Hija de magistrado asesinado en Palacio de Justicia rechaza reivindicación del M-19

WEBVTT

1
00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:08.000
The WU, Colonel Daniel Friday'
s report. Good morning, good morning,

2
00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599
Juan, how are you? This
is today' s Colonel report and

3
00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:16.199
this is a story that means a
lot to me, because it has to

4
00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:20.800
do with the most surprising and perhaps
also the most important journalistic work I'

5
00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:25.359
ve ever done in my life.
Seventeen years ago, at the head of

6
00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:30.600
a news journalistic team, one discovered
that an auxiliary magistrate of the Council of

7
00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:33.960
State whose body had been found in
the ruins of the Palace of Justice.

8
00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:40.520
He had actually left the building alive. The discovery of three videos that prove

9
00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:46.200
it happened twenty- two years after
Dr. Carlos Arro towards Durán, who

10
00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:52.119
left the Palace alive. He was
tortured, killed and his body returned to

11
00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:57.600
the still smoking ruins of the seat
of the judiciary. The family of Judge

12
00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:03.280
Durán left Colombia, from the continent. Her daughter, Elena, an orphan

13
00:01:03.319 --> 00:01:07.079
of her father and the country of
her childhood. He learned many languages,

14
00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:15.239
was able to study in prestigious universities
of the world and a while ago returned

15
00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.640
to Colombia and he also virtued his
sadness to write a book called My Life

16
00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:26.000
in the Palace. After many years
of exile, Elena, just over a

17
00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.400
year ago, began working at the
chancellery as a consultant for the new repetition.

18
00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.560
And a few days ago, during
the May 1 march, President Gustavo

19
00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:41.439
Petro decided to fly the flag of
the 19th eMe, the guerrilla that took

20
00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:46.480
over the Palace of Justice and say
auro quotation marks. No, gentlemen of

21
00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:51.480
the oligarchy, this flag is not
kept, it is not hidden. This

22
00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:56.879
flag is raised and will continue to
be raised up to there quotation marks.

23
00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.560
Two days later, Elena Urambia and
de Gain sent a letter to the Head

24
00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:07.520
of State telling him to open quotation
marks. You insist on bringing out a

25
00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:13.680
flag of an armed group on the
grounds that it is not prohibited. I

26
00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:21.280
ask you that for something you earn
your former companions or win the country something

27
00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:28.879
with that up there quotes. The
heartfelt letter goes on to say why it

28
00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:34.199
seems to cost you so much the
pain of those to whom the decisions of

29
00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.439
em did us no good. It
would not have been preferable to have a

30
00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:43.960
more inclusive encounter to talk about the
past than to raise the flag of the

31
00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:47.240
19th em on a platform, without
those to whom this symbol can remind us

32
00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:51.240
and rekindle the pain, we have
no chance of saying anything. You should

33
00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.280
understand it and better still recognize it. Like the head of state of all

34
00:02:54.280 --> 00:03:00.840
Colombians who are now Elena Uran,
he recognizes that his father' s death

35
00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:05.199
was executed by the military, but
by guerrillas in the seizure of the Palace

36
00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:09.879
of Justice and insists that the claim
of the flag of the guerrilla movement that

37
00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:16.960
originated the takeover attacks the victims of
his actions. She says quotes stripped of

38
00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:23.680
ideology or intention to do wrong to
anyone. I would also like to understand

39
00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:29.120
your point of view, because I
do not understand how raising a flag that

40
00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.840
generates controversy without the possibility of discussion
could strengthen memory. Nor does it help

41
00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:38.280
to strengthen their government projects and,
on the contrary, it does generate division,

42
00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:44.960
resistance and nurture a culture in which
the suffering of others is traditionally ignored.

43
00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:50.159
So much for the date. The
letter was sent to President Gustavo Petro

44
00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.439
a week ago and who signed it, Elena Urambie de Gain current adviser to

45
00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:59.560
the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, whom
we greeted this work, has received no

46
00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:04.439
response. Elena. Good morning,
why hello. Very good is this letter.

47
00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:10.159
Good morning and why you decided to
write this letter to President Gustavo Petro.

48
00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.800
Well to see me, since I
began to investigate more deeply what had

49
00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:20.040
happened in the Palace of Justice so
that I could give a little sense to

50
00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.959
all the nonsense that this story has
been, not just for me, for

51
00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:28.120
my family, but for the country. I realized that here there was a

52
00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:33.759
very strong cultural theme, which is
that culture in which we have lived of

53
00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:38.800
war, it is the one that
feeds negationism. And this negationism does not

54
00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:46.480
allow us to advance, let alone
speak or deepen democracy. So I and

55
00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:53.879
this we see, because everywhere on
the part of all the armed actors through

56
00:04:53.920 --> 00:05:00.480
terms like I don' t know
vaccine or miraculous fishing or the heroes of

57
00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:09.720
the homeland, etc, etc,
that are basically, well, ephemisms that

58
00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:14.279
hide torture, humiliation, kidnapping,
murder and all the symbolic, because it

59
00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:25.199
is very important for creation or transformation
towards a much more peaceful society. And

60
00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:30.759
I, when I saw the April
21 march. In fact, a banner

61
00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:39.920
that said saving democracy, which alludes
to those who do not know that said

62
00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:46.160
so. It is a famous phrase
of vegas squares, hiding in reality the

63
00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:51.759
massacre the assault on the Palace of
Justice and that was later taken out in

64
00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:58.279
that march as if making apology to
the horror. To me that seemed disturbing

65
00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:04.319
and days later I manifested it in
the same way in networks and days later

66
00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:11.560
the President drew the flag of the
19th eMe then, as if it were

67
00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:17.480
a competition to see who wins the
most, but always from one from an

68
00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:23.720
attitude of war and attack. And
I wanted to send that letter to the

69
00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.839
President because I think it' s
important to talk about all these symbols.

70
00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:32.480
It seems to me that it is
important that we begin to reflect on how

71
00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:43.480
we remember, what language we use
and how to strengthen or leave behind this

72
00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:48.279
war culture, these racist, classist, warlike symbols, and transform it into

73
00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:54.639
a culture and symbols that embrace peace. So, my letter is not if

74
00:06:54.759 --> 00:07:00.199
my claim is not to attack,
but rather to broaden the dialogue and generate

75
00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:11.360
a little sensitivity and empathy to what
I am raising here. But you are

76
00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:17.360
working today in the Chancellery of the
Government of President Gustavo Petro You are not

77
00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:29.319
afraid that this letter to the President
will leave you now without work, because

78
00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:35.519
I believe that this Government is based
and all democracy must be based on the

79
00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:39.839
foundation, that is, it must
be based on memory and human rights.

80
00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:46.879
It is a Government that proposes respect
and tolerance and also gives voice to the

81
00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:53.720
victims. Then I think there will
be understanding. However, of course there

82
00:07:53.800 --> 00:08:00.839
are projects within the Chancellery that I
must be clear, that I am having

83
00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.959
trouble developing them and that I hope
I can move forward with that. But

84
00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.480
beyond this, I believe that I
have to distinguish my principles and as I

85
00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:16.839
have pointed out, the responsibility that
the army has in what happened and this

86
00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:22.079
militaristic culture, because this is also
a call to the other side, regardless

87
00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.480
of whether I work in chancellery or
not, I am also responsible as a

88
00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:33.759
citizen for that is also about building
democracy. We all have a responsibility and

89
00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.080
I believe that the Government will also
understand this because, as I say,

90
00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.279
I am not attacking anyone. I
am raising a concern and I am making

91
00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:45.240
a call from my position, from
my experience and, in addition, from

92
00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.960
the work that I carry out of
non- repetition. Non- repetition is

93
00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:54.080
not just about those demobilized, armed, or because there is a transformation in

94
00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:58.039
justice, but also about the cultural
aspect, and that is one of the

95
00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:03.879
most important of all then, because, then, if people continue to use

96
00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.799
a war language from the head of
State, then everything else fades much easier.

97
00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:18.279
I also see and start from the
German example, which is where,

98
00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:28.919
as I have lived the longest in
need, the importance and how it was

99
00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:35.399
essential to transform mentality and culture in
order to build a much stronger society of

100
00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:41.159
democracy. I therefore believe that this
will help us to begin to give more

101
00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.399
importance to the symbolic, to the
language used, to everything cultural in a

102
00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:52.279
society that naturalizes to speak of others
as stigmatized, with absolutely degrading terms.

103
00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.879
And I think that, then,
that the flag exposed from the nineteenth ema

104
00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:09.039
over there on a platform, as
I said in the Charter, does not

105
00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:15.960
help us, does not build us. And, well, that' s

106
00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:20.600
why I was, because Elena and
I understand her words from duty to be.

107
00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.879
But the truth, in practice,
this government has shown very little tolerance

108
00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:31.679
for dissent. He took out several
ministers because they disagreed with some points of

109
00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.679
the health reform, he has taken
other people past him, because they have

110
00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:41.639
differences with the head of state'
s views, such as why they would

111
00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.799
not take her out to you after
sending a letter to the president saying that

112
00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:46.960
they should not tree the flag of
the guerrilla to which he was a part.

113
00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:56.600
Well, that, because I can' t foresee the future. Let

114
00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:03.519
' s see what happens. But
I think I' m hoping that,

115
00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.080
above the eMe flag, if nine, we can wave the flag of Colombia,

116
00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.360
which includes us all and not just
one group, and that, the

117
00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:16.399
same, we can also start working
with the security forces regarding the symbols that

118
00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.240
seem so normal to us and also
start reviewing each of the terms that are

119
00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:30.519
used and rejecting them. And that' s happening very slowly, but it

120
00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.879
has to keep happening to me.
I can' t say. I hope

121
00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:39.120
that there will be openness and that
we will be able to move forward in

122
00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:45.559
a much more inclusive and constructive dialogue. I, moreover, have realized in

123
00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:52.000
me that justice has not given us
an answer in the search to clarify the

124
00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:58.000
facts of my dad specifically and when
I returned to Colombia, I realized that

125
00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:05.600
I had to point also to the
symbolic. And that' s why I,

126
00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.600
at some point, talked to the
Chief Justice to put on a plaque

127
00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:15.840
with the name of all the people
who had died inside that facility, and

128
00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:22.320
not just the incumbent magistrates. Now
a plaque will be changed also in the

129
00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.919
town hall that only gives responsibility for
the events to nineteen and not to the

130
00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:33.039
security forces. I made a request
to the GEP that the Casa del Florero,

131
00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:39.279
the Canto Norte and the Cementerio Sur
be later places of memory, that

132
00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.600
precautionary measures grow, but with the
aim that they are places of memory and

133
00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:48.120
that, from all this symbolic,
we can deepen, as I have said

134
00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:52.440
over and over again, in democracy
and we can remember the facts, but

135
00:12:52.559 --> 00:13:00.559
in a way that does not harm
the other. And that' s what

136
00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:05.360
I see when a flag is displayed
that, of course, has also generated

137
00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:11.519
pain and suffering for many people.
As you said I, who executed my

138
00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.200
dad was the law enforcement, but
the 19th em, because it was not

139
00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.600
that he would have helped us in
that task either. They came in,

140
00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:26.200
they came in and violently arrested the
magistrates and, well, all the outcome

141
00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:31.600
we know, we know halfway,
because that' s the problem. So,

142
00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:41.039
I think that from this position,
I can also try to get the

143
00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:48.000
President to listen to me And hopefully, because I have just made progress as

144
00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:54.639
a recount of some of the acts
that or actions that I have been implementing

145
00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:00.440
in Colombia, which point to the
symbolic, which point to the collective this,

146
00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.559
these together are usually treated as only
between the victim and the responsible,

147
00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:13.159
and I believe that with these symbolic
actions I can cover more the rest of

148
00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:18.840
society. That is also my intention
and to expand, because I say the

149
00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:26.720
dialogue again, because a thousand thanks
to reason, we will see how open

150
00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:30.840
they really are to dialogue. I
hope it does. It is my intention

151
00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:35.000
and part of my work in non- repetition and I am simply congruent with

152
00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.120
what I considered to be, therefore, the duty to be within a democracy.

153
00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:46.720
Thank you very much. She is
already elena urambie de Gain adviser to

154
00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:52.120
the Ministry of Foreign Affairs at this
time, but above all daughter of Judge

155
00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:58.279
Carlos Horacio Urán, killed in the
Palace of Justice, violently taken by the

156
00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:03.279
guerrillas of the 19th eMe in a
thousand nine hundred eighty- five and then

157
00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:09.720
subjected to a savage attack against the
military that left a hundred dead and several

158
00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:11.879
people who continue to disappear. This
was today' s colonel report. Thank

159
00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:13.799
you very much.