Hija de magistrado asesinado en Palacio de Justicia rechaza reivindicación del M-19

0:01 The WU, Colonel Daniel Friday' s report. Good morning, good morning, Juan, how are you? This is today' s Colonel report and this is a story that means a lot to me, because it has to do with the most surprising and perhaps also the most important journalistic work I' ve ever done in my life. Seventeen years ago, at the head of a news journalistic team, one discovered that an auxiliary magistrate of the Council of State whose body had been found in the ruins of the Palace of Justice. He had actually left the building alive. The discovery of three videos that prove it happened twenty- two years after Dr. Carlos Arro towards Durán, who left the Palace alive. He was tortured, killed and his body returned to the still smoking ruins of the seat of the judiciary. The family of Judge Durán left Colombia, from the continent. Her daughter, Elena, an orphan of her father and the country of her childhood. He learned many languages, was able to study in prestigious universities of the world and a while ago returned to Colombia and he also virtued his sadness to write a book called My Life in the Palace. After many years of exile, Elena, just over a year ago, began working at the chancellery as a consultant for the new repetition.

1:32 And a few days ago, during the May 1 march, President Gustavo Petro decided to fly the flag of the 19th eMe, the guerrilla that took over the Palace of Justice and say auro quotation marks. No, gentlemen of the oligarchy, this flag is not kept, it is not hidden. This flag is raised and will continue to be raised up to there quotation marks. Two days later, Elena Urambia and de Gain sent a letter to the Head of State telling him to open quotation marks. You insist on bringing out a flag of an armed group on the grounds that it is not prohibited. I ask you that for something you earn your former companions or win the country something with that up there quotes. The heartfelt letter goes on to say why it seems to cost you so much the pain of those to whom the decisions of em did us no good. It would not have been preferable to have a more inclusive encounter to talk about the past than to raise the flag of the 19th em on a platform, without those to whom this symbol can remind us and rekindle the pain, we have no chance of saying anything. You should understand it and better still recognize it. Like the head of state of all Colombians who are now Elena Uran, he recognizes that his father' s death was executed by the military, but by guerrillas in the seizure of the Palace

3:05 of Justice and insists that the claim of the flag of the guerrilla movement that originated the takeover attacks the victims of his actions. She says quotes stripped of ideology or intention to do wrong to anyone. I would also like to understand your point of view, because I do not understand how raising a flag that generates controversy without the possibility of discussion could strengthen memory. Nor does it help to strengthen their government projects and, on the contrary, it does generate division, resistance and nurture a culture in which the suffering of others is traditionally ignored.

3:45 So much for the date. The letter was sent to President Gustavo Petro a week ago and who signed it, Elena Urambie de Gain current adviser to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, whom we greeted this work, has received no response. Elena. Good morning, why hello. Very good is this letter. Good morning and why you decided to write this letter to President Gustavo Petro. Well to see me, since I began to investigate more deeply what had happened in the Palace of Justice so that I could give a little sense to all the nonsense that this story has been, not just for me, for my family, but for the country. I realized that here there was a very strong cultural theme, which is that culture in which we have lived of war, it is the one that feeds negationism. And this negationism does not allow us to advance, let alone speak or deepen democracy. So I and this we see, because everywhere on the part of all the armed actors through terms like I don' t know vaccine or miraculous fishing or the heroes of the homeland, etc, etc, that are basically, well, ephemisms that hide torture, humiliation, kidnapping, murder and all the symbolic, because it is very important for creation or transformation towards a much more peaceful society. And

5:25 I, when I saw the April 21 march. In fact, a banner that said saving democracy, which alludes to those who do not know that said so. It is a famous phrase of vegas squares, hiding in reality the massacre the assault on the Palace of Justice and that was later taken out in that march as if making apology to the horror. To me that seemed disturbing and days later I manifested it in the same way in networks and days later the President drew the flag of the 19th eMe then, as if it were a competition to see who wins the most, but always from one from an attitude of war and attack. And I wanted to send that letter to the President because I think it' s important to talk about all these symbols.

6:27 It seems to me that it is important that we begin to reflect on how we remember, what language we use and how to strengthen or leave behind this war culture, these racist, classist, warlike symbols, and transform it into a culture and symbols that embrace peace. So, my letter is not if my claim is not to attack, but rather to broaden the dialogue and generate a little sensitivity and empathy to what I am raising here. But you are working today in the Chancellery of the Government of President Gustavo Petro You are not afraid that this letter to the President will leave you now without work, because I believe that this Government is based and all democracy must be based on the foundation, that is, it must be based on memory and human rights.

7:40 It is a Government that proposes respect and tolerance and also gives voice to the victims. Then I think there will be understanding. However, of course there are projects within the Chancellery that I must be clear, that I am having trouble developing them and that I hope I can move forward with that. But beyond this, I believe that I have to distinguish my principles and as I have pointed out, the responsibility that the army has in what happened and this militaristic culture, because this is also a call to the other side, regardless of whether I work in chancellery or not, I am also responsible as a citizen for that is also about building democracy. We all have a responsibility and I believe that the Government will also understand this because, as I say, I am not attacking anyone. I am raising a concern and I am making a call from my position, from my experience and, in addition, from the work that I carry out of non- repetition. Non- repetition is not just about those demobilized, armed, or because there is a transformation in justice, but also about the cultural aspect, and that is one of the most important of all then, because, then, if people continue to use a war language from the head of State, then everything else fades much easier.

9:13 I also see and start from the German example, which is where, as I have lived the longest in need, the importance and how it was essential to transform mentality and culture in order to build a much stronger society of democracy. I therefore believe that this will help us to begin to give more importance to the symbolic, to the language used, to everything cultural in a society that naturalizes to speak of others as stigmatized, with absolutely degrading terms.

10:00 And I think that, then, that the flag exposed from the nineteenth ema over there on a platform, as I said in the Charter, does not help us, does not build us. And, well, that' s why I was, because Elena and I understand her words from duty to be. But the truth, in practice, this government has shown very little tolerance for dissent. He took out several ministers because they disagreed with some points of the health reform, he has taken other people past him, because they have differences with the head of state' s views, such as why they would not take her out to you after sending a letter to the president saying that they should not tree the flag of the guerrilla to which he was a part.

10:50 Well, that, because I can' t foresee the future. Let ' s see what happens. But I think I' m hoping that, above the eMe flag, if nine, we can wave the flag of Colombia, which includes us all and not just one group, and that, the same, we can also start working with the security forces regarding the symbols that seem so normal to us and also start reviewing each of the terms that are used and rejecting them. And that' s happening very slowly, but it has to keep happening to me. I can' t say. I hope that there will be openness and that we will be able to move forward in a much more inclusive and constructive dialogue. I, moreover, have realized in me that justice has not given us an answer in the search to clarify the facts of my dad specifically and when I returned to Colombia, I realized that I had to point also to the symbolic. And that' s why I, at some point, talked to the Chief Justice to put on a plaque with the name of all the people who had died inside that facility, and not just the incumbent magistrates. Now a plaque will be changed also in the

12:22 town hall that only gives responsibility for the events to nineteen and not to the security forces. I made a request to the GEP that the Casa del Florero, the Canto Norte and the Cementerio Sur be later places of memory, that precautionary measures grow, but with the aim that they are places of memory and that, from all this symbolic, we can deepen, as I have said over and over again, in democracy and we can remember the facts, but in a way that does not harm the other. And that' s what I see when a flag is displayed that, of course, has also generated pain and suffering for many people. As you said I, who executed my dad was the law enforcement, but the 19th em, because it was not that he would have helped us in that task either. They came in, they came in and violently arrested the magistrates and, well, all the outcome we know, we know halfway, because that' s the problem. So, I think that from this position, I can also try to get the President to listen to me And hopefully, because I have just made progress as a recount of some of the acts that or actions that I have been implementing

13:54 in Colombia, which point to the symbolic, which point to the collective this, these together are usually treated as only between the victim and the responsible, and I believe that with these symbolic actions I can cover more the rest of society. That is also my intention and to expand, because I say the dialogue again, because a thousand thanks to reason, we will see how open they really are to dialogue. I hope it does. It is my intention and part of my work in non- repetition and I am simply congruent with what I considered to be, therefore, the duty to be within a democracy.

14:41 Thank you very much. She is already elena urambie de Gain adviser to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs at this time, but above all daughter of Judge Carlos Horacio Urán, killed in the Palace of Justice, violently taken by the guerrillas of the 19th eMe in a thousand nine hundred eighty- five and then subjected to a savage attack against the military that left a hundred dead and several people who continue to disappear. This was today' s colonel report. Thank you very much.