March 20, 2024
El informe secreto de Control Risks sobre la presidencia de Ecopetrol

WEBVTT
1
00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:08.839
At the WU. Colonel' s
report has the findings of the assessment against
2
00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:20.160
Risk Control. Companies hire corporate intelligence
experts to know what impact a decision,
3
00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:27.280
an appointment, a conduct, a
complaint can have, what impact it can
4
00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:31.760
have on the company and, most
importantly, on its stock market value,
5
00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:39.560
Daniel, what RIZK control brings in
the July Colonel Good Days report. This
6
00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:44.479
is today' s Colonel report.
This last Friday, tomorrow will be the
7
00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:49.159
Shareholders' Assembly of Copetrol and from
now it is previewed that it will be
8
00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:53.600
to rent balcony. President Petro is
pushing for the change of the Board of
9
00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:59.119
Directors, in which five of the
nine members will be replaced by people close
10
00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:03.520
to the Government. The plate,
that is, the proposed list of directors
11
00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:08.079
to be published on March 1st only
appeared this week on Copetrol' s official
12
00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:15.439
page, thereby violating the shareholders'
right of inspection. Moreover, seven members
13
00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:23.560
of the outgoing board of directors questioned
the professional competence of the new directors to
14
00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:30.359
be part of the largest company in
Colombia. That would be enough. But
15
00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:36.560
what causes the most concern within COPETL
is the conclusion of a report on the
16
00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:42.319
company' s risks. The existence
of that report had even been denied a
17
00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.480
few days ago by members of the
administration. The truth is, it does
18
00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:51.560
exist. It is highly confidential and
has been kept secret so far. It
19
00:01:51.599 --> 00:02:00.560
was prepared by the British multinational consultant
against the RESC expert in corporate institutional intelligence
20
00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:05.079
and risk management. The company,
one of the most prestigious in the world
21
00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:09.919
in its field, did an investigation
and evaluation of the risk of coperroll due
22
00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:14.159
to the circumstances that have surrounded the
president of the company, Ricardo Roa,
23
00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.599
and that have to do with it. First, with the purchase of an
24
00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:22.479
apartment by him at the price of
Ganga, Mr Serafino and aconus entrepreneur with
25
00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:30.639
interest in the hydrocarbon sector. Second, with the investigation of Dr Roa for
26
00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:37.719
alleged and regularity in the financing of
the election campaign of President Gustavo Petro that
27
00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:43.280
includes contributions from two unions, the
Colombian Federation educator Es FECODE and the Trade
28
00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:50.360
Union of Copetrol, the Union trade
union Obrera Uso and, third, the
29
00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:54.879
short but existing contracts of public entities
granted to the permanent partner of the President
30
00:02:54.960 --> 00:03:00.360
of Copetrol, Mr Julián Caicedo.
These and some other issues would be discussed
31
00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:06.319
in the Audit and Risk Committee of
the Board of Directors of Copetrol, which
32
00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.800
decided to hire multinational Control Rick to
assess whether these situations involving Dr Roa may
33
00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:17.719
affect the future of the company,
its international presentation and the value of its
34
00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:23.680
stock listed on the New York Stock
Exchange. The report has been handled with
35
00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:30.000
total hermetism. However, in fulfilment
of the journalistic duty, the report has
36
00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:36.080
spoken to three people who have had
access to the document. They say the
37
00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:44.000
paper confirms that situations involving Dr Reo
constitute a considerable risk to the company.
38
00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:52.719
For this reason, it proposes several
scenarios that, according to one of the
39
00:03:53.479 --> 00:04:00.599
sources, include the evaluation of a
possible temporary or definitive withdrawal of the president
40
00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:06.000
of Copetrol, possessed less than a
year ago, and also calls for transparency
41
00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:12.960
in the management of the country'
s main company. All this comes afloat
42
00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.160
forty- eight hours before the Assembly
of Shareholders, where the holders of Copetle
43
00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:24.279
' s titles will have the right
to demonstrate. The company belongs mostly to
44
00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:29.079
the nation, that is, to
Colombian taxpayers, in a percentage greater than
45
00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:33.879
eighty- five percent, but also
in smaller proportions to private pension funds and
46
00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:41.279
individuals ranging from very well- off
people to ordinary Colombians who have bought one
47
00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:47.560
or a few shares in the hope
that it will be valued. One of
48
00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:54.360
those very small but well- informed
shareholders is former Senator Jorge Enrique Robledo,
49
00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:59.600
who for decades was one of the
most prominent legislators in political control and now
50
00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:06.120
wants to use that experience to ask
uncomfortable questions in the Assembly, about everything
51
00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:13.839
that has been happening in ecopeton.
Dr Jorge Enrique Robledo, good morning,
52
00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.560
very good morning, very good morning, Daniel, and the Board of Directors
53
00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:24.279
also forgive me this work too.
Greetings. I understand that you are already
54
00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:28.160
preparing to ask the Board of Directors, Dr Robledo, first of all to
55
00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.519
resolve a curiosity to me. You
were already a shareholder of Copetrol from before
56
00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:35.480
or bought shares now to be able
to speak in this Assembly, which paints
57
00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:39.399
you as the most complicated in the
Company' s history to remember this.
58
00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.759
I spent twenty years on the Commission
that the Senate, which is that of
59
00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.199
Oil and Environmental Affairs, etcetera,
enters. So this is an issue that
60
00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.279
I am passionate about and with all
the horrors that are happening in this government,
61
00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:55.199
which includes having a President of the
Republic who hates oil Di el Gásquez
62
00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:59.759
wants phobia the only President of the
world who is in that attitude. For
63
00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.560
the conclusion that I had to buy
a few shares in order to go to
64
00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:08.560
the Assembly and to be able to
make requests as a shareholder, because the
65
00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.519
requests that one makes to the top
copetrola the Presidency coped as a citizen,
66
00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.000
they answer them badly or they do
not answer them. So what I am
67
00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.759
doing not later, of course,
a business, but to continue to do
68
00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:23.720
here with the duty that has imposed
upon me many years ago to act with
69
00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.879
the logic of a public servant.
So I bought a few shares and we
70
00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:32.639
' re forming a group of Copethol
shareholders that we' re going to become
71
00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.639
a watchdog before what happens in that
company, in addition to what Congress can
72
00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.319
do. For example, I know
that there was a right of petition in
73
00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.040
February asking for information from a Senator
of the Republic and they have not answered
74
00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:44.759
it. That' s not the
way it can be. So, let
75
00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:47.680
' s go get that company'
s information. The truth is that it
76
00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:53.560
is difficult for those subsidiaries to provide
him with a right of petition. I
77
00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:58.319
' ve been broadcasting for a year
and I' ve been given back and
78
00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.199
I' ve earned your fabrics and
then I' ve lost them in second
79
00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.519
istaria and anyway, it' s
not possible for them to answer me a
80
00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:05.480
right of petition about Copetrol' s
business. But, well, that'
81
00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:11.839
s another topic. What do you
know about the enigmatic report by Control Riffs
82
00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.439
on the risks Ecopetrol faces in situations
involving its President? Yeah, that'
83
00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.680
s a report because I understand no, no, it' s not published.
84
00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.319
I don' t know him.
I have to say it very clearly.
85
00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.560
The editorial of the time a few
days ago already mentioned it. But
86
00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.800
there are things that go knowing and
it goes knowing from the start. That
87
00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.680
' s what you point out,
that you point Daniel out no, and
88
00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.839
that' s that there' s
such a critical one. The report on
89
00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:43.800
Dr Roa' s exploits which he
proposes as a need for the company to
90
00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:50.879
look carefully, a temporary or total
withdrawal from the President of Copetrol. That
91
00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.959
is already a fact, because of
English aggravations. It is a report of
92
00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.839
more than a hundred pages, which
goes into a lot of detail. But
93
00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.120
finally, what I think would have
to be done is a campaign right now
94
00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:07.439
to be published and I say it
as a Colombian and as a shareholder,
95
00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.360
Copetón' s demand to publish on
that sensor, to be handed over to
96
00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:16.000
the media, to be handed over
to all Colombians so that we can go
97
00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.920
into detail. But how will things
be so serious you mention, that you
98
00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.560
draw conclusions as you are now.
But it' s not surprising to me
99
00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:30.279
Daniel, because he looks at the
single errors of cavalry, with the corruption
100
00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:35.000
of Dr Roa when he was president
of the Bogotá energy company, in a
101
00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:41.759
crooked and massive company in Guatemala,
of a subsidiary company in which he acted
102
00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.039
as alcahueta. When this matter became
known, that only enabled him to be
103
00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.759
Copetrol' s President, because that
is not a resume. Look at the
104
00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.039
entanglements in which Petro' s presidential
campaign is still in. There may be
105
00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:58.000
some very serious things in this regard
about the financing of that campaign. Well
106
00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:03.679
from the outset, it seems that
the reports of the contributions of Mr and
107
00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.879
Clides Torres to the campaign, which
Gustavo Petro' s own son says are
108
00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:11.879
true, do not appear. That' s not appearing in the campaign figures.
109
00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:18.399
And so Dr Torres already has contracts
with alternative energy business for$ 180
110
00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:24.879
billion. Well, what' s
going on with the board of directors and
111
00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.759
what they want to do is they
want to impose a board of directors in
112
00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:33.279
which several of their members have no
merit to become members of that board,
113
00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.360
beyond saying that they are recommended from
but and that they are friends of Peto.
114
00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.720
And in that, with the pimps
or the support of the Minister of
115
00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.759
Finance himself, then they' re
handling the competition I said it in some
116
00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.080
detail as if it were a shop
owned by Dr. Gustavo Petro, of
117
00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.120
the Minister of Finance, yes,
of the doctor' s doctor to how
118
00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:56.480
about the exploits, when seraphim yacono
have two members of the board of directors,
119
00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.039
the only ones that are supporting the
doctor at this moment. The current
120
00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.039
members of the board of directors are
two who, in addition, are shareholders
121
00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.159
of a company of seraphim yacono of
the oil world. It can' t
122
00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.519
be that this is a respect,
a respect that is being given to Colombians
123
00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.120
with these behaviors. So I'
m surprised, and I' m convinced
124
00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:22.200
from here that this report, that
firmoconsol riche, has to tell a lot
125
00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.399
of stories, because they have to
be very serious, because if I,
126
00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.720
that I am not a researcher,
if I am not a researcher, I
127
00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:37.879
know about these things, imagine what
those who have access to more information will
128
00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:43.279
know. But, in addition to
the relays in the board of directors,
129
00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:50.480
next Friday' s Assembly proposes amendments
to the statutes of co- petroleum.
130
00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:56.200
You have concerns about these statutory changes. Yes, that may be the most
131
00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.960
serious thing of all is that let' s remember that Dr Petro has a
132
00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.919
phobia that he' s trolling and
gas. It is, I repeat,
133
00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:11.320
the only president of the oil country
in the world who practically strangled the new
134
00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:15.159
explorations to find oil and gas,
which means that we are going to run
135
00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.639
out of oil and gas. I
give listeners a fact that is very simple
136
00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.279
to understand the importance of gas.
In the last of the oil forgiveness.
137
00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:28.960
Over the past three years, Colombia' s oil exports have added forty-
138
00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:35.240
six million dollars. If the economy
of copetrol and oil collapses in Colombia,
139
00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.000
as can happen because of the irresponsible
attitude of President Gustavo Petro and of Supplies
140
00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:45.720
and the President of the Copetor.
There can be an economic catastrophe and what
141
00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.759
happens in the statutes. It includes
at one point forgiveness in the Assembly,
142
00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.000
they include a point to modify the
statutes by putting copetrol into a whole kind
143
00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.879
of alternative energy business. And I
don' t get that there' s
144
00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:01.799
generally alternative energy and there' s
climate change. Some things need to be
145
00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.919
taken care of, but a very
large part of those businesses are very high
146
00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:13.919
- risk businesses, such as meth
and oil in hydrogen business, which is
147
00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.759
an absolutely new technology. It'
s a very complicated thing. The competitioner
148
00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:24.559
has no resources, then what happens
if the copetor gets it in that crazy
149
00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.759
way, as Petro wants in the
business of alternative energies and that they are
150
00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.440
cagoeteing steals it, because what they
can end up breaking the company at least
151
00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.840
leading it to an immense crisis,
besides that they are turning it into a
152
00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:41.320
center of politics and assistance and clientelism. So what we' re going to
153
00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:45.200
raise in the Board of Directors is
two things, because it' s one
154
00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:48.159
thing that is delayed in decisions at
least until we get serious studies, because
155
00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.240
they also lead us to vote like
blind hooks. There is no serious report
156
00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.480
on the new members of the Board
of Directors to justify because they have to
157
00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:00.879
be there. It' s just
there. I' m sure there are
158
00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:05.679
candidates who can' t read or
balance people who have zero experience in economic
159
00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:11.120
and oil matters. It can'
t be me I understand Petro putting friends
160
00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.919
with him, supporters of him,
but he has to put them among those
161
00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.799
who know, that is, the
doctor. Petro cannot continue to turn ignorance
162
00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:18.440
into a virtue, which is one
of the things they have us doing,
163
00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.399
because it is with the silver of
the Colombians who are playing. That is
164
00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:31.159
a particularly serious fact which then tells
us to postpone that change of board of
165
00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.600
directors as there is no condition.
Well, it' s being handled in
166
00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.879
the illegality, let' s say, or the irregularity. But good that
167
00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:43.039
if you postpone that decision, while
this is discussed with tranquility and particularly that
168
00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.440
the decision of the Board, of
the change of statutes of the Board,
169
00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:50.759
is postponed, so that we do
not get involved in the economic adventures.
170
00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:54.440
And I think that, as things
go, we need to discuss the resignation
171
00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.919
of the Copetro President. I believe
that this has to be a debate that
172
00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.879
must be placed on the agenda so
that we can have an opinion on whether
173
00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.519
Dr Roa should submit his resignation,
because these things that are being heard are
174
00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.120
entitled to be raised by the actions
taken. Then there is going to be
175
00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.600
an Assembly where we are going to
talk with everything, with everything, with
176
00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.759
all frankness, as it has to
be. The fact that the national government
177
00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.200
has ninety percent of the shares does
not give it the right to run over
178
00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:24.480
two hundred and sixty thousand shareholders who
have private shares there, nor to run
179
00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.440
over twelve million Colombians who have their
savings in private pension funds that are Copetro
180
00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.799
shareholders. A. That is what
we are going to give the House.
181
00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:39.159
In the last few hours, colleague
Jorge Espinosa de Caracol revealed that Néstor Camilo
182
00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.919
MartÃnez, the son of Néestor Huberto
MartÃnez, is advising Copetro' s president,
183
00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.360
Ricardo Roa on the replacement of the
board of directors. Few people have
184
00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:54.320
taken as badly as President Gustavo Petro
and destr Humberto MartÃnez. You explain how
185
00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.240
the president of Copetrole, so close
to Petro, has as his advisor the
186
00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.320
son of Estor, Humberto, Dr
Roble. So I had a relative who
187
00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.960
said that there were people who were
able to do anything, anything, and
188
00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.720
I' m coming to the conclusion
that among those is Dr Gustavo Pecho,
189
00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.399
because it' s that Copetrol ends
up hiring Néstor Camilo MartÃnez, that is,
190
00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.679
Nestor Humberto MartÃnez' s son,
and I' m convinced that it
191
00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:24.279
' s Nestor Humberto' s firm
that he' s representing. Yes,
192
00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:28.799
because what he has right now is
from lh Piper MartÃnez Beltrán, and that
193
00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.799
firm was created by Nestor Humberto a
few years ago and was by the same
194
00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.480
name. But instead of Martinez Beltrán, it was Martinez. Naije then ends
195
00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.120
up with oil hiring last or through
his son with Néstor Humberto MartÃnez, as
196
00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:48.440
it is a thing like almost incredible. I suppose even the furrifying Petrists will
197
00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.960
be very strikingly impressed. And I' m not surprised then that the concept
198
00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.960
of the destor Néstor Camilo MartÃnez,
is to tell Copetrol not fresh, that
199
00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.159
is, here we go, we
are shooting while he arrives at the order
200
00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:03.840
of Bogotá, as they said of
General Masa, because what he is telling
201
00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.480
him is that yes, it is
that things there regulation. But, well,
202
00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.200
that' s settled by paying a
lot. Let' s not worry,
203
00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.279
not how they can be running a
company of this caliber, of that
204
00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:19.559
one, that way a thousand Thanks
to former owner Jorge Rique Robredo, He
205
00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:25.720
and other small shareholders of Copetrol are
preparing a letter to send it to the
206
00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.159
president of the company today. I
hope the Colombians can know more about what
207
00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.759
' s going on in Ecopetón,
which has become so opacious. Well,
208
00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:37.519
there' s a bonus track as
stealthily as in Ecopetrol. The prosecutor delegated
209
00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.960
to the Supreme Court of Justice Gilberto
Villarreal, who conducts the case against former
210
00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:48.159
President Alvaro Uribe, for bribery of
witnesses and procedural fraud I quote to testify
211
00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:53.919
yesterday Tuesday Alex Cabecilla for military rescue
Mancuso, prosecutor Villarreal, who received this
212
00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:59.720
task from Attorney General Francisco Barbosa,
only told the representatives of the victims on
213
00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.559
Monday afternoon, when there were a
few hours left for the investigation. Several
214
00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:07.400
of them were unable to attend the
last- minute summons of prosecutor Villarreal,
215
00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.880
who, like his predecessors, seems
another member of the former president' s
216
00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:18.400
defense and not his accuser. However, the play went wrong again. The
217
00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:23.079
appointment was so last minute that Mancuso
was not able to be ready to attend
218
00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:26.240
to it. As a result,
it was set for another day. On
219
00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:33.200
that date, all parties will be
able to attend, including victims who have
220
00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.640
interesting questions for Salvatore Mancuso. This
was today' s Colonel report. Thank
221
00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:37.960
you very much.
1
00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:08.839
At the WU. Colonel' s
report has the findings of the assessment against
2
00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:20.160
Risk Control. Companies hire corporate intelligence
experts to know what impact a decision,
3
00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:27.280
an appointment, a conduct, a
complaint can have, what impact it can
4
00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:31.760
have on the company and, most
importantly, on its stock market value,
5
00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:39.560
Daniel, what RIZK control brings in
the July Colonel Good Days report. This
6
00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:44.479
is today' s Colonel report.
This last Friday, tomorrow will be the
7
00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:49.159
Shareholders' Assembly of Copetrol and from
now it is previewed that it will be
8
00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:53.600
to rent balcony. President Petro is
pushing for the change of the Board of
9
00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:59.119
Directors, in which five of the
nine members will be replaced by people close
10
00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:03.520
to the Government. The plate,
that is, the proposed list of directors
11
00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:08.079
to be published on March 1st only
appeared this week on Copetrol' s official
12
00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:15.439
page, thereby violating the shareholders'
right of inspection. Moreover, seven members
13
00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:23.560
of the outgoing board of directors questioned
the professional competence of the new directors to
14
00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:30.359
be part of the largest company in
Colombia. That would be enough. But
15
00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:36.560
what causes the most concern within COPETL
is the conclusion of a report on the
16
00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:42.319
company' s risks. The existence
of that report had even been denied a
17
00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.480
few days ago by members of the
administration. The truth is, it does
18
00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:51.560
exist. It is highly confidential and
has been kept secret so far. It
19
00:01:51.599 --> 00:02:00.560
was prepared by the British multinational consultant
against the RESC expert in corporate institutional intelligence
20
00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:05.079
and risk management. The company,
one of the most prestigious in the world
21
00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:09.919
in its field, did an investigation
and evaluation of the risk of coperroll due
22
00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:14.159
to the circumstances that have surrounded the
president of the company, Ricardo Roa,
23
00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.599
and that have to do with it. First, with the purchase of an
24
00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:22.479
apartment by him at the price of
Ganga, Mr Serafino and aconus entrepreneur with
25
00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:30.639
interest in the hydrocarbon sector. Second, with the investigation of Dr Roa for
26
00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:37.719
alleged and regularity in the financing of
the election campaign of President Gustavo Petro that
27
00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:43.280
includes contributions from two unions, the
Colombian Federation educator Es FECODE and the Trade
28
00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:50.360
Union of Copetrol, the Union trade
union Obrera Uso and, third, the
29
00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:54.879
short but existing contracts of public entities
granted to the permanent partner of the President
30
00:02:54.960 --> 00:03:00.360
of Copetrol, Mr Julián Caicedo.
These and some other issues would be discussed
31
00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:06.319
in the Audit and Risk Committee of
the Board of Directors of Copetrol, which
32
00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.800
decided to hire multinational Control Rick to
assess whether these situations involving Dr Roa may
33
00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:17.719
affect the future of the company,
its international presentation and the value of its
34
00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:23.680
stock listed on the New York Stock
Exchange. The report has been handled with
35
00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:30.000
total hermetism. However, in fulfilment
of the journalistic duty, the report has
36
00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:36.080
spoken to three people who have had
access to the document. They say the
37
00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:44.000
paper confirms that situations involving Dr Reo
constitute a considerable risk to the company.
38
00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:52.719
For this reason, it proposes several
scenarios that, according to one of the
39
00:03:53.479 --> 00:04:00.599
sources, include the evaluation of a
possible temporary or definitive withdrawal of the president
40
00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:06.000
of Copetrol, possessed less than a
year ago, and also calls for transparency
41
00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:12.960
in the management of the country'
s main company. All this comes afloat
42
00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.160
forty- eight hours before the Assembly
of Shareholders, where the holders of Copetle
43
00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:24.279
' s titles will have the right
to demonstrate. The company belongs mostly to
44
00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:29.079
the nation, that is, to
Colombian taxpayers, in a percentage greater than
45
00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:33.879
eighty- five percent, but also
in smaller proportions to private pension funds and
46
00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:41.279
individuals ranging from very well- off
people to ordinary Colombians who have bought one
47
00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:47.560
or a few shares in the hope
that it will be valued. One of
48
00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:54.360
those very small but well- informed
shareholders is former Senator Jorge Enrique Robledo,
49
00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:59.600
who for decades was one of the
most prominent legislators in political control and now
50
00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:06.120
wants to use that experience to ask
uncomfortable questions in the Assembly, about everything
51
00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:13.839
that has been happening in ecopeton.
Dr Jorge Enrique Robledo, good morning,
52
00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.560
very good morning, very good morning, Daniel, and the Board of Directors
53
00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:24.279
also forgive me this work too.
Greetings. I understand that you are already
54
00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:28.160
preparing to ask the Board of Directors, Dr Robledo, first of all to
55
00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.519
resolve a curiosity to me. You
were already a shareholder of Copetrol from before
56
00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:35.480
or bought shares now to be able
to speak in this Assembly, which paints
57
00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:39.399
you as the most complicated in the
Company' s history to remember this.
58
00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.759
I spent twenty years on the Commission
that the Senate, which is that of
59
00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.199
Oil and Environmental Affairs, etcetera,
enters. So this is an issue that
60
00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.279
I am passionate about and with all
the horrors that are happening in this government,
61
00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:55.199
which includes having a President of the
Republic who hates oil Di el Gásquez
62
00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:59.759
wants phobia the only President of the
world who is in that attitude. For
63
00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.560
the conclusion that I had to buy
a few shares in order to go to
64
00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:08.560
the Assembly and to be able to
make requests as a shareholder, because the
65
00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.519
requests that one makes to the top
copetrola the Presidency coped as a citizen,
66
00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.000
they answer them badly or they do
not answer them. So what I am
67
00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.759
doing not later, of course,
a business, but to continue to do
68
00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:23.720
here with the duty that has imposed
upon me many years ago to act with
69
00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.879
the logic of a public servant.
So I bought a few shares and we
70
00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:32.639
' re forming a group of Copethol
shareholders that we' re going to become
71
00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.639
a watchdog before what happens in that
company, in addition to what Congress can
72
00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.319
do. For example, I know
that there was a right of petition in
73
00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.040
February asking for information from a Senator
of the Republic and they have not answered
74
00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:44.759
it. That' s not the
way it can be. So, let
75
00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:47.680
' s go get that company'
s information. The truth is that it
76
00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:53.560
is difficult for those subsidiaries to provide
him with a right of petition. I
77
00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:58.319
' ve been broadcasting for a year
and I' ve been given back and
78
00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.199
I' ve earned your fabrics and
then I' ve lost them in second
79
00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.519
istaria and anyway, it' s
not possible for them to answer me a
80
00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:05.480
right of petition about Copetrol' s
business. But, well, that'
81
00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:11.839
s another topic. What do you
know about the enigmatic report by Control Riffs
82
00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.439
on the risks Ecopetrol faces in situations
involving its President? Yeah, that'
83
00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.680
s a report because I understand no, no, it' s not published.
84
00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.319
I don' t know him.
I have to say it very clearly.
85
00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.560
The editorial of the time a few
days ago already mentioned it. But
86
00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.800
there are things that go knowing and
it goes knowing from the start. That
87
00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.680
' s what you point out,
that you point Daniel out no, and
88
00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.839
that' s that there' s
such a critical one. The report on
89
00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:43.800
Dr Roa' s exploits which he
proposes as a need for the company to
90
00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:50.879
look carefully, a temporary or total
withdrawal from the President of Copetrol. That
91
00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.959
is already a fact, because of
English aggravations. It is a report of
92
00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.839
more than a hundred pages, which
goes into a lot of detail. But
93
00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.120
finally, what I think would have
to be done is a campaign right now
94
00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:07.439
to be published and I say it
as a Colombian and as a shareholder,
95
00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.360
Copetón' s demand to publish on
that sensor, to be handed over to
96
00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:16.000
the media, to be handed over
to all Colombians so that we can go
97
00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.920
into detail. But how will things
be so serious you mention, that you
98
00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.560
draw conclusions as you are now.
But it' s not surprising to me
99
00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:30.279
Daniel, because he looks at the
single errors of cavalry, with the corruption
100
00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:35.000
of Dr Roa when he was president
of the Bogotá energy company, in a
101
00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:41.759
crooked and massive company in Guatemala,
of a subsidiary company in which he acted
102
00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.039
as alcahueta. When this matter became
known, that only enabled him to be
103
00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.759
Copetrol' s President, because that
is not a resume. Look at the
104
00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.039
entanglements in which Petro' s presidential
campaign is still in. There may be
105
00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:58.000
some very serious things in this regard
about the financing of that campaign. Well
106
00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:03.679
from the outset, it seems that
the reports of the contributions of Mr and
107
00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.879
Clides Torres to the campaign, which
Gustavo Petro' s own son says are
108
00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:11.879
true, do not appear. That' s not appearing in the campaign figures.
109
00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:18.399
And so Dr Torres already has contracts
with alternative energy business for$ 180
110
00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:24.879
billion. Well, what' s
going on with the board of directors and
111
00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.759
what they want to do is they
want to impose a board of directors in
112
00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:33.279
which several of their members have no
merit to become members of that board,
113
00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.360
beyond saying that they are recommended from
but and that they are friends of Peto.
114
00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.720
And in that, with the pimps
or the support of the Minister of
115
00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.759
Finance himself, then they' re
handling the competition I said it in some
116
00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.080
detail as if it were a shop
owned by Dr. Gustavo Petro, of
117
00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.120
the Minister of Finance, yes,
of the doctor' s doctor to how
118
00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:56.480
about the exploits, when seraphim yacono
have two members of the board of directors,
119
00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.039
the only ones that are supporting the
doctor at this moment. The current
120
00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.039
members of the board of directors are
two who, in addition, are shareholders
121
00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:09.159
of a company of seraphim yacono of
the oil world. It can' t
122
00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.519
be that this is a respect,
a respect that is being given to Colombians
123
00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.120
with these behaviors. So I'
m surprised, and I' m convinced
124
00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:22.200
from here that this report, that
firmoconsol riche, has to tell a lot
125
00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.399
of stories, because they have to
be very serious, because if I,
126
00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.720
that I am not a researcher,
if I am not a researcher, I
127
00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:37.879
know about these things, imagine what
those who have access to more information will
128
00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:43.279
know. But, in addition to
the relays in the board of directors,
129
00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:50.480
next Friday' s Assembly proposes amendments
to the statutes of co- petroleum.
130
00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:56.200
You have concerns about these statutory changes. Yes, that may be the most
131
00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.960
serious thing of all is that let' s remember that Dr Petro has a
132
00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.919
phobia that he' s trolling and
gas. It is, I repeat,
133
00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:11.320
the only president of the oil country
in the world who practically strangled the new
134
00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:15.159
explorations to find oil and gas,
which means that we are going to run
135
00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.639
out of oil and gas. I
give listeners a fact that is very simple
136
00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.279
to understand the importance of gas.
In the last of the oil forgiveness.
137
00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:28.960
Over the past three years, Colombia' s oil exports have added forty-
138
00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:35.240
six million dollars. If the economy
of copetrol and oil collapses in Colombia,
139
00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.000
as can happen because of the irresponsible
attitude of President Gustavo Petro and of Supplies
140
00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:45.720
and the President of the Copetor.
There can be an economic catastrophe and what
141
00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.759
happens in the statutes. It includes
at one point forgiveness in the Assembly,
142
00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.000
they include a point to modify the
statutes by putting copetrol into a whole kind
143
00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.879
of alternative energy business. And I
don' t get that there' s
144
00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:01.799
generally alternative energy and there' s
climate change. Some things need to be
145
00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.919
taken care of, but a very
large part of those businesses are very high
146
00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:13.919
- risk businesses, such as meth
and oil in hydrogen business, which is
147
00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.759
an absolutely new technology. It'
s a very complicated thing. The competitioner
148
00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:24.559
has no resources, then what happens
if the copetor gets it in that crazy
149
00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.759
way, as Petro wants in the
business of alternative energies and that they are
150
00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.440
cagoeteing steals it, because what they
can end up breaking the company at least
151
00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.840
leading it to an immense crisis,
besides that they are turning it into a
152
00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:41.320
center of politics and assistance and clientelism. So what we' re going to
153
00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:45.200
raise in the Board of Directors is
two things, because it' s one
154
00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:48.159
thing that is delayed in decisions at
least until we get serious studies, because
155
00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.240
they also lead us to vote like
blind hooks. There is no serious report
156
00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.480
on the new members of the Board
of Directors to justify because they have to
157
00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:00.879
be there. It' s just
there. I' m sure there are
158
00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:05.679
candidates who can' t read or
balance people who have zero experience in economic
159
00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:11.120
and oil matters. It can'
t be me I understand Petro putting friends
160
00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.919
with him, supporters of him,
but he has to put them among those
161
00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.799
who know, that is, the
doctor. Petro cannot continue to turn ignorance
162
00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:18.440
into a virtue, which is one
of the things they have us doing,
163
00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.399
because it is with the silver of
the Colombians who are playing. That is
164
00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:31.159
a particularly serious fact which then tells
us to postpone that change of board of
165
00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.600
directors as there is no condition.
Well, it' s being handled in
166
00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.879
the illegality, let' s say, or the irregularity. But good that
167
00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:43.039
if you postpone that decision, while
this is discussed with tranquility and particularly that
168
00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.440
the decision of the Board, of
the change of statutes of the Board,
169
00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:50.759
is postponed, so that we do
not get involved in the economic adventures.
170
00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:54.440
And I think that, as things
go, we need to discuss the resignation
171
00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.919
of the Copetro President. I believe
that this has to be a debate that
172
00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.879
must be placed on the agenda so
that we can have an opinion on whether
173
00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.519
Dr Roa should submit his resignation,
because these things that are being heard are
174
00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.120
entitled to be raised by the actions
taken. Then there is going to be
175
00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.600
an Assembly where we are going to
talk with everything, with everything, with
176
00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:15.759
all frankness, as it has to
be. The fact that the national government
177
00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.200
has ninety percent of the shares does
not give it the right to run over
178
00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:24.480
two hundred and sixty thousand shareholders who
have private shares there, nor to run
179
00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.440
over twelve million Colombians who have their
savings in private pension funds that are Copetro
180
00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.799
shareholders. A. That is what
we are going to give the House.
181
00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:39.159
In the last few hours, colleague
Jorge Espinosa de Caracol revealed that Néstor Camilo
182
00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.919
MartÃnez, the son of Néestor Huberto
MartÃnez, is advising Copetro' s president,
183
00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.360
Ricardo Roa on the replacement of the
board of directors. Few people have
184
00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:54.320
taken as badly as President Gustavo Petro
and destr Humberto MartÃnez. You explain how
185
00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.240
the president of Copetrole, so close
to Petro, has as his advisor the
186
00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.320
son of Estor, Humberto, Dr
Roble. So I had a relative who
187
00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.960
said that there were people who were
able to do anything, anything, and
188
00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.720
I' m coming to the conclusion
that among those is Dr Gustavo Pecho,
189
00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.399
because it' s that Copetrol ends
up hiring Néstor Camilo MartÃnez, that is,
190
00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.679
Nestor Humberto MartÃnez' s son,
and I' m convinced that it
191
00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:24.279
' s Nestor Humberto' s firm
that he' s representing. Yes,
192
00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:28.799
because what he has right now is
from lh Piper MartÃnez Beltrán, and that
193
00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.799
firm was created by Nestor Humberto a
few years ago and was by the same
194
00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.480
name. But instead of Martinez Beltrán, it was Martinez. Naije then ends
195
00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.120
up with oil hiring last or through
his son with Néstor Humberto MartÃnez, as
196
00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:48.440
it is a thing like almost incredible. I suppose even the furrifying Petrists will
197
00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.960
be very strikingly impressed. And I' m not surprised then that the concept
198
00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.960
of the destor Néstor Camilo MartÃnez,
is to tell Copetrol not fresh, that
199
00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.159
is, here we go, we
are shooting while he arrives at the order
200
00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:03.840
of Bogotá, as they said of
General Masa, because what he is telling
201
00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.480
him is that yes, it is
that things there regulation. But, well,
202
00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.200
that' s settled by paying a
lot. Let' s not worry,
203
00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.279
not how they can be running a
company of this caliber, of that
204
00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:19.559
one, that way a thousand Thanks
to former owner Jorge Rique Robredo, He
205
00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:25.720
and other small shareholders of Copetrol are
preparing a letter to send it to the
206
00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:29.159
president of the company today. I
hope the Colombians can know more about what
207
00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.759
' s going on in Ecopetón,
which has become so opacious. Well,
208
00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:37.519
there' s a bonus track as
stealthily as in Ecopetrol. The prosecutor delegated
209
00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.960
to the Supreme Court of Justice Gilberto
Villarreal, who conducts the case against former
210
00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:48.159
President Alvaro Uribe, for bribery of
witnesses and procedural fraud I quote to testify
211
00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:53.919
yesterday Tuesday Alex Cabecilla for military rescue
Mancuso, prosecutor Villarreal, who received this
212
00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:59.720
task from Attorney General Francisco Barbosa,
only told the representatives of the victims on
213
00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.559
Monday afternoon, when there were a
few hours left for the investigation. Several
214
00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:07.400
of them were unable to attend the
last- minute summons of prosecutor Villarreal,
215
00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.880
who, like his predecessors, seems
another member of the former president' s
216
00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:18.400
defense and not his accuser. However, the play went wrong again. The
217
00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:23.079
appointment was so last minute that Mancuso
was not able to be ready to attend
218
00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:26.240
to it. As a result,
it was set for another day. On
219
00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:33.200
that date, all parties will be
able to attend, including victims who have
220
00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.640
interesting questions for Salvatore Mancuso. This
was today' s Colonel report. Thank
221
00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:37.960
you very much.



