June 12, 2024
Ecopetrol tuvo una responsabilidad enorme en la financiación de las Autodefensas: Mancuso
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Thank you so much. Julio.
I would like to ask Mr Mancuso several
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things before I fire him. Ecopetrol
is the main company in Colombia. Ecopetrol
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belongs to more than eighty percent of
the Colombians, to all the taxpayers and
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it turns out that you have said
that with funds from Copetrol the paramilitaries were
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also financed that Copetrol' s directives
at some time facilitated that money from the
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country' s main company came to
finance these criminal activities of the self-
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defense groups you can tell us about
that, Mr Mancuso, to see Ecopetrol,
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indeed, had a responsibility in the
financing that we had the self-
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defenses at that time. Different types
of hydrocarbons, gasoline, EPM, etc
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pass through the polyduct. And they
gave us the schedule in which they were
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to be transported moved. So they
were going to move this whole series of
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hydrocarbons at the hours they were injecting
through the polyduct, and they had sensors,
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plus he let them know from which
sectors he was extracting the hydrocarbons.
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We were allowed to extract. We
used the listings, we knew what kind
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of fuel they were mobilizing at the
time. And besides that, there were
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dyes, for example, for the
gasoline that Eco petróle delivered to us so
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that they could be sold legally to
the service stations. So Eco Petrol had
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a responsibility to finance that of the
self- defense forces. That' s
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true. Daniel, how high was
the level of decision within Copetrol about this
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collaboration with self- defense groups.
We are talking about engineers or watchmen in
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the areas where the polyduct was passing, or it was higher that it reached
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this collaboration. Sorry, I'
m sorry I cut in. I didn
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' t understand him and they repeated
to me if I asked, Mr Mancuso
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if Copetrol' s senior management was
aware of this collaboration, of the country
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' s main company with the criminal
operations of the so- called self-
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defenses. I don' t know.
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Thank you so much. Julio.
I would like to ask Mr Mancuso several
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things before I fire him. Ecopetrol
is the main company in Colombia. Ecopetrol
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00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:21.640
belongs to more than eighty percent of
the Colombians, to all the taxpayers and
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00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:29.800
it turns out that you have said
that with funds from Copetrol the paramilitaries were
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00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:39.640
also financed that Copetrol' s directives
at some time facilitated that money from the
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00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:45.399
country' s main company came to
finance these criminal activities of the self-
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00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:54.039
defense groups you can tell us about
that, Mr Mancuso, to see Ecopetrol,
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00:00:54.079 --> 00:01:00.920
indeed, had a responsibility in the
financing that we had the self-
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00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:06.760
defenses at that time. Different types
of hydrocarbons, gasoline, EPM, etc
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00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:11.760
pass through the polyduct. And they
gave us the schedule in which they were
11
00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:19.879
to be transported moved. So they
were going to move this whole series of
12
00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:26.799
hydrocarbons at the hours they were injecting
through the polyduct, and they had sensors,
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00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:30.760
plus he let them know from which
sectors he was extracting the hydrocarbons.
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00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:38.200
We were allowed to extract. We
used the listings, we knew what kind
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of fuel they were mobilizing at the
time. And besides that, there were
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dyes, for example, for the
gasoline that Eco petróle delivered to us so
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that they could be sold legally to
the service stations. So Eco Petrol had
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a responsibility to finance that of the
self- defense forces. That' s
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true. Daniel, how high was
the level of decision within Copetrol about this
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00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:15.159
collaboration with self- defense groups.
We are talking about engineers or watchmen in
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the areas where the polyduct was passing, or it was higher that it reached
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this collaboration. Sorry, I'
m sorry I cut in. I didn
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' t understand him and they repeated
to me if I asked, Mr Mancuso
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if Copetrol' s senior management was
aware of this collaboration, of the country
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' s main company with the criminal
operations of the so- called self-
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defenses. I don' t know.
