Revista Cambio revela reunión secreta de Gustavo Petro con la fiscal (e) Martha Mancera

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The WU' s Colonel' s
report not one more minute expected. Here

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' s Friday' s Colonel Daniel
Good Morning July report. Initially the report

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was going to be more Friday than
what I' m going to tell you

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today, but this is today'
s Colonel report that I' m going

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to tell you. I' m
going to publish it expanded with all its

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details the magazine Cambio, in the
next three minutes. Most Colombians imagined that

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the relationship between Prosecutor- in-
charge Marta Mancera and the President of the

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Republic, Gustavo Petro, could not
be worse. Petro has published numerous trinoes

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asking for public questions to Francisco Barbosa' s Deputy Prosecutor and now Attorney General

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Marta Mancera, about the alleged cover- up of the director of the ct

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and the Prosecutor' s Office in
good fortune over those who weigh questions,

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for alleged, relations with drug traffickers, smugglers and arms traffickers. Right here

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was the first revelation of the matter
and several subsequent revelations. The urgency of

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many people and of the Government itself
for the Supreme Court of Justice to promptly

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select the new prosecutor was based on
the inconvenience of keeping a seriously questioned person,

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such as the advance doctor, at
the head of an investigative lens.

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But before that, the struggle of
Francisco Barbosa' s messages and Gutso Petro

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' s responses, pointing directly to
Marta Mancera, do not give for tea

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with cookies. However, it happened
on Wednesday of last week, March 6,

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a day before the vote, that
everyone expected would dethrone the favorite Amelia

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Pérez as a result of her husband
Gregorio Oviedo' s clumsy and intemperate rude

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trines. Hours before Adriana Camargo became
the new favorite to be the Attorney General

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of the Nation, President Gustavo Petro
and the prosecutor in charge of the stage

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sat down to speak. It was
the house of the Minister of Justice,

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Néstor Osuna, who confirmed the celebration
of this silent meeting of the report.

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The Minister told me last night that
the initiative of the meeting was by the

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Bifiscal in charge, Hernando Toro,
who visited him in his office a few

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days earlier and told him that if
he thought it possible to organize a discreet

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meeting between the President and the Mancera
Prosecutor Osuna he took the message to the

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President and always within the most stealth. They agreed that the meeting would take

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place at the Minister of Justice'
s house last Wednesday. Shortly after seven

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o' clock in the evening,
they arrived at the apartment of Minister Suuna,

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the prosecutor in charge of Marta Mancera
with Vice- Viscal Hernando Toro.

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The street of the exclusive sector inhabited
by the Minister was filled with armored vans

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and the neighbors saw the presidential caravan
arrive with the president and his right hand,

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Laura Sarabia. Minister Osuna and her
husband Mauricio Arroyave welcomed the distinguished visitors.

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After the salutations of rigor. The
meeting was divided into two. In

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the room were the hosts with the
Bicefiscal Hernando Toro and the Chief of Staff,

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Laura Sarabia, who, by the
way, has been prosecuted by the

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prosecutor' s office that to date
in mancer and bull heads. In the

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meantime, President Gustavo Petro and Prosecutor
Martas Marta Mancera met in the studio behind

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closed doors. Only the two of
them know with absolute certainty what was spoken

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for forty minutes. But the truth
is that the meeting has a difficult presentation,

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in addition to the presence of Laura
Sarabia, tried by the Prosecutor'

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s Office, in a meeting with
prosecutor and prosecutor' s bis, because

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first, everything that the President had
been saying about Dr Mancera and that is

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recorded in his account of x continued
reading that the former Prosecutor Barbosa and the

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Prosecutor' s Office have said institutionally
about Petro' s alleged plan to interfere

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with the process of his questioned son, Nicolás Petro, who allegedly received unholy

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and undeclared funding for the election of
his silver dad, with which he stayed

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at least in part. Third,
the striking coincidence of the holding of this

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secret meeting outside the palace and the
prosecutor' s office just, on the

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eve of the vote of the Supreme
Court of Justice, which made today'

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s elected prosecutor Marta Mancera a favorite. The investigation and the revelation is by

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journalist Silvia Charri and to discuss this
issue, we greet this work to the

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director of change Federico Gómez Lar Federico
how you knew about the meeting Daniel very

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good morning. A greeting to the
record of the WU bull audience because to

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see this is somehow the story of
a betrayal. When Sylvia Charry got this

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information about the meeting between Peto and
Marcabancera. Well, let' s say,

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we found it interesting, but we
saw it with great skepticism, because

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we couldn' t believe that one
thing had happened, given the encounters that

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have existed between each other. What
we first learned was that Barbosa was furious

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with the mancer when he heard about
this secret meeting with his neme, Gustavo

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pet' s president, because he
felt betrayed by a person whom he had

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defended with a sword cape. In
other words, Barbosa felt that he went

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out and as soon as that happened
his protégé was already meeting with him,

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with the President. Barbosa had been
taken to washing where she had taken photos

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in front of the Department of Justice. And so in the context of all

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this, that this curious federal meeting
is presented to see the differences between President

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Petro, on the one hand,
and the former president Barbosa and Magi,

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the prosecutor in charge of mancera,
on the other. They reached their worst

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climate with investigations to Nicolás Petro and
Laura Sarabia. How it is explained that

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Laura Sarabia, prosecuted by the prosecution, ended up in a social meeting with

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the prosecutor and the bifiscal in charge
when we were conducting this investigation. Of

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course, we' re looking for
all the parties and we' re looking

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for the prosecutor' s marta mancera
of yours. He would have answered the

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phone to give us his version.
Surely it would have been very interesting to

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ask you about the presence of the
hour Sarabia, Lila. The situation is

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absolutely unusual, because it has no
presentation that the two heads of the ante

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investigator meet with the investigated, let
alone outside of any institutional channel. Surely

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that answer I imagine I could say
something like that the prosecutors are independent and

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that they are not the prosecutors in
the case. But you know that in

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cases of high profile, let us
say the question of the independence of prosecutors.

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We know how it works there and
nobody believes me. According to a

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source in the last hours, the
discocal Toro had a previous meeting with the

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President in Palacio to discuss investigations into
corruption by a public entity, and at

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that meeting many things were said and
subjects were tied that the prosecutor at that

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time said they were, therefore,
out of their capacity and action, because

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the prosecutor Vancera had transferred the functions
of the bise Public Prosecutor' s Office

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to the space of the prosecutor Yes
and then they came in other resolutions,

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returning some of those functions and putting
others in the office of Vice Iscal Federico.

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That meeting of President Petro and Prosecutor
Mancera takes place on Wednesday night,

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March 6. The next day,
Thursday, at nine o' clock in

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the morning, it was known that
the Supreme Court of Justice was going to

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meet in Plena Hall to vote for
the new prosecutor at that time, at

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the time of the meeting, and
in all bets the favorite was light Adriana

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Camargo. The election of the new
prosecutor was part of the conversation between the

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President and Marta Mancera. Let'
s get this straight. You think there

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were agreements between them that the country
doesn' t know. You point out

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that. I answer it with the
same clarity as according to source, we

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must look at this meeting in its
context. Not what you know. Let

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us say from circles very close to
the President, that is, by that

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time the virtual prosecutor and today elected
Attorney General, Dr Camalgo, had lost

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the President' s favor of that
aspiration. According to them, he was

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not seen with very good eyes and
it was clear that the aspiration of the

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author of Anaya Pérez had deflated.
The sources mention to us that this pact,

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moreover, will be reflected with the
appointment of the Deputy Prosecutor and other

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acts of the Public Prosecutor' s
Office that give peace of mind to Mancera

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and in some way to President Gustavo
Petro Mancera, since he is a person

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who has lived his entire public life
within the Public Prosecutor' s Office and

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who knows the entity very well,
while President Petro barely intuits the sources,

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what they assure us is that the
Deputy Attorney General of the Nation is going

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to be Dr Gilberto Javier Guerra de
Díaz, who was the prosecutor delegated to

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the Chief Prosecutorial Court in Cali,
just as she was Director of Prosecutors in

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Bua, so that it is at
least strange that it exists. Let'

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s say the animal version known between
t primanchera and entreptos and barbosa and everything

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that happened during that prosecution, because
it is putting up appointments that seem more

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of continuity than of change. Here. So we shall see this, let

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us say that it will materialize in
the next few days. But what I

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did in the sources is interesting,
because it is precisely what I tell you

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that the discomfort of the President for
that moment, with the tern, with

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the fall of Media Pérez and with
the latent possibility of electing Luz Adriana Camargo,

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had reached such a point that even
President preferred to change the eternal.

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And this, then, is also
presented in the context of the surprising resignation

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of Dr Amelia injured, which in
my opinion, looks bad, that we

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say her as a bad loser and
that she presents herself to the wrong corporation

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and on a very particular day.
But Federico, let' s see if

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we believe in that conspiracy theory,
why Dr Amelia Perez was there. This

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happened on Wednesday night, six.
Thursday was the vote that gave thirteen votes

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to Dr Camargo and on Monday,
Dr Amelia Pérez gives an interview in the

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newspaper The time where she says she
will not resign. On Tuesday, he

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woke up thinking otherwise and also resigning
where he did not play in the Supreme

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Court of Justice, which did not
have the power to nominate him. Then

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how all these things fit together.
If as you say the President since Wednesday

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night was thinking about the possible disintegration
of the terra, yes, obviously,

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the thing is strange. Surely there' s a phrase you apply that you

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don' t attribute to evil.
I can explain what you have. What

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I believe is that if that,
in fact, was as the sources do

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not say, because simply to the
author, Amelia Pérez lecos gave the night

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to pre sit her resignation. Surely
she thought that her candidacy could be saved

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until the last moment, because it
must be remembered that in the first ballots,

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Dr Media seemed favorite and suddenly she
thought she was able to recover that

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thirteen- vote vote she had cast. But that audio has already gone since

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Thursday of that, since Monday,
because the election of the Ariana Camargo was

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sung with the eighteen votes. There
was even a chance there would be twenty.

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That campaign, as I am assured, began to grow exponentially just when

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the judges of the Court learned that
the Minister of Defense, Ivan Velázquez,

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very close to Camargo' s spiral, was not going to have an inheritance

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or had not even been appointed.
It says prosecutor. Why, because Ivan

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Velázquez had demanded the election of seven
of the magistrates and a closeness to him

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or a participation of him. And
there it is inside the prosecution, because

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it was very bad for the court. The proof of that is that Dr

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Camargo had to put the cards on
the Ghent table and sing the name of

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her high school. We' ll
see if that appointment materializes, no,

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but let' s say that this
is a real political and judicial soap opera

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and because at least it' s
disturbing to have the first- time theater

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meeting and the context that' s
presented. It should be recalled that the

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President Laterna band in full book of
his son Nicholas, with his son Nicholas

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captured in the prosecution, sending a
message of independence and in no way interfering

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in the bedecisions on the prosecutor'
s hersion. A sitting of the President

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with the prosecutor in charge of Athens
a few days before and an outcome like

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the one we saw of a resignation
festival of one of the candidates, because

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it arouses many doubts, this not
to speak, but that we mentioned at

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the beginning of the Presidency of Laura
Sarabia, a person who is subject,

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who is suces for taxation with the
heads of identity. Now that it'

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s the government' s excitement about
it, but of course it' s

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worrying. Well the secret meeting between
President Gustavo Petro and his apparent counterpart Manta

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Madre Marta mancera thousand thanks to the
magazine in return, the journalist Silvia Charris

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and the director Federico Gómez Lara for
sharing with us their first, which at

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this time has just been published.
Instead, Colombia, dot com I'

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m going to hang up and I' m going to talk to one of

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the attendees at the meeting who came
to communicate with me just when we were

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on the air. So I don' t rule out coming back later with

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an extra colonel report.