Habla José Antonio Salazar, el hombre que otorgó la licitación de pasaportes

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In the WU the Report Colonel Daniel, Monday report with passports and, above

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all, with the new revelation that
was known thanks to Jorge Lesmes, of

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the relationship of the scandal with the
National Intelligence Directorate. Welcome, Daniel.

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That' s Julio, good morning. This is today' s Colonel report.

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President Gustavo Petro has called him a
traitor. Social networks are full of

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unsubstantiated messages that assume as certain that
he made his multimillion dollar decision as a

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product of a José Antonio Salazar sobor, until a few days ago, Secretary

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General of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
and, in practice, of the official

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closest to the suspended Chancellor, to
Varoleib Durán, was who, in a

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lightning operation, revoked decisions of his
boss and friend for thirty years to grant

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the tender of passports to the temporary
union of that made for Thomas Grecansons,

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the company of the Baptist brothers,
who has been making that document in Colombia

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for eighteen years. Salazar did so
with three morning resolutions, based on the

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fact that the foreign minister in charge, Luis Gilberto Murillo, returned to him

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the direction of the revolving fund of
the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which is

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the undersigned entity of the passport contract. Salazar is a seventy- five-

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year- old lawyer, Air Force
Reserve Colonel, former governor in charge of

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putumayo, former congressman. According to
some reports, close to the Conservative Chief

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of Caldas, Omar Jepes and brother
of the former Supreme Court Justice, Ariel

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Salazar, who in turn is attributed
closeness to the prosecutor Margarita Cabello, the

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same one that suspended the chancellorÁlvaro
Leiva. He is the man who is

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in the eye of the hurricane and
here at this hour we greet. Good

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morning, Dr Salazar. Thank you
very much, very good morning, Dr

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Salazar. Let' s start with
the toughest question first. You were offered

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money. You received a bribe for
making your decision. Absolutely not that I

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have explained many times in the performance
of duty. There must be no other

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aspiration to serve the homeland. But
you, some arrival or family member of

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yours, were contacted by individuals to
speak or offer something in exchange for the

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granting of that visitation. I don' t talk to people who came to

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me about the family even a long
time ago, because duty, the colect

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to duty, takes a long time
and I' ve practically given up.

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Made my family nothing to be attending
to the daily caceres of the Ministry of

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Foreign Affairs, as I was forced
to have accepted a position. You'

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ve been a friend butÁlvaro'
s staff was going on for over thirty

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years. What he had said after
his decision to award that tender. That

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friendship is true. I have never
denied it and I have explained several times

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that after having made the decisions,
I called him he told me Joseph,

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being you the secretary that I took
us to the Ministry. Why didn'

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t you tell me that before.
Of course he didn' t tell me

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why he didn' t ask me
to consent, but why he didn'

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t tell me then I explained it, DoctorÁlvaro, because you, then,

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are suspended. And secondly, I
did not consider it necessary. And

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first of all, because I had
the ability to solve that many problems that

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were in the mystery. That was
imitated by the talk that day when I

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asked for the admission acts. It' s been, like, two or

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three days now. I don'
t have any voluntas. We talked about

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it again because I thought he was
upset with me. I hadn' t

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called him back. I thought three
was angry with me and in the fruit

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he did not make any demonstration or
claim about it. Since September last year

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it has been said that you offered
the Minister to award him the tender for

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passports and then declared him insubstantial.
How was that conversation. No, I

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didn' t offer anyone, because
that' s not a matter of offers.

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A tendering process that was advanced with
all the guarantees, with total and

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absolute adherence to the laws of contracting
culminated after many difficulties, after much study,

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after many avendas, in the month
of September, when it owed to

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juicafe, which is the way they
normally build litatory processors. When it reached

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that stage, I informed the Chancellor
that I was going to proceed to locate

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the contract. Then he disagreed.
I told you, DoctorÁlvaro, I

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have to listen to a contract,
because that is the strict application of the

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contact law, which is what we
are doing this listatory process. Then he

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upset told me. He asked me
what the alternative was, I told him

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DoctorÁlvaro. The landlady is that
you take on this whole process because you

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could do it, and I explained
myself to the people who attended to the

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legal issue and that yesterday the way
you could take on the responsibilities that I

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had. The Chancellor summed them up
and proceeded in full exercise of the law

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as Minister, having summed up powers
to dismiss the decision decatory of some of

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the dissipation and then to arrange for
the urgent contrast. That' s the

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procedure that hides in that case For
all the time that happened within September and

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the last time that I took the
powers and can always act, my polon

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was modifiable in the sense that that
process had been carried out with all the

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legal formalities, with such transparency and
that it should have been awarded. Yes,

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but when the Minister decided to resume
the management of the revolving fund of

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the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, he
did so and said that he was going

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to declare the tender to be certain
for reasons of public interest. I mean,

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what he was saying was that his
decisions, Dr Salazar, were against

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the public interest. It didn'
t happen to you that you had to

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leave the chancellery at the time.
No, that' s a point of

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view that he had and I didn' t leave because I had the faculties,

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they had taken them the locker Then
there was no impediment to me,

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no difficulty, and I wanted to
continue to collaborate, to continue helping public

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administration in what is within my reach, because for that I was appointed.

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Then I don' t see any
reason to have pulled me, because if

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the problem is over, I didn' t have it now. Mr Meso

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argued for a reason the public interest
in the fundamental rights reasons of irremobilisation,

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a motivation which, in his opinion, as a man dedicated to the study

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of constitutional issues, was his point
of view. My point of view was

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completely different in the sense that it
should give full and strict application to the

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recruitment rules in the Colombian system.
I was very struck by the fact that

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one of the first things that you
said when you decided to grant this bid

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was that that bid was without legal
floor. The suspension of the Foreign Minister

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was ordered by the Office of the
Procurator and that he could return to his

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post. He weighed in his decision
the wish that he would return to the

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Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Well,
first of all, there are several expressions

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that don' t correspond, that
he offered that I gave him his faculty.

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That' s not true. The
contractual process is a process that is

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advanced starting with a structuring comique that
I do not take part in. But

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I am not going to leave the
answer, Mr Chancellor, what was the

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question. Excuse me, the question
is simple. You make the decision and,

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when you speak for the first time
after making that decision, you say

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that the reasons why the Attorney General' s Office had suspended disappear.Álvaro

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Leiva pesofecto, that condition, that
condition at the time of making the decision,

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that is, you wanted to benefitÁlvaro I was going with your decision

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at all. And those reasons had
disappeared since Minister Murillo transferred new powers to

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the General Secretariat. For that is
logical for any lawyer who disappears the causes

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of the prosecutor' s office to
suspend Chancellor Leiva. Nor is it logical

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why, because you, Dr Salazar, in any case, as Secretary-

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General, were still a subordinate to
Dr Leiva and to that extent he could

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influence the tendering process. Yes,
but the moment Chancellor Murillo gives me the

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full powers as Secretary General again,
which I had never done, the leiva

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doctor throughout that process, from the
moment when the powers that are no longer

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in the head office of the Minister
are transferred. It' s those causes.

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I did nothing but make an assessment, which is legal, but the

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suspension determines it, determines it,
suspends it or concludes it by the Office

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of the Attorney General of Ración and
that event did not occur. I just

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made an appreciation to answer a question. Okay doctor salt the administrative acts that

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you issued. They say because you
also wrote it, so they must be

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sub- published in SECOP, something
that didn' t happen because you had

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closed access at the times you had
to. They also say that, since

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they have not been officially communicated,
the principle of advertising loses its validity because

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they do not comply with the principle
of advertising. Look but before you say

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what you' re handling, they
say they go into rigor with your expedition

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as effectively, in the nature of
those acts you' re sitting in pons

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are. What followed was its publication
in the SECO came, although I had

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not ordered it because SECOP is the
means of publication that the State has.

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But these acts have already entered into
force. Dr Paula, advisor to Chancellor

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Murillo, orders me what opens the
covid The system is blocked. Such communication

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is not necessary for the validity of
the acts because they were already in force.

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When that happens, I make the
media like the communication and information system

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of administrative acts, which is one
of them, and that exactly what happened

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then. The publication of the CC, which is a medium, a simple

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means of communication of the contractual issues
that the State has, was blocked and

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the publication was suffered by other means
in the face of such a situation that

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there was what this is not,
of course in the media that at the

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same time that the administrative acts come
into force. I was practically expelled in

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the secretariat by a person who does
not currently see the Ministry' s official,

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but they said contact and fulfill that
and you are a lawyer. This

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establishes a certain order, which states
that they must be communicated, not communicated

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by the open media, but through
the formality of publishing them in the SECOP,

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which is the State' s means
of communication. Yes, indeed,

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the provisions say communiqué and fulfill because
all the update of communication, as I

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say to them, because they came
into force with their expation. As the

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rules of administrative law say. What
the Community followed are for that communication It

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was possible to do because the officials
who are in charge of that, the

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georg banks are publication mechanisms that handle
people who depend on my secretariat, were

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completely blocked and interrupted. The persons
who in this activity were forced to suspend

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the publication process that they are doing. But the fact that you say in

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the administrative acts publish and comply does
not take away any validity. It is

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a simple system of communication and publicity
that established by the rules after its validity

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in this specific case Oktor, Dr
Salazar, the chancellor in charge, Luis

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Alberto Murillo, says that you awarded
without a certificate of budgetary availability and that

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is why your refusal is illegal and
null and void. What do you say?

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I have heard this on several occasions, starting with the Minister. That

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of an engineer of me, but
well, that is not enough to explain

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it, because it turns out that
in the fourth article of the actor says

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uncle that I have issued the administrative
direction, with the support of this secretariat,

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to enter all the necessary procedures and
procedures to request, constitute and or

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re- establish the proposed reservations,
inspired validitys, future validitys that are required

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for the contract awarded. That provision
in article 4 of my administrative acts.

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As part of the award, the
proposed reservations existed at the time of being

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here. I think they still exist. Where in the release of the appeals

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for the early termination of the contact
that was made of urgency by the disposition

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of chancellor Leiva and mainly in the
lisi this new a process that are planning

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to do a chancellery for the term
of three years. There are the resources

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that were immediately released with my performance. That is the existing budgetary provision.

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Shortly after my performance, the Minister
of Finance indicated that the proposed resources were

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there and someone was hiding them at
the Ministry of Foreign Affairs within a few

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hours. I think 12 o'
clock. Mr Lliso from the Treasury changed

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his mind, but what he said
initially is completely recorded there. Now let

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' s look at the subject of
budget reserve. What is required by law

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is that budgetary resources and primary resources
exist at the time of experience of acts

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that existed and must already be in
existence because of the explanations given in article

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23. I believe from the law
eight hundred and fifty the two thousand seven

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that budgetable regions are a requirement for
the execution of contracts. This is very

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clear, and what is normal or
what is important is to have the budgetary

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resources. And with the provision I
made in the fourth article, which was

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totally my control, the contract was
completely well awarded. That' s the

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term. What is not that this
torpedoed excuses by criminal maneuvers, hear well

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Mr Journalist, through criminal maneuvers through
the Crimes Commission in the Personal Ministry,

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let loose complied with orders and began
torpedoing compliance with the provisions that were in

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force. What these maneuvers consisted of
was that a person who was not at

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that time a staff member came to
my office and then proceeded with the orders

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to be blocked in the dry as
I was and not to make the respective

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publications. Similarly, he ordered that
the budgetary procedures they are doing, which

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are about to be completed in less
than half an hour, should be suspended

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and the certificate could not be issued. Not that the sections existed, because

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they existed and they are existing,
but that a tifcado being was dismissed,

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that is, that it was said
whether there was budgetary availability such activities,

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as it ratified, was prevented by
superior illegal orders. I' m guessing

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it' s Dr Paula you'
re the ones with these crimes, Dr

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Salazar. Yes, indeed, with
his own name, he was already the

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person who came to my office without
being a fulsorary of the Ministry at that

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time and began to handle the subject
and bear, for I withdrew to have

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coffee in the fan bardés and at
once it happened to me in my mind

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to call a medium. I didn' t do it first and the administrative

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acts had enough julgation. Fortunately and
for good, my defense of public heritage

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now with everything you' re doing? When that tooth that I freed the

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State from a patriotic destrement that was
of a certain seventeen billion pesos, because

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the Tribunal immediately considered the validity of
my administrative acts and terminated the process and

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transmitted the claim. But now,
with everything they' re doing, they

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' re taking them to the state, they' re still endangering public property

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for a lawsuit that comes close to
six hundred billion pesos. Thank God,

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I am not in that irreel situation
and I am relieved of those responsibilities,

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because there would not be, I
would not have hesitated for a second to

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assume them and fulfill them as mandated
by the contactual law Doctor Salazar. There

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is a November document of two thousand
twenty- two called the Report of the

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Technical Specifications of the Colombian Electronic Passport
Project. It is a document of the

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same Chancellery that obeys recommendations of the
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of the electronic passport in all jurisdictions. According to that document, the tender

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should not request copies in the tender, as it is not a common practice.

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I am reading textually to request copies
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of proposals, as they are not
grounds for examination, because no supplier,

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except the current one, could give
final specimens. Therefore, only the current

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supplier would be favoured. Some people
say that you had been warned of this

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at meetings and that, however,
that remained one of the conditions of the

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bidding. What do you answer before
that With pleasure, you are talking to

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me about the month of November and
this judge bid nailed true in September,

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and that is that in the month
of November I had no competition for these

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issues. That report that Dr Salazares
is making true references, November of two

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thousand twenty- two. Sixteenth of
November, two thousand twenty- two,

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that is, of the year long
before. With pleasure, then I refer

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to the concrete answer in the process, because I did not intervene in it.

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My activity now explains it. A
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there. In that consultancy, he
said, he did indeed recommend not to

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ask for the samples. A consultancy
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collaborate in the development of the contract. The contract' s technical structuring committee

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finally considered that it was absolutely impossible
to conclude a contract without having the samples,

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because of experiences in other countries that
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contracts have subsequently had difficulty. I
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told the Committee to structure that it
was entrusted with that subject. Finally,

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the subpractor committee of the contract considered
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the samples. I don' t
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don' t intervene in contact structuring. My activity was limited to appointing a

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structured committee composed of professionals from different
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six public accountants, economists, engineers, the systems, business administrators, graphologists

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and forensic documentologists, these people you
trust are worth doing. I don'

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t have a deal and even if
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I' m not able to distinguish
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structured the contract according to or taking
into account the base document, which is

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a consulting document and in the end
considered that it was absolutely important not to

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require samples. But on this has
been enormous falsehoods in the sense that they

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are asking for samples made by the
companies that ended up, which ended up

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favored. That' s completely false. You have read yourself and we have

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spent these weekends the definitive set of
conditions and there it says that you show

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samples similar to those of the Colombian
passport. We could not expose the entity

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to finding, after a contract,
a company that did not have the technical

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skills to do a job. That
it is delicate is that we are talking

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about an issue that carries reasons about
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Colombians have suppressed visas in many parts
of the world just for that reason,

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because their passport is one of the
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Then I couldn' t. We
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a hiring without a requirement that I
made them a structuralist considered absolutely necessary.

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Then I' ll show you again
the OSI report. It is a consultancy

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that was taken care to hire and
also take into account to do things in

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the best way possible. The consultancies
do not force absolutely anyone and in the

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fact that they asked for the samples, what was done was to do things

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the best way and the samples had
similar characteristics to the astor the passport that

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we Colombians have, and that similarity
was in the spirit of maintaining the assurances

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of an instrument that has given us
many advantages or the global one. Well,

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but maintaining that security is for some
it meant making a statement that could

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only win one bidder, because,
for example, the production of passports was

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required to be ready four months after
the award, and that requirement, according

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to other stakeholders, could not meet
it, but the current operator. You.

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What answers to that, he replies
that you got out of the subject

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because we are not talking to him
that the samples that were asked were not

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impossible to make are samples that any
company in the market and the business that

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wants to participate and has the technical
ability and but it is not talking about

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the samples at this time. Please, why, because I got the thing

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out ok were samples that any company
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could do. And so you so
that the day of presentation of ours

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came preferably with black bags and pure
ones or on the desk saying that there

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were contained and finally it went like
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Well, I' m not talking
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samples, but about the deadline for
delivering passports effectively, after the award,

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which was four months. Other interested
parties say that it was impossible for someone

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other than the current supplier to have
that production within four months. That term

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carried the dice of the tender.
According to some you respond to it gladly.

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That question is made about a budget
that is totally false. It is

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completely false why two months and six
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at the start of the contract.
Then any company could participate because it could

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begin to discuss the contract and even
by making some notebooks abroad, according to

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the terms of the priego of conditions
and take the time of six months for

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the implementation of the plant in Colombian
territory. Whatever it was was the offer

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of a plant, not that it
had them. This was what I was

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talking about. There is a fallacy
and deception to public opinion in the sense

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of saying things that are not written
in the solicitation documents. This process has

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been sufficiently monitored by the monitoring bodies. I had not to say the pressure,

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but in the preventions of the general
contraloría, of the general attempt,

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strictly following the process, they knew
that it was a legal process and that

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it was not as Bustly trying to
say it now and addressed and I insist

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the chilenco careful the definitive statement of
conditions that governed the process, says that

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a term of two months is given
for the execution of the contract and there

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is more for the process of implementation
of the plant in national territory. That

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is the part they are saying that
it did not correspond and how a country

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will have developing passports outside its national
context. If in Colombia there is the

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foreign exchange currency, if in Colombia
it is where citizens come to take out

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their passports mostly, then that has
been distorting it in form and that is

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with very dark interests. The issue
of the plant also gave scores for offering

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in North America, not only in
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also Mexico and Canada in Europe and, naturally, in higher scores in the

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national territory. That was a completely
logical thing. Well, Dr Salazar,

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I want to ask you one last
question. What do you know about the

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alleged extortion of Foreign Minister Alvaro Leiva
Dura? That is other questions, but

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I want to ask myself are answered
your previous concerns, because about those concerns

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will arise others, such as how. It' s normal. But it

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is clear to the people that there
was a higher score to have the plant

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established in Colombia and that this higher
score, that difference in score, favored

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the current passport operator. It seems
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it is logical that this should be
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hand, because it creates an advantage
for one of the interested parties, you

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do not create, perfect doctor,
when the advantages are not given by the

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contracting entity, but they are considered
tartistas. What the irregularity. I'

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m not to blame for the contracting
entity. It is not your fault that

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there are some competitors who have greater
advantages, because if you are going to

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buy some cars, it is impossible
to set a deadline for establishing an assembly

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plant or, as others wanted,
within this process that we put in the

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budgets also the silver and bisque to
assemble or implement the plants that to such

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absurdity. A sane person who defends
the interests of the State cannot arrive.

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Now I' m going to answer
your question. There is the extract that

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has to be started by indicating that
there has been an initial imprecision, very

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large in the sense of talking about
a station, because the criminal type of

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the situation says that it is the
one that costs another to do one thing

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for the purpose of obtaining a profit
and I do not see the situation.

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Rather, the criminal offence is that
of the fraud established in article nine hundred

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and forty- seven. The penal
code, which says that it is that

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it obtains an illicit profit for it
has been by a third party with deceptive

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maneuvers, as it is subject to
a penalty. There I saw in my

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judgment, if a criminal conduct is
a criminal type of scam and not what

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they have talked about all the time, the media and the scam, because

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the scam is the Colombian State,
because, according to the demonstrations I have

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heard, the money the resource came
out of the public treasury, because you

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call certain expenses reserved. Now I' m going to tell you that I

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know all that absolutely nothing other than
what I' m going to tell you

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the doctor was going after he put
the subject of the prosecution' s knowledge,

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made me the full comment and past, which is the same one that

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came out in the week magazine about
the scam, to keep using the same

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term. And he told me that
when he was in that situation, when

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they started asking him for the money
via telephone, with the details that are

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already known, he went to the
Presidency of the Republic and there they instructed

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a deputy intelligence officer to give the
money. Well, I don' t

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know anything anymore. I know how
you were instructed. Who gave him the

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instruction. It was given by the
President of the recursica or in the Presidency

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of the Republic. I don'
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or whether it was in the same
National Intelligence Directorate, but it was the

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demonstration he made to me, that
he proceeded in full conformity with what he

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considered to be, and that'
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Then he puts it at random.
Excuse me, excuse me. I pause

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on this because it is very important
what you just said, the order to

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pay the money to the alleged extortionist
or scammer, as you want to rate

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it. He now came from the
Presidency of the Republic. I am fully

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explaining that the information I have is
that the doctor read in front of the

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problem. When I see, I
don' t know what I was doing.

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I know absolutely nothing about that,
but what he told me was that

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he went to the Presidency or went
far away. I don' t play

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yes physically or by phone or by
any. I do not know how,

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because there are no three details and
that is the Presidency. He was managed

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with the National Intelligence Directorate that was
there by the director or that was finally

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handed over by the director of the
National Intelligence Assistant Director. That' s

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what I know up there. I
don' t know anything anymore. I

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must add that thing when you come
to this scandal. I am still a

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secretary and it has been the greatest
sadness I have ever received in my life.

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When a picket arrives so that we
bring the correct term of ten out

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of ten people from the police,
of immediate reaction of the controloría, and

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this produced me almost I want to
cry in the chancellery, to see the

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entity. So I sat down to
ask myself what they were going to see

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where the money came from. I
replied that in the Ministry at all,

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not a single weight and that they
are wasting their time in that distance,

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because I was absolutely certain that no
physical or financial resources had come out of

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the Ministry to learn about those issues. And then they picked up my exclamation

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because they were going to take an
initial version and I said well, and

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I was very sad. That'
s all I know about this is about

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this. Well, doctor, salt. Thank you very much. Beyond sadness,

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I was going to like it well
to do it. No, Mr

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Le, I want to thank you
for this conversation and I said that,

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beyond your sadness, this has a
serious connotation. The fact that the order

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came from the Presidency of the Republic
or that at least this was said by

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the suspended Foreign MinisterÁlvaro Le Iba, regarding the extortion of the Prosecutor'

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s Office, who, through two
confidential sources, told me that it is

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not true that he had proved payment
to the extortionist, asÁlvaro Le Iba

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said, confirmed this information in writing
to journalist Jorge Espinosa of six am from

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Caracol. According to the prosecutor'
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on February 2. On the 5th, Minister Leiva went to the Public Prosecutor

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' s Office, but did not
report this, and only on the 7th

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of February he filed that formal complaint. This is how Jorge Espinosa was informed

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of six of half Caracol, who
asked him through a petition right to pay

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those moneys. Some say that there
are thirty million and others that twenty-

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eight were made by depositing the possible
extortionist or scammer into a Ban Colombia account

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and was made with money from the
National Intelligence Directorate of NIS and without approval

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from a prosecutor. This is especially
sensitive. You just heard Dr Salazar because

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DNA depends directly on President Gustavo Petro
in DNA and successor to the sadly remembered

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Das. There is the thesis that
the payment could be made and that it

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will be healed with the subsequent control, which corresponds only to the deputy counterlord

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for security and defense. Others think
that, without prior approval from a prosecutor,

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it is an illegal payment. Whatever
President Gustavo Petro' s decision to

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relieve the DNA director and Manuel Alberto
Casanova goes through this controversial payment. Journalist

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Jorge Lesmes revealed in the Alternativa magazine
that, on account of the payment of

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the alleged obstructionÁlvaro Leiva, the
director of Intelligence and counter- intelligence,

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the deputy director of operations and the
private secretary of Casanova, also came out.

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This was today' s Colonel report. Thank you very much, Daniel,

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for the report leaves a gigantic squid
and a gigantic contradiction. I don

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' t know if you agree to
the National Intelligence Directorate' s payment order.

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Dr Salazar just told you that he
came from Nariño' s house.

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Wine. Yes, he told you, at least the Chancellor was going to

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him. If that is so,
because then there is the relay in the

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National Intelligence Directorate, as this is
particular. I' ve had some record

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conversations with people from the National Intelligence
Directorate who say the following. Dr Casanova,

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director of DNA, has been acting
naively, which is just a mortal

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sin for someone who exercises intelligence.
Juicy report Colonel headlines the order of payment

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of the expenses reserved by the alleged
extortioner who then said here at the WU

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that it was the other way around
that he was sought and he did not

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seek wine from Nariño' s house. Mighty report Colonel of today until soon

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Daniel a hug a thousand thanks,
Julio