Me han criticado por haber utilizado groserías como cualquier otra persona: Daniel Rojas

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Mr Minister, good morning. Good
morning to Daniel the work table and to

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all the listeners of the basic oil. Minister, thank you so much for

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accepting this frank conversation I want to
start by asking you about your on-

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line Twitter messages. You believe that
is the way to express the discrepancy with

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political contradictors. Well, clearly they
have been privileged for the criticism of some

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messages that at some point in my
life I put in the frame with the

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context of indignation as a citizen,
since, therefore, I had no dignity

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either within the Government or within any
office of representation. We are talking about

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the times of social outbreak, the
times when he was simply a citizen with,

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of course, a link to social
and political activism. But to answer

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your question, it is clearly not
the way to answer it. And,

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as in other triunes, since I' m a civil servant, you can

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still be loyal to my principles,
but of course, using the language you

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owe when you have this kind of
dignity. Yes Minister, for some people

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think that this is not just a
matter of good manners, but that this

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verbal strife is a sign of intolerance
and inability to argue with arguments. Let

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me read you a part of the
Spectator' s editorial on the subject I

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open Comillas. President Petro says that
to make that criticism is to concentrate on

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aesthetic forms, but it goes far
beyond that. Rojas' x account shows

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a wine cellar style lover unable to
give complex debates with empathy to TRICN.

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They consider their radicalism and lack of
intellectual rigour. That the new Minister expresses

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himself in a similar way to the
twitter wineries that celebrate so much in the

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House of Nariño, is not a
coincidence, but a demonstration of the way

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in which the President likes politics to
be done. What you answer to that

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criticism would be the Minister. No. I greatly respect the criticisms of the

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press about my appointment and on the
basis of that respect, my answer is

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as follows. I am not very
clear about what reference the editorial makes and

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many of our critics, when they
name wineries let' s say that I

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could intuit that it is the freeling
that the government has with the popular expression

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of the country and that it is
as difficult as starting it And it is

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so difficult to have an acceptance of
the popular demands of the country in some

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part of the Colombian power, that
they have no other way of defining them,

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but wineries. And clearly, we, if we have a feeling,

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we have a coincidence with what the
popular sectors in Colombia express, because we

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represent them, because they come,
because that is our origin. And I

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don' t want to say with
this because the debate has been centered there

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that the popular sectors of the country
only know how to say rude, no,

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but we do have a colombianity,
if we have a culture, if

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we have some ways to see and
understand the reality of the country, that

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has not been understood in the circles
of power. And so the difficulty of

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understanding us. And that' s
why the epithet of wineries on that basis,

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because I think it can be the
editorial reason. We do represent that,

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of course, of course, of
course in the criticisms you will always

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have to go and look for the
triunes more or times that I have put

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in my life as an activist or
in my youth life or in my life

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of indignation, but it has not
suddenly focused on other kinds of publications in

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which we have given all kinds of
debates, arguing, programmatic debates. I

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went to the coordinator of the design
of the presidential program and on that presidential

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program there was any kind of debate
of all kinds, of technical type,

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of political type, in which we
were always arguing, let' s say,

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we always had a spaced argument to
give them clearly, because the criticism

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will not go to seek such pronouncements, but in reality we assume it.

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We assume it and just as we
did when we accepted the presidency of special

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active societies, we accept and understand
that we have certain limitations, but we

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also know that we have many capabilities
to form large teams and to be able

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to assume the data that we are
given. That one. Minister, allow

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me to return for a moment to
the issue of wineries, as it has

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emerged here that they are not only
attributable to sectors that sympathize with the Government,

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but to sectors that disagree with the
Government. What when you talk about

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wineries, is spoken of from coordinated, constant and permanent operations in social networks

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with the purpose of insulting, criminalizing, in some cases or, in the

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other, canceling contents that are not
favorable at some time to the interests,

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for example, of Uribism in some
cases and in other cases, of the

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supporters of President Petro. This coordinated
action is what has been called wineries,

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and it turns out that some exponents
of these activists on social networks are handled

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very successfully using these vulgar or crude
expressions. That' s why they identify

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these expressions of theirs with those of
some of the people we don' t

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have to name, but who have
become part of their character using that kind

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of violent expression verbally and that is
very successful on the social networks s BACOOLIX.

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Well, I don' t coordinate
with anyone in my publications more than

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with myself, and maybe that'
s the mistake. But if that'

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s the definition of wineries, then
my wineries. I am myself because even

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when I am in the za,
because I am currently still president of the

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AVEs, we have a communications team, the postings of my personal account only

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coordinate them with myself and, of
course, sometimes filled with emotions. They

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make or make triunes, or I
make publications that, like any human being,

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because they express feelings that at that
moment I am having. It is

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understood, Minister, obviously, that
the expression of feeling can always be done

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in words that are less intemperate.
Let' s move on to another topic.

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Several voices, including those of educational
experts, have expressed concern that you

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lack academic training and specific experience in
the sector. What enables you, Minister,

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to make the holder of a portfolio
that is decisive for President Petroso'

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s government program. Well, the
education sector. When we talk about the

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educational community or education, we would
have to link not only those who call

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themselves experts, but also all sectors
of society that make up the educational community,

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among them the student movement, among
them the teachers, among them the

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same officials, directors of academic institutions
and institutions linked to the education sector.

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In this type of expression I have
received the greatest of the supports and I

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want to take advantage of the space
to thank you for the affability that within

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the student movement and within the teaching
movement, joined and even within many of

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the rectors of public universities with which
I have already had the opportunity to communicate,

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as they have spoken to me another
type of criticism of people who can

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be called those in the education sector. I separate it into two who come

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to the attack to dominate. And
notice that it is paradoxical that those who

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call themselves educational experts come to the
attack to dominate, that is, to

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attack the person and not the argument, such as the case of Mr Sergio

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Fajardo or the case of Mr Alejandro
Gaviria, to whom I can have the

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utmost respect, but you could not
answer anything because they have come to criticize

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me because at some point I have
used rudeness, like any person to use

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grocers, but let us also say
more aimed at questioning me as people.

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Like another kind of criticism. I
just received a letter from Nabonilla' s

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teacher, whom I admire with respect, even if we have ideological differences,

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from the Secretary of Education. From
Bo a letter in which I find elements

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quite valuable to discuss and to put
in the exercise of my work many of

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the questions that she puts there,
therefore, in the public discussion. So

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I make that difference to the former, because I prefer not to pay much

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attention to them, and to the
latter, because I believe that in them

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I find potrultive criticisms on which we
can draw up a national agreement on education.

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You' re going to sit down
with some of those critics who,

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for example, appoint Dr Nabonilla.
Professor Julián de su Huiría has also made

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respectful criticisms of his experience. You
would be interested in meeting them and listening

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to them, of course. Of
course, it is of my greatest interest

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because I not only recognize them as
valuable people in the education process, who

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have a lot to contribute to the
country and who, in the framework of

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the difference, I insist that education
can be that great nodal point of national

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agreement and for that they turn out
to be tremendously valuable people and I would

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just love to take up the job
of inviting them not only to listen to

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them, because it is one thing
to listen to them, but also to

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link them in the construction of public
policy And let' s say the direction

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that the Ministry should take, but
also I have the same as special societies

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tell them. I am firmly convinced
that I require a team of experts and

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people with a background, but also
the political awareness of change that the government

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program tells us. So welcome the
dialogue, not only so that I insist

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that we have a crossword of words, but also a dialogue with which I

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concretize specific things for the future of
education are of the essence.