Ecopetrol tuvo una responsabilidad enorme en la financiación de las Autodefensas: Mancuso

0:01 Thank you so much. Julio. I would like to ask Mr Mancuso several things before I fire him. Ecopetrol is the main company in Colombia. Ecopetrol belongs to more than eighty percent of the Colombians, to all the taxpayers and it turns out that you have said that with funds from Copetrol the paramilitaries were also financed that Copetrol' s directives at some time facilitated that money from the country' s main company came to finance these criminal activities of the self- defense groups you can tell us about that, Mr Mancuso, to see Ecopetrol, indeed, had a responsibility in the financing that we had the self- defenses at that time. Different types of hydrocarbons, gasoline, EPM, etc pass through the polyduct. And they gave us the schedule in which they were to be transported moved. So they were going to move this whole series of hydrocarbons at the hours they were injecting through the polyduct, and they had sensors, plus he let them know from which sectors he was extracting the hydrocarbons.

1:33 We were allowed to extract. We used the listings, we knew what kind of fuel they were mobilizing at the time. And besides that, there were dyes, for example, for the gasoline that Eco petróle delivered to us so that they could be sold legally to the service stations. So Eco Petrol had a responsibility to finance that of the self- defense forces. That' s true. Daniel, how high was the level of decision within Copetrol about this collaboration with self- defense groups. We are talking about engineers or watchmen in the areas where the polyduct was passing, or it was higher that it reached this collaboration. Sorry, I' m sorry I cut in. I didn ' t understand him and they repeated to me if I asked, Mr Mancuso if Copetrol' s senior management was aware of this collaboration, of the country ' s main company with the criminal operations of the so- called self- defenses. I don' t know.