Hablan los estudiantes que tienen tomada la Universidad Nacional

0:00 At the WU, Colonel' s report, we' re leaving for the National. Daniel, welcome. Good morning, July. This is today' s Colonel report, but first a student and international news story. A few minutes ago, Alan Gerberg, President of Harvard University, announced that today the protest camp of its own destiny that occupied the University' s iard many weeks ago will peacefully rise. Harvard authorities didn' t break into the force. The police did not arrive, as happened in Neusley, Columbia, us and UC, among others. His formula was simple to hear from people. Finally, for a month and a week, the Uriel Gutiérrez building of the National University is taken by a group of studies before they broke into the building on April 8. In the building, students protest what they consider the irregular election of Ismael Peña as rector of the National University of Colombia and not Leopoldo Múnera, who had been chosen in university consultations. Dr Peña' s election as rector took place under conditions that many members of the university community consider irregular, because some members of the Higher Council met outside the normal instances to agree on

1:34 his appointment. In addition, they changed the traditional method of public and direct election to a system called the Embroidered Count, which allows for an elimination in the eyes of many rigged and took out of the race the candidate chosen by the students to give way to that of some powerful members of the Council in the afternoon on Monday, April 8, a group that included several hooded people took over the building Uriel Gutiérrez, where the rectory of the National University and some administrative units functions. Uriel Gutierrez' s name recalls a medical student from the National University who was killed by members of the police during Gustavo Rojas Pinilla ' s dictatorship. The protest over the murder of Uriel Gutierrez ended in the shooting of eleven students in central Bogotá by military personnel from the Colombian Battalion.

2:32 In what has happened history, like the massacre of a thousand nine hundred and fifty- four. So it is clear the symbolic charge that Uriel Gutiérrez has for the community of the National University. The take of a long month ago, was abrupt and violent a university worker. Watchman Henry Valcazar was inside the building for three days without his relief being allowed. Mr Malcazar said here in the double or that he was mistreated and that he felt his physical integrity in danger, because the hooded men told him that he would burn in the control center where he was. In addition, he said that many of the people involved in the takeover do not seem to be students of the national university.

3:15 That' s right. He called to listen to them and to settle the matter peacefully. The questioned rector Peña, who also positioned himself before a notary in what many consider a new irregularity, asked that the public forces evict the students. The Government has said that it will not use force to remove them. From there. Well, two of those students, authorized by their compañeros ana, have agreed to speak to the Colonel report today. They will do so by giving their names and faces to explain the reasons that, according to them, led them to proceed in this way. At this time we greet Mateo Vargas, a student of psychology, and Tomás Romero, a student of phonoaudiology. Good morning, Mateo. Evidently, there is a great controversy over the election and possession of the questioned Peña rectoriisma. Even the Minister of Education, Aurora Vergara, who chairs the Higher University Council, questions the choice of the peña doctor, being thus what need to take to the bravah the administrative headquarters of the University well, is already Daniel, and because good morning to all the people who are listening until now, because really the need exists to the extent to which the people who made, since the rigged method are part of the administration and precisely the building that we take at this moment is the administrative building of the National University. This is a mechanism of pressure precisely so

4:46 that the people who are directly involved and who are leaders of the University respond. We believe that this is also a form. In other words, we believe that the Minister has somehow been listening to the call of university communion, because this is a call not only for students, but also for women workers, teachers. And so, let us just say that we support and support not only the Community, but also the legality and legitimacy of the process which the Minister is trying to carry out, because these actions have been carried out. The take is exercised from the autonomy of the students to just begin to put pressure and for the process to be given because otherwise, because we are almost sure that we would not be heard in any way. Now we talk to Tomás Romero. Protest, of course, is a constitutional right guaranteed to all citizens. But why wear hoods, why hide the identity of those who protest? Tomás, here the discussion, beyond wearing hoods or should not revolve around the legitimacy of the action. Yeah, I think this space Jujuel Gutierrez is as legitimate as any other protest space. Yes, and I also think that we need to give it a new approach here. Luriel Gutierrez' s space is not a shot. It' s a retake, because we'

6:19 re taking back a building that was the student at the time and that was, as the comrades at the time said, a fundamental heretic of university well - being. Yes, then, this space is legitimate because it is making a legitimate claim. Yeah, he' s doing a legitimate rhktomo. He ' s screaming. There was you that Professor Peña is not the rector of the National University. This space is shouting constituent already at the National University. Yeah, why. Because for a long time we have seen that the same political aspect has the power, the concise power within the National University, in the head of ol and Montoya, of the one in the head of Mantilla and now, in the head of the one who wants to carry this political current and continue to carry it with his arbitrary reforms behind the back of the university community, which would be Professor Ismael Peña. So I think that is the discussion that has fifth to talk with Colombian atrocity, yes, the legitimacy of the acts to give a little context to people who are not linked to the university community of La Nacional. The Uriel Gutiérrez building will be until a few decades ago of the male and female university residences of the National University.

7:39 It was taken for a year and a half, I believe in the eighties and was forcibly taken back by the police and the university residences did not work again. Well mateo I want to ask you if all the people who are inside the RIR building of Gutiérrez are really students of the National University, because at this moment the very great majority of the people who are present here are actually students of the National University. There are people who also come into space, because this is an open space, because it is just also a space for discussion and collective construction, because education, which is the main objective, also of that is that this is a complex discussion, because it seems that everything is for rectory, but it is much deeper than this. Here we are talking about university autonomy, the autonomy of the university community to determine the decisions and the future of the national university in Colombia, which is also a decisive struggle to establish the future of the country' s education. So, here' s not, like I feel that sometimes it also comes down a lot to the phenomenon that triggered everything. So, based on that, Luriel has become a center of discussion, debate and collective construction with people who are interested in the education of the country, about university autonomy. In this context, then, people are welcome to start building a new notion of community,

9:15 autonomy and the nation' s education project. But then, the people who are, usually here we are here, are students who, therefore, exercise, for the work already of a camp that are like for example, I do not know to go to buy market, to make us food, here we give food to the people who also want, that is, here we give breakfast, lunch and be to the people who stay and to the people who come. So it' s kind of like, well, and the framework of the people we meet here, that is, if there are some people who aren' t students among you anymore among the students who are protesting there about the reforms to a so- called zero- forty- four agreement.

10:01 What is being reformed and which has dissatisfied an important part of the students of the national one. Yeah, this is zero forty- four reform. Zero forty- four do not agree only with the reforms, but with the method of building the reform, because historically, within the National University the reforms have been built behind the backs of the university community. This zero forty- four tells us about the well- being and the use of the campus, where we are told that we could the campus, appropriated, appropriated our campus, but in turn, through reform, good is to prevent us from getting rid of our field, prevents us the transit leader, prevents us from leisure and within the campus. And that is also important because it is that the academy also to achieve an integral development, because leisure is also fine fundamental for the development of the human being. Yeah, so, here, beyond zero forty- four, there are several. There are several. There are several.

11:09 There' s a graduate reform. There is an extension reform, where the extension of the university no longer seeks. They no longer want me to seek extension, they do not want me to seek as the good of the Community, or of society, but to seek to make the research and extension of the national university commodified. Why. Because there is a band generating resources who knows for whom, and I think low like everyone else that there is a rapprochement there by the comrades of Rayas magazine, where he realizes one that is eager to seek the cyphan to seek resources from within the National University.

11:50 It does not respond to the constant improvement of the National University in infrastructure, but responds to accumulation. The accumulation of being a resource within the National University. So I believe that this question is not yes or no, I remember, but how it is so to the extent that we, as students, are included in the construction of those reforms that they want to introduce, because to that extent they will also have our support. So because here too the problem is democracy participation. So we are not participating among the specific decisions that are made at the University, being us the fundamental thing for the functioning of the national university. As a student, I kill what you are asking yourself, specifically to raise the protest. Well, Daniel, I' d like to compliment a little thing about what my partner said. Yes, there is also a very worrying sheath regarding the reform of the zero forty- four, and it is the criminalization of the student protest. There are articles and there are very specific pieces where, for example, students could not basically use the voice in class spaces or things like that, just to avoid even more the participation of students within the university' s decisions. It' s like I

13:20 don' t know? It is as if within the laws they begin to say that now people can only march on the platform. Yeah, so that ' s also pretty worrying, that' s on the zero forty- four side. As far as extension is concerned, it is also what my colleague said, which is commodification, and let us say as well to put aside the solidarity extension, which is one of the missionary purposes of the national university, only in order to be able to enhance that, as we say, the enrichment or accumulation of roughness and capital, for many times in the interests or pockets of certain faculties and certain people. As for what your worship can repeat to me the question that yes, sir, I asked you, what are the concrete conditions that you are asking for to lift the protest, because from the beginning the Triestamentary Assembly of the University established three minimums. One that Ismael Peña is not the rector at the moment, because we do not recognize him as a reactor. Their self- appointment means nothing to the university community.

14:28 We are equally seeing how you can deal with that setback and the other two issues. It is one of the establishment of a binding act that establishes the construction of the university constituent, precisely in order to begin to reform the statutes and to begin to re- establish or establish a real, broad and binding form of participation of the three campuses of the University, which are the lecturer, the student and the workers who have historically been how to get out of the decisions of the University and we believe that it is precisely time for them to become part of those decisions as well. And finally, it would be the repeal of the reforms already tested, which are of postgraduate and extension, and the reformulation of the reform that has not yet been approved, which is that of zero forty- four. These are the three minimums that the Triestament Assembly of the National University decided upon in agreement with the professor of the National University, the constitutionalist of Rodrigo Primni there are reasons in law to request the nullity of the election of the professori isma del Peña as rector. If that nullity is declared, you would evict the Uriel Gutierrez building. No.

15:48 I think that' s the way to go, there' s no eviction, because it' s not fighting for who the rector is here. Only yes, because this pressure mechanism goes beyond whether or not it remains Munora. The discussion here is that there is more lack of autonomy and democracy. That is the discussion, and on the day that we have autonomy and democracy as this very majority in your national diversity, because that day we could be talking about raising, since Uriel Gutiérrez' s return. But it is good that waiting for full autonomy and democracy can take years. You are willing to stay years inside the building Uriel Gutierrez, because beyond staying years, I believe that, because your mercy if you give that very distant discussion, if you go in a very distant event where it has not been seen for being far away, because, because we, as a student, our autonomy, have been discussing it, yes, and our participation also because of that is that we see therefore very necessary the construction of a constituent that jalone. Yes, may that necessity be filled with autonomy and democracy and make it real by mere university constituent of us. We might from others come to redefine the method of choosing rectors. There we would have one more point of autonomy. We could come

17:22 to discuss around these books, of these book stalls Lombrani in your removal that today have become the thread of the one that comes to returns, that also there we would go to choose the deans, we would go to choose important positions like the direction of well- being, we would win in democracy. So, I think it is not that far away, because the discussions surrounding the national meeting of students of the general diversity and around Ibel Gutierrez, who goes there I live very grunt and dra so, we here are not wasting time. Here we are building community, discussing what we need to discuss in order to advance the end of the construction of democracy and self- science.

18:03 Well, thank you very much. Two students from the National University participating in the taking of the rectory building today gave their face to explain the reasons for the protest. The election and possession of the Peña rectorism have become legally unsustainable. It is necessary for the Higher University Council to meet again and listen not only to the students who took the Uriel Gutiérrez building, but to all the other members of the Community, the thousands of students from Colombia' s main educational center, their teachers and their workers. This was today' s Colonel report. Thank you very much.