel Prize winners
would approach those phenomena that, occasionally,

765
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:27.760
happened spontaneously, but that some psychic
mediums, because they seemed able to provoke

766
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:32.679
at will. And so it is
at that time, late 19th century,

767
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:40.480
early 20th century, when science,
scientists look at that universe of the paranormal.

768
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:45.960
And in that universe, for there
is, obviously, also the astral

769
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.840
projections, the extracorporal projections, the
astral journey, are the projection of consciousness.

770
01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:56.079
And they are all equivalent terms that
have been coined according to the time,

771
01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:02.719
depending on who was investigating it or
describing it. And well, one

772
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:11.719
of the first sources of research,
one of the first nurseries where the researchers

773
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.880
went, was the spontaneous casuistic that
was generated, for example, in the

774
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:20.280
conflicts in World War I. These
experiences in which mothers or wives received the

775
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:27.440
astral visit of their children or their
husbands, their fathers or their brothers,

776
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.079
and then they were aware that they
had died on the battlefield after a few

777
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:39.840
days. It was not that last
moment, that last thought, surely of

778
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:45.920
that person who fell into battle,
for let us say that he managed to

779
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:51.760
project himself and from these cases were
collected enough of dying also who described their

780
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:57.119
experiences in hospitals. And that'
s the first niche of cases. In

781
01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:03.760
addition, in quite remarkable amount that
the first researchers at that time access and

782
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:08.159
begin to describe the phenomenon they begin
to talk about today since something is happening

783
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:12.519
here. At that time it was
discussed whether it was a sort of telepathic

784
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:18.400
projection, that those dying people,
because they projected a thought that was what

785
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:24.440
the person perceived miles, thousands of
kilometers, sometimes miles away, or if

786
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:30.119
it really was of that that we
called spirit, that he managed to project

787
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:35.760
moments before he died or once dead
to give his last farewell. This continues

788
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:42.880
to happen today. A lot of
recent casuistics permanently. I' m sure

789
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:47.119
the audience, a part of it, experienced this with some family member to

790
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:50.440
a loved one who may have lost. Then. That' s the first

791
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:54.519
place and it' s rather descriptive. At that moment, what science does

792
01:07:54.599 --> 01:08:00.880
is to describe what is happening spontaneously
and already with the development of parapsychology,

793
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:05.679
already as such more scientific has passed
the years, twenty, years, thirty,

794
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:11.320
years, forty. I think that
will be the key story of a

795
01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:14.159
man named J. B Ring at
Duke University, which is the one who

796
01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:17.199
starts everything that is modern parapsychology and
which, well, although he once told

797
01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:19.880
it on the program for people who
don' t know, a Mr J.

798
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:25.520
Ber Rink was a psychologist and he
is the one who starts the concept

799
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:30.520
of modern parapsychology, where he begins
to do already a whole series of super

800
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:34.439
serious experiments of telepathy with some letters
called Cartacene, which is a mallet of

801
01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:40.039
twenty- five letters and also of
precognition to advance you to the future.

802
01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:45.359
And besides, although today much of
science hates us in general. I call

803
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:51.600
you here a brother- in-
law towards the term cencinafil when the result

804
01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:57.560
episodium I stay what of the cincinnazi. Well, but let them know that

805
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:01.840
the virmal Albert Einstein supported the acts
experiments of j b Ring, so this

806
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:08.319
gets so serious that it gets done
in laboratories, in universities and even gets

807
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:13.119
involved in trust. Yes, yes, yes, yes, correct, I

808
01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:20.760
mean, Ring himself, along with
his wife Luisa or Lois, also investigated

809
01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:27.359
the astro journey of management. In
other words, the experiences are corporal to

810
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:31.359
a lesser extent that the percision is
sensory or psychokinesis. Not good. It

811
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.319
seems to me that this was what
they were doing with telekinesis as coins and

812
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:41.720
dice, that is, they were
really boring experiments, because they were looking

813
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:45.960
for a lot of results to have
a statistical value. I mean, they

814
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:49.399
were most tedious, but they were
grains, results, of course, but

815
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:54.600
just very important. Of course,
they were very important for, as you

816
01:09:55.199 --> 01:10:03.239
said, giving scientific rigor status to
what so far rather descriptive case compilation and

817
01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:06.800
it was very difficult to work.
Well, they worked with psychics, but

818
01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:12.159
they worked with people on foot in
these experiments and well, they also researched

819
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:17.159
to a lesser extent astral projection.
They were one of the first, but

820
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:23.640
obviously there were other authors. Tyler
was one of those who collected a lot

821
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:30.600
of information. Also another parapsychologist linked
to society for British psychic research. I

822
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:34.039
' m thinking in name and besides, going over the list here. There

823
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:39.000
were many Carrington, who wrote one
of the reference books. Today you can

824
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:45.720
still get that book. And then
there are, then, the experiments that

825
01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:49.239
were carried out and in which the
company finally intervened, in this case in

826
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:55.600
Stanford. They called it remote vision, bounced, remote vision, which is

827
01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:59.039
another term. Another was the same, another way. Of course, you

828
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:02.960
imagine in a lab talking about old
astral, as it was more comfortable for

829
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.680
him to talk about remote vision.
But in the end it was the same.

830
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:12.279
It was to project consciousness to travel
to remote places with coordinates given to

831
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:16.960
them and to describe those subjects.
What was there and there was you with

832
01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:20.760
a brutal l right, a funny
fact that I don' t know if

833
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:24.439
you know him or not. C
is a project that was the Stargate project,

834
01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:29.119
where it brought together all this of
what remote vision is. If you

835
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:34.800
download it on the Internet, guess
where the first experiment is in Colombia,

836
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:39.840
on San Andrés Island. Ah seriously
to the first is a guy who is

837
01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:44.199
in the United States, who is
not said is crossed out the name of

838
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:49.399
the sensitive one orders him to describe
a place on the island of San Andrés,

839
01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:53.840
in Colombia, where there is an
airport and the guy describes the airport

840
01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:56.520
with a hangar in a series of
pods, at a military airport on the

841
01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:59.920
island of San Andrés, and described
it perfectly and they are stunned. That

842
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.279
' s how the project starts,
the Stargate project, which is one thing

843
01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:11.560
like super crazy good and to see
what this was doing. He' s

844
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:16.680
been working a long time. Note
that there is a curious story related precisely

845
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:24.720
to these experiments and the pentagon itself
and to two researchers. It' s

846
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:30.600
anecdotal, but symptomatic. At the
same time, Harold Pudor and Chartar Puro

847
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.319
are involved in everything about the zomnis
and today the guy is still getting into

848
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:38.159
himself, this is in the mk
Ultra, also in the ultra mk exactly

849
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:44.880
for his first experiments, precisely for
the pentagon and he was doing it.

850
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:50.880
I don' t remember the cynic
and I don' t know if it

851
01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:55.000
was whether they already worked with suan
or others or Price don' t know.

852
01:12:55.319 --> 01:13:01.399
I want you to buy in those
early experiments the untrue level was so

853
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:06.840
brutal in describing secret military installations that
they suspected they were spies, that is,

854
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:12.520
that they were then subjected to an
investigation into the psychic and the parapsychologists

855
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:21.520
themselves, that they were physicists and
a psychologist because they thought they had information,

856
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:25.439
that is, that they had not
traveled through extrasensory perception, but they

857
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:29.600
were clear that it was a fraud
that handled the location and the plans of

858
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:41.439
ultra secret facilities. Then they had
to convince the financiers themselves that they were

859
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:47.039
not spies. It is also true
that the United States had a lot of

860
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:51.000
paranoia with the Soviets or the Chinese
who could be bad or Soviet at that

861
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:55.520
time, who could be with people
infiltrated and in fact had it in other

862
01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:59.800
cases. But from there, well, when they proved their innocence, notice,

863
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:03.640
they proved their innocence, because the
funding increased and these kinds of experiments

864
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.720
were developed more widely. But look, how curious, that is, the

865
01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:12.640
level of percision was so great that
it says good is that these have been

866
01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:14.840
there, that is to say that
these have stolen the plans from us,

867
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:21.359
not to say good, a very
curious anecdote of all that plotting, of

868
01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:26.960
the starga, of the mk ULTRA, of that interest and financing, so

869
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:30.399
I follow that it has always been
deployed from the military sphere. Indeed,

870
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:33.600
and it' s super curious.
They also came to think that Hingo Swan,

871
01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:39.399
who is perhaps with the guy they
worked with the widest, came to

872
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:43.560
think that Ingo Swan had a super
memory and was able to memorize all the

873
01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:47.800
coordinates again and the guy did not
fail. It said here of a mountain.

874
01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:51.199
There' s a river here,
until he also described to them ultra

875
01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:57.880
secret bases of them and said no
I mean this guy is impossible to be

876
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:02.840
noticed. The case of Suan is
exciting because he was an absolutely exceptional psychic,

877
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:08.680
an artist, an incredible painter and
painted among the things he painted,

878
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:12.840
some had to do with astral journeys
with what he saw. Not then does

879
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:18.359
he have a series of pictures of
Saturn' s Jupiter landscapes, when there

880
01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:25.079
was not that after the photographs that
began to send the waves, for they

881
01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:30.159
were appeared to be decals not of
that which he had theoretically seen in astrales

882
01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:32.039
and had traveled even through the solar
system. But they' re really crazy,

883
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:35.319
because within the Stargate project there'
s a part where I dingo Swang

884
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:40.960
surprises him so much that they tell
him. Okay, now you' re

885
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:43.439
going to go to planet Mars and
tell us what happened in the past.

886
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:48.479
That was an experiment funded by the
American government, gentlemen, and that is

887
01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:54.319
that the Stargate project is crazy,
but totally and absolutely real and it really

888
01:15:54.399 --> 01:15:58.520
did. I' m one of
those who thinks that if you put a

889
01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:01.159
lot of money and a lot of
time into this, it' s or

890
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:04.239
that the results were very convincing.
Alejandro Bernal how was the project star Gaek

891
01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:09.560
Juang, because in the early seventies, a number of researchers linked to Stanford

892
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:14.600
University, Rossell Turk and Harold Pureof
who you were talking about a few moments

893
01:16:14.680 --> 01:16:18.600
ago were the promoters of this initiative
and they who sought with the Stargate project.

894
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:25.800
How, through psychic abilities, to
be able, in this case,

895
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:30.399
to obtain information from the other great
hegemonic power that existed at that time,

896
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:34.439
which was the Soviet Union. Aung
of course, indeed, that is because

897
01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:40.399
they knew that the Russians also had
a program, they also had their program

898
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.760
and they were with different psychics.
For example, the most famous was Ninaculaline,

899
01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:47.560
exactly Juan. So, to develop
this Stargate project, they set three

900
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:54.399
fundamental objectives. On the one hand, they needed the economic tug, the

901
01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:59.239
funding had millions of dollars from the
Towards to develop this. On the other

902
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:02.960
hand, Juan Gin needed to have
the contact and why not say it,

903
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:11.079
recruit people to demonstrate those very advanced
psychic skills, including Ingo Swan and a

904
01:17:11.159 --> 01:17:14.840
character who became very famous for a
few decades, Juan Genio, only in

905
01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:17.159
your country, in Europe and all
over the world, a man named Uri

906
01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:24.079
Geller, who was very famous because
he was able to fold covered spoons on

907
01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:28.319
public television, live. It was
an amazing thing what this gentleman was doing

908
01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:31.199
He reads Uli Geller. And it
turns out John that this gentleman a few

909
01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:39.840
years ago, through an autobiography he
published, commented on how he became part

910
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.479
of the Stargate project. In August
of one thousand nine hundred and seventy-

911
01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:46.399
three. Geller comments that precisely in
that year CIA agents contacted him, inviting

912
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:51.840
him to be part of a series
of tests of experiments that were carried out

913
01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:59.680
in the framework of this project Juange
and subjected him ter from the four to

914
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:02.399
the eleven of August, a full
week, in the seventy- three,

915
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:08.039
to a series of experiments. To
Brigeller what this series of dynamics consisted of.

916
01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:13.000
It turns out that Geller was locked
in a room, his eyes were

917
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:18.039
blindfolded and two rooms later, with
absolutely armored doors, the agents made a

918
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:24.560
drawing, asked Geller what he saw
that was what appeared there. And it

919
01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:29.119
turns out Juange that in two of
those experiences the results were impressive. On

920
01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:35.079
one occasion they drew a firecracker and
Uri Gether said it was a cylinder from

921
01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:40.880
which a noise came out. He
told that to the CIA agents, the

922
01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:44.840
agents who were hallucinated because they said, because he didn' t say exactly

923
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:46.199
that it was a fart other it
looked very much like what he created.

924
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:53.880
Then they drew a bunch of grapes
and origineler said I saw round things of

925
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:59.119
purple color I had observed or at
least had thrown it into the form and

926
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:01.840
official opinion. And so said Urigueler
Juan gel Era, that clearly this man

927
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:10.960
had a proven paranormal ability, unequivocally
and convincingly to power images through his psychic

928
01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:16.520
power. Uri Geller, a man
who was part of this Stargate project initiative.

929
01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:20.560
In a thousand nine hundred and seventy- five, Burigeler unleashed a worldwide

930
01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:25.800
madness, that is, with his
famous program where he went out bending,

931
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:30.960
spooning with his mind and people were
at home and many said that he also

932
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.800
doubled the spoon. He became famous
worldwide and I believe in some of the

933
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:38.439
Durigueller things, as he heard it
again. So there could be a trick.

934
01:19:39.159 --> 01:19:43.199
But another truth is that the guy, because he' s a genius,

935
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:46.640
because he' s cheating on CIA
agents and these two psychologists, because

936
01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:48.840
I don' t think it'
s easy for the title of curiosity.

937
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:53.359
I was at the door of Durigueller' s house, in Jaffo, in

938
01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:58.079
Israel, at the door of the
house and it' s funny. Well,

939
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:01.600
already Jafo is right next to you
the VIP is glued to Tela Vives

940
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:06.880
are beautiful houses. I' d
swear it' s the most expensive square

941
01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:13.920
meter in Israel, that' s
where a house is very expensive and it

942
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:15.720
' s a museum house and when
we arrived it wasn' t open.

943
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:19.960
And at the door of the house
he has a giant sculpture. I don

944
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:24.920
' t know, like, 12
or 14 meters. It' s a

945
01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:28.640
folded spoon. That' s how
he knows it' s the home of

946
01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:30.720
the person brand, Origaller' s
personal brand. But the star Gate project

947
01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:38.119
was a real madness and lasted many
decades and characters like Riguel like Ingostente were

948
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:43.359
there and with a lot of successes
and impressive. Exactly juang Urigeller also from

949
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:46.119
this Pandora' s box, because
he said he didn' t only do

950
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:50.560
it if one of other important intelligence
centers, such as the Busat, had

951
01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:54.359
their own psychic research programs. What
happens is the Mozat are much more professional.

952
01:20:55.199 --> 01:21:00.520
If they don' t find out
exactly. It' s basically the

953
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:02.800
best chis kids, the best secret
service in the world. That' s

954
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:15.359
not sorting anything. And we were
talking about the Star Gate project, a

955
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:21.640
CIA project that recruits people with special
qualities, and one of the most we

956
01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:29.199
could say they were looking for was
remote vision. Ingo Swan worked for them

957
01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:35.800
for decades and even Uri Geller himself, people who were able to unfold and

958
01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:44.000
see things that were in far away
places. Do not go because in this

959
01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:48.239
piece of interview that is missing,
in addition, they will tell us techniques

960
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:55.199
to make an astral trip, so
that you can become travelers of a multiverse,

961
01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:59.439
and the interview with José Gregorio González
continues like this. We are not

962
01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:03.479
fighting here for Gregorio González and I
don' t mean, and he described

963
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:09.039
that there were very high anthropomorphic beings
on Tuesday of five hundred million years ago

964
01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:12.319
and that there was life and oceans. And such a good thing that we

965
01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:15.079
really know from science that if so, there was ocean and so on today

966
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:20.600
there are still ice left on planet
Mars. But it really had to be

967
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:28.159
something fascinating because they got convinced on
foot that he hears this guy is able

968
01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:30.399
to get out of his body and
see other things, because we already curl

969
01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:34.880
up the curl, we send them
through the solar system and he gives us

970
01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:38.560
information about what' s out there, what' s out there, that

971
01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:41.239
is, it' s a freak
thing. Well, it' s an

972
01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:46.640
example of the broad spectrum that encompasses
this phenomenon of astral travel. Let'

973
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:50.720
s say it' s clearly this
term astral journey. I don' t

974
01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:57.600
think it has contributed in recent years
to giving it respectability and to seeing how

975
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.439
deep it is, because people see
it as more esoteric, more than really,

976
01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:03.560
that it even has a scientific backing, which is the great thing about

977
01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:06.239
your book that you put in it. So that scientific repla is a label

978
01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:10.359
that has a raison d'être
at the time when it was coined,

979
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:15.720
Not if that time from where the
schools of knowledge, the hermetic schools,

980
01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:20.960
had a great impulse and they called
it so, not also as homage debtors

981
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:30.239
of a millennium tradition. But of
course, the terms more talk about projection

982
01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:36.520
of consciousness or extracorporal, because perhaps
it can be more correct, even today.

983
01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:41.640
But, well, I' m
sorry that the old astral label is

984
01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:45.079
and with that we have to handle
ourselves and, in fact, the book

985
01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:48.560
uses it. But it can lead
to deception, it can lead to error

986
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:51.920
for those who do not deepen,
because they can, as you say,

987
01:23:53.159 --> 01:23:55.760
think that this is something that is
part of the last, of esotericism.

988
01:23:55.840 --> 01:24:01.600
When it really moves in areas ranging
from neurophysiology, medicine, the realm is

989
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:10.720
military. Well, it has very
significant, very broad repercussions. Yes,

990
01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:15.079
indeed, and I' m telling
you, the experiments on the gum made

991
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:18.359
it clear that, gentlemen, we' re not clear about the mechanism,

992
01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:23.760
but this works. There are people
who are able to train their minds so

993
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:28.399
much that, indeed, they are
able to go out and go to physical

994
01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:32.000
places on those other worlds that I
would call astrals within a multiverse, because

995
01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:36.960
there would be much more complex.
Hey, we' ve got ten minutes

996
01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:39.279
of interviews left, and then what' s already been promised. It'

997
01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:43.520
s debt or if you won'
t want an insulted one in the comments

998
01:24:43.600 --> 01:24:50.000
here on YouTube that you can'
t even imagine how we can make astral

999
01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:55.319
trips, what techniques are used or
what techniques forgiveness you recommend to us And

1000
01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:59.760
besides, you don' t recommend
them, but you describe them also in

1001
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:06.119
the book so that people say hey
I' m going to try to have

1002
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:06.119
an astral trip, try to be
one of trying to move around the multiverse

1003
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:09.640
notice. Before I answer that,
I' m looking for a dat dale

1004
01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:13.439
looks very eye- catching to me
from another great parapsychologist who was Scott Robo.

1005
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:16.159
Your books seem very curious to me
and you can get many of them

1006
01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:24.600
second hand. One American who was
also in everything dedicated and I think he

1007
01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:29.680
is one of the best, a
great divulgator, and he also participated in

1008
01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:39.520
developing experiments with astral projection and in
some used animals, even in others used

1009
01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:45.279
beams of light and travelers. They
also worked with Shuan, with pris and

1010
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:50.680
with some others. And this is
interesting because it gives us clues how from

1011
01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:56.600
that astral projection you can influence the
physical world, which is a very curious

1012
01:25:56.640 --> 01:26:02.119
story. There are no witnesses who
claim to have seen southern and traveling projections

1013
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:11.439
until they have interacted with people who
are awake then they developed several experiments and

1014
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:16.720
in one of those experiments, the
one that was projecting in astral managed to

1015
01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:20.520
divert the trajectory from a ray of
light. From one light they are laboratories

1016
01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:26.760
of laboratory functions and in other experiments
with animals in particular, they worked with

1017
01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:30.520
a snake. They were able to
influence, that is, the snake was

1018
01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:38.680
reacting defensively and preparing for the attack. When the astral traveler was from the

1019
01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:44.039
astral including the snake, i e
wow, I was seeing it I was

1020
01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:48.880
sensing it, i e, obviously, when it deviates from light there is

1021
01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:53.279
some kind of force. Some kind
of force is being exerted on the path

1022
01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:57.479
of light, but in the other
case we don' t know if I

1023
01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.479
was seeing or perceiving it in some
way, but it generated an effect.

1024
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:06.079
Then they are very resounding experiments,
also in the scientific field and with instruments

1025
01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:13.359
and with non- suggestive beings,
in this case animals, which show that

1026
01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:16.600
something was happening, that something was
actually being produced. And well, and

1027
01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:19.840
with respect to techniques, watch that
we don' t have problems, that

1028
01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:24.600
doesn' t give you good.
I understand, that I understand, I

1029
01:27:24.720 --> 01:27:28.880
assume already this we will see in
the comments today successively, that a part

1030
01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:33.159
of your audience already controls the phenomenon. So they are travelers and they pass

1031
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:36.079
it clear form, that they are
spontaneously at best, maybe from birth or

1032
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:42.279
to root some event or have learned
it, they have developed the technique And

1033
01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:46.199
the good news is that, according
to the experience according to the data,

1034
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:54.640
because surely all or almost all of
them experience them spontaneously during sleep, but

1035
01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.319
they do not remember. Okay,
they don' t remember. Then there

1036
01:27:57.399 --> 01:28:02.920
are techniques to connect with that,
remember it and handle it something very similar

1037
01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:06.560
to a lucid dream, but with
its nuances. Okay, then. All

1038
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:13.239
the recommended techniques go through the relationship
of whether to practice relaxation, you have

1039
01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:17.159
to place yourself in a context,
in an environment where you can relax,

1040
01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:21.760
where you can spend fifteen minutes,
half an hour, a quiet hour.

1041
01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:27.000
Evidently, the ideal is when you' re sleeping, because you know you

1042
01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:31.000
' re going to have a much
wider time frame. But if we want

1043
01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:39.359
to practice it outside of that the
dream, because we have to choose a

1044
01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:44.520
comfortable place, where there are not
going to be slammed air currents that close

1045
01:28:44.920 --> 01:28:48.640
the window, where no one will
enter in unexpectedly, that will stand out,

1046
01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:54.000
where we do not have distracting noises, you know a suitable temperature,

1047
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:56.760
that is, the place that we
would choose to relax and to sleep.

1048
01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:03.199
That each one adapts little to its
resource and to the environment in which you

1049
01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:08.279
are. We can use some kind
of music. That goes a little bit

1050
01:29:08.359 --> 01:29:11.720
to the taste of all these piural
sounds that I think is sure to be

1051
01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:15.199
good. Of course that makes it
easy to sound by mouth save you part

1052
01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:21.199
of this tour using good incense which
can help everyone relax in its fundamental.

1053
01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:30.560
Then it all happens in that phase, one by learning to get physically relaxed,

1054
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:36.279
really notice that, from the somatic
point of view, your body is

1055
01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:41.720
relaxed, that you are able to
leave it behind, that you have no

1056
01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:45.880
discomfort, that you are not feeling
the weight on a certain part, or

1057
01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:48.279
that it squeezes a garment or things
of these. That is to really relax,

1058
01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:55.760
because with a countdown, little by
little breathing well, there are many

1059
01:29:55.840 --> 01:30:00.600
techniques deep breathing relationship the flame that
you can look for on YouTube, which

1060
01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:02.800
is very faci clear, any technique
of this is fundamental. That, that

1061
01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:06.159
' s a pillar of astral travel
and altered states of consciousness in general.

1062
01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:12.079
A second fundamental pillar is also visualization. We have to learn to visualize.

1063
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:17.079
We have to learn to visualize and
that is also facilitated by the state of

1064
01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:21.079
relaxation, that is, we have
to because many of the techniques pass by

1065
01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:27.319
to see you, to imagine you
in certain situations and of course, for

1066
01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:31.520
that we have to have a capacity
to visualize trained. Not to say that

1067
01:30:31.640 --> 01:30:34.960
if I tell you I imagine an
apple, you see an apple and you

1068
01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:40.199
don' t see anything else that
happens often. I imagine an apple and

1069
01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:44.640
you imagine a pineapple, or you
imagine a car, or you imagine the

1070
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.399
neighbor or neighbor that you like a
little bit, that is, you have

1071
01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:51.439
to learn to visualize, because the
techniques happen, because you see yourself coming

1072
01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:56.000
out of your body, because you
see yourself floating, that is, in

1073
01:30:56.079 --> 01:31:00.119
these first moments, in that second
phase, which is visualization, Once you

1074
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:06.159
are relaxed, you have to imagine, visualize how it enters, for example,

1075
01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:12.720
in some techniques, a beam of
white light that invades you, that

1076
01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:16.840
covers your whole body, that impregnates
you and that you separate. You have

1077
01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:21.119
to go visualizing this, that separates
your physical body, your consciousness, your

1078
01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:28.000
double astral, For example, even
the level of visualization can be so precise

1079
01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:32.199
that you can imagine this at the
cellular level, even at the organ level

1080
01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:35.439
or at the level of parts of
the body, That is, that you

1081
01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:43.359
see how that detachment is produced and
it takes shape a kind of double more

1082
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.920
solid or subtler, more luminous or
denser, more like you as a double

1083
01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:54.359
as it is or in a more
silent way. But you have to imagine

1084
01:31:54.479 --> 01:32:00.319
that, which is a very important
second phase. Then, from this moment

1085
01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:05.000
on, it depends on the author. Some recommend that you imagine a kind

1086
01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:11.960
of trapdoor in your skull, in
your mind, a kind of window through

1087
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:19.439
which you go peeking goes somehow escaping
or coming out that double. That would

1088
01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:24.720
be a possibility. Other authors suggest
that when you imagine that double, I

1089
01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:27.359
am making the gesture here that they
are not seeing, but well, they

1090
01:32:27.439 --> 01:32:31.000
have to imagine one hand over another
how they separate and the double is detached

1091
01:32:31.119 --> 01:32:35.680
from the physique. That is another
technique, that is, that second phase

1092
01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:42.439
of pure visualization and imagination. And
from practice, that is, from actually

1093
01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:46.880
getting a deep relaxation and if altered
state of consciousness and control, that is,

1094
01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:54.800
having the attention in visualization. There
will come a time when you will

1095
01:32:54.880 --> 01:33:00.520
experience and each person may vary,
but they are usually frequent symptoms or signs.

1096
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.560
You' re going to experience two
things, two or three things.

1097
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:10.920
First, a vibration. If your
body vibrates, we remember what we talked

1098
01:33:10.960 --> 01:33:14.600
about before the property. There'
s like some sort of acceleration and you

1099
01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:19.520
' re gonna notice that that'
s different from something natural. You'

1100
01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:24.439
re gonna recognize it as something distinctive
and a buzz is a kind of sound.

1101
01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:31.520
Some describe it as an engine,
as something that goes like accelerating exactly

1102
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:36.079
something like that. Then they are
two of the signs of what in other

1103
01:33:38.079 --> 01:33:43.800
contexts, such as epilepsy or sleep
paralysis, is usually called aura. Not

1104
01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:48.760
to say not esoteric laura as with
colors, but the most medical term,

1105
01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:56.119
so let' s say that they
are the signals for you to be prepared,

1106
01:33:57.039 --> 01:34:03.479
because that acceleration and that vibration seem
to be symptoms of the unfolding.

1107
01:34:04.119 --> 01:34:10.079
And it is important to be very
attentive to that Juange, because it comes

1108
01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:15.680
next, there comes a key phase, a key moment, that is,

1109
01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:20.359
if you overcome it, you will
have a traveler at that moment and if

1110
01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:23.840
you are not going to return as
a massace to your body. There'

1111
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:29.199
s a time when this is so
cooled down and intensified so much, that

1112
01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:30.840
there' s like a click in
which you see yourself and out, that

1113
01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:35.319
is, you' re already seeing
yourself and there that moment is key.

1114
01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:41.760
There you panic the most absolute,
that is, the error, the terror

1115
01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:45.439
in the vast majority of people,
what there is at that moment and my

1116
01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:49.119
own experience has little to do with
that now, if there is a moment,

1117
01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:54.800
I tell you, because everything you
have read in literature, everything that

1118
01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:59.680
others have told you, is of
no use. You' re facing the

1119
01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:02.560
most. You looked like death.
If at that moment you' re seeing

1120
01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:08.800
yourself outside and you' re seeing
your conscience, your common sense, your

1121
01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:10.760
reason, your intellect, your culture, you' re telling you, but

1122
01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:13.119
let' s see. This can' t be. This can' t

1123
01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:15.279
be. I' m dead,
I' m dead. And that'

1124
01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:17.079
s where you panic. You know
the panic in anxiety, I mean,

1125
01:35:17.279 --> 01:35:19.279
my mother, I mean, that
she groans dead, that I didn'

1126
01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:23.000
t want to die, I mean
I want to go back, I don

1127
01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:27.079
' t want to go back.
So that moment I tell you, I

1128
01:35:27.159 --> 01:35:30.159
count it with other people so that
you' re ready, so that I

1129
01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:32.840
manage it, so that you calm
down, so that I breathe that you

1130
01:35:32.840 --> 01:35:34.479
haven' t died, that is, it' s fair that' s

1131
01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:38.199
what you' re looking for.
That' s why you' ve been

1132
01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:44.479
training for days so you can get
it, I mean, stay calm because

1133
01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:46.560
you come back as soon as you
want, that is, to the veversity

1134
01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:50.159
of thought. But since you'
re out and you' ve done it,

1135
01:35:51.560 --> 01:35:58.479
Jolinés, you have to get over
that moment to be able to enjoy

1136
01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:01.600
that first experience, because the panic
that you live makes many people immediately come

1137
01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:08.199
back, that is, enter your
body abruptly and jump in You know your

1138
01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:16.159
body even reacts with a small tremor, like an even physical jump, which

1139
01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:25.399
is real, that is, and
then that feeling, that fear, makes

1140
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:28.279
it difficult for next occasions. Not
because good already, but good if you

1141
01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:31.680
get over it. You' re
at the key moment to be able to

1142
01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:35.319
travel, explore your surroundings. I
didn' t risk you at that first

1143
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:38.720
moment getting too far away. There, you are far away, that is

1144
01:36:38.840 --> 01:36:45.319
to say, take confidence and try
to touch something, that is, to

1145
01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:48.199
approach a place where you know your
own body, to observe your own experience

1146
01:36:48.319 --> 01:36:51.640
of observing you, to say it
is different, to see you in a

1147
01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:56.560
mirror, then good. You can
even try to see if you have a

1148
01:36:56.560 --> 01:37:00.119
body. You know if there'
s a mirror nearby, you know,

1149
01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:06.520
all this kind of stuff can be
done in this first or second experiences for

1150
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:09.319
you to gain insecurity and apart from
there, you can get away now.

1151
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:13.479
But you have to be constant.
It has to be constant and in the

1152
01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:18.239
case of sleep, it is programming. Programming, I mean I want to

1153
01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:21.239
wake up. This is a pure
and hard psychological technique for many things.

1154
01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:26.279
I don' t want to wake
up? When I' m naked,

1155
01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:29.119
when I' m projected, when
you' re dating, I want to

1156
01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:33.920
wake up. And this is programming. You know, and based on forcing

1157
01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:38.560
it, that is, programming you, the time will come when you'

1158
01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:45.800
re going to be conscious, not
then clear to the first occasions that you

1159
01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:48.600
' re conscious. Anyway, it' s hard for you to realize that

1160
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:53.079
you' re aware and that you' re not still in a dream that

1161
01:37:53.079 --> 01:37:55.159
you think you are. Well,
then. This is a matter of practicing

1162
01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:59.800
it, being persevering, not being
in an eternity, that is, if

1163
01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:04.479
to you at two or three weeks
you do not experience any result leave them,

1164
01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:13.479
it is not your moments your phenomenon
changes technique, but both the first

1165
01:38:13.560 --> 01:38:16.640
of relaxation visualization and that of dreams, this usually results, that is,

1166
01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:20.560
ten days, fifteen days, if
you are persevering, and you have to

1167
01:38:20.600 --> 01:38:24.960
take into account the fear, in
the first case and in the second case,

1168
01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:30.680
that dream component that can lead you
to think that it is a dream

1169
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:35.159
then ready to take. There you
have to wake up at that moment and

1170
01:38:35.199 --> 01:38:39.439
there are differences between the lucid sleep
and the astral journey, which will not

1171
01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:42.319
give you time to count. But
there are some very recent studies in Argentina

1172
01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:48.079
that, in addition, have found
differences in the emotional burden, of some

1173
01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:54.239
experiences and of others, in the
patterns that follow at the brain level,

1174
01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:58.000
some experiences and others. I mean, it' s good that these are

1175
01:38:58.000 --> 01:38:59.960
some of the techniques I' m
counting on in the book. There'

1176
01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:05.039
s another extreme. Not as a
good thing, I included them in a

1177
01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:13.720
descriptive way like eating or eating dinner
or having something very salty without drinking water.

1178
01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:16.119
And then, right now we'
re going to force the physical.

1179
01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:23.359
This technique was used a lot at
the beginning of the 20th century and apparently

1180
01:39:23.479 --> 01:39:31.399
gave results in a persevering and recurring
way, because it was interpreted as the

1181
01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:39.039
thirst you experienced leading you to unfold
in search of water. It said at

1182
01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:43.600
night, then it was an extreme
way to force him. Listen to the

1183
01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:45.680
secretory. It doesn' t give
me time anymore, because I' m

1184
01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:47.479
not going to finish the interview and
I don' t want to edit anything

1185
01:39:47.479 --> 01:39:50.199
at all. I want to insert
the inte. Dude, you don'

1186
01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:56.439
t know how happy it has made
me to meet you again after a decade,

1187
01:39:56.800 --> 01:40:00.880
you and me dating Canaria in Colombia, ten zero kilometers from your house,

1188
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:01.880
and know that here you have your
house in a short while. I

1189
01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:05.399
hope we can see each other either
in Madrid, or take a little trip

1190
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:08.600
to the Canary Islands, which I
haven' t been there for a long

1191
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:11.560
time. I wish you well,
you' re a crack man. Anything

1192
01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:15.079
would make you feel better about some
other interview. Of course, I would

1193
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:20.560
like to recommend the book by José
Gregorio González. How to make an astral

1194
01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:24.880
journey. Your conclusion and your closings, José Gregorio. Well, I'

1195
01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:29.119
ll see this, but it'
s because of you that I feel an

1196
01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:31.279
extraordinary affection, a great admiration.
I hope soon the virtual. It helps,

1197
01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:35.520
obviously, but I hope that soon
we can have a hug. And

1198
01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:40.039
well, beyond all that we have
commented, the great message and the great

1199
01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:44.199
value of the phenomenon that we have
talked about is that it gives us clue

1200
01:40:44.279 --> 01:40:49.399
about our transcendence and to have clue
that we are transcendent beings, that we

1201
01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:53.359
are something more than this, that
we experience, that it is very good

1202
01:40:53.399 --> 01:40:56.399
and that we must enjoy it and
experience it to the fullest. It is

1203
01:40:56.479 --> 01:41:01.279
also an invitation to cultivate ourselves and
to do a little better with the environment,

1204
01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:06.319
with those around us and with ourselves, thinking that everything we do in

1205
01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:12.520
this life has an echo in eternity
and in a multiverse. José Gregorio González,

1206
01:41:12.560 --> 01:41:15.640
a fellow friend, a strong hug
and many thanks, a Ford hug,

1207
01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:20.720
friend, what a brutal interview,
because the theme is astral travel.

1208
01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:29.720
We repeat the name of the book
How to make an astral journey by José

1209
01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:31.840
Gregorio González Editorial Luciernaga. You have
it on Amazon here, all over Latin

1210
01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:36.960
America. But the research done to
Joseph Gregory is great, because it opens

1211
01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:45.079
up to us a whole world,
not only extracorporeal appearances, but it is

1212
01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:49.960
also talking to us about near-
death experiences, how they relate to this,

1213
01:41:50.840 --> 01:41:56.279
how we are really travelers of a
multiverse and when our life ends,

1214
01:41:57.199 --> 01:42:00.960
we go from universe to universe to
universe. He' s talking to us

1215
01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:06.840
that our consciousness is beyond our body. And what hit me the most about

1216
01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:13.159
parallel worlds, our life in a
parallel world and being able to see that.

1217
01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:16.319
I would love to keep the technique
and see if we always start practicing

1218
01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:19.960
a little bit at the Jandra Barna
No Mara Villa. From that juange about

1219
01:42:20.039 --> 01:42:24.239
what you commented about the relationship of
astral journeys with near- death experiences.

1220
01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:30.880
A few days ago, Juange reported
on a study conducted by Zamparni, one

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of the major references to near-
death NDEs worldwide, where he conducted a

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study with five hundred and seventy-
six Juange patients and twenty percent of them,

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who were living cardiopulmonary resuscitation, that
is, had clinically dead. Exactly

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Juange, they had near death experiences
from where he rents twenty percent quite high

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percentage. Juanje and what Samparnia says
right now, because it was an investigation

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that was made of two thousand seventeen, two thousand twenty before the pandemic.

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It is that for him it is
not a hallucination, it is not a

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trap of the mind Champarney uses that
question, that literary figure Juanse, but

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clearly is a true experience. People
whose consciences come out of the body and

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are able to describe medical procedures,
details of the continuances, of the doctors,

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conversations of the same and others.
Something amazing and total and absolutely real,

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and it' s that death is
nothing more than a step into our

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life, it' s not an
end. And all this that we have

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talked about today takes us back to
the time of the Thamans, where these

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men were able to get out of
their bodies to get into a magical world

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of angels, demons, fairies and
beings of other dimensions. Alejandro varnal Neo

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inclusion of your close friend a wonderful
journey, Juan Ge, through I believe

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that one of the most interesting themes
also in the world of mystery that had

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asked us in the comments. We
had always been told to talk about astral

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travel and how good to approach it
from a journalistic point of view. But

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I research, Juan very interesting the
exercise we did with José Gregorio González and

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I keep something you said. I
think it' s a journey through dimensions,

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a multidimensional journey. When we talk
about this type of experiences related to

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astral trips, make it interesting to
know your experiences and if you can share

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it with us or if you have
already made experiences of astral trips, share

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it there through chat, in the
comments on YouTube, because Juan and I

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want to read them and I can
follow them on social networks, through Twitter,

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Instagram and tiktok in arroba a bernal
pres with s Many thanks, friend,

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because tell you what I say many
times that we redraw the limits of

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reality. One thing is what we
see, what we touch on empirically,

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and another thing is the world of
consciousness and the spiritual, because I do

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believe in that multiverse. I do
believe that we have a soul, a

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consciousness that is immortal, that lives
in a multiverse where there are forces,

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dark and light forces, so when
they come out of their bodies, if

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they do this kind of technique,
always look for the light and why not

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that fascinating parallel world where another I
have another life that is possibly fascinating and

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never forget that we live in a
magical world because it is full of mystery