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At the WU, Colonel' s
report, we' re leaving for the

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National. Daniel, welcome. Good
morning, July. This is today'

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s Colonel report, but first a
student and international news story. A few

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minutes ago, Alan Gerberg, President
of Harvard University, announced that today the

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protest camp of its own destiny that
occupied the University' s iard many weeks

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ago will peacefully rise. Harvard authorities
didn' t break into the force.

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The police did not arrive, as
happened in Neusley, Columbia, us and

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UC, among others. His formula
was simple to hear from people. Finally,

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for a month and a week,
the Uriel Gutiérrez building of the National

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University is taken by a group of
studies before they broke into the building on

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April 8. In the building,
students protest what they consider the irregular election

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of Ismael Peña as rector of the
National University of Colombia and not Leopoldo Múnera,

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who had been chosen in university consultations. Dr Peña' s election as

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rector took place under conditions that many
members of the university community consider irregular,

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because some members of the Higher Council
met outside the normal instances to agree on

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his appointment. In addition, they
changed the traditional method of public and direct

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election to a system called the Embroidered
Count, which allows for an elimination in

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the eyes of many rigged and took
out of the race the candidate chosen by

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the students to give way to that
of some powerful members of the Council in

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the afternoon on Monday, April 8, a group that included several hooded people

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took over the building Uriel Gutiérrez,
where the rectory of the National University and

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some administrative units functions. Uriel Gutierrez' s name recalls a medical student from

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the National University who was killed by
members of the police during Gustavo Rojas Pinilla

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' s dictatorship. The protest over
the murder of Uriel Gutierrez ended in the

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shooting of eleven students in central Bogotá
by military personnel from the Colombian Battalion.

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In what has happened history, like
the massacre of a thousand nine hundred and

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fifty- four. So it is
clear the symbolic charge that Uriel Gutiérrez has

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for the community of the National University. The take of a long month ago,

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was abrupt and violent a university worker. Watchman Henry Valcazar was inside the

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building for three days without his relief
being allowed. Mr Malcazar said here in

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the double or that he was mistreated
and that he felt his physical integrity in

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danger, because the hooded men told
him that he would burn in the control

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center where he was. In addition, he said that many of the people

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involved in the takeover do not seem
to be students of the national university.

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That' s right. He called
to listen to them and to settle the

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matter peacefully. The questioned rector Peña, who also positioned himself before a notary

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in what many consider a new irregularity, asked that the public forces evict the

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students. The Government has said that
it will not use force to remove them.

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From there. Well, two of
those students, authorized by their compañeros

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ana, have agreed to speak to
the Colonel report today. They will do

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so by giving their names and faces
to explain the reasons that, according to

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them, led them to proceed in
this way. At this time we greet

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Mateo Vargas, a student of psychology, and Tomás Romero, a student of

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phonoaudiology. Good morning, Mateo.
Evidently, there is a great controversy over

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the election and possession of the questioned
Peña rectoriisma. Even the Minister of Education,

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Aurora Vergara, who chairs the Higher
University Council, questions the choice of

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the peña doctor, being thus what
need to take to the bravah the administrative

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headquarters of the University well, is
already Daniel, and because good morning to

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all the people who are listening until
now, because really the need exists to

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the extent to which the people who
made, since the rigged method are part

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of the administration and precisely the building
that we take at this moment is the

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administrative building of the National University.
This is a mechanism of pressure precisely so

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that the people who are directly involved
and who are leaders of the University respond.

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We believe that this is also a
form. In other words, we

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believe that the Minister has somehow been
listening to the call of university communion,

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because this is a call not only
for students, but also for women workers,

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teachers. And so, let us
just say that we support and support

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not only the Community, but also
the legality and legitimacy of the process which

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the Minister is trying to carry out, because these actions have been carried out.

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The take is exercised from the autonomy
of the students to just begin to

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put pressure and for the process to
be given because otherwise, because we are

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almost sure that we would not be
heard in any way. Now we talk

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to Tomás Romero. Protest, of
course, is a constitutional right guaranteed to

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all citizens. But why wear hoods, why hide the identity of those who

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protest? Tomás, here the discussion, beyond wearing hoods or should not revolve

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around the legitimacy of the action.
Yeah, I think this space Jujuel Gutierrez

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is as legitimate as any other protest
space. Yes, and I also think

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that we need to give it a
new approach here. Luriel Gutierrez' s

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space is not a shot. It' s a retake, because we'

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re taking back a building that was
the student at the time and that was,

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as the comrades at the time said, a fundamental heretic of university well

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- being. Yes, then,
this space is legitimate because it is making

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a legitimate claim. Yeah, he' s doing a legitimate rhktomo. He

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' s screaming. There was you
that Professor Peña is not the rector of

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the National University. This space is
shouting constituent already at the National University.

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Yeah, why. Because for a
long time we have seen that the same

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political aspect has the power, the
concise power within the National University, in

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the head of ol and Montoya,
of the one in the head of Mantilla

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and now, in the head of
the one who wants to carry this political

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current and continue to carry it with
his arbitrary reforms behind the back of the

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university community, which would be Professor
Ismael Peña. So I think that is

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the discussion that has fifth to talk
with Colombian atrocity, yes, the legitimacy

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of the acts to give a little
context to people who are not linked to

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the university community of La Nacional.
The Uriel Gutiérrez building will be until a

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few decades ago of the male and
female university residences of the National University.

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It was taken for a year and
a half, I believe in the eighties

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and was forcibly taken back by the
police and the university residences did not work

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again. Well mateo I want to
ask you if all the people who are

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inside the RIR building of Gutiérrez are
really students of the National University, because

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at this moment the very great majority
of the people who are present here are

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actually students of the National University.
There are people who also come into space,

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because this is an open space,
because it is just also a space

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for discussion and collective construction, because
education, which is the main objective,

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also of that is that this is
a complex discussion, because it seems that

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everything is for rectory, but it
is much deeper than this. Here we

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are talking about university autonomy, the
autonomy of the university community to determine the

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decisions and the future of the national
university in Colombia, which is also a

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decisive struggle to establish the future of
the country' s education. So,

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here' s not, like I
feel that sometimes it also comes down a

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lot to the phenomenon that triggered everything. So, based on that, Luriel

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has become a center of discussion,
debate and collective construction with people who are

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interested in the education of the country, about university autonomy. In this context,

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then, people are welcome to start
building a new notion of community,

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autonomy and the nation' s education
project. But then, the people who

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are, usually here we are here, are students who, therefore, exercise,

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for the work already of a camp
that are like for example, I

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do not know to go to buy
market, to make us food, here

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we give food to the people who
also want, that is, here we

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give breakfast, lunch and be to
the people who stay and to the people

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who come. So it' s
kind of like, well, and the

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framework of the people we meet here, that is, if there are some

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people who aren' t students among
you anymore among the students who are protesting

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there about the reforms to a so- called zero- forty- four agreement.

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What is being reformed and which has
dissatisfied an important part of the students

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of the national one. Yeah,
this is zero forty- four reform.

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Zero forty- four do not agree
only with the reforms, but with the

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method of building the reform, because
historically, within the National University the reforms

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have been built behind the backs of
the university community. This zero forty-

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four tells us about the well-
being and the use of the campus,

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where we are told that we could
the campus, appropriated, appropriated our campus,

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but in turn, through reform,
good is to prevent us from getting

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rid of our field, prevents us
the transit leader, prevents us from leisure

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and within the campus. And that
is also important because it is that the

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academy also to achieve an integral development, because leisure is also fine fundamental for

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the development of the human being.
Yeah, so, here, beyond zero

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forty- four, there are several. There are several. There are several.

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There' s a graduate reform.
There is an extension reform, where

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the extension of the university no longer
seeks. They no longer want me to

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seek extension, they do not want
me to seek as the good of the

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Community, or of society, but
to seek to make the research and extension

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of the national university commodified. Why. Because there is a band generating resources

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who knows for whom, and I
think low like everyone else that there is

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a rapprochement there by the comrades of
Rayas magazine, where he realizes one that

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is eager to seek the cyphan to
seek resources from within the National University.

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It does not respond to the constant
improvement of the National University in infrastructure,

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but responds to accumulation. The accumulation
of being a resource within the National University.

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So I believe that this question is
not yes or no, I remember,

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but how it is so to the
extent that we, as students,

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are included in the construction of those
reforms that they want to introduce, because

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to that extent they will also have
our support. So because here too the

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problem is democracy participation. So we
are not participating among the specific decisions that

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are made at the University, being
us the fundamental thing for the functioning of

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the national university. As a student, I kill what you are asking yourself,

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specifically to raise the protest. Well, Daniel, I' d like

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to compliment a little thing about what
my partner said. Yes, there is

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also a very worrying sheath regarding the
reform of the zero forty- four,

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and it is the criminalization of the
student protest. There are articles and there

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are very specific pieces where, for
example, students could not basically use the

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voice in class spaces or things like
that, just to avoid even more the

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participation of students within the university'
s decisions. It' s like I

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don' t know? It is
as if within the laws they begin to

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say that now people can only march
on the platform. Yeah, so that

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' s also pretty worrying, that' s on the zero forty- four

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side. As far as extension is
concerned, it is also what my colleague

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said, which is commodification, and
let us say as well to put aside

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the solidarity extension, which is one
of the missionary purposes of the national university,

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only in order to be able to
enhance that, as we say,

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the enrichment or accumulation of roughness and
capital, for many times in the interests

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or pockets of certain faculties and certain
people. As for what your worship can

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repeat to me the question that yes, sir, I asked you, what

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are the concrete conditions that you are
asking for to lift the protest, because

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from the beginning the Triestamentary Assembly of
the University established three minimums. One that

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Ismael Peña is not the rector at
the moment, because we do not recognize

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him as a reactor. Their self- appointment means nothing to the university community.

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We are equally seeing how you can
deal with that setback and the other

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two issues. It is one of
the establishment of a binding act that establishes

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the construction of the university constituent,
precisely in order to begin to reform the

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statutes and to begin to re-
establish or establish a real, broad and

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binding form of participation of the three
campuses of the University, which are the

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lecturer, the student and the workers
who have historically been how to get out

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of the decisions of the University and
we believe that it is precisely time for

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them to become part of those decisions
as well. And finally, it would

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be the repeal of the reforms already
tested, which are of postgraduate and extension,

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and the reformulation of the reform that
has not yet been approved, which

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is that of zero forty- four. These are the three minimums that the

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Triestament Assembly of the National University decided
upon in agreement with the professor of the

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National University, the constitutionalist of Rodrigo
Primni there are reasons in law to request

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the nullity of the election of the
professori isma del Peña as rector. If

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that nullity is declared, you would
evict the Uriel Gutierrez building. No.

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I think that' s the way
to go, there' s no eviction,

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because it' s not fighting for
who the rector is here. Only

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yes, because this pressure mechanism goes
beyond whether or not it remains Munora.

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The discussion here is that there is
more lack of autonomy and democracy. That

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is the discussion, and on the
day that we have autonomy and democracy as

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this very majority in your national diversity, because that day we could be talking

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about raising, since Uriel Gutiérrez'
s return. But it is good that

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waiting for full autonomy and democracy can
take years. You are willing to stay

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years inside the building Uriel Gutierrez,
because beyond staying years, I believe that,

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because your mercy if you give that
very distant discussion, if you go

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in a very distant event where it
has not been seen for being far away,

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because, because we, as a
student, our autonomy, have been

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discussing it, yes, and our
participation also because of that is that we

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see therefore very necessary the construction of
a constituent that jalone. Yes, may

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that necessity be filled with autonomy and
democracy and make it real by mere university

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constituent of us. We might from
others come to redefine the method of choosing

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rectors. There we would have one
more point of autonomy. We could come

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to discuss around these books, of
these book stalls Lombrani in your removal that

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today have become the thread of the
one that comes to returns, that also

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there we would go to choose the
deans, we would go to choose important

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positions like the direction of well-
being, we would win in democracy.

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So, I think it is not
that far away, because the discussions surrounding

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the national meeting of students of the
general diversity and around Ibel Gutierrez, who

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goes there I live very grunt and
dra so, we here are not wasting

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time. Here we are building community, discussing what we need to discuss in

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order to advance the end of the
construction of democracy and self- science.

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Well, thank you very much.
Two students from the National University participating in

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the taking of the rectory building today
gave their face to explain the reasons for

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the protest. The election and possession
of the Peña rectorism have become legally unsustainable.

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It is necessary for the Higher University
Council to meet again and listen not

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only to the students who took the
Uriel Gutiérrez building, but to all the

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other members of the Community, the
thousands of students from Colombia' s main

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educational center, their teachers and their
workers. This was today' s Colonel

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report. Thank you very much.