Exclusivo: por primera vez habla el ministro de Educación, Daniel Rojas

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In the WU the report Colonel,
because the long- awaited interview, the

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first well- known interview Minister of
Education who has just appointed the President of

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the Republic, Minister who has been
spattered by a tremendous controversy. Well,

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because of issues of your past on
social media that you don' t forget,

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you don' t forget or erase. Daniel his guest, good morning

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July. This is the Colonel report. Those who know Daniel Rojas define him

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as a person of exceptional intelligence and
a very rapid ability to adapt to any

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circumstance. The truth is that his
appointment in the Ministry of National Education has

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raised a huge controversy over the posting
of his messages on social networks plagued with

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expressions or feces, his previously x
account called Twitter, shows successive are against

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government detractors and media, among others. Some people say that the Minister of

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Education is rude because his brothers have
called Mayor Claudia Lopez to forgive me badly.

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The same epithet has been applied to
former Mayor Enrique Peñalosa and Blue journalists

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He has tried hp but with all
the letters to former President Alvaro Uribe and

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members of the national police. The
softest expression he has used against a political

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counterdictor is that of pyroo, but
this goes through the full range of possible

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rudeness. The reproach that some make
is to point out that Daniel Rojas,

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the appointed Minister of Education, is
a rude one, that the use of

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these expressions impoverishes public controversy and shows
him as an intolerant in the face of

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dissent and that everything can be said, but respecting the human dignity of the

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contradictor. Another important source of criticism
is that the new Minister of Education has

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no experience or training in the field
of education. Rojas is an economist and

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has played a very prominent role as
president of the special asset society. There

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are even detractors of yours. They
recognize that significant progress has been made in

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cleaning up the inventory of the entity
that manages the assets confiscated from the Mafia

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and that many of these properties were
intended to be recast in the midst of

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corruption. Today they are available for
glary reform or even for educational purposes.

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The newspaper, the spectator in today' s editorial, entitled Minister of Education

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for Conspiracy, points out Auro Comillas
Rojas, who had been performing a recognized

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task as president of the special assets
society, arrives without much experience in the

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education sector to occupy a position where
the Gabierno failed the first two years.

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Close Comillas, add the viewer.
That' s why Rojas' s designation

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is strange. He has no weight
in the education guild, no more experience,

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no knowledge of his bold proposals and
leadership skills. He closes Comillas and

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concludes that President Petro is dismissing people
with specific training in the educational area to

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choose a bishop of his for his
loyalty and not for his ability to manage

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a very sensitive sector for the government
program. Many voices have heard about this

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controversial appointment, much less that of
the main protagonist of the issue, José

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Daniel Rojas Medellín, the Minister of
Education, who has agreed to deliver his

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first statements since his appointment here in
the report. Mr Minister, good morning.

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Good morning to Daniel and all the
OLEU listeners. Minister, thank you

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so much for accepting this frank conversation
I want to start by asking you about

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your on- line Twitter messages.
You believe that is the way to express

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the discrepancy with political contradictors. Well, clearly they have been privileged for the

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criticism of some messages that at some
point in my life I put in the

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frame with the context of indignation as
a citizen, since, therefore, I

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had no dignity either within the Government
or within any office of representation. We

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are talking about the times, the
social outbreak, the times when he was

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simply a citizen with, of course, a link to social and political activism.

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But, to answer your question,
it is clearly not the way to

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answer it. And, as in
other triunes, since I' m a

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civil servant, you can still be
loyal to my principles, but of course,

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using the language you owe when you
have this kind of dignity. Yes

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Minister, for some people think that
this is not just a matter of good

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manners, but that this verbal strife
is a sign of intolerance and inability to

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argue with arguments. Let me read
you a part of the Spectator' s

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editorial on the subject I open Comillas. President Petro says that to make that

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criticism is to concentrate on aesthetic forms, but it goes far beyond that.

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The X account of Rojas shows a
person who loves the style of the wineries,

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unable to give complex debates, with
empathy entrenched in their radicalism and lack

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of intellectual rigurosity. That the new
Minister expresses himself in a similar way to

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the twitter wineries that celebrate so much
in the House of Nariño, is not

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a coincidence, but a demonstration of
the way in which the President likes politics

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to be done. What you answer
to that criticism would be the Minister.

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No. I greatly respect the criticisms
of the press about my appointment and on

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the basis of that respect. My
answer is as follows. I am not

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very clear about what reference the editorial
makes and many of our critics, when

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they name wineries, let' s
say I could intuit that it is the

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feeling that the government has with the
popular expression of the country and that it

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is so difficult to understand it and
it is so difficult to have an acceptance

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of the popular demands of the country
in some part of the power, at

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least that they have no other way
of defining them, but wineries. And

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clearly, we do have a feeling. We have a coincidence with what the

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popular sectors in Colombia express, because
we represent them, because they come,

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because that is our origin. And
I don' t want to say with

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this because the debate has centered there
that the popular sectors of the country only

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know how to say rudeness, no
but we do have a colombianity, if

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we have a culture, if we
have some ways to see and understand the

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reality of the country that has not
been understood in the circles of power and

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that' s why the difficulty of
understanding us And that' s why the

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epithet of wineries. On that basis, I think you may be right about

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publishing. We do represent that,
of course, of course in criticism you

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will always have to go and look
for the triunes. More or more times

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that I have put in my life
as an activist or in my youth life

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or in my life of indignation,
but it has not suddenly focused on other

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kinds of publications in which we have
given all kinds of debates, arguing,

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programmatic debates. I went to the
coordinator of the design of the presidential program

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and on that presidential program there was
any kind of debate of all kinds,

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of technical type, of political type, in which we always argued, let

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' s say we always had an
argumentative space to give them clearly, because

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the criticism will not go to seek
such pronouncements. But we actually assumed it.

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We assumed it and so did we
at the time when we accepted the

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presidency of the special asset companies.
We accept and understand that we have appointments

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limitations, but we also know that
we have many capabilities of forming larger teams

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and of being able to assume the
data that we are given. That one.

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Minister, allow me to return for
a moment to the issue of wineries,

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as it has arisen here, which
are not only attributable to sectors that

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sympathize with the Government, but to
sectors that disagree with the Government. What

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when you talk about wineries, is
spoken of from constant and permanent coordinated operations

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in social networks with the purpose of
insulting, criminalizing, in some cases or,

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in the other, canceling contents that
are not at some point favorable to

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the interests, for example, of
Uribism in some cases and in other cases,

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of the supporters of President Petro.
This coordinated action is what has been

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called wineries and it turns out that
some exponents of these activists on social networks

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are handled very successfully using these crude
vulgar expressions. That' s why they

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identify these expressions of theirs with those
of some of the people we don'

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t have to name, but who
have become part of their character. The

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use of this type of violent expression
verbally and that is very successful in social

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networks cn BACOLIX. Well, I
don' t coordinate with anyone in my

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publications more than with myself, and
maybe that' s the mistake. But

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if that is the definition of wineries, then my winery is myself, because

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really, even when it links,
because I am currently still President of the

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AVEs, we have a communications team. The publications in my personal account I

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only coordinate with myself and, of
course, sometimes filled with emotions. They

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make or make triunes or make publications
that, like any human being, they

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express feelings that at that moment I
am having. It is understood, Minister,

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obviously, that the expression of feeling
can always be done in words that

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are less intemperate. Let' s
move on to another topic. Several voices,

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including those of educational experts, have
expressed concern that you lack academic training

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and specific experience in the sector.
What enables you, Minister, to make

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the holder of a portfolio that is
decisive for the government program of President Petro

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sol Bueno, the education sector.
When we talk about the dulcative community or

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the education sector, we would have
to link not only those who call themselves

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experts, but also all the pro- sectors of society that make up the

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educational community, among them the student
movement, among them the teachers, among

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them the same managers of academic institutions
and institutions linked to the education sector.

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In this type of expression I have
received the greatest of the supports and I

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want to take advantage of the space
to thank you for the affability that within

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the student movement and within the academic
movement aggregated and even within many of the

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rectors of public universities with which I
have already had the opportunity to communicate,

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as they have spoken to me another
type of criticism of people who can be

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called experts in the education sector.
I' ll split them in two.

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Those who come to the attack to
dominate and notice that it is paradoxical that

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those who call themselves educational experts come
to him until they dominate, that is

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to say, to attack the person
and not the argument, like the case

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of Mr Sergio Fajardo or the chaso, Mr Alejandro Gaviria, to whom I

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can have the greatest respect, but
you could not answer anything because they have

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come to criticize me, because at
some point I used rudeness. Like anyone

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not using lotteries, but let'
s also say more aimed at questioning me

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as people. Like another kind of
criticism. I have just received a letter

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from the professor of Nabonilla, whom
I admire, although we have ideological differences,

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from the Secretary of Education of Bogotá, a letter in which I find

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some valuable elements to discuss and to
put in the exercise of my work many

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of the questions that she puts in
the public debate. So I make that

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difference to the former, because I
prefer not to pay much attention to them,

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and to the latter, because I
believe that in them I find potrultive

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criticisms on which we can draw up
a national agreement on education. You'

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re going to sit down with some
of those critics who, for example,

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appoint Dr Nabonilla. Professor Julián de
Subiría has also made respectful criticisms of his

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experience. You would be interested in
meeting them and listening to them, of

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course. Of course, it is
of my greatest interest, because I not

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only recognize them as valuable people in
the education process, who have a lot

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to contribute to the country and who, in the framework of the difference,

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I insist that education can be that
great nodal point of national agreement and well

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for that they turn out to be
three valuable people and I would just love

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to take up the job of inviting
them not only to listen to them,

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because it is one thing to listen
to them, but to link them also

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in the construction of public policy and
let us say the direction that the Ministry

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should take, but also I have
the same as societies tell them, that

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special ones. I am firmly convinced
that I require a team of experts and

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people with a background, but also
the political awareness of change that the Government

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programme indicates to us. So welcome
the dialogue, not only so that I

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insist that we have a crux of
words, but also a dialogue with which

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it specifies specific things for the development
of education in Colombia. Mr Minister,

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we live in a time when people
make quick and sometimes unsubstantiated associations. But

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I do one of those reasonings.
You were a member of Senator Gustavo Bolívar

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' s legislative work unit. Senator
Gustavo Bolívar is a person who publicly supported

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the work of the front lines,
which are, let' s say,

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groups of young people who were during
the social uprising, throughout this movement,

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for let' s say, in
the first line it is worth the redundancy

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of resistance to the action of the
security forces. You believe that these young

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people on the front line are going
to have some role in your Ministry.

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Well, I also worked with Senator
Wolsonarios, for example, who is a

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man who comes from representing the student
workers' struggle in the Seine and,

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of course, we have ideological affinities
as much as a taster as Willson with

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the President of the Republic in which
to understand that there is a sixth youth

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in Colombia who, as he expressed
them in the social salido, feel that

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they have no kind of opportunities.
The so- called ninis, who the

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banners they used to fly said we
no longer have anything to lose, that

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is, we are not afraid to
lose our lives, because we have nothing

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to lose, we have no future. Just as a journalist who associates me

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with Rodrigo' s film of no
future told me, because that' s

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the guy perhaps has for journalist reason
This is the kind of sensitivity we have

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for Colombian youth and, of course, in the context of the social explosion.

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Those young people who no longer felt
that their lives in Colombia had any

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meaning at all, because, however, at the time they received a response

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to the State, they were worth
it, because they had no qualms about

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confronting violence with violence. I do
believe that for them, in this government

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that is said to be changing,
we must have the urgency to present to

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them an alternative, the alternative of
being able to have a life plan and

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to be able to channel their longings
within the framework of the right to education,

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the right to work and, of
course, to form free citizenships,

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as we constantly say, the freedom
to choose, to form, to choose

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a productive concreteness for their lives or, of course, to choose then other

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paths that would lead them, because
perhaps to the loss of freedom, if

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they so said, but at least
that they have the freedom to choose and

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that within that choice, education is
an open door for them. It is

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true that his main mission in the
Ministry is to produce mobilizations in the universities

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in favor of the government. We
like active citizenships, but let them mobilize

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that experience, but not in favor
of the Government and in that very drastic

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today. I would like a student
movement to participate in decision- making,

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but participate constructively and participate in consultation. Is that, for example, now

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is that it tells me of my
main challenge because my main time would be

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to open up its university students and
the experiences that we have already acquired in

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terms of achieving infrastructure for the expansion
of university coverage. It can help us

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in that sense that they are mobilized
to tell us where, how the new

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university networks are opened, what are
the programs that demand the most, how

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far and how we could get in
the drafting of the law. This is

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your task of education, which is
a debt that we have as a state

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since ninety- four. What reform
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proactive mobilization, which is not how
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protesting and in the context of the
confrontations. We cannot find spaces for democratic

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demolishment so that there can be a
youthful constituent power. And understand this and,

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please, that those who hear us
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that from here we are going to
try a constituent national assembly or a change

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in the Constitution. No. What
we want is for us to deepen democracy

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and for the sovereign and, in
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community, to have an impact on
the elaboration of public policies. Mr Minister,

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you speak of youthful constituent power and
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arisen with the election of rector of
the National University, there has been talk

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of university constituent. What exactly is
a university constituent that and what role does

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that have in President Petro' s
proposals, which remain unclear to many Oxante

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people. Well, that is an
expression that has emerged from the same student

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mobilization and we, therefore, respect
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President of the Republic and for us
that is wonderful news as long as we

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can articulate the student movement for the
purposes of the Government. However, as

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I say, it is a proposal
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movement and remains very bad to me
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Minister of Education, you can appropriate
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belong to the student movement. So
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Let' s say what the ultimate
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the general public can count on is
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availability for dialogue and propositional action,
just as we have every willingness to do

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so with our critics, for,
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Yes, Minister, you will understand
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not easy to interpret. You talk
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of the government. What exactly does
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mobilize and protest in favor of government
reforms, for example, using students'

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ability to propose than students. They' re not just mobilizing. Students have

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schedules. They' ve built for
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since I' ve known a student
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s always been purposeful. Protests against
successive reforms to the 30th law. I

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' m sorry to have a counter- proposal behind it and there was always

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a willingness to dialogue, to use
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of those who know the national education
system better and to whom we owe ourselves

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as public officials in the education sector. Believe me Daniel, and this and

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let' s say this I want
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sit down and build, with all
the actors, on a purpose that is

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beyond the country, that is,
education, but without giving up on the

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purposes of the Government' s programme, which are very clear. Extend coverage,

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improve quality and, of course,
bring the guarantee of the right to

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its May maximum expression. Expanding coverage
and improving quality, Minister, what do

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you think of private education. It
is possible and desirable to establish agreements between

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the Government and private educational institutions so
that young people with limited economic resources have

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access, for example, to private
colleges and universities. It is likely and

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possible, but not enough. Immersion
of the market in the guarantee of the

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right may help us to solve part
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as of its genuine expression, must
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last resort, or even of first
instance in terms of preponderance. So,

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welcome to the private sector, but
the public sector has to roast because markets

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have flaws and because the market has, overwhelmingly, a search for utility,

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or let' s say, a
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because those sectors that are excluded by
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marginalized in the competitive logic of the
market. That' s our criticism of

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programs like being pilo pays, but, of course, welcome, lends,

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let' s say the private provision
of the right, but our people don

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' t understand, I mean,
that we have to establish equality in access

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to educational opportunities, so that we
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for the poor and privileged education for
the most favored sectors, and I believe

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that in that we can achieve a
great national agreement. Minister, I want

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to ask you for your predecessors what
opinion you deserve from Alejandro Gaviría' s

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performance in the education portfolio. Well, I, at that time, was

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super focused on my work and I
cannot make a very thorough evaluation of the

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performance of former ministers Alejandro Gaviria,
beyond the personal, in what I think

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we had a cordial and kind relationship
and what I could see in the meetings

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or with advice from Minnesonos that could
be present and in which the President of

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Gustavo Petro always expressed a disagreement that
the additional resources obtained in this Government have

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been prioritized to increase coverage in others
have been redirected to keep other obligations to

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that purpose that for the Government and
for the government program were priority. In

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other words, I believe that the
Minister did not understand very well the purposes

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of this Government by preferring to use
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not even invest. That could not
be called investment. Use them to pay

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off debts left by the past government
rather than prioritize the student community' s

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need to increase coverage. There is
a delay and that, then, is

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something that I agree with the President
of the Republic, because that was problematic

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because ultimately we failed to respect the
youth who elected us mostly and the Minister

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did not understand it and took advantage
of his question to ponder, respect,

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value, applaud the work of Minister
Aurora Vergara, my companion. We both

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lead the joint. As soon as
we win with the past government, we

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barely win the election. I met
them there not only as people, but

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also the professional and ethical qualities that
the sector has. I would very much

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like Aurora to follow me, not
continue to accompany me at this stage of

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the Ministry, because I think she
is a very valuable woman and, in

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addition, with the political clarity that
this exarte, very kind, very considerate,

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the words of her fferents or predecessors, requires. But what did she

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do that you would not do,
Minister, Well, not that is the

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most difficult of the questions you have
asked me, because I have considered the

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work of the Minister as impeccable work. So, I don' t see

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any mistakes in your career as Minister, of course, like anyone else,

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but maybe a little bit to make
a little change to your question and be

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able to answer something. What I
would do all of a sudden is maybe

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speed up a little bit and I
think it' s already paving the way.

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It has made it a very,
very important task to pave the way

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for speeding up the process of opening
new university campuses and leaving it to a

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certain extent a little easy to achieve. Then, I know that with the

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help of her and with many other
friends who have already expressed their desire to

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collaborate with us. We will therefore
be able to do so thanks to the

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appointed Minister of Education, Daniel Rojas, a 37- year- old economist.

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From next week, he will be
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education. This was today' s
Colonel report. Thank you very much.