Exclusivo: Habla Iván Cepeda sobre declaración del Clan del Golfo en su contra

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They apply terms and conditions. The
WU report, Colonel. A scoop from

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the colonel report. Senator Iván Cepeda
has information about the alleged intention of a

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paramilitary narco- leader to point him
out as the perpetrator of illegal activities.

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The scoop is on the report,
Colonel. We' re not talking about

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anyone who' s looking for a
principle of opportunity. We' re talking

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about the head of one of Colombia' s most feared criminal organizations. But

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I' d better start the report, Colonel Daniel Good Morning July. This

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is the Colonel report. On Friday, the Attorney General of the Nation light

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Adriana Camargo, received a right of
petition from Senator Ivan Cepeda, who tells

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her that she has had information about
the intention of a leader named Gulf Clan

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to negotiate with the prosecution a principle
of opportunity. And here comes the most

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interesting. Senator Cepeda says that principle
of opportunity would be demanded by that head

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of the Gulf clan. In exchange
for auro quotes deliver information to implicate me

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falsely in illegal actions. The report
learned that the leader of the Gulf clander,

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who is supposed to advance efforts to
try a principle of opportunity is Giovannis

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de JesúsÁvila Villa Diego, best
known for his alias Chiquito Malo. No

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one in the prosecution confirms the existence
of Chiquito Malo' s rapprochements. A

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few minutes ago, lawyer Ricardo Giraldo, who has served as a proxy for

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the so- called self- defense
activists. As he likes the Gulf clan

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to be told, he assured me
that Chiquito Malo is not looking for a

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princely opportunity. However, other lawyers
claim that there is tension among members of

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the Gulf clan and that this would
have motivated their boss, Chiquito Malo,

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to explore an individual alternative of submission. But what does Senator Ivan have to

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do with all this? But,
well, this starts years ago. In

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the two thousand and fifteen, the
Gulf clan, known at that time simply

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as the Hurabians, controlled about thirty
percent of the drug trafficking operation in Colombia.

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The Government of President Juan Manuel Santos
attempted to demobilize the powerful criminal structure

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at that time, commanded by Dairo
Antonio Usuga Alias Otoniel and authorized Senator Ivan

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Cepeda to make rapprochement with that criminal
organization. Things didn' t work out

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at the time. For the time
being, the Uruguayans wanted political treatment and

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that was unpresentable to Colombia and the
international community. As euphemistically we call the

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Gobio of America. The Santos government
proposed a collective submission and they wanted not

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to talk about submission, but about
placement. And to conclude, the Attorney

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General of the time, Néstor Humberto
Martínez, was convinced that any negotiation with

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those groups of drug traffickers distorted the
raison d'être of the rule of

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law. The thing was damaged,
Otoniel. He was later captured in the

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government of President Iván Duque, under
circumstances that continue to raise questions and controversy.

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He was then extradited when he began
to speak of his allies and handed

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over a list of military politicians and
even universities with which he had an alliance.

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That list was revealed here in the
report after Otoniel' s extradition.

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The power of the ancient Hurabians remained
in the hands of Wilmer, Giraldo,

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Alias Yopa and Chiquito Mano, but
a year ago, Ciopas was murdered to

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do and his body found on a
road of the Tioki babe. The command

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was held by Chiquito Malo, who
apparently is the person who wants to deliver

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information against Ivan Zepeda, whom we
greet at this hour. Good morning,

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Senator, good morning, Daniel,
I' d like to greet you as

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always. Well, Senator, tell
me, what do you know about this

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alleged principle of opportunity from Chiquito Malo? Well, a few days ago I

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had information from a source that I
consider to be credible, and that information

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was in the sense of what you
have outlined. A leader of the Gulf

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clan or a chief would be seeking
a principle of opportunity, judicial benefits in

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the prosecution and would have made an
offer of information that would include pointing out

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in actions that are openly illegal.
The information was brief. We don'

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t go into much detail, but
under these circumstances, I always tend to

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proceed in an immediate way, that
is, at the very moment I learned

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about this information, I made it
public through my account in x and I

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have formally requested the prosecution. I
am informed whether it is true or not

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that there is a good one in
progress if there may be a kind of

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submission of this nature in progress,
because if so, then this submission would

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be doing in exchange for false information. And for that I am willing to

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respond, as I have always done
before justice. Attorney Ricardo Giraldo, who

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has officiated as representing so much legal
of the so- called gypsy self-

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defenses, told me a few minutes
ago that he does not know and that

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he denies any principle of opportunity in
which he is small hand. The truth

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is that, nine years ago,
in the government of President Santos, you

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tried a rapprochement with the Uruguayans who
now call themselves self- defense guitarists,

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what was the nature of your relationship
with that group. Well, that was

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a process of rapprochement that was done
with the express authorization of the President of

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the Republic, who at that time
was Juan Manuel Santos, and with the

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participation of the Attorney General of the
Nation. At first Dr Jorge Perdomo was

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there and then Dr Néstor Humberto Martínez
and later directly intervened who was Vice President

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of the Republic, General Oscar Narán, for this type of action, since

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there was never direct contact with the
leaders of the Gulf clan, but through

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representatives who were duly accredited to the
national Government and the Prosecutor' s Office.

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And well, there was progress,
as you said, and there was

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really a certain possibility that these people, at least a part of that group,

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would demobilize, but there was also
very strong interference. I have to

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say it. For that to be
achieved, a law was voted in the

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Congress of the Republic, which we
very seriously criticized because it did not really

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offer any serious possibility of making this
submission viable. And that contributed, among

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other factors, to the possibility of
this demobilization being overturned. Senator you tell

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us there was no contact with the
bosses at that time, but now,

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let' s just say the person
who would supposedly be looking for that principle

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of opportunity is alle chiquito malo.
You met him back then. I have

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never had any direct or indirect contact
with that gentleman. At that time,

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who was the head of the organization
was Naralia Sotoniel, and this man later

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appeared on the real scene. So
when we made those facilitation efforts. He

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did not even appear as one of
the main ones, as heads of the

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organization. It was after that approach. This isn' t the first time

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you' ve been plowing, but
there' s an attempt to link you

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to illegal activities. But this coincides
with the beginning of the trial of Mr

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President al Barurib. You believe that
there may be a network connection between the

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two facts. No, I haven' t made this kind of relationship or

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I don' t have any elements
to indicate it. But in the face

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of this kind of smear campaigns,
because I proceed in a standardized way,

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that is, when I find out
about them, I immediately bring the authorities

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to the attention, because of course
one already knows what is going on with

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this, and it is that this
matter or this kind of business ends up

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in which there may eventually be some
pronouncement of justice and then, years later,

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it is shown that they were false. And then, obviously, irreparable

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damage has already been done to the
honour and name of the people. That

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' s why I, in this
case, act preventively. I did so

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several times during the administration of Dr
Néstor Humberto Martínez, who, among other

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things, at some point tried to
throw into public opinion some kind of assertions

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that I considered totally inadequate and that
is why I immediately asked him very clear

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questions through hateful rights. And on
this occasion, because I have no evidence

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whatsoever that the prosecution is proceeding against
me, but in this case it is

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very convenient and necessary to have clarity. Senator, you' re answering this

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call from Caracas, where another round
of conversations with ellene takes place. Allow

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me to change from this moment.
Many Colombians feel that this process has lost

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credibility months ago and that it reached
its peak with the recent announcement by its

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top commander, Antonio García, that
the LN will resume kidnappings until when the

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government will continue in Udo in this
initiative that honestly does not seem to go

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anywhere. No. I wouldn'
t say that, Daniel, we'

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ve had a year and maybe nine
months of dialogue with the LN, and

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in this period there' s been
a blind fire that' s lasted for

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well, it' s going to
last about a year or a year.

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Next August three would be a year. At that time, the ln has

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suspended some of the actions, especially
against the security forces, that have generated

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at other times a very serious damage, since to families, to people who

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are in the institution of the security
forces or in the institutions of the security

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forces, and that must be valued
positively. ELNE suspended the kidnapping for a

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few months. He has announced that
he is going to resume that practice.

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We, of course, have demanded
that you resume your commitment. But that

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is the way peace negotiations are,
that is, they are subject to a

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series of crises, problems and difficult
situations, but we must persevere in them.

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We are now at this meeting where
we hope that on 25 May,

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for the first time, an agreement
can be reached on an agenda item with

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the NL In this case there are
six points. That would mean that we

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would already be finishing the first item
on the agenda. Of course it will

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go away is little in relation to
the time that has passed, but we

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have also made progress in other areas, as I have already said, Senator.

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Finally, I want to ask you
a question. For years, you

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and other members of the left are
working to get a member of the left

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to reach the Colombian presidency with a
left government. It was this thing that

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' s happening. What you imagined, because what I always assumed and in

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that I have not been wrong,
is that it was going to be very

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difficult and that it was going to
be full of difficulties, problems, errors

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and also important successes, and I
believe that this conviction I still have in

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a country like Colombia, which has
so many problems. The beginning of a

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Government that wants to make a change
is marked by such obstacles and problems.

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I believe that there are issues on
which the Government has been right, there

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are reforms that are indiscreet in which
it has made progress, and also,

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of course, mistakes have been made
and there are things that need to be

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improved. There is certainly something very
important about the implementation of public policy,

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namely respect for the institutional framework and
the rules. However, there are statements

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by the President of the Republic,
especially in the public square that cause concern

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for many Colombians. I' m
going to read you a textual Auro Comillas

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says President Petro. I' ll
go as far as the village says.

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If the people say later, later, I read without fear, without fear,

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we will go where the Colombian people
order. The President of the Republic

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has only one commander at the head, and that commander is called the people

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of Colombia. I' m closing
Comillas. How do you interpret this statement

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by President Petro? Well, in
the spirit of the Constitution, the people

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really belong to the sovereign. But
beyond the interpretations are the facts. President

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Petro has respected the constitutional, legal
order, the division of public powers and

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in all his actions as President of
the Republic, he has adhered to its

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principles, his actions can be criticized, his views may be disagreed with.

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But, of course, there is
a respect here for the institutions and for

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the Constitution. And I' m
going to set an example. A few

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days ago I heard a speech on
rural reform and the President said that one

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hectare of land had been expropriated.
The forecast at the beginning of the government

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is that this was going to be
more or less like the end of private

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ownership in Colombia and, on the
contrary, what has been done is not

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only to respect it, but to
try to buy it land, because guilds

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like fede Gan, who have obviously
entered into this dynamic with the government.

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So I believe that fears and speculations
do not say they have anything to do

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with your question, but that they
are thrown many times in the speech,

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in the public debate, because they
are really unjustified. You believe that the

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President is going to try to stay
beyond the seven of August of two thousand

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twenty- six, not give himself. I do not believe He has been

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in that repeatedly and supremely clear.
It will neither aspire nor promote re-

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election. Well, you' ve
raised a lonely voice from the left.

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He says that the initiative of the
constituent of President Gustavo Petro is inconvenient.

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He has answered you, said something
in front of your remarks. No.

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I believe that the President has been
very clear and in that we say my

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call was at the very moment when
I did it to accentuate the path.

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From the beginning, he has called
for a national agreement. I believe that

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is the essential factor in political life. Or that it can make a difference

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in political life today, because any
initiative that is undertaken and that has a

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real purpose for change in our society
must have at the base an agreement of

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the main economic, political and social
forces. And that includes, then,

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the elite sectors, the sectors that
have had, or have had, power,

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but also, of course, the
citizens, the popular sectors. So

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it' s in that direction that
there' s a thousand calls and no,

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I think there' s a lot
of voices that support that idea.

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I hope that it will come to
fruition as soon as possible, because thank

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you very much to Senator Iván Cepeda
for this frank conversation and for these for

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responding to these concerns that exist in
the country. He speaks from Caracas,

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where another cycle of eternal conversations with
the National Liberation Army is advanced. This

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was the Colonel report. Thank you
very much, thank you very much,

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Senators. This was today' s
Colonel report. Thank you very much,

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thank you very much,