June 12, 2024
Salvatore Mancuso habló de su relación con Abelardo de la Espriella
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I am struck by the attention that
you describe as restorative management what Mr President
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of Fedegan, José Feliz Lafori,
has been doing in the peace process with
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Eln I want to ask him what
was the role of José Félix Lafforie in
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the election of Mario Guarán as Attorney
General of the Nation and what was the
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participation of the self- defense groups
in that election of the Attorney General.
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Well, look, I' m
going back to what you say. Mr
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Lafor is playing an excellent role for
the country and for peace as a peace
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manager in the negotiations with the ELNE
and that seems to me to be absolutely
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rescueable and that is what I would
invite all those who have said certain kinds
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of responsibilities directly or indirectly in the
armed conflict to which forward is the way
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peace is made in the country and
I really applaud it. As for the
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issue of Mario Guaran' s election, I was demobilized by that time.
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I was proposed that if I could
help tip the balance in favour of Mr
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Mario Barán, who by that time
was or had been Minister of Justice.
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Even that reason is sent by the
minister, Dr. Sabas Pretel de la
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Vega, and the one who was
most chosen to win it to be appointed
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by the Supreme Court of Justice Attorney
General of the Nation was Mr Jorge Pretel.
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But this situation changed as different people
and self- defense commanders were touched
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to tip that balance and to elect
Mr Mariguarán as Attorney General. Why I
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had designed it. He had been
the author of the law nine thousand seven
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five out of two thousand five and
could better implement it. Moreover, the
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reason was that it was supposedly a
request made directly by the President of the
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Republic to Barurif, that is,
you received that as a reason from the
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President of the Republic and the Minischo
Cinta at that time. I told you
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that if you received this as a
reason from the President of the Republic and
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the Minister of the Interior at that
time, correct. He also wants to
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ask you about the involvement of Belardo
de las Priellas in this and, in
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general, his relationship with the lawyer
of the Ardo de las Fieras. Well,
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Abelardo is a friend known from young
logicians. I am older to him
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speaking is very friend, a very
deep, very big relationship with Dr Mario
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Huaran for that time, since before
he was pisco, when he was Attorney
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General, they were close friends.
They had great ancestry from one over the
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other. And that' s basically
what I know about Abelardo. He was
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with Fipaz in the Santa federalito area
with several universities in the country, with
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several students from those universities, when
the negotiation process with the Government of President
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Oribel was taking place. This Fipaz
foundation to which he belonged at the time
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of the art of the pieces,
because he was not a known lawyer,
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but rather they knew him there because
he had been the singer of the group
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of Ballenato Iván Villazón. This Pipaz
foundation appears as a beneficiary of contributions from
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a common fund of the paramilitary chiefs, that an accounting carried by Jairo Andrés
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Sangarita Commander Andrés and that, among
other things, financed his trip to Bogotá
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to speak in Congress. You know
how that FIFAZ Foundation funding worked, from
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which he was a lawyer of the
art of the dates. I don'
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t know how FIPAZ worked at the
time, because Ernesto Baez, Commander Ernesto
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Baez, handled it. Yes,
all the commanders made a contribution to the
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management of the realito zone when we
started these negotiations with Drini' s government
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and those resources were handled by Commander
Andrés, but I don' t know
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exactly how FIPAS worked and the resources
that reached there.
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I am struck by the attention that
you describe as restorative management what Mr President
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00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:10.000
of Fedegan, José Feliz Lafori,
has been doing in the peace process with
3
00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:18.920
Eln I want to ask him what
was the role of José Félix Lafforie in
4
00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:24.760
the election of Mario Guarán as Attorney
General of the Nation and what was the
5
00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:28.719
participation of the self- defense groups
in that election of the Attorney General.
6
00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:34.679
Well, look, I' m
going back to what you say. Mr
7
00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:40.560
Lafor is playing an excellent role for
the country and for peace as a peace
8
00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:47.399
manager in the negotiations with the ELNE
and that seems to me to be absolutely
9
00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:56.759
rescueable and that is what I would
invite all those who have said certain kinds
10
00:00:56.799 --> 00:01:00.840
of responsibilities directly or indirectly in the
armed conflict to which forward is the way
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00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.959
peace is made in the country and
I really applaud it. As for the
12
00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:10.640
issue of Mario Guaran' s election, I was demobilized by that time.
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00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:17.799
I was proposed that if I could
help tip the balance in favour of Mr
14
00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:22.640
Mario Barán, who by that time
was or had been Minister of Justice.
15
00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:32.400
Even that reason is sent by the
minister, Dr. Sabas Pretel de la
16
00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:42.480
Vega, and the one who was
most chosen to win it to be appointed
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00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:48.200
by the Supreme Court of Justice Attorney
General of the Nation was Mr Jorge Pretel.
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00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:57.920
But this situation changed as different people
and self- defense commanders were touched
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00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:05.079
to tip that balance and to elect
Mr Mariguarán as Attorney General. Why I
20
00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:09.199
had designed it. He had been
the author of the law nine thousand seven
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00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:15.039
five out of two thousand five and
could better implement it. Moreover, the
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00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:20.520
reason was that it was supposedly a
request made directly by the President of the
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00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:27.479
Republic to Barurif, that is,
you received that as a reason from the
24
00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:31.240
President of the Republic and the Minischo
Cinta at that time. I told you
25
00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:36.840
that if you received this as a
reason from the President of the Republic and
26
00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:43.120
the Minister of the Interior at that
time, correct. He also wants to
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00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.240
ask you about the involvement of Belardo
de las Priellas in this and, in
28
00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:53.759
general, his relationship with the lawyer
of the Ardo de las Fieras. Well,
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00:02:53.800 --> 00:03:00.919
Abelardo is a friend known from young
logicians. I am older to him
30
00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:06.840
speaking is very friend, a very
deep, very big relationship with Dr Mario
31
00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:10.599
Huaran for that time, since before
he was pisco, when he was Attorney
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00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:17.520
General, they were close friends.
They had great ancestry from one over the
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00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:24.400
other. And that' s basically
what I know about Abelardo. He was
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00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:30.719
with Fipaz in the Santa federalito area
with several universities in the country, with
35
00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:39.639
several students from those universities, when
the negotiation process with the Government of President
36
00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:46.360
Oribel was taking place. This Fipaz
foundation to which he belonged at the time
37
00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.479
of the art of the pieces,
because he was not a known lawyer,
38
00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.080
but rather they knew him there because
he had been the singer of the group
39
00:03:54.080 --> 00:04:00.159
of Ballenato Iván Villazón. This Pipaz
foundation appears as a beneficiary of contributions from
40
00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:04.759
a common fund of the paramilitary chiefs, that an accounting carried by Jairo Andrés
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00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:10.800
Sangarita Commander Andrés and that, among
other things, financed his trip to Bogotá
42
00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:16.759
to speak in Congress. You know
how that FIFAZ Foundation funding worked, from
43
00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:23.720
which he was a lawyer of the
art of the dates. I don'
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00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:30.040
t know how FIPAZ worked at the
time, because Ernesto Baez, Commander Ernesto
45
00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:34.279
Baez, handled it. Yes,
all the commanders made a contribution to the
46
00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:40.639
management of the realito zone when we
started these negotiations with Drini' s government
47
00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:46.040
and those resources were handled by Commander
Andrés, but I don' t know
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00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.079
exactly how FIPAS worked and the resources
that reached there.
