July 19, 2024
El principio de oportunidad de Sneyder Pinilla y la prueba contra MinHacienda
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At the WU, Colonel' s
report in Colombia is seven in the morning
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and fifteen minutes. Here' s
Daniel Colonel with his report. Good morning.
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Good morning, John Paul. This
is the report Colonel declare against several
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officials, senior officials, including the
Minister of Finance, spend five and a
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half years in prison, pay the
fines associated with the conviction and return the
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public money from which he appropriated.
These are Snader Pinilla' s commitments to
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the prosecution to access the principle of
opportunity. Next Thursday, July 25,
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the agreement will be signed between the
former deputy director of the Ungred National Disaster
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Risk Management Unit and the research entity. Pinilla has insisted on another point that
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cannot be resolved by the prosecution,
but by the judge to whom the case
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belongs. This is the definition of
their place of detention. He argues that
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he cannot be sent to a ward
of public officials for the simple reason that
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a large part of those mentioned by
him are civil servants. Instead, he
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calls for his detention in a military
facility that provides him with security. The
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Office of the Prosecutor has reiterated that
this decision is not in its hands,
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but that, when the time comes, it will support before the judge the
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request of the Pinilla defense if all
other points are being complied with, especially
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the delivery of evidence that will allow
high officials and contractors to be prosecuted before
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the judges and congressmen involved in the
Supreme Court of Justice. In the last
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few hours, initially journalist Sylvia Charry
of Cambio magazine and later other media outlets
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revealed a line of communications time that
has to do with the planned allocation of
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three times allegedly to pay parliamentary votes. These contracts are those of Cotorra in
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Cordoba for fifty billion pesos, Salado
BolÃvar for twelve thousand three hundred fifty million
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and Sara Ben in Arauca for thirty
zero million. The instruction to make these
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contracts, which total more than ninety- two million, came from Carolina MartÃnez,
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the advisor to the director of the
Jerez de Olmedo López, and was
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left in a voice note saying that
the agreement with those three mayors was expedited,
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because auro quotes. If you don' t drop what you' re
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doing in Congress, I want to
tell you or help you talk to the
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director. This is sent to me
by the congressional adviser, the interior minister
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and Dr. Carlos Ramón del Dapre. He has always sent out certain requests
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for the director of the settire,
understanding that he is the congressional liaison.
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In fact, it' s all
the same. He calls me to tell
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me what' s so important that
we tend these three mayors, because if
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they don' t drop it,
I don' t know what they drop
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what they' re doing in Congress. You haven' t said, I
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don' t know how important it
is I' m sending it to you
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so that, please, you help
him ask if it' s really important
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or they don' t drop what
they' re doing in Congress. Recording
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alone doesn' t mean that much. It is the listening version of an
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official who mentions the then Minister of
the Interior, Luis Hernando Velasco, and
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the then director of the Administrative Department
of the Presidency, Carlos Ramón González.
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What is really serious is the timeline
that drives these facts and how it is
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unfolding. First, the communication you
just heard happened on Tuesday, December 12,
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last year, at six to nine
minutes in the afternoon. Please note
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that ordinary sessions of Congress are scheduled
to end on 16 December, which was
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Saturday of the same week. Second, a few hours later, at ten
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and fifty- six on Tuesday night, Olmedo Lopez sends you messages from Whatsappa
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snetter Pinilla that you can see on
the Writ page reiterating the urgency of those
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three contracts. Third, on Thursday, December 14, at six o'
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clock in the afternoon and four minutes
as the close of the legislature was approaching,
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the Minister of Finance, Ricardo Bonilla
writes to him Snatehr Pinillas telling him
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Comillas Good afternoon, Deputy Director worried
about the destination of resources viabilized projects,
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Sierra Comillas. Just two minutes later
there' s a phone call from Minister
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Bonilla Ai Snader Pinilla. It is
unusual for the Minister of Finance to have
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communications with a junior official of an
administrative unit under the Presidency. Snader was
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not even the second of the NGORED, but it is by itself very revealing
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that a relatively minor official receives calls
from the head of the country' s
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financial portfolio. Check if that was
really the Bonilla Minister' s number and
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it is also the image that appears
in the Whatsapps is also the one that
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the Minister is still using today.
The fifth element of this chronology is given
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the following day, on 15 December, at eleven in the morning and two
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minutes, when Pinilla sends a message
from Whatsapp to the Minister of Finance.
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Three hours later, she contacted Minister
Bonilla' s advisor, MarÃa Alejandra Benavides,
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and Pinilla' s communications and calls
continued with her and with interested parties
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in the three contracts. That is
to say, the Minister' s call
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articulates these two parts and puts Snateder
Pinilla in communication with his advisor, who
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then gives him messages from the Minister
telling him about the importance of these three
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contracts. In response, I asked
the Minister of Finance, Ricardo Bonilla,
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to hold an off- the-
record conversation to learn his version of the
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timing of these communications. The Minister
kindly replied, by the way, from
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the same number that appears in the
communications with Pinilla told me that for now
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it is not possible, but that
he will gladly speak to me only when
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his lawyers review the testimonies and the
evidence. This last word of evidence put
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it in quotation marks. This gets
complicated every day. Ministers Sabaz, Pretel
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de la Vega and Diego Palacio went
to jail for similar events. After many
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00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:15.879
pauses come and go. They were
convicted of the crime of bribery for offering
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and handing over gifts to congressmen to
favor the approval of the constitutional reform that
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00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:27.399
allowed the re- election of then
PresidentÃlvaro Uri. The case seems to
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be a matter of no less than
offering public works contracts to ensure approval of
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00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:38.120
projects of interest to the Government,
the opening of a preliminary investigation to the
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00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:45.439
Minister of Finance by the prosecution foresaw
what may come. This was today'
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s Colonel report.
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At the WU, Colonel' s
report in Colombia is seven in the morning
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00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:11.919
and fifteen minutes. Here' s
Daniel Colonel with his report. Good morning.
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00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:17.160
Good morning, John Paul. This
is the report Colonel declare against several
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00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:24.960
officials, senior officials, including the
Minister of Finance, spend five and a
5
00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:31.679
half years in prison, pay the
fines associated with the conviction and return the
6
00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:37.520
public money from which he appropriated.
These are Snader Pinilla' s commitments to
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00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:43.439
the prosecution to access the principle of
opportunity. Next Thursday, July 25,
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00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:48.799
the agreement will be signed between the
former deputy director of the Ungred National Disaster
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00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:56.359
Risk Management Unit and the research entity. Pinilla has insisted on another point that
10
00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:00.439
cannot be resolved by the prosecution,
but by the judge to whom the case
11
00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:06.040
belongs. This is the definition of
their place of detention. He argues that
12
00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:10.640
he cannot be sent to a ward
of public officials for the simple reason that
13
00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:15.159
a large part of those mentioned by
him are civil servants. Instead, he
14
00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:22.400
calls for his detention in a military
facility that provides him with security. The
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00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:25.879
Office of the Prosecutor has reiterated that
this decision is not in its hands,
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00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:30.120
but that, when the time comes, it will support before the judge the
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00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:36.719
request of the Pinilla defense if all
other points are being complied with, especially
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00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:42.359
the delivery of evidence that will allow
high officials and contractors to be prosecuted before
19
00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:46.599
the judges and congressmen involved in the
Supreme Court of Justice. In the last
20
00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:52.040
few hours, initially journalist Sylvia Charry
of Cambio magazine and later other media outlets
21
00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:57.879
revealed a line of communications time that
has to do with the planned allocation of
22
00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:07.719
three times allegedly to pay parliamentary votes. These contracts are those of Cotorra in
23
00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:13.000
Cordoba for fifty billion pesos, Salado
BolÃvar for twelve thousand three hundred fifty million
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00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:20.360
and Sara Ben in Arauca for thirty
zero million. The instruction to make these
25
00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:23.800
contracts, which total more than ninety- two million, came from Carolina MartÃnez,
26
00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:29.039
the advisor to the director of the
Jerez de Olmedo López, and was
27
00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:32.840
left in a voice note saying that
the agreement with those three mayors was expedited,
28
00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:39.560
because auro quotes. If you don' t drop what you' re
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00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:44.439
doing in Congress, I want to
tell you or help you talk to the
30
00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:49.400
director. This is sent to me
by the congressional adviser, the interior minister
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00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:55.080
and Dr. Carlos Ramón del Dapre. He has always sent out certain requests
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00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:58.759
for the director of the settire,
understanding that he is the congressional liaison.
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00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:02.080
In fact, it' s all
the same. He calls me to tell
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00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:08.520
me what' s so important that
we tend these three mayors, because if
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00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:15.039
they don' t drop it,
I don' t know what they drop
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what they' re doing in Congress. You haven' t said, I
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00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:19.280
don' t know how important it
is I' m sending it to you
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00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:25.199
so that, please, you help
him ask if it' s really important
39
00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:28.280
or they don' t drop what
they' re doing in Congress. Recording
40
00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:32.080
alone doesn' t mean that much. It is the listening version of an
41
00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:37.159
official who mentions the then Minister of
the Interior, Luis Hernando Velasco, and
42
00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.960
the then director of the Administrative Department
of the Presidency, Carlos Ramón González.
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00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:46.759
What is really serious is the timeline
that drives these facts and how it is
44
00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:54.000
unfolding. First, the communication you
just heard happened on Tuesday, December 12,
45
00:03:54.199 --> 00:04:00.159
last year, at six to nine
minutes in the afternoon. Please note
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00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:06.400
that ordinary sessions of Congress are scheduled
to end on 16 December, which was
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00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:13.759
Saturday of the same week. Second, a few hours later, at ten
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00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:17.680
and fifty- six on Tuesday night, Olmedo Lopez sends you messages from Whatsappa
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00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:23.680
snetter Pinilla that you can see on
the Writ page reiterating the urgency of those
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00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:30.240
three contracts. Third, on Thursday, December 14, at six o'
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00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:36.319
clock in the afternoon and four minutes
as the close of the legislature was approaching,
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00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:45.240
the Minister of Finance, Ricardo Bonilla
writes to him Snatehr Pinillas telling him
53
00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:54.439
Comillas Good afternoon, Deputy Director worried
about the destination of resources viabilized projects,
54
00:04:54.439 --> 00:05:01.759
Sierra Comillas. Just two minutes later
there' s a phone call from Minister
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00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:06.680
Bonilla Ai Snader Pinilla. It is
unusual for the Minister of Finance to have
56
00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:13.120
communications with a junior official of an
administrative unit under the Presidency. Snader was
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00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:19.279
not even the second of the NGORED, but it is by itself very revealing
58
00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:29.120
that a relatively minor official receives calls
from the head of the country' s
59
00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:33.600
financial portfolio. Check if that was
really the Bonilla Minister' s number and
60
00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:40.360
it is also the image that appears
in the Whatsapps is also the one that
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00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:46.439
the Minister is still using today.
The fifth element of this chronology is given
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00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.480
the following day, on 15 December, at eleven in the morning and two
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00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:57.439
minutes, when Pinilla sends a message
from Whatsapp to the Minister of Finance.
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00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:04.079
Three hours later, she contacted Minister
Bonilla' s advisor, MarÃa Alejandra Benavides,
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00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:13.560
and Pinilla' s communications and calls
continued with her and with interested parties
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00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:18.199
in the three contracts. That is
to say, the Minister' s call
67
00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:25.079
articulates these two parts and puts Snateder
Pinilla in communication with his advisor, who
68
00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:30.120
then gives him messages from the Minister
telling him about the importance of these three
69
00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.319
contracts. In response, I asked
the Minister of Finance, Ricardo Bonilla,
70
00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:38.920
to hold an off- the-
record conversation to learn his version of the
71
00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:42.519
timing of these communications. The Minister
kindly replied, by the way, from
72
00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:46.639
the same number that appears in the
communications with Pinilla told me that for now
73
00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:53.639
it is not possible, but that
he will gladly speak to me only when
74
00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:58.279
his lawyers review the testimonies and the
evidence. This last word of evidence put
75
00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:03.000
it in quotation marks. This gets
complicated every day. Ministers Sabaz, Pretel
76
00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:09.879
de la Vega and Diego Palacio went
to jail for similar events. After many
77
00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:15.879
pauses come and go. They were
convicted of the crime of bribery for offering
78
00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:21.720
and handing over gifts to congressmen to
favor the approval of the constitutional reform that
79
00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:27.399
allowed the re- election of then
PresidentÃlvaro Uri. The case seems to
80
00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:32.240
be a matter of no less than
offering public works contracts to ensure approval of
81
00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:38.120
projects of interest to the Government,
the opening of a preliminary investigation to the
82
00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:45.439
Minister of Finance by the prosecution foresaw
what may come. This was today'
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00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:46.240
s Colonel report.
