Los enredos del italiano que, desde Colombia, reclama ser heredero de Silvio Berlusconi

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In Colonel Bueno' s double or
report if we had an Indian ambassador,

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we now have a nuncio with diplomatic
plates in Barranquilla, Daniel, which brings

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the report today about this curious character. Good morning, July. This is

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today' s Colonel report. Marco
Dinuncio is, according to his documents,

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an Italian citizen, nationalized in Colombia
and resident on the Atlantic Coast. His

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name has gained much notoriety in Italy
because he is claiming part of the immense

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fortune of former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who died in June last year.

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Days after Berlusconi' s death,
Mr Dinuncio deposited in a notary in Naples

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a will apparently signed by the former
minister in the former prime minister in Cartagena,

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Colombia, according to which he had
left him two percent of the shares

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of his company finning Best. These
are assessed at 26 million euros. According

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to that will, berlus Conni also
inherited the Italian resident in Colombia a house

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in Antigua and the ship princhipesa va
and Vía. The authenticity of the will

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that favors Mr Disuncio is questioned.
In Italy. Even the Prosecutor' s

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Office of Milan opened an investigation against
the Colombian italo for the alleged crime of

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falsehood. The Italian press has published
that this investigation is being carried out by

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the prosecutors of Milan, Roberta,
Amadeo and Marcello Viola. The reports state

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that the allegedly falsified will has stamps
from the Notary Primera de Cartagena and is

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postulated by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
of Colombia. The notary who signs it

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is Dr Margarita Rosa Jiménez Nájera,
who sent a letter to the Attorney General

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' s Office in Colombia telling gru
the documents presented by Mr Marco Dinuncio are

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apocryphal, since Mr Berlusconi has never
been presented in this notary of Cartagena.

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I would like to request that the
relevant investigation be carried out in order to

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determine the Sierra Comillas Crime Commission.
But that wasn' t the only notary

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Mr Marco Disuncio visited. Last month
he came to the Notary Eleven de Barranquilla,

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whose title is lawyer Jaime Horta,
to apostillate documents related to a will

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in Italy. Mr Dinuncio arrived when
the notary was closing and that was the

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beginning of an incident that escalated in
tone and in a tutelage action. At

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this hour we greet notary Jaime Horta, Dr Horta, how was the visit

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of Mr Dinnuncio to his office notarial. Thank you, Daniel, good morning,

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good morning July and all the colleagues
of the table wu Mire. That

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one Friday, perhaps 16 February,
at the time of the closure, a

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few minutes earlier, came a gentleman
claiming that he was Italian, who was

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the Pope' s nuncio. Better
soon as Mr Marcos Vinucio' s name.

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Here they deepened it with the nuncio
and, moreover, because it came

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in a cart of diplomatic plates or
plates of the European Union, which are

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tins that here in our midst.
Obviously, we took care of it and

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after it' s already closed to
the office. He continued to ask for

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new services, including a document apostille
to be sent to Italy. We said

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it was too late. I,
when I saw the argument with the employees,

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called him and got him into the
office, I felt there with me.

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I told him we' re going
to do everything we can to help

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him, because in the process of
authentication, but finally it was five and

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forty forty minutes we closed. I
told him to look at the stands and

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they can do them. It can' t be done, because we don

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' t even have the photocopies.
The employer of the photocopies has withdrawn.

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He said don' t do it
to me. At least let me pay

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the value of the postage and I
need to pay that value to prove that

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what I was doing that procedure even
told you things I never said, and

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that and it was also important,
because it came so late. I think

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he did it free to take advantage
of the lockdown and despair a little bit

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of the employees who want to gut
for their homes. But, we agreed

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that he was going to send some
scanned documents and we were still processing it

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on Monday and the drowned one took
care of him, even if I phoned

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him until seven o' clock at
night. He paid for the postulate worth

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120 thousand pesos. He paid with
the tens of fifty- two of ten

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one hundred and fifteen and had five
zero and suddenly the eight mentioned. He

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tells the lawyer whether he would notice
it or not, that the notary is

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over by the rollovers. Listen to
this That floor is serious. That speck

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has been forbidden and that happens to
us here we have instruction that not even

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one weight of propine is received and
all returns are returned because so. And

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I am already in the frank distrust, because one of the documents he presented

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said that he lived in the Sierra
de Nevada, of Santa Marta. Ghosts

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tas. He set us free from
Santa Maria to confuse you, but quino

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methods of the main entrance and I
said look and that in the turns hit

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me a lot. I said look, let' s do one thing.

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Come on Monday, we' ll
give you your money back and we'

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ll cancel this bill and you'
ll take your money. Okay. He

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came back on Monday, obviously,
at twelve and five o' clock on

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the day we' ve covered up
again and forcibly. He went into the

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notary and sat here at the reception
that he did not leave until they did

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not attend and what he needed his
letter and finally groaned at him. It

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' s time to do one,
we open one again. This is lunchtime.

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He didn' t go there anymore. He didn' t come back

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curiously within two or three days,
because you were your amazing Carthagen cloth because

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it flew in three days. It
was distributed, admitted and notified to the

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lotion. We had allegedly discriminated against
him, and the judge strangely ordered that

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an apology be made to the citizen. The funny thing about all this,

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it looks like a chapter of a
whole. Yes, Dr Horta, I

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want to ask you. I want
to stop before the decision on Tutela'

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s action to ask him what it
was about, what was the procedure that

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Mr Nuncio was taking in his notary
was also about Silvio Berlusconi' s will.

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Sure, sure. There were not
several documents, among others, since

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one addressed to the Italian Prosecutor'
s Office, which was what gave us

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as the alert, and I,
as a result, entered Google and lulgued

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and precisely investigated by the prosecutors who
was being robbed and grabbed him one hundred

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million. But characters, the static
truth is not wanted. He looked crazy

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I thought he was drunk. And
as a result of that, I realized

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that it was something was going on
there with this gentleman. Moreover, exactly

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what was the procedure he was demanding, exactly what was the procedure he was

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asking for? Well, it was
kind of a power, a power to

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a lawyer saying who was going to
regret it back there in Turin. Not

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something like that anymore, as I
say, I am not, I did

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not deliver it to detail and the
document was written in Spanish or Italian.

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It was in Italian in Italian,
which obviously makes authentication a little more complicated.

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As you say, or this resulted
in a tutelage action that was decided

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by the fourth municipal judge of small
cases in Cartagena. Why in Cartagena,

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if all this incident was lived in
Barranquilla. Well, that' s one

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of the curiosities. Not the first
one for me is that he, wearing

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Italian here the tamite, did it
as Colombian, as Colombian esanía fabric,

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surprise, not any Italian in Colombia. The Colombian is Colombian. It is

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worth the redundancy and you are absolutely
right, by jurisdiction and because the events

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allegedly occurred in Barranquilla, because you
already admitted yourself in Barranquillas. What'

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s surprising is that they' re
quick to get that tutelage lawsuit ready.

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And besides, it went beyond what
he asked for, because he asked almost

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to stand out the total notary.
Well, you lost your tutelage and the

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judge of Cartagena orders you to apologize
to Mr Marco Nuncio. You' ve

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already complied with the court order,
Dr Horta. Well, I haven'

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t lost my tutelage. The judge
of Cartagena has been ordered to apologize to

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Mr Nuncio. I didn' t
introduce you to them. I am willing

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to my fellow notaries. My colleagues
from all over the country who have surrounded

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me are worried that they could sort
me out. No rest, but I

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am sure that I am right that
we cannot attend to those cases, that

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Thursdays must also respect the autonomy of
notaries. But in addition, there was

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a coincidence that one of these days
was a notella in charge and this one

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is entrusted with a lot of criteria. He made an apology and I think

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they' ll be enough for later
on saying by order of the judge such

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a cartagena, but we' re
sorry. Astayanucho attentively, not so in

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charge. I think this is what
the judge ordered gang, that is,

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you feel that the office has already
complied with the court order and yet you

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are going to take it to a
second instance to see if it is resolved

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in your favor. Of course because
guardianship has, has a remedy and people

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are of first instance. It'
s mandatory, but people have to attack

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it if it' s up to
them to revoke it to the second-

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distance force, which is also in
Cartagena. You know if the prosecution has

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initiated an investigation into the alleged forgery
of Silvio Berlusconi' s will, and

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I am referring to the Colombian Public
Prosecutor' s Office. We know that

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in Italy, if there is an
investigation, yes no. That is the

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strange thing also that, although the
notary of Cartagena is that this was as

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providence for lotario eleven the battle of
Cartagena, she told me that she has

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presented four pucias against the dilutio and
the prosecution has done absolutely nothing, including

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the first the money of episode,
which was supposed to have brought Berlusconia to

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Cartagena to atendicate the document by which
this day two percent of her inheritance.

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Well, it' s twenty-
six million euros plus a house on the

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old one plus a yacht that'
s at stake, and it looks like

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Berlusconi' s heirs, basically his
son, his ex- wife and a

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political ally, aren' t willing
to share. That' s a relatively

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small part of your fortune with Mr
Disuncio. Thank you, Mr Notary Jaime

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Horta. I would very much like
to talk to Mr Marco Dinuncio about this

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episode and Silvio Berlusconi' s will. Surely, that story will continue to

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grow. Mr Look at me,
it' s just that more stuff has

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come out. The same notary first
of Cartagena Buen announced that Mr Dinuncio failed

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his own Italian civil registration to register
in Cartagena as Barcos Cerca and with that

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false registration I tarmito new cells of
citizenship and the regist Abría granted it to

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him. So she has diligently asked
Auria magazine today to cancel those papers for

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falsehood. And apart from that,
there is another element and that is that

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at least another case has been proven
of an Italian citizen who died the Carthagen

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and that also, curiously the or
appears as where. There is evidence,

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that is, another will, the
apparent irregularity in obtaining a card with the

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same civil record as Mr Denuncio.
Yeah, right. If what changed the

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name it did to Nopez Marcos Tierra
and with this diez registration has its headquarters

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closes snow. I' ll have
to do yes, Mr Well, a

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great character, sir I resign.
Let' s try to keep him here.

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In the Colonel report he told them
that it is very certain that this

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story will continue to grow both in
Italy and Colombia. A thousand thanks to

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Dr Jaime Horta, notary eleven Barranquilla. And this was today' s colonel report.